========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 06:34:22 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Carolyn Guinzio Subject: January YEW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable YEW : *A journal of innovative writing and images by women.* Happy New Year! Welcome in 2014 with a new issue of *YEW*. Featured this month: art + poetry by Diana Arterian, Jennifer Bartlett, Betsy Bret-Harte, Jess Burnquist, Andrea Baker, and Rachelle Sawatsky. All current and archived content can be accessed from the *=93ISSUE DETAILS= =94* page. Edited by designer Stephenie Foster and poet Carolyn Guinzio, *Yew* feature= s three writers per month with visual art provided by the writers, their collaborators, other artists or the editors. Please visit the site, and if you like what you find there, we would be grateful if you would help us by sharing news of this enterprise. Our Facebook page is *here*: We are currently accepting submissions for our third and final year, and our complete guidelines are *here*: Thanks for your support, and we hope you enjoy this issue of *Yew*. all best, Carolyn Guinzio Stephenie Foster editors =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 06:57:33 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mez breeze Subject: Wish4[0]: 40 Days. 40 News Items. 40 Creative Responses. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On this first day of the year 2014, one countdown ends and another begins. This new countdown has nothing to do with the gradual fading of 2013 and the celebratory lauding of 2014, but instead ushers in a new social project: on the 4th of January, *Wish4[0] *begins. As extensive use of mobile devices such as smart phones, wearables and tablets has become the norm, it=92s apparent how networked/online communication has become a crucial component of our everyday news and entertainment cycles, as well as a critical social tool. In the resultant infoglut we=92ve willingly created [and to which we seem quite content to constantly expose ourselves], privacy concerns are prompting pushbacks against oversharing and the incessant rush of accelerating digital news. And yet, deliberate poetic responses to such critical social issues seem constantly overlooked and underutilised=85 =85which is where* Wish4[0]* comes in. Once a day, for 40 days, a digital literature work will be posted to wishforyouand.me. Each work will take as its immediate inspiration a headline, or item, drawn from the electronic news cycle of that specific day... [Read more ] --=20 | facebook.com/MezBreezeDesign | twitter.com/MezBreezeDesign | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mez_Breeze =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 19:47:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Amanda Earl Organization: AngelHousePress Subject: AngelHousePress introduces DevilHouse Comments: To: kiki.folle@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DevilHouse is an imprint of AngelHousePress with a goal to explore & investigate the transgressive in creative work. http://devilhousepress.com/ Note that the site includes a call for submission for transgressive literature & a series of interviews with transgressive writers & publishers, Sean Moreland, M. Christian, Kathlean Bradean & Mark McCawley. I'd love to have more participants in the interviews by artists, poets, novelists, short story writers, musicians, playwrights, film makers etc... i hope you enjoy the site. Amanda Earl, yr fallen angel -- http://angelhousepress.com/content.php the angel is in the house ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 15:46:23 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Larry Sawyer Subject: New Chicago School of Poetics winter courses now online! In-Reply-To: <1063841305.93976719.1388695305151.JavaMail.root@md04.rcn.cmh.synacor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Winter Courses Now Online: Our new courses at The Chicago School of Poetics= are shorter and also therefore cheaper.=C2=A0 Classes like Poetics Level I= , II, III; Shock the Monkey: Poetry and Mass Media; Pulse Poem Pulse; and E= rasure Poetry will ready your work for publication and also help generate n= ew poetry . Our classes are designed to allow students to really get inside= the writing process of the instructor. Class sizes are limited to maximize= instruction . Register here, now:=C2=A0 http://www.chicagoschoolofpoetics.= com/=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 10:18:22 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jordan Stempleman Subject: Christie Ann Reynolds: The Continental Review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Continental Review is thrilled to present Christie Ann Reynolds's video-poem "Recreating a Miraculous Object." Please check it out and share the magic. https://vimeo.com/83175324 All best, Jordan & Nicholas ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 13:02:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=93Wordsworth's_Empiricist_Poetic_and_Its_Influence_i?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?n_the_Twentieth_Century=94_?= PDF version Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" A PDF version of my thesis, =93Wordsworth's Empiricist Poetic and Its=20 Influence in the Twentieth Century=94, is now online: http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/1041/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 10:35:03 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: Ireland in crisis ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _____________________________________ =93IRELAND IN CRISIS : THE ANALYSES AND PROPOSED SOLUTIONS=94 (A collection of papers as presented to the =93IRELAND IN CRISIS=94 Conference, the 2012 International Conference of ICIS : The International Congress of Irish Studies, meeting on 10 and 11 July 2012 at International House on the campus of the University of California at Berkeley) Edited by Dr. Se=E1n =D3 Nuall=E1in, and Published by CSP in England (Cambridge Scholars Publishing) is now available!!! Go to ... http://www.c-s-p.org/Flyers/Ireland-in-Crisis---Analyses-and-Proposed-Solut= ions1-4438-4965-0.htm or, e-mail ... orders@c-s-p.org or, check for the title at Abebooks.com, Amazon.com, Amazon.co.uk, etc. _____________________________________ Please make a book purchase request for this anthology at your local library and your local college or university library. Thank you. _____________________________________ =93IRELAND IN CRISIS=94 includes essays by the poets S=E9amas Cain (=93The New Wave of Innovative Writers in Ireland=94); Diarmuid Curraoin (=93Metaphysics and Myth in James Joyce=94); M=EDche=E1l =D3 hAodha (=93Invisible People : Invisible Culture=94); and Feargus Denman (=93Revisiting the Language of Ireland : A Revision of Ideology=94). =93IRELAND IN CRISIS=94 also includes revelations and critiques by Melanie O'Reilly and Frank Lillis (=93The Irish Music Scam=94); and Virginia Morris (=93A Rough History of The Celtic Arts Center of Los Angeles=94); among others. =93IRELAND IN CRISIS=94 also includes thought-provoking essays by Cathal MacSwiney Brugha, Catherine MacSwiney Brugha, Victor Vargas, and most particularly Dr. Se=E1n =D3 Nuall=E1in. _____________________________________ SE=C1N =D3 NUALL=C1IN [from his =93Prologue=94 to this anthology] : =93S=E9amas Cain described his play about the =91Conamara=92 community in Minnesota, and we were fortunate to have him joined in this by Bridget Connelly of UC Berkeley, who found out late in life that she too came from this background. An excerpt from Cain's Gaelic play was performed. The =91Language, literature and society=92 theme was introduced with another contribution from Cain, featured here, on innovative Irish writers, both autochthonous and diasporic, surely part of the healing of our country.