========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:34:53 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Katz Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <3b9998b0909300928v23effb15udea4b4c00402d538@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > What if one took the annoyed response to > Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted Not to answer this question one way or another, but to point out that, were this reaction what he was going for, that still doesn't make it a "good" thing to have gone for. It may very well be, though. a ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:10:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Well said Bobby. You sum it up succinctly. On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:28:05 -0700, Bobby Baird=20 wrote: >It's interesting, Jonathan, that you'd defend Goldsmith's DAY (and >dismiss Johnson's DAY) in the name of originality ("produced a rich >text, replete with previously dormant meaning"), when this is the >regime of value that Goldsmith explicitly and repeatedly rejects. (See >Goldsmith, internet, passim.) I presume that you, like many other >people, accept that rejection as a pose, a mere mockery of public >modesty, even though Goldsmith, apparently, does not see it that=20 way. >("In fact, every time I have to proofread [my books] before sending >them off to the publisher, I fall asleep repeatedly. You really don't >need to read my books to get the idea of what they're like; you just >need to know the general concept.") > >Or maybe you take Goldsmith's word for it that "In conceptual writing >the idea or concept is the most important aspect of the work. When an >author uses a conceptual form of writing, it means that all of the >planning and decisions are made beforehand and the execution is a >perfunctory affair." If that's the case, then tell me, please, what >makes Goldsmith's idea interesting? Given that the same idea has=20 been >had, and executed, by thousands of others, including Richard Prince, >Sherri Levine, and anyone who's "written" a found poem, why should=20 we >see Goldsmith's project as any more or any less interesting than >Johnson's? > >But here's a thought: what if the dismissal of Kent's DAY as >"superficially interesting" was exactly the point of his project? I >don't say that it is; Kent can speak to that (or could, if he weren't >banned from this list, though I'm sure he'll find a way to participate >somehow). But what if? What if one took the annoyed response to >Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted, since it proved the >fact--which you may take to be obvious, but which no one seems=20 willing >to publicly acknowledge--that there is a bright line between the kind >of people whose uncreative writing allows them to reap every reward >the culture industry has to offer=97publication, glossy magazine >interviews, fellowships and tenured academic positions--and those >whose *identical* uncreative writing gets them shunned as wannabes? >And what if that bright line has nothing to do with the work, or the >ideas behind the work, and everything to do with the fact that one has >gone to the right schools, lived in the right cities, and licked the >right boots? I think you'd have to admit that it's a superficially >interesting thought, at the very least. > >Bobby > > >++++++++ > >Bobby Baird >bobby.baird@gmail.com >http://www.digitalemunction.com > > > >On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Jonathan Ball=20 wrote: >> I presume the "blurbs" in support of Johnson's book are also=20 appropriated or >> fabricated. This is a clever joke, but I don't see how it is=20 conceptually >> interesting. Unlike Goldsmith's DAY, which recontextualized text in=20= an >> "uncreative" gesture (a Duchampian raising of "journalistic" prose=20 into the >> realm of poetry), and thus produced a rich text, replete with=20 previously >> dormant meaning, Johnson's DAY does little more than repeat the=20 gesture, and >> thus the only significance it seems to hold is to question the=20 validity of >> assigning such a work to any single, particular author, something=20 already >> implicit in Goldsmith's project and only superficially interesting in=20= the >> first place. >> >> --- Jonathan Ball >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20= guidelines & sub/unsub info:=20 http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20 guidelines & sub/unsub info:=20 http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:47:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Heller Subject: Fwd: Replacement of garbled announcement--hope this is clearer. Apologies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> >> >> >>=A5 P R O S E P R O S =A5 >>hosted by Martha King & Elinor Nauen >> >> >>New venue! SIDEWALK CAF=C9 New venue! >>Thursday, October 8, 2009 >>6:30 [boldly prompt!] to 8:30 p.m. >>94 Avenue A at 6th Street >>212-473-7373 >>V or F train to Second Avenue stop (get off at=20 >>the front of the train at 1st Ave) >> >> >>Ekphrastic - Elastic - Fantastic >> >> >>Basil King =96 painter, poet. His recent books=20 >>are 77 Beasts: Basil King=92s Beastiary, mirage:=20 >>a poem in 22 sections, and the chapbooks Twin=20 >>Towers and In the Fields Where Daffodils Grow=20 >>(both from his on-going project Learning to=20 >>Draw/A history). Baz may be the only living=20 >>person to have studied writing with Charles=20 >>Olson, Robert Duncan and Robert Creeley: the=20 >>result is sui generis. See spdbooks.org for titles. >>Michael Heller =96 poet, essayist and critic. His=20 >>recent books are Eschaton, a collection of=20 >>poems and Marble Snows: Two Novellas. His=20 >>fascinating Beckmann Variations (as in Max=20 >>Beckmann) is forthcoming in 2010. Look for his=20 >>books at saltpublishing.com,=20 >>thing.net/~grist/ld/heller.htm or at good=20 >>bookstores. Mike has also collaborated with the=20 >>composer Ellen Fishman Johnson. >>* * * The reading takes place in the welcoming=20 >>backroom of the Sidewalk Cafe, famed for really=20 >>great hamburgers, plus vegetarian fare (mmm, panini!) and all beverages. *= * * >>Eat! Drink! Tip! >>We don=92t charge a cover, but we do pass the=20 >>hat. All proceeds go to the readers. >>For more information or to be added to (or=20 >>dropped from) the e-mail list, contact=20 >>gpwitd@aol.com or=20 >>Elinor@ElinorNauen.com >>NEXT Up, Thursday November 5: Joyce Johnson and pj borum. >> >> >> >>Eschaton (new poems) Talisman House Publishers=20 >>(2009) available at SPD, Greenfield=20 >>Distribution (www.gfibooks.com ), www.=20 >>amazon.com and good bookstores. Two Novellas:=20 >>Marble Snows & The Study (ahadada press 2009)=20 >>available from SPD, amazon.com and from=20 >>ahadadpress at=20 >>http://www.ahadadabooks.com/content/view/162/41/=20 >>. Speaking The Estranged: Essays on the Work of=20 >>George Oppen (2008); Uncertain Poetries: Essays=20 >>on Poets, Poetry and Poetics (2005) and Exigent=20 >>Futures: New and Selected Poems (2003)=20 >>available at www.saltpublishing.com, amazon.com=20 >>and good bookstores. Survey of work at=20 >>http://www.thing.net/~grist/ld/heller.htm=20 >>Collaborations with the composer Ellen Fishman=20 >>Johnson at=20 >>http://www.efjcomposer.com/EFJ/Collaborations.html=20 >>Recordings at http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Heller.html > >Eschaton (new poems) Talisman House Publishers=20 >(2009) available at SPD, Greenfield Distribution=20 >(www.gfibooks.com), www. amazon.com and good=20 >bookstores. Two Novellas: Marble Snows & The=20 >Study (ahadada press 2009) available from SPD,=20 >amazon.com and from ahadadpress at=20 >http://www.ahadadabooks.com/content/view/162/41/.=20 > Speaking The Estranged: Essays on the Work of=20 >George Oppen (2008); Uncertain Poetries: Essays=20 >on Poets, Poetry and Poetics (2005) and Exigent=20 >Futures: New and Selected Poems (2003) available=20 >at www.saltpublishing.com, amazon.com and good=20 >bookstores. Survey of work at=20 >http://www.thing.net/~grist/ld/heller.htm=20 >Collaborations with the composer Ellen Fishman=20 >Johnson at=20 >http://www.efjcomposer.com/EFJ/Collaborations.html=20 >Recordings at http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Heller.html Eschaton (new poems) Talisman House Publishers=20 (2009) available at SPD, Greenfield Distribution=20 (www.gfibooks.com), www. amazon.com and good=20 bookstores. Two Novellas: Marble Snows & The=20 Study (ahadada press 2009) available from SPD,=20 amazon.com and from ahadadpress at=20 http://www.ahadadabooks.com/content/view/162/41/.=20 Speaking The Estranged: Essays on the Work of=20 George Oppen (2008); Uncertain Poetries: Essays=20 on Poets, Poetry and Poetics (2005) and Exigent=20 Futures: New and Selected Poems (2003) available=20 at www.saltpublishing.com, amazon.com and good=20 bookstores. Survey of work at=20 http://www.thing.net/~grist/ld/heller.htm=20 Collaborations with the composer Ellen Fishman=20 Johnson at=20 http://www.efjcomposer.com/EFJ/Collaborations.html=20 Recordings at http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Heller.html =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:10:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Oct 2 & 3: Links Hall 30-Hour Festival (Chicago) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Links Hall 30th Anniversary Celebration! Celebrate 30 years of performance arts innovation.=20 Experience 30 hours of continuous performance. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:14:28 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Big Bridge In-Reply-To: <562519.71834.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable finally getting to this issue of big bridge & just want to say it's worth getting into--esp slow poetry (worth considering as the conceptual poetry discussion goes on lately) & the Oppen section. burt kimmelman's piece in jacket & michael heller's as always illuminating excerpt are cases in point= . On 7/31/09 8:07 PM, "Eric Hoffman" wrote: > http://www.bigbridge.org/index3 > The new Big Bridge is now on-line: >=20 >=20 > http://www.bigbridge.org/index3.htm >=20 > As you can see from the contents below, it's a pretty incredible=A0body of > material, and I'm honored to have the George Oppen special feature includ= ed > among such a stellar gathering. > =A0=A0 > Hope this finds you well, > Eric Hoffman >=20 >=20 >=20 > CHAPBOOK:=20 > A Time in Fragments > Poem by Clark Coolidge; Drawings by Nancy Victoria Davis > =A0=20 > ________________________________ >=20 > =A0=20 > FEATURES, 1=20 > =A0=20 > Slow Poetry=20 > Edited by Dale Smith > One of the most refreshing and promising developments in poetry in recent > years,=20 > Slow Poetry does not propose another sectarian or clique position, but ra= ther > methods=20 > of reading and attitudes toward production which could apply to most genr= es in > the=20 > current scene or likely to emerge in the near future. The approach has a > strong base=20 > in concepts and needs made more apparent than ever by current ecological = and > economic concerns. > =A0=20 > Beauty Came Groveling Forward: > Selected South African Poems and Stories > edited by Gary Cummiskey > This collection was meant to show the diversity and spirited character of > current=20 > South African writing. It contains work by some celebrated writers, and s= ome > whose=20 > work has not received wide circulation even in its home country. Without = the > problems caused by canon formation or trying to be totally comprehensive,= this > group of poems and stories is free to work outside the stereotypes and > preconceptions=20 > of South Africa and allow the participants to show what they can do as > individuals.=20 > =A0=20 > All This Strangeness: > A Garland for George Oppen > Edited by Eric Hoffman > Commentary on Oppen has grown slowly, unobtrusively, and steadily, until = it > now forms=20 > a major body in itself. This collection of essays evaluates that body of > criticism in less partisan > terms than many of its predecessors, seeking to focus on individual poems= and > prosody in=20 > a broad historical context, going beyond the dichotomies that dominated t= he > 20th Century and=20 > making room for further types of relevance in current literary and social > dispensations.=20 > =A0=20 > Sephardic Proverbs > Collected and translated by Michael Castro > Proverbs act on many of the same principles as other miniatures, such as > haiku. Like stand-alone > couplets and quatrains used in everything from toasts to insults, they al= so > include a strong element of > collaboration and evolution. As a look at a tradition or a type of poem, = this > collection can stay with a > reader a long time. > =A0=20 > Post-Beat Anthology > Reprint from the Chinese anthology, with brief intro > Edited by Vernon Frazer > How would you edit a collection of poems with that title for a Chinese > audience? Probably not the > same way Frazer has. That's one of the things that makes it interesting a= nd > refreshing.=20 > =A0=20 > as per Le Roman de la Rose, for example > An Anthology of Middle East Genocide Edited by Arpine Konyalian Grenier > How does the cruel and unusual work for you through art, whether it comes= from > direct experience or direct/indirect memory. Be Genet, for example; lemon= to > lemonade,=20 > for example. How does one turn to Le Roman de la Rose (a Middle Ages Poem= ) > when=20 > one is mired in or sorting out or faced with what happened or what is > happening that is > cruel and unusual due to human intolerance: racial religious cultural gen= der > related and other. > =A0=20 > Charles Olson and the Nature of Destructive Humanism > by Craig Stormont > =A0=20 > One Man Blues:=20 > Remembering Thomas Chapin > Reminiscence by Vernon Frazer > =A0=20 > Excerpt from=20 > Autobiography=20 > by David Bromige=20 > =A0=20 > The India Journals > by John Brandi=20 > =A0=20 > Genius and Heroin: > by Michael Largo=20 > In this essay, the author reviews his own book. The themes of psycho-chem= istry > may=20 > stretch back to pristine civilizations in China, Egypt, and Mexico, but t= hey > seem inexhaustible. > Perhaps associate chemicals with genius is because our brains produce suc= h > sophisticated=20 > bases to start with, and self-review also finds a base in that phenomenon= . > =A0=20 > WAR PAPERS (3)=20 > Poems and essays against war. > Sub-features by John Bradley, Joel Lewis, Philip Metres, Vincent Katz, > Francesco Levato, and > Louise Landes Levi, plus reflections from around the world on the electio= n of > Barack Obama,=20 > and, of course, Halvard Johnson's continuing anthology of anti-war poems. > =A0=20 > A Retrospective of the Publication Work of Karl Young > =A0=20 > ________________________________ >=20 > =A0=20 > FEATURES, 2 &mdash ONGOING: > ROCKPILE=20 > ROCKPILE is a collaboration between David Meltzer =8B poet, musician, essay= ist, > and more =8B and Michael Rothenberg of Big Bridge Press. David and Michael = will > journey through eight cities in the U.S. to perform poetry and prose, com= posed > while on the=20 > road, with local musicians and artists in each city. ROCKPILE will serve = to > educate and=20 > preserve as well as to create a history of collaboration. It will help to > reinforce the tradition of > the troubadour of all generations, central to the cultural upheaval and > identity politics that > reawakened poets, artists, musicians, and songwriters in the mid-1960s th= rough > the 1970s.=20 > The project will end with a final multimedia performance in San Francisco= . > Check out the ROCKPILE Blog for calendar and discussion! > =A0 =A0=20 > ________________________________ >=20 > =A0=20 > Still Comming to Big Bridge this Year: > FEATURES, 3=20 > =A0=20 > Big Bridge New Orleans Sturm und Drang Anthology > edited by Dave Brinks and Bill Lavender > Introductory notes for work by 30 artists and 90 writers whose work will > double the size of this issue when it appears at the end of summer. > =A0=20 > Perfiles de la Noche / Profiles of Night > Mujeres poetas de Venezuela/Women Poets of Venezuela > A Selection from the Bi-lingual Anthology > Original complete text selected and translated by Rowena Hill > Co-edited by Pen de Venezuela and bid & co. > Selection for online edition by Terri Carrion > Poetry by=20 > Mar=EDa Auxiliadora =C1lvarez, Edda Armas, Enriqueta Arvelo Larriva, > Mar=EDa calca=F1o, Laura Cracco, Ida Gramcko, Patricia Guzm=E1n, Veronica Jaffe= , > Maritza Jim=E9nez, Rowena Hill, Martha Kornblith, Luz machado, Mar=EDa Isabel > Novillo,=20 > Cecilia Ortiz, Hanni Ossott, Yolanda Pantin, Emira Rodr=EDguez, Margara > Russotto,=20 > Mar=EDa Clara Salas, Elizabeth Sch=F6n, Blanca Strepponi, Ana Enriqueta Ter=E1n= , > Alicia Torres, Elena Vera, Carmen Verde Arocha, Miyo Vestrin > =A0=20 > A Tri-lingual Anthology of Galician Writers > Compiled, edited, and translated from Galician to Spanish by F.R. Lavande= ira. > Translated from Spanish to English by Terri Carrion. > Poetry and Prose by > A.Nerium, Mar=EDa do Cebreiro, Est=EDbaliz Espinosa, Miro Villar, Olga Novo, > F.R Lavandeira, Ant=F3n Riveiro Coello, Anxos Sumai, Diego Ameixeiras, Inma > L=F3pez Silva,=20 > =A0 =A0=20 > ________________________________ >=20 > ART > Enigmas > paintings by Jim Spitzer > As a regular contributor to Big Bridge, these paintings, variations on an > enigmatic=20 > theme, show Spitzer's continuing evolution, as well as being koan-like > meditations=20 > in their own right. > =A0=20 > The Kingdom of Madison: > Photographs from Madison County, North Carolina > by Rob Amberg=20 > Selections from three sets of photos, exploring a still relatively isolat= ed > place,=20 > where landscape still has functional meaning. When Amberg arrived, not as= a > tourist,=20 > but as one seeking community "Planting was still done by the signs of the > moon.=20 > Water came from springs and heat from forests" and traditional music stil= l > part of=20 > daily life. These photos add to the tradition begun in the WPA projects o= f the > Great Depression, but decidedly retain an identity of their own. > =A0=20 > These Are My Angels > by Tasha Robbins=20 > Small paintings done in Brooklyn on found cardboard by one of the Post-Ka= trina > diaspora. Celebrating the C-Train stop at Franklin + Fulton Avenues, as t= he > artist writes,=20 > they "kept my heart, eye + hand moving with a spirit of life close to the > timbre and=20 > vibration of the Crescent City, still healing. . . > =A0=20 > Lectura en Tr=E1nsito > Project Created and Directed by Carmen Gloria Berr=EDos > Set based on combination of public art and poetry from Santiago de Chile. > Poems translated by Terri Carrion and Carmen Gloria Berr=EDos. > =A0=20 > Animal Night Photography > by Felicia Murray; notes by Louise Landes Levi > New techniques in photography allow us to make photographic images of > phenomena=20 > we could only imagine in previous eras. We might debate whether the natur= e of > cameras=20 > and software brings us any closer to the spiritual world, but these haunt= ing > images of=20 > animals should make us feel less alone, and more in touch with the contin= uum > of life.=20 > =A0=20 > 12 Collages > by John Brandi=20 > These colages can be read as a non-verbal counterpart and extension of hi= s > India Journal=20 > and related work. > =A0=20 > ________________________________ >=20 > FICTION > =A0 > Fiction by=20 > Mel Freilicher, Eric Beeny, Stefani Christova, Lynda Schor, David Madgale= ne, > Stephen-Paul Martin, Mark Wallace, Susan Smith Nash, Kirpal gordon, > Richard Martin, Peter Conners, Ann Bogle, Jeffrey Hansen, Carol Novack > =A0=20 > ________________________________ >=20 > =A0 > REVIEWS >=20 > Reviews of:=20 > Wanda Phipps, Lewis Warsh, Simon Pettet, Larissa Shmailo, Bobbie Louise > Hawkins, Ed Sanders, > Bill Berkson, Colter Jacobsen, Mark Young, John Roche, Philip Gounis, Ric= h > Kruse, Michael Rumaker, > Annie Le Brun, George Kimball, and Ashis Gupta. > Reviewed by:=20 > Kirpal Gordon; Svitlana Matviyenko, Garry Parrish, Jackie Sheeler, Jim Fe= ast, > Allan Graubard,=20 > Charles Thorne, Barbara Henning, Tom Hibbard, Steve Elmer, Stephen Lewand= owski > Joe Wetteroth, Vernon Frazer, Leverett T. Smith, and Katherine Hastings. = =A0 > =A0=20 > ________________________________ >=20 > =A0=20 > =A0 LITTLE MAGS > =A0 >=20 > Plastic Ocean=20 > Green Dragon=20 > Untamed Ink >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:19:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <16CDF3AA01734BF1BC9661087F81FC35@win.louisiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 How come when Goldsmith copies the entire New York Times, he is a conceptual artist; but if one copied the whole text of a Paul Auster novel, for example, one will be hit with a law suit? Doesn't such a conceptual work depend upon the economic "valuelessness" of the first text in question? What does that say about conceptual gesture of copying as a critical gesture? But, if the person is ready to go to jail for his or for gesture, now that would be conceptual art. Ciao, Murat On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Skip Fox wrote: > For aesthetic judgment, have we gone from "newness is value" (Christian > Bok) > to "newness is the major, perhaps only, value" (which is what Bok implies > when speaking of Goldsmith)? That's where it slips for me. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:36:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Tribbey, Hugh R." Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: A<16CDF3AA01734BF1BC9661087F81FC35@win.louisiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Skip,=20 Maybe awfulness is more interesting than "aesthetic judgment"--& I'm addressing the issue here & not "passing judgment" on the 2 works. Release awfulness & let its spawn spread through the streets like so many shiny beetles. -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Skip Fox Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:27 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson For aesthetic judgment, have we gone from "newness is value" (Christian Bok) to "newness is the major, perhaps only, value" (which is what Bok implies when speaking of Goldsmith)? That's where it slips for me. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:58:24 -0500 Reply-To: dgodston@gmail.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Godston Organization: Borderbend Arts Collective Subject: Chicago Calling at Elastic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CHICAGO CALLING ARTS FESTIVAL EVENT AT ELASTIC SOUND & VISION GALLERY Saturday, October 3, 2009 (6 p.m.-midnight) Elastic Sound & Vision Gallery You are invited to attend this Chicago Calling event, which includes and poetry readings and musical performances, and Vibrational Sound Narratives, a collection of artworks by Alpha Bruton. A gallery opening for Ms. Bruton's Vibrational Sound Narratives begins at 6 p.m. It features a performance with David Boykin (reeds, percussion) and Una MacGlone (upright bass). The gallery opening is free and open to the public. Performances and projects beginning at 8 p.m. ($15 admission) -- * Amie Sell -- "TEXTAPORT Teleporting a Mystery Object Through Words" * Wayne Allen Jones (Chicago) and Duane Vorhees (Bangkok) -- poetry collaboration * Bauhaus9090 performance * Satya Alliance (Satya Gummuluri (voice), Douglas Brush (percussion), Dan Godston (trumpet), and Alex Wing (upright bass)). This performance includes poetry by Divik Ramesh (New Delhi), Elizebeth Varghese (Bombay/NYC), and Aaron Salles Torres (Brazil/Chicago). * Jamie Kazay -- poetry * Eric Elshtain (Chicago) and Gregory Fraser (Georgia) -- poetry collaboration * Trio with Gino Robair (percussion / Oakland), Andrew Royal (violins / Chicago), and Aaron Zarzutzki (electronics / Chicago) $12 admission Elastic Sound & Vision Gallery 2830 N. Milwaukee Ave., 2nd floor Chicago, IL 60647 773.772.3616 http://www.chicagocalling.org http://www.elasticrevolution.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 00:32:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Carol Novack Subject: Mad Hatters=?windows-1252?Q?=92_?= Review Poetry, Prose, and Anything Goes Reading; Phoenix Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *Friday, October 2nd, **7:00 =E2=80=93 9:00 pm** at the KGB Bar, NYC, **85 = E 4thStreet ** (between Bowery & Second): * *Mad Hatters=E2=80=99 Review Poetry, Prose, and Anything Goes Reading featu= ring:* *Karen Garthe*, whose poetry has appeared in numerous journals including Lana Turner, Chicago Review, New American Writing, American Letters Commentary, VOLT, Denver Quarterly, Colorado Review, POOL, and Court Green. Her book Frayed escort won the 2005 Colorado Prize judged by Cal Bedient. She lives and works in New York City. Karen served briefly as a poetry editor for Mad Hatters=E2=80=99 Review and will have poems in the forthcomi= ng Mad Bunkers Mash issue. *Jefferson Hansen* is a graduate of the Poetics Program at SUNY-Buffalo, where he worked with Robert Creeley and Charles Bernstein. His most recent work is a novel, *And Beefheart Saved Craig* (BlazeVox) experiments radically with typography and visuals. He also has a poetry book coming out soon, *Jazz Forms* (Blue Lion). A number of journals =E2=80=94 such as *The= Mad Hatters=E2=80=99 Review, Sulfur, **Denver** Quarterly, *and* **Big** **Brid= ge** =E2=80=94 *have published his stories and poems. He also runs a blog that focuses on interviews, reviews, and literary commentary (http:/ experimentalfictionpoetry@blogspot.com). Jefferson lives in Minneapolis wit= h his wife Elizabeth Burns, a novelist, his daughters Cecilia and Molly, and their dog Victor. *Erica Plouffe Lazure*, the 2009 George Bennett Writer in Residence at Phillips Exeter Academy in New Hampshire. She is a graduate of Bennington College=E2=80=99s Writing Seminars, and until recently had lived and worked= as a writer and writing teacher at East Carolina University in Greenville, North Carolina. In addition to Mad Hatters=E2=80=99 Review, her work has appeared= in McSweeney=E2=80=99s Quarterly, North Carolina Literary Review, Smokelong Qu= arterly, Keyhole, and elsewhere. *M.E. Parker*, an obscure fiction writer in Texas who aspires to one day be a card-carrying member of his local Card Carrier Society. In the mean time= , his short fiction has recently surfaced or is scheduled to see daylight in numerous print publications and Internet haunts including 42 Opus, Alimentum, Barnstorm, The Briar Cliff Review, Electric Velocipede, The MacGuffin, Night Train, and Red Fez. www.meparker.com _________________________________________ SUNDAY October 4th, 2009, 5:30 pm Phoenix Reading Series @ Bengal Curry, trendy Tribeca, NYC (hot hot hot!) Curator: George Spencer I will read chutney with Charles Butler and Fred Dasig. Bengal Curry 65 West Broadway Take the 1, 2, 3, A, C, or E trains to Chambers Street 1 1=E2=81=842 blocks below Chambers St --=20 MAD HATTERS' REVIEW: edgy & enlightened art, literature, & music in the Age of Dementia: http://www.madhattersreview.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:00:23 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ryan Daley Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson . . . The Next Generation . . . In-Reply-To: <760824F7BB8C461CA17504B428AB9E63@win.louisiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And then: NYTimes Editors group to retype DAY...each day...for a year. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Skip Fox wrote: > The next logical step is a text titled _Daze_ containing both Goldsmith and > Johnson ("author" must retype each, of course). > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:45:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Yes, there seems to be a fetish for the new, as opposed for what is=20 interesting. I think that this is damaging to creativity, in that it does= n't=20 allow time for a gestation fo the new, before the next new thing is=20 sought. On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:26:49 -0500, Skip Fox=20 wrote: >For aesthetic judgment, have we gone from "newness is value"=20 (Christian Bok) >to "newness is the major, perhaps only, value" (which is what Bok=20 implies >when speaking of Goldsmith)? That's where it slips for me. > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20 guidelines & sub/unsub info:=20 http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:03:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Ball Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <16CDF3AA01734BF1BC9661087F81FC35@win.louisiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bobby, I think you've put your finger on something --- regardless of Goldsmith's stance, I disagree with a basic tenant of conceptualist art, that the concept is everything, or "the charge [is] in the concept" as Mair=E9ad more elegantly puts it. The facility of the execution and the richness of the end result maintain their lustre, and I think it is a mistake for Goldsmith and his ilk to eschew these "traditional" values in a fetishization of newness that belies the facility and the poetic richness o= f their works. For all of Goldsmith's boisterous contempt for originality, he is producing original texts that are worth reading. That's right ... Kenny Goldsmith's books are WORTH READING. Appropriation and recontextualization is old hat, as you say, insofar as artistic tactics are concerned, but old though they may be these tactics can still produce good work. In short, I disagree with Goldsmith and consider a text like DAY both readable and interesting, full of poetic richness. Johnson's DAY is not as interesting t= o me because it is a perfect example of the kind of empty conceptualism which Goldsmith CLAIMS to practice, when in fact his writing is more interesting than his soundbites regarding same. Of course, since the texts are identical, Johnson's book is just as "rich" as Kenny's. But where Kenny produced a "uncreative" and yet, in another sense, "original" poetic text through the application of an artistic technique, Johnson is merely satirizing Goldsmith's pose. Jonathan Or maybe you take Goldsmith's word for it that "In conceptual writing the idea or concept is the most important aspect of the work. When an author uses a conceptual form of writing, it means that all of the planning and decisions are made beforehand and the execution is a perfunctory affair." If that's the case, then tell me, please, what makes Goldsmith's idea interesting? Given that the same idea has been had, and executed, by thousands of others, including Richard Prince, Sherri Levine, and anyone who's "written" a found poem, why should we see Goldsmith's project as any more or any less interesting than Johnson's? But here's a thought: what if the dismissal of Kent's DAY as "superficially interesting" was exactly the point of his project? I don't say that it is; Kent can speak to that (or could, if he weren't banned from this list, though I'm sure he'll find a way to participate somehow). But what if? What if one took the annoyed response to Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted, since it proved the fact--which you may take to be obvious, but which no one seems willing to publicly acknowledge--that there is a bright line between the kind of people whose uncreative writing allows them to reap every reward the culture industry has to offer=97publication, glossy magazine interviews, fellowships and tenured academic positions--and those whose *identical* uncreative writing gets them shunned as wannabes? And what if that bright line has nothing to do with the work, or the ideas behind the work, and everything to do with the fact that one has gone to the right schools, lived in the right cities, and licked the right boots? I think you'd have to admit that it's a superficially interesting thought, at the very least. Bobby =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:34:50 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nico Vassilakis Subject: SubText Seattle: David Buuck & Joel Felix: 10/7/09 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 for more info: =20 http://subtextreadingseries.blogspot.com/ =20 =20 thanks for your time=2C =20 n =0A= _________________________________________________________________=0A= Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits.=0A= http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto= rial_Storage_062009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:49:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Patrick F. Durgin" Subject: Dorantes, Solo?rzano, Hofer, Durgin, & Mohammad in Milwaukee, WI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patrick Durgin, Jen Hofer, and K. Silem Mohammad, Sunday, October 18, 2009. Poetry Reading 2:00 p.m. Woodland Pattern (http://www.woodlandpattern.org/) * * * * Dolores Dorantes and Laura Solo?rzano, visiting poets from Mexico and English-language translator and poet, Jen Hofer, October 20, 2009 Poetry Translation Workshop 2:00-3:30 p.m. Curtin Hall, Room 368, University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee. Bilingual Poetry Reading 7:00 p.m. Greene Hall - Free and Open to the Public, University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee. Presented by the Center for Latin American and Caribbean Studies (CLACS), the Roberto Herna?ndez Center, the Creative Writing Program and the Spanish Department. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:31:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Charles Bernstein enters Johnson/Goldsmith Day debate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" There has been a new development in the Johnson/Goldsmith debate.=20 Charles Bernstein notified me to say that he had reproduced, in 2006,=20 Kenny=92s =91Weather=92 in full: http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/bernstein/blog/archive/weather.html The inference being that Kent's doing the same with Day is passe. In=20 response to this new development Kent says: =91Fascinating! =20 There is an important difference, though. Bernstein announces that the=20= work is by Goldsmith, and he seems to add his name in a playful sort of=20= gesture, a kind of "afterthought" beneath "Kenny Goldsmith's The=20 Weather." It's a "half-hearted" ironic tweak, so to speak. =20 I'm not doing that. I'm *erasing* Goldsmith's name and affirming=20 myself as the book's Author! I'm affirming (sardonic though the=20 affirmation is) the book as my "property." Which is to say that the=20 category of Authorship is bracketed in uncomfortable sorts of ways. =20 Feel free to send this on to Charles.=92 Which I did. I won=92t quote Charles=92s full response as I haven=92t got= his=20 permission to do so. But he said that he used his version of =91Weather=92= =20 in teaching a course on Goldsmith. And said the piece =91seemed more=20 fresh three or four year ago=92 Kenny=92s response to this is: =91I think you need to spread this all over the place, Jeffrey. It takes = the=20 whole discussion into a new area. Please quote my letter if you do so=20 at Poetics and your blog. There is simply no comparison.=20 =20 Charles *always* needs to be first! (note the hilarious remark about=20 how it seemed "more fresh three or four years ago"!)=92 Which is why I=92m posting it here. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:41:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: Advertise in Boog City 60 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please forward ------------------ Advertise in Boog City 60 featuring Urban Folk 22 **Deadlines** =97Space Reservations-Email to reserve ad space ASAP =97Tues. Nov. 3-Submit Ad or Ad Materials =97Wed. Nov. 11-Distribute Paper This is a quick note to see if you=92d like to advertise and reach our =20= readership. (Donations are also cool, way cool.) 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Pages 35-36 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends and Colleagues: Here are pages 35-36 of "The Gateless Gate": http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Gate/Pgs%2035-36.htm Mirror site: http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Gate/Pgs%2035-36.htm The Introduction has been slightly revised: = http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Gate/Intro.htm Thank you to those of you who have written to me on this project.=20 If you don't want to receive these notices, please let me know, and I = will delete your name from the list. -Joel =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:47:57 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Scott Howard Subject: Book Reviewers Sought MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RECONFIGURATIONS: A Journal for Poetics & Poetry / Literature & Culture, ISSN: 1938-3592, http://reconfigurations.blogspot.com/ . . . is looking for writers to review these books: * Jean Daive. Under the Dome: Walks with Paul Celan. Trans. Rosmarie Waldrop. Burning Deck, 2009. [Literary Non-fiction; Memoir]. * Michael Gizzi. New Depths of Deadpan. Burning Deck, 2009. * Andrew Zawacki. Petals of Zero / Petals of One. Talisman House, 2009. We usually ask for book reviews to be between 1,000 and 1,500 words in length. Manuscripts will be due November six. RECONFIGURATIONS is an open-access, peer-reviewed, MLA-indexed and EBSCO distributed electronic journal for poetics and poetry, creative and scholarly writing, innovative and traditional concerns with literary arts and cultural studies. If you're interested in writing one or more of these book reviews, reply to: showard@du.edu /// ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:58:28 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: Upcoming Events at The Poetry Project Comments: To: "info@poetryproject.org" Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable This is what=B9s coming up at The Poetry Project. Also, Brandon Brown has written his first blog post for us. Check it out here: http://poetryproject.org/project-blog. And soon we=B9ll be featuring some new poems from Macgregor Card and Claire Becker here: http://poetryproject.org/featured-content/poems. Friday, October 2, 10 PM Vibrant Futures: Episode Two Vibrant Futures, directed by=A0Robin Schavoir and=A0Lea Cetera, is a fictional mini-series about a tree-dwelling community living in giant redwoods that experiences a rebirth of consciousness. Originally written and conceived as a five hour long film, it has been subdivided into an episodic miniseries being produced and released in consecutive order.=A0=A0Episode One, the 55 minute pilot, was completed in September of 2008, and was screened at Guild and Greyshkul Gallery, NYC.=A0=A0To view=A0Episode One, and learn more about this project please visit vibrantfuturesmovie.com. Vibrant Futures: Episode Two is the second installment of this five part miniseries. Watch as Trey solves the mystery of Lucy=B9s hat, Carl shows off his scatting skills and Moonface is visited by her old love. Approx. runnin= g time: 60 min. Robin Schavoir is a Belgian-born artist. He attended the Cooper Union Schoo= l of Art, and the Longy School of Music in=A0Boston. He now lives and works in=A0New York City. Lea Marie Cetera is a=A0New York City=A0based artist. She was born in=A0Brooklyn,=A0NY=A0and received her B.F.A from the Cooper Union School of Art in 2005.=A0=A0She is the co-founder and director of the experimental puppetry collaborative, IMAGINATIONEXPLOSION. Monday, October 5, 8 PM Open Reading=20 Sign-in at 7:45 pm. Wednesday, October 7, 8 PM Naked Lunch at 50=20 William S. Burroughs=8C Naked Lunch was first published in Paris in July 1959= . To mark this golden anniversary, the Poetry Project will inaugurate the New York portion of an international series of festivities with a group reading of Burroughs=B9 masterwork. Join Eric Andersen, John Giorno, Jan Herman, Thurston Moore,=A0 Genesis Breyer P-Orridge, Simon Pettet, J=FCrgen Ploog, Anne Waldman, Nick Zedd, and more TBA in paying tribute to the book that Allen Ginsberg described as =B3the endless novel which will drive everybody mad.=B2 There will be a series of Kate Simon=B9s photographs of WSB digitally projected during break, and a segment of the film Nova Express by Andre Perkowski will be shown as a prelude to the reading. This reading will be hosted by Keith Seward. This event will take place in the Sanctuary. Friday, October 9, 10 PM Josef Kaplan & Jarrod Fowler Josef Kaplan=B9s work has appeared, or is forthcoming, in=A0Sprung Formal,=A0Mode= l Homes,=A0Lana=A0 Turner, mid)rib,=A0NAP and the=A0West Wind Review. He edits=A0Sustainable Aircraft, an online journal of mostly critical writing on contemporary poetry, and lives in=A0Brooklyn.=A0 Jarrod Fowler is a=A0conceptual percussionist with a focus around rhythm. In his work, he activates sources in order to emphasize their percussive and rhythmic forces and processes. These works may be presented in the form of documents or site specific happenings.=A0 He is the author of=A0Translation As Rhythm (Errant Bodies) and=A0=8Cpercussion=B9 as percussion (PLE). Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.org/become-a-member Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.org/program-calendar The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.org www.poetryproject.org Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=B9d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a line at info@poetryproject.org. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:35:34 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Ball Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <461e0fe0909301234w1cf769e3sd5c45cde67767ddd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want to say that I'm not annoyed by Johnson's DAY. I am new to this list and don't really know who Johnson is, he seems to have a longer history wit= h this list (somebody mentioned that he was banned from it, for reasons I don't know about). I think his project is intended as a joke, but since it is being presented and supported by some as serious work, I just want to talk about whether or not it stands or falls as serious work. It certainly succeeds as a joke. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Adam Katz wrote= : > > > > What if one took the annoyed response to > > Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted > > > Not to answer this question one way or another, but to point out that, we= re > this reaction what he was going for, that still doesn't make it a "good" > thing to have gone for. It may very well be, though. > a > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) Sessional Instructor University of Manitoba University of Winnipeg www.jonathanball.com =93If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate him.= =94 -- Farley Mowat =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:45:24 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark DuCharme Subject: REMINDER: Collom & Catanzano, Stratford Park Reading Series, October 8th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please join us at the STRATFORD PARK READING SERIES for an evening of poetr= y featuring JACK COLLOM & AMY CATANZANO. It all happens THURSDAY=2C OCTOBER 8th at 7:30 p.m. Address: 3030 O=92NEAL PARKWAY=2C Boulder=2C Colorado (across the street from Naropa University=92s Paramita campus & the Boulder= Cork restaurant) http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=3DBoulder&state=3DCO&address=3D3030+O=92n= eal+Parkway&zipcode=3D80301 A Donation is requested=97 but All are welcome! A reception will follow the reading =A7 DIRECTIONS: O=92Neal Parkway is off 30th Street in north Boulder between Valmont & Iris. Turn East at the signs for STRATFORD PARK WEST. The community house is the one-story building with a fence leading down to the street=2C half a block from 30th. Please park ONLY on O=92Neal Parkway=2C O=92Neal Circle=2C or in VISITOR spaces in the Stratford Park West lots.=20 Please do not park in any other nearby lots. Thank you. =A7 Jack Collom was born in Chicago in 1931. He studied Forestry at Colorado A&M College and has been a birdwatcher since boyhood. His poetry (23 books) is notable for its formal and informal variety. Collom has collaborated extensively with other poets (especially Lyn Hejinian) and with musicians=2C visual artists=2C friends=2C passersby=2C and schoolchildren. Teachers and Writers has published three books of and about his work with children. Perhaps his chief study for many years has been the collaborative possibilities between poetry and nature. In spring 2008 he was a plenary speaker on this topic at the "Poetic Ecologies" Conference in Brussels. He has been awarded two Poetry Fellowships by the National Endowment for the Arts and is working on a ridiculously large ms. called "Second Nature." Collom is married to writer Jennifer Heath. =20 Amy Catanzano is the author of Multiversal (Fordham University Press=2C 200= 9)=2C selected by Michael Palmer for the Poets Out Loud Prize=2C and iEpiph= any (Erudite Fangs=2C 2008). Her poetry and fiction have recently appeared = in La Petite Zine=2C Tarpaulin Sky=2C Denver Quarterly and in the Best of F= ence anthology. An essay=2C =93Quantum Poetics: Writing the Speed of Light=2C=94 which examines how principles in theoretical physics apply to poetry and prose=2C is forthcoming on Jerome Rothenberg=92s blog at http://poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com/. She has an MFA from the Iowa Writers=92 Workshop. Raised in Boulder=2C she currently works and teaches in the Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics at Naropa University. =A7 If you no longer wish to receive email announcements of upcoming events in the Stratford Park Reading Series=2C please email markducharme@hotmail.com with the subject line "SPRS: REMOVE." = =0A= _________________________________________________________________=0A= Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that=92s right for you.=0A= http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=3Dftp_val_wl_290= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:33:02 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Katz Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think an important question is not whether it "succeeds" or "fails" as a gesture, but at what cost. In other words, perhaps it "succeeds" but not as much as something else which "could have" been produced with the same time and amount of effort, skill, and knowledge. I think Badiou makes a similar argument against what he calls the "constructivist" stance: not that its statements are untrue, but that they are too slow. It's knowledge, but not action. Hence, perhaps the value of this situation is that it makes us ask a larger question about efficacy and goals in general. Any takers?a ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 21:18:07 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Gads, personally I love Goldsmith's work - find it impossible not to. And thinking about the new, I remember Clark Coolidge talking about how great it was to step across boundaries, look back. There's no Goldsmith and his "ilk" by the way, maybe a "lek!" ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 01:31:36 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Corey Frost Subject: Eileen Myles at the GC In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tonight (Friday, October 2, 2009, at 6:30 pm), we are lucky enough to =20= have Eileen Myles, the sui generis downtown poet, novelist, essayist, =20= and performer, =93my President,=94 as Erica Hunt recently said at the =20= AdFemPo conference, for a couple of hours at the Grad Center, in the =20 English Department lounge, room 4406, during which she will read from =20= her new book, The Importance of Being Iceland: Travel Essays in Art, =20 and then Corey Frost (me) and Erica Kaufman, both writers, doctoral =20 English students at the Grad Center, and fans of Eileen, will give =20 short responses to her work, following which there will be plenty of =20 time for questions, making for an excellent opportunity to discuss a =20 variety of topics, everything from melting glaciers, movie stars, and =20= menopause, to class, gender, and barf, and a chance to talk to a =20 legendary writer, a vital part of the New York poetry scene from the =20 70s until now. There are 30 commas in the one-sentence paragraph above, a surfeit of =20= organizational punctuation that is more or less the opposite of Eileen =20= Myles=92 semantically messy, often punctuation-free Steinian sentence. =20= Her new book covers a wide range of subjects (travel, art, people, and =20= poetry, for starters) and has two or three brilliant, casually =20 subversive ideas on each page, but each of the essays is unmistakably =20= Eileen Myles. Each one feels like an improvised performance, as though =20= the author didn=92t know she was going to be asked that question but is =20= really enjoying the process of figuring out an answer. And the process =20= is never a linear one. In the title essay, Myles gives various reasons =20= for her interest in Iceland, but perhaps one way that Iceland is =20 important is that it seems so tangential to the way the rest of the =20 world works, and therefore a perfect landscape for such an ambulatory =20= intellectual method. =93I=92m not sure if I=92m telling a story or = unveiling =20 my mania,=94 she says... [On the Poetics Group website you'll find a continuation of this =20 introduction to The Importance of Being Iceland, including favourite =20 lines.]= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 06:48:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Jonathan, please see my blog on this, where I say: 'Incidentally, it could be said that Johnson=92s appropriation of=20 Goldsmith=92s =93work=94 is, perhaps, the more innovative and audacious a= ct=20 in comparison to Goldsmith=92s =93original=94 gesture, which, I think mos= t will=20 recognise, was based on an already established artistic precedent.' http://jeffrey-side.blogspot.com/ On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:35:34 -0500, Jonathan Ball=20 wrote: >I want to say that I'm not annoyed by Johnson's DAY. I am new to=20 this list >and don't really know who Johnson is, he seems to have a longer=20 history with >this list (somebody mentioned that he was banned from it, for=20 reasons I >don't know about). I think his project is intended as a joke, but since=20= it >is being presented and supported by some as serious work, I just=20 want to >talk about whether or not it stands or falls as serious work. It certain= ly >succeeds as a joke. > > > > > >On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Adam Katz=20 wrote: > >> > >> > What if one took the annoyed response to >> > Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted >> >> >> Not to answer this question one way or another, but to point out=20 that, were >> this reaction what he was going for, that still doesn't make it=20 a "good" >> thing to have gone for. It may very well be, though. >> a >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20= guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > > >--=20 >Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) >Sessional Instructor >University of Manitoba >University of Winnipeg > >www.jonathanball.com > >=93If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate=20= him.=94 -- >Farley Mowat > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20 guidelines & sub/unsub info:=20 http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 06:55:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Very good point. Kent's act is far braver than Kenny's, as it could lead=20= to legal action. I think this is what makes Kent's act historically more=20= artistically original than Kenny's. On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:19:25 -0400, Murat Nemet-Nejat=20 wrote: >How come when Goldsmith copies the entire New York Times, he is a=20 conceptual >artist; but if one copied the whole text of a Paul Auster novel, for >example, one will be hit with a law suit? Doesn't such a conceptual=20 work >depend upon the economic "valuelessness" of the first text in=20 question? What >does that say about conceptual gesture of copying as a critical=20 gesture? >But, if the person is ready to go to jail for his or for gesture, now th= at >would be conceptual art. > >Ciao, > >Murat > > >On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Skip Fox =20 wrote: > >> For aesthetic judgment, have we gone from "newness is value"=20 (Christian >> Bok) >> to "newness is the major, perhaps only, value" (which is what Bok=20 implies >> when speaking of Goldsmith)? That's where it slips for me. >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20= guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20 guidelines & sub/unsub info:=20 http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:31:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the main thing about kenny for me is that he's funny. it's hard not to enjoy laughing. in my experience, which admittedly is limited, kent johnson isn't funny. Alan Sondheim wrote: > Gads, personally I love Goldsmith's work - find it impossible not to. > And thinking about the new, I remember Clark Coolidge talking about > how great it was to step across boundaries, look back. > > There's no Goldsmith and his "ilk" by the way, maybe a "lek!" > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:21:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Vernon Frazer Subject: ROCKPILE TOUR CALENDAR (submitted on behalf of Michael Rothenberg Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The ROCKPILE Tour Calendar is finally complete and we're ready to go. =20= And make sure you check out the ROCKPILE = Blog,www.bigbridge.org/rockpile/=20 We will be posting journal entries, videos, interviews for the =20 entire two month trip. See you on the road. Best, Michael R. ROCKPILE TOUR CALENDAR 2009 LOS ANGELES ROCKPILE Performance Thursday, October 8th 7:00pm The Hammer Museum Billy Wilder Theater 10899 Wilshire Blvd Los Angeles, CA 90024 Phone: 310.443.7000 http://hammer.ucla.edu ADMISSION: free David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg with Theo Saunders (piano), =20 Johnny Lee Schell(guitar), John B. Williams(bass), Joe =20 Sublette(saxophone), Debra Dobkin (drums and percussion) for a fusion =20= of poetry, jazz, blues and roots rock. ALBUQUERQUE ROCKPILE Performance Thursday, October 15th 7:30 pm Outpost Performance Space 210 Yale SE =E2=80=A2 2 blocks south of Central Albuquerque, NM 87196 (505) 268-0044 http://www.outpostspace.org/ ADMISSION: $7, $5 dollars for members, (Outpost accepts phone orders as well as in-person sales at the =20 Outpost Performance Space Box Office Hours: 2:00-5:30pm=E2=80=94Monday-=20= Friday and 1 hr before each show at the door David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg with Thunderbird Poetry Orkestra: =20= JB Bryan, alto saxophone, rumba box, rattles; Mark Weber, hubcapaphone =20= & glockenspiel; Leif Rustebakke, koto, hurdy gurdy, percussion; Jon =20 Baldwin, cornet; Mark LeClaire, cello; Daisy Kates, mellophone, =20 percussion; Lou Liberty, taiko, little instruments; Jim Burbank, =20 djembe, didgeridoo, wooden flutes; John Tritica, rain stick, cowhorn =20 rattle, percussion; Riha Rothberg, balafon & percussion; plus special =20= guest Terri Carrion, accordion. NEW ORLEANS Friday, October 23, 7-12pm =E2=80=9CBob=E2=80=99s Compound=E2=80=9D 3027 Chartres Street New Orleans, LA Admission Free ROCKPILE Workshop and a Poetry and Music Open Mic Jam Session. An =20 open conversation with David Meltzer, Michael Rothenberg, Terri =20 Carrion, and Bill Lavender... =E2=80=9CPoetry & Music & the Troubadour =20= Tradition, Art, Activism, Collaboration & the Source of Creation.=E2=80=9D= =20 followed by an open mic jam session of poetry and music. Refreshments NEW ORLEANS ROCKPILE Performance Sun, October 25th 8PM Zeitgeist Multi-Disciplinary Arts Center 1618 Oretha Castle Haley Blvd. New Orleans, Louisiana 70113 (504) 827-5858 or (504) 352-1150 http://www.zeitgeistinc.net ADMISSON: all events are by donation - $7 general / $6 students & =20 seniors / $5 Zeitgeist members /Patrons & Children 15 and under free =20 (unless otherwise indicated) David Meltzer, Michael Rothenberg and, Blodie with members of The =20 Dirty Dozen Brass Band including Gregory Davis (trumpet), Roger Lewis =20= (baritone sax), Terence Higgins (drums), Julius McKee (sousaphone), =20 andJake Eckert (guitar). RICHMOND, VA Friday, October 30, 7:30pm-9:30pm Art 6 Gallery 6 East Broad Street Richmond, Virginia 23219 (804) 343-1406 5 dollars admission art6gallery@gmail.com ROCKPILE Halloween Reading with David Meltzer, Michael Rothenberg and =20= Teresa Carrion WASHINGTON, DC Sunday, November 1st, 2pm =E2=80=93 5:00pm The Writer=E2=80=99s Center 4508 Walsh Street Bethesda, MD 20815 (301)654-8664 www.writer.org ADMISSION: free "All About Rockpile" with David Meltzer, Michael Rothenberg, and =20 celebrated pianist and composer Burnett Thompson with members of The =20 New Columbia Orchestra. Guest readers include Terri Carrion, Tom =20 Mandel, Sarah Browning, Ed Baker, Beth Joselow, Buck Downs, Carlo =20 Parcelli and more WASHINGTON, DC Tuesday, November 3, 12 noon-1:30pm Poets in the (Think) Tank: ROCKPILE =20 Symposium Cosponsored by Split This Rock and the Institute for Policy Studies Tuesday, November 3, noon-1:30 pm Brown bag lunch The Institute for Policy Studies 1112 16th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, DC Farragut North or Farragut West Metro For more info: info@splitthisrock.org, 202-787-5210 In anticipation of what is sure to be a music and poetry extravaganza =20= at Busboys and Poets November 4, ROCKPILE artists David Meltzer and =20 Michael Rothenberg host an open discussion on Art and Activism, =20 Poetry, Music and The Troubadour Tradition, Censorship and The =20 Academy, Community and Collaboration. With guest readers to be =20 announced. Moderator: Sarah Browning WASHINGTON, DC ROCKPILE Performance Wednesday, November 4th, 9pm-11pm Busboys and Poets: =E2=80=9CHump Day Groovez=E2=80=9D 2021 14 St. NW Washington, DC 20009 202-387-9757 http://www.busboysandpoets.com/ ADMISSION: 10 dollars at the door David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg with Burnett Thompson and The New =20= Columbia Orchestra NEW YORK CITY Saturday, November 7th 2-5pm Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church Parish Hall 131 E. 10th St.(& 2nd Ave.) Manhattan, NY ADMISSION: free ROCKPILE Symposium: David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg host a =20 discussion on "Art and Activism, Poetry, Music and The Troubadour =20 Tradition, Censorship and The Academy, Community and Collaboration: =20 Open discussion with Ammiel Alcalay, Teresa Carrion, Jim Christy, =20 Marty Ehrlich, Michael Franklin, Murat Nemat-Nejat, Wanda Phipps, =20 Robert Priest, Harris Schiff, Suzi Winson and Bill Zavatsky. We =20 welcome audience participation. Moderator: Jim Feast. Refreshments NEW YORK CITY Monday, November 9th, 12:30-2pm Segal Theater The Center for the Humanities The Graduate Center, CUNY 365 Fifth Avenue, Room 5103 New York, NY 10016 212-817-2005 ADMISSION: free ROCKPILE- Poetry and Music and The Troubadour Tradition A Discussion with David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg hosted by David =20= Henderson and Ammiel Alcalay. NEW YORK CITY ROCKPILE Performance Monday, November 9th 8pm The Gershwin Hotel 7 East 27th Street New York, NY 10016 (212)545-8000 http://www.gershwinhotel.com/english/site1.html ADMISSION: $10 at the door David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg with Marty Ehrlich (multi-reed =20 player), Lindsey Horner (bass), Bill Zavatsky (piano), Michael =20 Stephans (drums) ROCHESTER, NY November 11th, 4-5:15 pm David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg read and discuss ROCKPILE Rochester Institute of Technology College of Liberal Arts Faculty Lounge Bldg. 6, Rm 1251 92 Lomb Memorial Dr Rochester, NY (585) 475-4922 ADMISSION: free November 11th, 7pm David Meltzer, Michael Rothenberg and Terri Carrion Reading at: Writers and Books 740 University Ave Rochester, NY (585) 473-2590 ADMISSION: free November 12th, 10:30 am Rochester Institute of Technology lecture Michael Rothenberg and Terri Carrion class on =E2=80=9CEditing The Literary Magazine=E2=80=9D Rochester Institute of Technology 92 Lomb Memorial Dr. Rochester, NY ADMISSION: free BUFFALO, NY November 12th, 7PM David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg reading Just Buffalo @ WNYBAC Western New York Book Arts Center 468 Washington St. @ Mohawk Place 2nd Floor Buffalo, NY 14203 http://www.justbuffalo.org/ ADMISSION: free TORONTO Friday, November 13th David Meltzer, Michael Rothenberg, Terri Carrion, Robert Priest and =20 Jim Christy reading Time and location tba, please check ROCKPILE Blog for specifics = www.bigbridge.org/rockpile/ Toronto, Canada CHICAGO Tuesday, November 17th 5pm to 8pm Columbia College Chicago, Ferguson Hall 600 South Michigan Avenue Chicago, IL 60605 +1 312-663-1600=E2=80=8E ROCKPILE Symposium--Music and Poetry: The Art of Poetry =20 Collaboration. About: Since Kenneth Rexroth and Langston Hughes first =20= collaborated with jazz musicians (but then Jelly Roll Morton claimed =20 to have collaborated with authors, as well) poetry and music have =20 enjoyed a special relationship. The subject ranges far and wide: =20 Brecht's Threepenny Opera, Allen Ginsberg's manic rock combos, modern =20= hip-hop, the singer-songwriter tradition of troubadors such as Bob =20 Dylan and Lou Reed--the relationship between music, specifically jazz, =20= and poetry has been percolating for generations. Sit in with these =20 artists as they discuss this tempestuous relationship in a rapid-fire =20= panel discussion about poetry and music. Panelists include: David Meltzer, Michael Rothenberg, Art Lange, Dan =20 McNaughton, Tony Trigillio, Ed Roberson, Dan Godston, Larry Sawyer, =20 Francesco Levato, Terri Carrion, Bob Malone, and others. CHICAGO ROCKPILE Performance Thursday, November 19, 8pm- 12pm The Hideout 1354 W Wabansia Chicago, Il 60622 773.227.4433 http://www.hideoutchicago.com/ ADMISSION: 10 dollars at the door (all shows 21 & over unless stated otherwise advance tickets online or by phone at 866.468.3401) Poetry & Jazz Festival with ROCKPILE: David Meltzer and Michael =20 Rothenberg perform with The Spider Trio and The Bob Malone Band and =20 special guests Art Lange, Ed Roberson, Francesco Levato, Larry Sawyer, =20= Dan Godston Band and Terri Carrion. ST. LOUIS Monday, November 23rd 6pm Untamed Ink, Under and Above Ground: A Publication Celebration hosted by David Meltzer, Michael Rothenberg and Terri Carrion Lindenwood University, LCIE auditorium. ADMISSION: free ST. LOUIS ROCKPILE Performance November 24th 7:30-11pm Regional Arts Commission Performance Space 6128 Delmar Blvd. St. Louis, MO 63112-1204 (314) 863-5811 http://www.art-stl.com/ ADMISSION: free David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg with Zimbabwe Nkenya (Bass), Dave =20= Black ( guitar), Bob Malone (piano), Michael Franklin, Shirley =20 LeFlore, Michael Castro, K. Curtis Lyle and David Jackson (assorted =20 percussion and electronics), Alexander Balogh, Sean Arnold, Terri =20 Carrion, Howard Schwartz, and Philip Gounis. =20= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 07:13:23 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Kent asked me to post his response to someone on the Digital=20 Emunction blog: "OK, Bren=ADnen, but if it isn=92t, then what is it I might have =93plagi= arized=94?=20 I=92m not saying I haven=92t, I=92m just curi=ADous what you mean. I see that you are think=ADing about this at your blog in terms of recent= art=20 his=ADtory and theory, quot=ADing Danto, and I think that=92s great (Kenn= y=20 should think it=92s great, too, since he=92s sup=ADpos=ADedly all about r= eflec=ADtion=20 and dis=ADcus=ADsion).=20 In their writ=ADings on the Duchampian ready=ADmade and its neo-avant-gar= de=20 recy=ADclings, I find crit=ADics like Buchloh and Foster more inter=ADest= =ADing than=20 Danto. Though they take strong excep=ADtion to Burger=92s whole=ADsale di= s=AD missal of the neo-avant-garde, they=92re also very crit=ADi=ADcal of ways= the=20 great, orig=ADi=ADnal ready=ADmade move has been cut and pasted ad infini= =ADtum=20 into the art market since, say, Nou=ADveau real=ADisme=96 recy=ADcled ges= =ADtures=20 with this or that generic tweak or nov=ADelty, that is, emp=ADtied of any= rad=ADi=AD cal, anti-​institutional charge=96 ready-​made, as it= were,=20 for rapid cap=ADture=20 and incor=ADpo=ADra=ADtion by the net=ADworks of =93Museum Culture.=94=20= This recy=ADcling, I=92d say, is trans=ADpar=ADently the case with the wo= rk of Kenny=20 Gold=ADsmith (Gold=ADsmith and Bok, to be sure, who despite their polemic= s=20 for the ben=ADe=ADfits of ego-​less =93uncreativity=94 seem to = have been=20 drunk for=20 the past few years on some kind of secret Author Func=ADtion Ego Juice,=20= are quite exu=ADber=ADantly open about their desire for the Museum). KG=92= s=20 work is =93uncreative=94 and =93boring=94 not just as affec=ADtive exten=AD= sion of its=20 pro=ADclaimed poetic and =93ontological=94 premises; it=92s uncre=ADative= and boring=20 because it=92s so damn old hat: an attempted impor=ADta=ADtion of decades= - ​old=20 ges=ADtures into a Po-​Biz scene that, as Gold=ADsmith him=ADse= lf puts=20 it, =93is forty=20 years behind art,=94 and thus likely (at least part of its crowd) to take= =20 his =93conceptual=94 banal=ADi=ADties as excit=ADing and new. In some cir= =ADcles, they=20 call it snake oil. But it=92s MY Day, Bren=ADnen, that is truly new, you see. The Authen=ADt= ic=20 Item. Because no one has ever done it quite like this before. I=92ve take= n=20 his whole bookum and made it mine, in single deci=ADsive act. And doing=20= so, I=92ve put his pla=ADgia=ADrized bookum into the dust=ADbin of sub- ​poetic sub-​ history. I am being both funny and seri=ADous, in saying that. Dou=ADbled= in=20 my intent, so to speak, like the red-​hot =93Doubled K=94 poker= that=20 K.=20 dream=ADily men=ADtions in his blurb to my Day, where he acknowl=ADedges = me,=20 his mir=ADrored K, as his master. And it=92s why he=92s going to put my b= ook up=20 on UbuWeb. And one more thing, though here I=92m not kid=ADding around: What they=20= call =93Conceptual poetry=94? It=92s forty years behind Broodthaers and I= nsti=ADtu=AD tional Cri=ADtique. Kent" =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:39:31 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Ball Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Jeffrey, however I did read your post when you originally sent it around. My original point is to take issue with your statement, as I claim that there is nothing innovative or audacious about this appropriation by Johnson. Its conceptual value is not to earmark thievery as art, or to question categories of authorship --- both dry, boring notions by now --- but rather to extend to its logical extreme the rhetoric of a conceptualist like Goldsmith. My point is that Goldsmith's rhetoric of conceptulist value being the only value is already dry and boring. What makes Goldsmith's texts, such as DAY, innovative and audacious works is the actual poetic richness of the texts produced under these "uncreative" constraints, not the their conceptualist underpinnings. Therefore, Johnson's act, aside from being hamfisted satire, is just "more of the same" insofar as conceptualist writing is concerned. Goldsmith makes use of conceptualist tactics to defamiliarize language (in this case the language of journalism and advertising) through a reframing i= n order to produce poetic texts. Johnson is taking a work of conceptualist poetry as his source, and turning it into more conceptualist poetry .... no such radical defamiliarization of language has occurred (in other words, no poetry is produced through a shift of the text's framework). Moreover, the act by Johnson will not lead to legal action --- Goldsmith suing over somebody stealing his previously stolen text .... the thought is absurd. The original act by Goldsmith is the only one subject to legal action. In any case, whether or not a poetic act is subject to legal action is no source or guarantor of its artistic value. Jonathan On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Jeffrey Side wrote: > Jonathan, please see my blog on this, where I say: > > 'Incidentally, it could be said that Johnson=92s appropriation of > Goldsmith=92s =93work=94 is, perhaps, the more innovative and audacious a= ct > in comparison to Goldsmith=92s =93original=94 gesture, which, I think mos= t will > recognise, was based on an already established artistic precedent.' > > > http://jeffrey-side.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:35:34 -0500, Jonathan Ball > wrote: > > >I want to say that I'm not annoyed by Johnson's DAY. I am new to > this list > >and don't really know who Johnson is, he seems to have a longer > history with > >this list (somebody mentioned that he was banned from it, for > reasons I > >don't know about). I think his project is intended as a joke, but since > it > >is being presented and supported by some as serious work, I just > want to > >talk about whether or not it stands or falls as serious work. It certain= ly > >succeeds as a joke. > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Adam Katz > wrote: > > > >> > > >> > What if one took the annoyed response to > >> > Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted > >> > >> > >> Not to answer this question one way or another, but to point out > that, were > >> this reaction what he was going for, that still doesn't make it > a "good" > >> thing to have gone for. It may very well be, though. > >> a > >> > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) > >Sessional Instructor > >University of Manitoba > >University of Winnipeg > > > >www.jonathanball.com > > > >=93If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate > him.=94 -- > >Farley Mowat > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) Sessional Instructor University of Manitoba University of Winnipeg www.jonathanball.com =93If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate him.= =94 -- Farley Mowat =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:54:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Ball Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What bothers me about comments like Johnson's remark on how Kenny's use of conceptualist tactics is old hat, and Goldsmith's comments that writing is 40 years behind painting (itself an appropriation of a Brion Gysin quote) is that they both make use of a false notion of progress. As if there were some timeline extending into the future, and the arts were all racing to get to the end, and attain their perfect and final forms ..... this is what I mean when I complain of the fetishization of the new. The art world as a horse race: "Painting takes the lead over writing, oh, and writing is left in the dust!" Regardless of how "old" conceptualism is in the art world, it is relatively "new" in the poetry world. And even if it wasn't, who cares? The debate, to me, has nothing to do with who was there first or what is going on in the visual arts. It has to do with which of two identical texts could be considered poetically more interesting in light of the conceptualist underpinnings of the practice which produced them. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:06:16 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson Comments: To: azreel1138@GMAIL.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Other aspects of the artistic practices of KG and KJ are worth considering.= KG has brought Abbie Hoffman's Steal This Book to vital and extraordinary= development in the stunning super-energizing panoramic UbuWeb. He's also = an A1 performer: live, on paper, and conceptually. Ever seen/heard/sat = under his Bern Porter piece? I agree with Maria that he's a LOT of fun. = KJ is kinda fun too, and appeals just as heartily to some senses of humor = as KG does to mine. The work often seems mean to me, not just mean-spirite= d but flimsy. A lot of what KG is doing is energizing the poetry world by = importing and writing (in VERY large letters) ideas from the art world. = KJ, to me, is a kind of policeman (CIA man?), setting off small bombs to = injure poets, or at least crumple their horny toe-nails. This policeman = is an upstanding citizen as teacher and translator though, maybe he even = loves poetry there. But at night, he puts on his little cape, and runs = round sticking needles into things .....YIKES now he's heading for me.... >>> Jonathan Ball 10/02/09 9:39 AM >>> Thanks Jeffrey, however I did read your post when you originally sent it around. My original point is to take issue with your statement, as I claim that there is nothing innovative or audacious about this appropriation by Johnson. Its conceptual value is not to earmark thievery as art, or to question categories of authorship --- both dry, boring notions by now --- but rather to extend to its logical extreme the rhetoric of a conceptualist= like Goldsmith. My point is that Goldsmith's rhetoric of conceptulist value being the only value is already dry and boring. What makes Goldsmith's texts, such as = DAY, innovative and audacious works is the actual poetic richness of the texts produced under these "uncreative" constraints, not the their conceptualist underpinnings. Therefore, Johnson's act, aside from being hamfisted = satire, is just "more of the same" insofar as conceptualist writing is concerned. Goldsmith makes use of conceptualist tactics to defamiliarize language (in this case the language of journalism and advertising) through a reframing = in order to produce poetic texts. Johnson is taking a work of conceptualist poetry as his source, and turning it into more conceptualist poetry .... = no such radical defamiliarization of language has occurred (in other words, = no poetry is produced through a shift of the text's framework). Moreover, the act by Johnson will not lead to legal action --- Goldsmith suing over somebody stealing his previously stolen text .... the thought = is absurd. The original act by Goldsmith is the only one subject to legal action. In any case, whether or not a poetic act is subject to legal = action is no source or guarantor of its artistic value. Jonathan On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Jeffrey Side wrote: > Jonathan, please see my blog on this, where I say: > > 'Incidentally, it could be said that Johnson's appropriation of > Goldsmith's "work" is, perhaps, the more innovative and audacious act > in comparison to Goldsmith's "original" gesture, which, I think most = will > recognise, was based on an already established artistic precedent.' > > > http://jeffrey-side.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:35:34 -0500, Jonathan Ball > wrote: > > >I want to say that I'm not annoyed by Johnson's DAY. I am new to > this list > >and don't really know who Johnson is, he seems to have a longer > history with > >this list (somebody mentioned that he was banned from it, for > reasons I > >don't know about). I think his project is intended as a joke, but since > it > >is being presented and supported by some as serious work, I just > want to > >talk about whether or not it stands or falls as serious work. It = certainly > >succeeds as a joke. > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Adam Katz > wrote: > > > >> > > >> > What if one took the annoyed response to > >> > Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted > >> > >> > >> Not to answer this question one way or another, but to point out > that, were > >> this reaction what he was going for, that still doesn't make it > a "good" > >> thing to have gone for. It may very well be, though. > >> a > >> > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) > >Sessional Instructor > >University of Manitoba > >University of Winnipeg > > > >www.jonathanball.com > > > >"If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate > him." -- > >Farley Mowat > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) Sessional Instructor University of Manitoba University of Winnipeg www.jonathanball.com "If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate him." = -- Farley Mowat =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:32:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Two Twomorrow -- NYC Comments: To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable **************MANHATTAN The New York Public Library: Grand Central Branch =E2=80=93=C2=A0135 East 4= 6th Street NY, NYOctober 3rd @ 2 PM=E2=80=93 Shanna Compton, Nada Gordon an= d Amy King Shanna Compton=C2=A0is the author of For Girls (& Others) (Bloof Books, 200= 8), Down Spooky (Winnow, 2005), GAMERS (Soft Skull, 2004), and several chap= books. Her poems and essays have appeared widely, including Best American P= oetry 2005, McSweeney=E2=80=99s, the Poetry Foundation website, and the for= thcoming Flarf anthology. Recent poems and an essay may be found in the ten= th anniversary issue of LIT. She blogs desultorily at=C2=A0shannacompton.co= m.Nada Gordon=E2=80=99s=C2=A0books include V. Imp., Are Not Your Lowing Hei= fers Sleeker Than Night-Swollen Mushrooms, Swoon (with Gary Sullivan) and F= oriegn Bodi, and Folly (2007). Visit her blog at=C2=A0http://ululate.blogsp= ot.comAmy King=C2=A0is the author of I=E2=80=99m the Man Who Loves You and = Antidotes for an Alibi, and forthcoming, I Want to Make You Safe and Slaves= to Do These Things. She teaches English and Creative Writing at Nassau Com= munity College and curates=C2=A0the Brooklyn-based reading series, The Stai= n of Poetry. For more information, please visit=C2=A0amyking.org *****************BROOKLYN EOAGH Issue 5 First Launch Event SATURDAY, OCT 3rd @8 PM Unnameable Books 600 Vanderbilt Ave, BrooklynThis event is co-sponsored by Chax Press8:00 Am= y King 8:15 Jeremy James Thompson 8:30 Mark Lamoureux 8:45 Christie Ann Reynolds 9:00 Eric Lindley 9:15 Bill Marsh 9:30 Adeena Karasick 9:45 Matthew RotandoAmy King=C2=A0is the author of I=E2=80=99m the Man Who = Loves You and, and forthcoming, I Want to Make You Safe and Slaves to do Th= ese Things. She curates the Brooklyn-based reading series, The Stain of Poe= try. For more information, please visit amyking.org.Jeremy James Thompson= =C2=A0is an instructor at New York=E2=80=99s Center for Book Arts, as well = as curator of the reading series TEXTFORM. His work focuses on the process = of collaboration, the reinvention of propaganda, and the defining of a prac= tical avant-garde.Mark Lamoureux=C2=A0lives in Astoria, NY. He is the autho= r of Astronomy Organon (Blazevox) and 5 chapbooks. In 2006 he started Cy Gi= st Press, a micropress focusing on ekphrastic poetry.Christie Ann Reynolds= =C2=A0is a native New Yorker. She is the 2009 winner of The New School Chap= book Contest, chosen by Brenda Shaughnessy. Her first full-length manuscrip= t will be published by Black Maze Books in the summer of 2010. She lives on= the undetermined border of Queens and Brooklyn.Eric Lindley=C2=A0loves language like a baby loves = life; that is, fearfully, perversely, inscrutably, and currently working as= a robot-builder, electro-folk musician, and psycholinguist.Bill Marsh=C2= =A0co-directs Factory School and edits the Heretical Texts series. He also = curates NoDiff.com, a social networking site for his students at Queensboro= ugh Community College.Adeena Karasick=C2=A0is a poet, media-artist and the = award-winning author of six books of poetry and poetic theory, most recentl= y Amuse Bouche: Tasty Treats for the Mouth (Talonbooks 2009).Matthew Rotand= o=E2=80=99s first book of poems, The Comeback=E2=80=99s Exoskeleton, (with = a foreward by Tim Peterson) is available from Upset Press. He is a member o= f POG, a collective of artists and poets in Tucson, Arizona.http://amyking.= wordpress.com/2009/10/01/two-this-saturday-october-3rd/ _______ NEW BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm -- For a re= view copy, please email me directly.=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:25:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Sarai Subject: 3 reviews: Steve Tills, Kristin Prevallet, Larissa Shmailo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Steve Tills' *Rugh Stuff* http://my3000lovingarms.blogspot.com/2009/09/beckett-on-golf- course-steve-tills-rugh.html Kristin Prevallet's *I, Afterlife*=20 http://my3000lovingarms.blogspot.com/2009/10/i-afterlife-response- to-kristin.html Larissa Shmailo's *A Cure for Suicide* http://my3000lovingarms.blogspot.com/2009/05/cure-for-suicide-by- larissa-shmailo.html There is no expiration date on poetry. :-) Sarah Sarai http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ss2.htm http://www.spdbooks.org/Search/Default.aspx? AuthorName=3Dsarah+sarai =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:36:21 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: judith goldman Subject: Chicago, Thurs., Oct. 8th: NOT TO BE MISSED! Readings by Brandon Brown and Daniel Borzutzky MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are cordially invited to an evening of reading / performance on Thursday, October 8th, 7:30 to 11pm Poetry / micro-fiction / cross-genre / translation readings by Brandon Brown, visiting from San Francisco, CA & Daniel Borzutzky, who lives here in Chicago, IL Readings will begin at 8pm These writers are funny, tragic, passionate, irreverent and devotional, multilingual and obsessed with (not to say acting out on) the profounder issues and minutiae of translation and inter-textuality. Readings not to miss! This event is hosted by Judith Goldman, a Chicago-area poet and postdoctora= l fellow / assistant professor at the University of Chicago. Location: 5517 N. Paulina St., 1 (Andersonville). *[See more on event location / directions to site below writer bios and sample texts.]* ************* *The Working Day Lady Died* * * It=92s 1349 on the fief and I=92ve got 163 holidays my colleagues and their offspring know Bastille Day is no holiday! so I just get my joints scuffed because I go straight from one demarcated zone without my species essence to chaos: sweet, domestic, and high; filling it with mescal and snuck smokes, head out the window like a fucking crane. some of my colleagues shrug about =93every day a beating=94, it=92s all abstraction and no nectar. Little lambs love to watch their friends sheared. My batsuit. My shred passports. My dead co-workers. Dead on Bastille Day, weird. *Brandon Brown* is from Kansas City, Missouri. Poems recently in *Brooklyn Rail, Try!, Sprung Formal, West Wind Review. *His friends have published chapbooks. *Memoirs of My Nervous Illness *(Cy Press), *908-1078 *(Transmission), *Camels! *(Taxt) and the forthcoming *Wondrous Things I Have Seen *(Mitzvah Chaps). He publishes small press books under the imprint OMG! and in Octobe= r 2009 will be guest blogging at poetryproject.org. See more of Brandon Brown=92s work at: http://www.deepoakland.org/text?id=3D268 http://www.kswnet.org/fire/wmag-displaypage.cfm?wmagreturn=3D6 http://www.durationpress.com/ http://chax.org/eoagh/issue3/issuethree/brown.html http://www.brooklynrail.org/2009/02/poetry/six-from-lunch-poems * * ************* *The Book of Decomposition* It is in the tranquillity of decomposition that I remember the long confuse= d emotion which was my life. Samuel Beckett, *Molloy* Here the reader rots alongside of the book and its characters. A man in the opening chapter pulls strands of hair off his head; the reader does the same. A man feels maggots crawling all over his skin; the reader feels the same. The book begins in a butcher shop that has been looted by poor bodies that tear out cow intestines and unravel them in the dead grass behind the butcher=92s shed. The bodies see books in the intestines whose characters a= re their mirror images, and the bodies grow terrified of themselves. They run into the woods but they hate nature so they take shelter in the stables where rotten bodies hide in the hay. The dead bodies in this stable are countries and the protagonist says USA USA your assets are rotten you are dying and Haiti your huts have flooded and your citizens kill for bread and beans and New Orleans your bodies float in puddles of shit hey China your babies are drinking poisoned milk and Mexico your peasants cannot hear or see and in the USA the assets are rotten the Bolivians sell less coke on Wall Street the Iranians don=92t have enough money to blow Israel off the m= ap the Russians can=92t build new weapons to sell to the Syrians and Venezuela= ns the Cuban doctors and prostitutes service bodies that live far away the nations conduct business in body parts here are the legs of our citizens we will trade you for arms and kidneys and here take these eyes and livers and give us hearts and tongues and intestines. Full stop. Period. In the end it=92s unclear if it=92s the reader or the characters who request some form= of movement to free the bodies from the sorcery of global capital. Nevertheless, the request is granted and the book ends happily with the entrance of a saint who has so much love that he heals the sores of the bodies with his tongue and prepares them once more to succeed as cosmopolitan bodies in a ring of fantastically interconnected commerce. The book ends with a giant ejaculation behind the butcher shop where the bodies rub against each other as if there were no barriers to keep them from consummating their fiscal intimacies. And in the final scene water streams off the pages, cleansing the skin of the readers in a climax of diluvial bubbling. Daniel Borzutzky's books include *The Book of Interfering Bodies *(Nightboa= t Books, forthcoming), *The Ecstasy of Capitulation *(BlazeVox, 2007), *Arbit= rary Tales *(Triple Press, 2005), and the chapbooks *One Size Fits All *(Scantil= y Clad Press, 2009) and *Failure in the Imagination* (Bronze Skull Press, 2007). He is the translator of *Song for his Disappeared Love *by Raul Zurita (Action Books, forthcoming); *Port Trakl *by Jaime Luis Huen=FAn (Action Books, 2008); and *One Year and other stories* by Juan Emar, which was published as a special issue of the Review of Contemporary Fiction. Journal publications include *Fence; Chicago Review; TriQuarterly; Action, Yes; Conjunctions; Words Without Borders; Circumference; American Letters and Commentary; Mandorla; Denver Quarterly* and many others. He lives in Chicago, and is a faculty member in the English Department at Wright College. His website is www.danielborzutzky.com. See more of Daniel Borzutzky=92s work online: http://www.milkmag.org/BORZUTZKY9.html http://www.diodepoetry.com/v1n3/content/borzutzky_d.html http://www.wheelhousemagazine.com/press/BORZUTZKY.pdf http://intranslation.brooklynrail.org/spanish/chile-is-the-name-of-my-fathe= r ************* READING LOCATION INFORMATION Judith Goldman=92s residence: 5517 N. Paulina Ave, #1=97about 6 blocks north of Foster, between Catalpa a= nd Gregory; Paulina is one block west of Ashland. PLEASE NOTE: This location is unfortunately not wheelchair accessible. DIRECTIONS FROM CTA RED LINE From the Bryn Mawr stop: walk west from Broadway to Paulina, about =BD mile (it=92s a 12-15 min. walk). Turn left at Paulina and walk 1 1/2 blocks (my building is about 3 houses down from the corner of Paulina and Gregory). Email jgoldman1@uchicago.edu or goldman.judith@gmail.com with any questions. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:38:16 -0500 Reply-To: dgodston@gmail.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Godston Organization: Borderbend Arts Collective Subject: Chicago Calling at Mercury Cafe and Brown Rice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are invited to attend these two Chicago Calling Arts Festival events happening tonight --=20 =20 Chicago Calling at Mercury Caf=E9=20 Friday, October 2, 2009 (6:00-9:00 p.m.) =20 Vittorio Carli (poetry) and Carolyn Curtis Magri (visual art) =20 Leonard De Montbrun (Chicago) and Don Coorough (Arizona) -- poetry collaboration =20 poetry and music collaboration with Elizabeth Harper (Chicago), Faux = Paul (New Haven, CT), and Ben Erickson (Milford, CT) =20 Rachel Javellana (Chicago) and Donna Collins (Detroit) -- poetry collaboration =20 Elizabeth Marino (Chicago) -- poetry collaboration =20 Matt Barton (Chicago) and Poggio Trattoria (San Francisco) =20 Cathleen Schandelmeier (Chicago) -- poetry collaboration=20 =20 Charlie Newman (Chicago) and Steven Schroeder (China) -- poetry collaboration =20 collaboration between Bob Rashkow (poetry / Chicago) and Tony Renner = (visual art / St. Louis) =20 Janina Ciezadlo (Chicago), Asrini Bambang Widjanarko, (Indonesia), Joy = Posse (North Dakota), Penelope Rosemont (Chicago), Helene Smith Romer = (Chicago), Leanne Hasse Goeble (Colorado), Mike Perkovich (Chicago), Nancy Van = Kanegan (Chicago), and Owen Land (Los Angeles) -- poetry collaboration =20 Novica Tadic (Serbia) and Steven and Maja Teref (Chicago) -- poetry translation project =20 Sid Yiddish (Chicago), in collaboration with Clean Boys (=C5rhus, = Denmark) =20 This event is free and open to the public. =20 Mercury Caf=E9=20 1505 W. Chicago Ave.=20 Chicago, IL 60642-5237=20 (312) 455-9922 http://chimercurycafe.com/ =20 =20 * * *=20 =20 Chicago Calling at Brown Rice=20 Friday, October 2, 2009 (10:00-11:30 p.m.) =20 featuring two sets of sound, music, and films: =20 1st set: performance by Chicago Phonography =20 2nd set: Set of live music, while videos by Jayve Montgomery, Annie = Heckman, and Mikey Peterson are projected. Performers include:=20 Gregory O=92Drobinak -- Arc of the Oven / Chicago Jayve Montgomery -- saxophones and percussion Jim Ryan -- kalimba / Oakland Williwaw -- amplified ukulele / Edinburgh Ernesto Sturm Diaz-Infante San Francisco Ritwik Banerji -- saxophone / Chicago Steve Dalanchinsky poetry -- New York City Jon Godston -- soprano saxophone / Chicago=20 Michael Staron -- bass / Chicago Jimmy Bennington -- drums / Chicago =20 $5 suggested donation =20 Brown Rice 4432 N. Kedzie Ave., 1st floor=20 Chicago, IL 60625 http://www.brownricemusic.org=20 http://www.chicagophonography.org=20 http://www.chicagocalling.org=20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:57:36 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For me, Thoreau's going to jail for his civil disobedience (even if only fo= r a day) is a piece of conceptual art. In fact, he may be the first conceptua= l artist, at least, in the United States. That act itself is followed by words, the essay "Civil Disobedience," which actualy isl a manifesto of conceptual gesture transformed into political act. Let's face it, neither Goldsmith nor Johnson expect to go to jail for their acts. Both lack, I think, an element of risk. Therefore, essentially they become conversation pieces as conceptual works. On the other hand, *Doubled Flowering* is truly a conceptual gesture, and John has paid and is still paying a price for it. I have a question: how many on this list has read Goldsmith's work through? Jonathan, have you read it through? I am curious how many of us are talking about works that we actually read? What does reading of a conceptual mean? Is it the same as any other reading? Jonathan, talking about the "richness" of Goldsmith's text, you are implying that you have read it through. Have you done so? Ciao, Murat On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Jonathan Ball wrote: > Thanks Jeffrey, however I did read your post when you originally sent it > around. My original point is to take issue with your statement, as I clai= m > that there is nothing innovative or audacious about this appropriation by > Johnson. Its conceptual value is not to earmark thievery as art, or to > question categories of authorship --- both dry, boring notions by now --- > but rather to extend to its logical extreme the rhetoric of a conceptuali= st > like Goldsmith. > > My point is that Goldsmith's rhetoric of conceptulist value being the onl= y > value is already dry and boring. What makes Goldsmith's texts, such as DA= Y, > innovative and audacious works is the actual poetic richness of the texts > produced under these "uncreative" constraints, not the their conceptualis= t > underpinnings. Therefore, Johnson's act, aside from being hamfisted satir= e, > is just "more of the same" insofar as conceptualist writing is concerned. > Goldsmith makes use of conceptualist tactics to defamiliarize language (i= n > this case the language of journalism and advertising) through a reframing > in > order to produce poetic texts. Johnson is taking a work of conceptualist > poetry as his source, and turning it into more conceptualist poetry .... = no > such radical defamiliarization of language has occurred (in other words, = no > poetry is produced through a shift of the text's framework). > > Moreover, the act by Johnson will not lead to legal action --- Goldsmith > suing over somebody stealing his previously stolen text .... the thought = is > absurd. The original act by Goldsmith is the only one subject to legal > action. In any case, whether or not a poetic act is subject to legal acti= on > is no source or guarantor of its artistic value. > > Jonathan > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Jeffrey Side wrote: > > > Jonathan, please see my blog on this, where I say: > > > > 'Incidentally, it could be said that Johnson=92s appropriation of > > Goldsmith=92s =93work=94 is, perhaps, the more innovative and audacious= act > > in comparison to Goldsmith=92s =93original=94 gesture, which, I think m= ost will > > recognise, was based on an already established artistic precedent.' > > > > > > http://jeffrey-side.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:35:34 -0500, Jonathan Ball > > wrote: > > > > >I want to say that I'm not annoyed by Johnson's DAY. I am new to > > this list > > >and don't really know who Johnson is, he seems to have a longer > > history with > > >this list (somebody mentioned that he was banned from it, for > > reasons I > > >don't know about). I think his project is intended as a joke, but sinc= e > > it > > >is being presented and supported by some as serious work, I just > > want to > > >talk about whether or not it stands or falls as serious work. It > certainly > > >succeeds as a joke. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Adam Katz > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > >> > What if one took the annoyed response to > > >> > Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted > > >> > > >> > > >> Not to answer this question one way or another, but to point out > > that, were > > >> this reaction what he was going for, that still doesn't make it > > a "good" > > >> thing to have gone for. It may very well be, though. > > >> a > > >> > > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > > guidelines > > >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) > > >Sessional Instructor > > >University of Manitoba > > >University of Winnipeg > > > > > >www.jonathanball.com > > > > > >=93If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate > > him.=94 -- > > >Farley Mowat > > > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > -- > Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) > Sessional Instructor > University of Manitoba > University of Winnipeg > > www.jonathanball.com > > =93If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate him= .=94 > -- > Farley Mowat > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:59:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable what would oliver goldsmith & samuel johnson have to say about all this? On 10/2/09 6:48 AM, "Jeffrey Side" wrote: > Jonathan, please see my blog on this, where I say: >=20 > 'Incidentally, it could be said that Johnson=B9s appropriation of > Goldsmith=B9s =B3work=B2 is, perhaps, the more innovative and audacious act > in comparison to Goldsmith=B9s =B3original=B2 gesture, which, I think most will > recognise, was based on an already established artistic precedent.' >=20 >=20 > http://jeffrey-side.blogspot.com/ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:35:34 -0500, Jonathan Ball > wrote: >=20 >> I want to say that I'm not annoyed by Johnson's DAY. I am new to > this list >> and don't really know who Johnson is, he seems to have a longer > history with >> this list (somebody mentioned that he was banned from it, for > reasons I >> don't know about). I think his project is intended as a joke, but since > it >> is being presented and supported by some as serious work, I just > want to >> talk about whether or not it stands or falls as serious work. It certain= ly >> succeeds as a joke. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Adam Katz > wrote: >>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> What if one took the annoyed response to >>>> Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Not to answer this question one way or another, but to point out > that, were >>> this reaction what he was going for, that still doesn't make it > a "good" >>> thing to have gone for. It may very well be, though. >>> a >>>=20 >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) >> Sessional Instructor >> University of Manitoba >> University of Winnipeg >>=20 >> www.jonathanball.com >>=20 >> =B3If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate > him.=B2 -- >> Farley Mowat >>=20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:54:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Tribbey, Hugh R." Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: A MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So much of the "shunning of wannabes" in these situational fiefdoms is = hidden in judgments of "good." Makes the whole business a bit silly. = So seeking an objective process to engage in may make more sense. The = products of applied concepts or objective procedures are often "awful" = by conventional consensus, but "awful" is often more interesting than = "good." There's more than "entertainment value" involved. The awful = can yield insight and trigger creativity. Some people become fascinated = by melon molds and bat guano. -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On = Behalf Of Jonathan Ball Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:03 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson Bobby, I think you've put your finger on something --- regardless of Goldsmith's stance, I disagree with a basic tenant of conceptualist art, that the concept is everything, or "the charge [is] in the concept" as Mair=E9ad more elegantly puts it. The facility of the execution and the richness of the end result maintain their lustre, and I think it is a mistake for Goldsmith and his ilk to eschew these "traditional" values = in a fetishization of newness that belies the facility and the poetic = richness of their works. For all of Goldsmith's boisterous contempt for originality, = he is producing original texts that are worth reading. That's right ... = Kenny Goldsmith's books are WORTH READING. Appropriation and = recontextualization is old hat, as you say, insofar as artistic tactics are concerned, but = old though they may be these tactics can still produce good work. In short, = I disagree with Goldsmith and consider a text like DAY both readable and interesting, full of poetic richness. Johnson's DAY is not as = interesting to me because it is a perfect example of the kind of empty conceptualism = which Goldsmith CLAIMS to practice, when in fact his writing is more = interesting than his soundbites regarding same. Of course, since the texts are identical, Johnson's book is just as "rich" as Kenny's. But where Kenny produced a "uncreative" and yet, in another sense, "original" poetic = text through the application of an artistic technique, Johnson is merely satirizing Goldsmith's pose. Jonathan Or maybe you take Goldsmith's word for it that "In conceptual writing the idea or concept is the most important aspect of the work. When an author uses a conceptual form of writing, it means that all of the planning and decisions are made beforehand and the execution is a perfunctory affair." If that's the case, then tell me, please, what makes Goldsmith's idea interesting? Given that the same idea has been had, and executed, by thousands of others, including Richard Prince, Sherri Levine, and anyone who's "written" a found poem, why should we see Goldsmith's project as any more or any less interesting than Johnson's? But here's a thought: what if the dismissal of Kent's DAY as "superficially interesting" was exactly the point of his project? I don't say that it is; Kent can speak to that (or could, if he weren't banned from this list, though I'm sure he'll find a way to participate somehow). But what if? What if one took the annoyed response to Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted, since it proved the fact--which you may take to be obvious, but which no one seems willing to publicly acknowledge--that there is a bright line between the kind of people whose uncreative writing allows them to reap every reward the culture industry has to offer-publication, glossy magazine interviews, fellowships and tenured academic positions--and those whose *identical* uncreative writing gets them shunned as wannabes? And what if that bright line has nothing to do with the work, or the ideas behind the work, and everything to do with the fact that one has gone to the right schools, lived in the right cities, and licked the right boots? I think you'd have to admit that it's a superficially interesting thought, at the very least. Bobby =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:41:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Jonathon, In fairness to Kenny, I haven=92t read Day so I can=92t take issue with y= ou=20 over whether it defamiliarises language any more than any other=20 borrowed verbatim prose texts do.=20 Even if it this were so, I=92m not sure that defamiliarising language is = in=20 itself an exceptionally important measure of poetic achievement, any=20 more than a novel use of punctuation would be. Nor can I see how your=20 following statement expresses anything other than your personal=20 opinion: =91What makes Goldsmith's texts, such as DAY, innovative and audacious=20= works is the actual poetic richness of the texts produced under=20 these "uncreative" constraints, not the their conceptualist=20 underpinnings.=92=20 Both points seem to me incidental to the conceptualising of theft as an=20= artistic act.=20 =20 On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:39:31 -0500, Jonathan Ball=20 wrote: >Thanks Jeffrey, however I did read your post when you originally sent it= >around. My original point is to take issue with your statement, as I=20 claim >that there is nothing innovative or audacious about this appropriation=20= by >Johnson. Its conceptual value is not to earmark thievery as art, or to >question categories of authorship --- both dry, boring notions by now --= - >but rather to extend to its logical extreme the rhetoric of a=20 conceptualist >like Goldsmith. > >My point is that Goldsmith's rhetoric of conceptulist value being the=20= only >value is already dry and boring. What makes Goldsmith's texts, such=20 as DAY, >innovative and audacious works is the actual poetic richness of the=20 texts >produced under these "uncreative" constraints, not the their=20 conceptualist >underpinnings. Therefore, Johnson's act, aside from being hamfisted=20 satire, >is just "more of the same" insofar as conceptualist writing is=20 concerned. >Goldsmith makes use of conceptualist tactics to defamiliarize=20 language (in >this case the language of journalism and advertising) through a=20 reframing in >order to produce poetic texts. Johnson is taking a work of conceptualist= >poetry as his source, and turning it into more conceptualist poetry ....= =20 no >such radical defamiliarization of language has occurred (in other=20 words, no >poetry is produced through a shift of the text's framework). > >Moreover, the act by Johnson will not lead to legal action --- Goldsmith= >suing over somebody stealing his previously stolen text .... the=20 thought is >absurd. The original act by Goldsmith is the only one subject to legal >action. In any case, whether or not a poetic act is subject to legal=20 action >is no source or guarantor of its artistic value. > >Jonathan > > > >On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Jeffrey Side =20 wrote: > >> Jonathan, please see my blog on this, where I say: >> >> 'Incidentally, it could be said that Johnson=92s appropriation of >> Goldsmith=92s =93work=94 is, perhaps, the more innovative and audaciou= s=20 act >> in comparison to Goldsmith=92s =93original=94 gesture, which, I think = most=20 will >> recognise, was based on an already established artistic precedent.' >> >> >> http://jeffrey-side.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:35:34 -0500, Jonathan Ball >> wrote: >> >> >I want to say that I'm not annoyed by Johnson's DAY. I am new to >> this list >> >and don't really know who Johnson is, he seems to have a longer >> history with >> >this list (somebody mentioned that he was banned from it, for >> reasons I >> >don't know about). I think his project is intended as a joke, but=20 since >> it >> >is being presented and supported by some as serious work, I just >> want to >> >talk about whether or not it stands or falls as serious work. It=20 certainly >> >succeeds as a joke. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Adam Katz >> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >> > What if one took the annoyed response to >> >> > Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted >> >> >> >> >> >> Not to answer this question one way or another, but to point out >> that, were >> >> this reaction what he was going for, that still doesn't make it >> a "good" >> >> thing to have gone for. It may very well be, though. >> >> a >> >> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Chec= k >> guidelines >> >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) >> >Sessional Instructor >> >University of Manitoba >> >University of Winnipeg >> > >> >www.jonathanball.com >> > >> >=93If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate= >> him.=94 -- >> >Farley Mowat >> > >> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20= guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > > >--=20 >Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) >Sessional Instructor >University of Manitoba >University of Winnipeg > >www.jonathanball.com > >=93If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate=20= him.=94 -- >Farley Mowat > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20 guidelines & sub/unsub info:=20 http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:54:23 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Mairead, But being fun as a measure of artistic worth is not being questioned by=20= Kent? What he is questioning are concepts of authorship in relation to=20= literary theft. On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:06:16 -0400, Mairead Byrne=20 wrote: >Other aspects of the artistic practices of KG and KJ are worth=20 considering. KG has brought Abbie Hoffman's Steal This Book to vital=20 and extraordinary development in the stunning super-energizing=20 panoramic UbuWeb. He's also an A1 performer: live, on paper, and=20 conceptually. Ever seen/heard/sat under his Bern Porter piece? I agree=20= with Maria that he's a LOT of fun. KJ is kinda fun too, and appeals just= =20 as heartily to some senses of humor as KG does to mine. The work=20 often seems mean to me, not just mean-spirited but flimsy. A lot of=20 what KG is doing is energizing the poetry world by importing and writing=20= (in VERY large letters) ideas from the art world. KJ, to me, is a kind o= f=20 policeman (CIA man?), setting off small bombs to injure poets, or at=20 least crumple their horny toe-nails. This policeman is an upstanding=20 citizen as teacher and translator though, maybe he even loves poetry=20 there. But at night, he puts on his little cape, and runs round sticking= =20 needles into things .....YIKES now he's heading for me.... > > >>>> Jonathan Ball 10/02/09 9:39 AM >>> >Thanks Jeffrey, however I did read your post when you originally sent it= >around. My original point is to take issue with your statement, as I=20 claim >that there is nothing innovative or audacious about this appropriation=20= by >Johnson. Its conceptual value is not to earmark thievery as art, or to >question categories of authorship --- both dry, boring notions by now --= - >but rather to extend to its logical extreme the rhetoric of a=20 conceptualist >like Goldsmith. > >My point is that Goldsmith's rhetoric of conceptulist value being the=20= only >value is already dry and boring. What makes Goldsmith's texts, such=20 as DAY, >innovative and audacious works is the actual poetic richness of the=20 texts >produced under these "uncreative" constraints, not the their=20 conceptualist >underpinnings. Therefore, Johnson's act, aside from being hamfisted=20 satire, >is just "more of the same" insofar as conceptualist writing is=20 concerned. >Goldsmith makes use of conceptualist tactics to defamiliarize=20 language (in >this case the language of journalism and advertising) through a=20 reframing in >order to produce poetic texts. Johnson is taking a work of conceptualist= >poetry as his source, and turning it into more conceptualist poetry ....= =20 no >such radical defamiliarization of language has occurred (in other=20 words, no >poetry is produced through a shift of the text's framework). > >Moreover, the act by Johnson will not lead to legal action --- Goldsmith= >suing over somebody stealing his previously stolen text .... the=20 thought is >absurd. The original act by Goldsmith is the only one subject to legal >action. In any case, whether or not a poetic act is subject to legal=20 action >is no source or guarantor of its artistic value. > >Jonathan > > > >On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Jeffrey Side =20 wrote: > >> Jonathan, please see my blog on this, where I say: >> >> 'Incidentally, it could be said that Johnson's appropriation of >> Goldsmith's "work" is, perhaps, the more innovative and audacious=20 act >> in comparison to Goldsmith's "original" gesture, which, I think most=20= will >> recognise, was based on an already established artistic precedent.' >> >> >> http://jeffrey-side.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:35:34 -0500, Jonathan Ball >> wrote: >> >> >I want to say that I'm not annoyed by Johnson's DAY. I am new to >> this list >> >and don't really know who Johnson is, he seems to have a longer >> history with >> >this list (somebody mentioned that he was banned from it, for >> reasons I >> >don't know about). I think his project is intended as a joke, but=20 since >> it >> >is being presented and supported by some as serious work, I just >> want to >> >talk about whether or not it stands or falls as serious work. It=20 certainly >> >succeeds as a joke. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Adam Katz >> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >> > What if one took the annoyed response to >> >> > Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted >> >> >> >> >> >> Not to answer this question one way or another, but to point out >> that, were >> >> this reaction what he was going for, that still doesn't make it >> a "good" >> >> thing to have gone for. It may very well be, though. >> >> a >> >> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Chec= k >> guidelines >> >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) >> >Sessional Instructor >> >University of Manitoba >> >University of Winnipeg >> > >> >www.jonathanball.com >> > >> >"If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate >> him." -- >> >Farley Mowat >> > >> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20= guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > > >--=20 >Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) >Sessional Instructor >University of Manitoba >University of Winnipeg > >www.jonathanball.com > >"If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate=20 him." -- >Farley Mowat > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20 guidelines & sub/unsub info:=20 http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20 guidelines & sub/unsub info:=20 http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:10:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christopher Leland Winks Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A lor of verbiage on Kent Johnson's taking the piss out of Kenneth Goldsmith, who richly deserves it as another one of those necrophiles brandishing (among other gestures) the cryogenically-preserved (freeze-dried?) corpse of a "conceptual" art sans concepts, sans art, sans eyes, sans everything. But while I like the joke, is it really worth killing so many trees just to play one? ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:08:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0910020857h411567r1030955adfdc12bd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I meant "Kent," not "John" paid a price for *Doubled Flowering*. Ciao, Murat On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote= : > For me, Thoreau's going to jail for his civil disobedience (even if only > for a day) is a piece of conceptual art. In fact, he may be the first > conceptual artist, at least, in the United States. That act itself is > followed by words, the essay "Civil Disobedience," which actualy isl a > manifesto of conceptual gesture transformed into political act. > > Let's face it, neither Goldsmith nor Johnson expect to go to jail for the= ir > acts. Both lack, I think, an element of risk. Therefore, essentially they > become conversation pieces as conceptual works. On the other hand, *Doubl= ed > Flowering* is truly a conceptual gesture, and John has paid and is still > paying a price for it. > > I have a question: how many on this list has read Goldsmith's work throug= h? > Jonathan, have you read it through? I am curious how many of us are talki= ng > about works that we actually read? What does reading of a conceptual mean= ? > Is it the same as any other reading? Jonathan, talking about the "richnes= s" > of Goldsmith's text, you are implying that you have read it through. Have > you done so? > > Ciao, > > Murat > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Jonathan Ball wrote= : > >> Thanks Jeffrey, however I did read your post when you originally sent it >> around. My original point is to take issue with your statement, as I cla= im >> that there is nothing innovative or audacious about this appropriation b= y >> Johnson. Its conceptual value is not to earmark thievery as art, or to >> question categories of authorship --- both dry, boring notions by now --= - >> but rather to extend to its logical extreme the rhetoric of a >> conceptualist >> like Goldsmith. >> >> My point is that Goldsmith's rhetoric of conceptulist value being the on= ly >> value is already dry and boring. What makes Goldsmith's texts, such as >> DAY, >> innovative and audacious works is the actual poetic richness of the text= s >> produced under these "uncreative" constraints, not the their conceptuali= st >> underpinnings. Therefore, Johnson's act, aside from being hamfisted >> satire, >> is just "more of the same" insofar as conceptualist writing is concerned= . >> Goldsmith makes use of conceptualist tactics to defamiliarize language (= in >> this case the language of journalism and advertising) through a reframin= g >> in >> order to produce poetic texts. Johnson is taking a work of conceptualist >> poetry as his source, and turning it into more conceptualist poetry .... >> no >> such radical defamiliarization of language has occurred (in other words, >> no >> poetry is produced through a shift of the text's framework). >> >> Moreover, the act by Johnson will not lead to legal action --- Goldsmith >> suing over somebody stealing his previously stolen text .... the thought >> is >> absurd. The original act by Goldsmith is the only one subject to legal >> action. In any case, whether or not a poetic act is subject to legal >> action >> is no source or guarantor of its artistic value. >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Jeffrey Side wrote= : >> >> > Jonathan, please see my blog on this, where I say: >> > >> > 'Incidentally, it could be said that Johnson=92s appropriation of >> > Goldsmith=92s =93work=94 is, perhaps, the more innovative and audaciou= s act >> > in comparison to Goldsmith=92s =93original=94 gesture, which, I think = most >> will >> > recognise, was based on an already established artistic precedent.' >> > >> > >> > http://jeffrey-side.blogspot.com/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:35:34 -0500, Jonathan Ball >> > wrote: >> > >> > >I want to say that I'm not annoyed by Johnson's DAY. I am new to >> > this list >> > >and don't really know who Johnson is, he seems to have a longer >> > history with >> > >this list (somebody mentioned that he was banned from it, for >> > reasons I >> > >don't know about). I think his project is intended as a joke, but sin= ce >> > it >> > >is being presented and supported by some as serious work, I just >> > want to >> > >talk about whether or not it stands or falls as serious work. It >> certainly >> > >succeeds as a joke. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Adam Katz >> > wrote: >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > What if one took the annoyed response to >> > >> > Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Not to answer this question one way or another, but to point out >> > that, were >> > >> this reaction what he was going for, that still doesn't make it >> > a "good" >> > >> thing to have gone for. It may very well be, though. >> > >> a >> > >> >> > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> > guidelines >> > >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >-- >> > >Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) >> > >Sessional Instructor >> > >University of Manitoba >> > >University of Winnipeg >> > > >> > >www.jonathanball.com >> > > >> > >=93If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate >> > him.=94 -- >> > >Farley Mowat >> > > >> > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> > guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > >> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines >> > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) >> Sessional Instructor >> University of Manitoba >> University of Winnipeg >> >> www.jonathanball.com >> >> =93If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate hi= m.=94 >> -- >> Farley Mowat >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:47:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nick LoLordo Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <5f70e79d2025cb.4ac617d2@mail.nyu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Killing trees? Kent has merely killed a few stickers. It's Kenny who killed the trees; in this sense Kent's work, whatever one thinks of it otherwise, is at least arguably a more "conceptual" project..... On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Christopher Leland Winks wrote: > A lor of verbiage on Kent Johnson's taking the piss out of Kenneth > Goldsmith, who richly deserves it as another one of those necrophiles > brandishing (among other gestures) the cryogenically-preserved > (freeze-dried?) corpse of a "conceptual" art sans concepts, sans art, sans > eyes, sans everything. But while I like the joke, is it really worth > killing so many trees just to play one? > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- V. Nicholas LoLordo Assistant Professor Department of English University of Nevada-Las Vegas (702) 895-3623 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:02:39 +0530 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve dalachinsky Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well none of that shit is poesie conceptual or not hey guess what it might rain tonite and tomorrow they're predicting scattered showers On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:10:10 -0400 Christopher Leland Winks writes: > A lor of verbiage on Kent Johnson's taking the piss out of Kenneth > Goldsmith, who richly deserves it as another one of those > necrophiles brandishing (among other gestures) the > cryogenically-preserved (freeze-dried?) corpse of a "conceptual" art > sans concepts, sans art, sans eyes, sans everything. But while I > like the joke, is it really worth killing so many trees just to play > one? > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:14:36 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Nick, I agree. I've been trying to get this across here, but I think peop= le=20 just don't like Kent. I bet if Kent had done Day first and Kenny "stole"=20= it and published it people would say "Wow, what a great idea!".=20 Regarding Kenny=92s artistic strategies=85. when he says: =91On the contrary, we employ intentionally self and egoeffacing tactics=20= using uncreativity, unoriginality, illegibility, appropriation, plagiaris= m,=20 fraud, theft, and falsification as our precepts; information management,=20= word processing, databasing, and extreme process as our=20 methodologies; and boredom, valuelessness, and nutritionlessness as=20 our ethos. If we appear to you as fads, then we feel we=92ve succeeded=20= beyond our wildest expectations: we=92ll be yesterday=92s news by the tim= e=20 you read this=92. What sort of response is he expecting? If all he says is the case, then=20= is it a case worth making outside of his wanting attention from it? I=92m= =20 surprised no one can see though this.=20 Incidentally, Kenny still hasn=92t responded to my comment on Dale=20 Smith=92s blog left some weeks ago, regarding statements in Kenny=92s=20 interview with Dale. In that comment I said:=20 'I was rather perplexed to see Kenny so supportive of the idea that=20 anything should go in poetry, yet admit that UbuWeb is not a=20 democracy and that he decides =93what goes there=94, and that: =9399% of=20= what is submitted is not accepted. But that=92s why it=92s so good. The b= ar=20 is set very high according to Ubu=92s standards, which are quite rigorous= .=94=20 Yet, I wonder what criteria are brought into play when deciding what is=20= the best of =93anything should go=94, or arbitrarily collaged texts etc. = I=20 suppose, there isn=92t one, and that it is all personal taste.'=20 Kenny refuses to comment on this. On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:47:04 -0700, Nick LoLordo=20 wrote: >Killing trees? Kent has merely killed a few stickers. It's Kenny who >killed the trees; in this sense Kent's work, whatever one thinks of it >otherwise, is at least arguably a more "conceptual" project..... > >On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Christopher Leland Winks >wrote: > >> A lor of verbiage on Kent Johnson's taking the piss out of Kenneth >> Goldsmith, who richly deserves it as another one of those=20 necrophiles >> brandishing (among other gestures) the cryogenically-preserved >> (freeze-dried?) corpse of a "conceptual" art sans concepts, sans art,=20= sans >> eyes, sans everything. But while I like the joke, is it really worth >> killing so many trees just to play one? >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20= guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > > >-- >V. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 23:51:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press 2009-10 schedule Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Last month we kicked off the seventh season of our d.a. levy lives: =20 celebrating the renegade press series with South Boston's Rope-A-Dope =20= Press. Below is the remaining schedule for the season. (Poets and =20 musical acts TBA, excluding October event listed below.) as ever, David P.S. And on Fri., Dec. 4, from 9:00 p.m.-11:00 p.m. at Sidewalk Caf=E9 =20= (94 Ave. A, NYC), for the 20th anniversary of its first full =20 performances at The Brooklyn Academy of Music, we will be performing =20 Lou Reed and John Cale's Andy Warhol concept album Songs for Drella as =20= part of our Classic Albums Live series. With performances by Christy =20 Davis and friends, Jesse Schoen, JUANBURGUESA, Lady Blanche, Renminbi, =20= and more. ------------ d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press Season 7 schedule all events take place at 6:00 p.m. on last Tuesdays (except December) at ACA Galleries, 529 W. 20th St., 5th Flr., NYC 2009 Tues. Oct. 27 Peaches and Bats http://peachbats.blogspot.com/ (Portland, Ore.) Sam Lohmann, founder and editor Featuring readings from Marcella Durand Lohmann El=E9na Rivera David Shapiro and music from Ann Adachi and friends http://www.rasbliutto.net/concerts/eidolon.html Tues. 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June 29 Interbirth Books http://www.interbirthbooks.org/ (Dallas) Micah Robbins, ed. Tues. July 27 Eleven Eleven http://elevenelevenjournal.com/ (San Francisco) Hugh Behm-Steinberg, faculty ed. --=20 David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W. 28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://welcometoboogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664)= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:28:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ryan Daley Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We all kill trees. Killing trees is positive: too many trees = too much CO = big problems for globe/warming trends. Seriously tho, I'll go out on a limb, or perhaps not, and say this: I like both ideas. I thought KG's idea was great and interesting (albeit, w/o reading in full) and Kent's new piece also seems interesting, especially relevant in an era when intellectual privacy, piracy and property is the next big thing (those of you not following the piratebay.org lawsuit, should). Goldsmith and KJ should celebrate together, they're pushing the boulder along, smiling. I will add that I think Johnson's project excels at what much of his work seems to address lately: the destruction of "PoBiz" egos and hype. Certainly Kent has created a type of anti-hype (not like anti-christ, more like anti-matter), denying authorship of Doubled Flowering to this day... I think Kent probably settled on this idea because of 1) DAY's concept almost begs for "theft" and 2) Goldsmith's work has received a lot of warranted and unwarranted attention. To attack something boring and unknown is one thing, but to attack what everyone seems to be talking about, now * that's* something. I think what Kent's piece says is not only that our ideas on authorship are hypocritical (giving KG credit for something he didn't "write," attacking Kent for something he most likely DID write, as if he were someone else), but that once accepted, that pseudonymous work can become sacrosanct, which would explain the hubbub here about KJ supposedly defiling KG's work. -Ryan On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Nick LoLordo wrote: > Killing trees? Kent has merely killed a few stickers. It's Kenny who > killed the trees; in this sense Kent's work, whatever one thinks of it > otherwise, is at least arguably a more "conceptual" project..... > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Christopher Leland Winks > wrote: > > > A lor of verbiage on Kent Johnson's taking the piss out of Kenneth > > Goldsmith, who richly deserves it as another one of those necrophiles > > brandishing (among other gestures) the cryogenically-preserved > > (freeze-dried?) corpse of a "conceptual" art sans concepts, sans art, > sans > > eyes, sans everything. But while I like the joke, is it really worth > > killing so many trees just to play one? > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > -- > V. Nicholas LoLordo > Assistant Professor > Department of English > University of Nevada-Las Vegas > (702) 895-3623 > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:34:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Perman Subject: Idiolects of Silence by John Perlman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" John Perlman would like to thank those who have asked for a copy of his n= ew book, Idiolects of Silence, available from roompress@aol.com. in pdf form= at. Others who wish to recieve the book, please feel free to request. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:30:48 +1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alison Croggon Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeffrey, to be perfectly honest what's mostly getting up my nose is the smartarse complacency of the publicity, which is, I guess, the point of the whole exercise. You can't measure artistic courage by suability, or every tabloid journo would be Pound. Mind you, Enzensberger did say once that the contemporary tabloid paper is the exemplary modernist art object, but if that's the case Goldsmith is onto it while Johnson isn't. I can see, like Jonathan, the point of recontextualising language in the way KG does - there's nothing in KJ's act that recontextualises the language, except the fact that he's put his name on it, when authorship was never that important in the first place. In other words, the supposedly radical transformation is not radical at all, it just shifts the language from literature to more literature, and it merely operates at the level of a punchline. Ok, the subsequent (non)fuss points to the mechanisms by which books get known in the consumerist politcs of exchange etc, but really, yawn. In theorising "theft as an artistic act" - which as several people have said isn't precisely groundbreaking - I think it's seriously more interesting to look at Madoff. Or maybe that young guy who stole Damien Hirst's pencil, who _is_ being sued (and who I think is much funnier and is making a much more interesting point). And here you are talking about the "innovation" of a book you frankly confess you haven't read, which is wholly reductio ad absurdum. I mean, it's a fake storm in an egg-cup. xA On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Jeffrey Side wrote: > Mairead, > > But being fun as a measure of artistic worth is not being questioned by > Kent? What he is questioning are concepts of authorship in relation to > literary theft. > > > > On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:06:16 -0400, Mairead Byrne > wrote: > >>Other aspects of the artistic practices of KG and KJ are worth > considering. =A0KG has brought Abbie Hoffman's Steal This Book to vital > and extraordinary development in the stunning super-energizing > panoramic UbuWeb. =A0He's also an A1 performer: live, on paper, and > conceptually. =A0Ever seen/heard/sat under his Bern Porter piece? =A0I ag= ree > with Maria that he's a LOT of fun. =A0KJ is kinda fun too, and appeals ju= st > as heartily to some senses of humor as KG does to mine. =A0The work > often seems mean to me, not just mean-spirited but flimsy. =A0A lot of > what KG is doing is energizing the poetry world by importing and writing > (in VERY large letters) ideas from the art world. =A0KJ, to me, is a kind= of > policeman (CIA man?), setting off small bombs to injure poets, or at > least crumple their horny toe-nails. =A0This policeman is an upstanding > citizen as teacher and translator though, maybe he even loves poetry > there. =A0But at night, he puts on his little cape, and runs round sticki= ng > needles into things .....YIKES now he's heading for me.... >> >> >>>>> Jonathan Ball 10/02/09 9:39 AM >>> >>Thanks Jeffrey, however I did read your post when you originally sent it >>around. My original point is to take issue with your statement, as I > claim >>that there is nothing innovative or audacious about this appropriation > by >>Johnson. Its conceptual value is not to earmark thievery as art, or to >>question categories of authorship --- both dry, boring notions by now -- > - >>but rather to extend to its logical extreme the rhetoric of a > conceptualist >>like Goldsmith. >> >>My point is that Goldsmith's rhetoric of conceptulist value being the > only >>value is already dry and boring. What makes Goldsmith's texts, such > as DAY, >>innovative and audacious works is the actual poetic richness of the > texts >>produced under these "uncreative" constraints, not the their > conceptualist >>underpinnings. Therefore, Johnson's act, aside from being hamfisted > satire, >>is just "more of the same" insofar as conceptualist writing is > concerned. >>Goldsmith makes use of conceptualist tactics to defamiliarize > language (in >>this case the language of journalism and advertising) through a > reframing in >>order to produce poetic texts. Johnson is taking a work of conceptualist >>poetry as his source, and turning it into more conceptualist poetry .... > no >>such radical defamiliarization of language has occurred (in other > words, no >>poetry is produced through a shift of the text's framework). >> >>Moreover, the act by Johnson will not lead to legal action --- Goldsmith >>suing over somebody stealing his previously stolen text .... the > thought is >>absurd. The original act by Goldsmith is the only one subject to legal >>action. In any case, whether or not a poetic act is subject to legal > action >>is no source or guarantor of its artistic value. >> >>Jonathan >> >> >> >>On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Jeffrey Side > wrote: >> >>> Jonathan, please see my blog on this, where I say: >>> >>> 'Incidentally, it could be said that Johnson's appropriation of >>> Goldsmith's "work" is, perhaps, the more innovative and audacious > act >>> in comparison to Goldsmith's "original" gesture, which, I think most > will >>> recognise, was based on an already established artistic precedent.' >>> >>> >>> http://jeffrey-side.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:35:34 -0500, Jonathan Ball >>> wrote: >>> >>> >I want to say that I'm not annoyed by Johnson's DAY. I am new to >>> this list >>> >and don't really know who Johnson is, he seems to have a longer >>> history with >>> >this list (somebody mentioned that he was banned from it, for >>> reasons I >>> >don't know about). I think his project is intended as a joke, but > since >>> it >>> >is being presented and supported by some as serious work, I just >>> want to >>> >talk about whether or not it stands or falls as serious work. It > certainly >>> >succeeds as a joke. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Adam Katz >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> > >>> >> > What if one took the annoyed response to >>> >> > Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Not to answer this question one way or another, but to point out >>> that, were >>> >> this reaction what he was going for, that still doesn't make it >>> a "good" >>> >> thing to have gone for. =A0It may very well be, though. >>> >> a >>> >> >>> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:05:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mary Kasimor Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <20091002.190240.188.1.skyplums@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you, Steve. =A0 Mary --- On Fri, 10/2/09, steve dalachinsky wrote: From: steve dalachinsky Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 8:32 AM well none of that shit is poesie conceptual or not hey guess what it might rain tonite and tomorrow they're predicting scattered showers=20 On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:10:10 -0400 Christopher Leland Winks writes: > A lor of verbiage on Kent Johnson's taking the piss out of Kenneth=20 > Goldsmith, who richly deserves it as another one of those=20 > necrophiles brandishing (among other gestures) the=20 > cryogenically-preserved (freeze-dried?) corpse of a "conceptual" art=20 > sans concepts, sans art, sans eyes, sans everything.=A0 But while I=20 > like the joke, is it really worth killing so many trees just to play=20 > one? >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:36:24 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Ellis Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <9778b8630910021828n3fce3b6kcac4e22196b78397@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Isn't the issue in much of this literary coup-coup simply an interrogation = of where "authority" comes from? What legitimizes authorship? I seem to r= ecall even Dante pulled a paradoxical shift and switcheroo between somethin= g Aristotle had said about poiesis=2C and something that=2C hmmm . . . was = if de capo of the Holy Roman Empire also said=2C each in contradistinction = with the other=2C so=2C Dante did a little creative editing to make them mo= re aligned with his own purpose in the Commedia. I don't recall=2C exactly= =2C and I don't have the books in front of me=2C but that kind of manipulat= ion has been rife in literature from day one. Hermes=2C of course=2C is go= d of thiefs=2C lockpicks and poets=2C so there's no surprise that we all fi= nd ourselves (or get found out) inching the crowbar under the door of "that= good booty." In terms of creativity at large and poetry specifically=2C w= e live in a dead zone=2C this is one of those dead areas in the history of = The Art=2C so it makes sense that operations like Kent's or Kenny would loo= k to be a mop-up scene=2C pulling corpses out of circular lecture halls wit= h pincers and dragging them to The Fires=2C etc. Aesthetically=2C of cours= e=2C and in cmplete denial of poetry's current "situation": It's simply up = for theft. And these guys are doing the non-proprietary=2C proper thing=2C= which is dual: Giving old corpses burial by ceremonial fire (the repetitio= n=2C and=2C yeah=2C the repetition) as well as pulling off the originary ac= t of stealing a little of the black soil (blackened a little more by the as= h of the burning minions) from Paradise in order to institute on the staid = earth=2C the "new time" of yet another indecent and lovely Adamic crime wav= e. SE EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Fri=2C 2 Oct 2009 21:28:09 -0400 > From: rcdaley@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > We all kill trees. Killing trees is positive: too many trees =3D too much= CO =3D > big problems for globe/warming trends. >=20 > Seriously tho=2C I'll go out on a limb=2C or perhaps not=2C and say this:= I like > both ideas. I thought KG's idea was great and interesting (albeit=2C w/o > reading in full) and Kent's new piece also seems interesting=2C especiall= y > relevant in an era when intellectual privacy=2C piracy and property is th= e > next big thing (those of you not following the piratebay.org lawsuit=2C > should). Goldsmith and KJ should celebrate together=2C they're pushing th= e > boulder along=2C smiling. >=20 > I will add that I think Johnson's project excels at what much of his work > seems to address lately: the destruction of "PoBiz" egos and hype. Certai= nly > Kent has created a type of anti-hype (not like anti-christ=2C more like > anti-matter)=2C denying authorship of Doubled Flowering to this day... >=20 > I think Kent probably settled on this idea because of 1) DAY's concept > almost begs for "theft" and 2) Goldsmith's work has received a lot of > warranted and unwarranted attention. To attack something boring and unkno= wn > is one thing=2C but to attack what everyone seems to be talking about=2C = now * > that's* something. I think what Kent's piece says is not only that our id= eas > on authorship are hypocritical (giving KG credit for something he didn't > "write=2C" attacking Kent for something he most likely DID write=2C as if= he > were someone else)=2C but that once accepted=2C that pseudonymous work ca= n > become sacrosanct=2C which would explain the hubbub here about KJ suppose= dly > defiling KG's work. >=20 > -Ryan >=20 > On Fri=2C Oct 2=2C 2009 at 6:47 PM=2C Nick LoLordo w= rote: >=20 > > Killing trees? Kent has merely killed a few stickers. It's Kenny who > > killed the trees=3B in this sense Kent's work=2C whatever one thinks of= it > > otherwise=2C is at least arguably a more "conceptual" project..... > > > > On Fri=2C Oct 2=2C 2009 at 12:10 PM=2C Christopher Leland Winks > > wrote: > > > > > A lor of verbiage on Kent Johnson's taking the piss out of Kenneth > > > Goldsmith=2C who richly deserves it as another one of those necrophil= es > > > brandishing (among other gestures) the cryogenically-preserved > > > (freeze-dried?) corpse of a "conceptual" art sans concepts=2C sans ar= t=2C > > sans > > > eyes=2C sans everything. But while I like the joke=2C is it really w= orth > > > killing so many trees just to play one? > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > > guidelines > > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > V. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:37:21 +0200 Reply-To: argotist@fsmail.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Poem by Peter Philpott at The Argotist Online Comments: To: British Poetics , Poetryetc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Poem by Peter Philpott at The Argotist Online: http://www.argotistonline.co.uk/Philpott%20poem.htm ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:55:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:55 AM, Jeffrey Side wrote: > Very good point. Kent's act is far braver than Kenny's, as it could > lead > to legal action. I think this is what makes Kent's act historically > more > artistically original than Kenny's. The only reason that I can imagine Johnson's act resulting in some kind of legal action, would be if the copies of the Figures edition of Day were stolen. & that doesn't seem to be the case. My reading of this is that it has to be just about the safest "brave" action that anyone could make. Regardless of what Goldsmith may think of Johnson and this act, I think he's smart enough to understand any of the aesthetic & PR ramifications of Johnson's action and would be very, VERY unlikely to bother to sue. The Figures is getting whatever their wholesale price to Amazon is, so they have no reason to sue either. This isn't about someone claiming to make an original one of a kind object that's an exact copy of another original one of a kind object. It's about someone buying a book, apparently at retail price (so Goldsmith and the Figures are getting paid already), and charging more for it with some added stickers. In the software business, this is called "added value." If there are ten people out there who want to spend $7 extra for some stickers, a signature and an aesthetic concept, that's great. But that doesn't seem too much different to me than the fact that there are people who were willing to spend $22 extra for the book without the stickers and a slightly different aesthetic concept. Because ANY of these people could have originally bought the NYTimes for that day for a buck or less, & they could still get a copy of it from the NYTimes for less than the price of the Figures book. This isn't Robert Rauschenberg erasing a real drawing by Willem de Kooning and exhibiting the erased paper as his own work. It's not Kathy Acker getting sued by Arthur Hailey for using large chunks of his novels in her own work. It's not John Oswald reconfiguring music by the Beatles, Michael Jackson, etc and being forced to destroy all the undistributed copies of the recordings. It's not Todd Haynes being forced to stop exhibiting and distributing Superstar for it's use of music by the Carpenters. If Johnson wants to make a brave gesture concerning authorship and copyright, let him try to sell copies of books by Dan Brown or Patricia Cornwall as his own work. This is about one relatively esoteric artist trying to make some noise while pulling the chain of another relatively esoteric artist. Sure, Goldsmith has some more visibility that Johnson, but neither of these guys have any visibility in the mass culture we live in the midst of. We're talking about artists that may be known to a couple of thousand people in a world with a population of 6 billion. About a dozen people have posted about this on the poetics list and almost all of these posts seem to be trying to make it seem like Johnson's made some kind of aesthetic coup. I don't see how you can read it like that, and I think the lack of pushback that Johnson's partisans have found here is a sign that I'm not the only one sees this issue that way. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 07:53:37 -0500 Reply-To: dgodston@gmail.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Godston Organization: Borderbend Arts Collective Subject: Chinese Whispers at Myopic Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chinese Whispers at Myopic Books Sunday, October 4, 2009 (7-9 p.m.) You are invited to attend "Chinese Whispers," which features a "poetry and art by telephone" game with poetry. This event is part of the poetry series curated by Larry Sawyer, and it is part of the Fourth Annual Chicago Calling Arts Festival. This event will be in homage -- in part -- to the "Art by Telephone" event which happened at Chicago's Museum of Contemporary Art in 1969. (And that event 40 years ago was inspired by Bauhaus artist Laszlo Moholy-Nagy.) "Chinese Whispers" might include directions which involve chance operations, surrealist games, Oulipo strategies, and other elements. Out-of-town directions will be coming from Lisa Hemminger (San Diego), Jesse Seldess (Berlin), Billie Maciunas, Christopher Welch (Washington, DC), David Harrison Horton (Beijing), Mathew Timmons (Los Angeles), and Eric Lietz (Oakland). Chicago poets will include Jamie Kazay, Larry Sawyer, Jennifer Karmin, Dan Godston, and Kevin Kilroy. After "Chinese Whispers" is over, examples of the collaborations will be posted on a TBD website. This event is free and open to the public. Myopic Bookstore 1564 N Milwaukee Ave Chicago, IL 60622-2008 773.862.4882 http://www.myopicbookstore.com http://www.chicagocalling.org http://www.mcachicago.org/information/history.php?page=ihist ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:19:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Camille Martin Subject: collages - Camille Martin Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Some recent collages: http://www.camillemartin.ca/19.php http://www.camillemartin.ca/20.php http://www.camillemartin.ca/21.php Cheers! 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Here's the link: http://inclinermagazine.blogspot.com/ The newest installment is up now - me reading Robert Duncan's poem "Often I= Am Permitted to Return to a Meadow." It is accompanied by an essay that i= s about Coleridge=2C Duncan & Nate Pritts (veering off into talk about my n= ew book=2C THE WONDERFULL YEARE=2C due out in early 2010 from Cooper Dillon= books). I had kind of a bad hair cut at the time. ___________ :: Dr. Nate Pritts =20 :: http://www.natepritts.com =20 =0A= _________________________________________________________________=0A= Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free.=0A= http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:13:43 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Emily Carr Subject: call for submissions for dandelion magazine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dandelion magazine is taking submissions for issue 35 number 2, "the sexual politics of meat." The theme of this issue is inspired by Carol J. Adam=92s theory of =93the sexual politics of meat=94 in her provocative book the of = the same title (published in 1990). In this issue, we are looking for works that sketch, hypothesize, challenge= , elaborate, query, and otherwise address unexpected juxtapositions between the human and the animal and amongst sex, politics, and meat. What, we invite you to consider, are the historic, gender, race, and class implications of meat culture? How has the consumption of meat shaped our contemporary human cultures? How, by extension, has the consumption of meat shaped our notions of what it means to be humans? &, as a consequence, what it means to be men & women? How does the language of meat bleed into the vocabulary of gender, & vice versa? We are particularly interested in what innovative thinkers, writers, & artists have to say about the relatings (or lack thereof) amongst sex, politics, and meat. How, by pushing language to increasingly expressive limits, can innovative texts intervene in the discourse of gender and food? How can innovative literatures articulate an alternative to meat culture as portrayed in the mass media? *dandelion* publishes both critical and creative work and has, historically= , been interested in writing that challenges (or otherwise ignores) generic expectations. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:06:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Ball Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0910020857h411567r1030955adfdc12bd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In response to Murat, yes, I have read DAY, although I read it some time ago. DAY is not a masterpiece. But there are some stunning and exciting poetic effects, most of which result from effective juxtaposition and disjunction that results when ad-texts or other types of text (pull-quotes, headlines, "garbage" like headers) interrupt news stories, and in some cases the news items attain a certain pathos or silliness as a result of their placement in a book rather than a newspaper, as the medium lays additional emphasis on certain things. Of course, I find it conceptually interesting as well. In response to Jeffrey, it seem to me that defamiliarizing language is one of the basic components of poetry itself. Estranging language from its normal functions for heightened, poetic effect. Insofar as the "conceptualising of theft as an artistic act," I suppose my response is "yes, but who cares"? So what? Theft is conceptualized as an artistic act constantly. Any found poem conceptualizes theft as an artistic act, to a lesser degree obviously, and in this example the theft is very bold and (insofar as the insular poetry world is concerned) high-profile, but so what? I don't see why anyone should care. Perhaps this does come down to a matter of taste, as you suggest. Insofar as the conceptual underpinnings of each work, I find Goldsmith's act interesting insofar as it works to defamiliarize language, imply commentary on the print medium and on the news media, declare uncreative appropriation and textual reframing as poetic to an absurd degree, and trouble questions of authorship. Johnson's act seems, by comparison, to extend certain of Goldsmith's concerns (theft, questions of authorship) for the sake of satire, and so I don't see what is to be considered radical here. It seems to me that this debate has become more about the personalities of the authors involved and whether or not somebody likes one or dislikes the other. I have absolutely no interest in this kind of discussion, and unless the tide turns I intend this as my last word on the subject. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 18:33:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Alison, Kenny advocates not reading his appropriations. For him, talking=20= about them is more important, which is all I=92m doing.=20 Regardless of the extent of Kent=92s innovation, I think his action is mo= re=20 interesting because, to me, it goes further than Kenny=92s in that Kenny=92= s=20 act did not involve appropriating a =93single author book=94, as Kent has= =20 done but, rather, a newspaper authored by many.=20 I don=92t think Jonathan said anything about Kenny=92s Day=20 recontextualising language so much as defamiliarising it, which is more=20= radical. Yet, as I responded to him at the time: =91Even if it this were = so,=20 I=92m not sure that defamiliarising language is in itself an exceptionall= y=20 important measure of poetic achievement, any more than a novel use of=20 punctuation would be=92. On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:30:48 +1000, Alison Croggon=20 wrote: >Jeffrey, to be perfectly honest what's mostly getting up my nose is >the smartarse complacency of the publicity, which is, I guess, the >point of the whole exercise. You can't measure artistic courage by >suability, or every tabloid journo would be Pound. Mind you, >Enzensberger did say once that the contemporary tabloid paper is the >exemplary modernist art object, but if that's the case Goldsmith is >onto it while Johnson isn't. I can see, like Jonathan, the point of >recontextualising language in the way KG does - there's nothing in >KJ's act that recontextualises the language, except the fact that he's >put his name on it, when authorship was never that important in the >first place. In other words, the supposedly radical transformation is >not radical at all, it just shifts the language from literature to >more literature, and it merely operates at the level of a punchline. >Ok, the subsequent (non)fuss points to the mechanisms by which=20 books >get known in the consumerist politcs of exchange etc, but really, >yawn. In theorising "theft as an artistic act" - which as several >people have said isn't precisely groundbreaking - I think it's >seriously more interesting to look at Madoff. Or maybe that young guy >who stole Damien Hirst's pencil, who _is_ being sued (and who I think >is much funnier and is making a much more interesting point). And=20 here >you are talking about the "innovation" of a book you frankly confess >you haven't read, which is wholly reductio ad absurdum. I mean, it's a >fake storm in an egg-cup. > >xA > >On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Jeffrey Side =20 wrote: >> Mairead, >> >> But being fun as a measure of artistic worth is not being questioned=20= by >> Kent? What he is questioning are concepts of authorship in relation=20= to >> literary theft. >> >> >> >> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:06:16 -0400, Mairead Byrne >> wrote: >> >>>Other aspects of the artistic practices of KG and KJ are worth >> considering. =A0KG has brought Abbie Hoffman's Steal This Book to=20 vital >> and extraordinary development in the stunning super-energizing >> panoramic UbuWeb. =A0He's also an A1 performer: live, on paper, and >> conceptually. =A0Ever seen/heard/sat under his Bern Porter piece? =A0I= =20 agree >> with Maria that he's a LOT of fun. =A0KJ is kinda fun too, and appeals= =20 just >> as heartily to some senses of humor as KG does to mine. =A0The work >> often seems mean to me, not just mean-spirited but flimsy. =A0A lot of= >> what KG is doing is energizing the poetry world by importing and=20 writing >> (in VERY large letters) ideas from the art world. =A0KJ, to me, is a=20= kind of >> policeman (CIA man?), setting off small bombs to injure poets, or at >> least crumple their horny toe-nails. =A0This policeman is an upstandin= g >> citizen as teacher and translator though, maybe he even loves=20 poetry >> there. =A0But at night, he puts on his little cape, and runs round=20 sticking >> needles into things .....YIKES now he's heading for me.... >>> >>> >>>>>> Jonathan Ball 10/02/09 9:39 AM=20 >>> >>>Thanks Jeffrey, however I did read your post when you originally=20 sent it >>>around. My original point is to take issue with your statement, as I >> claim >>>that there is nothing innovative or audacious about this=20 appropriation >> by >>>Johnson. Its conceptual value is not to earmark thievery as art, or=20= to >>>question categories of authorship --- both dry, boring notions by=20 now -- >> - >>>but rather to extend to its logical extreme the rhetoric of a >> conceptualist >>>like Goldsmith. >>> >>>My point is that Goldsmith's rhetoric of conceptulist value being the >> only >>>value is already dry and boring. What makes Goldsmith's texts,=20 such >> as DAY, >>>innovative and audacious works is the actual poetic richness of the >> texts >>>produced under these "uncreative" constraints, not the their >> conceptualist >>>underpinnings. Therefore, Johnson's act, aside from being hamfisted >> satire, >>>is just "more of the same" insofar as conceptualist writing is >> concerned. >>>Goldsmith makes use of conceptualist tactics to defamiliarize >> language (in >>>this case the language of journalism and advertising) through a >> reframing in >>>order to produce poetic texts. Johnson is taking a work of=20 conceptualist >>>poetry as his source, and turning it into more conceptualist=20 poetry .... >> no >>>such radical defamiliarization of language has occurred (in other >> words, no >>>poetry is produced through a shift of the text's framework). >>> >>>Moreover, the act by Johnson will not lead to legal action ---=20 Goldsmith >>>suing over somebody stealing his previously stolen text .... the >> thought is >>>absurd. The original act by Goldsmith is the only one subject to=20 legal >>>action. In any case, whether or not a poetic act is subject to legal >> action >>>is no source or guarantor of its artistic value. >>> >>>Jonathan >>> >>> >>> >>>On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Jeffrey Side >> wrote: >>> >>>> Jonathan, please see my blog on this, where I say: >>>> >>>> 'Incidentally, it could be said that Johnson's appropriation of >>>> Goldsmith's "work" is, perhaps, the more innovative and=20 audacious >> act >>>> in comparison to Goldsmith's "original" gesture, which, I think=20 most >> will >>>> recognise, was based on an already established artistic=20 precedent.' >>>> >>>> >>>> http://jeffrey-side.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:35:34 -0500, Jonathan Ball >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >I want to say that I'm not annoyed by Johnson's DAY. I am=20 new to >>>> this list >>>> >and don't really know who Johnson is, he seems to have a=20 longer >>>> history with >>>> >this list (somebody mentioned that he was banned from it, for >>>> reasons I >>>> >don't know about). I think his project is intended as a joke, but >> since >>>> it >>>> >is being presented and supported by some as serious work, I=20 just >>>> want to >>>> >talk about whether or not it stands or falls as serious work. It >> certainly >>>> >succeeds as a joke. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Adam Katz >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > What if one took the annoyed response to >>>> >> > Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Not to answer this question one way or another, but to point=20 out >>>> that, were >>>> >> this reaction what he was going for, that still doesn't make it >>>> a "good" >>>> >> thing to have gone for. =A0It may very well be, though. >>>> >> a >>>> >> >>>> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts.=20= Check >>>> guidelines >>>> >> & sub/unsub info:=20 http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >-- >>>> >Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) >>>> >Sessional Instructor >>>> >University of Manitoba >>>> >University of Winnipeg >>>> > >>>> >www.jonathanball.com >>>> > >>>> >"If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate= >>>> him." -- >>>> >Farley Mowat >>>> > >>>> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts.=20 Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:34:45 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Ellis Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <33B71E03-64CE-443E-B524-203BDBE11CED@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since when does "legal action" determine literary value=2C and how did "bra= very" become one of those values=2C if=2C in fact=2C it did? I mean=2C let= me get this straight: A bold work of literature would be one that invokes = legal action against it=2C not for what it says=2C but for what it is=2C a = text whose authorship is in question=2C but whose authority is not. Yes? = Does this mean Kent's book ought to be put in a witness protection program?= Or in preventive detention as "prospective terrorist act"? Or perhaps bo= th? Authorship and/or authority in that sense is really just a matter of s= erving more papers - ah . . . so THEY'RE "the literature"=2C right? - anywa= y=2C something that ought to be taken up on the Oprah/Obama/Larry King Towe= r of Power Hour=2C and not on UB Poetics=2C where=2C gee=2C unbelievable . = . . Buffalo is now in Pennsylvania? Cool. EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Sat=2C 3 Oct 2009 12:55:14 -0500 > From: hrebml@SBCGLOBAL.NET > Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > On Oct 2=2C 2009=2C at 5:55 AM=2C Jeffrey Side wrote: >=20 > > Very good point. Kent's act is far braver than Kenny's=2C as it could = =20 > > lead > > to legal action. I think this is what makes Kent's act historically =20 > > more > > artistically original than Kenny's. >=20 > The only reason that I can imagine Johnson's act resulting in some =20 > kind of legal action=2C would be if the copies of the Figures edition of = =20 > Day were stolen. & that doesn't seem to be the case. >=20 > My reading of this is that it has to be just about the safest "brave" =20 > action that anyone could make. Regardless of what Goldsmith may think =20 > of Johnson and this act=2C I think he's smart enough to understand any =20 > of the aesthetic & PR ramifications of Johnson's action and would be =20 > very=2C VERY unlikely to bother to sue. The Figures is getting whatever = =20 > their wholesale price to Amazon is=2C so they have no reason to sue =20 > either. >=20 > This isn't about someone claiming to make an original one of a kind =20 > object that's an exact copy of another original one of a kind object. =20 > It's about someone buying a book=2C apparently at retail price (so =20 > Goldsmith and the Figures are getting paid already)=2C and charging more = =20 > for it with some added stickers. >=20 > In the software business=2C this is called "added value." >=20 > If there are ten people out there who want to spend $7 extra for some =20 > stickers=2C a signature and an aesthetic concept=2C that's great. But tha= t =20 > doesn't seem too much different to me than the fact that there are =20 > people who were willing to spend $22 extra for the book without the =20 > stickers and a slightly different aesthetic concept. Because ANY of =20 > these people could have originally bought the NYTimes for that day for =20 > a buck or less=2C & they could still get a copy of it from the NYTimes =20 > for less than the price of the Figures book. >=20 > This isn't Robert Rauschenberg erasing a real drawing by Willem de =20 > Kooning and exhibiting the erased paper as his own work. It's not =20 > Kathy Acker getting sued by Arthur Hailey for using large chunks of =20 > his novels in her own work. It's not John Oswald reconfiguring music =20 > by the Beatles=2C Michael Jackson=2C etc and being forced to destroy all = =20 > the undistributed copies of the recordings. It's not Todd Haynes being =20 > forced to stop exhibiting and distributing Superstar for it's use of =20 > music by the Carpenters. >=20 > If Johnson wants to make a brave gesture concerning authorship and =20 > copyright=2C let him try to sell copies of books by Dan Brown or =20 > Patricia Cornwall as his own work. >=20 > This is about one relatively esoteric artist trying to make some noise =20 > while pulling the chain of another relatively esoteric artist. Sure=2C =20 > Goldsmith has some more visibility that Johnson=2C but neither of these = =20 > guys have any visibility in the mass culture we live in the midst of. =20 > We're talking about artists that may be known to a couple of thousand =20 > people in a world with a population of 6 billion. >=20 > About a dozen people have posted about this on the poetics list and =20 > almost all of these posts seem to be trying to make it seem like =20 > Johnson's made some kind of aesthetic coup. I don't see how you can =20 > read it like that=2C and I think the lack of pushback that Johnson's =20 > partisans have found here is a sign that I'm not the only one sees =20 > this issue that way. >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 18:51:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Fwd: [silence] Merce Cunningham Memorial Comments: To: Theory and Writing , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for those of your in the area... Begin forwarded message: > From: LAURA KUHN > Date: October 4, 2009 6:23:54 PM CDT > To: silence@list.mail.virginia.edu > Subject: [silence] Merce Cunningham Memorial > > On behalf of the Merce Cunningham Dance Company and the John Cage =20 > Trust, thank you for reaching out to all of us at the time of =20 > Merce=92s passing. We were overwhelmed by the outpouring of love and =20= > support from around the world, only reaffirming the number of people =20= > who were touched by Merce=92s life and artistry, and reminding us all =20= > how fortunate we are to have been a part of his adventure. > > In celebration of Merce, a public memorial will take place on =20 > Wednesday, October 28. 4 - 9 pm, at the Park Avenue Armory, New =20 > York. The Merce Cunningham Dance Company=92s Event performances in =20= > honor of Merce will take place at 4:30 pm and 7:30 pm, but check the =20= > Merce Cunningham Dance Foundation's website, www.merce.org, after =20 > October 21 for a full schedule of events. The memorial is free and =20= > open to the public, no reservations are required. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 00:29:18 +1300 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Wystan Curnow Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Alison wrote: 'what's mostly getting up my nose is the smartarse complacenc= y of the publicity, which is, I guess, the point of the whole exercise.' It is part of the point, but not the who= le point. But it's a separate point, 'Conceptualist poetry' comes=20 comes rhetorically wrapped, because I read it as faux avant wrapping, and = take its serio-comic register as strategically acute, I do not find it com= placent, and it does not get up my nose, let alone my smart arse.=20 =20 Then she wrote:'the supposedly radical transformation is not radical at all= , it just shifts the language from literature to more literature'.=20 True enough, except that there's much to be said for, and has been said of= , shifting language from literature to more literature. To start with what is of interest in a comparison of Johnson's appropriation with Goldsmi= th's appropriation, relies less on the matter of 'originality' than on the = comparison of the role Day plays in Goldsmith's oeuvre with the role it ac= quires within Johnson's.=20 Wystan =20 =20 ________________________________________ From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of = Alison Croggon [ajcroggon@GMAIL.COM] Sent: Saturday, 3 October 2009 3:30 p.m. To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson Jeffrey, to be perfectly honest what's mostly getting up my nose is the smartarse complacency of the publicity, which is, I guess, the point of the whole exercise. You can't measure artistic courage by suability, or every tabloid journo would be Pound. Mind you, Enzensberger did say once that the contemporary tabloid paper is the exemplary modernist art object, but if that's the case Goldsmith is onto it while Johnson isn't. I can see, like Jonathan, the point of recontextualising language in the way KG does - there's nothing in KJ's act that recontextualises the language, except the fact that he's put his name on it, when authorship was never that important in the first place. In other words, the supposedly radical transformation is not radical at all, it just shifts the language from literature to more literature, and it merely operates at the level of a punchline. Ok, the subsequent (non)fuss points to the mechanisms by which books get known in the consumerist politcs of exchange etc, but really, yawn. In theorising "theft as an artistic act" - which as several people have said isn't precisely groundbreaking - I think it's seriously more interesting to look at Madoff. Or maybe that young guy who stole Damien Hirst's pencil, who _is_ being sued (and who I think is much funnier and is making a much more interesting point). And here you are talking about the "innovation" of a book you frankly confess you haven't read, which is wholly reductio ad absurdum. I mean, it's a fake storm in an egg-cup. xA On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Jeffrey Side wrote: > Mairead, > > But being fun as a measure of artistic worth is not being questioned by > Kent? What he is questioning are concepts of authorship in relation to > literary theft. > > > > On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:06:16 -0400, Mairead Byrne > wrote: > >>Other aspects of the artistic practices of KG and KJ are worth > considering. KG has brought Abbie Hoffman's Steal This Book to vital > and extraordinary development in the stunning super-energizing > panoramic UbuWeb. He's also an A1 performer: live, on paper, and > conceptually. Ever seen/heard/sat under his Bern Porter piece? I agree > with Maria that he's a LOT of fun. KJ is kinda fun too, and appeals just > as heartily to some senses of humor as KG does to mine. The work > often seems mean to me, not just mean-spirited but flimsy. A lot of > what KG is doing is energizing the poetry world by importing and writing > (in VERY large letters) ideas from the art world. KJ, to me, is a kind o= f > policeman (CIA man?), setting off small bombs to injure poets, or at > least crumple their horny toe-nails. This policeman is an upstanding > citizen as teacher and translator though, maybe he even loves poetry > there. But at night, he puts on his little cape, and runs round sticking > needles into things .....YIKES now he's heading for me.... >> >> >>>>> Jonathan Ball 10/02/09 9:39 AM >>> >>Thanks Jeffrey, however I did read your post when you originally sent it >>around. My original point is to take issue with your statement, as I > claim >>that there is nothing innovative or audacious about this appropriation > by >>Johnson. Its conceptual value is not to earmark thievery as art, or to >>question categories of authorship --- both dry, boring notions by now -- > - >>but rather to extend to its logical extreme the rhetoric of a > conceptualist >>like Goldsmith. >> >>My point is that Goldsmith's rhetoric of conceptulist value being the > only >>value is already dry and boring. What makes Goldsmith's texts, such > as DAY, >>innovative and audacious works is the actual poetic richness of the > texts >>produced under these "uncreative" constraints, not the their > conceptualist >>underpinnings. Therefore, Johnson's act, aside from being hamfisted > satire, >>is just "more of the same" insofar as conceptualist writing is > concerned. >>Goldsmith makes use of conceptualist tactics to defamiliarize > language (in >>this case the language of journalism and advertising) through a > reframing in >>order to produce poetic texts. Johnson is taking a work of conceptualist >>poetry as his source, and turning it into more conceptualist poetry .... > no >>such radical defamiliarization of language has occurred (in other > words, no >>poetry is produced through a shift of the text's framework). >> >>Moreover, the act by Johnson will not lead to legal action --- Goldsmith >>suing over somebody stealing his previously stolen text .... the > thought is >>absurd. The original act by Goldsmith is the only one subject to legal >>action. In any case, whether or not a poetic act is subject to legal > action >>is no source or guarantor of its artistic value. >> >>Jonathan >> >> >> >>On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Jeffrey Side > wrote: >> >>> Jonathan, please see my blog on this, where I say: >>> >>> 'Incidentally, it could be said that Johnson's appropriation of >>> Goldsmith's "work" is, perhaps, the more innovative and audacious > act >>> in comparison to Goldsmith's "original" gesture, which, I think most > will >>> recognise, was based on an already established artistic precedent.' >>> >>> >>> http://jeffrey-side.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:35:34 -0500, Jonathan Ball >>> wrote: >>> >>> >I want to say that I'm not annoyed by Johnson's DAY. I am new to >>> this list >>> >and don't really know who Johnson is, he seems to have a longer >>> history with >>> >this list (somebody mentioned that he was banned from it, for >>> reasons I >>> >don't know about). I think his project is intended as a joke, but > since >>> it >>> >is being presented and supported by some as serious work, I just >>> want to >>> >talk about whether or not it stands or falls as serious work. It > certainly >>> >succeeds as a joke. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Adam Katz >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> > >>> >> > What if one took the annoyed response to >>> >> > Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Not to answer this question one way or another, but to point out >>> that, were >>> >> this reaction what he was going for, that still doesn't make it >>> a "good" >>> >> thing to have gone for. It may very well be, though. >>> >> a >>> >> >>> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:45:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sharon Dolin Subject: REMINDER: CBA READING THIS WED. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dear Friends, Just a reminder that The Center for Book Arts Annual Letterpress Chapbook Competition Reading will take place this Wednesday at 6:30 pm. Kim Addonizio who judged the competition, and Bonnie Jo Campbell, the winner, will read from their letterpress chapbooks and Teresa Leo will read from her letterpress broadside. Another broadside by Lucia Perillo, the other honorable mention, will also be for sale that evening. I'll be hosting the festivities. Hope you can join us for the celebration. The Center for Book Arts 28 W. 27th St., 3rd floor (bet. 6th & B'way) 212-481-0295 $10 suggested donation/ $5 members & students. Refreshments will be served. And next year's deadline is December 1st. Terrance Hayes will be the final judge. Here's the link for guidelines: http:// www.centerforbookarts.org/opportunities/chapbook2010guidelines.pdf Sharon Sharon Dolin sdolin@earthlink.net www.sharondolin.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:17:01 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: susan maurer Subject: Susan Maurer reading from PERFECT DARK at the Bowery Poetry Club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll be reading at George Wallace's series at the (NYC) Bowery Poetry Club = on 10-18 at 2:30. Do come say hello if a lister shows up. Susan Maurer = =0A= _________________________________________________________________=0A= Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.=0A= http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:29:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) I read Johnson's Day as saying that Goldsmith's Day is full of shit. Which may just be my own bias showing, but also is something that I think is hilarious. Still, I think the Arsonism anthology was better than either version of Day, and while I've not read any of them, I'm more than willing to concede that my bias towards Issue 1 is a result of my having been in it. Whereas I think it's disingenuous to ever claim that Day was all that special or attributable to anyone since Johnson via Goldsmith let James Joyce and Jackson Mac Low inadvertently pick the date of his Day. On Oct 3, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Stephen Ellis wrote: > Isn't the issue in much of this literary coup-coup simply an > interrogation of where "authority" comes from? What legitimizes > authorship? I seem to recall even Dante pulled a paradoxical shift > and switcheroo between something Aristotle had said about poiesis, > and something that, hmmm . . . was if de capo of the Holy Roman > Empire also said, each in contradistinction with the other, so, > Dante did a little creative editing to make them more aligned with > his own purpose in the Commedia. I don't recall, exactly, and I > don't have the books in front of me, but that kind of manipulation > has been rife in literature from day one. Hermes, of course, is god > of thiefs, lockpicks and poets, so there's no surprise that we all > find ourselves (or get found out) inching the crowbar under the door > of "that good booty." In terms of creativity at large and poetry > specifically, we live in a dead zone, this is one of those dead > areas in the history of The Art, so it makes sense that operations > like Kent's or Kenny would look to be a mop-up scene, pulling > corpses out of circular lecture halls with pincers and dragging them > to The Fires, etc. Aesthetically, of course, and in cmplete denial > of poetry's current "situation": It's simply up for theft. And > these guys are doing the non-proprietary, proper thing, which is > dual: Giving old corpses burial by ceremonial fire (the repetition, > and, yeah, the repetition) as well as pulling off the originary act > of stealing a little of the black soil (blackened a little more by > the ash of the burning minions) from Paradise in order to institute > on the staid earth, the "new time" of yet another indecent and > lovely Adamic crime wave. > SE > > > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > Join me > >> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:28:09 -0400 >> From: rcdaley@GMAIL.COM >> Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> >> We all kill trees. Killing trees is positive: too many trees = too >> much CO = >> big problems for globe/warming trends. >> >> Seriously tho, I'll go out on a limb, or perhaps not, and say this: >> I like >> both ideas. I thought KG's idea was great and interesting (albeit, >> w/o >> reading in full) and Kent's new piece also seems interesting, >> especially >> relevant in an era when intellectual privacy, piracy and property >> is the >> next big thing (those of you not following the piratebay.org lawsuit, >> should). Goldsmith and KJ should celebrate together, they're >> pushing the >> boulder along, smiling. >> >> I will add that I think Johnson's project excels at what much of >> his work >> seems to address lately: the destruction of "PoBiz" egos and hype. >> Certainly >> Kent has created a type of anti-hype (not like anti-christ, more like >> anti-matter), denying authorship of Doubled Flowering to this day... >> >> I think Kent probably settled on this idea because of 1) DAY's >> concept >> almost begs for "theft" and 2) Goldsmith's work has received a lot of >> warranted and unwarranted attention. To attack something boring and >> unknown >> is one thing, but to attack what everyone seems to be talking >> about, now * >> that's* something. I think what Kent's piece says is not only that >> our ideas >> on authorship are hypocritical (giving KG credit for something he >> didn't >> "write," attacking Kent for something he most likely DID write, as >> if he >> were someone else), but that once accepted, that pseudonymous work >> can >> become sacrosanct, which would explain the hubbub here about KJ >> supposedly >> defiling KG's work. >> >> -Ryan >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Nick LoLordo >> wrote: >> >>> Killing trees? Kent has merely killed a few stickers. It's Kenny >>> who >>> killed the trees; in this sense Kent's work, whatever one thinks >>> of it >>> otherwise, is at least arguably a more "conceptual" project..... >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Christopher Leland Winks >>> wrote: >>> >>>> A lor of verbiage on Kent Johnson's taking the piss out of Kenneth >>>> Goldsmith, who richly deserves it as another one of those >>>> necrophiles >>>> brandishing (among other gestures) the cryogenically-preserved >>>> (freeze-dried?) corpse of a "conceptual" art sans concepts, sans >>>> art, >>> sans >>>> eyes, sans everything. But while I like the joke, is it really >>>> worth >>>> killing so many trees just to play one? >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines >>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> V. Nicholas LoLordo >>> Assistant Professor >>> Department of English >>> University of Nevada-Las Vegas >>> (702) 895-3623 >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:37:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christopher Leland Winks Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable None of this goes as far as Guy Debord=27s =22Hurlements en faveur de Sa= de=22 in terms of provocative anti-aestheitc moves=2C nor does it even a= pproach the theory of =22detournement=22 formulated in the 1950s by Debo= rd and Asger Jorn=2C following Isidore Ducasse=27s systematic practice o= f creative plagiarism (of Pascal=2C Vauvenargues=2C etc=2E) in the =22Po= =E9sies=22 from the second half of the 19th century=2E Maybe it=27s the= case=2C following the fashionable phrase=2C that =22everything old is n= ew again=2C=22 but to me it seems like literary history repeating itself= as farce=2E And Kent Johnson=2C whose work I admire=2C is certainly a = good *farceur* who at least indicates the fundamentally farcical nature = of po-biz and oxymoronic =22writing communities=22 populated by herds of= independent minds=2E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:02:30 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Brian Clements Subject: Firewheel/Sentence Announcement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Firewheel Editions announces the second Sentence Book Award and the fourth = Firewheel Chapbook Award. The Firewheel Chapbook Award is given to a collection of no more than 20 ma= nuscript pages in any genre. Preference is for innovative work (liberally i= nterpreted), work that crosses genres, work that combines images and text, = work in formats other than the traditionally bound book, or work that may h= ave difficulty finding publication elsewhere due to the nature, typography,= or format of the work. The recipient of the award will receive 50 copies o= ut of a limited edition. Entry fee: $15 by check to Firewheel Editions or b= y PayPal at http://firewheel-editions.org. Checks and submissions may be ma= iled to Firewheel Chapbook Award, Box 7, WCSU, 181 White St., Danbury, CT 0= 6810. Electronic submissions may be sent to chapbook@firewheel-editions.org= . Postmark/Timestamp Deadline for submissions and fees: November 17, 2009, = 11:59 pm PST. The Sentence Book Award will be given to a book-length manuscript of prose = poems or a book-length manuscript consisting substantially of prose poems (= for example, a book that is half prose poems and half free-verse, or a book= -length sequence that mixes passages of prose poetry with other modes). The= recipient of the award will receive publication in a trade paper edition w= ith a standard royalty contract and 50 copies of the book. All entrants wil= l receive Sentence #7 (entrants who are already subscribers will have their= subscription extended by one issue). Entry fee: $25 by check to Firewheel = Editions or by PayPal at http://firewheel-editions.org. Checks and submissi= ons may be mailed to Sentence Book Award, Box 7, WCSU, 181 White St., Danbu= ry, CT 06810. Electronic submissions may be sent to sentence@firewheel-edit= ions.org. Postmark/Timestamp Deadline for submissions and fees: November 17= , 2009, 11:59 pm PST. Firewheel Editions subscribes to the CLMP Code of Ethics: "CLMP's community= of independent literary publishers believes that ethical contests serve ou= r shared goal: to connect writers and readers by publishing exceptional wri= ting. We believe that intent to act ethically, clarity of guidelines, and t= ransparency of process form the foundation of an ethical contest. To that e= nd, we agree to 1) conduct our contests as ethically as possible and to add= ress any unethical behavior on the part of our readers, judges, or editors;= 2) to provide clear and specific contest guidelines defining conflict of i= nterest for all parties involved; and 3) to make the mechanics of our selec= tion process available to the public. This Code recognizes that different c= ontest models produce different results, but that each model can be run eth= ically. We have adopted this Code to reinforce our integrity and dedication= as a publishing community and to ensure that our contests contribute to a = vibrant literary heritage." The recipient of the Sentence Award will be selected by Brian Clements, Edi= tor of Sentence and Firewheel Editions; the recipient of the Firewheel Chap= book Award will be selected by Brian Clements and Tom Nackid, Design Manage= r for Firewheel Editions. In the event that no recipient is chosen for eith= er award, entry fees will be returned to all of the award's entrants. Autho= rs who have published a chapbook or book with Firewheel Editions, authors w= ho have served on the Board of Contributing Editors of Sentence, graduate o= r undergraduate students and relatives of Brian Clements and Tom Nackid, an= d all past and current staff members of Sentence and Firewheel Editions are= ineligible. All manuscripts will come to the editors anonymously after scr= eening and preparation by Firewheel staff. Submission guidelines: * Chapbook Award entrants must explain any special production requi= rements for their projects in the cover letter. * All entrants must provide email address or SASE for Award results= . * Unless SASE with sufficient postage for return is included, manus= cripts will be recycled. * Multiple submissions are acceptable with an entry fee for each su= bmission. * Translations are acceptable with proof of permission to publish t= ranslations. * Electronic submissions must be sent as a single attachment in .rt= f (preferred for text-only submissions), .doc, or .pdf format. * All submitted manuscripts must include a one-page cover with auth= or's name, title, author's email address, and name of Award (Chapbook or Se= ntence); also include a second title page with title only. * The author's name should be recognizable nowhere in the manuscrip= t other than on the cover page. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:41:26 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: This is What a (Pro)Feminist [Man Poet] Looks Like MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In May 2009,=A0Danielle Pafunda=A0curated the first installment of=A0Deliri= ous Hem's=A0This is What a Feminist [Poet] Looks Like.=A0=A0This forum feat= ured women discussing the relationship between their feminism & their poetr= y, and these contributions elicited thoughtful responses from women & men b= loggers alike.=A0=A0Mark Wallace=A0was one of those bloggers.=A0 Together, = we've curated=A0This is What a (Pro)Feminist [Man Poet] Looks Like.=A0=A0 W= e hope you'll visit, read, comment, & enjoy! Monday October 5: =A0Brian Teare, Christian Peet, & H.L. HixTuesday October= 6: =A0Hugh Behm-Steinberg, Kareem Estefan, & Kevin Simmonds=A0Wednesday Oc= tober 7: Mark Wallace, Mike Hauser, & Nate Pritts=A0Thursday October 8: Phi= lip Jenks, Tim Atkins, & Tony FrazerFriday October 9: Tony Trigilio, David = Lau & Rodrigo Toscano =A0 Upcoming Forums: November: This is What a Feminist [Poet] Looks Like, 2 December: 2009 Advent Kalendar (check out=A02008's!) Delirious Hem --=A0http://delirioushem.blogspot.com/2009_05_03_archive.html Delirious Lapel --=A0http://www.deliriouslapel.blogspot.com/ _______ NEW BOOK Slaves to Do These Things=A0-- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm -- For a = review copy, please email me directly.=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:04:49 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: { brad brace } Subject: NP/bbs Comments: To: fluxlist@yahoogroups.com, Art Criticism Discussion Forum , webartery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE NOW PLAYING: latest release: LBOSPI recordings field-compilations from Lake Brule, Oil Springs and Peele Island ___ ___ ___ over 13 hours of fresh mp3 rips of long reticent monoaural, radio-drifts=A5= , soup kitchens, police sirens, and forgotten film-soundtracks --- bbs: brad brace sound --- --- http://69.64.229.114:8000 --- --- http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html --- =A5 strangely compelling recordings from car radio while travelling under high-frequency transmission lines in central california --- bbs: brad brace sound --- --- http://69.64.229.114:8000 --- --- http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html --- [ eventually these will also be uploaded to internet archive, scrib and lul= u ] enjoy! /:b =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:37:57 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "J. P." Subject: DAY & son MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Are either on Kindle yet? ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:43:39 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Elizabeth Switaj Subject: Re: Chinese Whispers at Myopic Books In-Reply-To: <005f01ca44f1$b21cf610$1656e230$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So is this event going to address the relationship between the term "Chinese Whispers" and the racist notion that Chinese speech is all just a jumble of unintelligible syllables? Or are we just ignoring that? Elizabeth Kate Switaj www.elizabethkateswitaj.net ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:41:43 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: ART ELECTRONICS Subject: 53. Venice Biennale: Poetry Network & Virtual Installation on SL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 53. BIENNALE DI VENEZIA Eventi Collaterali Poetry Network / Net-Poetry Reading in Web Cam by Caterina Davinio Info: e-mail: caterinadavinio@gmail.com Audio/video events of poetry in networked live connection The Italian digital artist and poet Caterina Davinio on October 9 will=20 realize in San Servolo (Venice) - in the context of the Venice Biennale = /=20 Collateral Events - a poetry video-reading in web cam, together with = poets=20 and artists from the world, who will bring their poetic presence in a=20 participative event of global communication. NOTE: This collaborative performance is part of 53. Esposizione=20 Internazionale d'Arte La Biennale di Venezia - Eventi Collaterali 2009 / = MHO_Save The Poetry / Fondazione Mare Nostrum Opening: October 9 2009 Time: live 03:PM - 04:00 PM (Italian time) Get info, time could be = changed.=20 Recordings screening no-stop. Curators: Fondazione Mare Nostrum, Marco Nereo Rotelli. Coordination: = Elena=20 Lombardi. Curator of virtual events on line (Planetary & Interplanetary=20 Poetry Events): Caterina Davinio. Technical Assistance: Riccardo = Preziosi. Artists: Caterina Davinio, in connction with the poets and artists: Stefano Donno (Italy Lecce), Vincenzo Bagnoli (Italy Bologna), Ruth = Lepson=20 (USA), Phoebe Giannisi (Greece), Obododimma Oha (Nigeria), Nicole Mauro=20 (USA), Mirona Magearu (USA), Matteo Fantuzzi (Italy Bologna), Massimo = Mori=20 (Italy Firenze), Lamberto Pignotti (Italy Roma), Italo Testa (France),=20 Gabriele Montagano (Italy Napoli), Francesco Muzzioli (Italy Roma, = audio),=20 David Seaman (USA),Craig Saper (USA), Avi Rosen (Israel), Annamaria=20 Ferramosca (Italy Roma), Alfonso Siracusa (Italy Siracusa), Cristina=20 Vignocchi (Italy Sant'Andrea Pelago / Modena), Joseph Young (UK), = Liliana=20 Ugolini (Italy Firenze, audio), Philip Meersman (The Netherlands), Juan = Diaz=20 Infante (Mexico), Denis Belley (Quebec Canada), Annelisa Addolorato = (Italy,=20 Milan), Mariapia Quintavalla (Italy, Milan), Anna Balint (Hungary), Elif = Sezen (Australia/Turchia), Mario Lunetta (Italy, Roma) Genre: contemporary art/poetry, net-art, digital art, poetry, = avant-garde The digital artist and poet Caterina Davinio will realize in San Servolo = Island (Venice, Italia) a net-poetry reading by web cam, with poets and=20 artists from the world, in the context of the project MHO_Save the = Poetry,=20 collateral event of the Venice Biennale, Marco Nereo Rotelli Curator. = The=20 poets - by software Skype and web cam - will bring their poetic presence = in=20 a great event of communication: the poetry word as individual instance, = but=20 also identity of people and global breath, by new media and = communication=20 technologies. After the virtual installation "Poetry Shuttle Landing on SL", on the = 40.=20 anniversary of the Lunar Landing, for celebrating the Centenary of = Italian=20 Futurism, a new digital performance based on communication, as a virtual = place for interchange and aggregation, opportunity of dialogue and = presence. Mare Nostrum Foundation has developed other projects about the topic of=20 cultural identities in danger: Isola della Poesia (installation by Marco = N.=20 Rotelli) collateral event of the Venice Biennale 2005, which included = the=20 virtual event on line Isola Virtuale by Caterina Davinio (500 involved=20 poets). But the collaboration between Rotelli and Davinio started in = 2001,=20 when Bunker Poetico - special project by Harald Szeemann - was realized = in=20 the 49. Venice Biennale. More then 1000 poets participated In Bunker = Poetico=20 from many countries. LINKS - NETWORK POETICO - VMH Caterina Davinio Curator These are some of the links of the "Planetary & Interplanetary virtual=20 events" in the context of the 53rd Biennale di Venezia - Eventi = Collaterali=20 2009: -The First Poetry Shuttle Landing on Second Life http://slurl.com/secondlife/Face%20North/163/50/22 - Special Event: Poetry Network -"Poetry Readings in Web Cam" (line/off = line, live) on October 9 2009 in San Servolo (Venezia, Italia). After = this=20 date, recordings on the YouTube Channel (until November 22) - Network Poetico VMH / Welcome on Board. Virtual Happening in the = Biennale=20 Opening days and open call on line (Dead Line November 22 2009). The = "guest=20 book" of the space-shuttle is linkable from the Internet and from Second = Life. Submit a poem http://xoomer.virgilio.it/cprezi/poetry-join.htm http://xoomer.virgilio.it/cprezi/installazione-sl-join.htm For SL performance submissions, contact caterinadavinio@gmail.com =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:36:37 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I didn't care much about anything (time, quality of consciousness, engagement of value, etc.) except getting my name dribbled about, I'd write an epic titled _Daze_ by retyping, in turn, Goldsmith and Johnson. As it is . . . ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:00:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tim Peterson Subject: EOAGH 5 Now Online - Launch at CUNY GC on 10/6 Comments: To: POETICS-L automatic digest system , English Department Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *EOAGH ISSUE 5 LAUNCH * ** *TUESDAY, OCT 6 @6PM* Martin Segal Theater, CUNY Graduate Center 365 Fifth Ave NYC This event is co-sponsored by the Center for the Humanities, the GC Poetics Group, and Chax Press 6:00 Dorothea Lasky 6:10 Kate Broad 6:20 Uche Nduka 6:30 John Harkey 6:40 Thomas Fink 6:50 CA Conrad 7:00 Benjamin Miller 7:10 Vincent Katz 7:20 Louis Bury 7:30 Anne Tardos 7:40 Emily Moore 7:50 Ari Banias 8:00 Paolo Javier 8:10 Stefania Heim 8:20 Kimberly Lyons 8:30 Emily Beall 8:40 Julian Brolaski 8:50 Sueyeun Juliette Lee *NOW ONLINE* *EOAGH: A Journal of the Arts* *ISSUE 5* http://chax.org/eoagh/issuefive.html * * * Contents: A PANEL, READING, & EXHIBITION curated by Charles Alexander CHARLES OLSON: LANGUAGE AS PHYSICAL FACT Tenney Nathanson Cole Swensen Steve McCaffery Barbara Henning Anne Waldman . A CHAPBOOK Nothing is in Here, by Andrew Levy READINGS/ARTICLES An Interview with Kevin Killian, by Tony Leuzzi TEXT FOR A CUL-DE-SAC, by Wystan Curnow & Lawrence Weiner The Functional Art of Bruce Nauman, by Jessica Hullman A Topological Memoir by Penelope Bloodworth Poetic Ecologies in Bruxelles, by Arpine Konyalian Grenier Composition as Exposition: A Case File, by Bill Marsh Paradox: The Diminishing Increase of an Author, by Tom Clark Field Poetics (a compleat history of de-individualizing practices), by Donald Wellman Merce Cunningham's "Nearly Ninety," by Mark Lamoureux Raymond Roussel's (New) Africa, by Louis Bury Iterative View (of Brent Cunningham's Bird & Forest), by Jesse Seldess Double Review of Amy King, by Matthew Rotando Review of Brenda Iijima's Rabbit Lesson, by Geoffrey Olsen Metapoetic Speculation In/On Tom Beckett's "This Poem," by Thomas Fink Reading Julian Poirer's Poetry, by Filip Marinovich Review of Joseph Lease's Broken World, by John Chavez A POWERPOINT Pace of Dream, by Eric Magrane & Wendy Burk PLAYS Captain America, by Laura Goldstein The Obituary Show, by CA Conrad from Conversations over Stolen Food, by Andy Fitch & Jon Cotner POETRY BY Samuel Ace & Maureen Seaton, William Allegrezza, Renee Angle, Robyn Art, Ari Banias, Emily Beall, Roberto Bedoya, James Belflower, Graeme Bezanson, Carlos T. Blackburn, Kate Broad, Julian T. Brolaski, Ethan Saul Bull, Tetman Callis, Tyler Carter, Sean Casey, Stephen Chamberlain, Cheryl Clark, Kate Colby, Thomas Cook, Lisa Cooper, Barbara Cully, Mark Cunningham, Shira Dentz, Amanda Deutch, Michelle Detorie, Rachel Blau DuPlessis, Moses Eder, Will Edmiston, Thomas Fink & Maya Diablo Mason, Greg Fuchs, Kristen Gallagher, Lawrence Giffin, Giles Goodland, Noah Eli Gordon, Stephanie Gray, Arpine Grenier, Gabriel Gudding, John Harkey, Jeff Harrison, Nathan Hauke, Stefania Heim, Derek Henderson, Michael S. Hennessey, Chelsea Hodson, N. M. Hoffman, Erika Howsare, Paolo Javier, Adeena Karasick, Michael Kelleher, Vincent Katz, Amy King, Paula Kolek, Dorothea Lasky, Gregory Laynor, Sueyeun Juliette Lee, Ruth Lepson, Joel Lewis, Eric Lindley, Hillary Lyon, Kimberly Lyons, Jami Macarty, Majena Mafe, Jill Magi, CJ Martin, Filip Marinovich, Kristi Maxwell, Rachel May & Joshua A. Ware, E.J. McAdams, Pattie McCarthy, Chris McCreary, Nicholas Messenger, Benjamin Miller, Carol Mirakove, Rajiv Mohabir, Emily Moore, Glenn Mott, Uche Nduka, Gale Nelson, Maurice Olivier, Geoffrey Olsen, Monica Peck, Jennifer Petersen, Lance Phillips, Siri Phillips, Nick Piombino, Lanny Quarles, Jessy Randall & Daniel M. Shapiro, Karin Randolph, Karen Randall & Ross, Priddle, Michael Rerick, Christie Ann Reynolds, James Sanders, Sam Schild, Kyle Schlesinger, Morgan Lucas Schuldt, Paul Siegell, Sandra Simonds, Joel Sloman, Rick Snyder, Alan Sondheim, Leah Souffrant, Sparrow, Christopher Stackhouse, Elizabeth Kate Switaj, Eileen Tabios, Paige Taggart, Anne Tardos, Jeremy James Thompson, Elizabeth Treadwell, Matt Turner, Mara Vahratian, Nico Vassilakis, Andi Werblin, Sara Wintz, and Deborah Wood. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:42:49 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed New and On View: Mudlark Poster No. 83 (2009) Galicia 1986 | Nick Ripatrazone Nick Ripatrazone's work has recently appeared or is forthcoming in The Kenyon Review, The Saint Ann's Review, Sou'wester, The Los Angeles Review, and The New York Quarterly. He lives with his wife in northern New Jersey and is pursuing an MFA from Rutgers University. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:00:25 +0200 Reply-To: argotist@fsmail.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Statement from Kent Johnson Comments: To: British Poetics , Poetryetc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeffrey Side wrote, kindly offering to send in a response by me to recent posts here. It would be easier to post directly, of course, but that doesn't seem to be possible. Just to say I'm a bit bemused by the many earnest comments (at Poetics, at the other two major poetry lists, and at the initial first announcement of the wok here [I just noticed the typo, I'll keep it] http://www.digitalemunction.com/2009/09/22/advertisement-kent-johnsonsday/#comments) that dismiss my new book as "trivial" in nature, as a "tempest in a teapot," as a gesture devoid of "risk," and so on. You have to admit: For a "publication" so trifling, the book sure seems to be generating a lot of indignation! The thing is, these comments on the work's triviality are quite correct and obviously so. And I am sort of disappointed that part of its conceptual point seems to have been missed by so many. Alison Croggon's "yawn," for example, is perfectly poignant, inasmuch as she seems unawares that the Goldsmith wing of "Conceptualism" feverishly advocates Boredom as a poetic principle! So why my book would be dismissed because it out-bores KG's is beyond me. The muse that paid me a visit, you see, *instructed me* to be boring and to really go all the way, not just halfway, as with the case of KG's dime a dozen neo-readymade move. My Day aims to be, precisely, a dialectical advance in the concept of boredom. Which doesn't mean it's original (well, OK, maybe it is a little bit), or risky, or worth the paper it's not even written on. I hope that helps clarify things. Still, it's pleasing to see there are as many poets expressing enthusiasms about my book as there are those in a snit about it. Today, for example, Charles Zito posted the following comment at Digital Emunction, and I share it, eager that the many of you who are avant-garde academics will use it as he plans to use it. Perhaps after the full-page ad comes out next month, in a publication widely available at your local chain bookstore, more of you will? I hope so, as sales of the book (of which there already have been an unexpected few!) will help the continuing work of BlazeVOX, to which fabulous press I am donating all royalties. Anyway, here's what Charles Zito wrote: >After watching a video on Kenny G, I wondered how far this conceptualism, with its lack of concern for originality or copyrights, could go. That it has resulted in this "reproduction" is truly entertaining. I just wanted to let you know that, as a result, your accomplishment will be discussed in my graduate poetry workshop. Thought you might enjoy that knowledge.< Further, just as an informational note (and I promise I am not making this up), I have heard in the past couple days that there are tentative plans in the UK for the publication of a _Day Variorum_, both texts, KG's and KJ's, in one volume, set in parallel columns for ease of comparison. Hopefully, some of the hefty copies will be adopted in future seminars at those new citadels of Conceptualism, U. of Penn and Princeton. best, Kent ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:30:46 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: often I am permitted to return to Duncan In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you so much for reading Duncan's poem.=A0 It happens to be one of my = favorites.=A0 When I tried to read your poem, nothing came up.=A0 Sorry.=A0= Regards, Tom Savage=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:= Nate Pritts =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU= =0ASent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 11:00:12 AM=0ASubject: often I am permitte= d to return to Duncan=0A=0AIncliner - the magazine from the Art Academy of = Cincinnati - has a new series on their blog called SEEING IS READING: video= recordings of artists & writers.=A0 Here's the link:=0A=0Ahttp://inclinerma= gazine.blogspot.com/=0A=0AThe newest installment is up now - me reading Rob= ert Duncan's poem "Often I Am Permitted to Return to a Meadow."=A0 It is ac= companied by an essay that is about Coleridge, Duncan & Nate Pritts (veerin= g off into talk about my new book, THE WONDERFULL YEARE, due out in early 2= 010 from Cooper Dillon books).=0A=0AI had kind of a bad hair cut at the tim= e.=0A=0A=0A___________=0A:: Dr. Nate Pritts=0A=0A:: http://www.natepritts.c= om=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0 = =A0=A0=A0 =A0 =0A__________________________________________________________= _______=0AYour E-mail and More On-the-Go. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:50:25 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Katz Subject: Re: DAY & son In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 no, but i think you can get the actual nytimes itself on kindle ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:08:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Oct 10: 4000 WORDS 4000 DEAD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 4000 WORDS 4000 DEAD street performance by Jennifer Karmin Saturday, October 10th 4-5pm in front of the Epiphany Church 201 S. Ashland Avenue Chicago, IL "I want to start with the milestone today of 4,000 dead in Iraq. Americans. And just what effect do you think it has on the country?" -- Martha Raddatz, ABC News' White House correspondent to Dick Cheney Jennifer Karmin has been collecting 4000 WORDS for the 4000 DEAD Americans in Iraq. All words are being used to create a public poem. During street performances, she gives away these words to passing pedestrians. Submissions are ongoing as the Iraq War continues and the number of dead grows. Send 1-10 words with subject 4000 WORDS to jkarmin@yahoo.com. Participants include: Emily Abendroth, Harold Abramowitz, Amanda Ackerman, Manan Ahmed, Charles Alexander, mIEKAL aND, David Baratier, Michael Basinski, Cara Benson, Charles Bernstein, Anselm Berrigan, Rachel Blau DuPlessis, Laynie Browne, Lee Ann Brown, Amina Cain, Teresa Carmody, Maxine Chernoff, Catherine Daly, Patrick Durgin, Annie Finch, Daniel Godston, Arielle Greenberg, Kate Greenstreet, Roberto Harrison, Carla Harryman, David Hernandez, Jen Hofer, Lisa Janssen, Pierre Joris, John Keene, Matthew Klane, Toni Asante Lightfoot, Joyelle McSweeney, Miranda Mellis, Philip Metres, Vanessa Place, Kristin Prevallet, Lisa Samuels, Susan Schultz, Laura Sims, Juliana Spahr, Christopher Stackhouse, Chuck Stebelton, Stacy Szymaszek, Tony Trigilio, Eric Unger, Joshua Marie Wilkinson, Andrew Zawacki, and many more. Sponsored by: the 4th annual Chicago Calling Festival, http://chicagocalling.org & Chicago Artists Month 2009, http://www.chicagoartistsmonth.org October 10th Chicago Calling performances 2-11pm at the Epiphany Church with: Rachel Thorne Germond, World Listening Project, Laura Goldstein, Marisa Plumb, Rebecca Cooling-Mallard, Ryan Ingebritsen, Esther Vomplon, Krista Franklin, Harry Ross, Ira S. Murfin, Brother Anthony Teague, Kyeong Hee Choi, Hasan Abdur-Razzaq, Gerard Cox, Adam Smith, Kristy Bowen, Julie Strand, Christopher Preissing, Guillermo Gregorio, Jayve Montgomery, Ben Boye, Joel Wanek, Jennie Knaggs, Joel Peterson, Nick Schillace, Jon Brumit Regina Baiocchi, Houreya Elsayed, Ed Roberson, Philip Greenlief, Paul Hartsaw, Clifton Hyde, Damon Short, and a few surprises. $15 admission http://www.epiphany-chicago.org ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:06:29 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alison Croggon Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <5CA82D628C40AD4E9EB5013ADB6F6A9A4EA6D75CA1@artsmail4.ARTSNET.AUCKLAND.AC.NZ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Wystan. I can't believe how my fingers itch reading this stuff, the way it makes you want to open your mouth and comment, although you know it would be better not to. And then you regret it. And here I am again. I guess in that way Kent's action is a hugely successful provocation. I was never exercised with its "originality". It's a complacent action because it has all the answers in advance, and any criticism is instantly self-cancelling. I think that's deadly. It's boring because all it is about is literary politics, all that strategic acuteness you mention, as if there isn't a world out there (yes, I am perfectly aware of Kent's background and involvement, and am grateful to him for introducing me to contemporary Russian poetry - I know he can do more interesting things). It presents itself a risk - or at least Jeffrey is presenting it as risk, to be fair I'm not sure Kent is - when it involves no risk at all (it would have been much more risky, and maybe if the question of contemporary authorship was the issue would have had more point, as someone else said, to plagiarise Dan Brown). As if Goldsmith is going to bother to sue. I do think the fact that the book is simply a matter of putting stickers over KG's name is funny, because - as I said in some comment earlier - it's a better joke if the book doesn't exist at all, and it clearly doesn't. But it takes about two minutes to get the punchline, and then I find myself here, being part of the performance, so that Jeffrey can go "aha! you see? what an interesting literary controversy!" Jeffrey, of course KG "recontextualises" the language in DAY, whether he says he does or not. He takes the text of the NYT and puts it between the covers of a book. If that's not recontextualising I don't know what is. And of course that "defamiliarises" it. I've seen Goldsmith perform his found texts (is this what is meant by "not reading" them?) and it's far from boring, whatever his own intentions - more a sudden levitation of the mundane and unheard into vivid life. I guess this is also a performance of sorts, but really, what for? It assumes a whole lot of things about literature and then goes out to prove them, like bad science. And here I am helping it along. Mouth zipping up now. xA On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Wystan Curnow wr= ote: > Alison wrote: 'what's mostly getting up my nose is the smartarse complace= ncy of the publicity, which is, I guess, > the point of the whole exercise.' =A0It is part of the point, but not the= whole point. =A0But it's a separate point, =A0'Conceptualist poetry' comes > comes rhetorically wrapped, because I read it as faux avant =A0wrapping, = and take its =A0serio-comic register as strategically acute, I do not find = it complacent, and it does not get up my nose, let alone my smart arse. > > Then she wrote:'the supposedly radical transformation is not radical at a= ll, it just shifts the language from literature to more literature'. > True enough, except that there's much to be said for, =A0and has been sai= d of, shifting language from literature to more literature. To start with > what is of interest in a comparison of Johnson's appropriation with Golds= mith's appropriation, relies less on the matter of 'originality' than on th= e =A0comparison of the role Day plays in Goldsmith's oeuvre with the role i= t acquires within Johnson's. > > Wystan > > > > ________________________________________ > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf O= f Alison Croggon [ajcroggon@GMAIL.COM] > Sent: Saturday, 3 October 2009 3:30 p.m. > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson > > Jeffrey, to be perfectly honest what's mostly getting up my nose is > the smartarse complacency of the publicity, which is, I guess, the > point of the whole exercise. You can't measure artistic courage by > suability, or every tabloid journo would be Pound. Mind you, > Enzensberger did say once that the contemporary tabloid paper is the > exemplary modernist art object, but if that's the case Goldsmith is > onto it while Johnson isn't. I can see, like Jonathan, the point of > recontextualising language in the way KG does - there's nothing in > KJ's act that recontextualises the language, except the fact that he's > put his name on it, when authorship was never that important in the > first place. In other words, the supposedly radical transformation is > not radical at all, it just shifts the language from literature to > more literature, and it merely operates at the level of a punchline. > Ok, the subsequent (non)fuss points to the mechanisms by which books > get known in the consumerist politcs of exchange etc, but really, > yawn. In theorising "theft as an artistic act" - which as several > people have said isn't precisely groundbreaking - I think it's > seriously more interesting to look at Madoff. Or maybe that young guy > who stole Damien Hirst's pencil, who _is_ being sued (and who I think > is much funnier and is making a much more interesting point). And here > you are talking about the "innovation" of a book you frankly confess > you haven't read, which is wholly reductio ad absurdum. I mean, it's a > fake storm in an egg-cup. > > xA > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Jeffrey Side wrote: >> Mairead, >> >> But being fun as a measure of artistic worth is not being questioned by >> Kent? What he is questioning are concepts of authorship in relation to >> literary theft. >> >> >> >> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:06:16 -0400, Mairead Byrne >> wrote: >> >>>Other aspects of the artistic practices of KG and KJ are worth >> considering. =A0KG has brought Abbie Hoffman's Steal This Book to vital >> and extraordinary development in the stunning super-energizing >> panoramic UbuWeb. =A0He's also an A1 performer: live, on paper, and >> conceptually. =A0Ever seen/heard/sat under his Bern Porter piece? =A0I a= gree >> with Maria that he's a LOT of fun. =A0KJ is kinda fun too, and appeals j= ust >> as heartily to some senses of humor as KG does to mine. =A0The work >> often seems mean to me, not just mean-spirited but flimsy. =A0A lot of >> what KG is doing is energizing the poetry world by importing and writing >> (in VERY large letters) ideas from the art world. =A0KJ, to me, is a kin= d of >> policeman (CIA man?), setting off small bombs to injure poets, or at >> least crumple their horny toe-nails. =A0This policeman is an upstanding >> citizen as teacher and translator though, maybe he even loves poetry >> there. =A0But at night, he puts on his little cape, and runs round stick= ing >> needles into things .....YIKES now he's heading for me.... >>> >>> >>>>>> Jonathan Ball 10/02/09 9:39 AM >>> >>>Thanks Jeffrey, however I did read your post when you originally sent it >>>around. My original point is to take issue with your statement, as I >> claim >>>that there is nothing innovative or audacious about this appropriation >> by >>>Johnson. Its conceptual value is not to earmark thievery as art, or to >>>question categories of authorship --- both dry, boring notions by now -- >> - >>>but rather to extend to its logical extreme the rhetoric of a >> conceptualist >>>like Goldsmith. >>> >>>My point is that Goldsmith's rhetoric of conceptulist value being the >> only >>>value is already dry and boring. What makes Goldsmith's texts, such >> as DAY, >>>innovative and audacious works is the actual poetic richness of the >> texts >>>produced under these "uncreative" constraints, not the their >> conceptualist >>>underpinnings. Therefore, Johnson's act, aside from being hamfisted >> satire, >>>is just "more of the same" insofar as conceptualist writing is >> concerned. >>>Goldsmith makes use of conceptualist tactics to defamiliarize >> language (in >>>this case the language of journalism and advertising) through a >> reframing in >>>order to produce poetic texts. Johnson is taking a work of conceptualist >>>poetry as his source, and turning it into more conceptualist poetry .... >> no >>>such radical defamiliarization of language has occurred (in other >> words, no >>>poetry is produced through a shift of the text's framework). >>> >>>Moreover, the act by Johnson will not lead to legal action --- Goldsmith >>>suing over somebody stealing his previously stolen text .... the >> thought is >>>absurd. The original act by Goldsmith is the only one subject to legal >>>action. In any case, whether or not a poetic act is subject to legal >> action >>>is no source or guarantor of its artistic value. >>> >>>Jonathan >>> >>> >>> >>>On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Jeffrey Side >> wrote: >>> >>>> Jonathan, please see my blog on this, where I say: >>>> >>>> 'Incidentally, it could be said that Johnson's appropriation of >>>> Goldsmith's "work" is, perhaps, the more innovative and audacious >> act >>>> in comparison to Goldsmith's "original" gesture, which, I think most >> will >>>> recognise, was based on an already established artistic precedent.' >>>> >>>> >>>> http://jeffrey-side.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:35:34 -0500, Jonathan Ball >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >I want to say that I'm not annoyed by Johnson's DAY. I am new to >>>> this list >>>> >and don't really know who Johnson is, he seems to have a longer >>>> history with >>>> >this list (somebody mentioned that he was banned from it, for >>>> reasons I >>>> >don't know about). I think his project is intended as a joke, but >> since >>>> it >>>> >is being presented and supported by some as serious work, I just >>>> want to >>>> >talk about whether or not it stands or falls as serious work. It >> certainly >>>> >succeeds as a joke. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Adam Katz >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > What if one took the annoyed response to >>>> >> > Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Not to answer this question one way or another, but to point out >>>> that, were >>>> >> this reaction what he was going for, that still doesn't make it >>>> a "good" >>>> >> thing to have gone for. =A0It may very well be, though. >>>> >> a >>>> >> >>>> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:20:59 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: Tinfish 19 is in the house!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aloha Tinfish friends-- I am writing to announce publication of our 19th issue of the annual journal, which is beautifully designed, covered by hand-made stuffs, and full of wonderful work. Please support our efforts to publish experimental poetry from the Pacific. _Tinfish 19_ includes parodies of Wallace Stevens by Jill Yamasawa and Gizelle Gajelonia; a letter to the editor in verse by Ryan Oishi; poems from Daniel Tiffany's forthcoming Tinfish volume, _Dandelion Clock_; landlord poems by Oscar Bermeo and Deborah Woodard; interventions in Maoist indigestion by Kenny Tanemura and Guantanamo by Rachel Loden; as well as poems by such luminaries as Barbara Jane Reyes, Jody Arthur, Jennifer Reimer, Janna Plant, Brandon Shimoda, Mandy Luo, Dennis Phillips, Emelihter Kihleng, Paul Naylor and others. Graphic design by Chae Ho Lee, covers and centerfold by Maya Portner, editorial assistance from Jade Sunouchi, art direction from Gaye Chan, and editorial diligence by Susan M. Schultz. The covers were handmade, the books handbound. $10. We are charging $12 through http://www.facebook.com/l/5f651;2checkout.com (go to http://www.facebook.com/l/5f651;tinfishpress.com, click on "purchase," go to the bottom of the 2checkout page and order that way) because we no longer get our postage from UH. You can also order at 47-728 Hui Kelu Street #9, Kane`ohe, HI 96744, the home office. For more, please read the Editor's Blog here. Includes photographs of our making the covers by hand, and of very cute children (if I may say so myself!). http://www.facebook.com/l/5f651;tinfisheditor.blogspot.com/2009/10/tinfish-19-as-unalienated-labor-only.html aloha, Susan M. Schultz Editor -------------------- ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:52:18 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: often I am permitted to return to Duncan In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit thank you nate pritts--I remember duncan coming to classes at stony brook & dancing around as he wrote fragments on the board & drew arrows btwn them--I wrote many poems after this one. didn't notice the haircut. On 10/4/09 11:00 AM, "Nate Pritts" wrote: > Incliner - the magazine from the Art Academy of Cincinnati - has a new series > on their blog called SEEING IS READING: videorecordings of artists & writers. > Here's the link: > > http://inclinermagazine.blogspot.com/ > > The newest installment is up now - me reading Robert Duncan's poem "Often I Am > Permitted to Return to a Meadow." It is accompanied by an essay that is about > Coleridge, Duncan & Nate Pritts (veering off into talk about my new book, THE > WONDERFULL YEARE, due out in early 2010 from Cooper Dillon books). > > I had kind of a bad hair cut at the time. > > > ___________ > :: Dr. Nate Pritts > > :: http://www.natepritts.com > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Please send one copy of your manuscript along with two copies of the title page (note: the reading process is not "blind"--we ask for two title pages only so that we may keep one with the manuscript, and the other for reference/notes, etc). Be sure that your title pages include your name, address, telephone number, and email address. Cover letters are read with interest. We like to know who your are, what you're up to, and where we can read more of your work. We do accept simultaneous submissions but ask that you let us know immediately if your manuscript is accepted elsewhere. Individual pieces from the manuscript may have been previously published in magazines, anthologies, and short-run chapbooks, but the collection as a whole must be unpublished. Manuscripts will not be returned. Please do not send us your only copy. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:43:41 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: { brad brace } Subject: pleated plaid pamphlets published Comments: To: WRYTING-L automatic digest -- Theory and Writing , webartery , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 004 Rank Abuse Rank and Fashion Roadside Rubble 005 Rapid Cellular Proliferation Rapid Circuit Roar of Breakers 006 Rapid Glance Rapid Rate Roared Forth 007 Rapid Readings Rapid Response Roaring Streams 008 Rapid Russian Rapid Strides Roasted River Horse 009 Rapidly Reverted Rapidly Risen Roasted Toasted 010 Robbed Blind Robed Investiture Rock Calm 011 Rock Ridge Rocket Fins Rockhampton Ebony 012 Rapt Affection Rapt Attention Rapt Bemusement 013 Rapt Fury Rapt Intensity Rapt Stance 014 Rapturous Exclamation Rare Art Rare Bird Rare Distinction 015 Rare Elation Rare Explicit Clarity Rare Felicity Rare Forays 12 new pleated plaid pamphlets published! now second editions with 1125 pages only $20USD { brad brace } Pleated Plaid Pamphlets Volume 004-015; Number 2 [accompaniment to insatiable abstraction engine] http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/abstraction-engine.html http://www.bbrace.net/abstraction-engine.html bbrace@eskimo.com brad brace, bbrace, architecture, poetry, engineering, biography, memoir, illustration, map, creative, writing, drama, opera, puzzles, games, samizdat, artists' books, poetry, fluxus, contemporary, art, design, fiction,musical { brad brace } Pleated Plaid Pamphlet Volume 015; Number 2 [accompaniment to insatiable abstraction engine] http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/abstraction-engine.html http://www.bbrace.net/abstraction-engine.html bbrace@eskimo.com brad brace, bbrace, architecture, poetry, engineering, biography, memoir, illustration, map, creative, writing, drama, opera, puzzles, games, samizdat, artists' books, poetry, fluxus, contemporary, art, design, fiction,musical ppp4a http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-004-no-2/7746407 ppp5a http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-005-no-2/7746574 ppp6a http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-006-no-2/7746787 ppp7a http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-007-no-2/7746870 ppp8a http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-008-no-2/7746979 ppp9a http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-009-no-2/7747086 ppp10a http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-010-no-2/7747334 ppp11a http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-011-no-2/7747391 ppp12a http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-012-no-2/7748111 ppp13a http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-013-no-2/7748182 ppp14a http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-014-no-2/7748264 ppp15a http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-015-no-2/7748343 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:04:25 -0400 Reply-To: Listen & Be Heard Editor Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Martha Cinader Mims Subject: PR:Newcomer to Greenville to be Guest Speaker in Travelers Rest Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed September 29, 2009 Press Release: For Immediate Release Contact: Martha Mims phone:864-356-6772 e-mail:editor@listenandbeheard.net Photos and Interviews available upon request. What: Guest Poet Martha Cinader Mims When: Friday, Nov. 13, 7pm Where: Leopard Forest Cafe, 26 S. Main St. Travelers Rest, SC How Much: $2 Event phone#: 864-834-5500 Event e-mail: beans@leopardforestcoffee.com Martha Cinader Mims, a new arrival in Greenville, will be the guest speaker on Friday, Nov. 13 at 7pm at the Leopard Forest Cafe in Travelers Rest. Every second Friday of the month, Trillium Arts Center hosts a poetry open mic that follows a reading by a guest poet at the Leopard Forest Cafe. After newcomer, Martha Cinader Mims, made a brief appearance for the open mic in August and then disappeared, they found her on the internet and requested for her to return as a guest speaker. This will be her first public appearance in South Carolina. Originally from New York City, Martha Cinader Mims is a published poet and author, who has also toured in America and Europe as a spoken word artist and even has a underground hit on vinyl. She and her husband, Tony Mims, published Listen & Be Heard Weekly and ran Listen & Be Heard Poetry Cafe in the bay area of California for five years, before moving to Greenville, his hometown. She is presently working on a novel and also seeking opportunities for storytelling, another aspect of her work as a writer. Martha Cinader Mims Listen & Be Heard Network editor@listenandbeheard.net http://www.listenandbeheard.net Get Skype and call me for free. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:03:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Martha Cinader Mims Subject: PR: Poetic Symmetry in Downtown Greenville Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed October 6, 2009 Press Release: For Immediate Release Contact: Martha Mims, 864-356-6772, editor@listenandbeheard.net Please include the following event in your calendar. Interviews and Photos are available upon request. Poetic Symmetry with Martha & Tony Mims Saturday, Dec. 12, 7:30pm Coffee Underground 1 E Coffee St Greenville, SC 29601 864-298-0494 info@coffeeunderground.biz I met my husband Tony, a poet, when I was hosting Listen & Be Heard =20 Open Mic in Vallejo, CA. He appeared to be trying not to be noticed, =20= but after creating a sensation on the mic, he stood out in the crowd. =20= I tried to act like he wasn=92t going to rock my world, but he did =20 anyway. After that fated meeting we published Listen & Be Heard =20 Weekly together and opened Listen & Be Heard Poetry Cafe in downtown =20 Vallejo. After five years we closed up shop, and continue only with =20 the online Arts News and Poetry publications. We felt like we had =20 done everything we could do where we were, and I followed him with =20 our three boys to his hometown, Greenville, SC. He always told me that Greenville was a beautiful and unique city and =20= he was going to move me there one day. And I=92m glad he did! =20 Greenville is indeed a rare gem, and in the five months that I have =20 been living here, I=92ve seen many signs of a flourishing arts = community. On Saturday December 12, at 7:30pm we will make our arrival official =20 with a poetic performance in the theatre at the Coffee Underground in =20= downtown Greenville. We have distinctive styles, quite different from =20= each other. Both improvisational fun and the culmination of decades =20 of spoken word performance between the two of us, what happens when =20 we come together is synergistic and transformative. We look forward to sharing the excitement with friends, family and =20 poetry lovers in Greenville. The Coffee Underground serves dinner and =20= desserts and of course espresso drinks, coffee and tea. Seating is =20 limited to fifty. Advance purchase of tickets is recommended, and =20 will be available at the counter, at the Coffee Underground. Martha Cinader Mims Listen & Be Heard Network editor@listenandbeheard.net http://www.listenandbeheard.net Get Skype and call me for free. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:40:24 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <5da0b619211e08.4ac9cc59@mail.nyu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable have to get new glasses -- I read that as "nerds of independent minds" On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Christopher Leland Winks wrote: > None of this goes as far as Guy Debord's "Hurlements en faveur de Sade" i= n > terms of provocative anti-aestheitc moves, nor does it even approach the > theory of "detournement" formulated in the 1950s by Debord and Asger Jorn= , > following Isidore Ducasse's systematic practice of creative plagiarism (o= f > Pascal, Vauvenargues, etc.) in the "Po=E9sies" from the second half of th= e > 19th century. Maybe it's the case, following the fashionable phrase, tha= t > "everything old is new again," but to me it seems like literary history > repeating itself as farce. And Kent Johnson, whose work I admire, is > certainly a good *farceur* who at least indicates the fundamentally farci= cal > nature of po-biz and oxymoronic "writing communities" populated by herds = of > independent minds. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University University Park, PA 16802-6200 aln10@psu.edu sailing the blogosphere at http://heatstrings.blogspot.com "My last defense Is the present tense." --Gwendolyn Brooks =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:58:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Raymond Federman (1928-2009) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Raymond Federman and I worked together at Buffalo and he was a shining light in our Poetics Program. I have posted more here -- http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/bernstein/blog/#10-07-09 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:13:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christopher Leland Winks Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <514413370910051040k53975ceif62489f06952706b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I definitely support =22nerds of independent minds=2C=22 being somewhat = of one myself=2C but not the =22herds=22 that=2C I believe=2C Harold Ros= enberg identified and pilloried as far back as the 1950s=2E But here=27s a modest proposal=3A following the video =2224-hour Psycho=2C= =22 in which Hitchcock=27s film is slowed down to a 24-hour length=2C wh= y not publish an edition of =22Day=22 with one large letter on every oth= er page (the left-hand page of the open book being blank)=3F It could b= e the most unwieldy flip-book (interarts mixed media) ever published! I= t would have Kabbalistic implications! It could be an example of relati= onal aesthetics! Surely that=27s worth a few Ph=2ED=2E theses! ----- Original Message ----- From=3A Aldon Nielsen =3Caln10=40PSU=2EEDU=3E Date=3A Tuesday=2C October 6=2C 2009 12=3A53 pm Subject=3A Re=3A =27Day=27 by Kent Johnson To=3A POETICS=40LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU =3E have to get new glasses -- I read that as =22nerds of independent mi= nds=22 =3E = =3E On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 10=3A37 AM=2C Christopher Leland Winks =3E =3Cclw2067=40nyu=2Eedu=3Ewrote=3A =3E = =3E =3E None of this goes as far as Guy Debord=27s =22Hurlements en fav= eur de = =3E Sade=22 in =3E =3E terms of provocative anti-aestheitc moves=2C nor does it even = =3E approach the =3E =3E theory of =22detournement=22 formulated in the 1950s by Debord = and = =3E Asger Jorn=2C =3E =3E following Isidore Ducasse=27s systematic practice of creative = =3E plagiarism (of =3E =3E Pascal=2C Vauvenargues=2C etc=2E) in the =22Po=E9sies=22 from t= he second half = =3E of the =3E =3E 19th century=2E Maybe it=27s the case=2C following the fashion= able = =3E phrase=2C that =3E =3E =22everything old is new again=2C=22 but to me it seems like li= terary history =3E =3E repeating itself as farce=2E And Kent Johnson=2C whose work I = admire=2C = =3E is =3E =3E certainly a good *farceur* who at least indicates the fundament= ally = =3E farcical =3E =3E nature of po-biz and oxymoronic =22writing communities=22 popul= ated by = =3E herds of =3E =3E independent minds=2E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3E =3E The Poetics List is moderated =26 does not accept all posts=2E = Check guidelines =3E =3E =26 sub/unsub info=3A http=3A//epc=2Ebuffalo=2Eedu/poetics/welc= ome=2Ehtml =3E =3E =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E -- = =3E Aldon L=2E Nielsen =3E Kelly Professor of American Literature =3E The Pennsylvania State University =3E University Park=2C PA =3E 16802-6200 =3E = =3E = =3E aln10=40psu=2Eedu =3E = =3E sailing the blogosphere at http=3A//heatstrings=2Eblogspot=2Ecom =3E = =3E =22My last defense =3E Is the present tense=2E=22 =3E --Gwendolyn Brooks =3E = =3E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3E The Poetics List is moderated =26 does not accept all posts=2E Chec= k = =3E guidelines =26 sub/unsub info=3A http=3A//epc=2Ebuffalo=2Eedu/poetic= s/welcome=2Ehtml =3E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:28:10 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Elizabeth Switaj Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <514413370910051040k53975ceif62489f06952706b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Of course, as usual, the real radicals working in this vein are neither from the West nor from the overdeveloped world. I who have had the tremendous privilege of seeing, holding, and reading the work of these artists do not even know their names, though I can tell you where to find their work. In the bookstores in the tourist areas of Phnom Penh or Sihanoukville, you will see what appear to be standard reproductions of various English language texts including, perhaps most strikingly of all, those translated from other tongues, including Japanese. Open these books, however, and you will find something entirely different: an appropriation through the mechanism of the photocopier. This is a powerful reverse colonization of the word and a rejection of notions of intellectual ownership that have served to reify Western dominance and capitalistic exploitation. It is, too, a method of deploying modern Western technology and words (thus ideas) against modern Western ideas. Most radically of all, the artists decline to add their names to the books they have thus appropriated which presents a challenge not only to concepts of authorship and intellectual property but to identity itself. It also reflects a thorough understanding of the Death of the Author (and, given Cambodia's history, one suspects of real death as well). Elizabeth Kate Switaj www.elizabethkateswitaj.net ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:05:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sara Wintz Subject: announcing poetryTV! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING?!? well whatever it is, be sure to tune out and tune into poetryTV!: a new reading platform for writers, hosted at unnameable books, in brooklyn. *the first episode on october 18th at 6:30 EST features live broadcasts from: danny snelson (philly) justin katko (cambridge, uk) and ed steck (pittsburgh) which will be projected onto the walls of the glorious backyard at unnameable books all evening! get ready! and be sure to join us: october 18th at 6:30pm EST at unnameable books//600 vanderbilt ave./brooklyn, ny see you soon! ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:38:40 +0530 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve dalachinsky Subject: sad news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for any of you who knew suzanne fiol of issue project space or her work for artists sadly she passed away yesterday of age 49 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:06:28 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Tribbey, Hugh R." Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: A MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is aesthetic judgment invalid because it's socially constructed? -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Skip Fox Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:37 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson If I didn't care much about anything (time, quality of consciousness, engagement of value, etc.) except getting my name dribbled about, I'd write an epic titled _Daze_ by retyping, in turn, Goldsmith and Johnson.=20 As it is . . . =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:12:41 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: re Debord's Hurlements & Ducasse's Poesies- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many thanks to Christopher Leland Winks for writing of Debord & Lautreamont= . It is not so much that so called american conceptual poetry mentions, slighly misquoting Brion Gysin, that writing is decdes behind painting, but that american poetry itself is often about 100-150 years behind that in other countries. Not unexpectedly, once seizing on some of these ideas and diluting, deforming, omitting areas, to create a sanitized "homeland security" american version of them, the ideas then should turn out to be reactionary rebrandings. "Boredom is always, always, counter-revolutionary," writes Ducasse/Lautremont in Poesies. Before him, Baudelaire wrote of "acedie, la maladie des moines," (acedia, the illness o= f monks), which implies besides boredom a kind of mental masturbation. The main goal of much of the discussion, as it itself demonstrates on cue, is that the current rebranded remakes of revisionary versions of old stereotypes and clichesof modern art and poetry is to generate not ideas bu= t WORDS. Publish or perish! As Murat has pointed out, plagiarism can get one in trouble; while copying the newspaper etc doesn't. hence what better way to write safely in an academic and "understanding" setting pieces which are simply copies of safe and innocuous documents--and at the same time get credit and generate yet more copies of copies and commentaries which are copies of commentaries. Soon the filing and data mining sections of the Dept are being devoted to the moving about and classifying of an endless production of copies of copies . . . each one though may be thought of as slightly "different and interesting" if one changes the author's name and s= o in the familiar lexicon, "defamiliarizes, reframes and recontextualizes" th= e samo samo. The speed with which so called american conceptual poetry is marched right through the door into the classroom is part of its "usefulness," that is, i= t generates WORDS--as one of the principle anxieties of poetry and poetics in the academic/maintream is the necessity for producing "language" at al costs, and preferably at a low cost for a high yield return, which copying huge chunks of words does wonderfully.. In the Borges story of Pierre Menard, Menard,an obscure French belle lettriste, manages to write his own verison, with Herculaean labors, of a few chapters and fragementsof Don Quixote. Incredibly, his version, writte= n inthe early 20th century, is word for word the same as Cervantes' text. Yet, as the narrator, demonstartes, becuase the words are written, generate= d from within Menard, and in a different time and place, the seemingly identical text takes on now a much richer and more profound meaning than th= e original. The difference between menard and say "Day" (or maybe "groundhog Dagy"--) is that Menard uses a consciously literary text, while today's example under discussion uses that holy of Holies, the New York Times. (Which, a great many of its writers would take note of--is also aliterary text in at least their articles--) Paul Celan wrote that "poetry no longer imposes itself, it exposes itself." In the "day' forumaltion, "poetry" is imposed on the "non-poetic" as a way to lay claim to a new territory a new source for the insatiable demand for material--i.e. words Menard's version of Cervantes is a work that "exposes" a different text which is existing in the text as it is, one that takes place within the timme period of William James et alia, making the meaning of phrases shift quite drastically, though the wrods are the same. William Carlos Williams in stating that "a poem can be made of anything," made use of a menu; next on the agenda should be perhaps the Encyclopedia Britannica or the MacMillan Encyclopedia of baseball, with the statistics o= f every player who ever appeared in a Major league uniform, even if, like "Moonlight" Graham, they haver batted or played the field but simply waited on deck. Ancient documents show that originally the writer, as scribe, was a copyist of the words and numbers read off or spoken by others. The scribe was "instrumental" in the conducting of commerce and diplomacy, of keeping records and and deatiling prophecies As a useful member of the ruling class's servant groups, the scribe was entrusted with many "trade secrets" at times, making room for treachery if one was so tempted. ( I.E.--"sellin= g out"--) In uneasy times such as the present, when security and surveillance are daily more intensely imposed on every individual, what could be a better wa= y of writing than to become a scribe, a copyist, and so ensure oneself a steady position in the realm of the ruling class? Bartleby, the copyist who said, "I prefer not to," and Flaubert's Bouvard and Pecuchet who , after essaying to learn about everything and fail and then decide to begin copying again, seem less like doomed souls than examples of what kind of stupidity (in Flaubert's view) it takes to refuse to be a copyist. In the Renaissance, when the figure of the ARTIST in capital letters began to be developed as a being with Star Power and Romantic Madness etc, it was not uncommon to find wealthy households in which there were hanging amazingly exact copies of famous originals which themselves were in the hands of even wealthier and more powerful patrons. The owners of the copies were satisfied, because it was not simply that the= y possessed a copy of a great work, like a machine made print of today, but that their copy was an "original" by so and so a well known expert at copying others' works for the benefit of his clients. Thus in the era which first really sent into orbit the idea of the Great genius Artist, one finds also the example of the highly skilled and respected craftsperson who can turn out a good and "original" copy.Of Course, in the Renaissance, many things were respected that today would horrify-- But then, the idea of a copy by a good copyist as a suitable ornament for any respectable home was something of VALUE and a demonstration of the tast= e of the owners. . . . Perhaps "conceptual poets" can be able to find this sort of employment--and so escape the Curse of Saturn bestoewed upon those called Original. before this discussion had started i was working on a piece of which these are excerpts which related to what Christopher Winks writes of-- . Lautreamont writes of using plagiarized material only if one develops it, and the *Poesies* is filled with examples from Pascal esp and a few other writers, in whcih Lautreamont has changed in some cases just one word, whic= h does indeed greatly develop in new openings of possibilities the plagiarize= d quotation. In a way, this method of development is not unlike the "detournement" of the Situationists, in which some banality is turned into = a kind of slogan turned against the original clich=E9 ridden banalities it is confronting and deforming . . . Yet there is also the poet's work against the banality the clich=E9, the stereotype, in which the journey is taken ever further into the core of language--such as Isou's "the word is the stereotype" forcing him to go further afield and delve into the letter itself as the field for poetic action and imagination. Isou's idea of a chiseling phase having reached it= s apogee in the letter of Lettrisme enables him to use it also as a fulcrum for beginning the new word of the Amplic phases, in which Lettrisme must deconstruct everything and replace it with its Lettriste version and so start anew working for a Utopian society. (In the background is the letter work of Schwitters and also the half joke of Rimbaud=92s "Voyelles" with th= e color coded vowels used to start all sorts of hallucinatory speculations among the young followers of the missing [vanishing, disappearing, no longe= r poet] poet, leading to Des Esseintes' (in Huysmans=92s *A Rebours*) making various forms of colors-sounds associations in the way the Japanese do with scent associations, so that a color is played like a note, a letter--the idea of a kind of organ on which one sounds a note and its equivalent in colors appears--like a kind of minimalist jukebox! Which idea is actually found in the minimalist works in a way of Steve Reich and the early Phillip Glass.) Isidore Isou, quite early in his career as founder & center of the Universe of Lettrisme,-- Isidore Isou, formulator of a species of Gesamtkunstwerk i= n which all the arts and media are reformulated-- though in a manner less militant & much less obsessed with mechanical speeds than the same project previously remodeled/remodulated by the hands of the Italian Futurists=97 t= his God Isidore Isou propounded a new form of Historical Development of Poetics, based on the alternating periods of the two yin/yang currents of the "Amplic" and "Chiseling." (Isou claimed=97and could prove--that his theoretical method dated to his early adolescence, before his arrival in post- Liberation Paris from his native Romania. His first published works in French on the subject appeared in 1947, from the prestigious Gallimard Press, though many others, such as the one quoted here, are dated as early as 1942, and were written while the poet was still living in his =93country of birth. =93) Larry Wendt in *=93The Genealogy of narrative=92=92* gives one a very good = & concise introduction to these two Isousien tendencies, the Amplic and the Chiseling: In his attempt to rewrite all of human knowledge, Isou had discovered that the evolution of any art was characterized by two phases: 'amplic' and 'chiseling.' In following the development of the art of poetry for example, Isou saw the Lettrist at the end of a long chiseling phase which had begun with Baudelaire reducing narrative in his poetry to anecdote, then Rimbaud disregarding anecdote for lines and words, Mallarm=E9 reducing words to sou= nd and spaces (particularly in *Un Coup de Des*), and finally the Dadaists destroyed the word altogether. Isou saw at the end of this phase the new beginnings of an amplic stage for culture, from which a whole host of new arts, ways of working, and social institutions would eventually spring, wit= h Isou at the center of all creative work. The Lettrist worked on the level of the letter at the heart of what they believed to be an experiential language that was to be the basis of their new culture. Their *Lexique Des Lettres Nouvelles, *for example was a sonic alphabet of a 130 or so sounds from which a new natural language was to spring from and from which they composed their poetry. (Larry Wendt, *The Geneolgy of narrative)* * * * ** *=93*It=92s not about notes, it=92s about feelings,=94 *Ornette Coleman famously stated regarding Free Jazz. Isou continually emphasizes feelings in opposition to words. For Isou, writing in *MANIFESTO OF LETTERIST POETRY A) Commonplaces about Words:* =93The word is the first stereotype,=94 but =93All impulses escape stereot= yping.=94 For Isou, the stereotype goes back to those =93Notions . . . [from] . . . = an inherited dictionary,=94 recalling Flaubert=92s *Dictionairre des idees rec= ues (Dictionary of received ideas), *itself a compendium of the inanities which= , since they are unquestioningly accepted, makes them appear to be =93real=94 ideas, forms, persons, events, knowledge, whose sheer accumulation create Isou=92s concept of the =93rigidity of forms [that] impedes their [our fluctuations] transmission.=94 For, verily, are not stereotypes the very embodiment of the =93rigidity o= f forms,=94 which create that false sense of their being eternal verities in =93Naming the Unknown by the Forever,=94 in contradistinction to Baudelaire= =92s concept of modernism as the conjunction of the ephemeral and the Eternal, that which is eternal within the ephemeral, and that ephemerality existing within the appearance of the Eternal? This reactionary, anti-modernist tactic , recognized by Baudelaire, Flauber= t and Isou, is the use of Naming to be a Forever which excludes the Unknown, producing the stereotype of the word, an impediment to transmission by its stoppage of feelings and thoughts, by its =93brutality of words=94 which a= re those =93Discharges transmitted by notions.=94 =93Discharges transmitted by notions!=94 What a great phrase, what an imag= e! The ultimate weapon whose use stops just this side of violence turns out to be the stereotype transmitted by =93notions=92 which have al the horrible solidity of the =93Biggest Lies=94 of advertisements, propaganda, discours= es of institutions, =93stamps of authenticity and approval,=94 while at the same = time retaining a reassuring vagueness whose very fuzziness causes the mind to settle dreamily into it as into a nice fat feather bed. (See Jim Thompson= =92s The Killer Inside Me for the Deputy Sheriff Lou Ford=92s use of the clich= =E9 as a way of refraining from =93the real way=94 of killing rather than simply =93boring to death=94 his victims). Isou's Amplic phase is interesting to contrast with the Amplic of some of today's American conceptions of production in the poetries of Flarf and Conceptualism a la Kenny G. IN the latter, for example, one finds what Bartleby said "I prefer not to" to--copying, rather than plagiarism with a development, moving of files, data, the poet as office drone aestheticizing the means of production for the pleasure of the observing CEO's or "high paying high art customers." A kind of useless Amplic mad production is churning away while being observed by the owners of the means of production= , for whom the poet in a sense has become again a dependent worker, not even = a craftsman, but simply an invisible drone. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:52:32 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Ellis Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <514413370910051040k53975ceif62489f06952706b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Old Hurrian tactic: Set loose an individual and simple mind in a herd of se= xualistic collectivity bent on independence=2C read the details of the inev= itably resulting cont[r]act=2C and send out assassination squads to execute= it. Or him. Or them. All of it. And him. And them. "All" is a big wo= rd=2C containing a lot of syllables. Stallions like to listen to a mare st= ink within their midst. Debord bottled it. "Day" is day-glo=2C after the = scent. Priviledge=2C yeah: It's okay=2C don't worry: Attaturk won't be up= for another 3500 years. And anyway=2C what IS priviledge but scent on sti= nk? Horses know the way=2C but not the difference. K and K know that=2C a= nd have had the good fortune to get lost in it. By process of removal. Wh= addaya call a two-sided triangulation=2C anyway? SE EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me =20 > Date: Mon=2C 5 Oct 2009 13:40:24 -0400 > From: aln10@PSU.EDU > Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > have to get new glasses -- I read that as "nerds of independent minds" >=20 > On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 10:37 AM=2C Christopher Leland Winks > wrote: >=20 > > None of this goes as far as Guy Debord's "Hurlements en faveur de Sade"= in > > terms of provocative anti-aestheitc moves=2C nor does it even approach = the > > theory of "detournement" formulated in the 1950s by Debord and Asger Jo= rn=2C > > following Isidore Ducasse's systematic practice of creative plagiarism = (of > > Pascal=2C Vauvenargues=2C etc.) in the "Po=E9sies" from the second half= of the > > 19th century. Maybe it's the case=2C following the fashionable phrase= =2C that > > "everything old is new again=2C" but to me it seems like literary histo= ry > > repeating itself as farce. And Kent Johnson=2C whose work I admire=2C i= s > > certainly a good *farceur* who at least indicates the fundamentally far= cical > > nature of po-biz and oxymoronic "writing communities" populated by herd= s of > > independent minds. > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidel= ines > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > University Park=2C PA > 16802-6200 >=20 >=20 > aln10@psu.edu >=20 > sailing the blogosphere at http://heatstrings.blogspot.com >=20 > "My last defense > Is the present tense." > --Gwendolyn Brooks >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:18:36 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: jared schickling Subject: C. J. Martin and Delete Press MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All=2C=20 Delete Press is pleased to announce the release of its first chapbook=2C Wh= at Is Worship? 3 by C. J. Martin. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:12:10 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize Comments: To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable STOCKHOLM=E2=80=94Herta Mueller, a little-known Romanian-born author who wa= s persecuted for her critical depictions of life behind the Iron Curtain, w= on the 2009 Nobel Prize in literature Thursday in an award seen as a nod to= the 20th anniversary of communism's collapse. http://www.contracostatimes.com/nation-world/ci_13513339 _______ NEW BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm -- For a re= view copy, please email me directly.=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:17:02 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Katz Subject: Who Knows? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 When I was like ten or so, I would just walk through the fiction section in my local public library, close my eyes, reach my hand out, pick a book blindly, and read it very fast. (Now I think I am the slowest reader I know.) Anyways, once I did this and read a very powerful novel about climate change, and I have googled zealously on occasion trying to remember its title and author, to no avail. There is this protagonist who, by the end of the first section, has written a book called something like "One Minute to Midnight" or "6 Minutes to Midnight," about how the oceans are about to reach their CO2 saturation point, after which there will be massive, rapid climate change. (This book must have been written, at earliest, in the mid '80's I think.) There are special interests trying to stop him from publishing. Some chase scene in an airport near the end of this section, escalators and washrooms and syringes and such. Something about being on an airplane, worrying about the CO2 being released by one's fizzy drink. At the beginning of the second section, his book has managed to appear, and the climate change has begun. In e.g. Florida, and all tropical places, it is difficult to breathe, the air is bad. Something about driving a car around Florida. Then there are these evil groups trying to secure power in the radically changed place the world's becoming. They develop a virus to wipe out massive populations in Africa (and Asia?) - the virus is somehow developed from a toxin. There is a group trying to make potable water from sea water, but they cannot because the toxin has contaminated the oceans. This evil group is also kidnapping human mutants and experimenting on them, and developing a new species called "the Meek" with smaller brains and bigger lungs who will live on. Something about the head bad guy eventually being devoured by the mutants. Something about the protagonist having sex on a couch. In a later section, the air everywhere is very bad, and there are groups of people who live in underground structures. There is a species of dwarf-like creatures called the Homunculi, or "Uncles" for short. Something about this underground structure eventually being overwhelmed by the Uncles, and our heroes must flee. They have heard rumors of concentration camps. But they discover that these are not death camps but life camps. They make it to one. The fences are to keep creatures out, not people in. Eventually the surviving members of the human race are living in a space station(s). The station has a perfectly efficient self-contained ecosystem: people, plants, food, waste, air, water, etc., fully conserved, and life goes on. Something about a glassed-off area containing 100% humidity air, in which zero gravity fish can fly this way and that. From space, Earth appears brown. Any of this ringing some rusty bells? I'm a nostalgic soul (Puccini makes me weep even while boring me), and'd love to know what I was reading. Adam Katz ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:13:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Sarai Subject: SPD recommends *The Future Is Happy* Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" http://www.spdbooks.org/search/default.aspx?categoryid=3D53 Small Press Distribution placed *The Future Is Happy* - my poetry collect= ion -=20 on its recommended list. To buy, go to the link above, or the publisher=20= (BlazeVOX) at http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ss2.htm=20 thanks, Sarah Sarai http://my3000lovingarms.blogspot.com/ http://myspace.com/sarahsarai =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 03:03:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Doug Holder Subject: Doug Holder, Gloria Mindock, Susan Tepper, Martin Golan to Read at KGB BAR NYC Oct. 9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" CERVENA BARVA PRESS READING KGB Bar, 85 East 4th Street New York City, NY October 09, 2009 7:00 pm - 9:00 pm Doug Holder is the founder of the Ibbetson St. Press. His poetry and pros= e have appeared in The Boston Globe, Rattle, Cafe Review, The New Renaissan= ce, Home Planet News, Boog City, Poetry Bay, Word Riot and many others. He ho= lds an M.A. in Literature from Harvard University, and recently released: =93= From the Paris of New England: Interviews with Poets and Writers.=94 Pamela L. Laskin is a lecturer in the English Department at The City College, as well as director of The Poetry Outreach Center. She is a published author of five picture books and four volumes of poetry, most recently, SECRETS OF SHEETS (Plain View Press) and GHOSTS, GOBLINS, GODS = AND GEODES. (World Audience Press.) LIFE ON THE MOON: MY BEST FRIEND=92S SECR= ETS, a textbook of teen fiction that she edited, will be published in the fall= . Susan Tepper=92s collection DEER & Other Stories has just been publis= hed by Wilderness House Press. A five-time Pushcart Prize nominee, she=92s had fiction and poetry in American Letters & Commentary, Green Mountains = Review, Salt Hill, New Millennium Writings, Crannog and elsewhere. Cervena Barva Press published her chapbook Blue Edge (2006). Susan is assistant editor = of Istanbul Literary Review. www.susantepper.com Martin Golan=92s latest book is Where Things Are When You Lose Them, a collection of stories. It follows his novel, My Wife=92s Last Lover, whic= h was No. 1 on Amazon=92s best-seller list for Montclair for over a year. You c= an read about him at http://martingolan.com HOST: Gloria Mindock is the author of three full-length poetry collection= s, Blood Soaked Dresses (Ibbetson Street, 2007), Nothing Divine Here (U Soku= Stampa, Montenegro, 2009), and At the Heaven=92s Gates, (Cogito Press, Romania, 2009). She is editor of Cervena Barva Press, and the Istanbul Literary Review. Her work has been widely published in the US and abroad.= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:50:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Peter Quartermain Subject: Re: Raymond Federman (1928-2009) In-Reply-To: <4ACC908F.1000005@bway.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sad news indeed -- a terrific writer, and -- from the few times we met -- a generous and warm-hearted individual. ========= Peter Quartermain 846 Keefer Street Vancouver BC Canada V6A 1Y7 604 255 8274 (voice and fax) quarterm@interchange.ubc.ca ========= -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Bernstein Sent: 07 October 2009 05:59 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Raymond Federman (1928-2009) Raymond Federman and I worked together at Buffalo and he was a shining light in our Poetics Program. I have posted more here -- http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/bernstein/blog/#10-07-09 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:16:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Raymond Federman (1928-2009) In-Reply-To: <4ACC908F.1000005@bway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oh! this is sad indeed. Charles Bernstein wrote: > Raymond Federman and I worked together at Buffalo and he was a shining > light in our Poetics Program. I have posted more here -- > http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/bernstein/blog/#10-07-09 > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:34:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Camille Martin Subject: new on Rogue Embryo's blog In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 new on Rogue Embryo: Gilbert Sorrentino, The Orangery Houston Giraffe Topiary Desert Gold Paris Dusk Kimberly Lyons, Abracadabra Kiln, Mississippi (moth HERE) http://rogueembryo.wordpress.com Cheers! Camille Camille Martin http://www.camillemartin.ca http://rogueembryo.wordpress.ca =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:01:07 +0200 Reply-To: argotist@fsmail.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Kent Johnson on The New British School Comments: To: British Poetics , Poetryetc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kent Johnson on The New British School: http://www.digitalemunction.com/2009/10/07/the-new-british-school/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:36:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Al Filreis Subject: PoemTalk #23 on Cid Corman (Frank Sherlock, Tom Devaney, Fran Ryan) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today we are releasing episode 23 of "PoemTalk" - a discussion of Cid Corman's "Enuresis" with Frank Sherlock, Tom Devaney and Fran Ryan. http://www.poemtalk.org http://www.poetryfoundation.org/ - Al Filreis Kelly Professor Faculty Dir., Kelly Writers House Dir., Center for Program in Contemporary Writing University of Pennsylvania http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 23:37:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Francesco Levato Subject: Book release: "War Rug" by Francesco Levato In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "Francesco Levato's powerful documentary, 'War Rug' -- like Eliot Weinberger's What I heard about Iraq before it -- detains the language of the perpetrators of global military aggression and redeploys it to indict them. From J.C. Penny catalog copy to counterintelligence manuals and autopsy reports, War Rug is a fierce yet unfortunate reminder of the absolute horrors of our age." -- Mark Nowak, author of Coal Mountain Elementary "War Rug" is a work of documentary poetics in the form of a book length poem. Multiple interwoven narratives explore life within zones of conflict as viewed through the lens of current warfare. The narratives range from passages inspired by journal entries, firsthand accounts, and news reports to poetic constructs collaged from military doctrine, Freedom of Information Act released government documents (like CIA interrogation manuals, and detainee autopsy reports), and numerous other sources. This enhanced eBook contains the author's notebook with hyperlinks to access additional content such as books, web sites, audio, and video that inspired and informed the author's creative process. It is distributed in Portable Document Format (PDF) and is viewable and printable on virtually any platform -- Mac OS, Microsoft Windows, UNIX, and many mobile platforms, including the Apple iPhone. Please visit http://www.plastiquepress.com for more information. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:49:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: Dadadadadadadadadadada MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _______________ REDFOXPRESS at Dugort, on Achill Island, County Mayo, in the west of Ireland, publishes a collection of small artists' books dedicated to experimental, concrete & visual poetry or any work combining text & visual arts in the spirit of dada or fluxus. Examples include ... 1.) "ACHILL : THE ISLAND," poems by the Achill writer John F. Deane, with visual-art by artists from or residing on the Isle of Achill, including Antic-Ham, Rene Boell, Ronan Halpin, Mary Lavelle-Burke, Amanda MacMahon, John McHugh, Margo McNulty, Margaret Morrisson, Inge Schulz, Willem van Goor, & Francis van Maele. Size 15 x 21 cm., Rives BFK vellum 210 gr., 40 pages, in plexiglas slipcase, Inkjet & laser printed, 150 copies numbered & signed by the author. 2.) "Cadavre Burlesque," by Fritz Sauter, 40 pages, A6 format (10.5x15 cm. / 4 x 6"), 40 pages, hardcover, thread & quarter cloth binding, laser printing on ivory paper. Fritz Sauter is a writer of poetry & plays & radio plays; he is an artist in the post-post-dada tradition. Books can be ordered by e-mail from info@redfoxpress.com or via Paypal to phi@phi.lu REDFOXPRESS, Dugort, Achill Island County Mayo, Ireland Recent publications ... http://www.redfoxpress.com/new.html Visual Poetry collection ... http://www.redfoxpress.com/dada.html Dadadadadadadadadadada, S=E9amas Cain http://www.saorsainn.net http://alazanto.org/seamascain _______________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:08:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Production film of Day by Kent Johnson Comments: To: British & Irish poets , Poetryetc poetry and poetics Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Day by Kent Johnson =20 =20 Production film of Day by Kent Johnson. =20 Geoffrey Gatza Editor & Publisher of BlazeVOX [ books ], publisher of weir= d little books, constructs Day by Kent Johnson from Day by Kenny Goldsmith. Set to Stravinsky's The Rite of Spring. http://www.blazevox.org/Day.mov =20 =20 Do It Yourself @ Home: Make your own Day by Kent Johnson with your very own, D. I. Y. sticker. Download the template here and have your way with your copy! http://www.blazevox.org/Day cover flat.pdf =20 =20 Price: $30, plus shipping and handling [$300 for each of ten numbered copie= s signed by the Author, no charge for shipping and handling]. All copies come with specially designed, affixed stickers (on cover, back cover, title page= , spine, etc.) to impart authorship, copyright, blurbs, and co-production. =20 =20 =20 Book Information: =B7 Paperback: 836 pages =B7 Binding: Perfect-Bound =B7 Publisher: BlazeVOX [books] & The Figures =B7 ISBN: 9781935402992 =20 for one low low price : $30 http://www.blazevox.org/bk-kj4.htm =20 =20 =20 Praise=20 =20 If the 836-pp. Day established Kenny Goldsmith as without a doubt the leading conceptual poet of his time, the 836-pp. Day by Kent Johnson may well be remembered for nudging the politics of Conceptual Poetry out of blithely affirmative, institutional framings, and into truly negational, critical spaces. =8BJuliana Spahr =20 Recent trends in technologies of communication have already begun to subver= t the romantic bastions of "creativity" and "authorship," calling into question the propriety of copyright through strategies of plagiaristic appropriation=8A Such developments have caused poets to theorize an innovativ= e aesthetics of "conceptual literature" that has begun to question, if not to abandon, the lyrical mandate of originality in order to explore the potentials of the "uncreative," be it automatic, mannerist, aleatoric, or readymade, in its literary practice=8A Such activity (employing self and ego-effacing tactics via uncreativity, unoriginality, appropriation, plagiarism, fraud, theft, and falsification as its precepts) has become one of the most radical, if not one of the most popular, limit-cases of the avant-garde at the advent of the millennium. With Day, Kent Johnson claims his place as one of the major figures of this new writing, showing, in single move, how Conceptual Poetry has been nearly forty years behind the politics of Institutional Critique. =8BChristian B=F6k =20 As he once asked, at the blog of the Poetry Foundation (though with what seems in retrospect a disingenuous banality), =B3Nearly one hundred years after Duchamp, why hasn=B9t appropriation become a valid, sustained[,] or eve= n tested literary practice?=B2 Here now, Kent Johnson wagers the query with a vengeance, brazenly upping the ante of Uncreative dialectic by throwing dow= n before us a readymade gesture that is nothing but dizzying in the synthesis of its conception: a flagrant appropriation of a Conceptual work=B9s Authorship and Copyright, categories which themselves had been branded into this same text, in flagrant appropriation by another K (yes, me), in first, antithetical instance. Thus, here at Boring Ranch, in gamble with a gambol, he claims all the cow chips, one could say, with the searing, asterisked irony of a double-K smoking iron. His Day emerges hot and bright from the dead-dark of an innocent pre-dawn, a sort of authentic Afterlife that rises from the =B3original=B2 simulacral body in which it had lain (latent and expectant). As in the best of Sherrie Levine, but more radically still, it summons us, now, that we might think harder in its sudden light. Indeed, Kent Johnson=B9s Day stands as the first Conceptual gesture of its kind in th= e history of American poetry: An open, literal theft of an entire =B3book,=B2 exhibited without shame, as a new and strange Work of Art in our Museum of Modern Poetry. I can only tip my hat. =8BKenny Goldsmith =20 _________________ Kent Johnson's previous book is Homage to the Last Avant-Garde (Shearsman, 2008). He lives in Freeport, Illinois. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:54:49 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Fw: How do you get the juices flowing again? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii or hurrytheflow with hallucinogens... back in the day, my day, poets preferred pain. i'm most inspired when i hurt myself. i should know better, but... ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Roy Exley To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Fri, September 25, 2009 3:56:14 AM Subject: How do you get the juices flowing again? Attempt to halt the flow of time without the use of hallucinogens, then examine and analyse your emotional responses when you realise that your efforts are futile - also you'll realise, concurrently that it is far easier to write a poem! ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:44:15 +0530 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve dalachinsky Subject: rare david ware appearance etc 8-11pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kind (and urgent) Greetings to All, Now that we’re a week away from this major event, a BIG-UP reminder thereof: Thursday, October 15, 2009 at Abrons Arts Center, NYC DAVID S. WARE DARIUS JONES TRIO WILLIAM PARKER & THE LITTLE HUEY CREATIVE MUSIC ORCHESTRA David S. Ware has been gearing up for this performance the whole summer and up to the present moment. The one only time I’ve every seen this Master perform solo, it was a breathtaking transporting ascent. Solo is how DSW wanted to return to the stage following his life being saved. We are also very happy that Laura Mehr, who donated her kidney to David in May, will by flying up from Florida and will be in the audience, hearing David perform live for the first time. Darius Jones so belongs up in here, oh my god, this young man will be bringing it! Some new pieces will be premiered further to selections from his stunning debut album, Man’ish Boy. Read this amazing just posted review of Darius’ album (writer got it!): http://popdose.com/jazz-dont-hurt-the-blazing-fire-of-a-manish-boy/ William Parker & The Little Huey Creative Music Orchestra will be making their first NYC appearance in over four years; their last show at Vision Festival 2005 was one of the most illuminated, dancing, joy-inducing, next level sets at Vision Fest, ever! They’ll be premiering a new Parker composition entitled, "Subsequent Illumination Inscriptions / Light Cottage" (for George Russell). OK, the deal is this: AUM is renting the Abrons Arts Center in order to manifest this magnificent triple-bill; we need to sell more tickets in order to make the fee we promised to the musicians (and not be in serious debt this season). So we exhort you to please buy tix and be there if you’re in the NYC metro (and beyond..?) and also spread the good word of this event to all available friends who are into transformative live musical performance by some of the musical masters of the present era. Deal? Dynamite! (See full details below the horizontal line to forward to friends with your own pointed preface; thanks!). Advance Tickets Now Available: $20- (plus $3.50 surcharge is true, but still a little less than $25- at the door!) exclusively from Theatermania / OvationTix online here and by phone 212.352.3101 or 866.811.4111 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:40:41 +0530 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve dalachinsky Subject: reading and homage to suzanne fiol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Friends, Suzanne Fiol died two days ago. The sadness and grief will move in after the shock moves on, who knows, but the show will go on, thanks to the incredible Staff and Board at ISSUE Project Room, thanks to the eternal energies of founding Saint Suzanne. Below is ISSUE's email re: Suzanne's death. Following that is the Press Release for "Poetry to the Infinite Power," the benefit/event/memorial you are participating in, which starts at 7pm this Friday night 10/9 at the Garage at ISSUE, 232 3rd St, Brooklyn. Admission is $12. You may bring a guest for free. Everyone is reading one piece, around three minutes. Then there's a gigundo dance party, stay if you can. I am attaching a reading order. Nada, can you please send this to Flarfians, ccing me? Anne Waldman just emailed me w/ Subject as "Suzanne in infrastructure music heaven" Write or call me 917-304-5593 w/ any questions. Bob ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:41:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Skinner Subject: ANNOUNCING ECOPOETICS 06/07 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ANNOUNCING ECOPOETICS 06/07 http://www.ecopoetics.org ecopoetics 06/07 (covering 2006-2009), packed with poetry, prose, criticism= , translation, interviews and artwork from nearly eighty contributors. An Australian Eco-Poetics section, guest-edited by Michael Farrell. A Theodor= e Enslin feature. Interviews with Gary Snyder and mIEKAL aND. New work from Mei-mei Berssenbrugge, Benjamin Friedlander, Forrest Gander, Joan Retallack= , Andrew Schelling, Gary Snyder, and others. Bilingual pages from Antonio Ochoa and Ang=E9lica Tornero. 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Supported by a faculty start-up grant at Bates College.=20 http://www.ecopoetics.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 06:52:23 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Helix Literary Magazine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Helix Literary Magazine, a perfect bound letter-press journal, is = accepting submissions for both Fall and Spring issues.=A0 Deadline for = the Fall is October 15th-- anything submitted after that date will be = considered for the Spring issue.=A0 Send work as an ATTACHED document to = HELIXMAGAZINE@GMAIL.COM.=A0 We accept all literary genres with a focus = in poetry, non-fiction, and fiction, as well as any and all art that = lends itself to print publication. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:55:11 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <5c70c62e227261.4acb4283@mail.nyu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit touché, baby! Christopher Leland Winks wrote: > I definitely support "nerds of independent minds," being somewhat of one myself, but not the "herds" that, I believe, Harold Rosenberg identified and pilloried as far back as the 1950s. > > But here's a modest proposal: following the video "24-hour Psycho," in which Hitchcock's film is slowed down to a 24-hour length, why not publish an edition of "Day" with one large letter on every other page (the left-hand page of the open book being blank)? It could be the most unwieldy flip-book (interarts mixed media) ever published! It would have Kabbalistic implications! It could be an example of relational aesthetics! Surely that's worth a few Ph.D. theses! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Aldon Nielsen > Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 12:53 pm > Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > >> have to get new glasses -- I read that as "nerds of independent minds" >> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Christopher Leland Winks >> wrote: >> >> > None of this goes as far as Guy Debord's "Hurlements en faveur de >> Sade" in >> > terms of provocative anti-aestheitc moves, nor does it even >> approach the >> > theory of "detournement" formulated in the 1950s by Debord and >> Asger Jorn, >> > following Isidore Ducasse's systematic practice of creative >> plagiarism (of >> > Pascal, Vauvenargues, etc.) in the "Poésies" from the second half >> of the >> > 19th century. Maybe it's the case, following the fashionable >> phrase, that >> > "everything old is new again," but to me it seems like literary history >> > repeating itself as farce. And Kent Johnson, whose work I admire, >> is >> > certainly a good *farceur* who at least indicates the fundamentally >> farcical >> > nature of po-biz and oxymoronic "writing communities" populated by >> herds of >> > independent minds. >> > >> > ================================== >> > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines >> > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Aldon L. Nielsen >> Kelly Professor of American Literature >> The Pennsylvania State University >> University Park, PA >> 16802-6200 >> >> >> aln10@psu.edu >> >> sailing the blogosphere at http://heatstrings.blogspot.com >> >> "My last defense >> Is the present tense." >> --Gwendolyn Brooks >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:55:54 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Ball Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <5c70c62e227261.4acb4283@mail.nyu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > But here's a modest proposal: following the video "24-hour Psycho," in > which Hitchcock's film is slowed down to a 24-hour length, why not publish > an edition of "Day" with one large letter on every other page (the left-hand > page of the open book being blank)? It could be the most unwieldy flip-book > (interarts mixed media) ever published! It would have Kabbalistic > implications! It could be an example of relational aesthetics! Surely > that's worth a few Ph.D. theses! > > Hah! But if the concept is all, why execute it? My basic point is to disagree with Goldsmith (and Johnson, in other respects) and argue that the works must also be judged insofar as their "performance" is concerned. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:49:11 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Bobby Baird Subject: Recent Posts at Digital Emunction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Some recent posts at DE that might interest some of you: + *Fake Book Review 4* by Joshua Baldwin ( http://www.digitalemunction.com/2009/10/08/fake-book-review-4/) + *Weird Vibration*s by Joel Calahan ( http://www.digitalemunction.com/2009/10/07/weird-vibrations/) + *The New British School* by Kent Johnson ( http://www.digitalemunction.com/2009/10/07/the-new-british-school/) + *The original advertisement for Kent Johnson's Day* and *a follow-up post*-- including a video! ( http://www.digitalemunction.com/2009/09/22/advertisement-kent-johnsonsday/ + http://www.digitalemunction.com/2009/10/06/the-remains-of-day-a-documentary-investigation-into-the-art-of-diy-conceptualism/) + *On the New Translation of Mayakovsky's "Pro Eto"* by Joel Calahan ( http://www.digitalemunction.com/2009/10/05/translator-meet-philologist/) + *Profits from Fiction* by me ( http://www.digitalemunction.com/2009/10/04/profits-from-fiction/) + *On "If You Must Gamble,"* by Joshua Baldwin ( http://www.digitalemunction.com/2009/10/03/another-curious-book-i-found-on-gambling/ ) + *On Dale Smith's "Sycamore and Flowers"* by Kent Johnson ( http://www.digitalemunction.com/2009/10/02/dale-smith-sycamore-flowers/) + *Allen Grossman's Tears* by Michael Robbins ( http://www.digitalemunction.com/2009/10/01/allen-grossmans-tears/) + *My McSweeney's Story* by Kent Johnson ( http://www.digitalemunction.com/2009/09/30/my-mcsweeneys-story/) Come check them out! bb ++++++++ Bobby Baird bobby.baird@gmail.com http://www.digitalemunction.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 00:03:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Second Life performance space for Eyebeam Friday night MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Here's what we'll be using Friday night, also good video - Alan http://www.alansondheim.org/evamsl.mp4 again - SECOND LIFE PERFORMANCE NIGHT AT EYEBEAM WHERE: EYEBEAM - 540 W 21st St. New York, NY 10011 Event Type: performance Start Date: Oct 09, 2009 Hours: 6:30PM-8:30PM Venue: Eyebeam Second Life Performance Night This evening will feature three different artists/groups, which use the online virtual world of Second Life as a medium for performance art. Launched in 2003 by Linden Labs, Second Life (SL) hit widespread popularity in 2006. In this 3D-rendered world, people across the world share a networked space with unique avatars. With a completely user-generated environment, SL enables a rich world of artistic possibilities. Alan Sondheim along with Foofwa d'Imobilite will present a performance using the aesthetics of the Second Life environment to create an experimental choreography; Lily & Honglei will present The Merry-go-around a virtual installation addressing a series of environmental issues in todays China; Second Front has discovered a virtual crypt within Second Life and are inviting the public to witness its opening. Together, these three short performances (12-15 minutes each) will sample some of the contemporary trends in Second Life performance art. The performances will be followed by a brief panel discussion and a subsequent launch party of Avvie Road the second DVD of Second Fronts performance works. People: Alan Sondheim (with Foofwa d'Imobilite), Lily & Honglei, Patrick Lichty, Scott Kildall Tags: Second Front, Second Life http://eyebeam.org/events/performing-in-second-life ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:41:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: jesseca Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <5673.5626.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OMG, The Land of Green Plums is amazing! Even in translation! Very much a poet's novel. Highly recommended! amy king wrote: > STOCKHOLM—Herta Mueller, a little-known Romanian-born author who was persecuted for her critical depictions of life behind the Iron Curtain, won the 2009 Nobel Prize in literature Thursday in an award seen as a nod to the 20th anniversary of communism's collapse. > > http://www.contracostatimes.com/nation-world/ci_13513339 > > > > _______ > > NEW BOOK > > Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm -- For a review copy, please email me directly. > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:05:18 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: rare david ware appearance etc 8-11pm In-Reply-To: <20091007.164415.2244.42.skyplums@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit oh how i wish i cd be there! steve dalachinsky wrote: > Kind (and urgent) Greetings to All, > > Now that we’re a week away from this major event, a BIG-UP reminder > thereof: > > > Thursday, October 15, 2009 at Abrons Arts Center, NYC > DAVID S. WARE > DARIUS JONES TRIO > WILLIAM PARKER & THE LITTLE HUEY CREATIVE MUSIC ORCHESTRA > > > David S. Ware has been gearing up for this performance the whole summer > and up to the present moment. The one only time I’ve every seen this > Master perform solo, it was a breathtaking transporting ascent. Solo is > how DSW wanted to return to the stage following his life being saved. We > are also very happy that Laura Mehr, who donated her kidney to David in > May, will by flying up from Florida and will be in the audience, hearing > David perform live for the first time. > > Darius Jones so belongs up in here, oh my god, this young man will be > bringing it! Some new pieces will be premiered further to selections > from his stunning debut album, Man’ish Boy. Read this amazing just > posted review of Darius’ album (writer got it!): > http://popdose.com/jazz-dont-hurt-the-blazing-fire-of-a-manish-boy/ > > William Parker & The Little Huey Creative Music Orchestra will be making > their first NYC appearance in over four years; their last show at Vision > Festival 2005 was one of the most illuminated, dancing, joy-inducing, > next level sets at Vision Fest, ever! They’ll be premiering a new > Parker composition entitled, "Subsequent Illumination Inscriptions / > Light Cottage" (for George Russell). > > OK, the deal is this: AUM is renting the Abrons Arts Center in order to > manifest this magnificent triple-bill; we need to sell more tickets in > order to make the fee we promised to the musicians (and not be in > serious debt this season). So we exhort you to please buy tix and be > there if you’re in the NYC metro (and beyond..?) and also spread the > good word of this event to all available friends who are into > transformative live musical performance by some of the musical masters of > the present era. Deal? Dynamite! (See full details below the > horizontal line to forward to friends with your own pointed preface; > thanks!). > > Advance Tickets Now Available: $20- (plus $3.50 surcharge is true, but > still a little less than $25- at the door!) > exclusively from Theatermania / OvationTix > online here > and by phone 212.352.3101 or 866.811.4111 > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:53:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project October Comments: To: "info@poetryproject.org" Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Here=B9s what=B9s coming up at The Poetry Project: Friday, October 9, 10 PM Josef Kaplan & Jarrod Fowler Josef Kaplan=B9s work has appeared, or is forthcoming, in=A0Sprung Formal,=A0Mode= l Homes,=A0Lana=A0 Turner, mid)rib,=A0NAP and the=A0West Wind Review. He edits=A0Sustainable Aircraft, an online journal of mostly critical writing on contemporary poetry, and lives in=A0Brooklyn.=A0 Jarrod Fowler is a=A0conceptual percussionist with a focus around rhythm. In his work, he activates sources in order to emphasize their percussive and rhythmic forces and processes. These works may be presented in the form of documents or site specific happenings.=A0 He is the author of=A0Translation As Rhythm (Errant Bodies) and=A0=8Cpercussion=B9 as percussion (PLE). =20 Monday, October 12, 8 PM Richard Deming & Dmitry Golynko Richard Deming is a poet and a theorist who works on the philosophy of literature. His poems have appeared in such places as Sulfur, Field, Indian= a Review, and The Nation, as well as Great American Prose Poems: From Poe to the Present. He is the author of Let=B9s Not Call It Consequence (Shearsman Books), winner of the 2009 Norma Farber First Book Award from the Poetry Society of America. About Let=B9s Not Call It Consequence Susan Howe has written, =B3Deming restlessly calculates the split between promised and actua= l experience. The poems in his impressive new collection balance at an edge o= f danger syntax can only shadow.=B2 Currently a lecturer at Yale University, he is also the author of Listening on All Sides: Toward an Emersonian Ethics o= f Reading (Stanford University Press).=A0 Dmitry Golynko was born in 1969, in Leningrad, USSR. He currently lives in St. Petersburg, Russia where he is a poet, scholar in Visual Ethics and Biopolitics, and a literary and art critic. He is also a scientific researcher at the Russian Institute of Arts History in St. Petersburg. In 2004-2005 Golynko was a visiting professor in Cheongju University=B9s Slavic Department in South Korea. He is a member of Moscow Art Magazine editorial board and a professor at the University of =A0Film and Television Studies (St= . Peterburg, Russia). His books of poetry include Homo Scribens (St. Petersburg, Borey-Art,1994), Directory (Moscow, Kolonna Publications, 2001)= , Concrete Doves (Moscow, New Literary Review, 2003), and As It Turned Out (New York, Ugly Duckling Presse, 2008). In to addition poetry, Golynko regularly publishes essays on contemporary literary process and cultural phenomena. In February, 2005 Golynko was writer-in-residence at Literarischer Colloqium in Berlin, Germany. In September 2007 he was an award-winning writer at CEC ArtsLink-Open World program. He is a CEC ArtsLink Fellow for 2009, CEU (Budapest) Fellow for 2010, and DAAD (Berlin) Artist-in-Residence for 2010-2011. Golynko=B9s poems and essays have been translated into English, German, French, Danish, Finnish, Icelandic, Swedis= h and Italian. Wednesday, October 14, 8 PM Anne Waldman: Collaborative Works Anne Waldman has been an active member of the international =B3outrider=B2 experimental poetry community for several decades as writer, sprechstimme performer, professor, editor, magpie scholar, infra-structure and cultural/political activist. This evening she will be joined by frequent collaborators Ambrose Bye, Steven Taylor, Douglas Dunn and Akilah Oliver. Waldman grew up on Macdougal Street in Greenwich Village where she still lives, and bi-furcated to Boulder, Colorado in 1974 when she co-founded The Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics with Allen Ginsberg at Naropa University, the first Buddhist inspired school in the West. She currently serves as Artistic Director of its celebrated Summer Writing Program. Waldman is the author of over 40 books of poetry including Kill or Cure, Marriage: A Sentence, Structure of the World Compared to a Bubble, and Manatee/Humanity (2009) (all published under the Penguin Poets imprint), as well as Fast Speaking Woman (City Lights) and the Iovis trilogy (Coffee House Press).=A0 She is editor of The Beat Book (Shambhala Publication) and co-editor of The Angel Hair Anthology (Granary Books), Civil Disobediences: Poetics and Politics in Action ( Coffee House) and Beats at Naropa (Coffee House, 2009 ). Her work has been published in translation into books in French, Italian, Spanish, Czech, German and Chinese. She has been a student of Buddhism since 1962, and an ambassador for the =B3public space=B2 revival of poetry, appearing on stages from Berlin to Bombay to Beijing. She has been instrumental in encouraging poetry projects world-wide and has helped organize programs in Vienna and Indonesia. She has also collaborated with artists Elizabeth Murray, Richard Tuttle, Donna Dennis and Pat Steir as wel= l as filmmaker Ed Bowes. Ambrose Bye is the composer, musician and producer for/of the CD =B3Matching Half=B2 with Anne Waldman & Akilah Oliver (Farfalla McMillen Parrish 2009). H= e also composed the music & produced =B3The Eye of The Falcon=B2 with Anne Waldman.=A0 Visit his MySpace page . Steven Taylor is a poet, musician and ethnomusicologist. He is the author o= f False Prophet: Field Notes from the Punk Underground (Wesleyan University Press, 2003). He has toured and recorded with Allen Ginsberg, Kenward Elmslie, the Fugs.=20 Douglas Dunn is a dancer and choreographer. Visit his company Douglas Dunn and Dancers at douglasdunndance.com Poet Akilah Oliver=B9s latest book is A Toast in the House of Friends (Coffee House Press, 2009). She currently lives and teaches in Brooklyn. And we=B9re cosponsoring this event with POETS HOUSE: Friday, October 16, 7 PM at POETS HOUSE Living in Advance: A Tribute to David Bromige This evening celebrates the life and work of poet David Bromige (1933-2009)= , who was born in London, grew up in Canada, and arrived in 1962 in Northern California, where he spent the rest of his life, teaching and writing more than forty books of poetry. Readers include Charles Bernstein, Corina Copp, Rachel Levitsky, Bob Perelman, Nick Piombino, Ron Silliman, Gary Sullivan, Geoffrey Young & others. Please note that this event will take place at Poets House in Battery Park City. Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.org/become-a-member Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.org/program-calendar The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.org www.poetryproject.org Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=B9d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a line at info@poetryproject.org. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:03:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barrett Watten Subject: Paris and Lyon events, 10/12-14 Comments: cc: "Regions of Practice: Poetics Across Languages" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paris lecture "*The Grand Piano*: Multi-Authorship, Language Writing, and Literary= History" 5:30 PM, 12 October 2009 Institut Charles V, Universit=E9 Paris-Diderot 10, rue Charles V, 75004 Paris, Room A50 Flyer:=20 h= ttp://www.english.wayne.edu/fac_pages/ewatten/pdfs/parisdiderotflyer.pdf=20 Lyon seminars 2:00=963:45 PM, 13 October D=E9partement d'Etudes du Monde Anglophone Universit=E9 Lumi=E8re-Lyon II 74 rue Pasteur 3:00-5:00 PM, 14 October Centre d=92=E9tudes Po=E9tiques (CEP)/Center for Poetry Studies Ecole normale sup=E9rieure Lettres et sciences humaines (ENS) 15, Parvis Ren=E9 Descartes, 69007 Lyon =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:57:05 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christopher Leland Winks Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Answer to the final question=3A Gibberish (or in deference to the post=27= s spelling=2C giberrish)! That=27s whadd-i call it! ----- Original Message ----- From=3A Stephen Ellis =3Cstepellis=40HOTMAIL=2ECOM=3E Date=3A Thursday=2C October 8=2C 2009 11=3A05 am Subject=3A Re=3A =27Day=27 by Kent Johnson To=3A POETICS=40LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU =3E Old Hurrian tactic=3A Set loose an individual and simple mind in a h= erd = =3E of sexualistic collectivity bent on independence=2C read the details= of = =3E the inevitably resulting cont=5Br=5Dact=2C and send out assassinatio= n squads = =3E to execute it=2E Or him=2E Or them=2E All of it=2E And him=2E A= nd them=2E = =3E =22All=22 is a big word=2C containing a lot of syllables=2E Stallio= ns like to = =3E listen to a mare stink within their midst=2E Debord bottled it=2E = =22Day=22 = =3E is day-glo=2C after the scent=2E Priviledge=2C yeah=3A It=27s okay=2C= don=27t = =3E worry=3A Attaturk won=27t be up for another 3500 years=2E And anyw= ay=2C what = =3E IS priviledge but scent on stink=3F Horses know the way=2C but not = the = =3E difference=2E K and K know that=2C and have had the good fortune to= get = =3E lost in it=2E By process of removal=2E Whaddaya call a two-sided = =3E triangulation=2C anyway=3F =3E = =3E SE =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD =3E Join me =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E =3E Date=3A Mon=2C 5 Oct 2009 13=3A40=3A24 -0400 =3E =3E From=3A aln10=40PSU=2EEDU =3E =3E Subject=3A Re=3A =27Day=27 by Kent Johnson =3E =3E To=3A POETICS=40LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU =3E =3E = =3E =3E have to get new glasses -- I read that as =22nerds of independe= nt minds=22 =3E =3E = =3E =3E On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 10=3A37 AM=2C Christopher Leland Win= ks =3E =3E =3Cclw2067=40nyu=2Eedu=3Ewrote=3A =3E =3E = =3E =3E =3E None of this goes as far as Guy Debord=27s =22Hurlements en= faveur de = =3E Sade=22 in =3E =3E =3E terms of provocative anti-aestheitc moves=2C nor does it ev= en = =3E approach the =3E =3E =3E theory of =22detournement=22 formulated in the 1950s by Deb= ord and = =3E Asger Jorn=2C =3E =3E =3E following Isidore Ducasse=27s systematic practice of creati= ve = =3E plagiarism (of =3E =3E =3E Pascal=2C Vauvenargues=2C etc=2E) in the =22Po=E9sies=22 fr= om the second half = =3E of the =3E =3E =3E 19th century=2E Maybe it=27s the case=2C following the fash= ionable = =3E phrase=2C that =3E =3E =3E =22everything old is new again=2C=22 but to me it seems lik= e literary history =3E =3E =3E repeating itself as farce=2E And Kent Johnson=2C whose work= I admire=2C = =3E is =3E =3E =3E certainly a good *farceur* who at least indicates the = =3E fundamentally farcical =3E =3E =3E nature of po-biz and oxymoronic =22writing communities=22 p= opulated = =3E by herds of =3E =3E =3E independent minds=2E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3E =3E =3E The Poetics List is moderated =26 does not accept all posts= =2E Check = =3E guidelines =3E =3E =3E =26 sub/unsub info=3A http=3A//epc=2Ebuffalo=2Eedu/poetics/= welcome=2Ehtml =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E = =3E =3E = =3E =3E = =3E =3E -- = =3E =3E Aldon L=2E Nielsen =3E =3E Kelly Professor of American Literature =3E =3E The Pennsylvania State University =3E =3E University Park=2C PA =3E =3E 16802-6200 =3E =3E = =3E =3E = =3E =3E aln10=40psu=2Eedu =3E =3E = =3E =3E sailing the blogosphere at http=3A//heatstrings=2Eblogspot=2Eco= m =3E =3E = =3E =3E =22My last defense =3E =3E Is the present tense=2E=22 =3E =3E --Gwendolyn Brooks =3E =3E = =3E =3E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3E =3E The Poetics List is moderated =26 does not accept all posts=2E = Check = =3E guidelines =26 sub/unsub info=3A http=3A//epc=2Ebuffalo=2Eedu/poetic= s/welcome=2Ehtml =3E = =3E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3E The Poetics List is moderated =26 does not accept all posts=2E Chec= k = =3E guidelines =26 sub/unsub info=3A http=3A//epc=2Ebuffalo=2Eedu/poetic= s/welcome=2Ehtml =3E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:41:16 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark DuCharme Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No. Because it's just another CONCEPT. Get it? > Date: Tue=2C 6 Oct 2009 15:06:28 -0500 > From: htribbey@ECOK.EDU > Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > Is aesthetic judgment invalid because it's socially constructed? >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn=2C UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Skip Fox > Sent: Monday=2C October 05=2C 2009 12:37 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson >=20 > If I didn't care much about anything (time=2C quality of consciousness=2C > engagement of value=2C etc.) except getting my name dribbled about=2C I'd > write > an epic titled _Daze_ by retyping=2C in turn=2C Goldsmith and Johnson.