=94 _____________________________________ Respectfully, S=E9amas Cain http://www.freewebs.com/seamascain _____________________________________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 09:07:17 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: dusie : the tuesday poem, The Tuesday poem, over at the dusie blog, is now nine months old! Since April 9, 2013, Ive been curating a weekly poem over at the dusie blog, the offshoot of the Swiss online journal Dusie (http://www.dusie.org/), edited/published by poet and American expat Susana Gardner. http://dusie.blogspot.ca/ The series aims to publish a mix of authors from the dusie kollektiv, as well as Canadian and international poets, ranging from emerging to the well established. Over the next few weeks and months, watch for new work by dusies and non-dusies alike, including Fenn Stewart, derek beaulieu, Susan Briante, Adeena Karasick, Marthe Reed, Brecken Hancock, Lea Graham, D.G. Jones, Monty Reid, Karen Mac Cormack, Elizabeth Willis, Susan Elmslie, Paul Vermeersch, Susan M. Schultz, Rachel Blau DuPlessis, K.I. Press, Meira Cook, Rachel Moritz, Kemeny Babineau, Gil McElroy, Geoffrey Nutter, Lisa Samuels, Dan Thomas-Glass, Judith Copithorne, Deborah Meadows, Meredith Quartermain, William Allegrezza and nikki reimer. A new poem will appear every Tuesday afternoon, Central European Summer Time, just after lunch (which is 8am in Central Canada terms). So far, the Tuesday poem series has featured new writing by Elizabeth Robinson, Megan Kaminski, Marcus McCann, Hoa Nguyen, Stephen Collis, j/j hastain, David W. McFadden, Edward Smallfield, Er¡n Moure, Roland Prevost, Maria Damon, Rae Armantrout, Jenna Butler, Cameron Anstee, Sarah Rosenthal, Kathryn MacLeod, Camille Martin, Pattie McCarthy, Stephen Brockwell, Rosmarie Waldrop, Nicole Markotic, Deborah Poe, Ken Belford, Hugh Thomas, nathan dueck, Hailey Higdon, Stephanie Bolster, Jessica Smith, Mark Cochrane, Amanda Earl, Robert Swereda, Colin Smith, Sarah Mangold, Joe Blades, Maxine Chernoff, Peter Jaeger, Dennis Cooley, Louise Bak and Phil Hall. http://www.robmclennan.blogspot.ca/2014/01/dusie-tuesday-poem.html -- writer/editor/publisher ; ottawater, above/ground press + Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ; coord., SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair poetry - Songs for little sleep, (obvious epiphanies press) ; 2nd novel - missing persons ; abovegroundpress.blogspot.com ; robmclennan.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 15:48:05 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: On Writing #18 : Eric Folsom, On Writing #18 : Eric Folsom : On Writing http://www.ottawapoetry.blogspot.ca/2014/01/on-writing-18-eric-folsom.html etc; -- writer/editor/publisher ; ottawater, above/ground press + Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ; coord., SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair poetry - Songs for little sleep, (obvious epiphanies press) ; 2nd novel - missing persons ; abovegroundpress.blogspot.com ; robmclennan.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:11:09 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: on Truck..., MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Halvard Johnson's blog, Nico Vassilakis, Alan Sondheim and Aaron Apps so far. I'm manning the cab for January. bests, md ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 11:18:28 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tony Trigilio Subject: Stephanie Strickland on Radio Free Albion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone-- The latest episode of Radio Free Albion is now live -- Stephanie Strickland, talking about her most recent book, /Dragon Logic/: http://radiofreealbion.com/episode-16-stephanie-strickland Also, if you're in the Chicago area, be sure to check out Stephanie's reading this Saturday, Jan. 11, at the Dollhouse! Enjoy! Best, Tony ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 12:44:23 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Francesco Levato Subject: 6-week courses at Chicago School of Poetics In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Classes start February 20th and we have new 6-week online courses = designed to give students the opportunity to work with our faculty in a = shortened format that costs less and requires less of a time commitment. = Check out courses like Red-Headed Stepchild: The Unholy Spawn of Poetry = and Story, Shock the Monkey: Poetry and Mass Media, Erasure Poetry and = Pulse Poem Pulse, extended versions of Publishing Bootcamp, and = returning courses like Poetics Levels 1, 2, and 3. We=92ve also streamlined our website, so courses are easier to find and = registration is only a click away. Click below to view schedule: http://www.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/category/courses/winter-2014/ -- Francesco Levato Director, Chicago School of Poetics http://www.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:23:09 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Lohr Subject: FLIPBOOK: A Critical Study of the Adult-Contemporary Poetics of Kenneth Goldsmith MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=92m very excited to share with everybody the link to a PDF proof of the critical book I=92ve written about Kenneth Goldsmith. I believe this is thi= s first critical piece to examine Goldsmith while remaining true to the spirit of his work, meaning that it is perhaps the first example of *Uncrea= tive Critical Writing *(I think, I haven=92t looked into it). http://www.actuarylit.com/?p=3D1991 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 16:01:32 +0000 Reply-To: us7-3417b42bec-24b07ebfee@conversation01.mailchimpapp.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?utf-8?Q?Drunken=20Boat?= Subject: Drunken Boat Issue #18! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Dear Drunken Boat Friends, Drunken Boat, international online journal of the arts, is pleased to announce the release of DB#18! DB#18 features special folios on Debt, our pervasive economic and psychological condition; the Ocean, which delves into the depths of nautical and marine life that surrounds us; the Librotraficante movement to smuggle banned books back into Arizona and Texas to counter the hostile anti-immigration legislation enacted there; and video_dumbo, the annual festival of international contemporary video art that has emerged over the last decade as a crucial exhibition platform for emerging filmmaker and media artists. Additionally, we are pleased to showcase our regular features on Fiction, Poetry, and Reviews. Please join us at AWP in Seattle to celebrate the launch of DB#18, and welcome our new Managing Editor, Erica Mena. We will be co-hosting a performance with Ugly Duckling Presse, Ahsahta and Les Figues Press on Friday, February 28th, @ 7pm at the Alibi Room (85 Pike Street, #410, Post Alley) in Seattle, WA. And keep an eye on our blog to find out more about what we are planning for 2014, our 15th year in existence! Drunken Boat is a non-profit organization and magazine/book publisher that depends on reader support for its existence. Drunken Boat Issue #18 is now live at drunkenboat.com/db18 - enjoy! The Editors ============================================== Unsubscribe poetics@listserv.buffalo.edu from this list: http://drunkenboat.us7.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=1038627fb7884d857e8863b19&id=4ddc36b57f&e=e237f87d49&c=5b5a34ec21 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 16:17:51 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christine Palma Subject: Wanda Coleman Memorial - January 19th - in Santa Monica CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A memorial will be held for Wanda at the Church in Ocean Park on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 2:00 PM. http://freevenicebeachhead.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/wanda-coleman-1946-2013/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 06:52:21 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Abel Subject: Mac Low events in May (Portland OR) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Please distribute, forward, post, reblog . . .] SAVE THE DATES *Spare Room **celebrates the work of Jackson Mac Low** * *May 16-17* Portland, Oregon _*Friday, May 16*_* *Marathon reading & book launch for the/Complete Light Poems/ (forthcoming from Chax Press) at Division Leap _*Saturday, May 17*_* *Readings and performances of Mac Low works and tributes by poets, musicians, dancers, and others at Performance Works NW Please consider joining us for this eagerly awaited occasion! For more information, and to participate, please contact us at spareroomreadings@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 13:26:27 -0500 Reply-To: Amy King Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Amy King Subject: From POETRY MAGAZINE - Whacked Out: A Case for the Advocacy of the Unlisted + PLUS + PLUS Comments: To: POETRY-l@GC.LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ** From POETRY MAGAZINE - Whacked Out: A Case for the Advocacy of the Unlisted* http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2014/01/whacked-out-a-case-for-the-= advocacy-of-the-unlisted-amy-king/ ** THE FIRST 4 BOOKS OF SAMPSON STARKWEATHER* - http://www.birdsllc.com/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle= &id=3D143&Itemid=3D56 ** Young women poets like Camille Rankine, Trisha Low and Lisa Marie Basile bring new energy to world of words* http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/young-women-poets-shaki= ng-world-words-article-1.1553019 ** WINNING THE **POETRY LOTTERY* - http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poem/246978 ** BOSTON REVIEW TOP 20 POEMS OF 2013 * http://v2.bostonreview.net/blog/boston-review-brs-20-top-poems-2013 ** COLDFRONT: top 40 poetry books of 2013* - http://coldfrontmag.com/features/top-40-poetry-books-of-2013-30-21 *__________* ** "POPCORN PUSSY "* ** "UNDERSTANDING THE POEM "* This is a poetry equally committed to language as a tool with social obligations and language as an art material obligated to reveal its own beauty. King=92s language does both magnificently. =97 Cole Swensen =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D You are subscribed to the POETRY-l List with e-mail address POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU To unsubscribe at any time, please follow these UNSUBSCRIBE instructions: Send any email (subject and text are ignored) to POETRY-l-SIGNOFF-REQUEST@GC.LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU or click here: https://GC.LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU/scripts/wa-gc.exe?SUBED1=3DPOETRY-l&A=3D1&s=3DPOETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 10:40:20 -0800 Reply-To: amy king Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: From POETRY MAGAZINE - Whacked Out: A Case for the Advocacy of the Unlisted Comments: To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * From POETRY MAGAZINE - Whacked Out: A Case for the Advocacy of the Unlist= ed=0A=0Ahttp://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2014/01/whacked-out-a-case-= for-the-advocacy-of-the-unlisted-amy-king/=0A=0A=0A=0A* WINNING THE=C2=A0PO= ETRY LOTTERY=C2=A0- =C2=A0http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/po= em/246978=0A=0A=0A=0A* BOSTON REVIEW TOP 20 POEMS OF 2013 -=C2=A0http://bos= tonreview.net/poetry/amy-king-string-theory=0A=0A=0A=0A__________=0A=0A* "P= OPCORN PUSSY"=0A=0A=0A* "UNDERSTANDING THE POEM"=0A=0AThis is a poetry equa= lly committed to language as a tool with social obligations and language as= an art material obligated to reveal its own beauty. King=E2=80=99s languag= e does both magnificently.=C2=A0=E2=80=94 Cole Swensen =C2=A0=C2=A0=0A=0A= =0AAmy King is a true bard. =E2=80=94 Tomaz Salamun =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 12:34:39 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Megan M. Garr" Subject: Facing Pages event in Arnhem, NL this March In-Reply-To: <52CBE608.50001@versaljournal.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi friends, Facing Pages, the biennial festival of independent print magazines, perhaps Europe's largest, is coming up again this March, and they are currently looking for magazines to include in their big exhibition. If you'd like to be included, all you have to do (it seems) is send 2 copies of your mag and contact info@facingpages.orgto let them know it's coming. To find out more and to see if it's a good fit for you, their website is here: http://www.facingpages.org I'm not associated with the organization so please direct any questions to Facing Pages themselves. Happy new year! I hope to see many of you in Seattle soon! Megan -- A journal is a fish Order the new edition now at versaljournal.org/order Megan M. Garr Editor Versal The literary & arts journal out of Amsterdam http://www.versaljournal.org email: megan@versaljournal.org @_garr Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/versaljournal Twitter: http://twitter.com/versaljournal Newsletter: http://eepurl.com/eh4yT ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 12:15:03 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sam Ladkin Subject: Fwd: Blackbox Manifold - Launch Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <3EC830AD-ADCD-4FD5-933E-1484B89C46F7@sheffield.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear All, An announcement from Adam Piette and Alex Houen of the new Blackbox Manifold. Best, Sam Dear all, The winter 2013 issue of *Blackbox Manifold* launches today. We are very pleased with it, and if you are too, it would be great if you could spread the word. The issue features work by Louis Armand, Dan Beachy-Quick, Andrew Cox, Jen Degregorio, Mark Dow, Valerie Duff, Giles Goodland, Anne Gorrick, Ben Hickman, Linda Kemp, Burgess Needle, John Regan, Denise Riley, Robert Sheppard, Gary Sloboda, Simon Smith, Jeffrey Thomson, Philip Wilson, with an essay by John Wilkinson on D.S. Marriott, and Adam Piette reviewing Alan Halsey; *CUSP*, ed. Geraldine Monk; Helen Mort; John Birtwhistle; David Kennedy & Christine Kennedy's *Women's Experimental Poetry*. Here it is: http://www.manifold.group.shef.ac.uk/ Happy New Year, with all very best wishes, Adam Piette & Alex Houen, Editors *Blackbox Manifold* ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 07:39:05 -0800 Reply-To: Adam Fieled Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Fieled Subject: Tolstoy and the Great Recession MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An attempt at American psycho-social critique via Tolstoy:=0A=A0=0Ahttp://w= ww.scribd.com/doc/196942187/Recuperation-of-Piety-Tolstoy-and-the-Great-Rec= ession=0A=A0=0AMany Thanks,=0AAdam=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 afieled@yahoo.com=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:48:47 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ariella Ruth Goldberg Subject: innovation & contemplation: Experimental Writing at the Jack Kerouac School MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Join us at Bookbar for a night of experimental readings sponsored by Naropa= Admissions. Thinking of applying to the Jack Kerouac School? Bring your qu= estions and experience a taste of what JKS has to offer! Friday, January 24, 2014 7-10 p.m. Bookbar 4280 Tennyson St., Denver 7-8:30 p.m. JKS student, faculty, staff, alumni reading 8:45-10 p.m. Open mic We hope to see you there! Ariella Ruth, MFA Program Assistant Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics Naropa University agoldberg@naropa.edu 303-546-3581 Please note the days and times I am in the office on non-event weeks: M & T 9:00-5:30 / W 9:00-1:00 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 14:26:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Drunken Boat#18 is live! In-Reply-To: <52CAC325.1060505@thetextgarage.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Drunken Boat, international online journal of the arts, announces the relea= se of DB#18, with special folios on Debt, our pervasive economic and psycho= logical condition; the Ocean, which delves into the depths of nautical and = marine life that surrounds us; the Librotraficante movement to smuggle bann= ed books back into Arizona and Texas to counter the hostile anti-immigratio= n legislation enacted there; and video_dumbo, the annual festival of intern= ational contemporary video art that has emerged over the last decade as a c= rucial exhibition platform for emerging filmmaker and media artists.=20 Additionally, we are pleased to showcase our regular features on Fiction, P= oetry, and Reviews.=20 Please join us at AWP in Seattle to celebrate the launch of DB#18. We will = be co-hosting a performance with Ugly Duckling Presse, Ahsahta and Les Figu= es Press on Friday, February 28th, @ 7pm at the Alibi Room (85 Pike Street,= #410, Post Alley) in Seattle, WA.=20 And keep an eye on our blog to find out more about what we are planning for= 2014, our 15th year in existence! DB#18 is now online at: [http://www.dru= nkenboat.com]. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 10:02:34 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Perman Subject: New PDF Book Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" My new book, Uncollected Poems a Sampler, Vol. 1 has just been released f= rom Room Press. The book is offered hors de commerce at roompress@aol.com. I hope you'll find it a good read. Just ask. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 10:00:07 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: Tuesday poem #40 : Fenn Stewart, Tuesday poem #40 : Fenn Stewart : a most notable fault http://www.dusie.blogspot.ca/2014/01/tuesday-poem-40-fenn-stewart-most.html etc; -- writer/editor/publisher ; ottawater, above/ground press + Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ; coord., SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair poetry - Songs for little sleep, (obvious epiphanies press) ; 2nd novel - missing persons ; abovegroundpress.blogspot.com ; robmclennan.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 11:59:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Al Filreis Subject: PoemTalk #73 - on Steve Benson's improvisations Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Today we are releasing episode #73 of the PoemTalk series - a 30-minute = audio podcast in which Tyrone Williams, Patrick Durgin, Thom Donovan, = and I discuss an improvisation by Steve Benson that consists solely of = questions. http://jacket2.org/podcasts/it-over-already-poemtalk-73=20 http://www.poetryfoundation.org/features/audioitem/4584 Al Filreis http://writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 10:56:44 -0800 Reply-To: amy king Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Poet Takes on Hitler ... Comments: To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Triumph of the Will" @ Spork Press -=A0http://sporkpress.com/?p=3D4575=A0= =0A=0AFeatures Olympian, Jesse Owens, film director, Bud Greenspan, and an = amazing woman, Leni Riefenstahl, who made Adolf Hitler look very, very good= .=0A=0AResearched, lived & true (I worked for the film director).