=20 >=20 > As it is . . . >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =0A= _________________________________________________________________=0A= Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.=0A= http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:46:49 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Skinner Subject: ANNOUNCING ECOPOETICS 06/07 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ANNOUNCING ECOPOETICS 06/07 http://www.ecopoetics.org ecopoetics 06/07 (covering 2006-2009), packed with poetry, prose, criticism= , translation, interviews and artwork from nearly eighty contributors. An Australian Eco-Poetics section, guest-edited by Michael Farrell. A Theodor= e Enslin feature. Interviews with Gary Snyder and mIEKAL aND. New work from Mei-mei Berssenbrugge, Benjamin Friedlander, Forrest Gander, Joan Retallack= , Andrew Schelling, Gary Snyder, and others. Bilingual pages from Antonio Ochoa and Ang=E9lica Tornero. Collapsible poetics by Rodrigo Toscano. Rache= l Blau DuPlessis=B9s =B3Nanifesto.=B2 Artwork by Christine Boileau, Justin Clemens= , Ray Meeks, Isabelle Pelissier and Stephen Vincent. Ten color plates. 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Supported by a faculty start-up grant at Bates College.=20 http://www.ecopoetics.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:46:28 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alison Croggon Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <4ACE080E.6040109@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seconded. She a wonderful writer. xA On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:41 AM, jesseca wrote: > OMG, The Land of Green Plums is amazing! Even in translation! Very much a > poet's novel. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:09:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Production film of Day by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable love it, GG you are a hands on sort of guy more installation than conception On 10/7/09 1:08 PM, "Geoffrey Gatza" wrote: > Day by Kent Johnson > =20 > =20 > Production film of Day by Kent Johnson. > =20 > Geoffrey Gatza Editor & Publisher of BlazeVOX [ books ], publisher of we= ird > little books, constructs Day by Kent Johnson from Day by Kenny Goldsmith. > Set to Stravinsky's The Rite of Spring. http://www.blazevox.org/Day.mov > =20 > =20 > Do It Yourself @ Home: >=20 > Make your own Day by Kent Johnson with your very own, D. I. Y. sticker. > Download the template here and have your way with your copy! > http://www.blazevox.org/Day cover flat.pdf > =20 > =20 > Price: $30, plus shipping and handling [$300 for each of ten numbered cop= ies > signed by the Author, no charge for shipping and handling]. All copies co= me > with specially designed, affixed stickers (on cover, back cover, title pa= ge, > spine, etc.) to impart authorship, copyright, blurbs, and co-production. > =20 > =20 > =20 > Book Information: > =B7 Paperback: 836 pages > =B7 Binding: Perfect-Bound > =B7 Publisher: BlazeVOX > [books] & The Figures > =B7 ISBN: 9781935402992 > =20 > for one low low price : $30 > http://www.blazevox.org/bk-kj4.htm > =20 > =20 > =20 > Praise=20 > =20 > If the 836-pp. Day established Kenny > Goldsmith as without a doubt the > leading conceptual poet of his time, the 836-pp. Day by Kent Johnson may > well be remembered for nudging the politics of Conceptual Poetry out of > blithely affirmative, institutional framings, and into truly negational, > critical spaces. >=20 >=20 > =8BJuliana Spahr > =20 > Recent trends in technologies of communication have already begun to subv= ert > the romantic bastions of "creativity" and "authorship," calling into > question the propriety of copyright through strategies of plagiaristic > appropriation=8A Such developments have caused poets to theorize an innovat= ive > aesthetics of "conceptual literature" that has begun to question, if not = to > abandon, the lyrical mandate of originality in order to explore the > potentials of the "uncreative," be it automatic, mannerist, aleatoric, or > readymade, in its literary practice=8A Such activity (employing self and > ego-effacing tactics via uncreativity, unoriginality, appropriation, > plagiarism, fraud, theft, and falsification as its precepts) has become o= ne > of the most radical, if not one of the most popular, limit-cases of the > avant-garde at the advent of the millennium. With Day, Kent Johnson claim= s > his place as one of the major figures of this new writing, showing, in > single move, how Conceptual Poetry has been nearly forty years behind the > politics of Institutional Critique. > =8BChristian B=F6k > =20 > As he once asked, at the blog of the Poetry Foundation (though with what > seems in retrospect a disingenuous banality), =B3Nearly one hundred years > after Duchamp, why hasn=B9t appropriation become a valid, sustained[,] or e= ven > tested literary practice?=B2 Here now, Kent Johnson wagers the query with a > vengeance, brazenly upping the ante of Uncreative dialectic by throwing d= own > before us a readymade gesture that is nothing but dizzying in the synthes= is > of its conception: a flagrant appropriation of a Conceptual work=B9s > Authorship and Copyright, categories which themselves had been branded in= to > this same text, in flagrant appropriation by another K (yes, me), in firs= t, > antithetical instance. Thus, here at Boring Ranch, in gamble with a gambo= l, > he claims all the cow chips, one could say, with the searing, asterisked > irony of a double-K smoking iron. His Day emerges hot and bright from the > dead-dark of an innocent pre-dawn, a sort of authentic Afterlife that ris= es > from the =B3original=B2 simulacral body in which it had lain (latent and > expectant). As in the best of Sherrie Levine, but more radically still, i= t > summons us, now, that we might think harder in its sudden light. Indeed, > Kent Johnson=B9s Day stands as the first Conceptual gesture of its kind in = the > history of American poetry: An open, literal theft of an entire =B3book,=B2 > exhibited without shame, as a new and strange Work of Art in our Museum o= f > Modern Poetry. I can only tip my hat. > =8BKenny Goldsmith > =20 > _________________ >=20 > Kent Johnson's previous book is Homage to the Last Avant-Garde (Shearsman= , > 2008). He lives in Freeport, Illinois. > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:25:47 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark DuCharme Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alison=2C I think your comment is pretty exact. I would add my first thought upon hearing of this project: that Kent had to= become a "conceptual" poet in order to (critique? parody?) that moment. A= nd that this in some way cancels out his own critique or parody. Ultimatel= y=2C the critiques one could make of his project are pretty much the same a= s one could make of Goldsmith's. And I'm sure Kent is well aware of this. Yet=2C exactly for this reason=2C Johnson's "conceptual" work doesn't fly f= or me. I agree that some=2C and indeed most of his work is more interestin= g. Johnson's Day has=2C though=2C I think=2C produced a more interesting c= onversation on this list than we usually get these days. For whatever that= 's worth. Another thought: one problem with the term "conceptual poetry" is that it i= mplies that other types of writing/poetry are lacking in ideas. Of course = this is true of some poetry=2C as it is true of some (most?) cinema and vis= ual art. Yet I think the term as a catch phrase misses/misreads a lot of o= therwise interesting writing=2C while glorifying what I find to be less int= eresting=2C frankly. I guess=2C to make my biases clear=2C I've always pre= ferred Pollock=2C Motherwell or Rauschenberg to Warhol=2C and Warhol most d= efinitely to Koons. One final question: Where is Kenny G in all this debate? Surely he has som= ething to add to this conversation. Or does he only hang out at the Harrie= t blog these days? Cheers=2C Mark DuCharme > Date: Tue=2C 6 Oct 2009 13:06:29 +1100 > From: ajcroggon@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > Hi Wystan. I can't believe how my fingers itch reading this stuff=2C the > way it makes you want to open your mouth and comment=2C although you > know it would be better not to. And then you regret it. And here I am > again. I guess in that way Kent's action is a hugely successful > provocation. >=20 > I was never exercised with its "originality". It's a complacent action > because it has all the answers in advance=2C and any criticism is > instantly self-cancelling. I think that's deadly. It's boring because > all it is about is literary politics=2C all that strategic acuteness you > mention=2C as if there isn't a world out there (yes=2C I am perfectly > aware of Kent's background and involvement=2C and am grateful to him for > introducing me to contemporary Russian poetry - I know he can do more > interesting things). It presents itself a risk - or at least Jeffrey > is presenting it as risk=2C to be fair I'm not sure Kent is - when it > involves no risk at all (it would have been much more risky=2C and maybe > if the question of contemporary authorship was the issue would have > had more point=2C as someone else said=2C to plagiarise Dan Brown). As if > Goldsmith is going to bother to sue. I do think the fact that the > book is simply a matter of putting stickers over KG's name is funny=2C > because - as I said in some comment earlier - it's a better joke if > the book doesn't exist at all=2C and it clearly doesn't. But it takes > about two minutes to get the punchline=2C and then I find myself here=2C > being part of the performance=2C so that Jeffrey can go "aha! you see? > what an interesting literary controversy!" >=20 > Jeffrey=2C of course KG "recontextualises" the language in DAY=2C whether > he says he does or not. He takes the text of the NYT and puts it > between the covers of a book. If that's not recontextualising I don't > know what is. And of course that "defamiliarises" it. I've seen > Goldsmith perform his found texts (is this what is meant by "not > reading" them?) and it's far from boring=2C whatever his own intentions > - more a sudden levitation of the mundane and unheard into vivid life. > I guess this is also a performance of sorts=2C but really=2C what for? It > assumes a whole lot of things about literature and then goes out to > prove them=2C like bad science. And here I am helping it along. Mouth > zipping up now. >=20 > xA >=20 > On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 10:29 PM=2C Wystan Curnow wrote: > > Alison wrote: 'what's mostly getting up my nose is the smartarse compla= cency of the publicity=2C which is=2C I guess=2C > > the point of the whole exercise.' It is part of the point=2C but not t= he whole point. But it's a separate point=2C 'Conceptualist poetry' comes > > comes rhetorically wrapped=2C because I read it as faux avant wrapping= =2C and take its serio-comic register as strategically acute=2C I do not f= ind it complacent=2C and it does not get up my nose=2C let alone my smart a= rse. > > > > Then she wrote:'the supposedly radical transformation is not radical at= all=2C it just shifts the language from literature to more literature'. > > True enough=2C except that there's much to be said for=2C and has been= said of=2C shifting language from literature to more literature. To start = with > > what is of interest in a comparison of Johnson's appropriation with Gol= dsmith's appropriation=2C relies less on the matter of 'originality' than o= n the comparison of the role Day plays in Goldsmith's oeuvre with the role= it acquires within Johnson's. > > > > Wystan > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: Poetics List (UPenn=2C UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Beha= lf Of Alison Croggon [ajcroggon@GMAIL.COM] > > Sent: Saturday=2C 3 October 2009 3:30 p.m. > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson > > > > Jeffrey=2C to be perfectly honest what's mostly getting up my nose is > > the smartarse complacency of the publicity=2C which is=2C I guess=2C th= e > > point of the whole exercise. You can't measure artistic courage by > > suability=2C or every tabloid journo would be Pound. Mind you=2C > > Enzensberger did say once that the contemporary tabloid paper is the > > exemplary modernist art object=2C but if that's the case Goldsmith is > > onto it while Johnson isn't. I can see=2C like Jonathan=2C the point of > > recontextualising language in the way KG does - there's nothing in > > KJ's act that recontextualises the language=2C except the fact that he'= s > > put his name on it=2C when authorship was never that important in the > > first place. In other words=2C the supposedly radical transformation is > > not radical at all=2C it just shifts the language from literature to > > more literature=2C and it merely operates at the level of a punchline. > > Ok=2C the subsequent (non)fuss points to the mechanisms by which books > > get known in the consumerist politcs of exchange etc=2C but really=2C > > yawn. In theorising "theft as an artistic act" - which as several > > people have said isn't precisely groundbreaking - I think it's > > seriously more interesting to look at Madoff. Or maybe that young guy > > who stole Damien Hirst's pencil=2C who _is_ being sued (and who I think > > is much funnier and is making a much more interesting point). And here > > you are talking about the "innovation" of a book you frankly confess > > you haven't read=2C which is wholly reductio ad absurdum. I mean=2C it'= s a > > fake storm in an egg-cup. > > > > xA > > > > On Sat=2C Oct 3=2C 2009 at 3:54 AM=2C Jeffrey Side wrote: > >> Mairead=2C > >> > >> But being fun as a measure of artistic worth is not being questioned b= y > >> Kent? What he is questioning are concepts of authorship in relation to > >> literary theft. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri=2C 2 Oct 2009 10:06:16 -0400=2C Mairead Byrne > >> wrote: > >> > >>>Other aspects of the artistic practices of KG and KJ are worth > >> considering. KG has brought Abbie Hoffman's Steal This Book to vital > >> and extraordinary development in the stunning super-energizing > >> panoramic UbuWeb. He's also an A1 performer: live=2C on paper=2C and > >> conceptually. Ever seen/heard/sat under his Bern Porter piece? I agr= ee > >> with Maria that he's a LOT of fun. KJ is kinda fun too=2C and appeals= just > >> as heartily to some senses of humor as KG does to mine. The work > >> often seems mean to me=2C not just mean-spirited but flimsy. A lot of > >> what KG is doing is energizing the poetry world by importing and writi= ng > >> (in VERY large letters) ideas from the art world. KJ=2C to me=2C is a= kind of > >> policeman (CIA man?)=2C setting off small bombs to injure poets=2C or = at > >> least crumple their horny toe-nails. This policeman is an upstanding > >> citizen as teacher and translator though=2C maybe he even loves poetry > >> there. But at night=2C he puts on his little cape=2C and runs round s= ticking > >> needles into things .....YIKES now he's heading for me.... > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> Jonathan Ball 10/02/09 9:39 AM >>> > >>>Thanks Jeffrey=2C however I did read your post when you originally sen= t it > >>>around. My original point is to take issue with your statement=2C as I > >> claim > >>>that there is nothing innovative or audacious about this appropriation > >> by > >>>Johnson. Its conceptual value is not to earmark thievery as art=2C or = to > >>>question categories of authorship --- both dry=2C boring notions by no= w -- > >> - > >>>but rather to extend to its logical extreme the rhetoric of a > >> conceptualist > >>>like Goldsmith. > >>> > >>>My point is that Goldsmith's rhetoric of conceptulist value being the > >> only > >>>value is already dry and boring. What makes Goldsmith's texts=2C such > >> as DAY=2C > >>>innovative and audacious works is the actual poetic richness of the > >> texts > >>>produced under these "uncreative" constraints=2C not the their > >> conceptualist > >>>underpinnings. Therefore=2C Johnson's act=2C aside from being hamfiste= d > >> satire=2C > >>>is just "more of the same" insofar as conceptualist writing is > >> concerned. > >>>Goldsmith makes use of conceptualist tactics to defamiliarize > >> language (in > >>>this case the language of journalism and advertising) through a > >> reframing in > >>>order to produce poetic texts. Johnson is taking a work of conceptuali= st > >>>poetry as his source=2C and turning it into more conceptualist poetry = .... > >> no > >>>such radical defamiliarization of language has occurred (in other > >> words=2C no > >>>poetry is produced through a shift of the text's framework). > >>> > >>>Moreover=2C the act by Johnson will not lead to legal action --- Golds= mith > >>>suing over somebody stealing his previously stolen text .... the > >> thought is > >>>absurd. The original act by Goldsmith is the only one subject to legal > >>>action. In any case=2C whether or not a poetic act is subject to legal > >> action > >>>is no source or guarantor of its artistic value. > >>> > >>>Jonathan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>On Fri=2C Oct 2=2C 2009 at 5:48 AM=2C Jeffrey Side > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Jonathan=2C please see my blog on this=2C where I say: > >>>> > >>>> 'Incidentally=2C it could be said that Johnson's appropriation of > >>>> Goldsmith's "work" is=2C perhaps=2C the more innovative and audaciou= s > >> act > >>>> in comparison to Goldsmith's "original" gesture=2C which=2C I think = most > >> will > >>>> recognise=2C was based on an already established artistic precedent.= ' > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://jeffrey-side.blogspot.com/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu=2C 1 Oct 2009 18:35:34 -0500=2C Jonathan Ball > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> >I want to say that I'm not annoyed by Johnson's DAY. I am new to > >>>> this list > >>>> >and don't really know who Johnson is=2C he seems to have a longer > >>>> history with > >>>> >this list (somebody mentioned that he was banned from it=2C for > >>>> reasons I > >>>> >don't know about). I think his project is intended as a joke=2C but > >> since > >>>> it > >>>> >is being presented and supported by some as serious work=2C I just > >>>> want to > >>>> >talk about whether or not it stands or falls as serious work. It > >> certainly > >>>> >succeeds as a joke. > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> >On Wed=2C Sep 30=2C 2009 at 2:34 PM=2C Adam Katz > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > What if one took the annoyed response to > >>>> >> > Johnson's DAY as exactly the reaction he wanted > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Not to answer this question one way or another=2C but to point ou= t > >>>> that=2C were > >>>> >> this reaction what he was going for=2C that still doesn't make it > >>>> a "good" > >>>> >> thing to have gone for. It may very well be=2C though. > >>>> >> a > >>>> >> > >>>> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>>> >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >>>> guidelines > >>>> >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >>>> >> > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> >-- > >>>> >Dr. Jonathan Ball=2C Ph.D. (English) > >>>> >Sessional Instructor > >>>> >University of Manitoba > >>>> >University of Winnipeg > >>>> > > >>>> >www.jonathanball.com > >>>> > > >>>> >"If someone tells you writing is easy=2C he is either lying or I ha= te > >>>> him." -- > >>>> >Farley Mowat > >>>> > > >>>> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>>> >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >>>> > >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:52:10 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Ekleksographia Wave Two: The Translation Special MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Announcing Ekleksographia Wave Two: The Translation Special: http://ekleksographia.ahadadabooks.com/ or for the direct link: http://ekleksographia.ahadadabooks.com/ballardini/index.html I would like to thank *Jesse Glass* for having offered me the opportunity t= o call the following Poets and Artists interested in translation. A special thank you to *Jonathan Penton* who assembled the files online, and to *Bert= y Skuber* for having forwarded her beautiful watercolor that I selected for the front cover of the issue. My most felt acknowledgment goes to the Poets =E2=80=93 Contributors of the present issue, without their hard work *Eklek= sographia Translation* would not have existed. And to the Readers, for developing ad infinitum what translated through their reading. If Poetry is the servant of Arts, Translation is the doormat of the Luxurious Villa of All Arts, this time celebrated in its refined Grandeur. I am dedicating this issue to *Karl Young* for hi= s complete recovery. * * * * =C2=B7 *William Allegreeza and Galo Ghigliotto translate three Chil= ean Poets* * *** =C2=B7 *A poem by Dennis Barone and translation of Emanuel Carnevali* ** =C2=B7 *Tom Beckett* * *** =C2=B7 *Pam Brown translated by Jane Zemiro and Marie Gaulis* ** =C2=B7 *Peter Ciccariello* * *** =C2=B7 *Jon Corelis on Sappho and the Archpoet* ** =C2=B7 *Alexander Dickow translates Max Jacob* * *** =C2=B7 *Linh Dinh translates Marco Giovenale* ** =C2=B7 *Joseph Duemer on the Ching Phu Ngam* * *** =C2=B7 *James Finnegan* ** =C2=B7 *Farideh Hassanzadeh (Mostafavi) and Christina Pacosz on Nim= a Yushij* * *** =C2=B7 *Jukka-Pekka Kervinen* ** =C2=B7 *Amy King* * *** =C2=B7 *Bill Lavender translates Arthur Rimbaud* ** =C2=B7 *Hank Lazer* * *** =C2=B7 *Charles Martin* ** =C2=B7 *Zeljko Mitic translated by Zeljko Mitic, Jr.* * *** =C2=B7 *Richard Jeffrey Newman translates the Shahnameh* ** =C2=B7 *Biljana D. Obradovi=C4=87 translates Bratislav Milanovi=C4=87* * *** =C2=B7 *Obododimma Oha tranlates Ogonna Agu* ** =C2=B7 *Michael Rothenberg translated by Vincent Dussol* * *** =C2=B7 *Larissa Shmailo translates Yuri Arabov* ** =C2=B7 *Barry Schwabsky translates Paul =C3=89luard* * *** =C2=B7 *Elizabeth Smither* ** =C2=B7 *Alan Sondheim* * *** =C2=B7 *Yerra Sugarman translates Celia Dropkin* ** =C2=B7 *Eileen Tabios translates her son* * *** =C2=B7 *Peter Thompson translates Nabil Far=C3=A8s* ** =C2=B7 *Martin J. Walker translates Albert Ehrenstein* * *** =C2=B7 *Joel Weishaus translates Po Chu-I* ** =C2=B7 *Mark Weiss translates Max Jacob* * *** * * * ------------------------------ * * * *Reviews and Essays* * * - *Diether Haenicke reviews The Passionate Gardener by Rudolf Borchardt, translated by Henry Martin* ** - *Pierre Joris tries to translate Nabil Far=C3=A8s' Bikini* ** - *Henry Martin discusses translating All the Errors by Giorgio Manganelli* ** - *Ellen Moody reviews translations of Jane Austen in French* ** - *Karl Young presents "Some Functions of Translation in 'The Ideal Anthology'"* ** - *Daniel Zimmerman reviews La Vita Nuova by Dante, translated by Emanue= l di Pasquale* ** * ------------------------------ * =C2=B7 *Anny Ballardini translates Arturo Onofri* ** * * *___________* --=20 Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche =C2=AB Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae =C2=BB Giovenale =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:07:51 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Chris Jones Subject: Poetry, painting, appropriation Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apologies for doing this, but I think I have read an interesting discussion on appropriation and poetry on this list in which a post claimed that painting is decades in advance of poetry. I seem to have lost this discussion, so is there a way to revisit this discussion, perhaps as an internet archive? I use to be a painter and photographer working in the painting model of art and a few years after giving up painting found myself a published poet, so I do have some bio type interest to begin with (and along the lines of Douglas Crimp's approach to art history.) Please feel free to contact me at my email address if need be. Being in and out of my studio and darkroom and reading the computer screen I seem to find myself getting very confused. Let me know if this is the case. With best wishes, Chris Jones. (PS, my kitten started playing on my keyboard so this may also explain the missing discussions?) ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:49:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Evan Munday Subject: Christian B=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F6k_?= at Twin Cities Book Festival - October 10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends in the Twin Cities, This weekend, Minneapolis welcomes the Twin Cities Book Festival =20 (October 10). And Christian B=F6k, author of Eunoia, will be among the =20= festival's special guests. Eunoia is a bestselling book of poetry that won the Griffin Poetry =20 Prize upon its publication. It is a five-chapter book in which each =20 chapter is a univocal lipogram. (Chapter A only uses the vowel 'A,' =20 Chapter E only uses 'E,' etc.) More recently, the book was just =20 released in the UK, where it became an overnight sensation -- selling =20= out of its print run within a week, and appearing in the Times' top =20 ten books of 2008. Christian will be at the Twin Cities Book Festival in support of the =20 new, upgraded edition of Eunoia. He's created artificial languages for =20= science fiction TV programs (like Gene Roddenberry's Earth: Final =20 Conflict), made books out of Lego bricks and his current project =20 involves injecting single-celled organisms with poems. (And no, I did =20= not make that up.) He's also an astounding reader. Here are a couple of YouTube clips of =20= B=F6k's highly entertaining readings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfUNwHmQc9yk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DalTdbe1GCnQ The Twin Cities Book Festival featuring Christian B=F6k, Nicholson Baker, Lorrie Moore, Gabrielle Bell = =20 and more. Saturday, October 10, 10 am to 5 pm Minneapolis Community & Technical College, 1301 Hennepin Avenue S. Minneapolis, MN Free We hope any of you in Minneapolis can make it to see Christian B=F6k =20 read in Minneapolis this weekend. Best, Evan ------------------------------ Evan Munday Publicist Coach House Books 401 Huron St. (rear) on bpNichol Lane Toronto ON, M5S 2G5 416.979.2217 evan@chbooks.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:43:58 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: Poetry, painting, appropriation - Check the Poetics List Archives In-Reply-To: <1255075671.3719.14.camel@chris-laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, Poetics Listserv Archive:=20 =0A http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/poetics.html Best, Amy --- On Fri, 10/9/09, Chris Jones=A0 wrote: I seem to have lost this discussion, so is there a way to revisit this discussion, perhaps as an internet archive?=20 =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:44:49 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Harrison Horton Subject: 50 years behind In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm unclear as how we are all accepting poetry being behind art by 50 years= as a truism. Dada=2C Futurism=2C Surrealism were all ushered in by writers= . Jackson Mac Low produced the first Fluxus product. The poets who write th= eory have advanced both poetry and art=2C in as much as art theorists have = advanced poetry.=20 =20 You've got Dan Godston in Chicago trying to make poetry more telematic (htt= p://www.chicagocalling.org/) which is using the technology of the day=2C yo= u've got the different lists built around collective authorship (where does= that happen in the market driven art industry?)=2C etc. . .=20 =20 The art industry is geared for making art for the rich (collectors=2C deale= rs) who buy it as an investment and then later it gets sold to museums or t= he museums buy early hoping to "capitalize" on their investments. =20 Show me the collector/dealer/art gallery representative I can talk to? I de= sperately want a studio visit.=20 David Harrison Horton=20 Building 6=2C Apt 1202 Shuang Hua Yuan Nan Li 3 Qu Chaoyang District=2C Beijing CHINA 100022 =0A= _________________________________________________________________=0A= Windows Live Hotmail: Your friends can get your Facebook updates=2C right f= rom Hotmail=AE.=0A= http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/so= cial-network-basics.aspx?ocid=3DPID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_4:092= 009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:22:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lauren Rachel Subject: Plastique Publishes Book-Length Poem "War Rug" by Francesco Levato MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Francesco Levato's powerful documentary, 'War Rug' -- like Eliot =20 Weinberger's What I heard about Iraq before it -- detains the language =20 of the perpetrators of global military aggression and redeploys it to =20 indict them. From J.C. Penny catalog copy to counterintelligence =20 manuals and autopsy reports, War Rug is a fierce yet unfortunate =20 reminder of the absolute horrors of our age." -- Mark Nowak, author of =20 Coal Mountain Elementary "War Rug" is a work of documentary poetics in the form of a book =20 length poem. Multiple interwoven narratives explore life within zones =20 of conflict as viewed through the lens of current warfare. The =20 narratives range from passages inspired by journal entries, firsthand =20 accounts, and news reports to poetic constructs collaged from military =20 doctrine, Freedom of Information Act released government documents =20 (like CIA interrogation manuals, and detainee autopsy reports), and =20 numerous other sources. This enhanced eBook contains the author's notebook with hyperlinks to =20 access additional content such as books, web sites, audio, and video =20 that inspired and informed the author's creative process. It is =20 distributed in Portable Document Format (PDF) and is viewable and =20 printable on virtually any platform -- Mac OS, Microsoft Windows, =20 UNIX, and many mobile platforms, including the Apple iPhone. Please visit http://www.plastiquepress.com to purchase the book directly. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:02:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Wheeler Subject: Seeking Submissions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Gov't Issue is currently seeking poetry and essays. Please send all materials to govt.issue@gmail.com=20 Government Issue publishes a selection of reprints, found pieces, lyric prose, art, reviews, and interviews. Founded in Philadelphia in October 2008, it is the bellwether for American lives after the economic collapse= . http://govt-issue.com/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:11:47 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Cara Benson Subject: answering rob mclennan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i had a ton of fun answering rob's 12 or 20 questi= hey everybody...=0A=0A=0Ai had a ton of fun answering rob's 12 or 20 questi= ons.=A0i'm up today, but check the archives, too. =0A=A0=0A=A0http://www.ro= bmclennan.blogspot.com/=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A_______= _________________=A0=0Ahttp://www.necessetics.com=A0{homepage}=A0=0Ahttp://= www.necessetics.com/sousrature.html=A0{journal}=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:20:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Re: 50 years behind Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I agree. I think the 50 year thing was claimed by Kenny Goldsmith to=20 justify his his notion of conceptual poetry, whatever that is.=20 On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:44:49 +0800, David Harrison Horton=20 wrote: >I'm unclear as how we are all accepting poetry being behind art by 50=20= years=3D > as a truism. Dada=3D2C Futurism=3D2C Surrealism were all ushered in by=20= writers=3D >. Jackson Mac Low produced the first Fluxus product. The poets who=20 write th=3D >eory have advanced both poetry and art=3D2C in as much as art=20 theorists have =3D >advanced poetry.=3D20 > >=3D20 > >You've got Dan Godston in Chicago trying to make poetry more=20 telematic (htt=3D >p://www.chicagocalling.org/) which is using the technology of the=20 day=3D2C yo=3D >u've got the different lists built around collective authorship (where=20= does=3D > that happen in the market driven art industry?)=3D2C etc. . .=3D20 > >=3D20 > >The art industry is geared for making art for the rich (collectors=3D2C=20= deale=3D >rs) who buy it as an investment and then later it gets sold to=20 museums or t=3D >he museums buy early hoping to "capitalize" on their investments.=20=20=20= =3D20 > > >Show me the collector/dealer/art gallery representative I can talk to? I= =20 de=3D >sperately want a studio visit.=3D20 > > >David Harrison Horton=3D20 >Building 6=3D2C Apt 1202 >Shuang Hua Yuan Nan Li 3 Qu >Chaoyang District=3D2C Beijing >CHINA 100022 > > > =09=09 =09 =09=09 =3D0A=3D >___________________________________________________________ ______=3D0A=3D >Windows Live Hotmail: Your friends can get your Facebook=20 updates=3D2C right f=3D >rom Hotmail=3DAE.=3D0A=3D >http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in- action/so=3D >cial-network-basics.aspx?ocid=3D3DPID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en- xm:SI_SB_4:092=3D >009=3D > >=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3 D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3 D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20 guidelines & sub/unsub info:=20 http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:50:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Fwd: Live Mag!#7 at Bowery Poetry Club 10/11 In-Reply-To: <9642.75565.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hope you can come this Sunday! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jeff Wright Date: Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:09 PM Subject: Live Mag!#7 at Bowery Poetry Club 10/11 To: covermag@yahoo.com Live Mag! #7 A DOUBLE-BARRELED DOSE =96 a Performance and a Printed Magazine =97 wordspew aimed at your earballs! Sunday, October 11 from 3 to 5. Celebrate the online version and archive of Live Mag! The web launch party features a rare reading by octogenarian bard EDWARD FIELD! Come hear the sassy, classy treasure of Greenwich Village and the world. Plus Uche Nduka, Wanda Phipps, guest editor Ilka Scobie and Jeffrey Cyphers Wright. And Special guest - Rene Ricard. Bowery Poetry Club, 308 Bowery in New York City $5 entrance gets you a free mag! Please come, bring a poem if you want and take part. http://www.livemagnyc.com --=20 Wanda Phipps Check out my websites: http://www.mindhoney.com and http://www.myspace.com/wandaphippsband My latest book of poetry Field of Wanting: Poems of Desire available at: http://www.blazevox.org/bk-wp.htm And my 1st full-length book of poems Wake-Up Calls: 66 Morning Poems available at:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/193236031X/ref=3Drm_ite= m =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:53:16 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pierre Joris Subject: Recent NOMADICS posts & JUSTIFYING THE MARGINS Comments: cc: British-Irish List , "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Summer, I am sorry to say, is definitely over & I have had to get =20 serious about posting to Nomadics blog again. So check out the latest =20= posts, as listed below. I also want to announce my new book of essays Justifying the Margins, =20= published over the summer by Salt. I am most happy that it see the =20 light of day, as many of you know the dire financial straights Salt =20 has been in. You can help Salt by doing what their survival campaign =20 suggests, i.e. "Buy just one Book" =97 & why nor Justifying, this time =20= around? Buying directly from them is also the best way as it cuts out =20= the middleman. Just go the the following url: Justifying the Margins: = http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/rec/9781844714346.htm & here the recent posts on NOMADICS (http://pierrejoris.com/blog) That Old New British Poetry Scene Herta M=FCller Wins 2009 Nobel Prize in Literature Raymond Federman (1928-2009) Ballard, Sinclair, Place & the Novel (Where=92s Poetry?) Amiri Baraka=92s 75th Birthday Celebrations 2009 German Book Prize Shortlist City Lights=92 No Contest Two or Three Things that have come my Way enjoy! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "Lyric poetry has to be exorbitant or not at all." -- Gottfried Benn =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Pierre Joris cell phone: 518 225 7123 email: jorpierre@gmail.com http://pierrejoris.com Nomadics blog: http://pierrejoris.com/blog/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:29:40 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Tribbey, Hugh R." Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: A MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So not invalid, but something to take lightly as well as something with implications. -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark DuCharme Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:41 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson No. Because it's just another CONCEPT. Get it? > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:06:28 -0500 > From: htribbey@ECOK.EDU > Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > Is aesthetic judgment invalid because it's socially constructed? >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Skip Fox > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:37 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: 'Day' by Kent Johnson >=20 > If I didn't care much about anything (time, quality of consciousness, > engagement of value, etc.) except getting my name dribbled about, I'd > write > an epic titled _Daze_ by retyping, in turn, Goldsmith and Johnson.=20 >=20 > As it is . . . >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:28:10 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: With + Stand Subject: W+S 4 LR: Deadline extended Comments: To: danthomasglass@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello friends, tagged, taggers, contributors, lovelies,,, The W+S worldwide headquarters has been inundated these past weeks with requests for more time to prep submissions for the Lisa Robertson issue. I certainly understand=97doing justice to such significant work takes significant time=97and I'd very much like to make that time for you. So the deadline is extended=97rather than a late 2009 issue, this will be an early 2010 issue. Submit any time between now and mid January. here we shall be other,,, Dan/W+S =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:10:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christopher Leland Winks Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=27m sure Herta Mueller is as wonderful a writer as everyone says=2C bu= t doesn=27t the chronic Eurocentrism -- and allergy to poets=2C much of = the time -- of the Nobel jury bother anyone on the list=3F Considering = how few people in the world speak German=2C to have four Germanophone la= ureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich Boll=2C Gunter Grass=2C= Elfriede Jelinek=2C and Herta Muller -- seems excessive=2C to put it mi= ldly=2E ----- Original Message ----- From=3A Alison Croggon =3Cajcroggon=40GMAIL=2ECOM=3E Date=3A Friday=2C October 9=2C 2009 10=3A37 am Subject=3A Re=3A Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize To=3A POETICS=40LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU =3E Seconded=2E She a wonderful writer=2E =3E = =3E xA =3E = =3E On Fri=2C Oct 9=2C 2009 at 2=3A41 AM=2C jesseca =3Cjesseca=40gmail=2E= com=3E wrote=3A =3E =3E OMG=2C The Land of Green Plums is amazing! 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:47:11 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ken Rumble Subject: Art Installation Opening: Friday, October 16, 7:30-10p, 715 Washington St. In-Reply-To: <59cd116b0910091344x3c8bd50fn57768a4fc02e1d0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey folks, I'm pleased to announce and invite you to the next art installation at 715 Washington Street in Durham. Megan Stein and I collaborated on this installation, entitled *Three Backyards*. *Three Backyards* is a site and time-specific piece that will run for one night only, from 7:30-10:00 pm on Friday, October 16, during Durham's Third Friday Artwalk. The piece will include live performance, both musical and non-musical. *Three Backyards* is composed of four pieces: "Shells (Empty)" "How Will You Know" "Master Pieces" "big gila monster, little gila monster" Admission is free. Donations for 715 are always accepted. Bring friends! Bring your cheer! See you there! thanks! Ken -- Check out my book Key Bridge: http://www.carolinawrenpress.org/books.html Reviews of Key Bridge: Ron Silliman: http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/i-know-ken-rumble-originally-from-his.html Kevin Killian: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0932112544/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_top/002-7537401-5750437?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books#customerReviews And projects: *Cliffs (Empty) *An Art Installation: http://kathrynlpringle.blogspot.com/ High Master! (viking rock) http://highmaster.blogspot.com Durham Has the Worst Roads in the World with Violet Rumble http://durhamhastheworstroadsintheworld.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 23:47:45 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: 50 years behind In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the idea that writing is/was 50 years behind visual art was introduced by burroughs and gysin. they said of their cutup methodology that they were just doing something that had been done in visual art for 50 years. similarly, ken goldsmith brings 'the conceptual' into poetry; conceptual art has been around for 50 years. since the sixties. his background is in visual arts. the literature-time continuum, like the space-time continuum, is full of dirt bags. that's not quite it. um, full of dirt clumps. dense dirt clumps. so you get one spot that's literarily present and another that's 150 years ago. another that's 50 or 100 years ahead. and then it might get even more complex where one spot is 100 years behind on one issue and 50 years ahead in another. these dense dirt clumps are basically brains. the cultures of writing are various, certainly. mostly they are quite conservative concerning things like technology. and not particularly adventurous concerning the use of different technologies in writing. whereas in visual arts, well, experimentation with technology is at a different level, more often than not. visual arts basically *are* media arts. whereas the notion that writing is media art isn't quite here yet. ja http://vispo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Harrison Horton" To: Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:44 AM Subject: 50 years behind I'm unclear as how we are all accepting poetry being behind art by 50 years as a truism. Dada, Futurism, Surrealism were all ushered in by writers. Jackson Mac Low produced the first Fluxus product. The poets who write theory have advanced both poetry and art, in as much as art theorists have advanced poetry. You've got Dan Godston in Chicago trying to make poetry more telematic (http://www.chicagocalling.org/) which is using the technology of the day, you've got the different lists built around collective authorship (where does that happen in the market driven art industry?), etc. . . The art industry is geared for making art for the rich (collectors, dealers) who buy it as an investment and then later it gets sold to museums or the museums buy early hoping to "capitalize" on their investments. Show me the collector/dealer/art gallery representative I can talk to? I desperately want a studio visit. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:21:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Allan Revich Subject: Re: 50 years behind In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's hard for me to imagine that anyone can believe that poetry is "behind art" by 50 years. The points made by David below do a very good job of addressing the validity of the poetry argument. I think that by inclination, and by necessity the arts travel through time in tandem with each other, and with the rest of society. This is especially true in the post-McLuhan era of instant communication and ubiquitous connectivity, where it is pretty much impossible for anything (artistic or otherwise) to occur independently of everything else. The art market comment is a bit of a "cheap shot", existing as asimulacrum of the argument that poetry is 50 years behind - the "art industry" is like the "literature industry". It is in no way representative of what artists outside the commercial mainstream are doing. I don't think that the art of poetry writing will be advanced much by knocking the visual arts. Allan Revich -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of David Harrison Horton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:45 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: 50 years behind I'm unclear as how we are all accepting poetry being behind art by 50 years as a truism. Dada, Futurism, Surrealism were all ushered in by writers. Jackson Mac Low produced the first Fluxus product. The poets who write theory have advanced both poetry and art, in as much as art theorists have advanced poetry. You've got Dan Godston in Chicago trying to make poetry more telematic (http://www.chicagocalling.org/) which is using the technology of the day, you've got the different lists built around collective authorship (where does that happen in the market driven art industry?), etc. . . The art industry is geared for making art for the rich (collectors, dealers) who buy it as an investment and then later it gets sold to museums or the museums buy early hoping to "capitalize" on their investments. Show me the collector/dealer/art gallery representative I can talk to? I desperately want a studio visit. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:00:26 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Obododimma Oha Subject: Virtual Venice Comments: To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "Multi-authorship of a poem is such a great thrill, especially when carried out by poets from diverse cultural backgrounds and languages, and particularly when it happens at the spur of the moment." More in Virtual Venice . -- Obododimma -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:22:07 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Philip Meersman Subject: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,I'm starting to work on a bachelor paper at the Free University in Brussels where I follow Art Sciences and Archaeology. I'm concentrating on the contemporary arts and my research is directed to finding a workable definition of Visual Poetry and what the extreme borders are of Visual Poetry. If you could help me in looking for what you think a good definition is of Visual Poetry and where does Visual Poetry start and where does it stop? Thank you in advance, Philip --=20 Philip Meersman A. Lynenstraat 25 bus 3 1210 St-Joost-ten-Noode Belgium tel+32 (0)476 576 287 www.myspace.com/spooninmybrain www.facebook.com/spooninmybrain www.youtube.com/spooninmybrain skype: Spooninmybrain philip.meersman@gmail.com www.poetasdelmundo.com/verInfo_europa.asp?ID=3D4337 17/07/09-28/07/09: poezie@GhentinCap: (www.kunstvogel.be/ghentincap.htm) 27/09/09: Vlaams Slam & BruSlam @ 24h Slam de Liege (www.myspace.com/24hsla= m ) 30/09/09-04/10/09: 1st European Poetry Slam Event, Berlin ( www.european-poetryslam.org) 09/10/09: Skype performance @ MHO_Save the Poetry in Venice, Venice Biennal= e 21/10/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 23/10/09: BruSlam @ Bruxelles Mosa=EFque (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 13-15/11/09: Festival Flamme, Amn=E9ville les Thermes, France 21/11/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 21/12/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:31:29 -0500 Reply-To: dgodston@gmail.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Godston Organization: Borderbend Arts Collective Subject: Chicago Calling at Epiphany Church MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chicago Calling at Epiphany Church Saturday, October 10, 2009 (2:00-11:00 p.m.) =20 You are invited to attend this Fourth Annual Chicago Calling Arts = Festival Event, which features the following artists and projects:=20 =20 2-4 p.m. =B7 Rachel Thorne Germond -- dance=20 =B7 World Listening Project =B7 =93Walking Reflections=94=20 =B7 =93Sentences Asleep=94 -- Laura Goldstein (Chicago), Marisa = Plumb (New York City), and Rebecca Cooling-Mallard (Chicago) =B7 Synesthetic Plans Project: TEXTAPORT Teleporting a Mystery = Object Through Words and other TBA elements =B7 Krista Franklin (Chicago) and Harry Ross (London) -- poetry collaboration =B7 Kristen Orser (poetry / Chicago) and Orin Buck (music = concr=E8te / New York City) =B7 =93Q & A=94 -- a random collaboration between Ira S. Murfin, = an assortment of out of town artists and intellects, and the folks present = in the room =B7 Tony Del Valle (Chicago) and Alice Shapiro (Atlanta) -- = poetry collaboration =B7 Parallel Process (Jayve Montgomery (reeds, electronics, percussion), Ben Boye (harmonium, electronics), and Joel Wanek (upright bass, cello), with David Boykin (saxophones, percussion), and cell phone samples =20 4-6 p.m. =B7 Jennifer Karmin =96 performance of =934000 Words 4000 = Dead=94=20 =B7 Wizards (Columbus): Hasan Abdur-Razzaq (saxophones), Gerard = Cox (piano), and Adam Smith (drums), with Dan Godston (trumpet), and Matthew Golombisky (upright bass) =B7 Kristy Bowen (Chicago) and Julie Strand (Milwaukee) -- = poetry collaboration =B7 collaboration between Regina Baiocchi (poetry / Chicago) and Houreya Elsayed (Egypt / visual art) =B7 Ryan Ingebritsen (electronics and samples / Chicago), in collaboration with Esther Vomplon (photography and field recordings / Berlin) =20 6-8 p.m.=20 =B7 readings of Korean poetry, in Korean and English = translation, with Brother Anthony of Taiz=E9 (Seoul) and Kyeong-hee Choi (Chicago)=20 =B7 Lac La Belle (Jennie Knaggs -- vocals, guitar), Joel = Peterson (upright bass), and Nick Schillace (guitar, vocals, mandolin, banjo)) (Detroit), in collaboration with Jon Brumit (video / Chicago) =B7 Ed Roberson (poetry / Chicago), Gerard Cox (piano), and Joel Peterson (upright bass) =20 8 p.m. =B7 Justin Dillard (piano and pipe organ / Chicago), Satya = Gummuluri (vocals / Chicago), and Adam Smith (drums / Columbus) =B7 Greenlief/Hartsaw/Hyde/Short Quartet: Philip Greenlief = (Oakland / saxophones), Paul Hartsaw (Chicago / tenor saxophone), Clifton Hyde (New York / guitar), Damon Short (Chicago / drums) =20 $15 admission =20 Epiphany Church =20 201 S. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60607 http://www.epiphany-chicago.org/=20 312.243.4242 =20 FOURTH ANNUAL CHICAGO CALLING ARTS FESTIVAL: The Fourth Annual Chicago Calling Arts Festival (CCAF4) takes place = October 1-11, 2009, featuring Chicago-based artists collaborating in = performances and projects with artists living in other locations -- both here in the = U.S. and abroad. These collaborations will be prepared or improvised, and = some performances will involve live feeds between Chicago and elsewhere. = CCAF4 venues include: Little Black Pearl Art & Design Center, Claudia Cassidy Theater at the Chicago Cultural Center, The Velvet Lounge, Elastic Sound = & Vision Gallery, Epiphany Church, Columbia College Concert Hall, WNUR, Mercury Caf=E9, WLUW, Myopic Bookstore, Caf=E9 Ballou, Quaker House, = Hotti Biscotti, and Brown Rice.=20 =20 ORGANIZER & PARTNERSHIPS:=20 CCAF4 is being organized by the Borderbend Arts Collective, a not for = profit organization. Borderbend=92s mission is to promote the arts, to create opportunities for artists to explore new directions in and between art forms, and to engage the community.=20 =20 CCAF4 also involves partnerships with After Hours: A Journal of Chicago Writing and Art, Brown Rice, Chicago=92s Department of Cultural Affairs, Columbia College Chicago, Elastic Sound & Vision Gallery, Epiphany = Church, ESP-Disk, Hotti Biscotti Caf=E9, Little Black Pearl Art & Design Center, Mercury Caf=E9, Myopic Bookstore, New Orleans Photo Alliance, = =93Something Else=94 show on WLUW, The Velvet Lounge, WNUR, =93Wordslingers=94 show on WLUW, = and Zeitgeist Multidisciplinary Arts Center. =20 =20 CHICAGO ARTISTS MONTH: The Fourth Annual Chicago Calling Arts Festival is part of Chicago = Artists Month 2009, the fourteenth annual celebration of Chicago=92s vibrant = visual art community. In October, more than 200 exhibitions of emerging and established artists, openings, demonstrations, tours, open studios and neighborhood art walks take place at galleries, cultural centers and = arts buildings throughout the city. Chicago Artists Month is organized by the Chicago Department of Cultural Affairs and is made possible through = support provided by Bank of America. For more information, visit www.chicagoartistsmonth.org.=20 =20 http://www.chicagocalling.org=20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:55:18 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christophe Casamassima Subject: Poet Query - Last names beginning with "X" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 I'm currently compiling a list of international poets with family names beg= inning with "X".=20 If you have any ideas, can you send along names and links to publications (= or suggested print publications I can easily track down)? Please send all queries to cacasama@towson.edu Thanks, Christophe Casamassima --=20 Powered By Outblaze =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:38:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Effing Press Subject: new from Effing Press MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable new titles from Effing Press, all printed and bound in-house and in the nud= e in Austin, Texas. 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Also, if near Marfa, Texas in October and November check out the Marfa Book Co.'s gallery show SMALL PRESSES, featuring 11 active small presses from th= e United States and Canada: BEARD OF BEES, BOOK THUG, EDGE BOOKS, EFFING PRESS, FLOOD EDITIONS, NARROW HOUSE, POST-APOLLO, PRIMARY INFORMATION, SUBPRESS, UGLY DUCKLING PRESSE, an= d VENEER. http://marfabookco.blogspot.com/2009/09/october-9th-november-29th-2009.html Scott Pierce Effing Press 703 W. 11th Street Austin, TX 78701 http://www.effingpress.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:02:54 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Patrick F. Durgin" Subject: CFP for special session at MLA 2011 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Long discredited as an evaluative criterion, intentionality continues to be explored as a critical value, especially in avant-garde poetics from mid-20th century. Papers looking toward a poetics of critical values that includes intention, distinctions between "desire" or "motivation" and intention as theoretical constructs, and various attempts to circumvent intention in praxis welcomed for this special session proposal for the Modern Language Association's 126th annual convention in 2011, to be held in Los Angeles. Send a paper abstract and short CV, together totaling no more than two pages, in line text via email (no attachments, please), by March 1st, 2010. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:39:07 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: This is What a (Pro)Feminist [Man Poet] Looks Like In-Reply-To: <885067.447.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable whoa! thank you. On 10/5/09 12:41 PM, "amy king" wrote: > In May 2009,=A0Danielle Pafunda=A0curated the first installment of=A0Delirious > Hem's=A0This is What a Feminist [Poet] Looks Like.=A0=A0This forum featured wom= en > discussing the relationship between their feminism & their poetry, and th= ese > contributions elicited thoughtful responses from women & men bloggers > alike.=A0=A0Mark Wallace=A0was one of those bloggers.=A0 Together, we've curated=A0= This > is What a (Pro)Feminist [Man Poet] Looks Like.=A0=A0 We hope you'll visit, re= ad, > comment, & enjoy! > Monday October 5: =A0Brian Teare, Christian Peet, & H.L. HixTuesday October= 6: > =A0Hugh Behm-Steinberg, Kareem Estefan, & Kevin Simmonds=A0Wednesday October = 7: > Mark Wallace, Mike Hauser, & Nate Pritts=A0Thursday October 8: Philip Jenks= , Tim > Atkins, & Tony FrazerFriday October 9: Tony Trigilio, David Lau & Rodrigo > Toscano =A0 > Upcoming Forums: > November: This is What a Feminist [Poet] Looks Like, 2 > December: 2009 Advent Kalendar (check out=A02008's!) > Delirious Hem --=A0http://delirioushem.blogspot.com/2009_05_03_archive.html > Delirious Lapel --=A0http://www.deliriouslapel.blogspot.com/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______ >=20 > NEW BOOK >=20 > Slaves to Do These Things=A0-- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm -- For a > review copy, please email me directly. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:27:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders Comments: To: philip.meersman@GMAIL.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You must be joking, Philip. The definition of Visual Poetry is the transgression of borders. You can see that in its coupling of terms; also in its twin invitations to = the material and the philosophical; and in the way it make everything = wobble: thought, language, print, paper, preconceptions, and the very many = overlapping and chiasmic self-definitions it yields. It is all border, = imo, even at heart. Mair=C3=A9ad >>> philip.meersman@GMAIL.COM 10/08/09 3:22 PM >>> Hi all,I'm starting to work on a bachelor paper at the Free University in Brussels where I follow Art Sciences and Archaeology. I'm concentrating on the contemporary arts and my research is directed to finding a workable definition of Visual Poetry and what the extreme = borders are of Visual Poetry. If you could help me in looking for what you think a good definition is of Visual Poetry and where does Visual Poetry start and where does it stop? Thank you in advance, Philip --=20 Philip Meersman A. Lynenstraat 25 bus 3 1210 St-Joost-ten-Noode Belgium tel+32 (0)476 576 287 www.myspace.com/spooninmybrain www.facebook.com/spooninmybrain www.youtube.com/spooninmybrain skype: Spooninmybrain philip.meersman@gmail.com www.poetasdelmundo.com/verInfo_europa.asp?ID=3D4337 17/07/09-28/07/09: poezie@GhentinCap: (www.kunstvogel.be/ghentincap.htm) 27/09/09: Vlaams Slam & BruSlam @ 24h Slam de Liege (www.myspace.com/24hsla= m ) 30/09/09-04/10/09: 1st European Poetry Slam Event, Berlin ( www.european-poetryslam.org) 09/10/09: Skype performance @ MHO_Save the Poetry in Venice, Venice = Biennale 21/10/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 23/10/09: BruSlam @ Bruxelles Mosa=C3=AFque (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 13-15/11/09: Festival Flamme, Amn=C3=A9ville les Thermes, France 21/11/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 21/12/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:44:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders In-Reply-To: <44892a90910081222y12475dc6uaed1e3e953c5b765@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hi philip it was fun to be on the biennale webcam with you. haven't seen it but there is a show of visual poetry from the new oxford book of latin am poetry--curated by cecilia vicuna--it's at a gallery in NY--maybe some on this list have seen it. On 10/8/09 3:22 PM, "Philip Meersman" wrote: > Hi all,I'm starting to work on a bachelor paper at the Free University in > Brussels where I follow Art Sciences and Archaeology. > I'm concentrating on the contemporary arts and my research is directed to > finding a workable definition of Visual Poetry and what the extreme borders > are of Visual Poetry. > > If you could help me in looking for what you think a good definition is of > Visual Poetry and where does Visual Poetry start and where does it stop? > > > Thank you in advance, > > Philip > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:48:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Virtual Venice In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit thank you Obododimma--this was great fun. On 10/10/09 8:00 AM, "Obododimma Oha" wrote: > "Multi-authorship of a poem is such a great thrill, especially when carried > out by poets from diverse cultural backgrounds and languages, and > particularly when it happens at the spur of the moment." > More in Virtual Venice . > > -- Obododimma > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:33:39 +0530 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve dalachinsky Subject: Re: Poet Query - Last names beginning with "X" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit coouuugat xavier On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:55:18 +0800 Christophe Casamassima writes: > I'm currently compiling a list of international poets with family > names beginning with "X". > > If you have any ideas, can you send along names and links to > publications (or suggested print publications I can easily track > down)? > > Please send all queries to cacasama@towson.edu > > Thanks, > > Christophe Casamassima > > -- > Powered By Outblaze > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:09:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I agree. But who really takes the Nobel seriously anymore? On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:10:02 -0400, Christopher Leland Winks=20 wrote: >I'm sure Herta Mueller is as wonderful a writer as everyone says, but=20= doesn't the chronic Eurocentrism -- and allergy to poets, much of the=20 time -- of the Nobel jury bother anyone on the list? Considering how=20 few people in the world speak German, to have four Germanophone=20 laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich Boll, Gunter Grass,=20= Elfriede Jelinek, and Herta Muller -- seems excessive, to put it mildly. > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Alison Croggon >Date: Friday, October 9, 2009 10:37 am >Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >> Seconded. She a wonderful writer. >>=20=20 >> xA >>=20=20 >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:41 AM, jesseca =20 wrote: >> > OMG, The Land of Green Plums is amazing! Even in translation!=20 Very=20 >> much a >> > poet's novel. Highly recommended! >> > >> > amy king wrote: >> >> >> >> STOCKHOLM=E2=80=94Herta Mueller, a little-known Romanian-born=20 author who=20 >> was >> >> persecuted for her critical depictions of life behind the Iron=20 >> Curtain, won >> >> the 2009 Nobel Prize in literature Thursday in an award seen as=20= a=20 >> nod to the >> >> 20th anniversary of communism's collapse. >> >> >> >> http://www.contracostatimes.com/nation-world/ci_13513339 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______ >> >> >> >> NEW BOOK >> >> >> >> Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk- ak3.htm --=20 >> For a >> >> review copy, please email me directly. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts.=20 Check >> >> guidelines & sub/unsub info:=20 http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> >> >> >> > >> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Chec= k=20 guidelines >> > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > >>=20=20 >>=20=20 >>=20=20 >> --=20 >> Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au >> Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com >> Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com >>=20=20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20= >> guidelines & sub/unsub info:=20 http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20 guidelines & sub/unsub info:=20 http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:12:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Considering how few people in the world speak German, to have four Germanophone laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich Boll, Gunter Grass, Elfriede Jelinek, and Herta Muller -- seems excessive, to put it mildly. (Christopher Leland Winks) The selection of 87% non-German speaking laureates isn't fair? Mary Jo Malo -- http://thisshiningwound.blogspot.com/ http://apophisdeconstructingabsurdity.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:59:11 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <5d70a7ce24c95f.4acf362a@mail.nyu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed 4 in the last 6 years might seem excessive, but 4 in 30-something years? I don't see it. As re poetry. There have been quite a few poets named lately, no? There may be many Europeans, I suppose, but Nobel was European. Sweden and Norway are in Europe. Have a look at Sports Illustrated's sportsman of the year awards. 49 =20 Americans in 55 years. Bjorn Borg, Pel=E9, Dick Tiger. Not good enough. I don't think that a Russian has ever won. You'd think they could =20 have produced an excellent athlete in all these years . . . . gb On Oct 9, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Christopher Leland Winks wrote: > I'm sure Herta Mueller is as wonderful a writer as everyone says, =20 > but doesn't the chronic Eurocentrism -- and allergy to poets, much =20 > of the time -- of the Nobel jury bother anyone on the list? =20 > Considering how few people in the world speak German, to have four =20 > Germanophone laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich =20 > Boll, Gunter Grass, Elfriede Jelinek, and Herta Muller -- seems =20 > excessive, to put it mildly. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alison Croggon > Date: Friday, October 9, 2009 10:37 am > Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >> Seconded. She a wonderful writer. >> >> xA >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:41 AM, jesseca wrote: >>> OMG, The Land of Green Plums is amazing! Even in translation! Very >> much a >>> poet's novel. Highly recommended! >>> >>> amy king wrote: >>>> >>>> STOCKHOLM=E2=80=94Herta Mueller, a little-known Romanian-born = author who >> was >>>> persecuted for her critical depictions of life behind the Iron >> Curtain, won >>>> the 2009 Nobel Prize in literature Thursday in an award seen as a >> nod to the >>>> 20th anniversary of communism's collapse. >>>> >>>> http://www.contracostatimes.com/nation-world/ci_13513339 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______ >>>> >>>> NEW BOOK >>>> >>>> Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm -- >> For a >>>> review copy, please email me directly. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/=20 >>>> welcome.html >>>> >>>> >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 >>> guidelines >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au >> Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com >> Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/=20 >> welcome.html >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/=20 > welcome.html George Bowering, 2b Slow feet, quick wit. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:01:20 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Poet Query - Last names beginning with "X" In-Reply-To: <20091010135518.2D6C813E5E@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed What is an international poet? Is that someone with multiple passports? gb On Oct 10, 2009, at 6:55 AM, Christophe Casamassima wrote: > I'm currently compiling a list of international poets with family > names beginning with "X". > > If you have any ideas, can you send along names and links to > publications (or suggested print publications I can easily track > down)? > > Please send all queries to cacasama@towson.edu > > Thanks, > > Christophe Casamassima > > -- > Powered By Outblaze > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html Sr. Jorge Bowering Almost up to snuff. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:07:26 -0400 Reply-To: Jeff Hansen Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeff Hansen Subject: Advanced Placement English Blog Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Many of you may not know this, but I am a 15-year veteran Advanced Placement English Literature teacher.I am now in a position, because of my health, that I can no longer teach. I can, however, work on computers from my home. I have created a blog for A.P. English students, parents, and even teachers. If you have any interest in A.P. English for yourself or someone close to you, please visit the site. There's a lot of free commentary by me, plus the opportunity for me to evaluate student work for a fee. Best, Jeff http://jeffersonhansen.blogspot.com/ Jefferson P. Hansen ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:04:35 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "J.P. Craig" Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <5d70a7ce24c95f.4acf362a@mail.nyu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To save a trip for others who might also question Christopher's =20 assertion about Teutonophilia on the Nobel committee, this from the =20 Nobel website: =95 2009 - Herta M=FCller =95 2008 - Jean-Marie Gustave Le Cl=E9zio =95 2007 - Doris Lessing =95 2006 - Orhan Pamuk =95 2005 - Harold Pinter =95 2004 - Elfriede Jelinek =95 2003 - J. M. Coetzee =95 2002 - Imre Kert=E9sz =95 2001 - V. S. Naipaul =95 2000 - Gao Xingjian =95 1999 - G=FCnter Grass =95 1998 - Jos=E9 Saramago =95 1997 - Dario Fo =95 1996 - Wislawa Szymborska =95 1995 - Seamus Heaney =95 1994 - Kenzaburo Oe =95 1993 - Toni Morrison =95 1992 - Derek Walcott =95 1991 - Nadine Gordimer =95 1990 - Octavio Paz =95 1989 - Camilo Jos=E9 Cela =95 1988 - Naguib Mahfouz =95 1987 - Joseph Brodsky =95 1986 - Wole Soyinka =95 1985 - Claude Simon =95 1984 - Jaroslav Seifert =95 1983 - William Golding =95 1982 - Gabriel Garc=EDa M=E1rquez =95 1981 - Elias Canetti =95 1980 - Czeslaw Milosz =95 1979 - Odysseus Elytis http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/ On Oct 9, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Christopher Leland Winks wrote: > I'm sure Herta Mueller is as wonderful a writer as everyone says, =20 > but doesn't the chronic Eurocentrism -- and allergy to poets, much =20 > of the time -- of the Nobel jury bother anyone on the list? =20 > Considering how few people in the world speak German, to have four =20 > Germanophone laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich =20 > Boll, Gunter Grass, Elfriede Jelinek, and Herta Muller -- seems =20 > excessive, to put it mildly. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alison Croggon > Date: Friday, October 9, 2009 10:37 am > Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >> Seconded. She a wonderful writer. >> >> xA >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:41 AM, jesseca wrote: >>> OMG, The Land of Green Plums is amazing! Even in translation! Very >> much a >>> poet's novel. Highly recommended! >>> >>> amy king wrote: >>>> >>>> STOCKHOLM=E2=80=94Herta Mueller, a little-known Romanian-born = author who >> was >>>> persecuted for her critical depictions of life behind the Iron >> Curtain, won >>>> the 2009 Nobel Prize in literature Thursday in an award seen as a >> nod to the >>>> 20th anniversary of communism's collapse. >>>> >>>> http://www.contracostatimes.com/nation-world/ci_13513339 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______ >>>> >>>> NEW BOOK >>>> >>>> Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm -- >> For a >>>> review copy, please email me directly. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: = http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 >>> guidelines >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> >> >> --=20 >> Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au >> Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com >> Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: = http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 > guidelines & sub/unsub info: = http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html Dr. J.P. Craig Lecturer in English University of Tennessee at Knoxville =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:11:17 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alison Croggon Subject: Re: 50 years behind In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The problem with the "50 years behind" thing is that it means "progress" exists in art, which is highly arguable. xA On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Allan Revich wrote: > It's hard for me to imagine that anyone can believe that poetry is "behind > art" by 50 years. The points made by David below do a very good job of > addressing the validity of the poetry argument. I think that by inclination, > and by necessity the arts travel through time in tandem with each other, and > with the rest of society. This is especially true in the post-McLuhan era of > instant communication and ubiquitous connectivity, where it is pretty much > impossible for anything (artistic or otherwise) to occur independently of > everything else. > > The art market comment is a bit of a "cheap shot", existing as asimulacrum > of the argument that poetry is 50 years behind - the "art industry" is like > the "literature industry". It is in no way representative of what artists > outside the commercial mainstream are doing. I don't think that the art of > poetry writing will be advanced much by knocking the visual arts. > > Allan Revich > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of David Harrison Horton > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:45 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: 50 years behind > > I'm unclear as how we are all accepting poetry being behind art by 50 years > as a truism. Dada, Futurism, Surrealism were all ushered in by writers. > Jackson Mac Low produced the first Fluxus product. The poets who write > theory have advanced both poetry and art, in as much as art theorists have > advanced poetry. > > > > You've got Dan Godston in Chicago trying to make poetry more telematic > (http://www.chicagocalling.org/) which is using the technology of the day, > you've got the different lists built around collective authorship (where > does that happen in the market driven art industry?), etc. . . > > > > The art industry is geared for making art for the rich (collectors, dealers) > who buy it as an investment and then later it gets sold to museums or the > museums buy early hoping to "capitalize" on their investments. > > > Show me the collector/dealer/art gallery representative I can talk to? I > desperately want a studio visit. > > > David Harrison Horton > Building 6, Apt 1202 > Shuang Hua Yuan Nan Li 3 Qu > Chaoyang District, Beijing > CHINA 100022 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Hotmail: Your friends can get your Facebook updates, right from > HotmailR. > http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/soc > ial-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_4:092009 > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:18:13 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: A DVD on David Daniels's work by Regina C=?Windows-1252?Q?=E9lia_?= Pinto MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Brazilian artist Regina Célia Pinto has created a 2 DVD project on the work of David Daniels, described below. *DAVID DANIELS' 200+HUMAN BEINGÈD HYMN TO HUMANITY* The* American poet David Daniels *(1933-2008) has always amazed me, not only because of his kindness and wisdom but also the ingenuity with which he crafted his shape poems with a computer program like “Word for Windows.” It is impressive to note the quality/innovation of the shapes he obtained with his texts/poems/animations using software that was not designed for that purpose. Not only that, but the ease with which he worked and played with the language is enviable. Reading and observing his poems is always a process of rediscovery, because they contain a dual semiotic system, one for writings and the other for imagery. I followed the creation of his 200 + Humans with a sense of enchantment, thanks to the vast net that enables artists to exchange experiences in an international context. This series is fascinating, not only because of its undeniable artistic value but because of its anthropological aspect. Daniels constructed his poems by asking many different kinds of people from different countries some very simple questions. As a result, these poems reveal similarities and differences, while demonstrating what humans are like at the beginning of the 21st century. I can’t help imagining what it would be like if someone read these poems in the next century, and have fun imagining that person’s (?) response. It is also interesting to underscore that, mixed in with the human beings mentioned in the previous paragraph, there are some familiar famous figures, such as Shakespeare, Edith Piaf, Mozart, Marx, Charles Dickens, Fernando Pessoa, Kafka, Freud and even Jesus, all of whom are eternally human and recreated through Daniels’s imagination. As a result, it is very moving to present the “Humans” series by David Daniels, which I have produced in DVD format. This will be one more way of attempting to preserve his Poems. To know more browser at: http://arteonline.arq.br/humans/ *CONTENT:* *DVD 1* – to be inserted in a computer’s DVD drive. > The Humans series in PDF format, exactly as Daniels produced it. > The essay *Lift up Your Heads, O Ye Gates, An Appreciation of David Daniels, *by British author and critic *Edward Picot (http://hyperex.co.uk/) *. > The interview with *David Daniels *(http://thegatesofparadise.com) that* > Jorge Luiz Antonio* (http://www.vispo.com/misc/BrazilianDigitalPoetry.htm) and I conducted in 2004. *DVD 2* – to be viewed on any DVD player > A page for all the *humans* in the series, with sound and movement, a festival of colors and unusual shapes. For now the DVD boxes will be sent to new media art archives and to Daniel's family. However, If you are interested or if you are a curator of a library or university archive, send a message to arteonline.newsletter@gmail.com and I will contact you soon. All the best, Regina Célia Pinto ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:46:50 -0300 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Regina Pinto Subject: DAVID DANIELS' 200+HUMAN BEING=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C8D_?= HYMN TO HUMANITY is ready (DVD format) In-Reply-To: <776C95DBE37642E89E608A2BC640C547@ReginaPintoPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DAVID DANIELS' 200+HUMAN BEING=C8D HYMN TO HUMANITY The American poet David Daniels (1933-2008) has always amazed me, not only because of his kindness and wisdom but also the ingenuity with which he crafted his shape poems with a computer program like =93Word for Windows.=94 It is impressive to note the quality/innovation of the shapes he obtained with his texts/poems/animations using software that was not designed for that purpose. Not only that, but the ease with which he worked and played with the language is enviable. Reading and observing his poems is always a process of rediscovery, because they contain a dual semiotic system, one for writings and the other for imagery. I followed the creation of his 200 + Humans with a sense of enchantment, thanks to the vast net that enables artists to exchange experiences in an international context. This series is fascinating, not only because of its undeniable artistic value but because of its anthropological aspect. Daniels constructed his poems by asking many different kinds of people from different countries some very simple questions. As a result, these poems reveal similarities and differences, while demonstrating what humans are like at the beginning of the 21st century. I can=92t help imagining what it would be like if someone read these poems in the next century, and have fun imagining that person=92s (?) response. It is also interesting to underscore that, mixed in with the human beings mentioned in the previous paragraph, there are some familiar famous figures, such as Shakespeare, Edith Piaf, Mozart, Marx, Charles Dickens, Fernando Pessoa, Kafka, Freud and even Jesus, all of whom are eternally human and recreated through Daniels=92s imagination. As a result, it is very moving to present the =93Humans=94 series by David Daniels, which I have produced in DVD format. This will be one more way of attempting to preserve his Poems. To know more browser at: http://arteonline.arq.br/humans/ CONTENT: DVD 1 =96 to be inserted in a computer=92s DVD drive. > The Humans series in PDF format, exactly as Daniels produced it. > The essay Lift up Your Heads, O Ye Gates, An Appreciation of David Daniel= s, by British author and critic Edward Picot (=A0http://hypererx.co.uk/ =A0= ). > The interview with David Daniels ( http://www.thegatesofparadise.com ) th= at Jorge Luiz Antonio=A0=A0 ( http://www.vispo.com/misc/BrazilianDigitalPoe= try.htm=A0) and I conducted in 2004. DVD 2 =96 to be viewed on any DVD player > A page for all the humans in the series, with sound and movement, a festi= val of colors and unusual shapes. For now the DVD boxes will be sent to new media art archives and to Daniel's family. However, If you are interested or if you=A0are a curator of a library or university archive, send a message to arteonline.newsletter@gmail.com and I will contact you soon. All the best, Regina C=E9lia Pinto =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:51:27 +0200 Reply-To: argotist@fsmail.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Interesting, though short, discusion on UK Cambridge poetry Comments: To: British Poetics , Poetryetc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting, though short, discusion on UK Cambridge poetry http://z11.invisionfree.com/Poets_On_Fire/index.php?showtopic=1478&st=0 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:11:53 +0200 Reply-To: argotist@fsmail.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Robert Archambeau, on his blog, has picked up on Chris Hamilton-Emery's comment Comments: To: British Poetics , Poetryetc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Archambeau, on his blog, has picked up on Chris Hamilton-Emery's comment that I drew attention to on this mailing list. Kent Johnson mentioned it also in the DE blog comments area after seeing it here. I'm sure he won't mind me mentioning that: "Its Chief Weapon is Excess": Chris Hamilton-Emery on Cambridge Poetry by Robert Archambeau: http://samizdatblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/its-chief-weapon-is-excess-chris.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:22:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Question re: Language Poetry and the Body - AUDIO! In-Reply-To: <267933.82779.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit amy--are these at PennSound or elsewhere now? many thanks. I wd like to forward them. On 5/14/07 10:24 PM, "amy king" wrote: > I recorded most of the event on Saturday; however, I ran out of room during > Andrew's talk. Apologies for poor technology. > > Part One - Tim Peterson and Erica Kaufman Introduce - Maria Damon > http://odeo.com/audio/12429453/view > > Part Two -- Steve Benson [Benson listens to his own talk through earphones > while delivering it to the audience] > http://odeo.com/audio/12429253/view > > Part Three -- Leslie Scalapino > http://odeo.com/audio/12427173/view > > Part Four -- Bruce Andrews (Incomplete) > http://odeo.com/audio/12426953/view > > > A few photos -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/amyking/ > > > ------- > > http://www.amyking.org/blog > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:19:59 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Oct 14-17: &Now Festival in Buffalo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The 4th Biennial &Now Festival of Innovative Writing & the Literary Arts will be held in Buffalo, NY from October 14-17, 2009. The &Now Festival explores intersections between creative and critical praxes, examines innovative and experimental acts of writing, and advances a serious inquiry into theories of language. http://english.buffalo.edu/andnow/program.htm ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:28:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Skinner Subject: NYC Ecopoetics launch at Artbook@X Initiative 10/14: Toscano, Brown, Donovan, Patton, Abendroth, Skinner Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ecopoetics 06/07: a nomadic, "pop-up" launch and open house, in Fritz Haeg's Dome Colony space at Artbook@X Initiative (548 W 22nd St., NYC) 14 October 2009 4-6pm. Readings from 5-6pm. Free admission. Readings and performances with Rodrigo Toscano, Lee Ann Brown, Thom Donovan, Julie Patton, Emily Abendroth, Jonathan Skinner and others to celebrate the release of the latest issue of ecopoetics (06/07). The editor of the magazine will be present from 4-5pm to discuss the project. ecopoetics 06/07 (covering 2006-2009), packed with poetry, prose, criticism, translation, interviews and artwork from nearly eighty contributors. An Australian Eco-Poetics section, guest-edited by Michael Farrell. A Theodore Enslin feature. Interviews with Gary Snyder and mIEKAL aND. New work from Mei-mei Berssenbrugge, Benjamin Friedlander, Forrest Gander, Joan Retallack, Andrew Schelling, Gary Snyder, and others. Bilingual pages from Antonio Ochoa and Angelica Tornero. Collapsible poetics by Rodrigo Toscano. Rachel Blau DuPlessis's "Nanifesto." Artwork by Christine Boileau, Justin Clemens, Ray Meeks, Isabelle Pelissier and Stephen Vincent. Ten color plates. Bark beetle translations, sound walks, field pages, slow texts, dictionaries of imagined flora, and more . . . Copies of the magazine will be available for purchase. http://www.ecopoetics.org Also available through SPD: http://www.spdbooks.org Some info on the performers: Rodrigo Toscano Rodrigo Toscano is the author of To Leveling Swerve, Platform, The Disparities, and Partisans. His newest book, Collapsible Poetics Theater, was a National Poetry Series 2007 winner. His poetry has appeared Best American Poetry 2004, War and Peace (2004 & 2007), and in the Criminal's Cabinet: An anthology of poetry and fiction (2004), and in McSweeny's "Poets Picking Poets". He was a 2005 recipient of a New York State Fellowship in Poetry. Toscano is also the artistic director and writer for the Collapsible Poetics Theater (CPT). His polyvocalic pieces, poetics plays, and body-movement poems, have been performed at the Disney Redcat Theater in Los Angeles, Ontological-Hysteric Poet's Theater Festival, Poet's Theater Jamboree 2007, Links Hall Chicago, and the Yockadot Poetics Theater Festival. His radio pieces have appeared on WPIX FM (New York), KAOS Public Radio Olympia, WFMU, WNYU, and PS.1 Radio. His work has been translated into French, German, Italian, and Catalonian. Toscano is originally from Southern California. He works in Manhattan at the Labor Institute, and lives in Brooklyn. http://poeticstheater.typepad.com/photos/rt_pics/ http://cpt.blip.tv Lee Ann Brown Lee Ann Brown was born in Japan in 1963 and was raised in Charlotte, NC. She earned a B.A. in English and Women's Studies and an M.F.A. in poetry from Brown University. She is the author of two full-length collections of poetry, The Sleep that Changed Everything (Wesleyan University Press), and Polyverse (Sun & Moon) which received the New American Poetry Series Award, a song cycle, The 13th Sunday in Ordinary Time, as well as numerous chapbooks and journal publications, such as The Asheville Poetry Review, The Boston Review, The Chicago Review, and Jacket. Her poetry is also widely anthologized, included in Line: A Drawing Center Anthology, Best American Poetry 2001, The Best of Fence Magazine, and Vanishing Points: New Modernist Poems. She teaches at St. John's University in New York City and is editor of Tender Buttons Press, publishing experimental women's poetry since 1989. With her husband, actor and director, Tony Torn, she recently co-founded The French Broad Institute (of Time & the River), a multimedia performance venue in Marshall, NC. http://www.myspace.com/frenchbroadinstituteoftimeandtheriver http://www.facebook.com/pages/Marshall-NC/The-FBI-French-Broad-Institute-of- Time-and-The-River/49409483673 Thom Donovan Thom Donovan lives in New York City where he coedits ON Contemporary Practice, edits Wild Horses Of Fire weblog, and curates both Peace Events and SEGUE reading series. He is also an ongoing participant in the Nonsite Collective. His essays, criticism, and poetry have been published variously online and in print. Currently he is at work on a book of poetry entitled The Hole, and a book of essays concerning cross-cultural translation in poetry and visual art. His first collection of critical writings, Critical Objects 2005-2010, is expected in 2011. He currently teaches at Bard College, Baruch College, and School of Visual Arts. Wild Horses Of Fire http://whof.blogspot.com/ Nonsite Collective http://www.nonsitecollective.org/ On Contemporary Practice http://oncontemporaries.wordpress.com/ Emily Abendroth Emily Abendroth is a writer and artist currently residing in Philadelphia, where she co-curates the Moles not Molar Reading & Performance Series. She regularly teaches creative writing, critical thinking, and literature courses to students of all ages, most recently at Bard College, UC Berkeley and Temple University. Recent work of hers can be found in Digital Artifact, Encyclopedia, How2, Pocket Myths, Horseless Review, Eco-poetics, and Cut & Paint. Her chapbook, Toward Eadward Forward, was released by horseless press in 2008 and a chunky excerpt from her book-length work in progress, "Muzzle Blast Dander," is featured in Refuge/Refugee (Volume 3 of the ChainLinks book series). She is currently and ever-so-slowly piecing her way through some writings and thinking on solitary confinement practices in U.S. prisons. Julie Patton Julie Patton is the author of Notes for Some (Nominally) Awake (Portable Press at Yo-yo Labs, 2007) and Teething on Type (Rodent Press, 1995). She has published poems in Crayon, ecopoetics, Transfer, Tribes and other magazines, in the anthology Moving Borders: Three Decades of Innovative Writing by Women (Talisman House, 1998) and in Aloud: Voices from the Nuyorican Poets Cafe (Collier Books, 1994). Her articles and essays appear in Educating the Imagination: Essays & Ideas for Teachers & Writers (T&W, 1994) and in Teachers & Writers. Her installation, "A Room for Opal" (with Jonathan Skinner), was part of the 2007 Bates College Museum of Art Green Horizons Synergy Exhibition. She also was awarded an NYFA fellowship in poetry in 2007. Jonathan Skinner Jonathan Skinner edits the journal ecopoetics (vols. 1-7, 2001-2009), which features creative-critical intersections between writing and ecology. Skinner's poetry collections include With Naked Foot (2009) and Political Cactus Poems (2005). His essays on the poets Ronald Johnson and Lorine Niedecker appeared recently in volumes published by the National Poetry Foundation and by University of Iowa Press. He teaches in the Environmental Studies program at Bates College in Central Maine, where he makes his home. http://www.ecopoetics.org ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:46:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Seaman Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders In-Reply-To: <44892a90910081222y12475dc6uaed1e3e953c5b765@mail.gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Philip,=20 This is my area of speciality, so let's keep in touch. I have a lot to say = on the subject, maybe on another channel? ? David Seaman David W. Seaman, Ph.D. http://personal.georgiasouthern.edu/~dseaman/Welcome.html =20 On Thursday, October 08, 2009, at 03:22PM, "Philip Meersman" wrote: >Hi all,I'm starting to work on a bachelor paper at the Free University in >Brussels where I follow Art Sciences and Archaeology. >I'm concentrating on the contemporary arts and my research is directed to >finding a workable definition of Visual Poetry and what the extreme border= s >are of Visual Poetry. > >If you could help me in looking for what you think a good definition is of >Visual Poetry and where does Visual Poetry start and where does it stop? > > >Thank you in advance, > >Philip > > >--=20 >Philip Meersman >A. Lynenstraat 25 bus 3 >1210 St-Joost-ten-Noode >Belgium >tel+32 (0)476 576 287 >www.myspace.com/spooninmybrain >www.facebook.com/spooninmybrain >www.youtube.com/spooninmybrain >skype: Spooninmybrain >philip.meersman@gmail.com > >www.poetasdelmundo.com/verInfo_europa.asp?ID=3D4337 >17/07/09-28/07/09: poezie@GhentinCap: (www.kunstvogel.be/ghentincap.htm) >27/09/09: Vlaams Slam & BruSlam @ 24h Slam de Liege (www.myspace.com/24hsl= am >) >30/09/09-04/10/09: 1st European Poetry Slam Event, Berlin ( >www.european-poetryslam.org) >09/10/09: Skype performance @ MHO_Save the Poetry in Venice, Venice Bienna= le > >21/10/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) >23/10/09: BruSlam @ Bruxelles Mosa=EFque (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) >13-15/11/09: Festival Flamme, Amn=E9ville les Thermes, France >21/11/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) >21/12/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideline= s & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:00:49 -0400 Reply-To: arippeon@buffalo.edu Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Andrew Rippeon Subject: P-Queue and PayPal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends- P-Queue has just discovered a transcription error in the .html code of the = PayPal buttons on our website. Oh no! As a result, we've received neither the purchase notification nor the appro= priate billing information for any purchases via PayPal since our post to the Poet= ics List a few weeks back. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:56:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Pentacle Movement Media Reply-To: movementmedia@pentacle.org To: sondheim@panix.com Subject: UMove Videodance Festival is Available Online for Viewing--Check it out on our NEW Blog! Having trouble viewing this email? 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View the Festival from our NEW blog at: http://movetheframe.com [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102753772073&s=4163&e=0015z5VwGfxbWaRJ7w97KnIojpHjCl2cl4acmnIYvvyzCLcxYpWqNFyvTxwfRfQpqys6va3NycaIS8PlbQOsAEk-VxoqvCg_hhYuTLhT62Su6mFy4pDBYnL57JzDip41POAOZU4uYJJDfifuiFcqV8n3DZQ9eUeKTayVFAiVJTUjbI=] Available Online for the month of October 2009 !! Movement Media's UMOVE Online Videodance Festival reveals how artists are using online and mobile media to create dances for intimate viewing devices, including computers, ipods and cell phones. The first annual UMOVE Festival reflects a broad range of artistic work from novices, video artists working with web cams, animators working in Second Life, and experienced film makers. Dance as an art form is expanding, and artists are offering new ways for audiences to view, appreciate, and value dance media. Sick of culling through endless videos of cheerleaders in their kitchens and Texas Two Step instruction in to find that ellusive gem of a dance film? UMOVE was created in response to "YouTube ennui" in order to make inspiring screendance work accessible for discovery by the public on the web. Enjoy all of the submissions from artists, and view our selections [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102753772073&s=4163&e=0015z5VwGfxbWaRJ7w97KnIojpHjCl2cl4acmnIYvvyzCLcxYpWqNFyvTxwfRfQpqys6va3NycaIS8PlbQOsAEk-VxoqvCg_hhYuTLhT62Su6mFy4pDBYnL57JzDip41POAOZU4uYJJDfifuiFcqV8n3DZQ9eUeKTayVFAiVJTUjbI=]. We hope you enjoy these inspiring works and continue to support [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102753772073&s=4163&e=0015z5VwGfxbWYG2gN851Kqe-qBu54Z0eI48br9LtciwgkoYv6_hs_8FS0R-TLwr9MP_1iFA4RVCQpNZoWPFn-igB4tWtK7YNKnT8CAK3sTrqUPaQe0_vqFVwN424qEd2tbAXF-QkWBCOQ=] Movement Media's mission of helping dancers use media to further their artistic pursuits, and to market themselves through media. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan Sondheim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eye Vanish by Marisa Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Red by Ally Voye ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Tank [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102753772073&s=4163&e=0015z5VwGfxbWa9TvwR0TJmMtYxvLa13r85b-ptyWhaC7TxdHivLGPzO-O00x_JwtuAGbRatVkZay_j-peJ6QxwckcYnmFnlVZ45tHssjLnaFsPn7jrQWpkNg==] Movement Media [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102753772073&s=4163&e=0015z5VwGfxbWYI8XBCTQ40bUnimwYlkoN5ZgJ8xl9wiv5eg2iQuJ7Ct91950etEHW-dei76kYVfNQx_vTJyCJH76e1O2lvjjX6r9dVxsVRvqITJw3aNmwL-LVw-qML0IbKdu2tlfQXqO4=] Move the Frame [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102753772073&s=4163&e=0015z5VwGfxbWY4ZD0YV__J7DWFnHUUlTVvIDfTLPt3IKXXTB3DcrTsOZ5475ucDdLbeMan4xLRSFcTGzirdfuKXNOJtTrqu_jWcJWhxQ-_0i0=] Pentacle [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102753772073&s=4163&e=0015z5VwGfxbWaUaf_iD4lRtNQ5dXZvUaelPAUu99s5s_28s7aIdL_vCxbRKjVAxi_5gVl0-U3DfSyCgFDTgrUD2QwbPr0Ysa6qlUjVmpo7X-U=] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Enjoy our First Annual UMove Online Videodance Festival! [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102753772073&s=4163&e=0015z5VwGfxbWaRJ7w97KnIojpHjCl2cl4acmnIYvvyzCLcxYpWqNFyvTxwfRfQpqys6va3NycaIS8PlbQOsAEk-VxoqvCg_hhYuTLhT62Su6mFy4pDBYnL57JzDip41POAOZU4uYJJDfifuiFcqV8n3DZQ9eUeKTayVFAiVJTUjbI=] The following 12 videos were selected from over 50 submissions to the online festival. This selection was shown at our Launch Party on October 4th and will be touring to other dance and film venues worldwide in 09-10. For brief descriptions on each work and to view these and all the submission videos, go to to MovetheFrame.com [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102753772073&s=4163&e=0015z5VwGfxbWa1NYBXjvCVZN1sjcxQe-izk8Mhuqi06JxMX8hrowTDL2jMJC1JxlRUm0KRODGwzJXaChTAI1QZ-Y-kkqBSjp9l2bJqZ15OD4m_i97nAsf43KuUydlROKUcprZwD1uCRPPj8uWT6mvPZlJnxkYTCmp5yN-MbTI6bt15oszzjoOaqQf0pPIYL6Gc] Animation Jorge y Valdes Gor for a Walk Barbara Benas, USA, 2009 noOne Alan Sondheim, USA, 2009 Gone in 60 Seconds Eye Vanish Marisa C. Hayes, France/USA, 2008 Body of Water (Milky Re-mix) Susan Marshall in collaboration with the company, USA, 2008 Nordic Visuals Sabine Klaus, Scotland, 2009 Low/No Budget Up & Above Daniel Robinson, USA, 2009 Nobody? Yes, body! Natalya Nikolaeva, Russia/Finland, 2007 Red Ally Voye, USA, 2007 Melody Box Sabrina Mergey, France, 2008 Surprise Me! Cut-Chemist-My 1st Big Break Kyle Ruddick/Eyestorm Productions, USA, 2008 Dorsey's Knob (serie Second Live serives) Foofwa d'Imobilite', USA/Switzerland, 2008 The Ultimate Dance Video EVER Sabine Klaus, Scotland, 2009 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Forward email http://ui.constantcontact.com/sa/fwtf.jsp?m=1102372137622&ea=sondheim@panix.com&a=1102753772073 This email was sent to sondheim@panix.com by annan@pentacle.org. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:16:21 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Chris Jones Subject: Re: 50 years behind In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 11:20 -0400, Jeffrey Side wrote: > I agree. I think the 50 year thing was claimed by Kenny Goldsmith to > justify his his notion of conceptual poetry, whatever that is. Forgetting the Burroughs citation, I took this as also referring to conceptual art. Conceptual art is not only about refusing the notion of the original but also claims that art thinks and for art to think it must think original ideas. A break with the painting model of art is part of this and conceptual poetry had me thinking of various strategies that may break with the privileged poetry model of literature. Conceptual poetry then begins with an understanding of the privilege bestowed on poetry, which is certainly onerous. To claim otherwise is utopian and a refusal to confront the material conditions of life in late capitalism and not possible for gay writers intent on a gay liberationist critique. To break with the privileged model of painting as a metonym for art or poetry also standing in for the whole of literature does not mean one must stop painting or writing verse but rather to understand and find strategies which may break with these privileged models which stand in the place of art and blocking any hopeful progress for art. Anyways, attempting to give a quick other perspective to conceptual art practices, from an approving gay liberationist agenda. best wishes, Chris Jones. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:38:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: aslongasittakes Subject: aslongasittakes issue 4 is now live MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. Please check out issue 3 of aslongasittakes (http://www.aslongasittakes.org). It includes great work by by JOHN M. BENNETT, TYLER CARTER, ALICE HUI-SHENG CHANG, TIM GAZE, JOHN HAVLEDA, JOHN LOWTHER, EVGENIJ KHARITONOV, CHAD LIETZ, WILL MORRIS, PAUL TOTH, and YAN JUN. Let us know what you think. Thanks, James Sanders ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:12:05 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Marsh Subject: Re: 50 years behind In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I gotta say all this stuff about anything being ahead or behind especially in art seems an absurd notion. Art derives from needs and desires and inspiration of the present and recent past with influences from the further past. It is where it is. It is up to the artists and people who respond to art and the academic and societal structure that supports art to decide what is important now. I think any idea that puts art behind or ahead of its time is missing the point of its value, which seems to me to be help make sense of the time it occurs in and prepare a path into the unknown. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Side" To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 8:20:04 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: 50 years behind I agree. I think the 50 year thing was claimed by Kenny Goldsmith to justify his his notion of conceptual poetry, whatever that is. On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:44:49 +0800, David Harrison Horton wrote: >I'm unclear as how we are all accepting poetry being behind art by 50 years= > as a truism. Dada=2C Futurism=2C Surrealism were all ushered in by writers= >. Jackson Mac Low produced the first Fluxus product. The poets who write th= >eory have advanced both poetry and art=2C in as much as art theorists have = >advanced poetry.=20 > >=20 > >You've got Dan Godston in Chicago trying to make poetry more telematic (htt= >p://www.chicagocalling.org/) which is using the technology of the day=2C yo= >u've got the different lists built around collective authorship (where does= > that happen in the market driven art industry?)=2C etc. . .=20 > >=20 > >The art industry is geared for making art for the rich (collectors=2C deale= >rs) who buy it as an investment and then later it gets sold to museums or t= >he museums buy early hoping to "capitalize" on their investments. =20 > > >Show me the collector/dealer/art gallery representative I can talk to? I de= >sperately want a studio visit.=20 > > >David Harrison Horton=20 >Building 6=2C Apt 1202 >Shuang Hua Yuan Nan Li 3 Qu >Chaoyang District=2C Beijing >CHINA 100022 > > > =0A= >___________________________________________________________ ______=0A= >Windows Live Hotmail: Your friends can get your Facebook updates=2C right f= >rom Hotmail=AE.=0A= >http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in- action/so= >cial-network-basics.aspx?ocid=3DPID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en- xm:SI_SB_4:092= >009= > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:18:21 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: MLA IN PHILADELPHIA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This year's MLA will feature a public event celebrating the 20th anniversar= y of the MLA Off-Site Readings -- I hope everyone will help get word out around Philadelphia and environs that all are welcome to attend, whether or not registered for the conference. I also want to clear up some potential misunderstanding that might arise from the mention of this reading in the MLA Newsletter that has just gone out. As you can see from the description below, the MLA event is a smaller scale celebration, featuring a handful of poets from previous years' off-site events. This is in no way in place of the annual off-site event, and it is our fervent wish that the good people of Philadelphia, whose heroic efforts brought us some of our best readings even when the MLA scrambled back to Philly in the wake of Katrina, will once again find a awa= y and a place for us to gathered in our variousness. There is also one update: Mendi Obadike will be appearing in place of Tisa Bryant, who will not be able to attend MLA this year. Tuesday, 29 December *539. =93Coming In from the Cold=94: Celebrating Twenty Years of the MLA Of= f-Site Poetry Reading* *5:15=966:30 p.m., Philadelphia Marriott* *Presiding: *Aldon Lynn Nielsen, Penn State Univ., University Park *Speakers: *Charles Bernstein, Univ. of Pennsylvania; Tisa Bryant, Saint John=92s Univ., NY; Patrick F. Durgin, School of the Art Inst. of Chicago; Peter Gizzi, Univ. of Massachusetts, Amherst; Laura Moriarty, Small Press Distribution; Bob Perelman, Univ. of Pennsylvania; Rod Smith, Bridge Street Books; Rodrigo Toscano, Labor Inst.; Tyrone Williams, Xavier Univ., OH; Elizabeth Willis, Wesleyan Univ.; Timothy Pan Yu, Univ. of Toronto This marks the twentieth anniversary of the MLA off-site poetry reading. Since the 1989 MLA convention, organizers in host cities have brought together ever larger groups of experimental and innovative poets for an evening marathon of poetry performance. These readings bring local poets into contact with poets from other cities and promote exchange between poets, scholars, and poet-scholars. The first of these readings was hosted by a bookstore in the Adams Morgan neighborhood of Washington, DC. By 2008 the reading had grown so large that it was held in San Francisco's Yerba Buena Center, a few blocks from the MLA convention hotels. The special event, open to the public, will offer short readings by poets, including several who read at the first event twenty years ago and several newer poets. --=20 Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University University Park, PA 16802-6200 aln10@psu.edu sailing the blogosphere at http://heatstrings.blogspot.com "My last defense Is the present tense." --Gwendolyn Brooks =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:58:17 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Obododimma Oha Subject: Re: Virtual Venice In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Ruth! It was really such great fun... with Gianni there too. -- Obododimma. On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Ruth Lepson wrote: > thank you Obododimma--this was great fun. > > > On 10/10/09 8:00 AM, "Obododimma Oha" wrote: > > > "Multi-authorship of a poem is such a great thrill, especially when > carried > > out by poets from diverse cultural backgrounds and languages, and > > particularly when it happens at the spur of the moment." > > More in Virtual Venice >. > > > > -- Obododimma > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:10:42 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit also, it's a little peculiar that she's a "minority" in the sense of being a relatively privileged German speaker in Romania. Not a "minority" as the Romany (gypsy) people are. Jeffrey Side wrote: > I agree. But who really takes the Nobel seriously anymore? > > > On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:10:02 -0400, Christopher Leland Winks > wrote: > > >> I'm sure Herta Mueller is as wonderful a writer as everyone says, but >> > doesn't the chronic Eurocentrism -- and allergy to poets, much of the > time -- of the Nobel jury bother anyone on the list? Considering how > few people in the world speak German, to have four Germanophone > laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich Boll, Gunter Grass, > Elfriede Jelinek, and Herta Muller -- seems excessive, to put it mildly. > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Alison Croggon >> Date: Friday, October 9, 2009 10:37 am >> Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> >> >> >>> Seconded. She a wonderful writer. >>> >>> xA >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:41 AM, jesseca >>> > wrote: > >>> > OMG, The Land of Green Plums is amazing! Even in translation! >>> > Very > >>> much a >>> > poet's novel. Highly recommended! >>> > >>> > amy king wrote: >>> >> >>> >> STOCKHOLM—Herta Mueller, a little-known Romanian-born >>> > author who > >>> was >>> >> persecuted for her critical depictions of life behind the Iron >>> Curtain, won >>> >> the 2009 Nobel Prize in literature Thursday in an award seen as >>> > a > >>> nod to the >>> >> 20th anniversary of communism's collapse. >>> >> >>> >> http://www.contracostatimes.com/nation-world/ci_13513339 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______ >>> >> >>> >> NEW BOOK >>> >> >>> >> Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk- >>> > ak3.htm -- > >>> For a >>> >> review copy, please email me directly. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ================================== >>> >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. >>> > Check > >>> >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > ================================== >>> > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> > guidelines > >>> > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au >>> Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com >>> Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:04:25 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: Question re: Language Poetry and the Body - AUDIO! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, Ruth! =A0That's one ancient email! =A0I never sent those files to Penn= Sound, though you can still listen to them at ODEO, as linked below. =A0Enj= oy! =A0 And thanks for reminding folks, Amy _______ NEW BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm -- For a re= view copy, please email me directly. --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Ruth Lepson wrote: From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Question re: Language Poetry and the Body - AUDIO! To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 4:22 PM amy--are these at PennSound or elsewhere now? many thanks. I wd like to forward them. On 5/14/07 10:24 PM, "amy king" wrote: > I recorded most of the event on Saturday; however, I ran out of room duri= ng > Andrews' talk.=A0 Apologies for poor technology. >=20 > Part One -=A0 Tim Peterson and Erica Kaufman Introduce - Maria Damon > http://odeo.com/audio/12429453/view >=20 > Part Two -- Steve Benson=A0 [Benson listens to his own talk through earph= ones > while delivering it to the audience] > http://odeo.com/audio/12429253/view >=20 > Part Three -- Leslie Scalapino > http://odeo.com/audio/12427173/view >=20 > Part Four -- Bruce Andrews (Incomplete) > http://odeo.com/audio/12426953/view >=20 >=20 > A few photos -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/amyking/ >=20 >=20 > ------- >=20 > http://www.amyking.org/ >=20 >=20 =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:41:45 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Off topic query -- The Poetics of Hate - "Liberal" New York City -- & oh, Happy Columbus Day, ahem Comments: To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It can only happen in 'backwards' towns like Laramie, Wyoming? =A0Meanwhile= , activism leads to comments from liberal friends and their parents like, "= Why do I need to see all of this gay?" =A0"As long as they don't come on to= me!" =A0"Keep it to themselves, behind closed doors!" =A0 The other night in Queens NY, an openly gay man, rather small, out in his n= eighborhood, went to the local deli for a pack of cigarettes. =A0He was bea= ten nearly to death and is still close to it, in a coma, for the simple fac= t that he was gay and felt no need to hide it ... =A0 Today across the US, a second installment of a play, 'The Laramie Project: = =A0Ten Years Later,' was performed. =A0For what? =A0 What good has national attention to Matthew Shepard's murder achieved ten y= ears ago? =A0People are still expressing their malcontent, in a variety of = ways, for the very existence of a population that is "not them" by creating= legislation that would strip civil rights away. =A0By beating people. =A0B= y mocking and asserting statements like those above to position themselves.= =A0=A0By the continued encouragement of hate towards even young GLBT youth.= =A0 Unfortunately, the above story is not unusual. =A0To be gay in this country= still carries a lethal burden in some cases, despite the "progress" people= imagine exists, thanks to the mock "visibility" of tv shows like Will and = Grace and faux-civil unions. =A0Why do gay teens still suicide three times = as often as any other teen groups? WHY? =A0Is it the need for a common enemy? =A0All of the angst to "lock you= r doors at night" has to be channeled towards a identifiable enemy when ter= rorists aren't available? =A0The scary gays who freely walk the streets buy= ing cigarettes? =A0 Oh Yeah: =A0Our African American President is being called upon to apologiz= e for the European forefathers slaying Native Americans - Happy Columbus Da= y!-- http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3D113728438&ft=3D= 1&f=3D1003 STUFF, for anyone who cares: Gay man gets brutal beating in Queens, left in critical condition=A0--http:= //www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/10/12/2009-10-12_gay_man_gets_brut= al_beating.html#ixzz0TmuIDub0 The new play, including words from the murderer, Aaron McKinney:http://www.= npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3D113663235&ft=3D1&f=3D1003 Judy Shepard on Leonard Lopate --http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/episodes/= 2009/10/12/segments/142404 =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:45:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Aryanil Mukherjee Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <4AD3A962.4000803@umn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Jeffrey Side wrote: >> I agree. But who really takes the Nobel seriously anymore? >> That's a hopelessly closed North American sigh. Most of the world takes it seriously. And that's a problem. aryanil ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:48:08 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Philip Meersman Subject: Re: Virtual Venice In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I loved it very much, it was fab fun! Philip On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Obododimma Oha wrote= : > Hi Ruth! > It was really such great fun... with Gianni there too. > > -- Obododimma. > > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Ruth Lepson > wrote: > > > thank you Obododimma--this was great fun. > > > > > > On 10/10/09 8:00 AM, "Obododimma Oha" wrote: > > > > > "Multi-authorship of a poem is such a great thrill, especially when > > carried > > > out by poets from diverse cultural backgrounds and languages, and > > > particularly when it happens at the spur of the moment." > > > More in Virtual Venice < > http://obododimma.livejournal.com/6266.html#t378 > > >. > > > > > > -- Obododimma > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > -- > Obododimma Oha > http://udude.wordpress.com/ > > Dept. of English > University of Ibadan > Nigeria > > & > > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > University of Ibadan > > Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > +234 805 350 6604; > +234 808 264 8060. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Philip Meersman A. Lynenstraat 25 bus 3 1210 St-Joost-ten-Noode Belgium tel+32 (0)476 576 287 www.myspace.com/spooninmybrain www.facebook.com/spooninmybrain www.youtube.com/spooninmybrain skype: Spooninmybrain philip.meersman@gmail.com www.poetasdelmundo.com/verInfo_europa.asp?ID=3D4337 17/07/09-28/07/09: poezie@GhentinCap: (www.kunstvogel.be/ghentincap.htm) 27/09/09: Vlaams Slam & BruSlam @ 24h Slam de Liege (www.myspace.com/24hsla= m ) 30/09/09-04/10/09: 1st European Poetry Slam Event, Berlin ( www.european-poetryslam.org) 09/10/09: Skype performance @ MHO_Save the Poetry in Venice, Venice Biennal= e 21/10/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 23/10/09: BruSlam @ Bruxelles Mosa=EFque (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 13-15/11/09: Festival Flamme, Amn=E9ville les Thermes, France 21/11/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 21/12/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:54:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders In-Reply-To: <150328754498098691186746043099230305067-Webmail@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Ah shucks David, we're all ears. I'm interested in what you would say. ~mIEKAL On Oct 11, 2009, at 10:46 PM, David Seaman wrote: > Philip, > > This is my area of speciality, so let's keep in touch. I have a lot > to say on the subject, maybe on another channel? ? > > David Seaman > > David W. Seaman, Ph.D. > http://personal.georgiasouthern.edu/~dseaman/Welcome.html > =!= Data Visualization for the Synaptically Inspired http://filevillage.info ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:32:24 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <4AD3A962.4000803@umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Interesting view. Maybe it is a USAmerican view, or a view from the country where most =20 people like to say that they are in the middle class even though they =20= might wear blue shirts (or teeshirts with insignia) to work at a =20 metalwork shoppe. So that in the US the word "minority" means the less-privileged? Irt doesn't mean that everywhere. For example, in the 19th-20th Century the Swedish-speaking minority =20 in Finland tended to be intellectual, artist and other well-off class. Remember that Idi Amin kicked the Indian minority out of Uganda =20 because he perceived them as financially better off than Africans. The white minorities in various African countries didn't compare =20 themselves with Gypsies, etc. gb On Oct 12, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Maria Damon wrote: > also, it's a little peculiar that she's a "minority" in the sense =20 > of being a relatively privileged German speaker in Romania. Not a =20 > "minority" as the Romany (gypsy) people are. > > Jeffrey Side wrote: >> I agree. But who really takes the Nobel seriously anymore? >> >> >> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:10:02 -0400, Christopher Leland Winks =20 >> wrote: >> >> >>> I'm sure Herta Mueller is as wonderful a writer as everyone says, =20= >>> but >> doesn't the chronic Eurocentrism -- and allergy to poets, much of =20 >> the time -- of the Nobel jury bother anyone on the list? =20 >> Considering how few people in the world speak German, to have four =20= >> Germanophone laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich =20 >> Boll, Gunter Grass, Elfriede Jelinek, and Herta Muller -- seems =20 >> excessive, to put it mildly. >> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Alison Croggon >>> Date: Friday, October 9, 2009 10:37 am >>> Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> >>> >>> >>>> Seconded. She a wonderful writer. >>>> xA >>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:41 AM, jesseca >> wrote: >> >>>> > OMG, The Land of Green Plums is amazing! Even in translation! >> Very >>>> much a >>>> > poet's novel. Highly recommended! >>>> > >>>> > amy king wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> STOCKHOLM=E2=80=94Herta Mueller, a little-known Romanian-born >> author who >>>> was >>>> >> persecuted for her critical depictions of life behind the =20 >>>> Iron Curtain, won >>>> >> the 2009 Nobel Prize in literature Thursday in an award seen as >> a >>>> nod to the >>>> >> 20th anniversary of communism's collapse. >>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.contracostatimes.com/nation-world/ci_13513339 >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______ >>>> >> >>>> >> NEW BOOK >>>> >> >>>> >> Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk- >>>> >> ak3.htm -- >>>> For a >>>> >> review copy, please email me directly. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. >> Check >> >>>> >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines >> >>>> > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> > >>>> -- Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au >>>> Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com >>>> Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. =20 >>>> Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/=20 >> welcome.html >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/=20 >> welcome.html >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/=20 > welcome.html The Bowering fellow. Thinks any weather is better than none. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:36:16 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Interview on my media work from Copenhagen - MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Interview on my media work from Copenhagen - http://www.kopenhagen.dk/interviews/interviews/interviews_2009/interview_alan_sondheim/ in english with pictures - check out if you have the time. Thanks, alan ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:58:15 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: twshaner@COMCAST.NET Subject: Kate Greenstreet, Zachary Schomburg, and Emily Frey Reading in Eugene MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A New Poetry Series presents an evening of poetry with=20 Kate Greenstreet, Zachary Schomburg, and Emily Frey=20 who will be reading from their work at 7:30 PM on Saturday, October 17.=20 Admission: donation.=20 =E2=80=A2 Kate Greenstreet is the author of case sensitive (Ahsahta Press, = 2006) and=20 The Last 4 Things (Ahsahta, 2009). Her new work is in current or forthcomin= g=20 issues of jubilat, Hotel Amerika, Court Green, the Denver Quarterly, and=20 Fence. For more information, visit kategreenstreet.com.=20 =E2=80=A2 Emily Kendal Frey teaches writing and literature at Portland Comm= unity=20 College . =C2=A0Blue Hour Press recently published her chapbook, AIRPORT. O= ther=20 work is forthcoming in Boog City , Handsome, Sixth Finch, and Microfilme=20 Magazine=20 =E2=80=A2 Zachary Schomburg is the author of The Man Suit (Black Ocean 2007= ), and=20 Scary, No Scary (Black Ocean 2009). He co-edits Octopus Magazine and Octopu= s=20 Books. He teaches film, literature and writing at Portland State University= =20 and Portland Community College .=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 Upcoming readings:=20 Saturday, November 7th: Allison Cobb and Jen Coleman=20 Saturday, December 5th: Alicia Cohen and Tom Fisher=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 DIVA Center 110 W. Broadway, Eugene=20 Phone: 541.344.3482=20 E-Mail: diva.programs@gmail.com=20 Web: divacenter.org=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:03:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Re: Off topic query -- The Poetics of Hate - "Liberal" New York City -- & oh, Happy Columbus Day, ahem In-Reply-To: <462866.48379.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Amy: For along time i've also been very disturbed bvy what you call the "poetics= of hate." One aspect of this is that language and actions have become sep= arted. Thereis an almost magical belief that if somone in Authority in say= politics or poetics says something=2C that=2C unquestioningly=2C one is to= accept it as truth. Actions which go against the grain of this "truth" are regraded as somehow = "wrong" if not factually=2C then in the one way that it counts=2C in an eth= ico-language one based on "rightness of words rather than actions." President Obama was thought of as the "peace candidate" and has even won a = Nobel Peace Prize=2C while al the time he ran as a candidate he openly adv= ocated the expansion of the "right war" in Afghanistan and the use of drone= s from within Pakistan to attack targets inside Pakistan as well as in Afgh= anistan. In thelast sevral years it had been learned that most of these at= tacks tend to kill priomarily numbersof civilians=2C and so turn the "enemy= " even more against the United states and UN troops. The killing of civili= ans alone should give pause=3B but no one seemed to noice any of this and s= o we had a "peace" candidate and prize winner. The same huge gap between words and actions involves the health care and li= ving conditions of most American Indian rezervations--these conditions and = care are on the same level as in Haiti=2C perennially one of the poorest co= untries in the world=2C whose own democratic election the US had to interfe= re with. =20 You have an article saying that perhaps this President may be the one to gi= ve an apology to the American indians=2C and that this is bizarre becuase t= he President is African-American. At the same time=2C already=2C the Afric= an-American President has proclaimed over and over his support for an Apart= heid State. No one seems to notice this particular bizarre fact/action eit= her. Hate crimes have greatly increased against Muslim-Americans=2C and yet ther= e is little outcry about this. Billions were stolen from American citizens= yet it is these citizens who are to pay the immense bailouts for Wall Stre= et=2C where noneof the crimianls goes to prison except Bernie Maddoff. The battle over health care has been turned into a complete travesty and th= e insurance and pharmaceutical companies are running roughshod over the US = Government--again the citizens will be paying for whatever nightmare disast= rer is created in the end to pass as "Historic Legislation." Due in good part to the war in Afghanistan=2C there has been a huge increas= e in the numbers affected in the ongoing holocausts of drug users and their= families=2C their neighborhoods=2C in this country in the last eight years= . In the last decades untold numbers of people's lives have been torpedoed= by the flood of drugs that is basically allowed to enter the country=2C of= ten in trade for the guns anyone almost can buy at wear at Public Town Hall= meetings in the US. And despite al the gains made by American Gay citizens in terms of national= awareness and some measure of public acknowledgment=2C the same violence a= s ever continues with very little protection from the police and other "gua= rdians" of the peace. I have Gay relative who i am always finding myself wo= rrying about=2C no matter where they live (including NYC.) I think if one examines the immense gaps between the uses of language and a= ppearances in terms of the media and institutions=2C and the actual actions= and policies imposed on American citizens as well as the countries effecte= d by American policies and actions=2C one finds a massive inter related "la= nguage manipulation" at every level of the society and culture. The only w= ay to be able to sustain the contradictions between perceptions and speeche= s and the actual events and policies=2C is to begin to create not only a se= ries of compartmentalized double standards=2C so that what is in each one w= on't be taken not of in the next one=2C and also the project of orwells 198= 4=2C in which "peace=3DWar". That is=2C contradictions are made to be "equ= al" in such a way that it is impossible to ask any questions of the languag= e itself or of the actions and the policies of the leaders. I think if one looks at the remarkable consistency of "hate" poetics and ac= tions from the US supportof Apartheid=2C ethnic cleansing=2C massive destab= ilization of nations=2C economic misery imposed on the citizens here and ab= road=2C launching of ever wider wars=2C the continued use of torture=2C and= the actions inside the USA against its citizens who are hated for al the w= ell known reasons--one finds that it is one long arc of violence against th= e Other=2C still=2Cdespite the good feeling caused by the election. From A= partheid to the American Indian rezervations there is a double standard for= human beings in the eyes of the US. Basically it is what one might call a= contempt for the ideas of equality among persons and the freedom of people= s to govern themselves. In short=2C a contempt for Human Rights=2C in whic= h =2C as Orwell writes in Animal Farm--"All animals are equal but some are = more equal than others." Sadly=2C there is also a form of contempt for language itself=2C because it= is words which are used to make people think that one thing or person is b= etter than another=2C it is words that make persons think lies are unquesti= oned truths=2C it is words that divide persons unnecessarily in order to di= vide Rights and any of the rights to Life and health of all. And despite pr= ofessions to the contrary--the actions of the society show who and what it = actually is. Language is used not as a means of critique=2C but as a means = of denial=2C evasions=2C avoidance of responsibility=2C or the justificatio= n for a sheer ignorance masking itself as ("noble") disinterestedness. Ironically=2C the policing of words is often far greater than the actual po= licing of violence. Yet=2C that word policing may create for a many the il= lusion that things have changed=2C or that "such things can't be true" or '= don't happen=2C" or "we don't have anything to do with that=2C we're good p= eople." Wheter supporting violence or being agsint it=2C the uses oflangua= ge operate at on=3By selected and specific sites=2C carefully chosen and co= mpartmentlaized so that one does not ask just about one group's Rights=2C b= ut all--in thatmanner=2C if the Rights of al are are put forward=2C the rig= hts of the specific wil be fouhgt for also. To only demand for one faction= in asnese is to create again the double standards and hypcoirsiy which goe= s with denying Rights to some=2C while others are effectively deleted=2C er= ased=2C vanished=2C hidden away--and are given nesxto to know acknowledgmen= t language=2C which is to be reserved only for those considered to be worth= y of it. There is a colossal outbreak of violence among teens and children this year= in Chicago--al manner of explanations are put forward. Yet when the whole = society is so su[pportive of vioelnce agsint some one somewhere=2C how are = these children to think that killing and beating is anything out of the ord= inary? Especially when the environment is one in which only the strong=2C = the grouped together and the armed are going to survive every long. Isn't = that part of the language of "American individualism" combined with a sense= of at least a temporary "teamwork?" How different are drug gangs in Ameri= can cities from the troops and the troopsof our various allies going beserk= in the Middle East? =20 A "poetics of hate" then is one in which denial of connections between acti= ons and words has to be made=2C in order to preserve the hierarchies of Rig= hts among persons here and those Americans are imposing on abroad. Once the= denials have been made=2C then the War =3DPeace' newspeak becomes possible= =2C for as much as possible al contradictions and double standards need to = be removed from sight and from critiue=2C from language itself. That way Ap= arthied=2C Rezervations=2C ethnic cleansing=2C massive theft and deaths of = citizens from childhood on will be the name of the game=2C the order of the= day. In order to justify the contempt for human life and Rights towards so= many while using the most "cleaned up" and "liberal" language possible--wh= at kind of lying is goping on inside one? Inside one's thoughts=2C one's la= nguage--that is really only just a tiny distance away from violence--? beca= use of the denial of violence in some cases while justifying it in others--= in which case al language about violence begins to be what it always has be= en--propaganda for further violence and further blindness to the "wrong " v= iolence while in favor of the "right." > Date: Mon=2C 12 Oct 2009 19:41:45 -0700 > From: amyhappens@yahoo.com > Subject: Off topic query -- The Poetics of Hate - "Liberal" New York Cit= y -- & oh=2C Happy Columbus Day=2C ahem > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > It can only happen in 'backwards' towns like Laramie=2C Wyoming? Meanwhi= le=2C activism leads to comments from liberal friends and their parents lik= e=2C "Why do I need to see all of this gay?" "As long as they don't come o= n to me!" "Keep it to themselves=2C behind closed doors!" =20 > The other night in Queens NY=2C an openly gay man=2C rather small=2C out = in his neighborhood=2C went to the local deli for a pack of cigarettes. He= was beaten nearly to death and is still close to it=2C in a coma=2C for th= e simple fact that he was gay and felt no need to hide it ... =20 > Today across the US=2C a second installment of a play=2C 'The Laramie Pro= ject: Ten Years Later=2C' was performed. For what? =20 > What good has national attention to Matthew Shepard's murder achieved ten= years ago? People are still expressing their malcontent=2C in a variety o= f ways=2C for the very existence of a population that is "not them" by crea= ting legislation that would strip civil rights away. By beating people. B= y mocking and asserting statements like those above to position themselves.= By the continued encouragement of hate towards even young GLBT youth.=20 > Unfortunately=2C the above story is not unusual. To be gay in this count= ry still carries a lethal burden in some cases=2C despite the "progress" pe= ople imagine exists=2C thanks to the mock "visibility" of tv shows like Wil= l and Grace and faux-civil unions. Why do gay teens still suicide three ti= mes as often as any other teen groups? > WHY? Is it the need for a common enemy? All of the angst to "lock your = doors at night" has to be channeled towards a identifiable enemy when terro= rists aren't available? The scary gays who freely walk the streets buying = cigarettes? =20 >=20 > Oh Yeah: Our African American President is being called upon to apologiz= e for the European forefathers slaying Native Americans - Happy Columbus Da= y!-- http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3D113728438&ft=3D= 1&f=3D1003 >=20 > STUFF=2C for anyone who cares: > Gay man gets brutal beating in Queens=2C left in critical condition --htt= p://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/10/12/2009-10-12_gay_man_gets_br= utal_beating.html#ixzz0TmuIDub0 >=20 > The new play=2C including words from the murderer=2C Aaron McKinney:http:= //www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3D113663235&ft=3D1&f=3D1003 >=20 > Judy Shepard on Leonard Lopate --http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/episode= s/2009/10/12/segments/142404 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:16:24 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Skinner Subject: Farming the Words: Talking with Robert Grenier Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ANNOUNCING A NEW TITLE FROM FIELD BOOKS Farming the Words: Talking with Robert Grenier The poet Robert Grenier in a wide-ranging conversation (held in 2003) with Tim Shaner, Jonathan Skinner and Isabelle Pelissier, featuring some close reading and discussion of six of Grenier=B9s drawing poems (included on six color plates).=20 2009 Perfect bound 62pp. Six color plates 94% recycled $12 Also available from Field Books: Rhrurbarb by Robert Kocik 2007 Perfect bound 128 pp. 100% recycled $15 Rhrurbarb offers the Sore, Oversensitive Sciences a sustained and demonstrative exploration of possible intersections between prosody and pathology. Two forty-six poem series, Remissions and Cinnabar Verses, alon= g with a Preface and a generous Glossary, offer a cross-section of Kocik=B9s range, from prosody to medicine, neuroscience and biogenetics, to Chinese alchemy and back. =20 Distributed by Small Press Distribution (www.spdbooks.org) and by Periplum Editions (www.ecopoetics.org) 145 Carding Machine Road, Bowdoinham, Maine 04008 Please make checks payable to Jonathan Skinner. Postage included in cover price. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:18:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Carol Novack Subject: The &NOW Conference in Buffalo, Wednesday, Oct 14th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 3:05 - 4:05 in Hallwalls Contemporary Arts Center Cinema Michael Peters: "Reading in the Vaast Bin" (Media/Poetry) Carol Novack: Little Red: An Operalettre" (Powerpoint/Fiction & Music) & Video Poetry. -- http://carolnovack.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:06:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: peter ganick Subject: 3 new white sky books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Three new volumes from white sky books by Peter Ganick. check 'em out. Originally written during 1994 and 1995, the texts show Ganick in a different light. The texts are referential, somewhat lyrical, and freshly reintroduced to readers. A short selection appeared with the SUNY/Buffalo Electronic Poetry Center pages, otherwise they are previously unpublished. Read them for free through the preview function, download them for a minimal fee, or purchase the print copy. SPLINTERED Vol 1 www.lulu.com/content/7595511 SPLINTERED Vol 2 www.lulu.com/content/7595620 SPLINTERED Vol 3 www.lulu.com/content/7595682 [apologies for cross-posting...] -- http://peterganick.info http://chalkeditions.co.cc http://whiteskybooks.weebly.com http://sphinxtower.co.cc http://pganickz.livejournal.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:42:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "D. Wellman" Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is something on this theme in my essay on "Field Poetics" in the current EOAGH. Additionally, sometime around 1973, Klaus Peter Decker wrote of the signal difference between concrete poetry and poesia visiva as one of context. In 1986, I translated his words n the topic in this way, "If concrete poetry has sharpened an awareness of language, so visual poetry attempts-while at the same time building on that basis and perhaps carrying it further-to develop an awareness of the context of language, an awareness of the language around us." For Dencker, as for Luciano Ori, that context is the mediated environment, dominated by commercial imagery. Ori's words are from a catalog for the exhibit, "La Poesia Visiva (1963-1979). Both texts maybe found in O.ARS 5: Translations Experiments in Reading. Donald Wellman Daniel Webster College http://faculty.dwc.edu/wellman/ -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:54 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders Ah shucks David, we're all ears. I'm interested in what you would say. ~mIEKAL On Oct 11, 2009, at 10:46 PM, David Seaman wrote: > Philip, > > This is my area of speciality, so let's keep in touch. I have a lot > to say on the subject, maybe on another channel? ? > > David Seaman > > David W. Seaman, Ph.D. > http://personal.georgiasouthern.edu/~dseaman/Welcome.html > =!= Data Visualization for the Synaptically Inspired http://filevillage.info ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:03:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: susan maurer Subject: Susan Maurer:correction for reading on 10-18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Susan Maurer will read at NYC's Bowery Poetry Club at 4 not 2:30 as origin= ally reported=2C SM =0A= _________________________________________________________________=0A= Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.=0A= http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:05:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sharon Dolin Subject: Reading at Pete's Candy Store, Fri. Oct. 23rd Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dear Friends and Fellow Poets, On Friday, Oct. 23rd, I=92ll be reading with 3 other poets (Paige =20 Taggart, Esther Smith & Patrick Lucy) in the Multifarious Array Reading Series: Pete=92s Candy Store ( www.petescandystore.com ) 709 Lorimer Street (between Frost and Richardson) Williamsburg, Brooklyn 718-302-3770 "L" to Lorimer or "G" to Metropolitan 7 p.m. Free Hope to see you there. Sharon Sharon Dolin sdolin@earthlink.net www.sharondolin.com Sharon Sharon Dolin sdolin@earthlink.net www.sharondolin.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:16:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: susan maurer Subject: Susan Maurer and Patricia Carragon read at Prairie Fire: Dynamite Dynamite MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Susan Maurer and Patricia Carragon read at Prairie Fire Poetry at NYC's Ame= rican Theatre of Actors on 11-8 at 4:30 . The address is 314 West 54th Stre= et. The reading is called Dynamite Dynamite. SM =0A= _________________________________________________________________=0A= Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.=0A= http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:19:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ward Tietz Subject: Re: Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Other issues aside, we can distinguish, semiotically, using Peirce's typology, traditionally printed or text-based poetry from so-called visual poetry. In traditional text-based poetry signification occurs symbolically; in "visual" poetry, signification occurs both symbolically and iconically. Indexical signification is sometimes thrown in, too. Best, WT On Oct 13, 2009, at 12:01 AM, POETICS automatic digest system wrote: >> > > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:27:25 -0400 > From: Mairead Byrne > Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders > > You must be joking, Philip. > The definition of Visual Poetry is the transgression of borders. > You can see that in its coupling of terms; also in its twin > invitations to = > the material and the philosophical; and in the way it make > everything = > wobble: thought, language, print, paper, preconceptions, and the > very many = > overlapping and chiasmic self-definitions it yields. It is all > border, = > imo, even at heart. > Mair=C3=A9ad > >>>> philip.meersman@GMAIL.COM 10/08/09 3:22 PM >>> > Hi all,I'm starting to work on a bachelor paper at the Free > University in > Brussels where I follow Art Sciences and Archaeology. > I'm concentrating on the contemporary arts and my research is > directed to > finding a workable definition of Visual Poetry and what the extreme = > borders > are of Visual Poetry. > > If you could help me in looking for what you think a good definition > is of > Visual Poetry and where does Visual Poetry start and where does it > stop? > > > Thank you in advance, > > Philip > > > > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:44:25 -0400 > From: Ruth Lepson > Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders > > hi philip it was fun to be on the biennale webcam with you. > haven't seen it but there is a show of visual poetry from the new > oxford > book of latin am poetry--curated by cecilia vicuna--it's at a > gallery in > NY--maybe some on this list have seen it. > >> > > > -------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:46:12 -0400 > From: David Seaman > Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders > > Philip,=20 > > This is my area of speciality, so let's keep in touch. I have a lot > to say = > on the subject, maybe on another channel? ? > > David Seaman > > David W. Seaman, Ph.D. > http://personal.georgiasouthern.edu/~dseaman/Welcome.html > > =20 > On Thursday, October 08, 2009, at 03:22PM, "Philip Meersman" > an@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >> Hi all,I'm starting to work on a bachelor paper at the Free >> University in >> Brussels where I follow Art Sciences and Archaeology. >> I'm concentrating on the contemporary arts and my research is >> directed to >> finding a workable definition of Visual Poetry and what the extreme >> border= > s >> are of Visual Poetry. >> >> If you could help me in looking for what you think a good >> definition is of >> Visual Poetry and where does Visual Poetry start and where does it >> stop? >> >> >> Thank you in advance, >> >> Philip >> >>>> > > > > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:54:08 -0500 > From: mIEKAL aND > Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders > > Ah shucks David, we're all ears. I'm interested in what you would > say. > > ~mIEKAL > > > On Oct 11, 2009, at 10:46 PM, David Seaman wrote: > >> Philip, >> >> This is my area of speciality, so let's keep in touch. I have a lot >> to say on the subject, maybe on another channel? ? >> >> David Seaman >> >> David W. Seaman, Ph.D. >> http://personal.georgiasouthern.edu/~dseaman/Welcome.html >> > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:35:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christopher Leland Winks Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How many people speak Chinese? Well then,. how many Nobel Laureates from China have there been? How many Latin Americans? (Not many.) How many Brazilians? How many from South Asia? How many from sub-Saharan Africa who don't happen to be white (so there go Lessing, Gordimer, and Coetzee)? How many Arabs? (Only Mahfouz.) Eurocentrism dies hard. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Jo Malo Date: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:45 pm Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Considering how few people in the world speak German, to have four > Germanophone laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich Boll, > Gunter Grass, Elfriede Jelinek, and Herta Muller -- seems excessive, > to put it mildly. (Christopher Leland Winks) > > The selection of 87% non-German speaking laureates isn't fair? > > Mary Jo Malo > -- > http://thisshiningwound.blogspot.com/ > http://apophisdeconstructingabsurdity.blogspot.com/ > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:52:19 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mary Kasimor Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <20091013092348.AFX49428@griffmail.canisius.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Johanna, I appreciate your remarks. I do think that even for those who cons= ider themselves liberal Americans, often there is a swagger to their talk. = I also have an immigrant mom from Europe, and she has helped me look at all= sides with compassion. I don't know if it is because she saw WWII, or if t= hat is simply her nature.=20 --- On Tue, 10/13/09, Johanna Fisher wrote: From: Johanna Fisher Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 8:23 AM The remarks to this forum over a writer who has given us all a glimpse into= a part of the world that is only sensationalized by the media are rather t= elling as to why American writers do not win the Nobel Prize. Furthermore, = there are many of us who do believe it a honour that merits respect. Euroce= ntrism is a rather heavy charge to launch against the academy. I consider m= yself European and often times critical of policies that come out governmen= ts that are not always sensitive to the poor, the disenfranchised and those= who are minorities (and by the way I am a monority-my mother is European, = my father was American), and yet I experienced a more open society than the= one I am living in now, one that is unwilling to examine its deep seated p= rejudices-one that Americentric (if I may create a word here). I am very pr= oud that a German woman is recognized by the academy for her work- we might= also stop here to consider that finally women are being honoured for their contributions. Alas, I am rambling, but I could not let these re= marks go unanswered.=20 jfisher ---- Original message ---- >Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:32:24 -0700 >From: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" (on behalf= of George Bowering ) >Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize=C2=A0=20 >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Interesting view. >Maybe it is a USAmerican view, or a view from the country where most=C2=A0= =20 >people like to say that they are in the middle class even though they=C2= =A0=20 >might wear blue shirts (or teeshirts with insignia) to work at a=C2=A0=20 >metalwork shoppe. >So that in the US the word "minority" means the less-privileged? >Irt doesn't mean that everywhere. >For example, in the 19th-20th Century the Swedish-speaking minority=C2=A0= =20 >in Finland tended to be intellectual, artist and other well-off class. >Remember that Idi Amin kicked the Indian minority out of Uganda=C2=A0=20 >because he perceived them as financially better off than Africans. >The white minorities in various African countries didn't compare=C2=A0=20 >themselves with Gypsies, etc. > >gb > > >On Oct 12, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Maria Damon wrote: > >> also, it's a little peculiar that she's a "minority" in the sense=C2=A0= =20 >> of being a relatively privileged German speaker in Romania. Not a=C2=A0= =20 >> "minority" as the Romany (gypsy) people are. >> >> Jeffrey Side wrote: >>> I agree. But who really takes the Nobel seriously anymore? >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:10:02 -0400, Christopher Leland Winks=C2=A0=20 >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I'm sure Herta Mueller is as wonderful a writer as everyone says,=C2= =A0=20 >>>> but >>> doesn't the chronic Eurocentrism -- and allergy to poets, much of=C2=A0= =20 >>> the time -- of the Nobel jury bother anyone on the list?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 >>> Considering how few people in the world speak German, to have four=C2= =A0=20 >>> Germanophone laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich=C2=A0= =20 >>> Boll, Gunter Grass, Elfriede Jelinek, and Herta Muller -- seems=C2=A0= =20 >>> excessive, to put it mildly. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Alison Croggon >>>> Date: Friday, October 9, 2009 10:37 am >>>> Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Seconded. She a wonderful writer. >>>>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0xA >>>>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:41 AM, jesseca >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>=C2=A0 > OMG, The Land of Green Plums is amazing! Even in translation! >>> Very >>>>> much a >>>>>=C2=A0 > poet's novel. 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Check guideline= s & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=20 =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:39:28 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Eireene Nealand Subject: Re: The &NOW Conference in Buffalo, Wednesday, Oct 14th In-Reply-To: <7ee200e80910122118h2f145e35m636a1e8e79a4345d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yay! It's going to be great. 2:00 to 3:20 PM Franklin (3rd) I. Juliana Leslie, Eireene Nealard, Andrea Quaid =93Threesome: A Poetics of the Interface=94 (critical) Our talk on Saturday will range from Petrarch, to LangPo to po-humanism, and there will be some reading too with excerpts from the lovely litmag, Sidebrow... ...and then vodka? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Carol Novack wrote: > 3:05 - 4:05 in Hallwalls Contemporary Arts Center Cinema > Michael Peters: "Reading in the Vaast Bin" (Media/Poetry) > Carol Novack: Little Red: An Operalettre" (Powerpoint/Fiction & Music) & > Video Poetry. > > -- > http://carolnovack.blogspot.com > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:49:16 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders In-Reply-To: <000701ca4c02$ab32f710$0198e530$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since you mention La poesia visiva, I can't but remind us of Ugo Carrega, founder of La Nuova Scrittura (1967) and Il Mercato del Sale (1974). There are a couple of "unluckily" I must mention, one is that Ugo does not like pc's, that is why he is not known to the cyber-public, the second is that he sent me two full CD's with his superb work for the Poets' Corner (besides several -literally- boxes of his books) but saved on a Mac and there is no way for me to upload the pictures. http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D56 On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:42 PM, D. Wellman wrote= : > There is something on this theme in my essay on "Field Poetics" in the > current EOAGH. Additionally, sometime around 1973, Klaus Peter Decker wro= te > of the signal difference between concrete poetry and poesia visiva as one > of > context. In 1986, I translated his words n the topic in this way, "If > concrete poetry has sharpened an awareness of language, so visual poetry > attempts-while at the same time building on that basis and perhaps carryi= ng > it further-to develop an awareness of the context of language, an awarene= ss > of the language around us." For Dencker, as for Luciano Ori, that context > is > the mediated environment, dominated by commercial imagery. Ori's words ar= e > from a catalog for the exhibit, "La Poesia Visiva (1963-1979). Both texts > maybe found in O.ARS 5: Translations Experiments in Reading. > > Donald Wellman > Daniel Webster College > http://faculty.dwc.edu/wellman/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of mIEKAL aND > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:54 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders > > Ah shucks David, we're all ears. I'm interested in what you would say. > > ~mIEKAL > > > On Oct 11, 2009, at 10:46 PM, David Seaman wrote: > > > Philip, > > > > This is my area of speciality, so let's keep in touch. I have a lot > > to say on the subject, maybe on another channel? ? > > > > David Seaman > > > > David W. Seaman, Ph.D. > > http://personal.georgiasouthern.edu/~dseaman/Welcome.html > > > > > > > > > > =3D!=3D > Data Visualization for the Synaptically Inspired > http://filevillage.info > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche =AB Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae =BB Giovenale =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:55:44 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <20091013092348.AFX49428@griffmail.canisius.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Johanna, I sent the following to another list for Obama's Nobel Prize and I highlighted Alonzo L. Hamby's comment which might be of interest to you on this forum, from *The New York Times*: http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/09/what-does-a-nobel -do-for-us-leaders/?hp And I think there is some truth in them all. But the Norwegian Nobel Committee never claimed they were giving President Obama the award for his nine-month old presidency. Barack Obama, it seems, deserved the Nobel for his audacious ability to navigate the curse of racis= m with unparalleled integrity and high-mindedness. *Douglas Brinkley, a professor of history at Rice University, is the author of =93The Wilderness Warrior=94 and the editor of =93The Reagan Diaries.=94= * ** **Mr. Obama, by contrast, is vaguely =93un-American=94: soft of language, s= oft of power, an American social democrat out to make his country more =93European=94 =97 always ready to reach out to those who do not reach out = to the West, nor wish it well. This is how the Europeans, once a race of conqueror= s and colonizers, like to see themselves: peaceable, cooperative, high-minded =97 that is, in a more advanced stage of development than Bushist America. *Josef Joffe, on leave as the editor of Die Zeit, the German weekly, is a senior fellow at the Freeman-Spogli Institute for International Studies and Abramowitz Fellow at the Hoover Institution, both at Stanford University.* ** ** *American writers, the literature committee has told us, need not aspire to the literature award. * *Alonzo L. Hamby , a professor at Ohio University, is the author of =93For the Survival of Democracy: Franklin Roosevelt and the World Crisis of the 1930s=94 and =93Man of the People: A Life of Harry S. Truman.=94 * ** ** Barack Obama, it now seems clear, is a lucky man. Not that he isn=92t talented. He is at least as smart as Carter, as good on a podium as Reagan, and as good at press wrangling as J.F.K. But all this and more would not bring him from an Illinois Senate seat to the White House in five years without Lady Luck. And if anybody had any lingering doubts, the Nobel nod came just when he needed a break =97 blotting out the memory of the Olympic fiasco in Copenhagen. Once again, President Obama is the unrivaled star of the political heavens. But everything has a downside, even luck. *Walter Russell Mead is the Kissinger Senior Fellow for U.S. Foreign Policy at the Council of Foreign Relations. He is author of =93Special Providence: American Foreign Policy and How It Changed the World.=94 * It also seems that her work has not been translated into English, yet. Best wishes, Anny Ballardini On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Johanna Fisher wrote= : > The remarks to this forum over a writer who has given us all a glimpse in= to > a part of the world that is only sensationalized by the media are rather > telling as to why American writers do not win the Nobel Prize. Furthermor= e, > there are many of us who do believe it a honour that merits respect. > Eurocentrism is a rather heavy charge to launch against the academy. I > consider myself European and often times critical of policies that come o= ut > governments that are not always sensitive to the poor, the disenfranchise= d > and those who are minorities (and by the way I am a monority-my mother is > European, my father was American), and yet I experienced a more open soci= ety > than the one I am living in now, one that is unwilling to examine its dee= p > seated prejudices-one that Americentric (if I may create a word here). I = am > very proud that a German woman is recognized by the academy for her work-= we > might also stop here to consider that finally women are being honoured fo= r > their contributions. Alas, I am rambling, but I could not let these remar= ks > go unanswered. > > jfisher > > --=20 Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche =AB Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae =BB Giovenale =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:09:49 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jack Foley Subject: ROCKPILE: Performed by David Meltzer & Michael Rothenberg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ROCKPILE is a collaboration between David Meltzer * poet, musician, essayist, and more * and Michael Rothenberg of Big Bridge Press. David and Michael will journey through eight cities in the U.S. to perform poetry and prose, composed while on the road, with local musicians and artists in each city. ROCKPILE will serve to educate and preserve as well as to create a history of collaboration. It will help to reinforce the tradition of the troubadour of all generations, central to the cultural upheaval and identity politics that reawakened poets, artists, musicians, and songwriters in the mid-1960s through the 1970s. The project will end with a final multimedia performance in San Francisco. Made possible by a grant from the Creative Work Fund *Sunday, November 1, 2009 The Writer’s Center* *“All About Rockpile” *with David Meltzer, Michael Rothenberg, and celebrated pianist and composer Burnett Thompson with members of The New Columbia Orchestra. Guest readers include Terri Carrion, Tom Mandel, Sarah Browning, Ed Baker, Beth Joselow, Buck Downs, Carlo Parcelli, Rod Smith Tala Rahmeh, Reuben Jackson and Brian Gilmore. Time: 2pm-3:30pm 4508 Walsh St Chevy Chase, MD https://www.writer.org/ *Tuesday, November 3, 12 noon-1:30pm, ROCKPILE Symposium at IPS* David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg discuss “Art and Activism, Poetry and Music and The Troubadour Tradition” Moderator: Sarah Browning Poets in the (Think) Tank The Institute for Policy Studies 1112 16th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, DC Farragut North or Farragut West Metro For more info@splitthisrock.org or 202-787-5210 *Wednesday, November 4th, DC ROCKPILE Performance at Busboys and Poets * David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg with Burnett Thompson and The New Columbia Orchestra. The New Columbia Orchestra includes Tango, Flamenco, Traditional Chinese and the original Big Band repertoire among its many influences. Eclecticism and a desire for musical adventure mark the NCO’s partnerships with artists from Brazil, Spain, China, Argentina, and Peru. Pianist/composer Burnett Thompson leads the ensemble. Tickets: $10 Time: 9-11pm 2021 14 St. NW Washington, DC 20009 202-387-9757 http://www.busboysandpoets.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:32:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: In neo-bhakti spontaneity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _______________ SALMON POETRY (of Knockeven at the Cliffs of Moher in County Clare, Ireland) invites you to celebrate the publication of "Uttering Her Name" by the Irish poet Gabriel Rosenstock http://www.salmonpoetry.com/uttering.html The event will take place on Thursday the 15th of October at 6:30 p.m. in The Unitarian Church, 112 West St. Stephen=92s Green, Dublin 2, Ireland. "Uttering Her Name" consists of spontaneous, ecstatic utterances in a neo-bhakti style, that is to say a modern slant on those poems of intense devotion which are still read and chanted in India today. David Butler, in Poetry Ireland Review, wrote: "With more than one hundred books to his name, Rosenstock has set himself up as something of a Gaelic shaman, as likely to invoke Buddha or Xolotl as any chthonic Celtic deity." P=E1draig de Paor, in Poetry International, wrote: "Rosenstock is so famously difficult to pin down, that one is slow to try to describe him at all. Indeed, this foxy elusiveness may be his defining feature." Gabriel Rosenstock has authored more than 160 books! "Uttering Her Name" is his d=E9but volume in English. To purchase the book, go to ... http://www.salmonpoetry.com/uttering.html For additional information, go to ... http://www.salmonpoetry.com/ Questions may be sent to ... info@salmonpoetry.com In neo-bhakti spontaneity, S=E9amas Cain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com _______________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:08:51 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Philip Meersman Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders In-Reply-To: <000701ca4c02$ab32f710$0198e530$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want to thank all of you that contributed and hope to read more contributions still that can help me in my quest.If you know of good referential books, thesisses, papers,.... please let me know. I wanted to work around the topic of visual poetry because, together with performance poetry, slam poetry and sound poetry, visual poetry is not getting any funding here in Flanders (Dutch speaking part of Belgium). It i= s seen as not being part of Literature and therefor the work invested by poet= s and artists to go to festivals, readings, try to get published isn't recognised and mostly no stipendium is given because of this too. Most experimental poetry is considered as a fashion/fase that will pass by and i= s not to be taken seriously nor taken into account. Hence my willingness to prove that Visual Poetry is part of an international movement that has root= s and a history and also has a future ahead. Since I'm a mostly involved and therefor a concerned party in the performance and sound poetry part (also a bit in slam poetry) I decided to work on visual poetry. I think it's not good to be researcher and poet in the same field, it makes you too involved and subjective and hence the research could be interpreted wronly. (Although I must admit that I do writ= e sometimes visual poetry too). I'm studying Art Sciences and Archaeology at VUB in Brussels (Belgium) and = I thought it would be an interesting starting point to start from drawing, painting, colage, photography,... into the poetics and into language as such. Since I have always, also in my poetry, worked around communication, language and the ways of (not) understanding each other through these different forms of communication, I thought this would be a good basis for = a definition too. But finding a workable definition that suits all forms of (visual) poetry i= s not easy. Hence my call at you all here in this poetics list. Indeed some of the reactions seem to state that I can't ask for the obvious= , but the more I try to find a good definition that include philosophical ideas of language, descriptive forms of communication, ways of understanding, images, concepts, interpretation, art, structure and content I find myself lost again. Next to that a lot of definitions are suited for one or two forms of (concrete) poetry, but seem not to take into account other forms of visual poetry and sometimes even the link with poetry (as a form of Literature) seems to be lost whatsoever. So back to the drawing board. My first aim, in my bachelor paper, is to find a definition of visual poetry. But in this, one need to research also the history of visual poetry= . In this part of my paper I want to give a brief overview of the historical context, included the elements of the definition with the ancestoral form and examples of (visual) poetry. Of course poetry is derived of Greek where it has the meaning of "making" o= r "constructing" something "artificial". My idea was to construct a historical structure into my paper as follows: *A visual poetry history starting with Malarme and Appolinaire. * **Question here is if I need to start earlier and if so, how far back do I need to go? Take also different forms of petrogliefs and hierogliefs into account? *Part two* would continue with the *Dada-movement* and the *Cubists?* with their *collages* also including the *Russian Futurists* and the * Zaum-movement* of Velimir Hlebnikov and Mayakovski. Part *three* would bring us at the *Surrealists* (*Magritte* has a great article on words and images in his series "the *treason of the image*" and now with the new Magritte Museum here in Brussels, this would help a lot in defining visual poetry I think) So to flow into *Cobra, Fluxus, Wiener Action Gruppe, John Cage* (and the *notation systems* of his *sound poetry* and of other sound poets as Jackson Mac Low, Jerome Rothenberg e.a.) and *Concrete Poetry*. I would at this point in my paper want to take some time to present a few *representative contemporary visual poets (World, Europe, Belgium)*, but also visual poetry magazines, books, festivals... Of course *including *more *contemporary movements* (*mailart* movements e.g.). I would at the *end *come to some *questions *concerning the *inclusion *(o= r not of) *Video-poetry, Second Life performances* and *internet* (so visual) poetry and *other new media forms of poetry* should be *considered as Visua= l Poetry*. This is how I see things now and I consider this as a very open skeleton of my paper in which a lot of parts can be changed, added,... like a mecano structure. I hope to start a discussion with you all on this and with your imput be able to work towards an acceptable result for myself, my professors, the Faculty of Archaeology and Art Sciences of the Free University of Brussels, you all and my peers. (although I know that pleasing all of those will be a= n almost impossible task) As you see, this will not be a work of one weekend or week, but I hope to finish a first paper (my bachelor paper) next year. Looking forward to more comments, propositions, informations, book titles and articles and links to different scientific research on this topic. Thank you all very much in advance. --=20 Philip Meersman A. Lynenstraat 25 bus 3 1210 St-Joost-ten-Noode Belgium tel+32 (0)476 576 287 www.myspace.com/spooninmybrain www.facebook.com/spooninmybrain www.youtube.com/spooninmybrain skype: Spooninmybrain philip.meersman@gmail.com www.poetasdelmundo.com/verInfo_europa.asp?ID=3D4337 17/07/09-28/07/09: poezie@GhentinCap: (www.kunstvogel.be/ghentincap.htm) 27/09/09: Vlaams Slam & BruSlam @ 24h Slam de Liege (www.myspace.com/24hsla= m ) 30/09/09-04/10/09: 1st European Poetry Slam Event, Berlin ( www.european-poetryslam.org) 09/10/09: Skype performance @ MHO_Save the Poetry in Venice, Venice Biennal= e 21/10/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 23/10/09: BruSlam @ Bruxelles Mosa=EFque (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 13-15/11/09: Festival Flamme, Amn=E9ville les Thermes, France 21/11/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 21/12/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:41:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <5c20bbe426efad.4ad45806@mail.nyu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What about Orhan Pamuk? Does that mean that the academy sees Turkey now as part of Europe or the reverse, the choice being a sign of its open-mindedness? Ciao, Murat On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Christopher Leland Winks wrote: > How many people speak Chinese? Well then,. how many Nobel Laureates from > China have there been? How many Latin Americans? (Not many.) How many > Brazilians? How many from South Asia? How many from sub-Saharan Africa who > don't happen to be white (so there go Lessing, Gordimer, and Coetzee)? How > many Arabs? (Only Mahfouz.) > > Eurocentrism dies hard. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary Jo Malo > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:45 pm > Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > > Considering how few people in the world speak German, to have four > > Germanophone laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich Boll, > > Gunter Grass, Elfriede Jelinek, and Herta Muller -- seems excessive, > > to put it mildly. (Christopher Leland Winks) > > > > The selection of 87% non-German speaking laureates isn't fair? > > > > Mary Jo Malo > > -- > > http://thisshiningwound.blogspot.com/ > > http://apophisdeconstructingabsurdity.blogspot.com/ > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:42:09 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Elizabeth Switaj Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70910130855m52777372uac1ce0b7f4e4883d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Johanna Fisher >wrote: > > > The remarks to this forum over a writer who has given us all a glimpse > into > > a part of the world that is only sensationalized by the media are rather > > telling as to why American writers do not win the Nobel Prize. > Toni Morrison? ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:04:14 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: laura oliver Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders In-Reply-To: <44892a90910131008s62e060bcm37267c9b4253c0af@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know if this book has been suggested=2C but I recommend An Antholog= y of Concrete Poetry edited by Emmett Williams=2C published 1967 by Somethi= ng Else Press. The foreward brings up the same historical points as your ou= tline mentioning pattern poems of the Babylonians=2C anagrams of early monk= s=2C carmina figurata of the Greek Bucolic poets=2C etc. The book contains = a large=2C worldwide selection of the Concrete Poet's work from the 50's an= d 60's. -Laura > Date: Tue=2C 13 Oct 2009 19:08:51 +0200 > From: philip.meersman@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > I want to thank all of you that contributed and hope to read more > contributions still that can help me in my quest.If you know of good > referential books=2C thesisses=2C papers=2C.... please let me know. >=20 > I wanted to work around the topic of visual poetry because=2C together wi= th > performance poetry=2C slam poetry and sound poetry=2C visual poetry is no= t > getting any funding here in Flanders (Dutch speaking part of Belgium). It= is > seen as not being part of Literature and therefor the work invested by po= ets > and artists to go to festivals=2C readings=2C try to get published isn't > recognised and mostly no stipendium is given because of this too. Most > experimental poetry is considered as a fashion/fase that will pass by and= is > not to be taken seriously nor taken into account. Hence my willingness to > prove that Visual Poetry is part of an international movement that has ro= ots > and a history and also has a future ahead. > Since I'm a mostly involved and therefor a concerned party in the > performance and sound poetry part (also a bit in slam poetry) I decided t= o > work on visual poetry. I think it's not good to be researcher and poet in > the same field=2C it makes you too involved and subjective and hence the > research could be interpreted wronly. (Although I must admit that I do wr= ite > sometimes visual poetry too). >=20 > I'm studying Art Sciences and Archaeology at VUB in Brussels (Belgium) an= d I > thought it would be an interesting starting point to start from drawing= =2C > painting=2C colage=2C photography=2C... into the poetics and into languag= e as > such. >=20 > Since I have always=2C also in my poetry=2C worked around communication= =2C > language and the ways of (not) understanding each other through these > different forms of communication=2C I thought this would be a good basis = for a > definition too. >=20 > But finding a workable definition that suits all forms of (visual) poetry= is > not easy. Hence my call at you all here in this poetics list. > Indeed some of the reactions seem to state that I can't ask for the obvio= us=2C > but the more I try to find a good definition that include philosophical > ideas of language=2C descriptive forms of communication=2C ways of > understanding=2C images=2C concepts=2C interpretation=2C art=2C structure= and content > I find myself lost again. > Next to that a lot of definitions are suited for one or two forms of > (concrete) poetry=2C but seem not to take into account other forms of vis= ual > poetry and sometimes even the link with poetry (as a form of Literature) > seems to be lost whatsoever. So back to the drawing board. >=20 > My first aim=2C in my bachelor paper=2C is to find a definition of visual > poetry. But in this=2C one need to research also the history of visual po= etry. > In this part of my paper I want to give a brief overview of the historica= l > context=2C included the elements of the definition with the ancestoral fo= rm > and examples of (visual) poetry. >=20 > Of course poetry is derived of Greek where it has the meaning of "making"= or > "constructing" something "artificial". >=20 > My idea was to construct a historical structure into my paper as follows= : >=20 > *A visual poetry history starting with Malarme and Appolinaire. * > **Question here is if I need to start earlier and if so=2C how far back d= o I > need to go? Take also different forms of petrogliefs and hierogliefs into > account? > *Part two* would continue with the *Dada-movement* and the *Cubists?* wit= h > their *collages* also including the *Russian Futurists* and the * > Zaum-movement* of Velimir Hlebnikov and Mayakovski. > Part *three* would bring us at the *Surrealists* (*Magritte* has a great > article on words and images in his series "the *treason of the image*" an= d > now with the new Magritte Museum here in Brussels=2C this would help a lo= t in > defining visual poetry I think) > So to flow into *Cobra=2C Fluxus=2C Wiener Action Gruppe=2C John Cage* (a= nd > the *notation > systems* of his *sound poetry* and of other sound poets as Jackson Mac Lo= w=2C > Jerome Rothenberg e.a.) and *Concrete Poetry*. > I would at this point in my paper want to take some time to present a > few *representative > contemporary visual poets (World=2C Europe=2C Belgium)*=2C but also visua= l poetry > magazines=2C books=2C festivals... > Of course *including *more *contemporary movements* (*mailart* movements > e.g.). > I would at the *end *come to some *questions *concerning the *inclusion *= (or > not of) *Video-poetry=2C Second Life performances* and *internet* (so vis= ual) > poetry and *other new media forms of poetry* should be *considered as Vis= ual > Poetry*. >=20 >=20 > This is how I see things now and I consider this as a very open skeleton = of > my paper in which a lot of parts can be changed=2C added=2C... like a mec= ano > structure. > I hope to start a discussion with you all on this and with your imput be > able to work towards an acceptable result for myself=2C my professors=2C = the > Faculty of Archaeology and Art Sciences of the Free University of Brussel= s=2C > you all and my peers. (although I know that pleasing all of those will be= an > almost impossible task) >=20 > As you see=2C this will not be a work of one weekend or week=2C but I hop= e to > finish a first paper (my bachelor paper) next year. >=20 > Looking forward to more comments=2C propositions=2C informations=2C book = titles > and articles and links to different scientific research on this topic. >=20 > Thank you all very much in advance. >=20 > --=20 > Philip Meersman > A. Lynenstraat 25 bus 3 > 1210 St-Joost-ten-Noode > Belgium > tel+32 (0)476 576 287 > www.myspace.com/spooninmybrain > www.facebook.com/spooninmybrain > www.youtube.com/spooninmybrain > skype: Spooninmybrain > philip.meersman@gmail.com >=20 > www.poetasdelmundo.com/verInfo_europa.asp?ID=3D4337 > 17/07/09-28/07/09: poezie@GhentinCap: (www.kunstvogel.be/ghentincap.htm) > 27/09/09: Vlaams Slam & BruSlam @ 24h Slam de Liege (www.myspace.com/24hs= lam > ) > 30/09/09-04/10/09: 1st European Poetry Slam Event=2C Berlin ( > www.european-poetryslam.org) > 09/10/09: Skype performance @ MHO_Save the Poetry in Venice=2C Venice Bie= nnale >=20 > 21/10/09: BruSlam=2C GalerY=2C Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) > 23/10/09: BruSlam @ Bruxelles Mosa=EFque (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) > 13-15/11/09: Festival Flamme=2C Amn=E9ville les Thermes=2C France > 21/11/09: BruSlam=2C GalerY=2C Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) > 21/12/09: BruSlam=2C GalerY=2C Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =0A= _________________________________________________________________=0A= Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.=0A= http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:24:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ryan Daley Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <20091013092348.AFX49428@griffmail.canisius.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "I consider myself European." But ARE you? I would also like to point out that you're referencing ONE person on a LISTSERV of around 2000 people, a LISTSERV based in a country of 300 million+. To say that the opinions on one person on this list are representative of anything near unanimity is dead wrong. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Johanna Fisher wrote= : > The remarks to this forum over a writer who has given us all a glimpse in= to > a part of the world that is only sensationalized by the media are rather > telling as to why American writers do not win the Nobel Prize. Furthermor= e, > there are many of us who do believe it a honour that merits respect. > Eurocentrism is a rather heavy charge to launch against the academy. I > consider myself European and often times critical of policies that come o= ut > governments that are not always sensitive to the poor, the disenfranchise= d > and those who are minorities (and by the way I am a monority-my mother is > European, my father was American), and yet I experienced a more open soci= ety > than the one I am living in now, one that is unwilling to examine its dee= p > seated prejudices-one that Americentric (if I may create a word here). I = am > very proud that a German woman is recognized by the academy for her work-= we > might also stop here to consider that finally women are being honoured fo= r > their contributions. Alas, I am rambling, but I could not let these remar= ks > go unanswered. > > jfisher > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:32:24 -0700 > >From: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" (on > behalf of George Bowering ) > >Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > >Interesting view. > >Maybe it is a USAmerican view, or a view from the country where most > >people like to say that they are in the middle class even though they > >might wear blue shirts (or teeshirts with insignia) to work at a > >metalwork shoppe. > >So that in the US the word "minority" means the less-privileged? > >Irt doesn't mean that everywhere. > >For example, in the 19th-20th Century the Swedish-speaking minority > >in Finland tended to be intellectual, artist and other well-off class. > >Remember that Idi Amin kicked the Indian minority out of Uganda > >because he perceived them as financially better off than Africans. > >The white minorities in various African countries didn't compare > >themselves with Gypsies, etc. > > > >gb > > > > > >On Oct 12, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Maria Damon wrote: > > > >> also, it's a little peculiar that she's a "minority" in the sense > >> of being a relatively privileged German speaker in Romania. Not a > >> "minority" as the Romany (gypsy) people are. > >> > >> Jeffrey Side wrote: > >>> I agree. But who really takes the Nobel seriously anymore? > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:10:02 -0400, Christopher Leland Winks > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> I'm sure Herta Mueller is as wonderful a writer as everyone says, > >>>> but > >>> doesn't the chronic Eurocentrism -- and allergy to poets, much of > >>> the time -- of the Nobel jury bother anyone on the list? > >>> Considering how few people in the world speak German, to have four > >>> Germanophone laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich > >>> Boll, Gunter Grass, Elfriede Jelinek, and Herta Muller -- seems > >>> excessive, to put it mildly. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Alison Croggon > >>>> Date: Friday, October 9, 2009 10:37 am > >>>> Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Seconded. She a wonderful writer. > >>>>> xA > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:41 AM, jesseca > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>>> > OMG, The Land of Green Plums is amazing! Even in translation! > >>> Very > >>>>> much a > >>>>> > poet's novel. Highly recommended! > >>>>> > > >>>>> > amy king wrote: > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> STOCKHOLM=E2=80=94Herta Mueller, a little-known Romanian-born > >>> author who > >>>>> was > >>>>> >> persecuted for her critical depictions of life behind the > >>>>> Iron Curtain, won > >>>>> >> the 2009 Nobel Prize in literature Thursday in an award seen as > >>> a > >>>>> nod to the > >>>>> >> 20th anniversary of communism's collapse. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> http://www.contracostatimes.com/nation-world/ci_13513339 > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> _______ > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> NEW BOOK > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk- > >>>>> > >>> ak3.htm -- > >>>>> For a > >>>>> >> review copy, please email me directly. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>>>> >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > >>> Check > >>> > >>>>> >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >>> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>>>> > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >>> guidelines > >>> > >>>>> > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au > >>>>> Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com > >>>>> Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com > >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > >>>>> Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: > >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >>> > >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > >>> welcome.html > >>> > >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:31:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Allan Revich Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Poetry for the eyes -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Ruth Lepson Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 11:44 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders hi philip it was fun to be on the biennale webcam with you. haven't seen it but there is a show of visual poetry from the new oxford book of latin am poetry--curated by cecilia vicuna--it's at a gallery in NY--maybe some on this list have seen it. On 10/8/09 3:22 PM, "Philip Meersman" wrote: > Hi all,I'm starting to work on a bachelor paper at the Free University in > Brussels where I follow Art Sciences and Archaeology. > I'm concentrating on the contemporary arts and my research is directed to > finding a workable definition of Visual Poetry and what the extreme borders > are of Visual Poetry. > > If you could help me in looking for what you think a good definition is of > Visual Poetry and where does Visual Poetry start and where does it stop? > > > Thank you in advance, > > Philip > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:15:29 -0700 Reply-To: gfrym@earthlink.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gloria Frym Subject: technical question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know why many 19th century novelists use the abbreviation, ---shire, instead of the full place name or a fictional place name? Thanks. Gloria Frym ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:16:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: From the Eyebeam performance last Friday night - MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From the Eyebeam performance last Friday night - Foofwa, avadance real Alan, avadance irreal thanks to Helfe Ihnen and Scott Kildall http://www.alansondheim.org/eyebeam.mp4 the as-if 40c40 < little distinction between environment and object; there was --- > little distinction between enviroment and object; there was 46c46 < the all - it takes a large hadron collider to operate on the cosmos --- > the all - it takes a large hadron collidor to operate on the cosmos 89c89 < everything in the show, a classification system attempting to corral --- > everything in the show, a classification system attemptig to corral 129c129 < the cold room for example, and you're parameterized in a way: what you --- > the cold room for example, and you're paramterized in a way: what you 159c159 < there's the double scaffolding of experiment and mathesis. It's as if --- > there's the double scaffoding of experiment and mathesis. It's as if the as-if ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:20:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "J. Michael Mollohan" Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <5c20bbe426efad.4ad45806@mail.nyu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alfred Nobel was a European, and the prize and its criteria were fashioned after European interests. I doubt a Chinese, Japanese, or Hindi speaker has ever reviewed anything other than scientific journals written by Asians in consideration for any of the Nobel prizes. Only the Peace prize, which doesn't rely on anything written by the honoree has been awarded to anyone with a non-European lineage. Then there's the issue of South America. They're primarily of European descent, i.e., Spanish, Portuguese, German. They don't win because they're mostly out of sight of most Nobel vetters. It should change, but I ain't holdin' my breath. -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Christopher Leland Winks Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:36 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize How many people speak Chinese? Well then,. how many Nobel Laureates from China have there been? How many Latin Americans? (Not many.) How many Brazilians? How many from South Asia? How many from sub-Saharan Africa who don't happen to be white (so there go Lessing, Gordimer, and Coetzee)? How many Arabs? (Only Mahfouz.) Eurocentrism dies hard. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Jo Malo Date: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:45 pm Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Considering how few people in the world speak German, to have four > Germanophone laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich Boll, > Gunter Grass, Elfriede Jelinek, and Herta Muller -- seems excessive, > to put it mildly. (Christopher Leland Winks) > > The selection of 87% non-German speaking laureates isn't fair? > > Mary Jo Malo > -- > http://thisshiningwound.blogspot.com/ > http://apophisdeconstructingabsurdity.blogspot.com/ > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:31:11 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: 3 new white sky books In-Reply-To: <4ecf2c1e0910130406p1bf39071w535bb2dde6430ca5@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit astonishing. On 10/13/09 7:06 AM, "peter ganick" wrote: > Three new volumes from white sky books by Peter Ganick. check 'em out. > Originally written during 1994 and 1995, the texts show Ganick in a > different light. The texts are referential, somewhat lyrical, and freshly > reintroduced to readers. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:38:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <76B660CCBDF049E898FD0F1E65E8125B@JANUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Tagore (1913) wrote in Bengali. There have been a handgul of east asians, middle easterners, and Blsck Africans since, but only a handful. At 04:20 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: >Alfred Nobel was a European, and the prize and its criteria were fashioned >after European interests. I doubt a Chinese, Japanese, or Hindi speaker has >ever reviewed anything other than scientific journals written by Asians in >consideration for any of the Nobel prizes. Only the Peace prize, which >doesn't rely on anything written by the honoree has been awarded to anyone >with a non-European lineage. Then there's the issue of South America. >They're primarily of European descent, i.e., Spanish, Portuguese, German. >They don't win because they're mostly out of sight of most Nobel vetters. >It should change, but I ain't holdin' my breath. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >Behalf Of Christopher Leland Winks >Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:36 AM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > >How many people speak Chinese? Well then,. how many Nobel Laureates from >China have there been? How many Latin Americans? (Not many.) How many >Brazilians? How many from South Asia? How many from sub-Saharan Africa who >don't happen to be white (so there go Lessing, Gordimer, and Coetzee)? How >many Arabs? (Only Mahfouz.) > >Eurocentrism dies hard. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mary Jo Malo >Date: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:45 pm >Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > > Considering how few people in the world speak German, to have four > > Germanophone laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich Boll, > > Gunter Grass, Elfriede Jelinek, and Herta Muller -- seems excessive, > > to put it mildly. (Christopher Leland Winks) > > > > The selection of 87% non-German speaking laureates isn't fair? > > > > Mary Jo Malo > > -- > > http://thisshiningwound.blogspot.com/ > > http://apophisdeconstructingabsurdity.blogspot.com/ > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines >& sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). Forthcoming in November 2009. http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:30:57 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <5c20bbe426efad.4ad45806@mail.nyu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Christopher Leland Winks wrote: > How many people speak Chinese? Well then,. how many Nobel > Laureates from China have there been? How many Latin Americans? > (Not many.) How many Brazilians? How many from South Asia? How > many from sub-Saharan Africa who don't happen to be white (so there > go Lessing, Gordimer, and Coetzee)? How many Arabs? (Only Mahfouz.) > > Eurocentrism dies hard. > Oh, this is well-reasoned. And it applies to the other Nobel prizes as well. How many sub-Saharan Africans have won the Nobel prize for chemistry or physics? Or the other prizes. How many Russians have won the Academy Awards? George Bowering, esq. Not a morning kind of guy. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:49:56 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jesse Glass Subject: Hollerin From This Shack--Ahadada Books African American Series #1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This new, powerful Black voice is now available from Ahadada Books. The Hole I have gone into this hole many times. There's not much here except a matchbook and a burnt out light bulb. I do not think to throw out the light bulb, souvenir that it is. It reminds me of days I sat in a room that swelled with light, a room filled with dictionaries and encyclopedias I do not step into this room anymore only because I burned it down when I got tired of its brightness, too bright with knowledge that I could not absorb. And in that room dwell blackened words trapped within charred notebooks. Yet tonight I steal into that room, park Indian style, blind as a TV screen stacked with snow. From this shack, I seize matches, set 'em off, to refute the light bulb, refute night. Grace Ocasio Also, Anny Balladini's new Ekleksographia, and new e-chaps. www.ahadadabooks.com Take a look! Jesse ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:54:29 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <5c20bbe426efad.4ad45806@mail.nyu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed and eurocentrism includes americentrism, the cultures of the americas being europe-based cultures in their hierarchically imposed assumptions. gabe _Too Many Deaths: Decolonizing Western Academic Research on Indigenous Cultures_ www.greenmac.com/gabrielle On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Christopher Leland Winks wrote: > How many people speak Chinese? Well then,. how many Nobel Laureates > from China have there been? How many Latin Americans? (Not many.) > How many Brazilians? How many from South Asia? How many from > sub-Saharan Africa who don't happen to be white (so there go Lessing, > Gordimer, and Coetzee)? How many Arabs? (Only Mahfouz.) > > Eurocentrism dies hard. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary Jo Malo > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:45 pm > Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >> Considering how few people in the world speak German, to have four >> Germanophone laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich Boll, >> Gunter Grass, Elfriede Jelinek, and Herta Muller -- seems excessive, >> to put it mildly. (Christopher Leland Winks) >> >> The selection of 87% non-German speaking laureates isn't fair? >> >> Mary Jo Malo >> -- >> http://thisshiningwound.blogspot.com/ >> http://apophisdeconstructingabsurdity.blogspot.com/ >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:46:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: technical question Comments: To: gfrym@earthlink.net In-Reply-To: <4AD4DFE1.4000607@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To indicate that the setting was not a real shire but a fictional one. gb On Oct 13, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Gloria Frym wrote: > Does anyone know why many 19th century novelists use the > abbreviation, ---shire, instead of the full place name or a > fictional place name? > Thanks. > Gloria Frym > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html Georges Bowering, OC If you say so. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:56:47 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <59514.96205.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Cp0CMiUxiqPqpEkrCOMcnA)" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --Boundary_(ID_Cp0CMiUxiqPqpEkrCOMcnA) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT :-) i am an immigrant--from england--who had immigrant parents from england. my mom's mom was u.s.-ian--from cincinatti mixed with japan and china. i seriously see both the huge divide between the americas and europe and the huge similarities. best, g On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Mary Kasimor wrote: > Johanna, I appreciate your remarks. I do think that even for those who consider themselves liberal Americans, often there is a swagger to their talk. I also have an immigrant mom from Europe, and she has helped me look at all sides with compassion. I don't know if it is because she saw WWII, or if that is simply her nature. > > > --- On Tue, 10/13/09, Johanna Fisher wrote: > > > From: Johanna Fisher > Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 8:23 AM > > > The remarks to this forum over a writer who has given us all a glimpse into a part of the world that is only sensationalized by the media are rather telling as to why American writers do not win the Nobel Prize. Furthermore, there are many of us who do believe it a honour that merits respect. Eurocentrism is a rather heavy charge to launch against the academy. I consider myself European and often times critical of policies that come out governments that are not always sensitive to the poor, the disenfranchised and those who are minorities (and by the way I am a monority-my mother is European, my father was American), and yet I experienced a more open society than the one I am living in now, one that is unwilling to examine its deep seated prejudices-one that Americentric (if I may create a word here). I am very proud that a German woman is recognized by the academy for her work- we might also stop here to consider that finally women are being honoured > for their contributions. Alas, I am rambling, but I could not let these remarks go unanswered. > > jfisher > > ---- Original message ---- >> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:32:24 -0700 >> From: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" (on behalf of George Bowering ) >> Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> >> Interesting view. >> Maybe it is a USAmerican view, or a view from the country where most >> people like to say that they are in the middle class even though they >> might wear blue shirts (or teeshirts with insignia) to work at a >> metalwork shoppe. >> So that in the US the word "minority" means the less-privileged? >> Irt doesn't mean that everywhere. >> For example, in the 19th-20th Century the Swedish-speaking minority >> in Finland tended to be intellectual, artist and other well-off class. >> Remember that Idi Amin kicked the Indian minority out of Uganda >> because he perceived them as financially better off than Africans. >> The white minorities in various African countries didn't compare >> themselves with Gypsies, etc. >> >> gb >> >> >> On Oct 12, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Maria Damon wrote: >> >>> also, it's a little peculiar that she's a "minority" in the sense >>> of being a relatively privileged German speaker in Romania. Not a >>> "minority" as the Romany (gypsy) people are. >>> >>> Jeffrey Side wrote: >>>> I agree. But who really takes the Nobel seriously anymore? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:10:02 -0400, Christopher Leland Winks >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'm sure Herta Mueller is as wonderful a writer as everyone says, >>>>> but >>>> doesn't the chronic Eurocentrism -- and allergy to poets, much of >>>> the time -- of the Nobel jury bother anyone on the list?   >>>> Considering how few people in the world speak German, to have four >>>> Germanophone laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich >>>> Boll, Gunter Grass, Elfriede Jelinek, and Herta Muller -- seems >>>> excessive, to put it mildly. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Alison Croggon >>>>> Date: Friday, October 9, 2009 10:37 am >>>>> Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize >>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Seconded. She a wonderful writer. >>>>>>    xA >>>>>>    On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:41 AM, jesseca >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>  > OMG, The Land of Green Plums is amazing! Even in translation! >>>> Very >>>>>> much a >>>>>>  > poet's novel. Highly recommended! >>>>>>  > >>>>>>  > amy king wrote: >>>>>>  >> >>>>>>  >> STOCKHOLM—Herta Mueller, a little-known Romanian-born >>>> author who >>>>>> was >>>>>>  >> persecuted for her critical depictions of life behind the >>>>>> Iron Curtain, won >>>>>>  >> the 2009 Nobel Prize in literature Thursday in an award seen as >>>> a >>>>>> nod to the >>>>>>  >> 20th anniversary of communism's collapse. >>>>>>  >> >>>>>>  >> http://www.contracostatimes.com/nation-world/ci_13513339 >>>>>>  >> >>>>>>  >> >>>>>>  >> >>>>>>  >> _______ >>>>>>  >> >>>>>>  >> NEW BOOK >>>>>>  >> >>>>>>  >> Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk- >>>>>> >>>> ak3.htm -- >>>>>> For a >>>>>>  >> review copy, please email me directly. >>>>>>  >> >>>>>>  >> >>>>>>  >> >>>>>>  >> ================================== >>>>>>  >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. >>>> Check >>>> >>>>>>  >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>>>>  >> >>>>>>  >> >>>>>>  > >>>>>>  > ================================== >>>>>>  > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines >>>> >>>>>>  > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>>  > >>>>>>     -- Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au >>>>>>  Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com >>>>>>  Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com >>>>>>    ================================== >>>>>>  The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. >>>>>> Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>>> welcome.html >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>>> welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>> welcome.html >> >> The Bowering fellow. >> Thinks any weather is better than none. >> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html --Boundary_(ID_Cp0CMiUxiqPqpEkrCOMcnA)-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:27:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: charles alexander Subject: Joel Bettridge's PRESOCRATIC BLUES Comments: To: pogdirs@googlegroups.com, pog@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed For a quick take on the latest Chax Press book, check out Mark Scroggins's blog entry on PRESOCRATIC BLUES by Joel Bettridge: http://kulturindustrie.blogspot.com/ and while you're at it, visit http://chax.org and have a look at ta(l)king eyes, by Jacque Brogan, and other recent books from Chax Press. There will be more to come there, with updates and additions of 3 new books expected within a week. Also, Chax Press & VOICES, Inc. (a Tucson based youth literacy, education, and empowerment organization) are sharing a benefit fundraiser on Oct 30, 7pm, at The Rogue Theatre, 300 E. University Blvd in Tucson. All tickets are $10, available by phone from Chax Press (520-620-1626) or at Bentley's House of Coffee & Tea, or Antigone Books in Tucson. The event features new books and readings by LINH DINH, STEPHANIE BALZER, and JONATHAN ROTHSCHILD. Linh Dinh's new book from Chax Press (one of those we will add to the web site within the week) is SOME KIND OF CHEESE ORGY ($16). Jonathan Rothschild's first book, THE LAST CLUBHOUSE EULOGY ($15) is similarly new from Chax Press. Stephanie Balzer has two forthcoming chapbooks -- one from Kore Press and one from CUE Editions (all presses in Tucson). If you can be in Tucson and attend, HOORAY! If you can't, please consider buying one or more tickets and allowing us to give them away to a deserving student or poet who could not otherwise attend. You could make that contribution toward tickets at http://chax.org/donate.htm -- and just let us know that you intend it for a ticket purchase either for yourself or to be given away to a deserving poetry lover. Best wishes to all! Chax Press 411 N 7th Ave Suite 103 Tucson, AZ 85705-8388 520-620-1626 (Chax Press) 520-275-4330 (cell) chax@theriver.com http://chax.org presenting: Linh Dinh, Stephanie Balzer, and Jonathan Rothschild on Oct 30, 2009 Jane Sprague & Kate Greenstreet on Nov 4, 2009 Ron Silliman & Marilyn Crispell (piano) on Jan 30, 2010 A Chax Press Reading at AWP, Denver, April 2010 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:28:53 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: carol dorf Subject: Re: This is What a (Pro)Feminist [Man Poet] Looks Like In-Reply-To: <885067.447.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I liked the Les Figues writers commenting on each other. I'm also happy that (Pro)Feminist men are writing. Some feminism is Ann the electrician with her job uphill at the University lending tools to Masha who teaches math at the high school. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:41 AM, amy king wrote: > In May 2009, Danielle Pafunda curated the first installment of Delirious > Hem's This is What a Feminist [Poet] Looks Like. This forum featured women > discussing the relationship between their feminism & their poetry, and these > contributions elicited thoughtful responses from women & men bloggers > alike. Mark Wallace was one of those bloggers. Together, we've > curated This is What a (Pro)Feminist [Man Poet] Looks Like. We hope you'll > visit, read, comment, & enjoy! > Monday October 5: Brian Teare, Christian Peet, & H.L. HixTuesday October > 6: Hugh Behm-Steinberg, Kareem Estefan, & Kevin Simmonds Wednesday October > 7: Mark Wallace, Mike Hauser, & Nate Pritts Thursday October 8: Philip > Jenks, Tim Atkins, & Tony FrazerFriday October 9: Tony Trigilio, David Lau & > Rodrigo Toscano > Upcoming Forums: > November: This is What a Feminist [Poet] Looks Like, 2 > December: 2009 Advent Kalendar (check out 2008's!) > Delirious Hem -- http://delirioushem.blogspot.com/2009_05_03_archive.html > Delirious Lapel -- http://www.deliriouslapel.blogspot.com/ > > > > _______ > > NEW BOOK > > Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm -- For a > review copy, please email me directly. > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:20:49 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: 50 years behind & other such... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I remember a time when oranges were at least 53 years behind watermelons. Eventually they surpassed the melon and are now the most innovative fruit in the biz. On the other hand, when i read or scan certain graphic novels, i then to agree with Chirot. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:50:28 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Martin Richet Subject: Lyn Hejinian, Gesualdo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vient de para=C3=AEtre=C2=A0Gesualdode Lyn Hejinian=C2=A0traduit de l'am=C3= =A9ricain par Martin Richet=C2=A0Eric Pesty EditeurJacataqua n=C2=B002=C2= =A022 x 14 cm,16 pages,9 euros=C2=A0ISBN :=C2=A0978-2-917786-04-8=C2=A0Pour= toute commande ou demande d'information :=C2=A0Eric Pesty Editeur10, rue d= es Mauvestis13002 Marseillehttp://www.ericpestyediteur.com/=C2=A0=C2=A0Note= de l'=C3=A9diteur=C2=A0Quatri=C3=A8me livre de Lyn Hejinian, paru initiale= ment sous la forme=C2=A0d'un chapbook chez Tuumba en 1978 et repris, en une= version remani=C3=A9e, dans=C2=A0The Cold of Poetry=C2=A0(Sun & Moon Press= , 1994),=C2=A0Gesualdo=C2=A0prend pr=C3=A9texte de la hardiesse harmonique = et de la vie tumultueuse du compositeur italien=C2=A0(1566-1613)=C2=A0pour = =C3=A9laborer une po=C3=A9tique originale, r=C3=A9invention singuli=C3=A8re= d'un=C2=A0=C2=AB=C2=A0style coup=C3=A9=C2=A0=C2=BB, o=C3=B9 le texte=C2=A0= parvient =C3=A0 int=C3=A9rioriser aussi bien la dimension biographique et m= usicale que, techniquement, le mani=C3=A9risme dissonant du ma=C3=AEtre ita= lien.=C2=A0=C2=A0Avec la grande exactitude qu'on lui conna=C3=AEt, la tradu= ction Martin Richet rend compte des enjeux imbriqu=C3=A9s du texte :=C2=A0=C2=AB=C2=A0Le conce= pt de style comme cr=C3=A9ation personnelle volontaire est con=C3=A7u pour = une exigence nouvelle. Ma conscience est urgente. Contrastent g=C3=A9nie et= dur=C3=A9e.=C2=A0=C2=BB=C2=A0On notera encore que=C2=A0Gesualdo=C2=A0de Ly= n Hejinian a servi de matrice structurelle et syntaxique au tr=C3=A8s beau = livre de Rosmarie Waldrop intitul=C3=A9=C2=A0Differences for Four Hands=C2= =A0(Diff=C3=A9rences =C3=A0 quatre mains, trad. Paol Keineg, Spectres famil= iers, 1989).=C2=A0Le livre que nous publions, compos=C3=A9 au plomb, a =C3= =A9t=C3=A9 imprim=C3=A9 sur les presses de Harpo & =C3=A0 Corbi=C3=A8res du= rant l'=C3=A9t=C3=A9 2009.=C2=A0=C2=A0N=C3=A9e en 1941 =C3=A0 San Francisco= , Lyn Hejinian est l'auteur d'une douzaine de livres de po=C3=A9sie et de n= ombreux essais, ainsi que deux volumes de traduction de l'auteur russe Arka= dii Dragomoshchenko. Lyn Hejinian est couramment associ=C3=A9e au mouvement= =C2=A0language.=C2=A0Entre 1976 et 1984 elle a dirig=C3=A9 les =C3=A9dition= s Tuumba (50 chapbooks imprim=C3=A9s au plomb par l'=C3=A9ditrice entre ces= deux dates =E2=80=93 une nouvelle s=C3=A9rie de 8 titres, imprim=C3=A9s en offs= et, a vu le jour depuis 1999) ; de 1981 =C3=A0 1999 elle anime la revue=C2= =A0Poetics Journal=C2=A0avec Barrett Watten ; depuis 1995 elle co-dirige, a= vec=C2=A0Travis Ortiz, le projet Atelos Press. Dans la m=C3=AAme collection : Clark Coolidge,=C2=A0Polaro=C3=AFd, traduit et lu par Eric PestyMich=C3=A8l= e Cohen-Halimi,=C2=A0FigurenPhilippe Grand,=C2=A0TDMAnne Parian,=C2=A0une L= igneClaude Royet-Journoud,=C2=A0KardiaDoroth=C3=A9e Volut,=C2=A0AlphabetEmm= anuel Fournier=C2=A0=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:16:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mirela Roznovschi Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <9778b8630910131124j1cf12631he5a15d05aa0b1ffa@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Valery Oisteanu=3A Let=92s hear it for the Nobel women! http=3A//vetiver=2Eweblog=2Ero/2009-10-13/974237/Valery-Oisteanu=253A-Le= t=25E2=2580=2599s-hear-it-for-the-Nobel-women=2521=2Ehtml = ----- Original Message ----- From=3A Ryan Daley =3Crcdaley=40GMAIL=2ECOM=3E Date=3A Tuesday=2C October 13=2C 2009 2=3A55 pm Subject=3A Re=3A Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize To=3A POETICS=40LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU =3E =22I consider myself European=2E=22 =3E = =3E But ARE you=3F =3E = =3E I would also like to point out that you=27re referencing ONE person= on = =3E a =3E LISTSERV of around 2000 people=2C a LISTSERV based in a country of = 300 =3E million+=2E To say that the opinions on one person on this list are= =3E representative of anything near unanimity is dead wrong=2E =3E = =3E On Tue=2C Oct 13=2C 2009 at 9=3A23 AM=2C Johanna Fisher =3Cfisherj=40= canisius=2Eedu=3Ewrote=3A =3E = =3E =3E The remarks to this forum over a writer who has given us all a = =3E glimpse into =3E =3E a part of the world that is only sensationalized by the media a= re rather =3E =3E telling as to why American writers do not win the Nobel Prize=2E= Furthermore=2C =3E =3E there are many of us who do believe it a honour that merits res= pect=2E =3E =3E Eurocentrism is a rather heavy charge to launch against the = =3E academy=2E I =3E =3E consider myself European and often times critical of policies t= hat = =3E come out =3E =3E governments that are not always sensitive to the poor=2C the di= senfranchised =3E =3E and those who are minorities (and by the way I am a monority-my= = =3E mother is =3E =3E European=2C my father was American)=2C and yet I experienced a = more = =3E open society =3E =3E than the one I am living in now=2C one that is unwilling to exa= mine = =3E its deep =3E =3E seated prejudices-one that Americentric (if I may create a word= = =3E here)=2E I am =3E =3E very proud that a German woman is recognized by the academy for= her = =3E work- we =3E =3E might also stop here to consider that finally women are being = =3E honoured for =3E =3E their contributions=2E Alas=2C I am rambling=2C but I could not= let these = =3E remarks =3E =3E go unanswered=2E =3E =3E =3E =3E jfisher =3E =3E =3E =3E ---- Original message ---- =3E =3E =3EDate=3A Mon=2C 12 Oct 2009 15=3A32=3A24 -0700 =3E =3E =3EFrom=3A =22Poetics List (UPenn=2C UB)=22 =3CPOETICS=40LISTSE= RV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU=3E (on =3E =3E behalf of George Bowering =3Cbowering=40SFU=2ECA=3E) =3E =3E =3ESubject=3A Re=3A Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature pr= ize =3E =3E =3ETo=3A POETICS=40LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3EInteresting view=2E =3E =3E =3EMaybe it is a USAmerican view=2C or a view from the country = where most =3E =3E =3Epeople like to say that they are in the middle class even th= ough they =3E =3E =3Emight wear blue shirts (or teeshirts with insignia) to work = at a =3E =3E =3Emetalwork shoppe=2E =3E =3E =3ESo that in the US the word =22minority=22 means the less-pri= vileged=3F =3E =3E =3EIrt doesn=27t mean that everywhere=2E =3E =3E =3EFor example=2C in the 19th-20th Century the Swedish-speaking= minority =3E =3E =3Ein Finland tended to be intellectual=2C artist and other wel= l-off class=2E =3E =3E =3ERemember that Idi Amin kicked the Indian minority out of Uga= nda =3E =3E =3Ebecause he perceived them as financially better off than Afr= icans=2E =3E =3E =3EThe white minorities in various African countries didn=27t c= ompare =3E =3E =3Ethemselves with Gypsies=2C etc=2E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3Egb =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3EOn Oct 12=2C 2009=2C at 3=3A10 PM=2C Maria Damon wrote=3A =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E=3E also=2C it=27s a little peculiar that she=27s a =22minor= ity=22 in the sense =3E =3E =3E=3E of being a relatively privileged German speaker in Roman= ia=2E Not = =3E a =3E =3E =3E=3E =22minority=22 as the Romany (gypsy) people are=2E =3E =3E =3E=3E =3E =3E =3E=3E Jeffrey Side wrote=3A =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E I agree=2E But who really takes the Nobel seriously a= nymore=3F =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E On Fri=2C 9 Oct 2009 13=3A10=3A02 -0400=2C Christophe= r Leland Winks =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E =3Cclw2067=40NYU=2EEDU=3E wrote=3A =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E I=27m sure Herta Mueller is as wonderful a writer = as everyone says=2C =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E but =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E doesn=27t the chronic Eurocentrism -- and allergy to = poets=2C much = =3E of =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E the time -- of the Nobel jury bother anyone on the li= st=3F =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E Considering how few people in the world speak German=2C= to have four =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E Germanophone laureates within the past 30-some years = -- Heinrich =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E Boll=2C Gunter Grass=2C Elfriede Jelinek=2C and Herta= Muller -- seems =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E excessive=2C to put it mildly=2E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E ----- Original Message ----- =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E From=3A Alison Croggon =3Cajcroggon=40GMAIL=2ECOM=3E= =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E Date=3A Friday=2C October 9=2C 2009 10=3A37 am =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E Subject=3A Re=3A Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel lit= erature prize =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E To=3A POETICS=40LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E Seconded=2E She a wonderful writer=2E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E xA =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E On Fri=2C Oct 9=2C 2009 at 2=3A41 AM=2C jesse= ca =3Cjesseca=40gmail=2Ecom=3E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E wrote=3A =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E =3E OMG=2C The Land of Green Plums is amazing!= Even in translation! =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E Very =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E much a =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E =3E poet=27s novel=2E Highly recommended! =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E =3E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E =3E amy king wrote=3A =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E =3E=3E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E =3E=3E STOCKHOLM=E2=80=94Herta Mueller=2C a li= ttle-known Romanian-born =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E author who =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E was =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E =3E=3E persecuted for her critical depictions = of life behind the =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E Iron Curtain=2C won =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E =3E=3E the 2009 Nobel Prize in literature Thur= sday in an award = =3E seen as =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E a =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E nod to the =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E =3E=3E 20th anniversary of communism=27s colla= pse=2E =3E =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E=3E =3E=3E =3E 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:38:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: NYT Federman obit In-Reply-To: <558995.70981.qm@web33406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for this. I'm not sure why his fiction is considered difficult; I found it quite lucid, direct, and honest. He had such great energy. richard owens wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/books/13federman.html?hpw > > ........richard owens > 810 richmond ave > buffalo NY 14222-1167 > > damn the caesars, the journal > damn the caesars, the blog > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:43:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Wheeler Subject: Seeking Art & Poetry Submissions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Gov't Issue is currently seeking poetry, essays, and artwork. Please send= all materials to govt.issue@gmail.com=20 Government Issue publishes a selection of reprints, found pieces, lyric prose, art, reviews, and interviews. Founded in Philadelphia in October 2008, it is the bellwether for American lives after the economic collapse= . =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:49:36 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Feed my fish with your mouse Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Just found this blog, that has animated fish swimming about. If you=20 click your mouse in the box they appear in little bits of black food will= =20 appear and the fish will swim to eat and eat it. Very realistic. http://carmenisacat.blogspot.com/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:53:03 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christophe Casamassima Subject: Zukofsky lines Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 I'm looking for lines from "A" or other poems that begin with the letter "Z" If anyone knows or has the time to look, please advise... Christophe --=20 Powered By Outblaze =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:01:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: Re: Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: <5EC353BC-9ED1-4013-B275-235B550EB77F@mdo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Phillip Meersman: There is no fixed definition of Visual Poetry, nor delimitation of its boundaries. There are as many definitions or limits of what is considered Visual Poetry as there are serious Visual Poets. Much also depends on the period which is assigned by the Visual Poet as the "beginnings of Visual Poetry." For many, the "Modern Visual Poetry" if not what is considered Western Visual Poetry, begins with Mallarme's "Un Coup de des;" for others it is the earliest Cave Paintings and Petroglyphs. One may indeed think of Visual--and Sound--Poetires and thier realtive Mail Art--as continually changing and devloping its own defintions and boundaries via the introductions more and more frequnet of new technlogies with which to create the works. Often the writings "about" or "on" Visual Poetry for themost part tend to be a little bit "behind" some of the emerging examples in a way which is very productive in that things are not immediately seized on and classified, marketed in the same way they may be in Poetry and Poetics for example. Conversely, because the Past in Visual Poetry is often as little or unknown as the present and Future, elements of the Past whether anicent or recent are continaully reappearing in different contexts and combinations and at times becoming al over again large "rivers" o, if more a trendy detour, smaller "tributaries." Currently there is a revival of interest/discovery of interstin the large area of Asemic Writing, which itself has a istory and examples, figues which need to be investigated and understood in new ways, or simply found for the first time no matter their agein time. Tis is perhaps more common in Visual and Sound Poetries than in ,say, poetry, as there has been on the whole such an ignorance of Visual poetry and Sound Poetry through time despite someof the greatest arits/poetsof the 20th century being creatorsin these areas. One of the great strengths--and perhaps for non Visual Poets, one of the "weaknesses"--is precisely this heterogeneity of definitions, circumferences, beginnings etc. Despite various efforts to centralize or rein in Visual Poetry under a few rubrics, the movements of Visual Poet are horizontal and rhizomatic-- and in this way more elusive of the hierarchical, vertical "Tree" structuring of knowledge as Delueze and Guattari would say, and more productive in the rhizomatic non-centralized movements and directions. The best way to learn of Visual Poetry is from--who else--??--!!--Visual Poets, whose works and writings, histories and ideas may be found at a great many sites on line, as wel as spread out through various blogs and lists on line and many books, anthologies and journals in print and out of print through time.. There are also continually exhibitions of Visual Poetry throughout the world as well as those which combine Mail Art and Visual Poetry. These Calls will have some information regarding their themes and their own web and "real world" addresses which help give snap shots of current interests of the Visual Poetry/Mail Art international communities as wel as those within certain geographical or linguistic areas. (The liberation of the Catalan language, for example, after long suppression under Franco, has aided in the explosion of a great deal of work in that language and in the Catalan region of Spain. historically there have been many great Visual Poets from this area, their works often too little known outside of their immediate areas, though more recently ever more especially among Latin language countries and peoples.) If you would like back channel i can send you a listing of many of the blogs, web sites, places to find further information, on line anthologies etc--for starters an excellent one in English is the Light and Dust web site; also there are the site called Boek 861 which has a great amount of materials in Spanish with most translated into English if not originally in English. There are historical theoretical Visual, Sonic texts and superb essays at both Light and Dust and Boek 861. There are also Vortice Argentina and several new sites with great materials in Russian and Serb languages with many amazing examples and increasingly some English language texts and examples for example. You wil find perusing the blogs that there is a huge range of ideas re what is Visual Poetry, and ways of making it, and methods, historical examples, controversies and the like. Most good Visual Poetry blogs and sites have a wide range of links to others--for example there is geof Huth's dbqp, Crag Hill's Scorecard, with links to a huge number of others including my own. There is also a site called Vispoets.com at which there are literally thousands of works by hundreds of Visual Poets from the world round. For an elist which has frequent discussion and projects of Visual Poetry in English there is spidertangle@yahoogroups.com On you tube and at the UbuWerb you will find a huge number of historical and contemporary Visual Poetry events, videos, documentaries, recordings of sonic performance of visual poetry scores, interviews etc. The great Uruguayan Visual/Sound Poet Clemente Padin for example has not only a huge number of writings and Visual Works on line, but also a great number of performances which continue to appear several times a year. And Clemente is but one of an increasingly large number of Visual Poets who are finding ways to utilise the new technologies. Historically, Visual Poetry has developed and found a wider audience each time a new technology capable of reproducing words and images or words arranged in unconventional (previously) arrangements appears. The printing press, the typewriter, the X-ray, the photograph, the film the video, the telegraph, the variety of copiers which have appeared, al these have had great influences on both the reception of Visual Poetry and its methods and examples. There is a huge research for example taking place continually now in what is possible with digital technologies in the making of Visual/Sound Poetries. The tape recorder from the heavy duty reel to reel to the latest digital machines for example have had a continual influence n changes in Sound Poetry, as well as influencing in turn the notations for Sound Poetry, which are Visual Scores of an incredibly wide Variety. As an introduction in English the best site I can recommend is Karl Young's Light and Dust, as Karl covers not only Western but also Asian and Moslem calligraphers and Visual poetries at his site. He has some great essays of his own but also essays and complete larger texts by a wider range of Visual Pots working at different times in different materials and with differing methods. For example, you'll find three areas which have influenced myself alot--the Russian Zaum Visual/Sonic poetires, the examples from Lettrisme and those from Latin America as wel as the Visual/Sound Works of bpNichol, the Visual Works of da levy & of the American poet Robert Grenier, whose work investigates an area which one cal or not Visual Poetry but is the Visual essaying of a language in which the words are literally the things. There is also Mayan Visual Poetry Language and much much else; each of these directions you can then find a huge number of more examples on line and in print. Also to remember when beginning to learn of Visual Poetry is that each artist, essayist, historian may or does have their own particular point of view or even agenda to correspond with their point of view, of what Visual Poetry is/isn't/should be/was/may be in future. Rather than trying to take one or other as THE centralized Capital of knowlelge or as THE authority it is best to keep all of the view points in mind as after al then the "View" or "scene" of Visual Poetry will expose itself in al its great variety, colors, sounds, ideas, semantics, linguistic orientations and its explorations continually of new technologies as well as of the most ancient. (A lot of my work is done with the oldest forms of copying--"rubBEings" and clay impression paintings--the most ancient and most childlike of the methods--which can be internationally exhibited via the latest in technologies--another example of Visual Poetries carrying within them at once the most ancient of their origins so called whether in Mallarme or the Caves, and making use always immediately of any new technology.) As i wrote, i can send you backchannel some lists of addresses sites etc--each one of which has its own links, examples, ideas and each of those more in turn--) Many Mail Art sites also carry a great deal of information and examples of Visual and Sound, Performance and Event Poetries. Often there is the phrase in one form or another re Visual Poetry to the effect of VisiVociVerbal , But one can extend it really to what i cal Visual-Sonic-Visceral as a lot of Visual Poetry is meant to be performed, not simply "seen" or "read" alone, nor simply "heard" either. Much work demands, "calls for"literally and figuratively, a Visceral, choreographic response. You'll find this approach writen of and reperesnted often via photos, scores, recordings, videos etc at more and more sites today-- (The great English Visual/Sound/Verbal/Performance poet and editor Bob Cobbing worked very much across al these areas simultaneously, which enabled him to use anything as a score--not simply letters and words but the lines, textures of the surfaces of a stone held in the hand for example, or we used to perform sidewalk cracks as "texts" for visceral poetry-- Cobbing also edited many great anthologies of Visual and Sound Poetries and one of the greatest historical volumes, in company with the German poet Peter mayer; these can be found in the rare Books collections or in some libraries themselves--One anthology made not long before Bob's death includes the word "Choreography" very specifically in the title along with the VerbiVisisVoci types of examples-- Karl Young at his Light and Dust site has a classic essay on this aspect of Visual poetry--"Notation and the Art of Reading"-- Denis Charmot, for example, a French site a huge number of links and texts in both directions. There are the blogs such Gianni Simone's, Luc Fiernes, Guido Vermeulen etc etc etc--so many!--Whether or not you can read any or one of the Romance languages, these are a great help as vast amounts of writings on line are especially in Spanish but also French, Italian, Portuguese, Brazilian Portuguese and Catalan. (Actually i learned a lot of Spanish and Portuguese from reading these sites through time, another benefit of the Mail Art/Visual Poetry.) I think the only way to understand the definitions of Visual Poetry--which i think of as myriad and in flux also --along with the "extreme borders" which also may vary with developments as well, is to study as many examples, essays, performances recordings as one is able to --i know there's time limits etc!- simply because with so many differing ideas and points of view, is best to oneself "bear these in mind" oneself while thinking through what to oneslef may be the "most striking features" and so forth towards definitions limits and the like--which in a way, personally i think of as provisional--for better or worse--but then working in an area one really prefers for oneself at any rate feels "more room to move" when there are "fewer boundaries, walls, definitions, identity papieren und so weiter . . . or what Robert Smithson called cultural confinement--" For example, in re "extremes" and "limits"--the artist/poet/critic jw curry wrote that Bob Cobbing and i were at the "extreme edge" of what is called "Dirty" Visual Poetry, which curry called the "Quick'n'Dirty School"--that is, that the dirtiness of the materials is part of the actual images and sounds themselves in contradistinction to the clean lines and neat appearances of most Visual Poetry. (Which is further emphasized in good part at this time by the use of digital technologies as opposed to say those which lend themelves to some smudginess--) The Dirty means in part the inclusion and uses of, treatment as, al elements within a Visual/Sonic/Visceral Field as being 'language" and expression/communication. This dispenses with the need for letters let alone words, with the forms themselves being the notations, or the colors, or the interactions among these--in this manner the accident is as much as the intentional an aspect of the work's movements and directions as a poetic action score--a movement and direction which one "feels" viscerally as wel as emotionally/spiritually/intellectually. in this way the "dirtiness even of letterings and words which do appear are components which are --ARE-- really the letter, rather than "additions" or "accidental inclusions or smudges"-- Right there is an element of discussion/controversy for some Visual Poets--what is the limit or extreme--the letter, a fragment of a letter--or a word--a morpheme--or simply the disappearance of these into the chaos from which they wil again emerge as something else or Other via negentropy. (A lot of my works are re the vanishing and altering of letters, words through time vby weather, war, fires insects, vegetation growths, rusts and etc--and, often, out of these emerging "new languages"--) So right there is an example of the question of limits, which among Visual Poets themselves is a question which is not a "settled" or "fixed" one, but perhaps one which may have a majority consensus on the one hand and a great variety of other responses and examples also, which are limited to smaller numbers of Visual poets-- I hope this may be of use-and forgve my using my works at times as examples; it is because i hesitate to paraphrase or define the works of others that you may not yet know. I don't want to create "images/ideas ahead of time" as much as possible! besides what i say of my own work may not be "apparent"--who knows1 i the works themselves, which may after all "tell a different tale' than the one who thought he knew--presumed to know as Foucault would say, that character known as old Mr Know it all!--whom one knows oneself certainly not to be for sure- philip.meersman@GMAIL.COM 10/08/09 3:22 PM >>> >>>>> >>>> Hi all,I'm starting to work on a bachelor paper at the Free University >> in >> Brussels where I follow Art Sciences and Archaeology. >> I'm concentrating on the contemporary arts and my research is directed to >> finding a workable definition of Visual Poetry and what the extreme = >> borders >> are of Visual Poetry. >> >> If you could help me in looking for what you think a good definition is of >> Visual Poetry and where does Visual Poetry start and where does it stop? >> >> >> Thank you in advance, >> >> Philip >> >> >> >> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:44:25 -0400 >> From: Ruth Lepson >> Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders >> >> hi philip it was fun to be on the biennale webcam with you. >> haven't seen it but there is a show of visual poetry from the new oxford >> book of latin am poetry--curated by cecilia vicuna--it's at a gallery in >> NY--maybe some on this list have seen it. >> >> >>> >> >> -------------------------- >> >> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:46:12 -0400 >> From: David Seaman >> Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders >> >> Philip,=20 >> >> This is my area of speciality, so let's keep in touch. I have a lot to say >> = >> on the subject, maybe on another channel? ? >> >> David Seaman >> >> David W. Seaman, Ph.D. >> http://personal.georgiasouthern.edu/~dseaman/Welcome.html >> >> =20 >> On Thursday, October 08, 2009, at 03:22PM, "Philip Meersman" >> > an@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >> >>> Hi all,I'm starting to work on a bachelor paper at the Free University in >>> Brussels where I follow Art Sciences and Archaeology. >>> I'm concentrating on the contemporary arts and my research is directed to >>> finding a workable definition of Visual Poetry and what the extreme >>> border= >>> >> s >> >>> are of Visual Poetry. >>> >>> If you could help me in looking for what you think a good definition is >>> of >>> Visual Poetry and where does Visual Poetry start and where does it stop? >>> >>> >>> Thank you in advance, >>> >>> Philip >>> >>> >>>>> >> >> >> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:54:08 -0500 >> From: mIEKAL aND >> Subject: Re: Visual poetry: seeking definitions and borders >> >> Ah shucks David, we're all ears. I'm interested in what you would say. >> >> ~mIEKAL >> >> >> On Oct 11, 2009, at 10:46 PM, David Seaman wrote: >> >> Philip, >>> >>> This is my area of speciality, so let's keep in touch. I have a lot >>> to say on the subject, maybe on another channel? ? >>> >>> David Seaman >>> >>> David W. Seaman, Ph.D. >>> http://personal.georgiasouthern.edu/~dseaman/Welcome.html >>> >>> >> >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:12:23 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: lily robert-foley Subject: Re: Visual Poetry Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Dear Philip, I've been following the discussion a bit about visual and concrete poetry. = I sometimes work in that medium=97not because there is something special a= bout visual poetry that attracts me but rather because of my theoretical in= terests, or perhaps my methodological ones. I happened upon visual poetry = (making it), very young, before I knew there were other people doing anythi= ng like it besides Apollinaire and Oulipo and it happened rather out of a m= otivation towards expression (or towards undoing expression) than towards a= n aesthetic elan so to speak. I can't speak for all visual poets, but I do think something that is someti= mes shared among visual poets is the interest to undo or redo language and = the way it expresses. Language=97in traditional linguistics and philosophy= , and even in literature=97is often seen has having a kind of "top-side" an= d "underside" or an "inside" and an "outside" or "form" and "content" or wh= at have you. This can be theorized in many ways (and with many different= kinds of vocabulary over the years) but I suppose the way I usually think = about it (you're probably familiar with these ideas and I hope I'm not insu= lting you by reiterating them) is that you have the word or the phrase or t= he letter or whatever "unit" of language you're working with (sometimes vis= ual poets work with uncommon "units" too, or non-units, ha) and then you ha= ve whatever it refers to. And so language is split. A part of it is tangi= ble and a part of it is not: a part of it present, and a part absent. Sa= ussure would call this signifier and signified, but when it comes to poetry= that terminology I believe is severely limited (especially as far as visua= l poetry is concerned). I also think this idea is often present in the stu= dy of "poetics" whatever that is.=20=20 I think visual poetry often expresses an interest in making poetry with the= materiality of language, both or sometimes as a way of moving the medium o= f language closer to something material, like paint, or clay, but also some= times as a way of unveiling or experimenting with the ways that "expression= " and "material" may be conceived as happening in the same gesture, and in = a way enact very literally an undoing of this dichotomy within language tha= t is more than a little problematic and probably is not a very accurate way= of understanding language scientifically (among other things). And experi= menting with language in other ways too of course.=20=20 I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I started doing visual poetry not = only as a way of making new poetry but also as a way of understanding langu= age in a new way, and this may be something common with other visual poets = (although perhaps not all).=20=20 Feel free to email me if you want to talk more about this: lilyrobertfoley= @graffiti.net. I am at University of Paris 8 doing a doctorate in literatu= re on Beckett, Bolano and Derrida, so it could be interesting to be in cont= act.=20=20 Thanks, Lily --=20 Powered By Outblaze =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:44:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: susan maurer Subject: Correction: Carragon and Maurer to read at 6pm on 11-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The venue has changed the date of the Patricia Carragon and Susan Maurer re= ading to 11-15 at 6pm=2C The American Theatre of Actors. Susan Maurer = =20 _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:06:29 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Paul Siegell Subject: Bookslut's "Indie Heartthrob"... yours for the raging Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi,=20 Ever start an old tape on Side B? * With huge thanks to John Zuarino, check out Bookslut's "Indie Heartthro= b" this week > http://www.bookslut.com/blog/archives/2009_10.php#015261 * Plus, up on Belinda Subraman=92s Gypsy Art Show, jambandbootleg is =93y= ours for the raging=94 > http://bit.ly/10ABbn I hope this note has found you and yours well. Thanks for taking a look! yours, paul> http://paulsiegell.blogspot.com/ _ the books: http://bit.ly/1A0fPV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:27:05 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christopher Leland Winks Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <7C37FFF9-2E6C-4D7E-8FF5-343CDEF63066@sfu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Mr. Bowering, on this particular slippery slope, you're one step short of (overrated Nobel laureate) Saul Bellow's "Show me the Zulu Tolstoy!" In any case, I bet there have been some Russian films that have won Best Foreign Picture in the Academy Awards. And are you saying, "Well, these Africans, they just lack skills in chemistry, otherwise they would SURELY, in the objective world of the Nobel Committtees and the level playing field from which these committees operate, have cleaned up on the prize front ages ago"? Interesting how some other comments have claimed the status of oppressed group based on their European ancestry. Maybe they should read "Discourse on Colonialism" by a great poet who (probably because of this text) never won the Nobel. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Bowering Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:19 pm Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Christopher Leland Winks wrote: > > > How many people speak Chinese? Well then,. how many Nobel > > Laureates from China have there been? How many Latin Americans? > > > (Not many.) How many Brazilians? How many from South Asia? How > > > many from sub-Saharan Africa who don't happen to be white (so there > > > go Lessing, Gordimer, and Coetzee)? How many Arabs? (Only Mahfouz.) > > > > Eurocentrism dies hard. > > > Oh, this is well-reasoned. > And it applies to the other Nobel prizes as well. > How many sub-Saharan Africans have won the Nobel prize for chemistry > > or physics? > > Or the other prizes. > How many Russians have won the Academy Awards? > > > > George Bowering, esq. > Not a morning kind of guy. > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:07:53 -0700 Reply-To: gfrym@earthlink.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: technical question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks all! George Bowering wrote: > To indicate that the setting was not a real shire but a fictional one. > > gb > > On Oct 13, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Gloria Frym wrote: > >> Does anyone know why many 19th century novelists use the >> abbreviation, ---shire, instead of the full place name or a >> fictional place name? >> Thanks. >> Gloria Frym >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > Georges Bowering, OC > If you say so. > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.13/2432 - Release Date: 10/13/09 06:35:00 > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:12:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Allan Revich Subject: Re: Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: <20091014091223.6B3DF3AA563@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I really like that explanation Lily. I would add a different dimension too. Your note provides a very thoughtful summary of visual poetry from the poetics approach, i.e. how a poet moves into the realm of visual communication. For me, the special beauty of Visual Poetry is that it is equally approachable from the other direction, as visual artists move into the realm of language and poetry. So, while we have poets who start with text and move towards concrete poetry, typeface patterning, and text-based visual work, we have artists creating visual work that is based on how language appears on the page... things like glyphs and ascemic writing. Allan Revich http://www.digitalsalon.com -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of lily robert-foley Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:12 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Visual Poetry Dear Philip, I've been following the discussion a bit about visual and concrete poetry. I sometimes work in that medium-not because there is something special about visual poetry that attracts me but rather because of my theoretical interests, or perhaps my methodological ones. I happened upon visual poetry (making it), very young, before I knew there were other people doing anything like it besides Apollinaire and Oulipo and it happened rather out of a motivation towards expression (or towards undoing expression) than towards an aesthetic elan so to speak. I can't speak for all visual poets, but I do think something that is sometimes shared among visual poets is the interest to undo or redo language and the way it expresses. Language-in traditional linguistics and philosophy, and even in literature-is often seen has having a kind of "top-side" and "underside" or an "inside" and an "outside" or "form" and "content" or what have you. This can be theorized in many ways (and with many different kinds of vocabulary over the years) but I suppose the way I usually think about it (you're probably familiar with these ideas and I hope I'm not insulting you by reiterating them) is that you have the word or the phrase or the letter or whatever "unit" of language you're working with (sometimes visual poets work with uncommon "units" too, or non-units, ha) and then you have whatever it refers to. And so language is split. A part of it is tangible and a part of it is not: a part of it present, and a part absent. Saussure would call this signifier and signified, but when it comes to poetry that terminology I believe is severely limited (especially as far as visual poetry is concerned). I also think this idea is often present in the study of "poetics" whatever that is. I think visual poetry often expresses an interest in making poetry with the materiality of language, both or sometimes as a way of moving the medium of language closer to something material, like paint, or clay, but also sometimes as a way of unveiling or experimenting with the ways that "expression" and "material" may be conceived as happening in the same gesture, and in a way enact very literally an undoing of this dichotomy within language that is more than a little problematic and probably is not a very accurate way of understanding language scientifically (among other things). And experimenting with language in other ways too of course. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I started doing visual poetry not only as a way of making new poetry but also as a way of understanding language in a new way, and this may be something common with other visual poets (although perhaps not all). Feel free to email me if you want to talk more about this: lilyrobertfoley@graffiti.net. I am at University of Paris 8 doing a doctorate in literature on Beckett, Bolano and Derrida, so it could be interesting to be in contact. Thanks, Lily -- Powered By Outblaze ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:03:08 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: editor@KAURAB.COM Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually Tagore was the first non-European to win the literature award. If memory serves me right. Quite a surprise choice that year. No one would have read his work but for Yeats' strong recommendation. The stage was all set for Thomas Hardy that year. Aryanil ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Weiss To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize Tagore (1913) wrote in Bengali. There have been a handgul of east asians, middle easterners, and Blsck Africans since, but only a handful. At 04:20 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: >Alfred Nobel was a European, and the prize and its criteria were fashioned >after European interests. I doubt a Chinese, Japanese, or Hindi speaker has >ever reviewed anything other than scientific journals written by Asians in >consideration for any of the Nobel prizes. Only the Peace prize, which >doesn't rely on anything written by the honoree has been awarded to anyone >with a non-European lineage. Then there's the issue of South America. >They're primarily of European descent, i.e., Spanish, Portuguese, German. >They don't win because they're mostly out of sight of most Nobel vetters. >It should change, but I ain't holdin' my breath. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >Behalf Of Christopher Leland Winks >Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:36 AM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > >How many people speak Chinese? Well then,. how many Nobel Laureates from >China have there been? How many Latin Americans? (Not many.) How many >Brazilians? How many from South Asia? How many from sub-Saharan Africa who >don't happen to be white (so there go Lessing, Gordimer, and Coetzee)? How >many Arabs? (Only Mahfouz.) > >Eurocentrism dies hard. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mary Jo Malo >Date: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:45 pm >Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > > Considering how few people in the world speak German, to have four > > Germanophone laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich Boll, > > Gunter Grass, Elfriede Jelinek, and Herta Muller -- seems excessive, > > to put it mildly. (Christopher Leland Winks) > > > > The selection of 87% non-German speaking laureates isn't fair? > > > > Mary Jo Malo > > -- > > http://thisshiningwound.blogspot.com/ > > http://apophisdeconstructingabsurdity.blogspot.com/ > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines >& sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). Forthcoming in November 2009. http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:20:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <5f40bb2a284c70.4ad5d1a9@mail.nyu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Foreign_Language_Film. USSR and Russia, listed separately: 4. On the other hand, Poland has never received a nomination. One would think Andrej Wayda (Sp?) would have received a nod. Mark At 01:27 PM 10/14/2009, you wrote: >Well, Mr. Bowering, on this particular slippery slope, you're one >step short of (overrated Nobel laureate) Saul Bellow's "Show me the >Zulu Tolstoy!" In any case, I bet there have been some Russian >films that have won Best Foreign Picture in the Academy Awards. And >are you saying, "Well, these Africans, they just lack skills in >chemistry, otherwise they would SURELY, in the objective world of >the Nobel Committtees and the level playing field from which these >committees operate, have cleaned up on the prize front ages ago"? > >Interesting how some other comments have claimed the status of >oppressed group based on their European ancestry. Maybe they should >read "Discourse on Colonialism" by a great poet who (probably >because of this text) never won the Nobel. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: George Bowering >Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:19 pm >Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > > On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Christopher Leland Winks wrote: > > > > > How many people speak Chinese? Well then,. how many Nobel > > > Laureates from China have there been? How many Latin Americans? > > > > > (Not many.) How many Brazilians? How many from South Asia? How > > > > > many from sub-Saharan Africa who don't happen to be white (so there > > > > > go Lessing, Gordimer, and Coetzee)? How many Arabs? (Only Mahfouz.) > > > > > > Eurocentrism dies hard. > > > > > Oh, this is well-reasoned. > > And it applies to the other Nobel prizes as well. > > How many sub-Saharan Africans have won the Nobel prize for chemistry > > > > or physics? > > > > Or the other prizes. > > How many Russians have won the Academy Awards? > > > > > > > > George Bowering, esq. > > Not a morning kind of guy. > > > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). Forthcoming in November 2009. http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:20:35 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E1_01CA4D81.2265FE70" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01CA4D81.2265FE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Johanna; I would add that to most of the American media it wasn't even worthwhile = investigating who Meuller is and why she won the prize. However, even = when Americans win a Nobel, it's hardly covered, as it has no = entertainment value. I think it has more to do with ignorance than = jingoism. As for not many American writers getting a Nobel in literature, we = should be more concerned with our high rate of illiteracy than with who = wins what literary prize. -Joel =20 From: Johanna Fisher =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:03:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <5f40bb2a284c70.4ad5d1a9@mail.nyu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed It's only slippery if we get into self-satisfying automatic look at me I'm not a racist lingo. I've had talks with my friend Chenjerai Hove about this, and I love his books, but I know that he is not (yet) Nobel material. I am very very happy that we have this wonderful and inventive Shona writer. He won the Noma with his first novel, and stands tall against the regime in his home country. He's a great man and a terrific writer. But give him time. As to Chemists and so on. It takes a great heap of money, a big university with facilities and the wherewithall to entice geniuses to work there to even begin to qualify for the kind of event that brings Nobel attention. It's less likely to happen in Mali than in California. It's maybe sad if you look at it one way, but who cares if you look another. There are things happening in Mali that you wont be lucky enough to find in Berkeley. g On Oct 14, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Christopher Leland Winks wrote: > Well, Mr. Bowering, on this particular slippery slope, you're one > step short of (overrated Nobel laureate) Saul Bellow's "Show me the > Zulu Tolstoy!" In any case, I bet there have been some Russian > films that have won Best Foreign Picture in the Academy Awards. > And are you saying, "Well, these Africans, they just lack skills in > chemistry, otherwise they would SURELY, in the objective world of > the Nobel Committtees and the level playing field from which these > committees operate, have cleaned up on the prize front ages ago"? > > Interesting how some other comments have claimed the status of > oppressed group based on their European ancestry. Maybe they > should read "Discourse on Colonialism" by a great poet who > (probably because of this text) never won the Nobel. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: George Bowering > Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:19 pm > Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >> On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Christopher Leland Winks wrote: >> >>> How many people speak Chinese? Well then,. how many Nobel >>> Laureates from China have there been? How many Latin Americans? >> >>> (Not many.) How many Brazilians? How many from South Asia? How >> >>> many from sub-Saharan Africa who don't happen to be white (so there >> >>> go Lessing, Gordimer, and Coetzee)? How many Arabs? (Only >>> Mahfouz.) >>> >>> Eurocentrism dies hard. >>> >> Oh, this is well-reasoned. >> And it applies to the other Nobel prizes as well. >> How many sub-Saharan Africans have won the Nobel prize for chemistry >> >> or physics? >> >> Or the other prizes. >> How many Russians have won the Academy Awards? >> >> >> >> George Bowering, esq. >> Not a morning kind of guy. >> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >> welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html GB Is currently imagining the universe. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:51:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Camille Martin Subject: new on Rogue Embryo's blog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 new on Rogue Embryo: Alan Bernheimer, from (my well-worn copy of) Cafe Isotope The Birth of Newton Decasia: Seeds of Destruction Green Anole, Daddy Long-Legs http://rogueembryo.wordpress.com Cheers! Camille Camille Martin http://www.camillemartin.ca http://rogueembryo.wordpress.ca =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:03:18 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: Seance Your Own Way MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Honoring the life and work of poet kari edwards. Seance Your Own Way: http://somaticpoetryexercises.blogspot.com/ the poem "kari7" resulting from this exercise can be seen here: http://kari7poem.blogspot.com/ hope you conduct your own seance poem, CAConrad -- PhillySound: new poetry http://PhillySound.blogspot.com THE BOOK OF FRANK by CAConrad http://CAConrad.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:27:20 -0800 Reply-To: Laurie Schneider & Crag Hill Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Laurie Schneider & Crag Hill Subject: Re: Visual Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks: There have been so manymanymanymany definitions of visual poetry; it's tedious to cover covered ground. But today I'll go with this line from Michael Gizzi's New Depths of Deadpan: "If the eye were a tongue" (Oscillations in the Ether, p. 37). For voluminous writing on visual poetry, you've got to visit Geof Huth's blog: http://dbqp.blogspot.com/ You would be remiss if you didn't also visit Light & Dust: http://www.thing.net/~grist/l&d/lighthom.htm Join the Spidertangle (visual poets from around the globe) discussion group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spidertangle/ Watch for a major anthology of vispo in 2010! Best, Crag Hill http://scorecard.typepad.com/ http://scorecard.typepad.com/spore/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:37:07 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Janet Holmes Subject: Catherine Daly, Kate Greenstreet & Janet Holmes @ BEYOND BAROQUE 10/30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *Catherine Daly, Kate Greenstreet & Janet Holmes* Friday, Oct. 30 at 7:30 pm @ Beyond Baroque 681 Venice Blvd. Venice, CA 310.822.3006 ***CATHERINE DALY* is author of eight books of poetry, most recently *Vauxh= all *(Shearsman) with two titles forthcoming. *KATE GREENSTREET=92s* second boo= k, *The Last 4 Things* (Ahsahta), includes a DVD containing two short films based on sections from the book. She is author of *Case Sensitive* (Ahsahta= ) and three chapbooks, most recently *This is why I hurt you* (Lame House). Her work has appeared in *jubilat, VOLT, Denver Quarterly, Fence,* and *Cou= rt Green.* *JANET HOLMES* is author of five books of poetry, most recently *Th= e Ms of My Kin *(Shearsman) and *F2F* (U of Notre Dame). She is editor and director of Ahsahta Press and lives in Idaho. ** --=20 Janet Holmes http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu .. .. .. .. .. .. NEW FROM AHSAHTA PRESS: Song of a Living Room by Brigitte Byrd The Last 4 Things by Kate Greenstreet http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:31:10 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Morse Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <76B660CCBDF049E898FD0F1E65E8125B@JANUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An interesting article by Mueller about life in a country where the state takes literature seriously is: http://www.signandsight.com/features/1910.html Jonathan Morse ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:12:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Patrick Durgin Subject: ANN ARBOR: Dolores Dorantes, Laura Sol=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F3rzano=2C_?= and Jen Hofer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Presents CONTEMPORARY MEXICAN POETRY Featuring Dolores Dorantes, Laura Sol=F3rzano, and Jen Hofer Thursday October 22nd 730pm: Residential College Library (University of Michigan, Ann Arbor) (This event will be in Spanish with English translation) DO NOT MISS THIS EXCITING NIGHT OF POETRY AND TRANSLATION by two of the mos= t exciting Spanish-language poets writing today along with Jen Hofer's award-winning translations of their work. Dolores Dorantes=92s books include sexoPUROsexoVELOZ (2004), Lola (cartas cortas) (2002), Para Bernardo: un eco (2000) and Poemas para ni=F1os (1999)= . She is founding director of the border arts collective Compa=F1=EDa Frugal, based in Ciudad Ju=E1rez, where she has lived for twenty years.Compa=F1=EDa= Frugal supports autonomous projects in the arts and counts among its activities publication of the bi-weekly poetry broadside series Hoja Frugal, printed i= n editions of 4000 and distributed free throughout Mexico. A translation of sexoPUROsexoVELOZ and Septiembre, books two and three of Dolores Dorantes b= y Dolores Dorantes, have been translated by Hofer and published by Counterpat= h Press and Kenning Editions. Laura Sol=F3rzano is the author, most recently, of Boca perdida (2005), lob= o de labio (2001) and Semilla de Ficus (1999). Jen Hofer=92s en face translat= ion of lobo de labio was published as lip wolf by Action Books in March 2007. Laura is on the editorial board of the literary arts magazine Tragaluz, and currently teaches writing at the Centro de Arte Audiovisual in Guadalajara. Both Dorantes and Sol=F3rzano appeared in the anthology Sin puertas visible= s: An Anthology of Contemporary Poetry by Mexican Women (ed. and trans. Jen Hofer, 2003). Jen Hofer=92s latest book is The Route, an epistolary and poetic collaborat= ion with Patrick Durgin. She lives in Los Angeles, where she teaches poetics in the MFA Writing Program at CalArts, works as a Spanish-language interpreter with the Los Angeles County Superior Courts. She will read her English translations of the work of Dorantes and Sol=F3rzano. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:16:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: <16128666.14441255543388914.JavaMail.root@dom-zbox1.bo3.lycos.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Aryanil, Thank you for this titbit about Hardy? The wheels of Fortune worked against him. Ciao, Murat On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:03 PM, wrote: > Actually Tagore was the first non-European to win the literature award. If > memory serves me right. Quite a surprise choice that year. No one would have > read his work but for Yeats' strong recommendation. The stage was all set > for Thomas Hardy that year. > > Aryanil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Weiss > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:38:59 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > > Tagore (1913) wrote in Bengali. There have been a handgul of east > asians, middle easterners, and Blsck Africans since, but only a handful. > > At 04:20 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: > >Alfred Nobel was a European, and the prize and its criteria were fashioned > >after European interests. I doubt a Chinese, Japanese, or Hindi speaker > has > >ever reviewed anything other than scientific journals written by Asians in > >consideration for any of the Nobel prizes. Only the Peace prize, which > >doesn't rely on anything written by the honoree has been awarded to anyone > >with a non-European lineage. Then there's the issue of South America. > >They're primarily of European descent, i.e., Spanish, Portuguese, German. > >They don't win because they're mostly out of sight of most Nobel vetters. > >It should change, but I ain't holdin' my breath. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > >Behalf Of Christopher Leland Winks > >Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:36 AM > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > > > >How many people speak Chinese? Well then,. how many Nobel Laureates from > >China have there been? How many Latin Americans? (Not many.) How many > >Brazilians? How many from South Asia? How many from sub-Saharan Africa > who > >don't happen to be white (so there go Lessing, Gordimer, and Coetzee)? > How > >many Arabs? (Only Mahfouz.) > > > >Eurocentrism dies hard. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Mary Jo Malo > >Date: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:45 pm > >Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > > > > > Considering how few people in the world speak German, to have four > > > Germanophone laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich Boll, > > > Gunter Grass, Elfriede Jelinek, and Herta Muller -- seems excessive, > > > to put it mildly. (Christopher Leland Winks) > > > > > > The selection of 87% non-German speaking laureates isn't fair? > > > > > > Mary Jo Malo > > > -- > > > http://thisshiningwound.blogspot.com/ > > > http://apophisdeconstructingabsurdity.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > ================================== > > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > > > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > > > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > >================================== > >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > >& sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > >================================== > >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University > of California Press). > Forthcoming in November 2009. > http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:15:38 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Patrick Herron Subject: Joe Milford Hosts Patrick Herron on The Joe Milford Show Sat 17th 7PM Eastern Comments: To: Lucifer Poetics Group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe Milford Hosts Patrick Herron Listen Online Saturday 17th at 700p EST http://tr.im/herronradio Time: 7:00PM Saturday, October 17th You can call in at (646) 595-2394 Facebook event page: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=149273970613&ref=mf ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:44:38 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project October Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone, Here=B9s what we have planned for the immediate future. And scroll down for information on an upcoming screening at Anthology Film Archives. Check out Brandon Brown=B9s latest blog entry here: www.poetryproject.org/project-blog. After some initial technical confusion comment fields are now active! Friday, October 16, 7 PM at POETS HOUSE Living in Advance: A Tribute to David Bromige This evening celebrates the life and work of poet David Bromige (1933-2009)= , who was born in London, grew up in Canada, and arrived in 1962 in Northern California, where he spent the rest of his life, teaching and writing more than forty books of poetry. Readers include Charles Bernstein, Corina Copp, Rachel Levitsky, Bob Perelman, Nick Piombino, Ron Silliman, Gary Sullivan, Geoffrey Young & Others. Please note that this event will take place at Poets House in Battery Park City. Cosponsored by The Poetry Project. Monday, October 19, 8 PM Sueyeun Juliette Lee & Tracey McTague Sueyeun Juliette Lee grew up three miles from the CIA and currently lives i= n Philadelphia, PA where she edits her small chapbook series, Corollary Press= , and is pursuing her PhD in English from Temple University. Previously, she=A0received her MFA in poetry and certificate in Advanced Feminist Studies from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. Her poetry has appeared in journals such as Chain, 26, The Columbia Poetry Review, Effing, and MiPOesias=B9s Asian American collection.=A0Her chapbooks include Trespass Slightly In (online with Coconut), Perfect Villagers (Octopus Books) and Mental Commitment Robots (Yo Yo Labs). As an editor,=A0Sueyeun specifically seeks out authors whose aesthetics challenge the boundaries of intelligibility for suitably =B3raced=B2 work, such as painter and African-American poet Christopher Stackhouse=B9s lyric meditations on the visual line in Slip (Corollary 2006) or Indian emigre Bhanu Kapil=B9s hybrid memoir of displacement, colonialism, and mental illness in Water Damage (Corollary 2007). Her book of poetry, That Gorgeous Feeling (Coconut), explores East/West discursive circulations through the notion of celebrity.= =A0 Tracey McTague lives at the geographic apex of Brooklyn on Battle Hill wher= e she curates a reading series of the same name. She is also co-editor and consiglieri of Lungfull! Magazine. She is a writer and visual artist whose work includes a number of chapbooks. A longer book, about urban dog mind, will be published this fall by Overlook Press. Tracey is currently at work on a project called SUPER NATURAL. She vandalizes private property on a regular basis. =20 Wednesday, October 21, 8 PM Christopher Nealon & Catherine Wagner Christopher Nealon is the author of two books of poems, The Joyous Age (Black Square Editions, 2004) and Plummet (Edge Books, 2009). He is also th= e author of a book of criticism, Foundlings: Lesbian and Gay Emotion before Stonewall (Duke, 2001) and a forthcoming book called The Matter of Capital: Poetry and Spectacle in the American Century. After teaching at UC Berkeley for many years, he is now a member of the English Department at Johns Hopkins University. He grew up in upstate New York, has lived in Boston, Seattle, San Francisco, and DC, and hopes one day to return to the beautifu= l green Pacific Northwest. Catherine Wagner=B9s new book, My New Job, is forthcoming in October from Fence. Her other books are Macular Hole (2004) and Miss America (2001; both Fence). A healthy selection from her new project, an epic romance, appears in the fall issue of Verse; recent chapbooks include Articulate How (Big Game Books/Dusie, 2008), Hole in the Ground (Slack Buddha, 2008) and Bornt (Dusie, 2009). Her work has been included in numerous anthologies, most recently State of the Union: 100 Political Poems and The Best American Erotic Poetry. She is permanent faculty in the MA program in creative writing at Miami University in Ohio. For the last two summers she has taugh= t a summer course on visual and concrete poetry in London; this fall, she is working with undergraduate creative writers at a homeless shelter and teaching a graduate seminar on the rhetoric of song. =20 Friday, October 23, 10 PM Michele Beck, Jorge Calvo, Jennifer Bartlett & Special Guest Bill Kushner Michele Beck and=A0Jorge Calvo are multidisciplinary artists working with video, sound and performance. They have shown their work nationally and internationally at venues including The ICA in=A0London, The Art Museum at th= e University of Texas Museum, Galerie Chez Valentin in=A0Paris,=A0France, The Bronx Museum, and The Queens Museum of Art. They are recipients of the MCAF grant and the SOS grant from the New York Foundation for the Arts and residencies at Yaddo. Tonight they will show two 15 minute=A0 videos from a series called =B3video portraits in a day=B2 =AD one about=A0 poet Bill Kushner and one about poet Jennifer Bartlett. The videos will be followed by a performance by Beck and Calvo and readings by Bartlett and Kushner. Michele Beck completed her Bachelors in Art History at=A0New York=A0University=A0and Masters of Fine Arts at Parsons School of Design. She teaches at the=A0New=A0School=A0University=A0and the=A0International=A0Center=A0for Photography.=20 Jorge Calvo pursued his studies in experimental theatre in=A0Sydney,=A0Australia. After finishing his training, he performed with the alternative theatre companies G.R.O.U.P and Dangerous Visions Theatre, both of which received funding from the Australian Arts Council.=A0 Jennifer Bartlett was a 2005 NYFA Poetry Fellow.=A0Bartlett=A0is the author of=A0Derivative of the Moving Image (UNM 2007) and=A0(a) lullaby without any music (forthcoming). Individual poems have recently appeared in=A0New America= n Writing and=A0The Raleigh Quarterly. In 2008, she curated a collection on mentorship for How2. She is currently working on a project on the life and work of Larry Eigner.=A0Bartlett=A0teaches poetry to students with disabilities at United Cerebral Palsy and lives in Greenpoint Brooklyn with the science fiction writer Jim Stewart and their son, Jeffrey. Bill Kushner is the author of Night Fishing, Love Uncut, He Dreams of Rivers, That April, In The Hairy=A0Arms of Whitman and In Sunsetland With You= . =A0His works have been awarded the Dylan Thomas Prize=A0For Poetry and have appeared in numerous anthologies, including In Out Time: The Gay and Lesbian=A0Anthology, Poetry After 9/11: An Anthology of New York Poets and Best American Poetry 2002. He has=A0been a 1999 and 2005 Fellow of the New York Foundation of the Arts. And from our friends at Anthology Film Archives: Thurs, Oct 22, 8p: Anthology Film Archives & the Austrian Cultural Forum NY present Carmen Tartarotti=B9s WRITING AND KEEPING SILENT =AD THE POET FRIEDERIKE, an intimate portrait of the renowned Austrian poet. At Anthology: 32 Second Ave (2nd St.). $9. Full details: http://tiny.cc/Wujhl Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.org/become-a-member Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.org/program-calendar The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.org www.poetryproject.org Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=B9d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a line at info@poetryproject.org. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:53:54 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I find this discussion a typical example of Americans' (self-righteous) exc= eptionalism in criticizing the awarding of the Nobel Prize in Literature t= o primarily European and Europe-descent writers--as though most US American= s are not of European descent!=20 US Americans are quick to point the finger=2C or the trigger finger--at oth= ers while being blind to their own participations=2C collusion and winning = of a great many prizes themselves. As Mark Weiss points out re South America =2C though so far with few Prizes= :=20 "Then there's the issue of South America. > > >They're primarily of European descent=2C i.e.=2C Spanish=2C Portuguese= =2C German." So--South Americans are European descent but not North Americans? US Americans are so busy criticizing Euro-Centric Prizes and the like=2C as= though they are not part and parcel of the European conquests and genocida= l holocaust of the "New World=2C" that they ignore facts such as the follow= ing: US Americans after all have won no less than TEN Nobel Literature prizes: = Toni Morrison=2C Sinclair Lewis=2C John Steinbeck=2C Ernest Hemingway=2C Wi= lliam Faulkner=2C Saul Bellow=2C Isaac Bashevis Singer=2C Eugene O'Neill=2C= Pearl S. Buck and Czeslaw Milosz (Poland/USA) > Date: Fri=2C 16 Oct 2009 14:16:19 -0400 > From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > Aryanil=2C >=20 > Thank you for this titbit about Hardy? The wheels of Fortune worked again= st > him. >=20 > Ciao=2C >=20 > Murat >=20 >=20 > On Wed=2C Oct 14=2C 2009 at 2:03 PM=2C wrote: >=20 > > Actually Tagore was the first non-European to win the literature award.= If > > memory serves me right. Quite a surprise choice that year. No one would= have > > read his work but for Yeats' strong recommendation. The stage was all s= et > > for Thomas Hardy that year. > > > > Aryanil > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mark Weiss > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Sent: Tue=2C 13 Oct 2009 16:38:59 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > > > > Tagore (1913) wrote in Bengali. There have been a handgul of east > > asians=2C middle easterners=2C and Blsck Africans since=2C but only a h= andful. > > > > At 04:20 PM 10/13/2009=2C you wrote: > > >Alfred Nobel was a European=2C and the prize and its criteria were fas= hioned > > >after European interests. I doubt a Chinese=2C Japanese=2C or Hindi s= peaker > > has > > >ever reviewed anything other than scientific journals written by Asian= s in > > >consideration for any of the Nobel prizes. Only the Peace prize=2C wh= ich > > >doesn't rely on anything written by the honoree has been awarded to an= yone > > >with a non-European lineage. Then there's the issue of South America. > > >They're primarily of European descent=2C i.e.=2C Spanish=2C Portuguese= =2C German. > > >They don't win because they're mostly out of sight of most Nobel vette= rs. > > >It should change=2C but I ain't holdin' my breath. > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Poetics List (UPenn=2C UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]= On > > >Behalf Of Christopher Leland Winks > > >Sent: Tuesday=2C October 13=2C 2009 10:36 AM > > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > > > > > >How many people speak Chinese? Well then=2C. how many Nobel Laureates= from > > >China have there been? How many Latin Americans? (Not many.) How ma= ny > > >Brazilians? How many from South Asia? How many from sub-Saharan Afri= ca > > who > > >don't happen to be white (so there go Lessing=2C Gordimer=2C and Coetz= ee)? > > How > > >many Arabs? (Only Mahfouz.) > > > > > >Eurocentrism dies hard. > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Mary Jo Malo > > >Date: Monday=2C October 12=2C 2009 5:45 pm > > >Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize > > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > > > > > > > > Considering how few people in the world speak German=2C to have fou= r > > > > Germanophone laureates within the past 30-some years -- Heinrich Bo= ll=2C > > > > Gunter Grass=2C Elfriede Jelinek=2C and Herta Muller -- seems exces= sive=2C > > > > to put it mildly. (Christopher Leland Winks) > > > > > > > > The selection of 87% non-German speaking laureates isn't fair? > > > > > > > > Mary Jo Malo > > > > -- > > > > http://thisshiningwound.blogspot.com/ > > > > http://apophisdeconstructingabsurdity.blogspot.com/ > > > > > =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:02:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Allan Revich Subject: Re: Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: <44892a90910170531h100a6cd6w44c731ee0a8ce56f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Philip, =20 I think that this is where the Intermedia aspect of Fluxus =93kicks = in=94. The things that I find most interesting exist in the arts are in the = boundary spaces where media, memes, and ideas interesect.=20 One artist who seems too often overlooked as a visual poet is Cy = Twombly. His paintings have the aggressive stance of the abstract expressionists = who were/are his contemporaries, but his work also appears as asemic writing writ=92 large. It=92s almost as though the paintings exist as giant = Abstract Expressionist works on gallery walls, but as intimate visual poems in printed reproduction. =20 Allan Revich http://www.digitalsalon.com =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Philip Meersman [mailto:philip.meersman@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:32 AM To: Allan Revich Subject: Re: Visual Poetry =20 Dear Allan, indeed an interesting point. Hence also the introduction of Magritte in = this historical part together with the Dadaists and the Cobra movement. But indeed perhaps the question and research about and towards contemporary artists needs to be included in a way. The border between language of poetry and the images of the artist is something that is for me one of the reasons to start this bachelor paper topic. =20 Hoping to have more discussions and thank you for your contribution. Hope to write you soon again, =20 Philip =20 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Allan Revich wrote: I really like that explanation Lily. I would add a different dimension too. Your note provides a very = thoughtful summary of visual poetry from the poetics approach, i.e. how a poet = moves into the realm of visual communication. For me, the special beauty of = Visual Poetry is that it is equally approachable from the other direction, as visual artists move into the realm of language and poetry. So, while we have poets who start with text and move towards concrete poetry, typeface patterning, and text-based visual work, we have artists creating visual work that is based on how language appears on the = page... things like glyphs and ascemic writing. Allan Revich http://www.digitalsalon.com -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of lily robert-foley Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:12 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Visual Poetry Dear Philip, I've been following the discussion a bit about visual and concrete = poetry. I sometimes work in that medium-not because there is something special = about visual poetry that attracts me but rather because of my theoretical interests, or perhaps my methodological ones. I happened upon visual = poetry (making it), very young, before I knew there were other people doing anything like it besides Apollinaire and Oulipo and it happened rather = out of a motivation towards expression (or towards undoing expression) than towards an aesthetic elan so to speak. I can't speak for all visual poets, but I do think something that is sometimes shared among visual poets is the interest to undo or redo = language and the way it expresses. Language-in traditional linguistics and philosophy, and even in literature-is often seen has having a kind of "top-side" and "underside" or an "inside" and an "outside" or "form" and "content" or what have you. This can be theorized in many ways (and = with many different kinds of vocabulary over the years) but I suppose the way = I usually think about it (you're probably familiar with these ideas and I = hope I'm not insulting you by reiterating them) is that you have the word or = the phrase or the letter or whatever "unit" of language you're working with (sometimes visual poets work with uncommon "units" too, or non-units, = ha) and then you have whatever it refers to. And so language is split. A = part of it is tangible and a part of it is not: a part of it present, and a = part absent. Saussure would call this signifier and signified, but when it comes to poetry that terminology I believe is severely limited = (especially as far as visual poetry is concerned). I also think this idea is often present in the study of "poetics" whatever that is. I think visual poetry often expresses an interest in making poetry with = the materiality of language, both or sometimes as a way of moving the medium = of language closer to something material, like paint, or clay, but also sometimes as a way of unveiling or experimenting with the ways that "expression" and "material" may be conceived as happening in the same gesture, and in a way enact very literally an undoing of this dichotomy within language that is more than a little problematic and probably is = not a very accurate way of understanding language scientifically (among other things). And experimenting with language in other ways too of course. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I started doing visual poetry = not only as a way of making new poetry but also as a way of understanding language in a new way, and this may be something common with other = visual poets (although perhaps not all). Feel free to email me if you want to talk more about this: lilyrobertfoley@graffiti.net. I am at University of Paris 8 doing a doctorate in literature on Beckett, Bolano and Derrida, so it could be interesting to be in contact. Thanks, Lily -- Powered By Outblaze =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html --=20 Philip Meersman A. Lynenstraat 25 bus 3 1210 St-Joost-ten-Noode Belgium tel+32 (0)476 576 287 www.myspace.com/spooninmybrain www.facebook.com/spooninmybrain www.youtube.com/spooninmybrain skype: Spooninmybrain philip.meersman@gmail.com www.poetasdelmundo.com/verInfo_europa.asp?ID=3D4337 17/07/09-28/07/09: poezie@GhentinCap: (www.kunstvogel.be/ghentincap.htm) 27/09/09: Vlaams Slam & BruSlam @ 24h Slam de Liege (www.myspace.com/24hslam) 30/09/09-04/10/09: 1st European Poetry Slam Event, Berlin (www.european-poetryslam.org) 09/10/09: Skype performance @ MHO_Save the Poetry in Venice, Venice = Biennale 21/10/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com)=20 23/10/09: BruSlam @ Bruxelles Mosa=EFque (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 13-15/11/09: Festival Flamme, Amn=E9ville les Thermes, France 21/11/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 21/12/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:15:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Bobbie Lurie Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Very well put, Joel. thank you-- Bobbi Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:20:35 -0700 From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=3D_NextPart_000_00E1_01CA4D81.2265FE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Johanna; I would add that to most of the American media it wasn't even=20 worthwhile =3D investigating who Meuller is and why she won the prize. However, even =3D when Americans win a Nobel, it's hardly covered, as it has no =3D entertainment value. I think it has more to do with ignorance than =3D jingoism. As for not many American writers getting a Nobel in literature, we =3D should be more concerned with our high rate of illiteracy than with who=20 =3D wins what literary prize. -Joel =3D20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:52:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Johanna Fisher Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel In-Reply-To: <8CC1D6CF88FA79E-2E58-A758@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Joel- I concur especially because I am an educator. It is alarming how many students in my classes are barely able to read and write. I wonder how they were allowed to progress through their elementary and high school grades without the proper intervention to address their reading and writing issues. I am aware that literarcy involves more than simply formal instruction, certainly culture has some influence. Nonetheless, your point is well taken and of course their are wonderful writers in this coutry who deserve the prize, but for me it is important that a woman received some recognition and especially one whose writing gives us all something important to consider about our collective humanity-the horrible as well as the sublime. ---- Original message ---- >Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:15:41 -0400 >From: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" (on behalf of Bobbie Lurie ) >Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Very well put, Joel. >thank you-- >Bobbi > > > >Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:20:35 -0700 >From: Joel Weishaus >Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01CA4D81.2265FE70 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Johanna; > >I would add that to most of the American media it wasn't even >worthwhile = >investigating who Meuller is and why she won the prize. However, even = >when Americans win a Nobel, it's hardly covered, as it has no = >entertainment value. I think it has more to do with ignorance than = >jingoism. >As for not many American writers getting a Nobel in literature, we = >should be more concerned with our high rate of illiteracy than with who >= >wins what literary prize. > >-Joel =20 > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:46:23 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: Visual Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit so much of online literary discourse transpires through listservs. most big listservs, like this one, don't allow anything but plain text messages. no pictures, no attachments, nothing but plain text. because once you allow other stuff you open the door to the transmission of viruses among list members. here we have an example of a technological constraint creating an aesthetic constraint. once again there is a hard separation between text and image. and a hard separation between text and any other media, for that matter. note i am not blaming list administrators for this. it is a technological constraint. listservs are a baby step from print, then, in the sense that they cannot participate in the intermedial orgiastic crossbreeding of media that is occuring in many online environments. ja http://vispo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:57:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: From &now MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From &now a few images from our performance at the &now conference in Buffalo, including Scott Kildall, Sandy Baldwin, myself. andnow.mp4 is the space; the other images were made during our performance and the Q&A at the end. 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Thu08PM 3:53 pine pts/13 c-76-103-173-0.hsd1.ca.com Thu03PM 4:30 pine pts/8 user-387hit9.cable.mindspr 12:25AM 0 grep pine ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:00:33 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barrett Watten Subject: Panel on Cross-Border Arts and Bilingual Reading / Wayne State University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Regions of Practice: Poetics Across Languages (Wayne State University) & Museum of Contemporary Art, Detroit / MOCAD present DOLORES DORANTES [poet, Ciudad Ju=E1rez, Mexico] LAURA SOLORZANO [poet, Guadalajara, Mexico] JEN HOFER [poet and translator, Los Angeles] CROSS BORDER POLITICS AND THE ARTS a panel discussion with ELENA HERRADA & OTHERS followed by A BILINGUAL POETRY READING featuring innovative poetry in translation SATURDAY, OCTOBER 24, 3 PM (PANEL) & 5 PM (READING) MOCAD, 4452 WOODWARD AVENUE, DETROIT Website: http://www.mocadetroit.org/upcomingevents.html Flyer:= http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac_pages/ewatten/pdfs/regionsevent03.pdf ------------------------------------------------------------ This panel discussion will revolve around the=20 topic of cross-border politics, with a focus on=20 the position of the arts in such a hot button=20 issue. The panel will feature Dolores Dorantes,=20 Elena Herrada (Fronteras Norte=F1as, Detroit),=20 Laura Sol=F3rzano and Jen Hofer. The panel=20 discussion will be followed by a bilingual poetry=20 reading, beginning with Dolores Dorantes and=20 Laura Sol=F3rzano reading their own work in Spanish=20 and followed by Jen Hofer reading her=20 translations of the works of both women in English. Dolores Dorantes was born in C=F3rdoba, Veracruz in=20 1973, and has lived in Ciudad Ju=E1rez, Chihuahua=20 for the past 20 years. Her published books=20 include sexoPUROsexoVELOZ (Lapzus and Or=E1culo,=20 2004), Lola (cartas cortas) (Fondo Editorial=20 Tierra Adentro, CONACULTA, 2002), Para Bernardo:=20 un eco (MUB editoraz, 2000) and Poemas para ni=F1os=20 (Ediciones El Tuc=E1n de Virginia, 1999). She is=20 founding director of the border arts collective=20 Compa=F1=EDa Frugal, which supports autonomous=20 projects in the arts and counts among its=20 activities publication of the poetry broadside=20 series Hoja Frugal, printed in editions of 4000=20 and distributed free throughout Mexico. Her op-ed=20 pieces, criticism and investigative texts have=20 been published in Mexican newspapers such as D=EDa=20 Siete (Mexico City), Pol=EDtica (Xalapa, Veracruz),=20 La Cr=F3nica (Mexico City), La Jornada (Mexico=20 City), S=EDntesis (Tlaxcala) and Diario de Ju=E1rez,=20 where she worked as an editor. Jen Hofer=92s=20 translations of her poems into English have been=20 published in 1913, Action Yes online, Counterpath=20 online, kenning, Tampa Review War and Peace and=20 Women=92s Studies Quarterly, as a Seeing Eye=20 chapbook, and in the anthology Sin puertas=20 visibles (ed. and trans. Jen Hofer, University of=20 Pittsburgh and Ediciones Sin Nombre, 2003). Laura Sol=F3rzano was born in Guadalajara, Jalisco=20 in 1961. She is the author of Un rosal para el=20 se=F1or K (Universidad de Guanajuato, 2006) Boca=20 perdida (bonobos, 2005), lobo de labio (Cuadernos=20 de filodecaballos, 2001) and Semilla de Ficus=20 (Ediciones Rimbaud, 1999). Jen Hofer=92s en face=20 translation of lobo de labio was published as lip=20 wolf by Action Books in 2007. Laura is on the=20 editorial board of the literary arts magazine=20 Tragaluz, and currently teaches writing at the=20 Centro de Arte Audiovisual in Guadalajara.