=0A=0AThan= ks for reading,=0A=0AAmy=0A=0A=0A___=0A=0A* FROM POETRY MAGAZINE - Whacked = Out: A Case for the Advocacy of the Unlisted=A0-=A0http://www.poetryfoundat= ion.org/harriet/2014/01/whacked-out-a-case-for-the-advocacy-of-the-unlisted= -amy-king/=A0=0A=0A=0A* Poet Takes on Hitler (sort of) -=A0http://sporkpres= s.com/?p=3D4575 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 11:57:01 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Pacifica Graduate Institute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to make members of this list aware of the "Engaged Humanities and the Creative Life" MA program at Pacifica Graduate Institute. It is a hybrid on-line/low residency program, although students look forward to the 4-day residentials because of the beauty of the campus, which is in the hills a few miles south of Santa Barbara, CA.: http://www.pacifica.edu/ Such distinguished scholars as mythologist Joseph Campbell, psychologist James Hillman, Religious Studies professor David L. Miller, and philosopher Edward S. Casey have taught there. The present Chair is literary critic, Susan Rowland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXHCIYefgsc The Engaged Humanities program values both scholarship and creativity, with an emphasis on Depth (Jungian) Psychology: http://www.pacifica.edu/humanities.aspx Best, Joel -- Joel Weishaus Artist-in-Residence Pacifica Graduate Institute 249 Lambert Road Carpinteria, CA 93013 Homepage: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 18:38:46 -0800 Reply-To: Jennifer Karmin Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Comments: RFC822 error: Invalid RFC822 field - "Saturday, January 11th". Rest of header flushed. From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Jan 11: Collaborative Reading for Modern Language Association MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A collabora= THE VULNERABLE RUMBLE=0ASaturday, January 11th=0A8-10pm=0A=0A=0AA collabora= tive reading=0Afor the Modern Language Association=C2=A0=0Asponsored by Red= Rover=0ASeries {readings that play with reading}=0Acurated by Laura=0AGold= stein, Jennifer Karmin & Laura Mullen =0A=C2=A0=0AFeaturing: Amaranth=0ABor= suk, Amy Catanzano, BK Fischer, Chris Glomski, Alan Golding, Rob Halpern, C= arla=0AHarryman, Lyn Hejinian, Douglas Kearney, John Keene, Philip Metres, = Laura=0AMoriarty, Ladan Osman, Danielle Pafunda, Lily Robert-Foley, Kenyatt= a Rogers,=0AJennifer Scappettone, Evie Shockley, Divya Victor, Barrett Watt= en, Christine=0AWertheim, Keith Wilson, Ronaldo Wilson & Kate Zambreno =0A= =0Aat Outer Space Studio=0A1474 N. Milwaukee Ave =E2=80=93=0AChicago, IL=0A= (third floor walk up, not wheelchair accessible)=0Anear CTA Damen blue line= =0Asuggested donation $4=0A=0AOur theme coincides with the 2014 MLA theme "= Vulnerable Times".=0AReaders will bring forward some writing (their own or = by another) which is=0Aitself vulnerable or bears the marks of vulnerabilit= y upon it: forgotten work,=0Awork that nearly didn't exist, denied or disco= uraged work, etc. For the=0Aperformance, readers will adhere to codes of vu= lnerability to create the order/disorder=0Afor the evening.=0A=0A=0ARed Rov= er Series is=0Acurated by Laura Goldstein and Jennifer Karmin. Each event i= s designed as a=0Areading experiment with participation by local, national,= and international=0Awriters, artists, and performers. Founded in 2005, the= over seventy events have=0Afeatured a diversity of renowned creative minds= . =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 21:06:28 GMT Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "skyplums@juno.com" Subject: amiri baraka and roy campbell gone Comments: To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 trumpeter and great friend roy campbell and friend and mentor poet amiri baraka have both passed away = yesterday and today in that order very saddend =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:53:13 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: new(ish) on rob's clever blog -- Aaron Giovannone, The Loneliness Machine -- A 'best of' list of 2013 Canadian poetry books -- 12 or 20 (second series) questions with Kristian Enright -- Rachel Zucker, MOTHERs -- short story: Character sketch -- happy birthday, kate! -- dusie : the tuesday poem, -- 12 or 20 (second series) questions with Lucy Ives -- Another Christmas in (old) Glengarry, including Motebello & Ottawa -- Language Matters: Interviews with 22 Quebec Poets, -- (another) very short story; -- 12 or 20 (second series) questions with Lynn Davies -- Souvankham Thammavongsa, Light -- 12 or 20 (second series) questions with Edmund Berrigan -- The Capilano Review announces the L A N G U A G E contest -- happy christmas, holiday, whatsis! etc; -- Jamie Sharpe, Animal Husbandry Today -- On Writing : an occasional series -- Robin Clarke, Lines the Quarry -- 12 or 20 (second series) questions with Renee Sarojini Saklikar -- Stuart Ross, You Exist, Details Follow -- two new poems, from Glossary of Musical Terms -- Posit #1 -- writing fatherhood, pt. 4 (of 4) : open book: ontario -- 12 or 20 (second series) questions with Danny Jacobs -- Now available! Ground rules: the best of the second decade of above/ground press 2003-2013 (Chaudiere Books) -- (another) very short story; -- 12 or 20 (second series) questions with Jordan Abel -- DJ Dolack, Whittling a New Face in the Dark -- Lynn Crosbie, Life Is About Losing Everything -- Larissa Lai and Rita Wong, Sybil Unrest -- 12 or 20 (second series) questions with Kiki Petrosino -- new from above/ground press: Timewell + dueck, -- Peter Culley, Parkway -- Lily Brown, The Haptic Cold -- 12 or 20 (second series) questions with Victoria Chang -- Deborah Meadows, Translation the bass accompaniment -- 12 or 20 questions: a (small) overview, -- Ken Belford, Internodes -- 12 or 20 (second series) questions with Jessica Kluethe -- grain magazine 41.1: home-myths -- Ongoing notes: late November, 2013 -- six short short stories and an essay : matchbooklit -- 12 or 20 (second series) questions with Fiona Sze-Lorrain -- Lucy Ives, Orange Roses -- two new poems : thunderclap press -- Book launch! Ground rules: the best of the second decade of above/ground press 2003-2013 (Chaudiere Books), December 7, 2013 -- Keith Waldrop, The Not Forever -- Jonathan Ball, The Politics of Knives -- Introducing: Rose Irene Valentina McLennan, b. Nov 20, 2013 www.robmclennan.blogspot.com now with a paypal donate/support button! & new pieces up as well at the ottawa poetry newsletter, by Eric Folsom, Edward Smallfield + others www.ottawapoetry.blogspot.com & a slew of new titles coming up soon at the above/ground press blog, www.abovegroundpress.blogspot.com & the Chaudiere Books blog, www.chaudierebooks.blogspot.com -- writer/editor/publisher ; ottawater, above/ground press + Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ; coord., SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair poetry - Songs for little sleep, (obvious epiphanies press) ; 2nd novel - missing persons ; abovegroundpress.blogspot.com ; robmclennan.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:49:55 -0800 Reply-To: amy king Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Less than two weeks left to support the Larry Eigner project - MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A biography of a major poet, Larry Eigner, which expands research on disabi= lity and Black Mountain Poetics.=0A=0Ahttp://www.kickstarter.com/projects/8= 94916256/the-larry-eigner-project=0A=A0=A0=0A=0AAmy=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______= ____=0A=0A* FROM POETRY MAGAZINE - Whacked Out: A Case for the Advocacy of = the Unlisted -=A0http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2014/01/whacked-ou= t-a-case-for-the-advocacy-of-the-unlisted-amy-king/=A0=0A=0A* Poet Takes on= Hitler (sort of) -=A0http://sporkpress.com/?p=3D4575=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 18:43:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Amy King Subject: Less than two weeks left to support the Larry Eigner project - Comments: To: Lucifer Poetics Group , pussipo@googlegroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *A biography of a major poet, Larry Eigner, which expands research on disability and Black Mountain Poetics.* *http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project * Amy __________ * FROM POETRY MAGAZINE - Whacked Out: A Case for the Advocacy of the Unlisted - http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2014/01/whacked-out-a-case-for-the-advocacy-of-the-unlisted-amy-king/ * Poet Takes on Hitler (sort of) - http://sporkpress.com/?p=4575 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 00:59:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Eric Linsker Subject: Poetry Project reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, I'll be reading at the Poetry Project Monday night at 8 from my forthcoming book, La Far. I'd be excited to see you if you happen to be free in New York. More on the reading at facebook.com/events/215357005303210 and on the book at uiowapress.org/books/2014-spring/la-far.htm. Happy new year, Eric ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 09:29:13 +0530 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Kulpreet Yadav Subject: Issue 8, Open Road Review literary journal, final 7 days to submit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Editors, Please publish the following information. Thank you in advance. Regards, Kulpreet ------------------------------------------------------------ Hi all, FINAL 7 days to SUBMIT. We are looking for short fiction, poetry, creative nonfiction and art work. Issue 8 will be published on 1 Feb 14. Please check the guidelines. Best wishes, Kulpreet Yadav New Delhi Editor, www.openroadreview.in *Use the time of a total stranger in such a way that he or she will not feel the time was wasted*. Kurt Vonnegut. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 09:51:33 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sharon Dolin Subject: Chiasmus in Contemporary Poetry Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Poets, I am writing a paper on Chiasmus in Contemporary Poetry and am looking = for examples in your work or in those of our contemporaries. Please = email me below.=20 Thanks so much! Sharon Sharon Dolin sdolin@earthlink.net www.sharondolin.com 2013 Witter Bynner Fellowship, Library of Congress =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:32:18 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 New and On View: Mudlark No. 53 (2014) Some Uncommon Poems and Versions by Georg Trakl Translated by James Reidel Contents Melancholie > Melancholy In ein altes Stammbuch > In an Old Guest Book Verwandlung > Metamorphosis Kleines Konzert > Concertino Menschheit > Mankind Untergang > Going Down An einen Fr=FChverstorbenen > To One Short-Lived Der Heilige > The Saint St.-Peters-Friedhof > St. Peter's Cemetery Ermatten > Slackening De Profundis I > De Profundis I M=E4rchen > Myth An Angela > To Angela Delirium > Delirium Am Rand eines alten Wassers > At the Rim of Old Water An Mauern hin > Along Walls An Johanna > To Johanna An Luzifer [Bitte] > To Lucifer [Please] Nimm blauer Abend > Seize someone's temple JAMES REIDEL has published poems in many journals over the years and his = new book of verse, Jim=92s Book, is now available from Black Lawrence = Press. He is the biographer of Weldon Kees. With Daniele Pantano, he has = translated Rober Walser=92s dramolets=97short plays=97selections from = which appear in Conjunctions 60 (Spring 2013) and a forthcoming New = Directions pamphlet. He has translated two novels by Werfel, including = Pale Blue Ink in a Lady=92s Hand and an expanded and revised translation = of The Forty Days of Musa Dagh, both published by David R. Godine in = 2012. He has also translated two books of poems by Thomas Bernhard in = one volume, In Hora Mortis/Under the Iron of the Moon, a 2006 selection = in Princeton University Press=92s Lockert Library of Poetry in = Translation. He is currently finalizing Our Trakl, a three-book = collection of the work of Georg Trakl to mark the centenary of the = Austrian poet=92s death in 1914.=20 Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:26:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Heller Subject: Tailor-Made Traditions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To colleagues and friends, The essay collection from the conference on American experimental poetry held at the University of Toulouse-Mirail which includes papers by American, British and French writers, has been published as a special bi-lingual issue of Anglophonia/Caliban entitled "Tailor-Made Traditions: The Poetics of US Experimental Verse, from H.D. to Michael Heller." More information is available at the website: http://w3.pum.univ-tlse2.fr/~no-35-Traditions-sur-mesure~.html MH -- Home page: michaelhellerpoetry.com Recent books: This Constellation Is A Name: Collected Poems 1965-2010 (Nightboat Books, 2012);Beckmann Variations & Other Poems (Shearsman, 2010); Eschaton (Talisman, 2009); Two Novellas: Marble Snows & The Study (ahadada books, 2009); Speaking the Estranged: Essays on the work of George Oppen (Salt, 2008); Uncertain Poetries: Essays on Poets, Poetry and Poetics (Salt, 2005); Exigent Futures: New and Selected Poems (Salt, 2003). Available at bookstores, SPD and at Amazon.com Collaborations with the composer Ellen Fishman Johnson: This Art Burning and other poetry, Benjamin (a music-theater work based on the life of Walter Benjamin), go to: http://www.efjcomposer.com/efjcomposer/Welcome.html and for excerpts visit Ellen’s Youtube videos at: http://www.youtube.com/user/efjcomposer Michael Heller PennSound page: http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Heller.php ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:57:37 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: The Factory Reading Series: Thomas, Lea + erskine, Feb 6, 2014 The Factory Reading presents: a night of readings and chapbook launches with readings by: N.W. Lea (Ottawa ON) Hugh Thomas (Fredericton NB) + m erskine (Toronto ON) lovingly hosted by rob mclennan Thursday, February 6, 2014; doors 7pm; reading 7:30pm The Carleton Tavern, Ottawa 223 Armstrong Street (at Parkdale; upstairs) author bios: N.W. Lea lives and writes in Ottawa. He is the author of two previous chapbooks, light years (above/ground press, 2006) and Actual Girl (The Emergency Response Unit, 2011) as well as the full-length collection, Everything is Movies (Chaudiere Books, 2007). He will be launching his second above/ground press chapbook Present! (2014). Hugh Thomas is a poet and translator living in Fredericton, where he teaches mathematics at the University of New Brunswick. His most recent chapbook, Opening the Dictionary, published by above/ground press, was shortlisted for the 2012 bpNichol chapbook award. Franzlations, a collection of illustrated Kafka remixes, created with Gary Barwin and Craig Conley, was published by New Star Books in 2011. He will be launching his second above/ground press chapbook Albanian Suite (2014). m erskine is a long-time corrupter of words. The poetry condition is responding well to treatment, thanks for asking. She also had an above/ground press poem broadside reprinted in the anthology Groundswell: the best of above/ground press, 1993-2003 (Broken Jaw Press, 2003). http://www.abovegroundpress.blogspot.ca/2014/01/the-factory-reading-series-lea-thomas.html -- writer/editor/publisher ; ottawater, above/ground press + Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ; coord., SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair poetry - Songs for little sleep, (obvious epiphanies press) ; 2nd novel - missing persons ; abovegroundpress.blogspot.com ; robmclennan.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:56:15 +0900 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Philip Rowland Subject: NOON: journal of the short poem MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Issue 8 of NOON: journal of the short poem is now online. It is designed = to be read in the issuu 'flip book' format: http://issuu.com/noonpress/docs/noon_8 or can be downloaded as a PDF:=20 http://noonpoetry.com/issues/ The reading period for the next issue will be announced in the Spring.=20= If you'd like to get any back (print) issues, please let me know = (noonpress@mac.com). All the best, Philip Philip Rowland NOON: journal of the short poem=20 (Tokyo, Japan) noonpoetry.com= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 09:28:31 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Shira Dentz Subject: Please post In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The new issue of Talisman: A Journal of Contemporary Poetry and Poetics = Issue #42 -- 2014 is live now! Featuring special sections including The = Occupation: The First of Three Major Selections of Works by and about = Women Writers around the World edited by Lisa Bourbeau: essays, poetry, = fiction, translations, commentary, and more! Read the issue online at: = http://www.talismanmag.net/ > =20 > =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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KEPPLER =20 http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/ =20 https://www.facebook.com/EratioPoetryJournal =20 https://twitter.com/EratioPoetry =20 e=B7ratio is edited by Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino with contributing = editor Joseph F. Keppler e=B7= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 23:36:48 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: This Sun./Boog Reader 7 Brooklyn Event Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please forward ---------------------- Boog City presents The Portable Boog Reader 7: N.Y.C. and Pittsburgh Release Party This Sun., Jan. 19, 1:00 p.m. ONLINE NOW http://boogcity.com/boogpdfs/bc85.pdf Unnameable Books 600 Vanderbilt Ave. Brooklyn WITH READINGS FROM PBR7 CONTRIBUTORS N.Y.C. POETS Nicholas DeBoer * Claire Donato * Darrel Alejandro Holnes Jeff T Johnson * Morgan Parker * Quincy Troupe * Ken L. Walker PITTSBURGH POETS Shawn Maddey * Alicia Salvadeo AND MUSIC FROM Marianne Pillsbury with songs from Depression: The Musical Curated and hosted by Portable Boog Reader 7 N.Y.C. editors Laura =20 Henriksen, Amy King, David Kirschenbaum, Geoffrey Olsen, Nicole =20 Peyrafitte, and Angela Veronica Wong, and Pittsburgh editors Margaret Bashaar and Lauren Russell. Hosted and curated by Boog City editor and publisher David Kirschenbaum For further information: 212-842-BOOG (2664), editor@boogcity.com **Boog City http://www.boogcity.com Boog City is a New York City-based small press now in its 23rd year =20 and East Village community newspaper of the same name. It has put out =20= approximately 200 publications, including 35 volumes of poetry and =20 various magazines and a newspaper, featuring work by Allen Ginsberg =20 and Lawrence Ferlinghetti among others, and theme issues on baseball, =20= women=92s writing, and Louisville, Ky. It hosts and curates two regular =20= performance series=97d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press, =20= featuring a non-NYC small press, its writers, and a musical act; and =20 Classic Albums Live, where up to 13 local musical acts perform a =20 classic album live. Past albums have included Elvis Costello, My Aim =20 is True; Nirvana, Nevermind; Sleater-Kinney's, Dig Me Out; and Liz =20 Phair, Exile in Guyville. All of these series are hosted at Sidewalk =20 Cafe. **Nicholas DeBoer Nicholas DeBoer is a poet from the United States. Co-runner of the =20 journal Elderly. Currently, living in Bushwick, Brooklyn. **Claire Donato http://www.somanytumbleweeds.com/ Claire Donato lives in Windsor Terrace, Brooklyn, and is the author of =20= Burial (Tarpaulin Sky Press). Her hometown is Pittsburgh. **Darrel Alejandro Holnes Darrel Alejandro Holnes is a writer-producer whose book, Prime, with =20 other members of the Phantastique 5, a selection of young poets for =20 The Best American Poetry blog by Jericho Brown, is forthcoming from =20 Sibling Rivalry Press in 2014. He teaches at Rutgers University and =20 resides in the East Village. **Jeff T. Johnson http://www.jefftjohnson.com/ Jeff T. Johnson=92s poetry has recently appeared in coconut, smoking =20 glue gun, and Forklift, Ohio, and he holds a digital residency at The =20= Organism for Poetic Research. He lives in Windsor Terrace, Brooklyn, =20 is editor in chief at LIT, and edits Dewclaw. **Shawn Maddey http://www.bargepress.com/ Shawn Maddey is the editor of Barge Press. **Morgan Parker http://www.morgan-parker.com/ Morgan Parker=92s first collection, Other People=92s Comfort Keeps Me Up = =20 At Night, is forthcoming from Switchback Books. Recent works are =20 forthcoming from Gigantic Sequins and Tin House. She lives in Bedford=96=20= Stuyvesant, Brooklyn. **Marianne Pillsbury http://www.depressionthemusical.com/ Maine native Marianne Pillsbury=92s life changed the day she was cast in = =20 a community theater production of Annie at age 10. It seemed she was =20 on the yellow brick road to musical theaterdom until she attended =20 Brown University where she showed her first signs of rock & roll =20 rebellion writing her senior honors English thesis, =93Pop Icon Prince=92s= =20 Dual Obsession with Sexual Ecstasy & Religious Salvation: A Textual & =20= Cultural Analysis.=94 In 2004, after escaping a harrowing career as an =20= advertising copywriter, she released her debut album, The Wrong =20 Marianne, on her own indie label, Average White Girl Records. Produced by award-winning songwriter Bonnie Hayes (Bonnie Raitt=92s =20 =93Have A Heart=94), the album received positive reviews from The New = York =20 Times, Time Out New York, The Boston Herald and The San Francisco =20 Chronicle and elicited comparisons to the best work of Liz Phair, =20 Juliana Hatfield, and Jill Sobule. In 2007, Marianne started teaching songwriting workshops at the Willie =20= Mae Rock Camp for Girls, a non-profit music and mentoring program that =20= empowers girls and women by encouraging them to explore self-=20 expression through music. For four and a half years, Marianne worked behind-the-scenes at the =20 Jazz Foundation of America, helping elder jazz and blues musicians in =20= crisis. Her work with Willie Mae and the Jazz Foundation inspired her to start =20= writing an autobiographical pop-rock musical, Depression: The Musical, =20= which was selected as a sponsored project of the New York Foundation =20 for the Arts in 2008. **Alicia Salvadeo http://aliciasalvadeo.tumblr.com/ Alicia Salvadeo is the author of two chapbooks, Memory Milk (Diamond =20 Wave Press) and Err to Narrow (Poetry Society of America). **Quincy Troupe Quincy Troupe is the author or co-author of 20 books and 10 volumes of =20= poems. His most recent books are Earl the Pearl, co-authored with Earl =20= Monroe (Rodale Books) and Erran=E7ities (Coffee House Press). He is =20 editor of Black Renaissance Noire, published at New York University. **Ken L. Walker http://kenlwalker.tumblr.com/ Ken L. Walker carries a Kentucky driver=92s license in his wallet. His =20= work can be found in Atlas Review, Bright Pink Mosquito, Lumberyard, =20 The Seattle Review, Washington Square, The Bakery, likewise folio, and =20= the anthology Oil & Water. Directions: 2, 3 to Grand Army Plaza, C to Clinton-Washington avenues, Q to 7th Ave. Venue is bet. Prospect Pl./St. Marks Ave. -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W. 28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) Twitter: @boogcity For music from Gilmore boys: http://www.myspace.com/gilmoreboysmusic= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 18:55:59 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Laura Hinton Subject: CALL FOR PAPERS ON JAYNE CORTEZ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We are looking for paper proposals for a conference panel on Jayne Cortez," at the upcoming American Literature Association conference in Washington D.C. (May 2014). Paper topics might include Cortez's use of sound, image, other structures in her jazz-sonic poetics, multi-media, performance, personae, her critique of gender-oppression and racism, her pan-African and New York City-based activism. If you are interested in submitting a paper abstract, please backchannel me ASAP. Thanks! laurahinton12@gmail.com -- Laura Hinton Professor of English City College of New York 138 at Convent Ave. New York, New York 10031 www.mermaidtenementpress.com http://www.chantdelasirene.com *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- Circe* ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 15:00:51 -0800 Reply-To: "c. s. giscombe" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Comments: RFC822 error: Invalid RFC822 field - "Jenny Boully is the author of fiv=". Rest of header flushed. From: "c. s. giscombe" Subject: Giscombe & Boully reading at Poetry Project, 15 January MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wednesday, January 15, 2014 =0A8:00 pm =0AJenny Boully is the author of fiv= e books, most recently,=C2=A0of the mismatched teacups, of the single-servi= ng spoon: a book of failures (Coconut Books). Her other books include not m= erely because of the unknown that was stalking toward them (Tarpaulin Sky P= ress), The Books of Beginnings and Endings (Sarabande Books), [one love aff= air]* (Tarpaulin Sky Press), and The Body: An Essay (Essay Press).=0AC. S. = Giscombe=E2=80=99s poetry books are Prairie Style, Giscome Road, Here, etc.= ; his prose book is Into and Out of Dislocation.=C2=A0 His recognitions inc= lude the 2010 Stephen Henderson Award, an American Book Award (for Prairie = Style) and the Carl Sandburg Prize (for Giscome Road).=C2=A0 Two new prose = books having to do with poetry=E2=80=94Border Towns and Ohio Railroads=E2= =80=94will be published in 2014 or 2015.=C2=A0 He teaches at the University= of California, Berkeley.=0A=0AThe Poetry Project at St. Mark=E2=80=99s Chu= rch=C2=A0 | 131 E. 10th Street, New York, NY 10003 =0A=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A______= ________=0AC. S. Giscombe=0A=0A=0Acsgiscombe@yahoo.com =0A=0A=0Acsgiscombe@= berkeley.edu=0A=0A=0Atelephone: 814-571-0429 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 09:33:08 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: Tuesday poem #41 : derek beaulieu Tuesday poem #41 : derek beaulieu : untitled #5 http://www.dusie.blogspot.ca/2014/01/tuesday-poem-41-derek-beaulieu-untitled.html etc; -- writer/editor/publisher ; ottawater, above/ground press + Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ; coord., SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair poetry - Songs for little sleep, (obvious epiphanies press) ; 2nd novel - missing persons ; abovegroundpress.blogspot.com ; robmclennan.