=20 Translations of her poems into English have been=20 published in the online magazines Action, Yes;=20 Counterpath; and HOW2 and in the print=20 publications Aufgabe, Calque, Kadar Koli and=20 Vanitas, as well as in the anthology Sin puertas=20 visibles (ed. and trans. Jen Hofer, University of=20 Pittsburgh and Ediciones Sin Nombre, 2003). Jen Hofer=92s recent publications include The=20 Route, an epistolary and poetic collaboration=20 with Patrick Durgin (Atelos, 2008), a translation=20 of books two and three of Dolores Dorantes by=20 Dolores Dorantes (Counterpath Press and Kenning=20 Editions, 2008), lip wolf, a translation of Laura=20 Sol=F3rzano=92s lobo de labio (Action Books, 2007),=20 and Sin puertas visibles: An Anthology of=20 Contemporary Poetry by Mexican Women (University=20 of Pittsburgh Press and Ediciones Sin Nombre,=20 2003). Her forthcoming books are from the valley=20 of death (Ponzipo), Laws (Dusie Books) and a=20 book-length series of anti-war-manifesto poems=20 titled one (Palm Press). She lives in Los=20 Angeles, where she teaches in the MFA Writing=20 Program at CalArts and in Goddard College=92s=20 low-residency BFA Program, and works as a=20 Spanish-language interpreter with the Los Angeles=20 County Superior Courts and as a social justice=20 interpreter with various regional non-profits. ------------------------------------------------------------ Regions of Practice: Poetics Across Languages is=20 a Working Group sponsored by the Humanities=20 Center, Wayne State University. Contact: Barrett Watten / b.watten@wayne.edu Flyer available at:=20 http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac_pages/ewatten/pdfs/regionsevent03.pdf [] =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:21:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Skinner Subject: LANGUAGE ARTS LIVE PRESENTS BILL BERKSON *TONIGHT* AT BATES COLLEGE (LEWISTON, ME) 7:30 PM Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Bill Berkson 7:30 Monday 10/19, Skelton Lounge at Bates College (Chase Hall 205, 56 Campus Avenue, Lewiston, Maine) Bill Berkson is a poet and critic who lives in San Francisco and New York. From 1984 to 2008 years he was professor of Liberal Arts at the San Francisco Art Institute. He is a corresponding editor for Art in America an= d a contributor to such other journals as Artforum, Aperture and artcritical.com. His recent books include an epistolary collaboration with Bernadette Mayer entitled What=B9s Your Idea of a Good Time?; Sudden Address: Selected Lectures 1981-2006; Goods and Services; BILL, a words-and-images combine with Colter Jacobsen; and Portrait and Dream: New & Selected Poems from Coffee House Press. He was the 2006 Distinguished Mellon Fellow at the Skowhegan School of Painting and Sculpture and received the 2008 Goldie for Literature from the San Francisco Bay Guardian. Free and open to the public. This reading generously sponsored by funding from the Bates Environmental Studies Program, the Bates English Department, the Bates Humanities Fund an= d from the John Tagliabue Fund for Poetry. =20 LANGUAGE ARTS LIVE, FALL 2009 BATES COLLEGE, LEWISTON, MAINE http://languageartslive.wordpress.com/ =20 Cecilia Vicu=F1a 7:30 Monday 11/2, Benjamin Mays Center (95 Russell Street) 4:15 Tuesday 11/3, Olin 104 (75 Russell Street), Premiere screening of Vicu=F1a=B9s film, Kon Kon (2009) =20 Poet and artist, Cecilia Vicu=F1a performs and exhibits her work widely in Europe, Latin America and the U.S. Vicu=F1a is the author of sixteen books, including Palabrarmas (RIL, 2005); Instan (Kelsey Street Press, 2003); UL, Four Mapuche Poets, edited by Cecilia Vicu=F1a (LARP, l998); QUIPOem / The Precarious, The Art & Poetry of Cecilia Vicu=F1a, edited by Catherine de Zegher (Wesleyan University Press, l997); and Unravelling Words & The Weaving of Water, edited by Eliot Weinberger (Graywolf Press, l992). Templo e=B9Saliva / Spit Temple, a collection of her oral performances, edited by Rosa Alcal=E1, is forthcoming by Factory School Press. With Ernesto Livon Grosman, Vicu=F1a is editor of 500 Years of Latin American Poetry: A Bilingua= l Anthology for Oxford University Press (2009). Vicu=F1a's visual work has bee= n exhibited at the Museo Nacional de Bellas Artes de Santiago, The Institute of Contemporary Arts (ICA) and The Whitechapel Art Gallery in London, and a= t The Whitney Museum of American Art and MoMA (Museum of Modern Art) in New York. She also is a political activist and founding member of Artists for Democracy. Vicu=F1a=B9s 2009 documentary, Kon Kon (HD Video, 50 minutes), set o= n the Chilean coast and near the Aconcagua, the tallest mountain in the Western hemisphere, explores connections between the artist=B9s works and ancient traditions, while also bearing witness to ecological and cultural destruction. For more information on the artist=B9s work, see www.ceciliavicuna.org =20 Theodore Enslin 7:30 Monday 11/30, Skelton Lounge (Chase Hall 205, 56 Campus Avenue) =20 Theodore Enslin has published 118 books of poetry, most recently Then and Now: Selected Poems, 1943-1993 (National Poetry Foundation, 1999) and Nine (National Poetry Foundation, 2004). Enslin's 119th volume, a prose collection, I, Benjamin, A Quasi-Autobiography, is due out from Macpherson = & Co. in 2009. Enslin lives in Milbridge, Maine, where he recently completed = a 20-CD series of readings from his work of the past sixty years. =20 All Readings Free and Open to the Public =20 For more information, contact Jonathan Skinner (jskinner@bates.edu / 207-753-6941) or=20 Eden Osucha (eosucha@bates.edu / 207-786-6326) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:23:49 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Ana_Bo=BEi=E8evi=E6?= Subject: Stain of Poetry Fall readings and fresh Spring/Summer 2009 videos! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear listeners, readers, poets of every stripe: It's cold outside, but there's plenty to do indoors. Take shelter on Octobe= r 30 with guest host Julian Brolaski and readers Cara Benson, Elizabeth Bryant, Carla Drysdale, Brenda Iijima, Magus Magnus & Moez Surani; and on November 20 with readers Lily Brown, Dorothea Lasky, D=E9Lana R.A. Dameron, Akilah Oliver, Lytton Smith & Joshua Marie Wilkinson! And if you can't make it to Brooklyn, our Spring/Summer 2009 season videos are now online at http://stainofpoetry.com/. Run click and view some astonishing readings. Starring, in the order of appearance: Bill Berkson, Cindy Cruz, Aaron Fagan, Jennifer Fortin, Jean-Paul Pecqueur, Bill Rasmovicz, Jason Gray, Tony Mancus, Deb Poe, Ric Royer, Mario Susko, Jessica Reed, Joel Chace, Elena Georgiou, Stuart Greenhouse, Cindy King, Christian Peet, Brett Price, Jennifer Burch, Heather Green, Chris Hosea, Sueyeun Juliette Lee, Daniel Lin, Barry Schwabsky, Ken Chen, Johannes Goransson, Cathy Park Hong, Joyelle McSweeney, C. S. Carrier, Jennifer Firestone, Erica Kaufman, Maya Pindyck, Laura Sims, Ari Banias, Maya Funaro= , Colie Hoffman, Alana Joblin, Caledonia Kearns, Shani Thompson, Julian Brolaski, Adam Fieled, Nada Gordon, Scott Hightower, Chris Stackhouse, Davi= d Wolach, Emily Kendal Frey, Phil Memmer, Jeni Olin, Zach Schomburg & JodiAnn Stevenson. The stain of poetry seeps through la pellicule... Cheers, Ana & Amy http://stainofpoetry.com http://amyking.org/ http://nightcommute.org/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:26:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Brian Clements Subject: Firewheel Editions Calls for Submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Firewheel Editions announces the second Sentence Book Award and the fourth = Firewheel Chapbook Award. The Firewheel Chapbook Award is given to a collection of no more than 20 ma= nuscript pages in any genre. Preference is for innovative work (liberally i= nterpreted), work that crosses genres, work that combines images and text, = work in formats other than the traditionally bound book, or work that may h= ave difficulty finding publication elsewhere due to the nature, typography,= or format of the work. The recipient of the award will receive 50 copies o= ut of a limited edition. Entry fee: $15 by check to Firewheel Editions or b= y PayPal at http://firewheel-editions.org. Checks and submissions may be ma= iled to Firewheel Chapbook Award, Box 7, WCSU, 181 White St., Danbury, CT 0= 6810. Electronic submissions may be sent to chapbook@firewheel-editions.org= . Postmark/Timestamp Deadline for submissions and fees: November 17, 2009, = 11:59 pm PST. The Sentence Book Award will be given to a book-length manuscript of prose = poems or a book-length manuscript consisting substantially of prose poems (= for example, a book that is half prose poems and half free-verse, or a book= -length sequence that mixes passages of prose poetry with other modes). The= recipient of the award will receive publication in a trade paper edition w= ith a standard royalty contract and 50 copies of the book. All entrants wil= l receive Sentence #7 (entrants who are already subscribers will have their= subscription extended by one issue). Entry fee: $25 by check to Firewheel = Editions or by PayPal at http://firewheel-editions.org. Checks and submissi= ons may be mailed to Sentence Book Award, Box 7, WCSU, 181 White St., Danbu= ry, CT 06810. Electronic submissions may be sent to sentence@firewheel-edit= ions.org. Postmark/Timestamp Deadline for submissions and fees: November 17= , 2009, 11:59 pm PST. Firewheel Editions subscribes to the CLMP Code of Ethics: "CLMP's community= of independent literary publishers believes that ethical contests serve ou= r shared goal: to connect writers and readers by publishing exceptional wri= ting. We believe that intent to act ethically, clarity of guidelines, and t= ransparency of process form the foundation of an ethical contest. To that e= nd, we agree to 1) conduct our contests as ethically as possible and to add= ress any unethical behavior on the part of our readers, judges, or editors;= 2) to provide clear and specific contest guidelines defining conflict of i= nterest for all parties involved; and 3) to make the mechanics of our selec= tion process available to the public. This Code recognizes that different c= ontest models produce different results, but that each model can be run eth= ically. We have adopted this Code to reinforce our integrity and dedication= as a publishing community and to ensure that our contests contribute to a = vibrant literary heritage." The recipient of the Sentence Award will be selected by Brian Clements, Edi= tor of Sentence and Firewheel Editions; the recipient of the Firewheel Chap= book Award will be selected by Brian Clements and Tom Nackid, Design Manage= r for Firewheel Editions. In the event that no recipient is chosen for eith= er award, entry fees will be returned to all of the award's entrants. Autho= rs who have published a chapbook or book with Firewheel Editions, authors w= ho have served on the Board of Contributing Editors of Sentence, graduate o= r undergraduate students and relatives of Brian Clements and Tom Nackid, an= d all past and current staff members of Sentence and Firewheel Editions are= ineligible. All manuscripts will come to the editors anonymously after scr= eening and preparation by Firewheel staff. Submission guidelines: * Chapbook Award entrants must explain any special production requi= rements for their projects in the cover letter. * All entrants must provide email address or SASE for Award results= . * Unless SASE with sufficient postage for return is included, manus= cripts will be recycled. * Multiple submissions are acceptable with an entry fee for each su= bmission. * Translations are acceptable with proof of permission to publish t= ranslations. * Electronic submissions must be sent as a single attachment in .rt= f (preferred for text-only submissions), .doc, or .pdf format. * All submitted manuscripts must include a one-page cover with auth= or's name, title, author's email address, and name of Award (Chapbook or Se= ntence); also include a second title page with title only. * The author's name should be recognizable nowhere in the manuscrip= t other than on the cover page. For more information on Sentence and Firewheel Editions, visit http://firew= heel-editions.org or email info@firewheel-editions.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:50:05 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel In-Reply-To: <8CC1D6CF88FA79E-2E58-A758@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the damn thing is a joke. if Obama can win the Nobel Peace prize, an illiterate pre-schooler may soon be nominated for the lit prize. perhaps i'm a bit cynical, but i seriously doupt that that's the case. ________________________________ From: Bobbie Lurie To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 2:15:41 PM Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel Very well put, Joel. thank you-- Bobbi Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:20:35 -0700 From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01CA4D81.2265FE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Johanna; I would add that to most of the American media it wasn't even worthwhile = investigating who Meuller is and why she won the prize. However, even = when Americans win a Nobel, it's hardly covered, as it has no = entertainment value. I think it has more to do with ignorance than = jingoism. As for not many American writers getting a Nobel in literature, we = should be more concerned with our high rate of illiteracy than with who = wins what literary prize. -Joel =20 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:34:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Bettridge Subject: New book: Reading as Belief: Language Writing, Poetics, Faith MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For those of you who might be interested, my new book Reading as Belief: Language Writing, Poetics, Faith, has just been published by Palgrave Macmillan (although it is still listed as available for preorder, it is actually out): http//us.macmillan.com/readingasbelief Although most institutions are on a tight budget now, I hope those of you at a university might consider asking your library to order the book. I've included the information and jacket copy below. Thanks for your help. Best, Joel Bettridge Author: Joel Bettridge Title: Reading as Belief: Language Writing, Poetics, Faith Publisher: Palgrave Macmillan ISBN-10: 0230619428 ISBN-13: 978-0230619425 Reading as Belief advances the provocative idea that the disruptive techniques of recent innovative poetry require readers to become believers, occupying the same philosophical ground as the religious faithful. Pairing the poets Charles Bernstein and Bruce Andrews with John Calvin and Jonathan Edwards, and drawing on the work of diverse thinkers such as Wendy Brown, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Walter Benjamin, Stanley Cavell, William James, and Gilles Deleuze, this book demonstrates how belief, faith and language-attuned critical inquiry share an epistemology, one concerned with making meaning in the absence of certainty. Joel Bettridge argues that recognizing such common ground helps overcome the cultural and philosophical impasse following the collapse of modernity's central narratives about language and liberal subjectivity. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:32:28 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: L Trent Subject: 21 Stars Review Complete Anthology PDF Download MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am pleased to announce the publication of *21 Stars Review: The Complete Poetry and Prose *in a free e-book. It is available at the old location here: http://www.sundress.net/21stars To download the e-book, it is requested that readers first learn about Grandma's Gifts and make a donation. However, this is not required, and thus the work is truly free for everyone to download. Thanks :) Letitia Trent & Chris Wells, editors of 21 Stars Review ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:13:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ron Henry Subject: Reading (Ithaca, NY) - poetry by Bhisham Bherwani and Christopher Lirette MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Please join us as poets Bhisham Bherwani and Christopher Lirette read from their work this Saturday, October 24, at 7:00 p.m. at the Upstairs Gallery in the DeWitt Mall, 215 N Cayuga St., Ithaca (corner of E. Buffalo and N. Cayuga Streets). The Upstairs Gallery is located on the second floor of the DeWitt Building. This reading is free and open to the public. BHISHAM BHERWANI's poetry collection, The Second Night of the Spirit, was published in April 2009 by CavanKerry Press. He is a graduate of Cornell University and was a Fellow at the Saltonstall Arts Colony in Ithaca in September 2009. He lives in New York City. Originally from the bayou community of Chauvin, Louisiana, CHRISTOPHER LIRETTE has lived in California, Chicago, and Paris, and now makes his home in Ithaca. His poems appear in Colorado Review, Prick of the Spindle, and The Louisiana Review. His essay on professional wrestling is forthcoming in Louisville Review. This event has been made possible in part with public funds from the Community Arts Partnership of Tompkins County / NYS Council on the Arts Decentralization Program. SOON Productions is dedicated to bringing innovative poets and writers to the Ithaca area for readings and talks. Please visit our website at http://soonproductions.org for information about the series. For more information, contact: Ron Henry SOON Productions Email: ron.henry@gmail.com Web: http://soonproductions.org ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:34:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Carol Novack Subject: Readings this Thurs, Oct 22nd (reminder to some of you) & Fri 11/6 at The KGB Bar, 7-9pm In-Reply-To: <7ee200e80910191729o3ad01a04nfdcb3514c2f4be16@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lineup for the Lineup Poems on Crime Reading: *KAREN PETERSEN*,* GERALD SO*, *JENNIFER L. KNOX, R. NARVAEZ*,* CAROL NOVACK, & ANTHONY RAINONE*. Details at http://kgbbar.com/calendar/events/lineup_poetry_reading/. ************ Lineup for the Mad Hatters' Review Poetry, Prose, & Anything Goes Mad Bunkers Launch & Frolicking S/Mashing Event: *MICKEY HESS, MARC LOWE, MARY MACKEY, JEFFERSON NAVICKY, CAROL NOVACK, & SARAH SARAI.* Details at http://kgbbar.com/calendar/events/mad_hatters_reading2/. *(to be followed by an optional feast of authentic, fabulous Chinese dishes, round table style).* * * ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:40:14 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rosalie Calabrese Subject: Reading Wednesday, October 21 at 7PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Brownstone Poets Presents =0ARosalie Calabrese, Jim Porter and Moira Smith =0Aon Wednesday,=0AOctober 21 at 7PM: =0A=0ATillies of Brooklyn =0A248 DeKalb Ave. (corner of Vanderbilt and DeKalb) =0ABrooklyn, NY 11205 Phone # (718) 783-6140 =0ATake the J, M, R or Q trains to DeKalb Avenue, the C to Lafayette, the G= =0Ato =0AClinton/Washington =0A2, 3, 4, 5 to Nevins St. =0A$3 Donation =E2=80=93 plus Food/Drink =E2=80=93 Limited Open Mic =0ACurated by Patricia Carragon email: pattiekake@earthlink.net =0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:15:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "intermedial orgiastic crossbreeding" Jim, Wow. I assume mostly behind closed doors. Ciao, Murat On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Jim Andrews wrote: > so much of online literary discourse transpires through listservs. most big > listservs, like this one, don't allow anything but plain text messages. no > pictures, no attachments, nothing but plain text. because once you allow > other stuff you open the door to the transmission of viruses among list > members. > > here we have an example of a technological constraint creating an aesthetic > constraint. once again there is a hard separation between text and image. > and a hard separation between text and any other media, for that matter. > > note i am not blaming list administrators for this. it is a technological > constraint. > > listservs are a baby step from print, then, in the sense that they cannot > participate in the intermedial orgiastic crossbreeding of media that is > occuring in many online environments. > > ja > http://vispo.com > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:30:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: drag poetry benefit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm hosting a benefit for The Global Women's Strike 11/6 in Philly details here: http://CAConradEVENTS.blogspot.com drag queen and drag king poets include: Frank Sherlock Juliana Spahr Eleanor Wilner Ebony Malaika Collier Carlos Soto Roman Janet Mason Debrah Morkun Chris Gullo -- PhillySound: new poetry http://PhillySound.blogspot.com THE BOOK OF FRANK by CAConrad http://CAConrad.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:06:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jason Harmon Subject: intentions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" =46rom remnants of my inglorious past, the absence of authorial intention= seems to be one of the tenets of deconstruction I recall. In the present,= the dialogues of authorial intention & presence/absence of the author= have recently been unavoidable, or so it seems. I am certainly drawn to the dialogue.=20 Here is where (I think, but help) the position(s) differ from my own. The= re is an (inescapable) authorial intention, because we are human, we think. Whether we think with "minds," "souls," hands, or keyboards, some construction forms, and this involves choice. Even co-opting other source= s, the action appears to require a human to which consciousness can be attributed, or at least some motivation. However, readers have their own, other intention that may (really, necessarily does) differ from the author's. I don't mind keeping the term= , author. Although the author has exactly zero more priority than any other= reader, once the work has occurred, been produced, is viewable/communicab= le. Readings, just as much as the work, are a construction that exist and can= be judged, pondered, debated, enjoyed, employed. In fact, artists can occasionally be counted on to be unreliable as a source. The reading real= ly stands or falls (on its own). It has its own intentions.=20 Any interest in discussing? These thoughts have been (de)forming and find= ing their way into my cranium. I appreciate any aid in exploding or tweaking.= Jason Harmon =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:00:18 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Al Filreis Subject: PoemTalk #24 - on Barbara Guest Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today we are releasing the 24th episode of "PoemTalk," a discussion of Barbara Guest's poem "Roses": http://poemtalkatkwh.blogspot.com/2009/10/air-for-roses-poemtalk-24.html http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/audioitem.html?id=1814 Al Filreis Kelly Professor Faculty Dir., Kelly Writers House Dir., Center for Program in Contemporary Writing University of Pennsylvania http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:30:56 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: poems up at fringe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 today!http://www.fringemagazine.org/ -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:51:08 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel In-Reply-To: <814577.55243.qm@web52402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii fuck it, i'll reply to my previous post. Mueller, for all i know, was an excellent choice. Margaret Atwood has enough prizes. As far as the noble committee looking beyond Europe, who can really tell. They made an excellent decision when they choose W Soyinka for the prize, when they finally reconized a resident of an African nation that wasn't of European ancestery. But when they give the Goddamn peace prize to a head of State, or to anyone who has the ear of the State (Kissinger), their repeating the dopey mistakes they should have learned to avoid. Eventually, they'll give the prize for peace to a pro wrestler who assumes the lotus postition when he enters the ring. I almost wonder if there's a point to giving a nobel for literature in a post literate world. ________________________________ From: steve russell To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 1:50:05 PM Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel the damn thing is a joke. if Obama can win the Nobel Peace prize, an illiterate pre-schooler may soon be nominated for the lit prize. perhaps i'm a bit cynical, but i seriously doupt that that's the case. ________________________________ From: Bobbie Lurie To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 2:15:41 PM Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel Very well put, Joel. thank you-- Bobbi Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:20:35 -0700 From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01CA4D81.2265FE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Johanna; I would add that to most of the American media it wasn't even worthwhile = investigating who Meuller is and why she won the prize. However, even = when Americans win a Nobel, it's hardly covered, as it has no = entertainment value. I think it has more to do with ignorance than = jingoism. As for not many American writers getting a Nobel in literature, we = should be more concerned with our high rate of illiteracy than with who = wins what literary prize. -Joel =20 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:02:36 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Laura Wetherington Subject: Announcing issue 4 of textsound In-Reply-To: <71b7dbd00910201351i75eafeeam383a12acbc15b4cb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Issue 4 of textsound journal is alive and kicking. Kenneth Krabat, Best Friends Forever, Brian Schorn, Austin Publicover & Joanna Fuhrman, Birdwall, Anne Waldman & Ambrose Bye, Jeremy LeClair, Laura Goldstein, and ookoi are a part of the action. From Adam Fagin's Editor's Note: "Poetry is protest; however, as evidenced by the numerous =91tea parties=92 that have recently taken shape across the US, pr= otest isn=92t always poetry...Dear listeners, I=92d like to introduce issue 4 of = * textsound* (It=92s not a privilege; it=92s your right) and welcome you to our little democracy of sound. Get it while it lasts!" Our next issue will come out in mid-November. As always, to submit, send .mp3 files directly or via file transfer system (YouSendIt, for example) to editors@textsound.org. Please include titles of pieces and a brief bio. In Silent Computer Traffic Noise, Laura Wetherington co-editor, textsound.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:33:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel In-Reply-To: <29950.57518.qm@web52402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed That's what it appears to be, all right. gb On Oct 20, 2009, at 11:51 AM, steve russell wrote: > fuck it, i'll reply to my previous post. Mueller, for all i know, > was an excellent choice. Margaret Atwood has enough prizes. As far > as the noble committee looking beyond Europe, who can really tell. > They made an excellent decision when they choose W Soyinka for the > prize, when they finally reconized a resident of an African nation > that wasn't of European ancestery. But when they give the Goddamn > peace prize to a head of State, or to anyone who has the ear of the > State (Kissinger), their repeating the dopey mistakes they should > have learned to avoid. Eventually, they'll give the prize for peace > to a pro wrestler who assumes the lotus postition when he enters > the ring. I almost wonder if there's a point to giving a nobel for > literature in a post literate world. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: steve russell > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 1:50:05 PM > Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz-- > response to Joel > > the damn thing is a joke. if Obama can win the Nobel Peace prize, > an illiterate pre-schooler may soon be nominated for the lit prize. > perhaps i'm a bit cynical, but i seriously doupt that that's the case. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bobbie Lurie > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 2:15:41 PM > Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to > Joel > > Very well put, Joel. > thank you-- > Bobbi > > > > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:20:35 -0700 > From: Joel Weishaus > Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01CA4D81.2265FE70 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Johanna; > > I would add that to most of the American media it wasn't even > worthwhile = > investigating who Meuller is and why she won the prize. However, > even = > when Americans win a Nobel, it's hardly covered, as it has no = > entertainment value. I think it has more to do with ignorance than = > jingoism. > As for not many American writers getting a Nobel in literature, we = > should be more concerned with our high rate of illiteracy than with > who = > wins what literary prize. > > -Joel =20 > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html > George Harry Bowering Younger than W.P. Kinsella ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:47:59 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark DuCharme Subject: DuCharme & Wright October 26th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "So=2C You're A Poet" Productions presents.... Monday October 26th at The Laughing Goat 1709 Pearl Street=2C Boulder=2C Colorado Mark DuCharme (author of The Found Titles Project=2C The Sensory Cabinet=2C Infinity Subs= ections=2C Cosmopolitan Tremble=2C etc.) & Laura Wright (author of Part of the Design=2C coeditor with Anne Waldman of Beats at Nar= opa=2C translator of the forthcoming Life in the Folds by Henri Michaux) Open Reading at 8 p.m. Featured Readers at 9 p.m. =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:43:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: NYC Tues./Boog City presents Peaches and Bats Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please forward ------------------ Boog City presents d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press Peaches and Bats (Portland, Ore.) This Tues., Oct. 27, 6:00 p.m. sharp, free ACA Galleries 529 W. 20th St., 5th Flr. NYC Event will be hosted by Peaches and Bats editor Sam Lohmann Featuring readings from Marcella Durand Lohmann El=E9na Rivera David Shapiro and music from Ann Adachi and friends There will be wine, cheese, and crackers, too. Curated and with an introduction by Boog City editor David Kirschenbaum ------ **Peaches and Bats http://peachbats.blogspot.com/ Peaches and Bats is a digest-sized magazine of poetry (plus occasional =20= interviews, fiction, drawings, and cross-genre work), edited and =20 assembled by Sam Lohmann in Portland, Ore. Originally an annual =20 publication, and now appearing twice a year, Peaches and Bats =20 assembles surprising combinations of innovative writing from a variety =20= of traditions and communities, stitching them by hand between =20 letterpressed covers. The current (fourth) issue features work by Tom =20= Blood, Laynie Browne, Marcella Durand, Lohmann, Jesse Morse, Mickey =20 O=92Connor, El=E9na Rivera, Andrei Sen-Senkov (translated by Zachary =20 Schomburg), David Shapiro, and Phoebe Wayne. *Performer Bios* **Ann Adachi** http://www.rasbliutto.net/concerts/eidolon.html Ann Adachi was born in New York City in 1983. She began classical =20 piano studies in Nasu, Japan, and continued lessons after moving to =20 Olympia, Wash. She studied composition at Brevard College in North =20 Carolina and Berklee College of Music in Boston. Adachi's acoustic and =20= electronic compositions are sometimes combined with performance and =20 video work. She wrote for, and performed in, the acoustic ensemble =20 Eidolon, which recently finished its residency at Lower Manhattan =20 Cultural Council=92s Swing Space program. Recordings of the ensemble are = =20 available at the above url. **Marcella Durand** http://translationworkshop.blogspot.com/ Marcella Durand is the author of, most recently, AREA (Belladonna =20 Books) and Traffic and Weather (Futurepoem books). The poems in this =20 issue are part of an ongoing collaboration with the visual artist =20 Karoline Schleh. Her blog about translation can be seen at the above =20 url. **Sam Lohmann** Sam Lohmann edits Peaches and Bats. His chapbook Onlooking is =20 forthcoming from Airfoil. **El=E9na Rivera** http://elenarivera.net/ El=E9na Rivera=92s recent publications include Mistakes, Accidents and = the =20 Want of Liberty (Barque Press) and the online chapbook, In Respect of =20= Distance (Beard of Bees). Her translation of Isabelle Baladine =20 Howald=92s book-length poem Secret of Breath is out from Burning Deck =20= Press. **David Shapiro** http://jacketmagazine.com/37/iv-shapiro-d-ivb-kent.shtml David Shapiro has published many books of poetry and art criticism, =20 including New and Selected Poems (1965-2006) from Overlook Press. An =20 extended interview by Kent Johnson is online at the above url. ---- Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is bet. 10th and 11th avenues Next event: Tues. Nov. 24 Brave Men Press (Northampton, Mass.) http://www.bravemenpress.com/ --=20 David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W. 28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://welcometoboogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) For music from Gilmore boys: http://www.myspace.com/gilmoreboysmusic= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:31:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Will Larsen Subject: Kevin Coval: an art+poetry workshop (Monday, 10/26, 7pm) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ArtShould presents: an art+poetry workshop with *Kevin Coval* Monday, October 26 @7pm 5715 S Woodlawn, Chicago IL Please join us this upcoming Monday for food and a workshop with Kevin Coval, Chicagoland poet extraordinaire. We (ArtShould) will be leading a short workshop on erasure poetry, then Kevin will give a short spiel and lead a workshop of his own. Hope to see you all there! For more info about Kevin, check out his website: http://www.kevincoval.com= / Kevin Coval is the author of everyday people (EM Press, Nov.'08) and slingshots (a hip-hop poetica) (EM Press, Nov. '05), named Book of the Year-finalist by The American Library Association. Coval's poems have appeared in The Spoken Word Revolution and The Spoken Word Revolution: Redu= x (Source Books), Total Chaos (Basic Civitas), I Speak of the City: New York City Poems (Columbia University Press), The Bandana Republic (Soft Skull Press), Chicago Tribune, Chicago Reporter, Cross Currents, Crab Orchard Review, Rattle, 2nd Ave Poetry, The Drunken Boat, and many other periodical= s and journals. Coval writes for The Huffington Post and can be heard regularly on National Public Radio in Chicago. Coval has performed on four continents in seven countries including; The Parliament of the World's Religions in Capetown, South Africa, The African Hip-Hop Festival: Battle Cry, Poetry Society of London, University of the West Indies in Jamaica, St. Xavier's College in Bombay, India, and four seasons of Russell Simmons' HBO Def Poetry Jam, for which he also served as artistic consultant. From Jan. 2006 to May 2007, Coval visited 26 states an= d more than 50 cities during the promotional tour for his first book, performing at over 150 high schools, universities, book stores, theaters, community centers and Union Halls around the country. Co-founder of Louder Than A Bomb: The Chicago Teen Poetry Festival, the largest youth poetry festival in the world, Coval is poet-in-residence at The Jane Addams=92 Hull House Museum at The University of Illinois-Chicago = and poet-in-residence at The University of Chicago=92s Newberger Hillel Center, and teaches at The School of the Art Institute in Chicago =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:42:52 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pam Brown Subject: contacts for rosmarie waldrop, stacy doris ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Poeticists, If you have an email address for Rosmarie Waldrop and/or Stacy Doris could you send it to me on the back channel please? p.brown62@gmail.com Thanks very much, Pam -- ____________________________________ blog : http://thedeletions.blogspot.com website : http://pambrownbooks.blogspot.com/ associate editor : http://jacketmagazine.com/ _____________________________________ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:18:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Fwd: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse Comments: To: ubuweb@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7098C13C7DDA4C7EB59EE6F109A0403E@Boudoir> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul Zukofsky on quoting mom & dad. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Geraldine Monk Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:07 AM Subject: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse To: BRITISH-IRISH-POETS@jiscmail.ac.uk Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:16 AM Subject: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse Check out the below and then make sure you are nice to your children! P.Z. gets more barking.=A0 I'm still alarmed about by the shtupp means - if you 'shtupp an alligator' would it be pleased to see you or not? http://www.z-site.net/copyright-notice-by-pz/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:34:49 -0400 Reply-To: Adam Tobin Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Tobin Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are we still allowed to use the letter "A"? -----Original Message----- >From: mIEKAL aND >Sent: Oct 21, 2009 9:18 AM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Fwd: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse > >Paul Zukofsky on quoting mom & dad. > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Geraldine Monk >Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:07 AM >Subject: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse >To: BRITISH-IRISH-POETS@jiscmail.ac.uk > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:16 AM >Subject: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse > >Check out the below and then make sure you are nice to your children! >P.Z. gets more barking.=C2=A0 I'm still alarmed about by the shtupp means = - >if you 'shtupp an alligator' would it be pleased to see you or not? > >http://www.z-site.net/copyright-notice-by-pz/ > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideline= s & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:41:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Paul Zukofsky sounds like a Dostoevsky character. Ciao, Murat On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:18 AM, mIEKAL aND wrote: > Paul Zukofsky on quoting mom & dad. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Geraldine Monk > Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:07 AM > Subject: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse > To: BRITISH-IRISH-POETS@jiscmail.ac.uk > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:16 AM > Subject: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse > > Check out the below and then make sure you are nice to your children! > P.Z. gets more barking. I'm still alarmed about by the shtupp means - > if you 'shtupp an alligator' would it be pleased to see you or not? > > http://www.z-site.net/copyright-notice-by-pz/ > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:22:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Are you sure this is for real? It reads very much like a parody... On the other hand everyone has all time permission to quote me at any length without further ado or attribution - Alan > Paul Zukofsky on quoting mom & dad. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Geraldine Monk > Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:07 AM > Subject: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse > To: BRITISH-IRISH-POETS@jiscmail.ac.uk > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:16 AM > Subject: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse > > Check out the below and then make sure you are nice to your children! > P.Z. gets more barking. I'm still alarmed about by the shtupp means - > if you 'shtupp an alligator' would it be pleased to see you or not? > > http://www.z-site.net/copyright-notice-by-pz/ > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:20:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: patrick dunagan Subject: Sunday Oct 26th 6pm @ Unnameable Books, Brooklyn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SUNDAY, October 25: at 6:oo pm! a reading of poems Hosted by Rachael Rakes * * * MICAH BALLARD and PATRICK DUNAGAN from San Francisco TOGETHER with JOHN COLETTI of Brooklyn * * * BIOS: Micah Ballard was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, & lives in San Francisco. Recent books include Negative Capability in the Verse of John Wieners, Bettina Coffin, Evangeline Downs, Parish Krewes, & the collaborations Death Race V.S.O.P (with Will Yackulic & Cedar Sigo). and Easy Eden (with Patrick Dunagan). From 2000-07 he directed the Humanities Program at New College of California and currently works for the MFA in Writing Program at USF. With Sunnylyn Thibodeaux he is co-editor for Auguste Press. John Coletti is the author of Physical Kind (Yo-Yo-Labs, 2005), Same Enemy Rainbow (fewer &=A0further, 2008), and Mum Halo (Rust Buckle Books, forthcoming 2009). He recently finished serving as editor of The Poetry Project Newsletter. Patrick James Dunagan lives and works in San Francisco. An essay on Creeley and Stevens is expected in Fulcrum 7, other things are forthcoming or recently appeared in Big Bell, Galatea Resurrects, House Organ, Forklift, Jacket, ON, poem, home: An Anthology of Ars Poetica, and Vanitas. Books include: Easy Eden w/ Micah Ballard,=A0 From Chansonniers, Fess Parker, Of Stone, After The Sinews, U.S.A., and The Young American Poets. (In honor of Joel Oppenheimer, a radio will likely be on hand for football enthusiasts) *** Sunday October 25 at 6 pm At Unnameable Books Prospect Heights 600 Vanderbilt Ave (between Dean St & St Marks Ave) Brooklyn, NY 11238 (718) 789-1534 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:29:29 +0200 Reply-To: argotist@fsmail.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: John Siddique interview at The Argotist Online Comments: To: British Poetics , Poetryetc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Siddique interviewed by Ami Kaye http://www.argotistonline.co.uk/Siddique%20interview.htm ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:38:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Camille Martin Subject: UK / Ireland reading series? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 I'll be in the UK and possibly also Ireland in early May 2010, and would ap= preciate any suggestions for reading series that I might attend / participa= te in. Thanks! Camille Camille Martin http://www.camillemartin.ca http://rogueembryo.wordpress.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:28:22 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pam Brown Subject: thanks I have the emails MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks everyone, I have contacts for S Doris & R Waldrop now All the best, Pam -- ____________________________________ blog : http://thedeletions.blogspot.com website : http://pambrownbooks.blogspot.com/ associate editor : http://jacketmagazine.com/ _____________________________________ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:30:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Kerouac died 40 years ago today In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 In case you are interested=2C a piece from the=20 Guardian and a new DVD about Big Sur =20 http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog/2009/oct/21/jack-kerouac =20 http://www.wired.com/underwire/2009/10/kerouac-big-sur-documentary/ = =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:51:26 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Scott Howard Subject: Book Reviewer Sought MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RECONFIGURATIONS: A Journal for Poetics & Poetry / Literature & Culture, ISSN: 1938-3592, http://reconfigurations.blogspot.com/ . . . is looking for someone to review: * Lisa Samuels' _Tomorrowland_. Exeter, UK: Shearsman Books, 2009. [poetry] We usually ask for book reviews to be between 1,000 and 1,500 words in length. Manuscripts will be due November 16. RECONFIGURATIONS is an open-access, peer-reviewed, MLA-indexed and EBSCO distributed electronic journal for poetics and poetry, creative and scholarly writing, innovative and traditional concerns with literary arts and cultural studies. If you're interested in writing this review, reply to: showard@du.edu /// ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:50:48 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 he quoted ee cummings, who has another famously tight literary estate -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:02:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: BlazeVOX [books] makes it into Poets & Writers !!! Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Small Press Points NEWS AND TRENDS November/December 2009 Small Press Points highlights the happenings of the small press players. This issue features BlazeVOX Books in Buffalo. TAGS: independent/small presses =20 http://www.pw.org/content/small_press_points_34 =20 A couple of years ago Geoffrey Gatza was in Buffalo, attending a conference devoted to the work of Charles Olson, when he had a chance to talk with poe= t Anne Waldman. Gatza, who launched the online journal BlazeVOX in 2000, and four years later, the small press BlazeVOX Books in Buffalo, was lamenting the fact that the press wasn't attracting more women writers. By that point, BlazeVOX Books had published about thirty titles=8Bonly three of which were written by women. "Even though that include= d two books nominated for Lambda Literary Awards, I wanted to be a more responsible editor," Gatza says. "So Anne offered the wonderful advice to place a note [on the Web site] to let women know in advance that their voices are appreciated." Evidently it worked. Among the press's new and forthcoming books are titles by Marcia Roberts, Amy King, Celia Gilbert, Sarah Sarai, Florine Melnyk, Jessica Baron, Sally Ashton, Elizabeth Hatmaker, and others. BlazeVOX Books is currently accepting submissions of poetry and fiction; guidelines are available on the Web site. =20 =20 --=20 =20 Best, Geoffrey =20 Geoffrey Gatza Editor & Publisher ------------------------------------- BlazeVOX [ books ] Publisher of weird little books -------------------------------------- =20 editor@blazevox.org http://www.blazevox.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:29:28 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Ball Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I may only be quoted if the quotes are attributed to Shakespeare instead of me. But seriously, if PZ wants to make some money from dear ol' dad's literary leavings, as he proclaims he does, he should do less to discourage scholarship. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote: > Are you sure this is for real? It reads very much like a parody... > On the other hand everyone has all time permission to quote me at any > length without further ado or attribution > > - Alan > > > > Paul Zukofsky on quoting mom & dad. > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Geraldine Monk > > Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:07 AM > > Subject: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse > > To: BRITISH-IRISH-POETS@jiscmail.ac.uk > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:16 AM > > Subject: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse > > > > Check out the below and then make sure you are nice to your children! > > P.Z. gets more barking. I'm still alarmed about by the shtupp means - > > if you 'shtupp an alligator' would it be pleased to see you or not? > > > > http://www.z-site.net/copyright-notice-by-pz/ > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Dr. Jonathan Ball, Ph.D. (English) Sessional Instructor University of Manitoba University of Winnipeg www.jonathanball.com =93If someone tells you writing is easy, he is either lying or I hate him.= =94 -- Farley Mowat =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:23:23 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Philip Meersman Subject: Re: Visual Poetry In-Reply-To: <3662C93624794805A26A07C36D079CF1@allans> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan,that is interesting information. One wouldn't expect that from abstract expressionists I think, although some of later Dada and also Cobra-work can also be put within this framework, come to think of it. There is one of the Belgian Neo-Symbolists who makes his paintings like a plotter. He seems to write line after line a sort of non-existing language and builds his paintings like that. I'm very bad at names, I need to get back to you with his name later, but those are also boundary spaces within my study that I need to define. I think this idea to write a definition and a history of Visual Poetry will be a bigger assignment than this bachelorpaper, I'm affraid (or not). I'm also mostly interested in the boundaries of different art forms and to see how one has an influence on the other or how they evolve both into something new. Thanks again for the useful information and I will get back on this and other topics later. Kind regards, Philip On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Allan Revich wrot= e: > Hi Philip, > > > > I think that this is where the Intermedia aspect of Fluxus =93kicks in=94= . The > things that I find most interesting exist in the arts are in the boundary > spaces where media, memes, and ideas interesect. > > One artist who seems too often overlooked as a visual poet is Cy Twombly. > His paintings have the aggressive stance of the abstract expressionists w= ho > were/are his contemporaries, but his work also appears as asemic writing > writ=92 large. It=92s almost as though the paintings exist as giant Abstr= act > Expressionist works on gallery walls, but as intimate visual poems in > printed reproduction. > > > > Allan Revich > > http://www.digitalsalon.com > > > > _____ > > From: Philip Meersman [mailto:philip.meersman@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:32 AM > To: Allan Revich > Subject: Re: Visual Poetry > > > > Dear Allan, > > indeed an interesting point. Hence also the introduction of Magritte in > this > historical part together with the Dadaists and the Cobra movement. But > indeed perhaps the question and research about and towards contemporary > artists needs to be included in a way. > > The border between language of poetry and the images of the artist is > something that is for me one of the reasons to start this bachelor paper > topic. > > > > Hoping to have more discussions and thank you for your contribution. > > Hope to write you soon again, > > > > Philip > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Allan Revich > wrote: > > I really like that explanation Lily. > > I would add a different dimension too. Your note provides a very thoughtf= ul > summary of visual poetry from the poetics approach, i.e. how a poet moves > into the realm of visual communication. For me, the special beauty of > Visual > Poetry is that it is equally approachable from the other direction, as > visual artists move into the realm of language and poetry. > > So, while we have poets who start with text and move towards concrete > poetry, typeface patterning, and text-based visual work, we have artists > creating visual work that is based on how language appears on the page... > things like glyphs and ascemic writing. > > Allan Revich > http://www.digitalsalon.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of lily robert-foley > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:12 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Visual Poetry > > Dear Philip, > > I've been following the discussion a bit about visual and concrete poetry= . > I sometimes work in that medium-not because there is something special > about > visual poetry that attracts me but rather because of my theoretical > interests, or perhaps my methodological ones. I happened upon visual > poetry > (making it), very young, before I knew there were other people doing > anything like it besides Apollinaire and Oulipo and it happened rather ou= t > of a motivation towards expression (or towards undoing expression) than > towards an aesthetic elan so to speak. > > I can't speak for all visual poets, but I do think something that is > sometimes shared among visual poets is the interest to undo or redo > language > and the way it expresses. Language-in traditional linguistics and > philosophy, and even in literature-is often seen has having a kind of > "top-side" and "underside" or an "inside" and an "outside" or "form" and > "content" or what have you. This can be theorized in many ways (and wi= th > many different kinds of vocabulary over the years) but I suppose the way = I > usually think about it (you're probably familiar with these ideas and I > hope > I'm not insulting you by reiterating them) is that you have the word or t= he > phrase or the letter or whatever "unit" of language you're working with > (sometimes visual poets work with uncommon "units" too, or non-units, ha) > and then you have whatever it refers to. And so language is split. A pa= rt > of it is tangible and a part of it is not: a part of it present, and a > part > absent. Saussure would call this signifier and signified, but when it > comes to poetry that terminology I believe is severely limited (especiall= y > as far as visual poetry is concerned). I also think this idea is often > present in the study of "poetics" whatever that is. > > I think visual poetry often expresses an interest in making poetry with t= he > materiality of language, both or sometimes as a way of moving the medium = of > language closer to something material, like paint, or clay, but also > sometimes as a way of unveiling or experimenting with the ways that > "expression" and "material" may be conceived as happening in the same > gesture, and in a way enact very literally an undoing of this dichotomy > within language that is more than a little problematic and probably is no= t > a > very accurate way of understanding language scientifically (among other > things). And experimenting with language in other ways too of course. > > I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I started doing visual poetry no= t > only as a way of making new poetry but also as a way of understanding > language in a new way, and this may be something common with other visual > poets (although perhaps not all). > > Feel free to email me if you want to talk more about this: > lilyrobertfoley@graffiti.net. I am at University of Paris 8 doing a > doctorate in literature on Beckett, Bolano and Derrida, so it could be > interesting to be in contact. > > Thanks, > > Lily > > -- > Powered By Outblaze > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > -- > Philip Meersman > A. Lynenstraat 25 bus 3 > 1210 St-Joost-ten-Noode > Belgium > tel+32 (0)476 576 287 > www.myspace.com/spooninmybrain > www.facebook.com/spooninmybrain > www.youtube.com/spooninmybrain > skype: Spooninmybrain > philip.meersman@gmail.com > > www.poetasdelmundo.com/verInfo_europa.asp?ID=3D4337 > 17/07/09-28/07/09: poezie@GhentinCap: (www.kunstvogel.be/ghentincap.htm) > 27/09/09: Vlaams Slam & BruSlam @ 24h Slam de Liege > (www.myspace.com/24hslam) > 30/09/09-04/10/09: 1st European Poetry Slam Event, Berlin > (www.european-poetryslam.org) > 09/10/09: Skype performance @ MHO_Save the Poetry in Venice, Venice > Biennale > > 21/10/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) > 23/10/09: BruSlam @ Bruxelles Mosa=EFque (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) > 13-15/11/09: Festival Flamme, Amn=E9ville les Thermes, France > 21/11/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) > 21/12/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Lynenstraat 25 bus 3 1210 St-Joost-ten-Noode Belgium tel+32 (0)476 576 287 www.myspace.com/spooninmybrain www.facebook.com/spooninmybrain www.youtube.com/spooninmybrain skype: Spooninmybrain philip.meersman@gmail.com www.poetasdelmundo.com/verInfo_europa.asp?ID=3D4337 17/07/09-28/07/09: poezie@GhentinCap: (www.kunstvogel.be/ghentincap.htm) 27/09/09: Vlaams Slam & BruSlam @ 24h Slam de Liege (www.myspace.com/24hsla= m ) 30/09/09-04/10/09: 1st European Poetry Slam Event, Berlin ( www.european-poetryslam.org) 09/10/09: Skype performance @ MHO_Save the Poetry in Venice, Venice Biennal= e 21/10/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 23/10/09: BruSlam @ Bruxelles Mosa=EFque (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 13-15/11/09: Festival Flamme, Amn=E9ville les Thermes, France 21/11/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) 21/12/09: BruSlam, GalerY, Bxl (http://bruslam.over-blog.com) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:32:39 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: SEAGUE this SATURDAY! Wagner and King invade Bob Holman's apartment! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SEGUE READING SERIES @ BOWERY POETRY CLUBOct 24: Catherine Wagner & Amy Kin= g -- this is the event that will be held at 310 Bowery (Bob Holman=E2=80=99= s apartment) instead:Catherine Wagner=E2=80=99s new book,=C2=A0My New Job, = is forthcoming. She is also the author of=C2=A0Macular Hole=C2=A0and=C2=A0M= iss America.=C2=A0Recent chapbooks include=C2=A0Articulate How,=C2=A0Hole i= n the Ground, and=C2=A0Bornt. She is a faculty member in the MA program in = creative writing at Miami University in Ohio.=C2=A0Amy King=C2=A0is the aut= hor of=C2=A0I=E2=80=99m the Man Who Loves You,=C2=A0Antidotes for an Alibi,= and=C2=A0The People Instruments. Forthcoming,=C2=A0Slaves to Do These Thin= gsand=C2=A0I Want to Make You Safe. =C2=A0Please visithttp://amyking.org=C2= =A0for more.All readings* take place at:=C2=A0Bowery Poetry Club308 BoweryN= ew York, New York 10012Ph: 212-614-0505Price: 6 dollarsEvent days/times: Sa= turdays, 4-6 pm=C2=A0=C2=A0*Except for the reading on Saturday, Oct 24, whi= ch will take place at 310 Bowery instead.=C2=A0=C2=A0 _______ NEW BOOK Slaves to Do These Things=C2=A0-- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm=C2=A0= =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:36:25 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: BlazeVOX [books] makes it into Poets & Writers !!! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's about time! =C2=A0Long deserved and well earned - congratulations, Geo= ffrey! =C2=A0 _______ NEW BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm=C2=A0 --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Geoffrey Gatza wrote: Small Press Points NEWS AND TRENDS November/December 2009 Small Press Points highlights the happenings of the small press players. This issue features BlazeVOX Books in Buffalo. TAGS: independent/small presses =20 http://www.pw.org/content/small_press_points_34 =20 A couple of years ago Geoffrey Gatza was in Buffalo, attending a conference devoted to the work of Charles Olson, when he had a chance to talk with poe= t Anne Waldman. Gatza, who launched the online journal BlazeVOX in 2000, and four years later, the small press BlazeVOX Books =C2= =A0 in Buffalo, was lamenting the fact that the press wasn't attracting more women writers. By that point, BlazeVOX Books had published about thirty titles=E2=80=B9only three of which were written by women. "Even though that= included two books nominated for Lambda Literary Awards, I wanted to be a more responsible editor," Gatza says. "So Anne offered the wonderful advice to place a note [on the Web site] to let women know in advance that their voices are appreciated." Evidently it worked. Among the press's new and forthcoming books are titles by Marcia Roberts, Amy King, Celia Gilbert, Sarah Sarai, Florine Melnyk, Jessica Baron, Sally Ashton, Elizabeth Hatmaker, and others. BlazeVOX Books is currently accepting submissions of poetry and fiction; guidelines are available on the Web site. =20 =20 --=20 =20 Best, Geoffrey =20 Geoffrey Gatza Editor &=C2=A0 Publisher ------------------------------------- =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0BlazeVOX [ books ] Publisher of weird little books -------------------------------------- =20 editor@blazevox.org http://www.blazevox.org =0A=0A__________________________________________________=0ADo You Yahoo!?= =0ATired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around =0Ahttp:= //mail.yahoo.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:06:14 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Subject: New Orleans ROCKPILE-- 2 Great Events!!! Comments: To: walterblue@bigbridge.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Orleans is the 3rd stop on the ROCKPILE tour! Friday, October 23, 7-12pm: ROCKPILE Workshop and Poetry and Music Open = Mic Jam Session =20 An open conversation with David Meltzer, Michael Rothenberg, Terri = Carrion, and Bill Lavender... "Poetry & Music & the Troubadour = Tradition, Art, Activism, Collaboration & the Source of Creation." = followed by an open mic jam session of poetry and music. Refreshments Bob's Studio 3027 Chartres Street=20 New Orleans, LA Admission Free =20 Sun, October 25th ROCKPILE PERFORMANCE: New Orleans=20 David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg and Blodie with members of The = Dirty Dozen Brass Band including Gregory Davis (trumpet), Roger Lewis = (bari sax), Terence Higgins (drums), Julius McKee (sousaphone), Jacob = Eckert (guitar)=20 Zeitgeist Multi-Disciplinary Arts Center 1618 Oretha Castle Haley Blvd. New Orleans, Louisiana 70113 (504) 827-5858 or (504) 352-1150 www.zeitgeistinc.net=20 8pm-10pm=20 all events are by donation - $7 general / $6 students & seniors / $5 = Zeitgeist members /Patrons & Children 15 and under free (unless = otherwise indicated). ROCKPILE is a collaboration between David Meltzer, legendary poet, = musician, and essayist, and Michael Rothenberg, poet, songwriter and = editor of Big Bridge Press. In the tradition of the troubadour and with = the spirit of improvisation and collaboration, the poets will journey = through eight U.S. cities and perform poetry, composed on the road, in a = spontaneous fusion, with local musicians in each city. =20 Log on to www.bigbridge.org/rockpile for tour dates & daily blog updates = with video and more! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:01:33 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: editor@KAURAB.COM Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Did you mean Andrzej Wajda? He did receive a honorary Oscar for lifetime achievements in 2000/2001. Sorry to say this - To the educated art-cinema student, however, the Oscars have hardly meant anything meaningful. The whole foundation of the Academy's appreciation and understanding of cinema is errored. Aryanil ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Weiss To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Foreign_Language_Film. USSR and Russia, listed separately: 4. On the other hand, Poland has never received a nomination. One would think Andrej Wayda (Sp?) would have received a nod. Mark At 01:27 PM 10/14/2009, you wrote: >Well, Mr. Bowering, on this particular slippery slope, you're one >step short of (overrated Nobel laureate) Saul Bellow's "Show me the >Zulu Tolstoy!" In any case, I bet there have been some Russian >films that have won Best Foreign Picture in the Academy Awards. And >are you saying, "Well, these Africans, they just lack skills in >chemistry, otherwise they would SURELY, in the objective world of >the Nobel Committtees and the level playing field from which these >committees operate, have cleaned up on the prize front ages ago"? > >Interesting how some other comments have claimed the status of >oppressed group based on their European ancestry. Maybe they should >read "Discourse on Colonialism" by a great poet who (probably >because of this text) never won the Nobel. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: George Bowering >Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:19 pm >Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature prize >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > > On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Christopher Leland Winks wrote: > > > > > How many people speak Chinese? Well then,. how many Nobel > > > Laureates from China have there been? How many Latin Americans? > > > > > (Not many.) How many Brazilians? How many from South Asia? How > > > > > many from sub-Saharan Africa who don't happen to be white (so there > > > > > go Lessing, Gordimer, and Coetzee)? How many Arabs? (Only Mahfouz.) > > > > > > Eurocentrism dies hard. > > > > > Oh, this is well-reasoned. > > And it applies to the other Nobel prizes as well. > > How many sub-Saharan Africans have won the Nobel prize for chemistry > > > > or physics? > > > > Or the other prizes. > > How many Russians have won the Academy Awards? > > > > > > > > George Bowering, esq. > > Not a morning kind of guy. > > > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). Forthcoming in November 2009. http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:59:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Bobbie Lurie Subject: Nobel Prize in 1964--response to Herta Mueller 2009 thread--to Steve In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve (Poet in Hell--I am also a poet in hell)-- This was refreshing to read. Thought I'd paste below. (from Writer's Alman= ac) Bobbi =20 On this day in 1964, Jean-Paul Sartre (books by this author) declined the= Nobel Prize in literature. He was the first person in history to voluntar= ily and unrelentingly refuse a Nobel Prize.=20 =20 Sartre had announced that he did not wish to receive the prize. When he le= arned that he was being seriously considered, he wrote to the Nobel Instit= ute asking that his name be removed from the list of candidates, saying th= at he wouldn't accept the prize if it were given to him. But the Swedish= Academy had decided, and they gave him the prize anyway, noting in their= citation: "The fact that he has declined this distinction does not in the= least modify the validity of the award." Later, a Swedish Academy spokesm= an said that even if he didn't collect the money, Sartre would be a Nobel= laureate, and that "the academy is guided not by a possible winner's wish= es but by the decision of its members."=20 =20 Sartre had not wanted to cause a scandal by declining the prize, nor did= he want to offend the Swedish Academy, which had chosen him. After it was= awarded, he prepared a statement noting that he always turned down "offic= ial distinctions." It was his belief, he said, that "a writer must refuse= to allow himself to be transformed into an institution, even if it takes= place in the most honorable form." He said that it wasn't fair to the rea= der if he carried the authority of an institution along with his name. He= pointed out, "It is not the same thing if I sign Jean-Paul Sartre or if= I sign Jean-Paul Sartre, Noble Prize winner." Sartre had previously turne= d down his home country's highest accolade, the French Legion of Honor, an= d he'd also declined a tenured teaching position at the prestigious Coll= =C3=A8ge de France. The Nobel Prize came with a large chunk of money (it= was $53,000 in 1964; today it's about one million dollars), which Sartre= =E2=80=94 who was not at all rich =E2=80=94 had to forgo when he declined= the prize.=20 =20 Sartre said, "If literature isn't everything, it's not worth a single hour= of someone's trouble."=20 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:51:08 -0700 From: steve russell Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Jo= el fuck it, i'll reply to my previous post. Mueller, for all i know, was an= =20 excellent choice. Margaret Atwood has enough prizes. As far as the noble= =20 committee looking beyond Europe, who can really tell. They made an excelle= nt=20 decision when they choose W Soyinka for the prize, when they finally recon= ized a=20 resident of an African nation that wasn't of European ancestery. But when= they=20 give the Goddamn peace prize to a head of State, or to anyone who has the= ear of=20 the State (Kissinger), their repeating the dopey mistakes they should have= =20 learned to avoid. Eventually, they'll give the prize for peace to a pro wr= estler=20 who assumes the lotus postition when he enters the ring. I almost wonder= if=20 there's a point to giving a nobel for literature in a post literate world.= =20 ________________________________ From: steve russell To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 1:50:05 PM Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Jo= el the damn thing is a joke. if Obama can win the Nobel Peace prize, an illit= erate=20 pre-schooler may soon be nominated for the lit prize. perhaps i'm a bit cy= nical,=20 but i seriously doupt that that's the case.=20 ________________________________ From: Bobbie Lurie To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 2:15:41 PM Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel Very well put, Joel. thank you-- Bobbi Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:20:35 -0700 From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=3D_NextPart_000_00E1_01CA4D81.2265FE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Johanna; I would add that to most of the American media it wasn't even worthwhile= =3D investigating who Meuller is and why she won the prize. However, even =3D when Americans win a Nobel, it's hardly covered, as it has no =3D entertainment value. I think it has more to do with ignorance than =3D jingoism. As for not many American writers getting a Nobel in literature, we =3D should be more concerned with our high rate of illiteracy than with who = =3D wins what literary prize. -Joel =3D20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:39:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: poet Eileen Myles has... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 poet Eileen Myles has... ...interviewed me for The Poetry Foundation on my new book The Book of Frank. You can see the interview here: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/article.html?id=237974&page=1 Hope you enjoy, and thanks, CAConrad -- PhillySound: new poetry http://PhillySound.blogspot.com THE BOOK OF FRANK by CAConrad http://CAConrad.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:15:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: ... at the cliffs of Moher MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _______________ SALMON POETRY (of Knockeven at the Cliffs of Moher in County Clare, Ireland) invites you to celebrate the publication of the book POETRY : Reading it, Writing it, Publishing it http://www.salmonpoetry.com/poetry.html The event will take place on Tuesday, the 27th of October at 7:00 p.m. in Chapters Bookstore, Parnell Street, Dublin 1, Ireland. Readers for the evening, introduced by Jessie Lendennie, will be Celia de Fr=E9ine, Seamus Cashman, Nessa O=92Mahony, Maurice Harmon, Joan McBreen, & Anne Fitzgerald. This unusual volume consists of a number of essays by a range of poets; some run small presses or micro presses, some host writing workshops or organize reading series, some hold academic posts. Jessie Lendennie, the editor, wrote: "All are totally engrossed in the world of contemporary poetry. I wanted an international perspective so the contributors come from Ireland, Canada, Africa, Australia, Britain, & the U.S." To purchase the book, go to ... http://www.salmonpoetry.com/poetry.html For additional information, go to ... http://www.salmonpoetry.com/ Questions may be sent to ... bookshop@salmonpoetry.com In simplicity, S=E9amas Cain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com _______________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:08:23 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think that this may be true, but are we sure it is true? Is some of the bitterness coming from his having been in an academic environment? Is some of it because literary types might not know as much about getting permissions for musical performance -- not know about this as much as musicians? On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Jonathan Ball wrote: > I may only be quoted if the quotes are attributed to Shakespeare instead of > me. But seriously, if PZ wants to make some money from dear ol' dad's > literary leavings, as he proclaims he does, he should do less to discourage > scholarship. > -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:05:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, yes, Louis Zukofsky (who is not an ass) quoted hundreds of other writers in Bottom on Shakespeare. While it is true that these works were generally no longer under copyright protection, it does indicate how far Paul Zukofsky's spirit is from the source. -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Sondheim Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:23 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse Are you sure this is for real? It reads very much like a parody... On the other hand everyone has all time permission to quote me at any length without further ado or attribution - Alan > Paul Zukofsky on quoting mom & dad. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Geraldine Monk > Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:07 AM > Subject: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse > To: BRITISH-IRISH-POETS@jiscmail.ac.uk > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:16 AM > Subject: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse > > Check out the below and then make sure you are nice to your children! > P.Z. gets more barking. I'm still alarmed about by the shtupp means - > if you 'shtupp an alligator' would it be pleased to see you or not? > > http://www.z-site.net/copyright-notice-by-pz/ > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:44:20 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: charles alexander Subject: chax events & books Comments: To: pog@yahoogroups.com, pogdirs@googlegroups.com, margepell@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Hello everyone, The Oct 30 Chax Press & VOICES, Inc. benefit event is now up on the Chax Press web site. Also, new chax press books and a chapbook are now posted on the chax web site -- books by Jane Sprague, Jonathan Rothschild, Linh Dinh, and chapbook by Leonard Schwartz. All of these books are now available! Please visit the site at http://chax.org/ Thank you! charles alexander chax@theriver.com chax press / poetry & the book arts 411 n seventh ave ste 103 / tucson, az 85705-8388 presenting Linh Dinh, Steph Balzer, and Jonathan Rothschild on Oct 30 2009 Jane Sprague & Kate Greenstreet on Nov 4 2009 Ron Silliman & Marilyn Crispell on Jan 30 2010 DONATE TO CHAX PRESS at http://chax.org/donate.htm ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:42:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Brian Cassidy, Bookseller ABAA" Subject: Berrigan Query MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hoping to probe the wisdom of the group... I'm looking for a Ted Berrigan poem that I remember only vaguely (and indeed, may be misremembering). But as I recall, it's a piece in a similar style to his "10 Things I Do Every Day," but in this case it's a list of things that are better/worse than poetry. May possibly also be a section of a longer poem. Ring any bells for anyone? Thanks in advance. Best, Brian Cassidy brian cassidy, bookseller po box 11265 takoma park, md 20913 (301) 244-8868 books@briancassidy.net http://www.briancassidy.net Member: ABAA, ILAB, IOBA ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:54:53 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pam Brown Subject: calling a book reviewer for Jacket magazine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear poetry listees, Please contact me on the backchannel - p.brown62@gmail.com if you would like to write a review of this new book of poetry for Jacket magazine : Maged Zaher: Portrait of the Poet as an Engineer. (77pages) (Pressed Wafer, 2009) Information on Maged Zaher : http://jacketmagazine.com/36/egyptian-poets.shtml http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Zaher.php Information on the publisher, William Corbett's imprint 'Pressed Wafer' http://pressed-wafer.blogspot.com Thanks, Pam Brown -- ____________________________________ blog : http://thedeletions.blogspot.com website : http://pambrownbooks.blogspot.com/ associate editor : http://jacketmagazine.com/ _____________________________________ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:30:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Grant Jenkins Subject: Paul Zukofsky Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear List, Scholars like Mark Scroggins or Stephen Fredman can better speak to Paul Zukofsky=B9s seriousness in controlling his father=B9s literary estate than I, but just from my knowledge of the history of his attitude towards using LZ=B9= s material, this letter on Z-site is probably legit. In the interest of Fair Use and academic freedom, however, I urge all scholars and writers interested in working on Louis Zukofsky to defy his son=B9s fatwa, as a matter of principle, while remaining within the bounds of Fair Use. Despite his threats, he can=B9t sue everybody and probably wouldn=B9= t win even if he did. Grant Matthew Jenkins, Assoc. Prof. Director of the Writing Program Director of African American Studies Faculty of English Language and Literature The University of Tulsa Tulsa, OK 74104 918.631.2573 grant-jenkins@utulsa.edu =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:52:39 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rachel Loden Subject: Kate Greenstreet, Anna Leahy, & Rachel Loden in Santa Cruz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Come check us out and say hello if you're in the Santa Cruz area! Kate Greenstreet, Anna Leahy, and Rachel Loden Sunday, October 25 A New Cadence Series http://anewcadence.blogspot.com/ Felix Kulpa Gallery 107 Elm Street (behind Streetlight Records) Santa Cruz, CA 7:30 p.m. Info: jamaughn at cabrillo.edu Kate Greenstreet's second book, The Last 4 Things, is new from Ahsahta Press and includes a DVD containing two short films. Ahsahta published Greenstreet's case sensitive in 2006. She is also the author of three chapbooks, most recently This is why I hurt you (Lame House Press, 2008). Find her new work in current or forthcoming issues of jubilat, Fence, VOLT, the Denver Quarterly, Court Green, and other journals. More at http://www.kickingwind.com/ Anna Leahy is the winner of the 2006 Stan and Tom Wick Poetry Prize for her book, Constituents of Matter, published by The Kent State University Press. Leahy has two chapbooks: Turns about a Point and Hagioscope. Her poetry appears in journals such as the Connecticut Review, Crab Orchard Review, The Journal, and Phoebe. She teaches and coordinates the Tabula Poetica reading series at Chapman University. More at http://www.amleahy.com/index.html Rachel Loden is the author of Dick of the Dead, which came out in May. Her first book, Hotel Imperium, was selected as one of the ten best poetry books of the year by the San Francisco Chronicle. Honors include two appearances in the Best American Poetry series, a Pushcart Prize, an &NOW Award, a fellowship from the California Arts Council, and a grant from the Fund for Poetry. More: http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu/books/loden/loden.htm ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:02:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: Last Call to Advertise in Boog City 60 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please forward ------------------ Advertise in Boog City 60 featuring Urban Folk 22 **Deadlines** =97Space Reservations-Email to reserve ad space ASAP =97Tues. Nov. 3-Submit Ad or Ad Materials =97Wed. Nov. 11-Distribute Paper This is a quick note to see if you=92d like to advertise and reach our =20= readership. (Donations are also cool, way cool.) 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Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W. 28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://welcometoboogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664)= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:35:11 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: susan maurer Subject: review of Perfect Dark ,Susan Maurer Comments: To: amy holman , carnealian@aol.com, danes212@aol.com, "evaslam@netzero.net" , "gunn312@juno.com" , ian@princetonconservation.org, jmoylecats@aol.com, joy elliot , Joy Elliott , kathe wallace , kathe@kathewallace.com, Lidia Rozdilsky , Mike Wallace , patricia carragon , rigel Klingman , roxy533@yahoo.com, "vap313@juno.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peering Through Perfect Dark: New Poems by Susan Maurer In PERFECT DARK (ungovernable press=2C 2009)=2C a new collection of poems S= usan Maurer=2C the urban dilemma that is New York is told in fine style=2C = offering up poem after poem with the kind of duality that satisfies and tan= talizes readers. There's fine understated humor in many of the poems=2C whi= ch softens the otherwise urbane voice -- one part wary and another part ear= nestly yearning. It is this combination of vulnerability of the heart and t= oughness of spirit that results in a compelling volume with fabulous range.= =20 Some of Maurer=92s poems are ineluctably of the moment=2C seeming to have b= een traced in a foggy train window and glimpsed in passing as we hurry by. = Like BLUE CHALK LINE=2C at once suggestive of the emotive moment and dismis= sive of it:=20 "He wrote on the brick wall in blue chalk 'I know who wrote this.' Well I know who wrote this and you know who's reading this and that takes care of that." In the poem WITH THE UNBEARABLES=2C by contrast=2C we are rushed along pell= -mell with the high intensity crowd -- stretching our legs and striding ene= rgetically=2C Frank O'Hara style=2C through the New York City streets. "I notice I am running and the red dirt hits my Reeboks Up or down=2C I'm baffled=2C go for up I stumble to the crosswalk=2C see no clumps of people=2C ask The first man sitting and the man who's sitting next to him Tells me it's on further and yes=2C they do want readers" There is a nuanced balance going on here between eagerness to experience th= e world and desire to maintain crowd control. We=92re offered up a kind of = innocence in the face of it all: "She made this cap/unafraid of the city's = lingering threat=2C/was not troubled by thoughts of mutability=2C/of how th= is ephemeral thing would fare 5 years from now" writes Maurer in CORONA.=20 There is also a wry kind of cynicism=2C which only partly masks the underly= ing passion of the speaker=2C as in this couplet which concludes JARDIN CRE= PUSCLE: "The death penalty comes back on Monday/I guess I'll wear black". O= r in the opening lines from TO PAUL CLAUDEL BEFORE I FOUND OUT HE WAS AN AN= TI-SEMITE AND TURNED IN THE PLANE TICKET. "Claudel=2C Claudel=2C Paul=2C Paul=2C cent phrases pour l'eventails. You have cured me of the sea but fanned from a cinder to a torrid blaze my love for you. I'm saying this book is S O beau ti ful=2C I'm afraid it might fly away. And you=2C Paul=2C I love you for your poetry. But I hope your teeth aren't bad." True to their urbane nature=2C Maurer's characters are equally unafraid to = cut off a potential moment of intimacy in a New York minute. It is this tentative place she defines -- between the fully realized human = being living just below the surface of the urban defensive shell -- which m= akes Susan Maurer's poems so poignant and winning. Time and time again we a= re offered characters torn between the desire for human connection and puzz= lement over how to remain safe while achieving it -- perfectly enunciated i= n the anecdotal CALLING BILL KUSHNER=2C one of her strongest poems from the= collection=2C=20 "And so we collaborated. He did one line and I did another. I wanted to look down his throat to see where some of them came from. I mean how'd he come up with them? And he was mad at me sometimes 'cause he didn't think of some lines I did. I was honored. It was so intimate I wasn't sure we should be doing this." One almost wants to cry out with the same perplexity: 'yes=2C you SHOULD be= doing this=2C Sue =96 no=2C no=2C you should NOT be!' The ability to enunciate the dilemma of possessing a human heart in the tre= acherous urban environment is one of the hallmarks of New York poetry -- an= d in PERFECT DARK=2C Sue Maurer's got it in spades. There are vignettes and= anecdotes of experiences from Mozambique to Tallahassee=2C as befits a glo= be-trotting Manhattanite. But whether it's at home or abroad=2C we are conf= ronted with experiences and environs that both entice us and warn us away. = PERFECT DARK is a world where a back yard is a 'concentration camp for drun= ks=2C' people with Walkmen in their ears 'deaf to their own drama=2C' and s= ome kind of 'Guantanamo on the Hudson.' Even the butterflies become 'colors= /fraught with wings.' The whole question of selfhood in the tumult of stimuli can lead to a viole= nt clipped and yet captivating directness=2C as in DREAM ADDICT "I've been having to look at a number of faces that will no longer look at me. Ocatillo living fence=2C what the blue turtles like. I can smell snow=2C the brilliance of what is left unsaid. You hope the clown distracts the bull. Where's the who. There's no who. Horse of a different color. Same fucking ride. Glass beast. Mud garden. Ecstatic devouring. My body is a foreign country." If in the end it is about survival=2C Maurer poses for her readers a profou= nd question -- what it is that is worth surviving for. Throughout PERFECT D= ARK=2C we are reminded that there is beauty yet to be found within people a= nd things=2C if we can just safely find our way through-- something inside = that continues to offer enthrallment=2C and remains worth fighting for. "Th= ey are not the correct colors/it's o.k. to admire like/taupe and beige. The= se are Day-Gloes=2C/gawked at=2C cheap=2C carnival=2C/ what one doesn't lik= e" she writes=2C in ZINC: FRANKLIN AND OGDENBERG NJ.=20 Yet rocks=2C she reminds us=2C "have secret/lives=2C fluoresce=2C have/doub= le selves=2C turn from ordinary stone/to Day-Glo slash=2C or hot coal orang= e" and in the end=2C we want like the author to succumb to their beauty: "I gawk. I love them=2C in the same category of miracle as eggs which stand on end at equinox." =20 George Wallace is the Poet Laureate of Suffolk County. =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=3DPID24727::T:= WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:59:05 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: { brad brace } Subject: this way the year 2027 Comments: To: nettime announce , fluxlist@yahoogroups.com, ART-ALL@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, webartery Comments: cc: Art Criticism Discussion Forum , WRYTING-L automatic digest -- Theory and Writing , 7-11@mail.ljudmila.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 23172-23339 grey future 6624 days or 222 months or 18.5 years year 2027 well, these earlier, withdrawn (too very grey?) prints, now seem pretty nice, so I've tacked them onto about the year 2027... but honestly they'd makea great photo exhibit now: 4x6 prints in bent-acrylic frames on similarshelves ... but I know this will not be permitted; not in 30+ yearsso whynow... so if you like this work and have some better capacity at-hand... do let me know! and if you buy this digital book I'll include a free digital subscription to the ongoing 12hr-project! /:b http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/2027/7822501 /:b ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:04:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Francesco Levato Subject: Exquisite: A Series of Corpses - Oct. 30th, Chicago In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Exquisite: A Series of Corpses Interactive Text/Visual Art Series Launches on Halloween Eve CIMM Fest to also Exhibit Films, Music All on Fri., Oct. 30, 7 =AD 11 p.m. Consider it Chicago=B9s largest Halloween party for visual artists, poets, an= d writers. Plastique Press and the Near Northwest Arts Council present a new interactive poetry/visual art series - Exquisite: A Series of Corpses. Poet= s and writers will join artists on stage with a live model, drawing materials= , and typewriters. Poets and writers are asked to create new works, hand or typewritten, based on the model, the art, the event, the people. Artists ar= e asked to draw about the same, including the written works. The result will be a sort of immediate broadside. Sound and video artists are also invited to come and create new works based on the event. This event follows in the history of exquisite corpse parlor games. Exquisite corpse is a method by which a collection of words or images is collectively assembled by a group of people. Each collaborator adds to a composition in sequence, either by following a rule or by being allowed to see the end of what the previous person contributed. Exquisite takes place at the Near Northwest Arts Council at St. Paul=B9s Cultural Center where the exhibition Binary: A Pairing of Opposite States is currently on view. This event is an extension of the Wetware Render Machine drawing performance tha= t happened there on Fri., Oct. 9 to great fanfare and with beautiful results. Plastique Press will then publish an enhanced eBook of the works produced that night, with each poet, writer, and artist being credited as an author. Sound, text, visual art, and video will become part of the final book. Works produced during Exquisite will be hung in the exhibition space throug= h Nov. 7, 2009. The eBook will be released in early 2010. CIMMFest will also present a series of short films during the event. There will be music as well. EVENT INFO: Exquisite: A Series of Corpses Oct. 30, 7 - 11 p.m., FREE, costumes welcome NNWAC/St. Paul's Cultural Center, 2215 W. North Avenue, Chicago Event takes place upstairs. CIMMFest will present short films downstairs. Audience participation welcome; scheduled participants include: Karen Becker, Ray Bianchi (Cracked Slab Books), Waltraud Haas Bianchi, Kristy Bowen (Dancing Girl Press), Melanie Brown, Mia Capodilupo, Joshua Cotter, Skye Enyeart-Rust, Philip Jenks, Dana Major Kanovitz, Jacob Knabb (ACM), Francesco Levato (Poetry Center of Chicago, Plastique), Lauren Levato, Darrell Roberts, Adam Rust, Fred Sasaki (Poetry Magazine), Larry Sawyer (Milk Mag, Myopic), Momoko Usami, Lina Ramona Vitkauskas, Barbara Wakefield, Jackie White and others not mentioned here, including audience members. Artists models: Dalawn Simpson and another TBA. About Plastique Press =AD www.plastiquepress.com About CIMM Fest =AD www.cimmfest.org About NNWAC =AD www.nnwac.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:31:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Sarai Subject: 2 reviews: Blood Pudding's Juliet Cook; The Book of Practical Pussies (Lee Ann Brown, editor) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Specific URLS for the 2 reviews are below or go to=20 http://my3000lovingarms.blogspot.com/ and futz around. *Planchette* (chapbook) by Julia Cook (Blood Pudding) http://my3000lovingarms.blogspot.com/2009/10/stroking-poem-planchette-by-= julia-cook.html *The Book of Practical Pussies* ed. by Lee Ann Brown (Tender Buttons Pres= s) Writers: Camille Roy, D-L Alvarez, Yedda Morrison, Scott Macleod, Jocelyn= =20 Saidenberg, Kevin Killian, Robert Gluck, Dodie Bellamy, Lee Ann Brown.=20= http://my3000lovingarms.blogspot.com/2009/10/book-of-practical-pussies- poetry-in_06.html cheers, Sarah Sarai a tender button mushroom The Future Is Happy http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ss2.htm =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:55:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Sarai Subject: erratum: it's Juliet Cook, not Julia {{{sigh}}} Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" cook made me think of child and julia but blood pudding press is juliet =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:56:04 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: lily robert-foley Subject: The newest hottest thing in cliterature and literary erotica. Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 OMNIA VANITAS=97the newest hottest thing in cliterature and literary erotic= a is now available.=20=20 This edition's theme: The Invisible Corset. Featuring works by Catherine = Borders, Marissa Ayala, Meg Nafziger, Lily Robert-Foley, kristen cerda, Jan= e Agnes Quinn, Scott Hess, Chandra Smith, Rebecca Serle, Caroline Picard, K= atherin Cox, Michael Sidman, SarahS, Circadies, Matthew Dexter, Brian Burto= n and Ryan Block. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:59:17 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel In-Reply-To: <2C37CFE9-DF80-4E91-A98E-D1D19EE4C523@sfu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii damn, the light of inspiration has blinded me with the following insight: each year, 2 nobels should be awarded. One, to a deserving recipient who's actually alive, and another to Joseph Conrad. Conrad's pessissismism (how many ssss in pessis...guess it's back to remedial speling class) was the only thing that could shut Bertrand Russell up. Russell was impressed enough by Conrad to name a son after him. btw, George, do they give nobels to Canadians? I seemed to recall some Canadian winning one of the science awards. ________________________________ From: George Bowering To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 7:33:04 PM Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel That's what it appears to be, all right. gb On Oct 20, 2009, at 11:51 AM, steve russell wrote: > fuck it, i'll reply to my previous post. Mueller, for all i know, was an excellent choice. Margaret Atwood has enough prizes. As far as the noble committee looking beyond Europe, who can really tell. They made an excellent decision when they choose W Soyinka for the prize, when they finally reconized a resident of an African nation that wasn't of European ancestery. But when they give the Goddamn peace prize to a head of State, or to anyone who has the ear of the State (Kissinger), their repeating the dopey mistakes they should have learned to avoid. Eventually, they'll give the prize for peace to a pro wrestler who assumes the lotus postition when he enters the ring. I almost wonder if there's a point to giving a nobel for literature in a post literate world. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: steve russell > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 1:50:05 PM > Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel > > the damn thing is a joke. if Obama can win the Nobel Peace prize, an illiterate pre-schooler may soon be nominated for the lit prize. perhaps i'm a bit cynical, but i seriously doupt that that's the case. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bobbie Lurie > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 2:15:41 PM > Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel > > Very well put, Joel. > thank you-- > Bobbi > > > > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:20:35 -0700 > From: Joel Weishaus > Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01CA4D81.2265FE70 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Johanna; > > I would add that to most of the American media it wasn't even worthwhile = > investigating who Meuller is and why she won the prize. However, even = > when Americans win a Nobel, it's hardly covered, as it has no = > entertainment value. I think it has more to do with ignorance than = > jingoism. > As for not many American writers getting a Nobel in literature, we = > should be more concerned with our high rate of illiteracy than with who = > wins what literary prize. > > -Joel =20 > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > George Harry Bowering Younger than W.P. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:47:11 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Aryanil Mukherjee Subject: Re: Paul Zukofsky In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Catching up on this thread a bit too late perhaps... anyway, the interesting thing is Paul Zukofsky's fatwa does not mention the word "translation" anywhere... is the assumption - translation projects always come thru proper channel? or is it - who the hell can & will translate LZ ? that makes me immune to the fatwa.....does it ? Aryanil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Jenkins" To: Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: Paul Zukofsky Dear List, Scholars like Mark Scroggins or Stephen Fredman can better speak to Paul Zukofsky¹s seriousness in controlling his father¹s literary estate than I, but just from my knowledge of the history of his attitude towards using LZ¹s material, this letter on Z-site is probably legit. In the interest of Fair Use and academic freedom, however, I urge all scholars and writers interested in working on Louis Zukofsky to defy his son¹s fatwa, as a matter of principle, while remaining within the bounds of Fair Use. Despite his threats, he can¹t sue everybody and probably wouldn¹t win even if he did. Grant Matthew Jenkins, Assoc. Prof. Director of the Writing Program Director of African American Studies Faculty of English Language and Literature The University of Tulsa Tulsa, OK 74104 918.631.2573 grant-jenkins@utulsa.edu ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:47:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Here=B9s what=B9s coming up at The Poetry Project! Also, Brandon Brown continues guest blogging here: www.poetryproject.org/project-blog And you can listen to some poems recently read at the project here: www.poetryproject.org/multimedia/audio Friday, October 23, 10 PM Michele Beck, Jorge Calvo, Jennifer Bartlett & Special Guest Bill Kushner Michele Beck and=A0Jorge Calvo are multidisciplinary artists working with video, sound and performance. They have shown their work nationally and internationally at venues including The ICA in=A0London, The Art Museum at th= e University of Texas Museum, Galerie Chez Valentin in=A0Paris,=A0France, The Bronx Museum, and The Queens Museum of Art. They are recipients of the MCAF grant and the SOS grant from the New York Foundation for the Arts and residencies at Yaddo. Tonight they will show two 15 minute=A0 videos from a series called =B3video portraits in a day=B2 =AD one about=A0 poet Bill Kushner and one about poet Jennifer Bartlett. The videos will be followed by a performance by Beck and Calvo and readings by Bartlett and Kushner. Michele Beck completed her Bachelors in Art History at=A0New York=A0University=A0and Masters of Fine Arts at Parsons School of Design. She teaches at the=A0New=A0School=A0University=A0and the=A0International=A0Center=A0for Photography.=20 Jorge Calvo pursued his studies in experimental theatre in=A0Sydney,=A0Australia. After finishing his training, he performed with the alternative theatre companies G.R.O.U.P and Dangerous Visions Theatre, both of which received funding from the Australian Arts Council.=A0 Jennifer Bartlett was a 2005 NYFA Poetry Fellow.=A0Bartlett=A0is the author of=A0Derivative of the Moving Image (UNM 2007) and=A0(a) lullaby without any music (forthcoming). Individual poems have recently appeared in=A0New America= n Writing and=A0The Raleigh Quarterly. In 2008, she curated a collection on mentorship for How2. She is currently working on a project on the life and work of Larry Eigner.=A0Bartlett=A0teaches poetry to students with disabilities at United Cerebral Palsy and lives in Greenpoint Brooklyn with the science fiction writer Jim Stewart and their son, Jeffrey. Bill Kushner is the author of Night Fishing, Love Uncut, He Dreams of Rivers, That April, In The Hairy=A0Arms of Whitman and In Sunsetland With You= . =A0His works have been awarded the Dylan Thomas Prize=A0For Poetry and have appeared in numerous anthologies, including In Out Time: The Gay and Lesbian=A0Anthology, Poetry After 9/11: An Anthology of New York Poets and Best American Poetry 2002. He has=A0been a 1999 and 2005 Fellow of the New York Foundation of the Arts. =20 Monday, October 26, 8 PM Micah Ballard & Dawn Lundy Martin Micah Ballard lives in San Francisco and is co-editor for Auguste Press. Recent books of his include Absinthian Journal, Bettina Coffin, Negative Capability in the Verse of John Wieners, Evangeline Downs, Parish Krewes, and the collaborations Death Race V.S.O.P. and Easy Eden. Dawn Lundy Martin was awarded the 2006 Cave Canem Poetry Prize by Carl Phillips for her manuscript, A Gathering of Matter/A Matter of Gathering (University of Georgia Press, 2007). She is the author of The Morning Hour, selected in 2003 by C.D. Wright for the Poetry Society of America=B9s Nationa= l Chapbook Fellowship. Among her many honors include Massachusetts Cultural Council Artists Grants for Poetry in 2002 and 2006 and the 2008 Academy of American Arts and Sciences May Sarton Prize for Poetry. Her poems have appeared many journals including=A0Tuesday Journal, Callaloo, FENCE, nocturne= s and=A0Encyclopedia. Excerpts from her new manuscript, Discipline, can be foun= d in the forthcoming issues of=A0Hambone, Deadalus, and=A0Jubilat. She is a founding member of the Black Took Collective, a group of experimental black poets; co-editor of a collection of essays,=A0The Fire This Time: Young Activists And The New Feminism (Anchor Books, 2004); and a founder of the Third Wave Foundation in New York, a national young feminist organization. She is an assistant professor of English in the Writing Program at the University of Pittsburgh. =20 Wednesday, October 28, 8 PM Robert Gl=FCck & Eileen Myles Robert Gl=FCck is the author of nine books of poetry and fiction, including two novels, Margery Kempe and Jack the Modernist and a book of stories, Denny Smith. Gluck edited, along with Camille Roy, Mary Berger and Gail Scott, the anthology Biting The Error: Writers on Narrative. Gl=FCck was Director of The Poetry Center at San Francisco State, Co-director of Small Press Traffic, and Associate Editor at Lapis Press. His poetry and fiction have been published in the New Directions Anthology, City Lights Anthologies, Best New Gay Fiction 1988 and 1996, The Norton Anthology of World Literature, Best American Erotica 1996 and 2005, and The Faber Book o= f Gay Short Fiction. His critical articles appeared in artforum international= , Aperture, Poetics Journal, and Nest: A Quarterly of Interiors, and he prefaced Between Life and Death, a book on the paintings of Frank Moore. Last year he and artist Dean Smith completed the film Aliengnosis. Eileen Myles remains a green & prolific poet (Sorry Tree, Not Me=8A) whose first collection of essays on art, poetry, queerness & culture The Importance of Being Iceland, for which she received a Warhol/Creative Capital grant, is just out from Semiotext(e)/MIT. Eileen also writes novels (Chelsea Girls, Cool for You) and librettos (=B3Hell=B2) and has given a thousand (great) readings all over North America, Europe, Russia and Icelan= d since first arriving in New York from Boston in 1974 to be a poet. She ran the Poetry Project in the 80s. In 1992 she conducted an openly female write in campaign for President. Since 1996 she=B9s toured several times with Siste= r Spit. She=B9s a Professor Emeritus of Writing & Literature at UC San Diego. She lives in New York. Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.org/become-a-member Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.org/program-calendar The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.org www.poetryproject.org Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:34:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tim Peterson Subject: TENDENCIES: Poetics & Practice 10/29 - Salah, Gl=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=FCck=2C_?= & Zolf Comments: To: POETICS-L@gc.listserv.cuny.edu, English Department Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Announcing: *TENDENCIES: Poetics & Practice* *Trish Salah, Robert Gl=FCck & Rachel Zolf* This new series of talks by major poets, titled in honor of Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick, will explore the intersection of contemporary poetic manifesto, practice, queer theory and pedagogy. Too often today, statements on poetics and their manifesto-like style have been moralistic or prescriptive discourses. By contrast, this series will attempt a Kinsey-like survey of actual poetic practice--what writers actually do, in the writers' own words--in the process queering the manifesto, inventing new terms for poetics discourse, and emphasizing queer writing and poetics. The first event features talks by: *Trish Salah, Robert Gl=FCck, & Rachel Zolf* ...followed by a discussion/Q&A session. *on Thursday, October 29* *at 6:30 PM* *FREE* * * *at CUNY Graduate Center* *(in the Skylight Room)* *365 Fifth Avenue, NYC* Born in Halifax, *Trish Salah* is a Montreal-based writer, activist and teacher at Concordia and Bishop's Universities. Her first book of poetry, Wanting in Arabic, was published in 2002 and her recent writing appears in the journals Open Letter, EOAGH, No More Potlucks, Aufgabe, West Coast Line= . Her new manuscript, Lyric Sexology, is near completion. *Robert Gl=FCck* is the author of nine books of poetry and fiction, includi= ng two novels, Margery Kempe and Jack the Modernist and a book of stories, Denny Smith. Gluck edited, along with Camille Roy, Mary Berger and Gail Scott, the anthology Biting The Error: Writers on Narrative. Gl=FCck was Director of The Poetry Center at San Francisco State, Co-director of Small Press Traffic, and Associate Editor at Lapis Press. His poetry and fiction have been published in the New Directions Anthology, City Lights Anthologies, Best New Gay Fiction 1988 and 1996, The Norton Anthology of World Literature, Best American Erotica 1996 and 2005, and The Faber Book o= f Gay Short Fiction. *Rachel Zolf*'s most recent book of poetry, Human Resources (Coach House, 2007), won the 2008 Trillium Book Award for Poetry and was shortlisted for = a Lambda Literary Award. Previous collections include Shoot and Weep (Nomados= , 2008), from Human Resources (Belladonna, 2005) and Masque (Mercury, 2004). Her poetry and essays have appeared in journals such as Xcp: Cross-Cultural Poetics and Open Letter and in the anthologies Prismatic Publics: Innovativ= e Canadian Women's Poetry and Poetics (Coach House, 2009) and Shift & Switch: New Canadian Poetry. She was the founding poetry editor of The Walrus magazine. Neighbour Procedure will appear in the spring from Coach House Books. * * * *TENDENCIES: Poetics & Practice* is curated by Tim Peterson. For additional information, visit the Tendencies blog at http://tendenciespoetics.blogspot.com All events are co-sponsored by the Center for the Humanities, CLAGS (the Center for Lesbian and Gay Studies), The PhD Program in English, and the GC Poetics Group. * * * *upcoming TENDENCIES: Poetics & Practice events this season:* *Amy King, Wayne Koestenbaum, and R. Erica Doyle* on November 17 at 6:30 PM in the Skylight Room at CUNY Graduate Center =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:50:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Steve Evans Subject: Elizabeth Willis in UMaine NWS Thursday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Elizabeth Willis reads in the UMaine NWS on Thursday, October 29. Much more information here http://nwsnews.wordpress.com/2009/10/25/up-next-elizabeth-willis/ Stop by if you find yourself somewhere between Boston and Montreal with a hankering for poetry. S. Associate Professor of English Graduate Program Coordinator National Poetry Foundation 313 Neville Hall University of Maine Orono, Maine 04469 207-581-3818 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:13:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit just listening to mark scroggins on zukofsky & anti-Semitism at the Poetry Foundation site--worth a listen. On 10/22/09 12:05 PM, "Skip Fox" wrote: > Oh, yes, Louis Zukofsky (who is not an ass) quoted hundreds of other writers > in Bottom on Shakespeare. While it is true that these works were generally > no longer under copyright protection, it does indicate how far Paul > Zukofsky's spirit is from the source. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Alan Sondheim > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:23 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse > > Are you sure this is for real? It reads very much like a parody... > On the other hand everyone has all time permission to quote me at any > length without further ado or attribution > > - Alan > > >> Paul Zukofsky on quoting mom & dad. >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Geraldine Monk >> Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:07 AM >> Subject: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse >> To: BRITISH-IRISH-POETS@jiscmail.ac.uk >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:16 AM >> Subject: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse >> >> Check out the below and then make sure you are nice to your children! >> P.Z. gets more barking. I'm still alarmed about by the shtupp means - >> if you 'shtupp an alligator' would it be pleased to see you or not? >> >> http://www.z-site.net/copyright-notice-by-pz/ >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:03:09 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: Paul Zukofsky In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Well, I'm of the opinion that he couldn't even find a lawyer to take =20 the case on his "narrow view" of fair use. That having been said, I agree that the letter demands some sort of =20 response. Mine is here: = http://www.wetasphalt.com/?q=3Dcontent/i-lit-cigarette-and-walked-freebeyo= nd-red-light-exit On Oct 23, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Grant Jenkins wrote: > Dear List, > > Scholars like Mark Scroggins or Stephen Fredman can better speak to =20= > Paul > Zukofsky=92s seriousness in controlling his father=92s literary estate = =20 > than I, > but just from my knowledge of the history of his attitude towards =20 > using LZ=92s > material, this letter on Z-site > is probably legit. > > In the interest of Fair Use and academic freedom, however, I urge all > scholars and writers interested in working on Louis Zukofsky to defy =20= > his > son=92s fatwa, as a matter of principle, while remaining within the =20= > bounds of > Fair Use. Despite his threats, he can=92t sue everybody and probably =20= > wouldn=92t > win even if he did. > > Grant Matthew Jenkins, Assoc. Prof. > Director of the Writing Program > Director of African American Studies > Faculty of English Language and Literature > The University of Tulsa > Tulsa, OK 74104 > 918.631.2573 > grant-jenkins@utulsa.edu > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 > guidelines & sub/unsub info: = http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:56:59 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mathew Timmons Subject: CREDIT by Mathew Timmons Now Out from Blanc Press! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *CREDIT* by Mathew Timmons Just Released from Blanc Press in Los Angeles! *CREDIT* by Mathew Timmons Hardcover, 800 pages, full color Blanc Press , September 2009 ISBN-13: 978-0-9814623-4-9 Dimensions: 11 =D7 8.5 =D7 1.75 inches Price (w/o shipping): $199.99 Download price: $299.99 BUY CREDIT! CREDIT is an 800 page, large format, full color, hardbound book, available for $199.99 from Blanc Press in Los Angeles--the longest, most expensive book publishable through the online service, lulu.com. Divided into two sections, Part A: Credit--26 parts (a-z) and Par= t 2: Debit--10 parts (1-10), CREDIT is a highly revealing and emotional work chronicling a personal tale of credit. In late spring 2007 as an irrational exuberance and promise of financial fortune hung in the air, mailboxes were filled with generous and gracefully worded offers of credit. Just over two years later, in midsummer 2009, the shape of the financial environment changed radically and mailboxes still filled up with statements of credit. Something had to change, offer turned to obligation. Retailing for $199.99, CREDIT is a book the author himself lacks the cash o= r credit to buy. BUY CREDIT! Mathew Timmons' CREDIT has been roundly praised by a number of artists, writers, editors and critics, including: Harold Abramowitz, Stan Apps, Marcus Civin, Brian Joseph Davis, Ryan Daley, Craig Dworkin, Brad Fliss, Lawrence Giffin, James Hoff, Maximus Kim, Matthe= w Klane, Janne Larsen, Matthias Merkel Hess, William Moor, Joseph Mosconi, Holly Myers, Sawako Nakayasu, Sianne Ngai, Ariel Pink, Vanessa Place, Dan Richert, Ronald Quinn Rudlong Jr., Ara Shirinyan, Danny Snelson, Erika Staiti, Brian Kim Stefans, Robert Summers, Rodrigo Toscano, Matias Viegener and Steven Zultanski. Read Advance Praise for Mathew Timmons' CREDIT. View Images from Mathew Timmons' CREDIT. BUY CREDIT! Read Advance Praise for Mathew Timmons' CREDIT: Let=92s face it, only those who see the invisible can do the impossible. However, miraculously, and right on cue, just short of a decade into the 21st century, Mathew Timmons has given us a momentous, lucid, and gripping book that makes visible what used to be, exclusively, invisible, the wide terrain of credit. Buy =93 CREDIT,=94 tell your friends to buy it, and take= its lessons to heart: Credit is expensive!... Credit is not cheap=85 Credit is hard, not easy, to get=85 =97Harold Abramowitz If you want to pay a penny for a thought Mathew Timmons has 19,999 of them, but like Master Card suggests, Timmons keeps it simple. CREDIT is a work ripped from both the headlines and the mailbox. =97Brian Joseph Davis I will send a very special, one-of-a-kind, only-available-via-purchase- and-full-completion and proof-of-reading-of-this-book, to all who purchase and read this book. Offer not valid in Kentucky. =97Sawako Nakayasu CREDIT by Mathew Timmons captures the entire postmodern economy under one cover. Like an avalanche of fine print, CREDIT reveals absolutely everythin= g required to be disclosed by law. Timmons aestheticizes the angst of indebtedness into a colorful durational novel, complete with a lifetime supply of rate, fee, and grace period information, plus all the =93__ _ !lI= =94 =95=95=95=95=95=95=95=95 =95=95=95=95=95=95=95=95 & =95=95 =91.=94~.=92lf = =92 CIa ... =93 of modern life. This is a book =93that do_es lL all for you=94 and best of all =93_.s:ard ~ith _no annu~lJ= ee.=94 =97Stan Apps Mathew Timmons=92 CREDIT: Approved. =97Sianne Ngai The output is a sprawling, modular form-letter with all the personal/financial affirmation cut down through razorbladed erasure-transcoding. CREDIT=92s procedure traces an unfollowable map from t= he macrodistortion of mass-market advertising onslaught to a subjective microdistortion of noise stream granulation and reassembly. CREDIT is problematic in terms of numbers, transaction, hardware and software. The text=92s operation is ravenously lossy, feeding on filtering byproducts and mistranslation; emphasis on information loss/breakage makes the text self-genotoxic and it sprouts mutant poetry from attractive shapes and corners. The text can be rotated. CREDIT is unreadable and CREDIT is a vibrant autobiography and CREDIT is a rainbow dream. =97Dan Richert What kind of Art would Human this kind of Receipt? What kind of Receipt would Art this kind of Human? What kind of Human would Receipt this kind of Art? What kind of Art would Receipt this kind of Human? What kind of Receipt would Human this kind of Art? Fuckers. =97Rodrigo Toscano Quite possibly the oldest system of exchange, credit is almost inseparable from wealth. Credit is the laxative to the stubborn bulk of capital. Similarly, how easy can form be separated from content? Or is content itsel= f a kind of para-form? Paraformaldehyde, even? Disinfectant indicating content=92s historicity in its obliteration? Content is form not yet recognized as such. Content is form on credit. And it is to Timmons=92 cred= it that he seems to be particularly susceptible to this confusion, bombarded a= s he seems to be with offers. And though credit and wealth may be interchangeable to the point of identity, still Timmons is all the more duped for believing so. =97Lawrence Giffin Not since =93The Tzanck Check=94 has a work so conscioned the infra-thin of capitalism=97a tour de fort-da. =97Vanessa Place This work could have easily been called =93Labor=94=97like =93Credit,=94 on= e of the least understood, least visible of our foundational abstractions. (=93Milk= =94 might be the other.) Mathew Timmons has managed to squeeze a Dummy=92s Guid= e of both into a mere 800 pages. Sure, this is art in the age of digital reproduction, but you=92re not getting anywhere near this thing. =97Brian Kim Stefans It seems only natural that with this book I re-appropriate a blurb about another book (Fiona Banner=92s The Nam): =93It has been described as unreadable.=94 =97James Hoff Congratulations! You=92ve been preselected to apply for a copy of the new b= ook by Mathew Timmons at a low introductory rate of just 199.99 and no annual fee ever. Documenting the social and economic space defined by the writing that falls between bulk mailing and fine print (full color and some of it very fine indeed), CREDIT appropriates direct mail credit card solicitation= s and advertisements in order to explore the nature of disclosure in a series of plays between display and censorship, see-thru windows and security envelopes, financial promise and legal threat=97or simply, in Guy Debord=92= s terms, between monologue and true communication. Testing the limits of publishing=97CREDIT is the largest and most expensive book publishable via Lulu=97Timmons=92 book is well beyond most readers=92 = means. But remember, you could always charge it and hope to juggle some good balance transfers down the road.... Respond Immediately and Request Your Copy Today. =97Craig Dworkin Rarely has the mind-numbing banality of consumer capitalism=92s fine-print underbelly been employed to such elegant effect. Mathew Timmons=92 CREDIT i= s a timely epic in this crumbling age of debt. =97Holly Myers You know Timmons is just saying what Patti Smith said thirty years ago, although he=92s saying it even more: =93And when we dream it, when we drea= m it, when we dream it, / Lets dream it, we=92ll dream it for free, free money, / Free money, free money, free money, / Free money, free money, free money, / Free money, free money, free money, / Free money, free money, free money, / Free money, free money, free money, / Free money, free money, free money, / Free money, free money, free money, / Free money, free money, free money, free.=94 =97Matias Viegener =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:16:22 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel In-Reply-To: <462787.14878.qm@web52408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Yeah, several science Nobels to Canadians, and a Nobel Peace prize. And if Saul Bellow hadn't skipped the country, a fiction one. On Oct 24, 2009, at 8:59 AM, steve russell wrote: > damn, the light of inspiration has blinded me with the following > insight: each year, 2 nobels should be awarded. One, to a deserving > recipient who's actually alive, and another to Joseph Conrad. > Conrad's pessissismism (how many ssss in pessis...guess it's back > to remedial speling class) was the only thing that could shut > Bertrand Russell up. Russell was impressed enough by Conrad to name > a son after him. > > btw, George, do they give nobels to Canadians? I seemed to recall > some Canadian winning one of the science awards. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: George Bowering > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 7:33:04 PM > Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz-- > response to Joel > > That's what it appears to be, all right. > > gb > > > On Oct 20, 2009, at 11:51 AM, steve russell wrote: > >> fuck it, i'll reply to my previous post. Mueller, for all i know, >> was an excellent choice. Margaret Atwood has enough prizes. As far >> as the noble committee looking beyond Europe, who can really tell. >> They made an excellent decision when they choose W Soyinka for the >> prize, when they finally reconized a resident of an African nation >> that wasn't of European ancestery. But when they give the Goddamn >> peace prize to a head of State, or to anyone who has the ear of >> the State (Kissinger), their repeating the dopey mistakes they >> should have learned to avoid. Eventually, they'll give the prize >> for peace to a pro wrestler who assumes the lotus postition when >> he enters the ring. I almost wonder if there's a point to giving a >> nobel for literature in a post literate world. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: steve russell >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 1:50:05 PM >> Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz-- >> response to Joel >> >> the damn thing is a joke. if Obama can win the Nobel Peace prize, >> an illiterate pre-schooler may soon be nominated for the lit >> prize. perhaps i'm a bit cynical, but i seriously doupt that >> that's the case. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bobbie Lurie >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 2:15:41 PM >> Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response >> to Joel >> >> Very well put, Joel. >> thank you-- >> Bobbi >> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:20:35 -0700 >> From: Joel Weishaus >> Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz >> >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01CA4D81.2265FE70 >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> Johanna; >> >> I would add that to most of the American media it wasn't even >> worthwhile = >> investigating who Meuller is and why she won the prize. However, >> even = >> when Americans win a Nobel, it's hardly covered, as it has no = >> entertainment value. I think it has more to do with ignorance than = >> jingoism. >> As for not many American writers getting a Nobel in literature, we = >> should be more concerned with our high rate of illiteracy than >> with who = >> wins what literary prize. >> >> -Joel =20 >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >> welcome.html >> >> >> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >> welcome.html >> >> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >> welcome.html >> > > George Harry Bowering > Younger than W.P. Kinsella > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html > George Cletis Bowering Slow to anger. Well, slow about everything. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:51:33 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Will Larsen Subject: TODAY: Kevin Coval reading+workshop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ArtShould presents: an art+poetry workshop with *Kevin Coval* Monday, October 26 @ 7pm (TODAY) 5715 S Woodlawn, Chicago IL Please join us this upcoming Monday for food and a workshop with Kevin Coval, Chicagoland poet extraordinaire. We (ArtShould) will be leading a short workshop on erasure poetry, then Kevin will give a short spiel and lead a workshop of his own. Hope to see you all there! For more info about Kevin, check out his website: http://www.kevincoval.com= / Kevin Coval is the author of everyday people (EM Press, Nov.'08) and slingshots (a hip-hop poetica) (EM Press, Nov. '05), named Book of the Year-finalist by The American Library Association. Coval's poems have appeared in The Spoken Word Revolution and The Spoken Word Revolution: Redu= x (Source Books), Total Chaos (Basic Civitas), I Speak of the City: New York City Poems (Columbia University Press), The Bandana Republic (Soft Skull Press), Chicago Tribune, Chicago Reporter, Cross Currents, Crab Orchard Review, Rattle, 2nd Ave Poetry, The Drunken Boat, and many other periodical= s and journals. Coval writes for The Huffington Post and can be heard regularly on National Public Radio in Chicago. Coval has performed on four continents in seven countries including; The Parliament of the World's Religions in Capetown, South Africa, The African Hip-Hop Festival: Battle Cry, Poetry Society of London, University of the West Indies in Jamaica, St. Xavier's College in Bombay, India, and four seasons of Russell Simmons' HBO Def Poetry Jam, for which he also served as artistic consultant. From Jan. 2006 to May 2007, Coval visited 26 states an= d more than 50 cities during the promotional tour for his first book, performing at over 150 high schools, universities, book stores, theaters, community centers and Union Halls around the country. Co-founder of Louder Than A Bomb: The Chicago Teen Poetry Festival, the largest youth poetry festival in the world, Coval is poet-in-residence at The Jane Addams=92 Hull House Museum at The University of Illinois-Chicago = and poet-in-residence at The University of Chicago=92s Newberger Hillel Center, and teaches at The School of the Art Institute in Chicago =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:16:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Al Filreis Subject: Kelly Writers House on Facebook Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Kelly Writers House in Philadelphia invites all to view a new Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kelly-Writers-House/154749992778 Al Filreis Kelly Professor Faculty Dir., Kelly Writers House Dir., Center for Programs in Contemporary Writing University of Pennsylvania ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:16:17 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: Zero Poem: Visual Poetry score/Sound Poetry performance now on line at RUTube & YouTube MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Glerb Kolomiets of Slova journal just put on line my ZERO POEM/POEM ZERO with the Visual Poetry score synched to the Sound Poetry--of the performance-- many thanks to Gleb more than i can say and i hope some of you may enjoy this-- Here are the links: - On RuTube: http://rutube.ru/tracks/2530749.html?v=b3f5127716a73e90b1354c2c8e3a653d - and a copy on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn5sHw87Iqw ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:26:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Country Valley Subject: New broadsides from Country Valley Press In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed New from the Empty Hands Broadsides Series #15. Simon Cutts, EMPTY HAND #16. John Phillips, PAGES Single issues: $1/$3, signed Subscriptions: $5 a year for 4 issues Inquiries should be sent to: Country Valley Press Mark Kuniya countryvalley@mac.com Online: http://web.mac.com/countryvalley ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:16:05 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barbara Jane Reyes Subject: Justin Chin, Sarah Gambito, Marianne Villanueva 11/07/09 @ 2 pm (SF) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Forwarded message ---------- **Please feel free to share this via Facebook, Twitter, blogs, and/or your social networking tool of choice!** Hi all -- It's that time again! Writers *Justin Chin*, *Sarah Gambito*, and *Marianne Villanueva *will be reading at the next PAWA Arkipelago Reading Series event. Musical guests are *Myrna del Rio* and *Bo Razon*! http://pawainc.blogspot.com/2009/10/pawa-arkipelago-reading-series-saturday= _24.html Please join us for the next reading in the PAWA Arkipelago Reading Series Where: The Bayanihan Center 1010 Mission Street @ 6th Street, San Francisco When: Saturday, November 7, 2009 at 2:00 pm Who: Writers Justin Chin, Sarah Gambito, and Marianne Vilanueva. Musical guests Myrna del R=EDo and Bo Razon. This event is free and open to the public! *Justin Chin* is the author of three books of poetry and three books of essays. His most recent poetry collection, Gutted (Manic D Press), received the Publishing Triangle's 2007 Thom Gunn Award for Poetry. *Sarah Gambito* is the author of the poetry collections Delivered (Persea Books) and Matadora (Alice James Books). Her poems have appeared or are forthcoming in The Iowa Review, The Antioch Review, Denver Quarterly, The New Republic, Field, Quarterly West, Fence and other journals. She is Assistant Professor and Director of Creative Writing at Fordham university and co-founder of Kundiman, a non-profit company that promotes Asian American poetry. *Marianne Villanueva* has published three collections of short fiction: Ginseng and Other Tales from Manila (Calyx Press) Mayor of the Roses (Miami University Press) and The Lost Language (published 2009 by Anvil Press of the Philippines). She has been shortlisted for the O. Henry Literature Priz= e and nominated for the Pushcart. Most recently, she was a finalist for the 2009 Annual Donald Barthelme Fiction Prize. Her recent work has been published in The Chattahoochee Review, Cafe Irreal, The Santa Fe Writers Project, Isotope and The White Whale Review. Singing in English, Spanish, and French, *Myrna Del Rio* is a show-stopping singer capable of delivering heart-felt ballads, boleros, and blues that really swing. She was a featured vocalist in renowned drummer Francis Clay'= s band, Syncopation, and was also a member of Domingo & Friends, a popular Rhythm & Blues and Soul band led by Domingo Balinton. Ms. Del R=EDo was featured in the 1st and 2nd Annual Jazz Las Casas Festival and at the 3rd Annual Festival Internacional de Jazz in Villahermosa, Tabasco, Mexico in 2004 and received rave reviews in the press. *Bo Razon* completed Master Classes in Cuban Music and Folklore at the Escuela Nacional de Arte in Havana, Cuba in 1997. He has performed with major international and local artists; given seminars, workshops and clinic= s in Afro-Latin music theory and applications; written numerous magazine articles and has written scripts and directed programs and documentaries fo= r television and public media. He released a cd of original music in 1998 entitled "Biyahero" under BMG Records Pilipinas. --=20 http://barbarajanereyes.com http://bjanepr.wordpress.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:39:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: peter ganick Subject: Remove A Concept Comments: To: Theory and Writing , fluxlist@yahoogroups.com, spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, poetryetc@jiscmail.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 a new book series written by Peter Ganick during the late 1980s, now published by white sky books. the series is projected to include 16 volumes when completed. covers are paintings by Ganick. read the texts for free by clicking on the 'preview this book' button. "happen at is former lifetime," from section *1084 -- volumes of Remove A Concept already released, $15 each. vol 1 www.lulu.com/content/7642558 vol 2 www.lulu.com/content/7762352 vol 3 www.lulu.com/content/7800085 downloads available as well. read the texts for free. [apologies for cross-posting] ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:43:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Giannini Subject: Re: New broadsides from Country Valley Press In-Reply-To: <72BBCFAB-F774-4CCA-BE74-981B54DBF62C@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, man! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Country Valley" To: Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 4:26 PM Subject: New broadsides from Country Valley Press > New from the Empty Hands Broadsides Series > > #15. Simon Cutts, EMPTY HAND > > #16. John Phillips, PAGES > > Single issues: $1/$3, signed > Subscriptions: $5 a year for 4 issues > > Inquiries should be sent to: > > Country Valley Press > Mark Kuniya > countryvalley@mac.com > > Online: http://web.mac.com/countryvalley > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:05:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Paul Nelson Subject: A Time Before Slaughter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul N= http://www.apprenticehouse.com/index.cfm?p=3Dcatalog&id=3D28=0A=0A=0APaul N= elson's=0Aepic Slaughter explores the history, mythology and ecology of a p= lace, a=0Ameeting-ground for various cultural interchanges, both good and b= ad, in the=0Atradition of Charles Olson's Maximus Poems or W.C. Williams=E2= =80=99 Paterson, but uniquely his own. It is a pleasure to read=E2=80=94enl= ightening, serious,=0Afunny, and overflowing with life.=0A =0A=E2=80=94Sam = Hamill=0A =0AA TIME BEFORE SLAUGHTER walks with great poetical ability=0Ath= e fine and difficult line between the political and the poetical: a fine li= ne=0Athat in most poets leads to the political tract, which shortsells the = poetical.=0APaul Nelson, on the contrary, manages to deal with today's worl= d, and its=0Aterrible pitfalls, with an eye on creation and not on cheap la= mentation: it=0Aresults in a book where neither poetry nor nature, nor life= or history, are=0Atamed; they are exalted, in all its complex reality, thr= ough a sustained=0Apoetical state that turns A TIME BEFORE SLAUGHTER into a= n authentic work of=0Aart.=0A =0AJos=C3=A9 Kozer=0A =0AHere's one=0Amore bi= g hunk of the American shoulder, as Olson carved his from the North=0AEast,= Nelson takes his from the Pacific North West. It's beautiful time-space=0A= in new words.=0A=0A * * *=0AMichael McClure=0A =0AHere is the=0Aurba= n Northwest as it was and as it will be. Read it and weep. And cheer. The= =0Apoem will take you where the I-5 can't go.=0A=0AGeorge Bowering=0A=0A Pa= ul E. Nelson =0A=0AGlobal Voices Radio=0ASPLAB!=0A=0AC. City, WA 206.422.50= 02 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:16:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: 350 poems about climate change MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 350 Poems is part of 350.org's international day of climate action that happened on October 24, 2009. http://350poems.blogspot.com On this site, 350 writers each contributed a poem responding to climate change (in a language of their choosing) in the days/hours leading up to October 24th. As an additional constraint--mirroring the real political obstacles and shortage of time we face--each poem had to be 3.5 lines in length. Why 350? Because that is the agreed upon safe upper limit for CO2 in the atmosphere (in parts per million). We're currently at 390 and rising, close to what climate experts call "the point of no return." This is a critical moment: we and our political representatives must act quickly in the less than two months before this December's United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen. Visit 350.org for other actions in your area (there are currently over 4000 actions in over 170 countries). ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:27:35 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: New broadsides from Country Valley Press - According to some presses, only MEN write POETRY. In-Reply-To: <8BDC5D249A704A798A72976DA8C66BBE@DavidPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah man? =A0Oh yeah, MAN. =A0Country Valley Press only publishes MEN. =A0N= o, there's a token "Sabine" in there. =A0My bad. =A0 _______ NEW BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm=A0 --- On Mon, 10/26/09, David Giannini wrote: From: David Giannini Subject: Re: New broadsides from Country Valley Press To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 5:43 PM Yeah, man! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Country Valley" To: Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 4:26 PM Subject: New broadsides from Country Valley Press > New from the Empty Hands Broadsides Series > > #15. Simon Cutts, EMPTY HAND > > #16. John Phillips, PAGES > > Single issues: $1/$3, signed > Subscriptions: $5 a year for 4 issues > > Inquiries should be sent to: > > Country Valley Press > Mark Kuniya > countryvalley@mac.com > > Online: http://web.mac.com/countryvalley > =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:18:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Carter/Sondheim at Phila. Magic Garden MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Carter/Sondheim at Phila. Magic Garden We were part of a group show organized by Steve Tobin / Fire Museum; Steve made a video of a section of our set - you can see it here at http://www.youtube.com/user/FireMuseumRecords#p/a Thanks, Alan, and thanks, Steve and Leah ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:03:15 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: ... two phantom objects MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _______________ P H O S P H O R a surrealist luminescence Issue Number Two on the theme of "two phantom objects ..." seventy-two pages, B5 format, ISSN 1755-0009 Andrew Boobier, Gareth Brown, Eugenio Castro, Stephen J. Clark, Kenneth Cox, Jan Drabble, Guy Ducornet, Kathleen Fox, Bill Howe, Micha=C3=ABl L=C3=B6wy, Sarah Metcalf, Peter Overton, Mike Peters, No=C3=A9= Ortega Quijano, Michael Richardson, Franklin Rosemont, Bruno Solarik, Jan =C5=A0vankmajer, John Welson, John Hartley Williams published by the LEEDS SURREALIST GROUP http://leedssurrealistgroup.wordpress.com Price =C2=A36.00 plus additional postage - =C2=A3 0.76 UK 2nd class AIRMAIL: =C2=A3 1.90 Europe - =C2=A3 3.00 Rest of World SURFACE MAIL: =C2=A3 1.80 Europe & Rest of World Send cheques/POs/IMOs (payable to =E2=80=9CSurrealist Editions=E2=80=9D) to: PHOSPHOR, 6 Aberdeen Grove, Leeds, England, LS12 3QY or, e-mail surrealisteditions@surrealism.madasafish.com for a PayPal payment request LEEDS SURREALIST GROUP http://leedssurrealistgroup.wordpress.com In luminescence, S=C3=A9amas Cain http://www.mnartists.org/Seamas_Cain _______________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:30:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Subject: Rockpile arrives in Washington MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rockpile arrives in Washington =20 =20 Rockpile Joins New Columbia Orchestra on Nov. 4 Poetry and Music Improv Collide in Washington=20 =20 ROCKPILE , comprised of poets David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg = from the San Francisco Bay area, arrives in Washington, DC as part of = their national tour to join forces with the New Columbia Orchestra = Quintet.=20 =20 =20 Poetry, music, more poetry, more music. The Quintet includes = vocalist Nicki Gonzalez, flautist Joseph Cunliffe, guitarist Richard = Miller, bassist Don West, and yours truly Burnett Thompson at the piano. = Wed. Nov. 4, 2009 9 p.m.=20 Bus Boys & Poets 2021 14th St. NW tickets $10 at the door.=20 Rockpile is funded by the Creative Work Fund and the Allen = Ginsberg Committee on Poetry.=20 If you have further questions, please don't hesitate to contact = me. Burnett Thompson burnett@pianojazz.com=20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - =20 =20 This email was sent to walterblue@earthlink.net by = burnett@newcolumbiaswing.com. Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with = SafeUnsubscribeT | Privacy Policy. =20 burnett thompson music | 2957 Strathmeade St | Falls Church = | VA | 22042 =20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:21:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Bobby Baird Subject: Recent Posts at Digital Emunction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Recent activity at Digital Emunction that might interest some of you: *+ P4K Does Not Hear What I Hear *(on Bob Dylan's *Christmas in the Heart*) by Michael Robbins + The Finale of Seem: Or, On =91On a Boat=92 (...and tenor-less metaphors, and much more) by Oren Izenberg + The Matter on the Table (on Coetzee's *Elizabeth Costello*) by Michael Robbins + Fake Book Review 7 by Joshua Baldwin + Monuments by Kent Johnson + Singing School (on Robert Huddleston's review of new Yeats books by Helen Vendler and Cal Bedient) by Michael Robbins + Blackface and the Poetry Foundation? (on John Barr's *Grace*) by Kent Johnson + Official Verse Culture (on the 2009 NBA awards) by Kent Johnson + Conceptual Art Hits the Op-Ed Page (Not a =91Day=92 Post) (on Denis Dutton) by me + =93Form,=94 =93Ideology,=94 etc. by Michael Hansen + Dream Song 1864 by Michael Robbins + Fake Book Reviews 5 & 6 by Joshua Baldwin + On Poetry and Rage by Oren Izenberg + A Parable on Poets=92 Numbers by Ange Mlinko + Most by numbers judge a poet=92s song (on form and ideology) by Michael Robbins ++++++++ Bobby Baird bobby.baird@gmail.com http://www.digitalemunction.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:18:13 -0600 Reply-To: halvard@gmail.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Hamilton Stone Review, Issue 19, Fall 2009, Now Online! Comments: cc: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" , Poetryetc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hamilton Stone Review #19 is up at http://www.hamiltonstone.org/hsr.html . Poetry by Nathan Leslie. Fiction by Jan Clausen, Dave Engeldrum, Jackie Ernst, Laurence Klavan, Angela Lang, Corey Mesler, Leora Skolkin-Smith, and Barry Spacks. Nonfiction by Kelle Groom, Rigoberto Gonzalez, James Richardson, and Damon Shaw. Fiction Editor: Lynda Schor Nonfiction Editor: Reamy Jansen ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:41:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: ... to be entranced in Glasgow MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _______________ On Saturday the 31st of October 2009, at 8:30 p.m., in the Centre for Contemporary Arts, 350 Sauchiehall Street in Glasgow, Scotland ... Ce=F2l 's Craic will present an evening of poetry & music. Poetry from Alasdair Roberts, with M=E0iri Morrison & Sineag MacIntyre ... Also Stevie Jones & Alastair Caplin ... Alasdair Roberts? Who is he? Drawing on folklore, his poetry & songs are complex; contemporary & ancient, metaphysical & dark but also playful. Go to Ce=F2l 's Craic at Halloween to be entranced! M=E0iri Morrison, well-respected actress & singer, will be joining Alasdair Roberts on stage where we will see some Gaelic & English collaborations in spontaneity. Admission is =A38 (=A35) ... For more information write to michelle.ceol@googlemail.com For more information about the Centre for Contemporary Arts, go to ... http://cca-glasgow.com/home For more information about Comhairle nan Leabhraichean (the Gaelic Books Council) go to ... https://lsh507.securepod.com/gaelicbooks.org/merchantmanager/ For more information about Ce=F2l 's Craic, go to ... http://www.myspace.com/ceolscraic Tapaidh leibh, agus ch=EC sinn ann thu! S=E9amas Cain http://www.saorsainn.net _______________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:57:51 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Comments: RFC822 error: Invalid RFC822 field - "and Spirituality”". Rest of header flushed. From: crystal hoffman Subject: Call For Papers: Association of Theatre in Higher Education 2010: "Women Performing Religion and Spirituality" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CFP: =E2=80=9CWomen Performing Religion =0Aand Spirituality=E2=80=9D=0AA mu= ltidisciplinary panel with =0Athe Religion and Theatre, Women and Theatre, = and Performance Studies =0Afocus groups.=C2=A0 =0AThe Association for Theatre =0Ain Higher Education (ATHE) 2010 Conferenc= e =0ALos Angeles, CA, August 3-6, =0A2010=0A=E2=80=9CTheatre Alive: Theatre= , =0AMedia, and Survival=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 =0AThe theme for the 2010 conference =0Ais =E2=80=9CTheatre Alive: Theatre,= Media, and Survival.=E2=80=9D This panel desires =0Ato bring together inno= vative theatre/performance practices pioneered =0Aby women artists whose ai= ms and output also have a religious or spiritual =0Ainterest.=C2=A0 The rel= igious background and influences of Ruth St. =0ADennis=E2=80=99 choreograph= y, the mysticism behind Emmy Hemmings=E2=80=99 writings =0Aon Dada, and the= apophatic expression in the plays of Susan Glaspell =0Aare inspiring examp= les deserving of research and discussion, and we =0Ahope to expand this sho= rt list.=C2=A0 Performance, the chosen medium =0Aof these artists, also ser= ves as a medium for religious or spiritual =0Aexpression and investigation.= =C2=A0 What can women=E2=80=99s experience of =0Atheatre and performance as= simultaneously religious or spiritual expression =0Abring to a discussion = of women in the political sphere? Why is religious/spiritual =0Aexpression = still an important aspect of the work of women performers, =0Awriters, and = scholars today, whether that expression be framed by an =0Ainstitutional re= ligious practice or influenced by a sense of ritual?=C2=A0 =0AHow is the pe= rformance of religion or spirituality integral to the survival =0A(perhaps = both personal and political) of women today, both on the theatre=E2=80=99s = =0Astage and the world stage?=C2=A0 =0AThis panel invites scholars =0Ato consider such terms as =E2=80=9Cspirit= uality,=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Creligion,=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Cperformance=E2=80=9D = =0Aand =E2=80=9Ctheatre=E2=80=9D broadly, and to think through the hesitanc= y that might =0Apreclude a scholar from making connections between religiou= s/spiritual =0Apractice and the study of performance.=C2=A0 We seek also to= expose =0Aand explicate the intersection between a historical bias against= religion/spirituality =0Ain the academy, and the fact that this academy ha= s also been historically =0Adominated by men.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0APlease send your one page abstract =0Ato Claire Chambers Blackstock at c= mcblackstock@ucdavis.edu. Include your name, affiliation, the =0Atitle of y= our paper, mailing address, phone number, and email address =0Awith your su= bmission, as well as a short bio. If applicable, please =0Aalso specify wha= t AV equipment you will require. The deadline for abstracts =0Ais October 2= 9, 2009. You can find out more about ATHE at www.athe.org.=C2=A0 We look fo= rward to your submission!=C2=A0 =0A=0ABest regards,=0AClaire Chambers Blackstock, =0AUniversity of Californ= ia Davis =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = =0A(cmcblackstock@ucdavis.edu)=0ACrystal Hoffman, Indiana University =0Aof = Pennsylvania =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0(crystaljeanhoffman@gma= il.com)=0APanel organizers=20 =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:27:17 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nate Pritts Subject: H_NGM_N #9 is live! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Citizens of the world! H_NGM_N #9 is locked & loaded & ready to be dropped from a low flying plane on some unsuspecting country whose regime is in need of being toppled. & if that country is CONTEMPORARY LITERATURE you can start to see how my m= etaphor is apt: http://www.h-ngm-n.com/cur_ent-i_sue Please note that we are currently open to submissions until November 30th & be sure to check out the updated info on H_NGM_N Books: http://www.h-ngm-n.com/h_ngm_n-books/ ___________ :: Dr. Nate Pritts =20 :: http://www.natepritts.com =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Simplify your PC. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=3DPID24727::T:= WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen1:102009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:41:40 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ken Chen Subject: PAGE TURNER The Asian American Literary Festival MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey everyone, Please see below for information regarding PAGE TURNER: The Asian American Literary Festival, presented on Nov 13-14 by The Asian American Writers=92 Workshop. It'll be a fun-fille quirky book bash with great writers like Sonny Mehta, Jhumpa Lahiri, Michael Ondaatje, David Henry Hwang, Ed Park, and others. Please forward to your lists, forums, Facebook accounts, and to whoever you think might be interested. Ken Chen, Executive Director, The Asian American Writers=92 Workshop *The Asian American Writers=92 Workshop presents* *PAGE TURNER: The Asian American Literary Festival* Friday & Saturday, Nov. 13-14, 2009 Pageturnerfest.org Join the Workshop for PAGE TURNER, a two-day literary palooza that=92ll bri= ng together more than thirty writers, including Jhumpa Lahiri, Michael Ondaatje, David Henry Hwang, Hari Kunzru, Ed Park, and Porochista Khakpour. This quirky but curated festival will also feature a former Chinese rocket factory worker, poets making video art, ukulele-strumming comedian Jen Kwok= , Indian crime fiction, panels on internment and immigration, and a cocktail reception and awards ceremony. For schedule and tickets, please visit pageturnerfest.org. *EVENTS DETAILS* Friday, Nov. 13, 2009, 7-10pm PAGE TURNER: GALA KICK-OFF DINNER At Vermilion, 480 Lexington Avenue, NY, NY $50 cocktail reception (7-8pm); $500 gala dinner (8-10pm) A special cocktail reception and dinner honoring Sonny Mehta, who will receive a Lifetime Achievement Award from Michael =93English Patient=94 Ondaatje. For tickets, visit aaww.org/dinner or call (212) 494-0061. Saturday, Nov. 14, 2009, 11am-7pm PAGE-TURNER: The Asian American Literary Festival powerhouse Arena, $5 per reading; $20 Day Pass; $10 Literary Awards & Reception Only; $25 All-Day Pass+Awards A hip all-day reading series that=92ll feature more than some of the most prominent Asian American writers in the country, as well as stand-up comedians, academics, and the Twelfth Annual Asian American Literary Awards= . The line-up includes: Jhumpa Lahiri, David Henry Hwang, Ed Park, Mort Baharloo, Monique Truong, Hari Kunzru, Meera Nair, Mohan Sikka, Hirsh Sawhney, Mae Ngai, Mitra Kalita, Alexander Chee, Ron Hogan, Rakesh Satyal, Jen Kwok, Porochista Khakpour, Ed Lin, Jennifer Hayashida, Jeff Yang, Sree Sreenivasan, Ravi Shankar, Hua Hsu, Dennis Lim, Julie Otsuka, Rea Tajiri, Sunaina Maria, Tania James, Hasanthika Sirisena, V.V. Ganeshananthan, Amitava Kumar, Lijia Zhang, Alexandra Chang, Purvia Shah, Walter Lew, Ye Mimi, and others. For a complete schedule and tickets see http://www.pageturnerfest.org. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:44:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Sarai Subject: Re: Paul Zukofsky + Dr. King's children Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" It's not easy having parents, but jeeze. Martin Luther King Jr's kids settled this month. There was a time I coul= dn't=20 find his essays to BUY. Writers are allowed to make money (not me, I'm n= ot=20 allowed, but other writers). Though not for each syllable.=20=20 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/13/martin-luther-king-children-f= eud Sarah Sarai http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ss2.htm =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:48:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Sarai Subject: Jack Wiler, sad news Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Poet Jack Wiler passed away last week. His books were *Fun Being Me* and= =20 *I Have No Clue.*=20=20 His Web site: http://jackwiler.com/ I'm not sure what to say here, but I posted a tribute on my blog: http://my3000lovingarms.blogspot.com/2009/10/rip-jack-wiler-fun-being- him.html Sarah Sarai http://my3000lovingarms.blogspot.com/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:07:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: tENTATIVELY, a cONVENIENCE: Multiple Projections: 1978 to 2009 Comments: To: Theory and Writing , webartery@yahoogroups.com, fluxlist@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Begin forwarded message: > From: "tENTATIVELY, a cONVENIENCE" > Date: October 27, 2009 9:47:36 AM CDT > To: idioideo@verizon.net > Subject: Multiple Projections: 1978 to 2009 > > Yep, I've made a 10 minute retrospective movie of some of my > multiple projection pieces of the last 31 yrs. > & it's on my YouTube channel where you can see it in > glorious lo-fidelity! Try to make out the intricate details! > I'm very proud of this material, I've been exploring multiple > projection > possibilities for a long time & I've never gotten much credit for it. > I DON'T do those gratuitous multiple projections where one takes > found films & projects them willy-nilly as if that's all there is to > it. > Most of these projections are highly calculated & have more > innovations > than you can shake a laser pointer at. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6smYCjQPuXM > > &, as usual, if you want to be removed from my bulk mailing list > just tell me so! I usually hate getting bulk emails too! > > yr pal, > > tENT > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:25:24 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Baraban Subject: Zukofsky quoting Blake In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A lovely example of Louis Zukofsky's way with quotations is the playlet to = be found in _Prepositons_ wherein a visitor comes and speaks with William a= nd Catherine Blake. William Blake's utterances in the playlet are all qoute= s from the man's work. At one point WB pronounces from one of his Notebook = Poems-- I have mental joys and mental health, Mental friends and mental wealth It's clear what Blake means in the notebook poem--My mind to me a Kingdom i= s (as an Elizabethan poet once wrote), whatever my outward condition--but i= solated in the Zukofsky skit, the phrase "mental health" has that other (20= th century, or when *was* the phrase first used for sanity?) signifigance, = and challenges all the people who have ever called Blake "mad". =20 --- On Thu, 10/22/09, Skip Fox wrote: > From: Skip Fox > Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 12:05 PM > Oh, yes, Louis Zukofsky (who is not > an ass) quoted hundreds of other writers > in Bottom on Shakespeare. While it is true that these works > were generally > no longer under copyright protection, it does indicate how > far Paul > Zukofsky's spirit is from the source. >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > On > Behalf Of Alan Sondheim > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:23 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse >=20 > Are=A0 you sure this is for real? It reads very much > like a parody... > On the other hand everyone has all time permission to quote > me at any > length without further ado or attribution >=20 > - Alan >=20 >=20 > > Paul Zukofsky on quoting mom & dad. > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Geraldine Monk > > Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:07 AM > > Subject: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse > > To: BRITISH-IRISH-POETS@jiscmail.ac.uk > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:16 AM > > Subject: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse > > > > Check out the below and then make sure you are nice to > your children! > > P.Z. gets more barking.=A0 I'm still alarmed about > by the shtupp means - > > if you 'shtupp an alligator' would it be pleased to > see you or not? > > > > http://www.z-site.net/copyright-notice-by-pz/ > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept > all posts. Check > > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l > > > > >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/= welcome.html > =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:27:05 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Paul Zukofsky + Dr. King's children In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Coretta set up the problem; she tightly controlled the estate until 1) the sale to Stanford, 2) her death. That's why one couldn't find his stuff. The relatively recent sales of archives and copyright do fuel a lot of this, but some people argue that we are seeing the last round of these sales. Some of the reasons are that there are vast quantities of electronic - format materials archivists aren't quite ready to deal with (including sorting the wheat from the chaff), and another is that there are certain items that used to be kept by writers that are no longer kept by them. -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:00:09 -0700 Reply-To: sanjdoller@gmail.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: sandra de 1913 Subject: 1913's newests: Issue 3 & READ & more! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear comrades, After a super-hiatus, 1913 is pleased as punch to announce our NEW & forthcoming publications! - *1913 a journal of forms, Issue 3*features 1913 Prize Co-Winners * Kristin Luke & Andrew Zawacki* and mind-bending poetry, prose, essay, translation, collaboration, image, and everything inbetween from Yuyen Chang, Norma Cole, Joshua Clover & Chris Nealon, Tyrone Williams, Jena Osman, Evie Shockley, Lara Glenum, Noah Eli Gordon, Valerie Mejer, Dan Beachy-Quick...& more! - *READ ,* an annual anthology of inter-translation from the Tamaas seminars in Paris, features work by Pierre Joris, Habib Tengour, Marie Borel, Sarah Riggs, Jean-Jacques Poucel, Frederic Forte, Vincent Broqua, and Charles Alexand= er! Forthcoming books from 1913 Press include: - *Ozalid* by Biswamit Dwibedy - *Hg, the liquid* by Ward Tietz - *Big House/Disclosure* & *Four Electric Ghosts*, two collaborations from Mendi + Keith Obadike Stay Tuned for *1913 a journal of forms, Issue 4* in early 2010, featuring 1913 Prize Runners-Up *Joel Chace & Lynn Xu*, and new work by Edwin Torres, Susan Maxwell, John Yau, Brian Kim Stefans, Sara Veglahn, Cathy Wagner, Alistair McCartney, Karena Youtz, Srikanth Reddy, Adrian Kien & Kelly Packer, Jordan Davis, Tom Orange, Catherine Daly...and more! 1913 is proud to welcome* Le Board*: Eleanor Antin, Rae Armantrout, Thalia Field, Scarlett Higgins, Jen Hofer, Matthew Hofer, Fanny Howe, Joseph Jeon, John Keene, Sawako Nakayasu, Claudia Rankine, Jerome Rothenberg, Cole Swensen, John Yau. (Any errors in editing or judgment are the sole responsibility of the editrice, Sandra Doller, and do not relect any flaw o= n the part of the generous humanity & finer sensibilities of Le Board.) *1913 is not currently reading submissions for books or the journal, but stay tuned for upcoming reading periods...* All 1913 publications are available via* Small Press Distribution *. Many thanks for yr support of small presses, Sandra Doller (n=E9e Miller) *founder & editrice of 1913 a journal of forms & 1913 Press* * http://www.journal1913.org http://www.spdbooks.org/Producte/1548991403/1913-a-journal-of-forms-issue-3= .aspx http://www.spdbooks.org/Producte/9780977935147/read.aspx =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:08:24 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Amanda Earl Subject: AngelHousePress Essay # 9 by Phil Hall Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed i'm pleased to announce a new essay for October. it's by Phil Hall and is entitled "A Blunt Garde: The False Politics of Honesty." i hope you get a chance to read the essay and that it sparks poetic dialogue... you will find the essay at www.angelhousepress.com under essays. best wishes, Amanda Amanda Earl AngelHousePress www.angelhousepress.com the angel is in the house ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:46:24 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Intern AAWW Subject: Nov 13 & 14 Asian American Literary Festival MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Buffalo Poetics, Could you help us at the Asian American Writers' Workshop to promote PAGE TURNER, The Asian American Literary Festival, which will be held on Friday November 13 and Saturday, November 14? It would be great if you could post the information below about PAGE TURNER= , The Asian American Literary Festival. Thanks for supporting the Asian American Writers' Workshop! AAWW Intern =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D *The Asian American Writers=92 Workshop presents* *PAGE TURNER: The Asian American Literary Festival* Friday & Saturday, Nov. 13-14, 2009 Join the Workshop for PAGE TURNER, a two-day literary palooza that=92ll bri= ng together more than thirty writers, including Jhumpa Lahiri, Michael Ondaatje, David Henry Hwang, Hari Kunzru, Ed Park, and Porochista Khakpour. This quirky but curated festival will also feature a former Chinese rocket factory worker, poets making video art, ukulele-strumming comedian Jen Kwok= , Indian crime fiction, panels on internment and immigration, and a cocktail reception and awards ceremony. For schedule and tickets, please visit pageturnerfest.org. *EVENTS DETAILS * Friday, Nov. 13, 2009, 7-10pm PAGE TURNER: GALA KICK-OFF DINNER At Vermilion, 480 Lexington Avenue, NY, NY $50 cocktail reception (7-8pm); $500 gala dinner (8-10pm) A special cocktail reception and dinner honoring Sonny Mehta, who will receive a Lifetime Achievement Award from Michael =93English Patient=94 Ondaatje. For tickets, visit aaww.org/dinneror call (212) 494-0061. Saturday, Nov. 14, 2009, 11am-7pm PAGE-TURNER: The Asian American Literary Festival powerhouse Arena, $5 per reading; $20 Day Pass; $10 Literary Awards & Reception Only; $25 All-Day Pass+Awards A hip all-day reading series that=92ll feature more than some of the most prominent Asian American writers in the country, as well as stand-up comedians, academics, and the Twelfth Annual Asian American Literary Awards= . The line-up includes: Jhumpa Lahiri, David Henry Hwang, Ed Park, Mort Baharloo, Monique Truong, Hari Kunzru, Meera Nair, Mohan Sikka, Hirsh Sawhney, Mae Ngai, Mitra Kalita, Alexander Chee, Ron Hogan, Rakesh Satyal, Jen Kwok, Porochista Khakpour, Ed Lin, Jennifer Hayashida, Jeff Yang, Sree Sreenivasan, Ravi Shankar, Hua Hsu, Dennis Lim, Julie Otsuka, Rea Tajiri, Sunaina Maria, Tania James, Hasanthika Sirisena, V.V. Ganeshananthan, Amitava Kumar, Lijia Zhang, Alexandra Chang, Walter Lew, and Ye Mimi. For = a complete schedule and tickets seehttp://www.pageturnerfest.org. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D --=20 Intern: Asian American Writers' Workshop The Asian American Writers' Workshop 16 West 32nd Street, Suite 10A New York, NY 10001 Between 5th Avenue and Broadway Subway N, R, Q, W, F, B, D, V trains to 34th Street/Herald Square 4, 5, 6 trains to 33rd Street 1, 2, 3, 9 trains to 34th Street (212) 494-0061 Literary readings: http://www.aaww.org/aaww_events.html $5 Suggested Donation Creative Writing Workshops: http://www.aaww.org/events_workshops.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:02:07 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Chris Jones Subject: Re: Off topic query -- The Poetics of Hate In-Reply-To: <462866.48379.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 19:41 -0700, amy king wrote: > It can only happen in 'backwards' towns like Laramie, Wyoming? Apologies, I had hoped for some time for a longer response, however that may not be. In Deleuze and Guattari, A Thousand Plateaus, there is a discussion of micro fascism where the fascist in you is not over there. While to some this may appear a difficult and complex theory of subjectivity my lesbian feminist philosophy lecturer, Marie Curnick, considered it accessible to undergrads such as myself, and even if graduate students travelled from Paris, UK and Canada to attend these seminars. To look to a poetics of hate we need look no further then Aristotle and Kant. This may come as some shock to those of the liberal arts academy, but how often must it be said that Kant, following Aristotle's categories with his precious correct use of the faculties, excludes women, gays and those not said to have a white skin, from reason and as such, immanent critique. It is right here, inside the writings of Aristotle's poetics and Kant's aesthetics that the poetics of hate is to be found. Don't dare accuse me with your Kantian tribunal backed up by the ancient ignorance of an Aristotle era long past a decent use by date. I have found this article on the Australian gay surrealist painter, James Gleeson from which this quote: With some justification surrealism hasn’t been thought of as offering a very propitious milieu for anyone who did not subscribe to the ideology of heterosexual love. The virulence of its leader in denouncing same-sex sexuality is notorious, and has been assumed to stand for the movement as a whole. Perhaps, it can only happen in Australia? www.surrealismcentre.ac.uk/.../journal6/.../James%20Gleesonjk4.pdf with best wishes, Chris Jones. PS, must cool memories two come into this? He said destroy, not deconstruct. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:29:30 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Chris Jones Subject: James Gleeson URL (Poetics of hate) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry for this but it has come to my attention that the James Gleeson gay Australian surrealist URL seems to go nowhere. (Gee, even the world wide web is homophobic and you think me an hysterical queen...) Google this and you should find it... james gleeson’s desiring production ...or try again... www.surrealismcentre.ac.uk/.../journal6/.../James%20Gleesonjk4.pdf ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:09:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Perman Subject: Idiolects of Silence Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" A reminder to Listserve readers : My new Idiolects of Silence, is availab= le in pdf format from roompress@aol.com. The book collects poems from the pa= st decade or so wch explore, among other concerns, notions of constriction a= nd release in language, bound by such as space count in mono spacing, while holding to lyrical embeds. Feel free to ask for a copy. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:40:03 -0400 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: lake, oh pure contradiction another fragment of rob's toronto memoir: http://www.openbooktoronto.com/articles/lake_oh_pure_contradiction rob -- writer/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...poetry - a compact of words (Salmon) ...2nd novel - missing persons www.abovegroundpress.blogspot.com * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:16:54 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: DAWN APRIL LONSINGER Subject: Call for Hybrid and/or Collaborative Writing In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 I have been a subscriber to this list for quite some time now, but this is my first request to post. I didn't see anything about formatting in the guidelines so I hope this is fine. Thank you for your help. My best & birds, dawn lonsinger Please Post: Call for Submissions for a Special Issue of WHR (Spring 2010) :: HYBRID // COLLABORATIVE edited by Lance Olsen, Karen Brennan, Craig Dworkin & Paisley Rekdal Submit your hybrid and/or collaborative work through March 30th to ::: Western Humanities Review Hybrid / Collaborative Issue c/o dawn lonsinger University of Utah English Dept. 255 S. Central Campus Drive, LNCO 3500 Salt Lake City, UT 84112 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:33:48 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: This Friday, October 30th @ 7 p.m. ~ Cara Benson, Elizabeth Bryant, Carla Drysdale, Brenda Iijima, Magus Magnus & Moez Surani with special guest host Julian Brolaski! Comments: To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable October 30th, Friday @ 7 p.m. ~ Cara Benson, Elizabeth Bryant, Carla Drysdale, Brenda Iijima, Magus Magnu= s & Moez Surani with special guest host Julian Brolaski! Cara Benson edits Sous Rature. Her first full length book (made) is forthco= ming from BookThug in 2010. Her chapbook Quantum Chaos and Poems: A Manifes= t(o)ation (BookThug) co-won the 2008 bpNichol Prize. Other chaps include He= Writes (No Press), UP (Dusie Kollectiv), and Spell/ing ( ) Bound (ellectri= que press) with Kai Fierle-Hedrick and Kathrin Schaeppi. Benson edited the = interdisciplinary book Prediction forthcoming from Chain. She lives and wri= tes in the analog world of upstate NY. Her online home is necessetics. ~ Elizabeth Bryant=E2=80=99s newest book, (nevertheless enjoyment, is forthco= ming fall 2009 from Quale Press. Her writing appears in many print and onli= ne journals including Wheelhouse Magazine, Coconut, Dusie, Bombay Gin, Key = Satch(el), Gerry Mulligan, and Intercapillary Space. She is the editor of C= R79 Books, and the ongoing writing experiment Defeffable. She also co-curat= es the Bard Roving Reading Series. ~ Carla Drysdale was born in London, Ontario and was educated at Ryerson univ= ersity in Toronto as well as Sarah Lawrence College in New York. Her poems = have appeared in Canadian and US journals, including the Literary Review of= Canada, Canadian Literature, the Fiddlehead, Global City Review, The Same = and LIT. She has won several fellowships to the Virginia Center for the Cre= ative Arts, where she collaborated with Pulitzer-prize winning composer Dav= id Del Tredici, who set her poem, =E2=80=98New Year=E2=80=99s Eve=E2=80=99 = to music. She recently relocated from NYC to Geneva, Switzerland, where she= works as a public radio journalist. Her first book of poems, Little Venus,= is being published in October by Toronto=E2=80=99s Tightrope Books. ~ Brenda Iijima is the author of Animate, Inanimate Aims (Litmus Books) and A= round Sea (O Books). Two books are forthcoming in the near future: revv. yo= u=E2=80=99ll=E2=80=94ution (Displaced Press) and If Not Metamorphic (Ahsaht= a Press). She is currently researching all the women who were murdered in h= er hometown of North Adams, Massachusetts as well as writing an encyclopedi= a of animals used by humans as surrogates. She publishes chapbooks on Porta= ble Press at Yo-Yo Labs. ~ Magus Magnus=E2=80=98 Verb Sap came out from Narrow House of Baltimore in a= utumn of 2008. Pieces from this work also form the basis of an ongoing expe= rimental musical collaboration with flutist Jennifer Lapple, titled =E2=80= =9CVerb Sap recitative.=E2=80=9D Over the past year, M.=E2=80=99s online ra= dio show on blogtalkradio, titled =E2=80=9CMMm=E2=80=A6 Utterance=E2=80=9D = featured readings from Verb Sap, some earlier work, and from his upcoming b= ook Imposter!: instances, regrets. M. reads regularly around the Baltimore-= D.C. area, and his work has appeared in Viviparous Blenny, Shattered Wig Re= view, the ie Reader, and more; as director of Yockadot Poetics Theatre Proj= ect, he enjoys showcasing poets and performers dedicated to exploring the v= ariety of ways text can be induced to leap off the page live. M. lives in A= lexandria, Virginia, with his wife Manya Magnus, and their two children, He= ro (age 9), and Gryphon (about to turn 4). ~ Moez Surani=E2=80=99s poetry and short fiction have been published widely i= n Canada. He has served as a writer-in-residence for the Toronto Catholic D= istrict School Board and curator for the Strong Words Reading Series in Tor= onto. Among his awards is a 2008 Chalmers Arts Fellowship, which supported = an extended research stint to India and East Africa. His debut collection o= f poems (September, 2009) is titled Reticent Bodies. guest hosted by Julian T. Brolaski is the author of the chapbooks Hellish Death Monsters (S= pooky Press, 2001), Letters to Hank Williams (True West Press, 2003), The D= aily Usonian (Atticus/Finch, 2004) and Madame Bovary=E2=80=99s Diary (Cy Pr= ess, 2005), Buck in a Corridor (flynpyntar, 2008) and the blog herm of wars= aw. Xir first book gowanus atropolis is forthcoming from Ugly Duckling Pres= se in 2010. Brolaski lives in Brooklyn where xe writes poetry, serves as a = Litmus Press editor, plays country music in The Low & the Lonesome (www.mys= pace.com/thelowandthelonesome), and curates Mongrel Vaudeville (http://mong= relvaudeville.blogspot.com). at Goodbye Blue Monday1087 Broadway(corner of Dodworth St)Brooklyn, NY 11221-3= 013(718) 453-6343 J M Z trains to Myrtle Aveor J train to Kosciusko St ~ PHOTOS and VIDEO here -- http://stainofpoetry.com/ _______ NEW BOOK Slaves to Do These Things -- http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ak3.htm=C2=A0=0A=0A= =0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:40:29 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Hugh Behm-Steinberg Subject: serendipity and webjournals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, The journal i edit, Eleven Eleven, publishes an online issue in the winter and a print issue in the summer. One of the advantages of print is serendipity -- you read a piece by someone you know, turn the page and discover someone you don't. I've noticed that most webjournals (including ours at elevenelevenjournal.com) don't work that way. You click on someone you know, then you click back to the index page -- there's little to get you to click on someone unknown. We'd like to change our interface to address that, and was wondering if there was any advice/examples/models of webjournals that are more serendipitous than the usual. Many thanks, Hugh Behm-Steinberg ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:13:00 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Chad Sweeney Subject: Re: serendipity and webjournals In-Reply-To: <423145.49625.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Take a look at fou magazine. =A0A lovely layout where you scroll down disco= vering all sorts of things. =A0 Cheers,Chad --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Hugh Behm-Steinberg wrote: From: Hugh Behm-Steinberg Subject: serendipity and webjournals To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:40 AM Hi, The journal i edit, Eleven Eleven, publishes an online issue in the winter = and a print issue in the summer.=A0 One of the advantages of print is seren= dipity -- you read a piece by someone you know, turn the page and discover = someone you don't. I've noticed that most webjournals (including ours at elevenelevenjournal.c= om) don't work that way.=A0 You click on someone you know, then you click b= ack to the index page -- there's little to get you to click on someone unkn= own. We'd like to change our interface to address that, and was wondering if the= re was any advice/examples/models of webjournals that are more serendipitou= s than the usual. Many thanks, Hugh Behm-Steinberg =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =A0 =A0 =A0=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:19:52 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Samuel Wharton Subject: Re: serendipity and webjournals In-Reply-To: <423145.49625.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 sawbuck is set up so that the entry point to the poetry is appended to a small snippet of the work inside, but without the name of the poet attached. also realpoetik, no tell motel, & a few others publish only one author at a time, so that every reader is focused on whoever is the current featured writer. ~samuel wharton, editor, sawbuck On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Hugh Behm-Steinberg < hughsteinberg@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi, > > The journal i edit, Eleven Eleven, publishes an online issue in the winter > and a print issue in the summer. One of the advantages of print is > serendipity -- you read a piece by someone you know, turn the page and > discover someone you don't. > > I've noticed that most webjournals (including ours at > elevenelevenjournal.com) don't work that way. You click on someone you > know, then you click back to the index page -- there's little to get you to > click on someone unknown. > > We'd like to change our interface to address that, and was wondering if > there was any advice/examples/models of webjournals that are more > serendipitous than the usual. > > Many thanks, > > Hugh Behm-Steinberg > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:26:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Cara Benson Subject: Re: serendipity and webjournals In-Reply-To: <423145.49625.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is an interesting thought, though I don't necessarily = Hugh,=A0=0A=0AThis is=A0an interesting thought, though I don't necessarily = agree that=A0one reads a=A0print journal=A0page to page and not in a simila= r=A0way one might click on a web contribution. That is, according to the au= thor name. The thing in=A0hand,=A0of course,=A0does lead to=A0a flipping ar= ound or an accidental falling open, whereas content mediated through=A0scre= en=A0seems to require a more intentional engagement with the line-up hidden= "behind" the home page. The index as gatekeeper. =0A=0AHaving said that, I= have blind clicked on pages all over the web. Even blind selected text. Li= terally closed my eyes before I click or highlight=A0to see what the pointe= r lands on. You could include=A0an editorial note that suggests a variety o= f random approaches.=0A=0AOr=A0the index page could list only the first con= tributor, and to get to each subsequent page one must click through the fir= st contribution. No way through but forward. Of course, this could frustrat= e some.=A0"Lose" others. Piss off contributors who come later in the queue.= I think it would be an interesting=A0experiment. One that may=A0well alrea= dy be=A0happening somewhere. =0A=0AI look forward to what you do=A0with it!= =0ACara=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0 =0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A____= ____________________=A0=0Ahttp://www.necessetics.com=A0{homepage}=A0=0Ahttp= ://www.necessetics.com/sousrature.html=A0{journal}=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________= ______________________=0AFrom: Hugh Behm-Steinberg =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Wed, October 28, 2009 1:40:29 = PM=0ASubject: serendipity and webjournals=0A=0AHi,=0A=0AThe journal i edit,= Eleven Eleven, publishes an online issue in the winter and a print issue i= n the summer.=A0 One of the advantages of print is serendipity -- you read = a piece by someone you know, turn the page and discover someone you don't.= =0A=0AI've noticed that most webjournals (including ours at elevenelevenjou= rnal.com) don't work that way.=A0 You click on someone you know, then you c= lick back to the index page -- there's little to get you to click on someon= e unknown.=0A=0AWe'd like to change our interface to address that, and was = wondering if there was any advice/examples/models of webjournals that are m= ore serendipitous than the usual.=0A=0AMany thanks,=0A=0AHugh Behm-Steinber= g=0A=0A=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is moderated = & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.= buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:07:59 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i have family from Nova Scotia. I remember the unfortunate lack of indoor plumbing when i was there 30 plus yrs ago. The most delicate matters of personal hygene were conducted in what was called an "Out/House." I was greatly saddened to note the lack of common household amenities our neighbors from the north had to endure. Correction: I was very young and a complete asshole and probably gloated over the primitive living conditions. I suspect things have improved. Saul Bellow, he dead. ________________________________ From: George Bowering To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 1:16:22 AM Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel Yeah, several science Nobels to Canadians, and a Nobel Peace prize. And if Saul Bellow hadn't skipped the country, a fiction one. On Oct 24, 2009, at 8:59 AM, steve russell wrote: > damn, the light of inspiration has blinded me with the following insight: each year, 2 nobels should be awarded. One, to a deserving recipient who's actually alive, and another to Joseph Conrad. Conrad's pessissismism (how many ssss in pessis...guess it's back to remedial speling class) was the only thing that could shut Bertrand Russell up. Russell was impressed enough by Conrad to name a son after him. > > btw, George, do they give nobels to Canadians? I seemed to recall some Canadian winning one of the science awards. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: George Bowering > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 7:33:04 PM > Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel > > That's what it appears to be, all right. > > gb > > > On Oct 20, 2009, at 11:51 AM, steve russell wrote: > >> fuck it, i'll reply to my previous post. Mueller, for all i know, was an excellent choice. Margaret Atwood has enough prizes. As far as the noble committee looking beyond Europe, who can really tell. They made an excellent decision when they choose W Soyinka for the prize, when they finally reconized a resident of an African nation that wasn't of European ancestery. But when they give the Goddamn peace prize to a head of State, or to anyone who has the ear of the State (Kissinger), their repeating the dopey mistakes they should have learned to avoid. Eventually, they'll give the prize for peace to a pro wrestler who assumes the lotus postition when he enters the ring. I almost wonder if there's a point to giving a nobel for literature in a post literate world. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: steve russell >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 1:50:05 PM >> Subject: Re: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel >> >> the damn thing is a joke. if Obama can win the Nobel Peace prize, an illiterate pre-schooler may soon be nominated for the lit prize. perhaps i'm a bit cynical, but i seriously doupt that that's the case. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bobbie Lurie >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 2:15:41 PM >> Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz--response to Joel >> >> Very well put, Joel. >> thank you-- >> Bobbi >> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:20:35 -0700 >> From: Joel Weishaus >> Subject: Herta Mueller wins 2009 Nobel literature priz >> >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01CA4D81.2265FE70 >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> Johanna; >> >> I would add that to most of the American media it wasn't even worthwhile = >> investigating who Meuller is and why she won the prize. However, even = >> when Americans win a Nobel, it's hardly covered, as it has no = >> entertainment value. I think it has more to do with ignorance than = >> jingoism. >> As for not many American writers getting a Nobel in literature, we = >> should be more concerned with our high rate of illiteracy than with who = >> wins what literary prize. >> >> -Joel =20 >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> >> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > George Harry Bowering > Younger than W.P. Kinsella > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > George Cletis Bowering Slow to anger. Well, slow about everything. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:10:11 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: serendipity and webjournals In-Reply-To: <423145.49625.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is a possibly high risk (of lost readership) suggestion: 1. Do not disclose anybody's name on either their pieces or on the Contents= page. This will compel folks to look at content. 2. A=A0 la 'twitter' let your editors choose the most 'delicious' quote of = lines from either prose piece or poem. Provide the option for a link to the= whole piece. (This would help eliminate the problem of readers who balk at= the idea of having to read a whole magazine). 3. Provide name and artist for any piece,=A0 only on request, one at a time= .=20 Good luck, Hugh!=20 Stephen Vincent who still keeps an active blog! http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Hugh Behm-Steinberg wrote: From: Hugh Behm-Steinberg Subject: serendipity and webjournals To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:40 AM Hi, The journal i edit, Eleven Eleven, publishes an online issue in the winter = and a print issue in the summer.=A0 One of the advantages of print is seren= dipity -- you read a piece by someone you know, turn the page and discover = someone you don't. I've noticed that most webjournals (including ours at elevenelevenjournal.c= om) don't work that way.=A0 You click on someone you know, then you click b= ack to the index page -- there's little to get you to click on someone unkn= own. We'd like to change our interface to address that, and was wondering if the= re was any advice/examples/models of webjournals that are more serendipitou= s than the usual. Many thanks, Hugh Behm-Steinberg =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =A0 =A0 =A0=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:42:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: serendipity and webjournals In-Reply-To: <423145.49625.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hugh, You hit the biggest problem with the web world and its logic. while it appears to open us up to a wide wide world -and in some way it does- in a deeper, pernicious way narrows it, potentially to the size of provincial village. Ciao, Murat On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Hugh Behm-Steinberg < hughsteinberg@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi, > > The journal i edit, Eleven Eleven, publishes an online issue in the winter > and a print issue in the summer. One of the advantages of print is > serendipity -- you read a piece by someone you know, turn the page and > discover someone you don't. > > I've noticed that most webjournals (including ours at > elevenelevenjournal.com) don't work that way. You click on someone you > know, then you click back to the index page -- there's little to get you to > click on someone unknown. > > We'd like to change our interface to address that, and was wondering if > there was any advice/examples/models of webjournals that are more > serendipitous than the usual. > > Many thanks, > > Hugh Behm-Steinberg > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:32:40 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Camille Martin Subject: new at Rogue Embryo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 New on my blog: Audio Issue of From East to West One-Stop Shopping: Tuxedos and Po-Boys Joan Retallack=92s Little Universes under the dome Reciprocal link exchange welcome =96 just email me and I=92ll be happy to i= nclude a link to your website or blog. Feedback is also welcome. http://rogueembryo.wordpress.com Cheers! Camille Camille Martin http://www.camillemartin.ca http://rogueembryo.wordpress.ca =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:56:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Louis Zukofsky is a first-rate arse In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Every academic journal I've dealt with is hypersensitive to permission issues. Literary types might be unaware, but their editors crack the whip. At 12:08 PM 10/22/2009, you wrote: >I think that this may be true, but are we sure it is true? > >Is some of the bitterness coming from his having been in an academic >environment? > >Is some of it because literary types might not know as much about >getting permissions for musical performance -- not know about this as >much as musicians? > >On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Jonathan Ball wrote: > > I may only be quoted if the quotes are attributed to Shakespeare instead of > > me. But seriously, if PZ wants to make some money from dear ol' dad's > > literary leavings, as he proclaims he does, he should do less to discourage > > scholarship. > > > >-- >All best, >Catherine Daly >c.a.b.daly@gmail.com > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). Forthcoming in November 2009. http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:13:21 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Tod Edgerton Subject: Re: serendipity and webjournals In-Reply-To: <423145.49625.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When looking at web journals I always click on those names I know first, but I also always click on some I don't, as I want, of course, to come to know the work of new writers, too. I do think it would be fun, however, if you installed both "next" and "shuffle" buttons that would move the reader through the site more or less blindly. I'm trying to remember offhand whether and where I've seen this before on literary sites, but I'm blanking.... All best, Michael Tod Edgerton _______________________ If the challenge of our time is the challenge of empathy, to make an empathetic relation; that is, to see another person, to feel their pain, story, whatever--that--that how can a poetic material making be part of--of that? ~ Ann Hamilton, in an interview about her installation, Indigo Blue ________________________________ From: Hugh Behm-Steinberg To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 1:40:29 PM Subject: serendipity and webjournals Hi, The journal i edit, Eleven Eleven, publishes an online issue in the winter and a print issue in the summer. One of the advantages of print is serendipity -- you read a piece by someone you know, turn the page and discover someone you don't. I've noticed that most webjournals (including ours at elevenelevenjournal.com) don't work that way. You click on someone you know, then you click back to the index page -- there's little to get you to click on someone unknown. We'd like to change our interface to address that, and was wondering if there was any advice/examples/models of webjournals that are more serendipitous than the usual. Many thanks, Hugh Behm-Steinberg ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:34:33 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Andy Gricevich Subject: Open Submissions for CANNOT EXIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Submissions are now open for the sixth issue of CANNOT EXIST.=A0=0A =0ACANNOT EXIST is a print magazine of poetry that especially loves strange= ness and urgency (in particular, work that deals in some way with sociopoli= tical and philosophical issues--but we take all kinds, as long as it thrill= s us).=A0=0A =0ASubmissions will remain open until December 1st. The issue (we think) wi= ll be out in mid-January.=A0=0A =0APlease visit the website, http://cannotexist.blogspot.com for submission= s guidelines.=A0=0A =0AAlso, consider reading the previous issues--but act fast! Issue 4 is sol= d out; there are a couple of copies of #3 left, and only a couple more of #= 5!=0A =0Aall the best to you all,=0A =0AAndy Gricevich=0Aeditor, CANNOT EXIST=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:59:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Grant Jenkins Subject: serendipity and webjournals Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hugh, The online journal, Toxic seems to have found a way around the problem you describe with typical html poetry sites. Their flash/shockwave interface allows you to =B3flip=B2 through the journal, easily checking out =B3what you don=B9t know.=B2 Check it out. Grant Grant Matthew Jenkins, Assoc. Prof. Director of the Writing Program Director of African American Studies Faculty of English Language and Literature The University of Tulsa Tulsa, OK 74104 918.631.2573 grant-jenkins@utulsa.edu =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:41:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jason Harmon Subject: Re: serendipity and webjournals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" How about mixing/sprinkling poems by each author throughout one or more w= eb pages & having the links be positional. So, if Peacock has 5 poems in= Eleven Eleven, poem 1 may be in between two authors and poem 2 may be in between= 2 other authors, etc. The viewer would bump into the other poems when scrolling...although this doesn't measure the clicks. OR extra links embedded near the results, so if Davies is the initial cli= ck, place some extra links after those poems (to other poets). The text of th= e link could say anything. You could get very fancy & randomize the lin= k.=20 Jason Harmon On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:40:29 -0700, Hugh Behm-Steinberg wrote: >Hi, > >The journal i edit, Eleven Eleven, publishes an online issue in the wint= er and a print issue in the summer. One of the advantages of print is serendipity -- you read a piece by someone you know, turn the page and discover someone you don't. > >I've noticed that most webjournals (including ours at elevenelevenjournal.com) don't work that way. You click on someone you know, then you click back to the index page -- there's little to get you = to click on someone unknown. > >We'd like to change our interface to address that, and was wondering if there was any advice/examples/models of webjournals that are more serendipitous than the usual. > >Many thanks, > >Hugh Behm-Steinberg > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check gui= delines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:00:29 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Klee Flowers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Klee Flowers: http://vispo.com/dbcinema/klee This is a series of 140 images made of pictures of paintings by Paul Klee. I made the images in dbCinema, which is a graphic synthesizer and langu(im)age processor I'm writing in Adobe Director, which is a 'multimedia authoring' program sort of like Flash. In dbCinema, one creates 'brushes'; each brush is assigned a concept--you type the concept--and then dbCinema does a google image search on the concept and retrieves images from the net related to the concept; then dbCinema uses those images as 'paint'. Boo (k), ja http://vispo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:11:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nicholas Michael Ravnikar Subject: Re: serendipity and webjournals In-Reply-To: <423145.49625.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugh, I edit a little zine called, The Bathroom. What I do is layout a PDF that contains all the authors. I think Dusie Press also uses the same model. http://bathroommagazine.wordpress.com Best, Nicholas Hugh Behm-Steinberg wrote: > Hi, > > The journal i edit, Eleven Eleven, publishes an online issue in the winter and a print issue in the summer. One of the advantages of print is serendipity -- you read a piece by someone you know, turn the page and discover someone you don't. > > I've noticed that most webjournals (including ours at elevenelevenjournal.com) don't work that way. You click on someone you know, then you click back to the index page -- there's little to get you to click on someone unknown. > > We'd like to change our interface to address that, and was wondering if there was any advice/examples/models of webjournals that are more serendipitous than the usual. > > Many thanks, > > Hugh Behm-Steinberg > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:13:05 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Robert Dewhurst Subject: cfp: HANNAH WEINER // WILD ORCHIDS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "We have unknown collaborators." -- Hannah Weiner WILD ORCHIDS, a journal of affective and inspired forms in literary criticism, is seeking submissions for its second volume, focused around the life and writing of East Village poet Hannah Weiner. Because Weiner's own writing so electrifyingly opens itself onto different voices, we feel her work lends itself particularly well to inventive modes of critical contact that dispense with the pretense of "remove" normal to academic discourse. We do not have any one form in mind, but would instead like the issue to chart how Weiner might be critically "collaborated" with today, in ways that make the most sense within contributors' own contemporary practices as poets, scholars, and fans. All submissions should be sent to , by January 1st, 2010. We suggest you have look at our first issue (on Herman Melville) before contributing. Copies remain at: http://wildorchids.endingthealphabet.org Hope to hear from you. Robert Dewhurst & Sean Reynolds, eds. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html