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 11:34:14 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nico Vassilakis Subject: This Vispo is Yours MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Visual Language=2C Vispo=2C Staring Blocks=2C PDFs=2C Video=2C Notes=2C etc http://staringpoetics.weebly.com/ any vispo reviewers out there? = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 12:26:57 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Public Dialog from the Cybermind Conference, 1996 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Public Dialog from the Cybermind Conference, 1996 Please go to http://www.alansondheim.org/cyberconf.txt This is early on, and deals with text-based vituality, cyber-sex, community, and other related issues. Thought it would be of interest again, even with all its faults. The conference was held in Perth. We used a MOO, newsgroup, CuSee-Me, and other online means to communicate to the world at large. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:46:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Judah Rubin Subject: JAN 18th////////SEGUE PRESENTS ED STECK and ANSELM BERRIGAN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *THIS SATURDAY, JANUARY 18th, 2014* at 4:30 PM SEGUE is thrilled to bring you (and all your friends) ED STECK and ANSELM BERRIGAN *Where????* ZINC BAR 82 WEST 3rd St. NEW YORK, NY $5 admission goes to the readers. Straight to them. Immediately. Yes... But! Who are you giving your money, your time, your attention to *????* Ed Steck is a writer from Southwestern Pennsylvania, currently living in Pittsburgh. Ugly Duckling Presse will be publishing his first book, The Garden: Synthetic Environment for Analysis and Simulation, in November, 2013. Anselm Berrigan=92s recent publications include LOADING, a collaborative bo= ok with painter Jonathan Allen (Brooklyn Arts Press); Sure Shot (Overpass Books), a wee magenta chapbook filled with poems that don=92t know nothin= =92 about nobody; & a dos-a-dos fluorescent pink booklet written with Anna Moschovakis called Anna=92s Half / Anselm=92s Half. And, one week later... +++JANUARY 25: SSYZYGY + TAN LIN =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 14:19:29 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: XEROLAGE 56 by Rosaire Appel Comments: To: UKPOETRY@listserv.muohio.edu, Theory and Writing , spidertangle group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - X E R O L A G E 5 6 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - P'layout Intrusions. By Rosaire Appel p'layout =3D page layout. I noticed finally that I've been noticing page layouts for while, a long while even, perhaps since childhood. I remember how pictures and words were dispersed in those first books. Maybe everyone does. The subject is: the arrangement of information on a flat surface =97 not in terms of good and b= ad design =97 but as a language in its own right. It's a language that has a l= ot of formality, like architecture. Books, newspapers, magazines of course =97 contemporary and historic =97 and also ancient writing on papyrus, on stone= , on clay=85. No doubt my (abstract) comics are inspired by this also. I'm not researching however, I'm not even thinking about it: I'm just noticing it in the world =97 and exploring it on the page. The foundations of these compositions were blocks of newspaper text to which I added shards from my own commercially-printed book proofs. They're collages of layouts =97 with additions and subtractions =97 suggestive, allusive. features the flotsam and jetsam of partially hidden dialogue; language as an exploded view--as a blur doused in ink. Here, the possibilities of space and displacement form in a marriage of images and text that boast this inaccessible, yet very accessible decomposition-- laying out form and anti-form, while suggesting the possibilities of the impossible. =97Matina Stamatakis The pages of P'Layout Intrusions by Rosaire Appel unfold like a graphic novel, a near wordless journey through text turned geography. Organic shapes and columnar panels invite us to narrate for ourselves the action of Appel's thoughtful collage sequence. =97Robin F. Brox Rosaire Appel's Intrusions Playout is one book of visual poetry that will register on seismographs all over the world. Each page is in the midst of topsy-turvy seismic activity: fault-blocks of text upturning, image-magma under immense pressure erupting into space, molten lava bursting into flame. Bring a hard hat readers! =97Crag Hill more at: http://xexoxial.org/is/xerolage56/by/rosaire_appel For orders outside the US, cheaper and faster to purchase from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Playout-Intrusions-Xerolage-Volume-56/dp/1936687208/r= ef=3Dsr_1_8?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1389730389&sr=3D8-8&keywords=3Drosaire+appel The primary investigation of Xerolage is how collage technique of 20th century art, typography, computer graphics, visual & concrete poetry movements & the art of the copier have been combined. Each issue is devoted to the work of one artist. 24 pages, 8.5 x 11, $6. Subscriptions: 4 issues/$24 www.xexoxial.org perspicacity@xexoxial.org XEXOXIAL EDITIONS 10375 Cty Hway Alphabet La Farge WI 54639 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 21:42:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Robert Zamsky Subject: Re: CALL FOR PAPERS ON JAYNE CORTEZ In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Dear Professor Hinton, I am currently at work on a book chapter on the work of Jayne Cortez. The bo= ok as a whole treats the relationship between innovative writing and music; t= he Cortez chapter is the last in the book. The chapter title is, "Eurydice T= akes the Mic," and it frames Cortez's practice in relation to the Orphic tra= dition linking poetry and music. I would very much appreciate the opportunit= y to air this argument at the ALA. Please let me know if you would be willin= g to consider a fully formed abstract. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:30:41 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: Complete Welcome to Boog City 7.5 Fest Sked, Feb. 16-17 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please forward ------------------- Hi, Just over four weeks from now, from Sun., Feb. 16 through Mon. Feb. =20 17, we'll be putting on the first Welcome to Boog City 7.5 poetry, =20 music, and theater festival. It will feature 34 poets, 5 musical acts, =20= 1 poets theater play, 1 political talk, and 1 d.a. levy lives visiting =20= press over the two days. Thanks to Jonathan Allen for the festival's logo; and for booking the =20= music, our music editor J.J. Hayes, and the poets, Ray DeJes=FAs, Ted =20= Dodson, Claire Donato, Jeff T. Johnson, Jessica Smith, Kiely Sweatt, =20 and myself. Among the festival highlights are: =97our d.a. levy lives series continues its 11th season featuring =20 Philadelphia's Fact-Simile Editions; =97Our 44th Classic Album Live show, paying tribute to the late Lou =20 Reed, is The Velvet Underground and Nico, performed live by Kung Fu =20 Crimewave and friends; =97a performance by Lunch Break Tantra, a group of improvisers out of =20= the Upright Citizens Brigade Theatre in New York; =97and a Poets' Theater piece from Magus Magnus. The full schedule for the event is below this note, followed by =20 performer bios and websites. If you need any additional information you can reach me at 212-842-=20 BOOG (2664) or editor@boogcity.com. as ever, David ---------- First Welcome to Boog City 7.5 festival 2 Days of Poetry, Music, and Theater SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 12:00 P.M. Unnameable Books 600 Vanderbilt Ave. Prospect Heights, Brooklyn 12:00 p.m. Zoe Z (music) 12:30 p.m. Jamie Townsend 12:40 p.m. Edmund Berrigan 12:50 p.m. Amelia Bentley 1:05 p.m. Jessica Fiorini 1:15 p.m. Ali Power 1:30 p.m. Anselm Berrigan 1:40 p.m. Joshua Garcia (music) 2:10 p.m. Betsy Fagin 2:20 p.m. Ethan Fugate 2:35 p.m. Susana Gardner 2:50 p.m. Eric Seader, "We Will Mend: Youth Violence and the Healing Power of Music" 3:00 p.m. Magus Magnus, drone: poetic monologue for monotone (Poets Theater) 3:15 p.m. Pattie McCarthy 3:30 p.m. Ben Roylance 3:45 p.m. Jenn McCreary 4:00 p.m. Jackie Clark 4:10 p.m. d.a. levy lives: celebrating renegade presses series =97Philadelphia's Fact-Simile Editions Julia Bloch, Elizabeth Guthrie, Stan Mir, Brian Teare, = and Kevin Varrone. Music: Ollie oxen / Allysa Oliver SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 8:00 P.M. Sidewalk Caf=E9 94 Avenue A. NYC $5 suggested =09 8:00 p.m. Katy Lederer 8:10 p.m. Ed Steck 8:25 p.m. Lunch Break Tantra (improv) 8:50 p.m. Boog City's Classic Album Live Series The Velvet Underground and Nico Performed live by Kung Fu Crimewave and friends MONDAY, FEBRUARY 17, 12:00 P.M. Unnameable Books 600 Vanderbilt Ave. Prospect Heights, Brooklyn 12:00 p.m. Sketchy Mile (music) 12:30 p.m. Peter Bogart Johnson 12:40 p.m. Adam Tobin 12:50 p.m. Magus Magnus 1:05 p.m. Gracie Leavitt 1:15 p.m. Gillian Devereux 1:30 p.m. Allyson Paty 1:40 p.m. Mimi "Rooster" Oz (music) 2:10 p.m. Simone White 2:20 p.m. Deborah Poe 2:35 p.m. Angel Nafis 2:45 p.m. Political speaker TBA 2:55 p.m. Mark Gurarie 3:05 p.m. Poet TBA 3:15 p.m. Eric Conroe 3:25 p.m. Emily Toder 3:35 p.m. Alyssa Morhardt-Goldstein 3:45 p.m. Poet TBA 3:55 p.m. Poet TBA 4:05 p.m. Poet TBA 4:15 p.m. Jasmine Dreame Wagner --------------- **Welcome to Boog City 7.5 Bios and Websites** **The Velvet Underground and Nico, performed live by Kung Fu Crimewave and friends Lou Reed's final request was that the Brooklyn-based band Kung Fu =20 Crimewave (http://www.kungfucrimewave.com) play his album Velvet =20 Underground and Nico in it's entirety. Lou said "I came up with the =20 idea because the album cover features a banana, and Kung Fu Crimewave =20= features a banana playing bass" followed by death rattle. While some =20 dispute this claim, Shia LeBouf supported the claim in sky writing. =20 Regardless of the hype surrounding this groundbreaking performance, =20 The band will be joined by Julie Delano, Susan Hwang and Leslie Graves =20= of GOLD (http://vimeo.com/43841048), Phoebe Kreutz = (http://www.phoebekreutz.com=20 ), Casey Holford (http://www.Caseyholford.com), Hallie Kelly, Rebecca =20= Satellite of A Deer A Horse (http://www.adeerahorse.bandcamp.com), and =20= Julie LaMendola of Ching Ching (http://chingchongsong.bandcamp.com). Kung Fu Crimewave and friends is: Luke Kelly: lead guitarist, trouble maker, champion of the proletariat Joanna Kelly: is nice. is in a band. Neil Kelly: Huggabroomstik, Tunetown Philharmonic Preston Spurlock: makes art, plays music, draws videos, Gilmore Boys, =20= Huggabroomstik, Old Hat, Ladies of Old Hat, Elastic No-No Band, Mango =20= Glaze, Pie Face, Tunetown Philharmonic, The Sewing Circle, The Johns. Casey Holford: Urban Barnyard, Gilmore Boys, Outlines. Loves Bananas. Matt Colbourn: Pizza Underground, married to Phoebe Kreutz Phoebe Kreutz: Writer/Director of: YOLO! Gilgamesh, Thanks, The Dirty =20= Hippie Jam Band Project. Urban Barnyard, Pizza Underground, bought =20 Matt Colbourn at a yard sale. Julie Delano: GOLD, The Leader Susan Hwang: Founder of the Bushwick Bookclub, Murderizer, GOLD, The =20 Relastics, Debutante Hour. Leslie Graves: GOLD, They Would Be Happy People Hallie Kelly: Too cool for the internet. Julie La Mendola: Ching Ching, Nature Theater of Oklahoma Rebecca Satellite: A Deer A Horse, We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming: every =20 episode of The Twilight Zone playing simultaneously. ------------------------- levy lives: celebrating renegade presses **Fact-Simile http://www.fact-simile.com Philadelphia's Fact-Simile is a small independent publisher of mostly =20= handmade books and book-objects. We strive to compose all of our =20 products from recycled and reclaimed materials and to help further =20 expand the physical definitions of literature. Fact-Simile is also an annual large-format (8.5" x 11") literary =20 journal. It is available free at the above url and in print while =20 supplies last. Our aesthetic is best described by the content featured =20= in each of our past issues. **Julia Bloch http://jacket2.org/" http://jacket2.org/ Julia Bloch grew up in Northern California and Sydney, Australia, and =20= is the author of Letters to Kelly Clarkson (Sidebrow Books), a Lambda =20= Literary Award Finalist. Recent poems and translations have appeared =20 in Fence, Manor House Quarterly, and Sixth Finch. She lives in =20 Philadelphia, works as associate director of the Kelly Writers House, =20= and is a coeditor of Jacket2. **Elizabeth Guthrie http://aplacesortof.blogspot.com/ Elizabeth Guthrie is a poet and performer living in New York =20 researching for a practice-based Ph.D. in text and performance at the =20= University of East London. She is a co-editor of Livestock Editions. =20 Her work has appeared in journals including Onedit, Requited, Bombay =20 Gin, Pinstripe Fedora, Alba Londres, Open Letter, and Fact-Simile. She =20= has a pamphlet, X Portraits, out through Crater Press, a chapbook, =20 Yellow and Red, through Black Lodge Press, the collaborative chapbook =20= with Andrew K. Peterson, Between Here and the Telescopes, through =20 Slumgullion Press and a book entitled, Portraits - Captions from =20 Contraband Books. She is poet in residence at the Centre for Creative =20= Collaboration in London. She blogs at the above url. **Stan Mir http://chapterhousereadings.blogspot.com/ Stan Mir is the author of two chapbooks, Test Patterns and Flight =20 Patterns, both published by JR Vansant. His most recent full- length =20 collection is The Lacustrine Suite (Pavement Saw, 2011). He lives in =20 Philadelphia where he co-organizes the Chapter & Verse reading series =20= with Ryan Eckes. **Ollie oxen / Allysa Oliver http://www.allysaoliver.com/ Ukulele and guitar playing singer songwriter with a haunting voice and =20= surreal lyrics will make you wanna howl at the moon as she gets tuned. **Brian Teare http://www.brianteare.net A former NEA Fellow, Brian Teare is the recipient of poetry =20 fellowships from the MacDowell Colony, the Headlands Center for the =20 Arts, and the American Antiquarian Society. He is the author of four =20 books=97The Room Where I Was Born, Sight Map, the Lambda Award-winning =20= Pleasure, and Companion Grasses. He=92s also published seven chapbooks, =20= most recently Helplessness, [ black sun crown ], and SORE EROS. An =20 assistant professor at Temple University, he lives in Philadelphia, =20 where he makes books by hand for his micropress, Albion Books. **Kevin Varrone http://boxscoreapp.com Kevin Varrone=92s most recent project is box score: an autobiography, a =20= free, interactive poetry app for iPhone and iPad (available at the app =20= store or the above url. His other publications include Eephus (Little =20= Red Leaves Textile Series), Passyunk Lost (Ugly Duckling Presse), the =20= philadelphia improvements (Ugly Duckling Presse), id est (Instance =20 Press), and g-point Almanac: 6.21-9.21 (ixnay press). He teaches at =20 Temple University and lives outside Philadelphia. ------------------------- **Amelia Bentley http://www.speakwright.org/ Amelia Bentley is composed of a patina and erosion of texts, slowly =20 pursuing the edge of the capability of language through formal =20 strategies of disruption and appropriation. If, as Chris Hedges says, =20= "We've been robbed of language by which we can express the reality of =20= what we're undergoing," then the language out of which identity is =20 composed ourselves must be broken and re-combined to access =20 possibilities of expression and recognition more accurate to reality. **Anselm Berrigan http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Berrigan-Anselm.php Anselm Berrigan's recent publications include Loading, a collaborative =20= book with painter Jonathan Allen published by Brooklyn Arts Press, and =20= Sure Shot, a pink chap from Overpass Books. Primitive State, a book-=20 length poem, will be published by Edge Books in 2014. **Edmund Berrigan Edmund Berrigan is the author of two books of poetry, Disarming Matter =20= (Owl Press) and Glad Stone Children (farfalla press/McMillan & =20 Parrish), and a memoir, Can It! (Letter Machine Editions). He is =20 editor of The Selected Poems of Steve Carey (Sub Press), and co-=20 editor, with Anselm Berrigan and Alice Notley, of The Collected Poems =20= of Ted Berrigan and The Selected Poems of Ted Berrigan (both =20 University of California Press). He is an editor for poetry magazines =20= Brawling Pigeon and Vlak, and on the editorial board of Lungfull!. He =20= records and performs music as I feel tractor. Greg Fuchs photo. **Jackie Clark http://nohelpforthat.com/ Jackie Clark is the author of Aphoria (Brooklyn Arts Press). She is =20 the series editor of Poets off Poetry and Song of the Week for =20 Coldfront Magazine and is the recipient of a 2012 New Jersey State =20 Council on the Arts Fellowship in Poetry. Her writing has recently =20 appeared or is forthcoming from Bone Bouquet, Denver Quarterly, and =20 The Rumpus. **Eric Conroe http://www.culturebot.org/ Eric Conroe is wrapping up an M.F.A. at Brooklyn College, where he =20 received the Himan Brown award for poetry. He's the asst. curator for =20= KGB Poetry, and co-founder and -curator of the COPULA Poetry Series. =20 As a dancer, he's performed with Dean Moss and others, working in =20 residence at The Kitchen, The Korean Arts Festival, and Yale. His =20 recent choreography and/or poetry's been performed at Bennington =20 College, CAGE Gallery, Danspace Project, Kunsthalle Galapagos, The =20 Marfa Theater, The 92nd Street Y, and The Poetry Project. Poems have =20 appeared recently in Bright Bright Shit, Coffee Area, and Your First =20 Time. He writes about dance and performance for Culturebot. Dan =20 Allegretto photo. **Gillian Devereux http://www.gilliandevereux.com/index.html Gillian Devereux received her M.F.A. in poetry from Old Dominion =20 University and works as a professional writing consultant at Wheelock =20= College in Boston, where she also teaches academic writing and poetry. =20= She is the author of Focus on Grammar (dancing girl press) and They =20 Used to Dance on Saturday Nights (Aforementioned Productions). Her =20 poems have appeared in numerous journals, most recently N/A, Printer=92s = =20 Devil Review, and Sundog Lit. She can be found online at the above =20 url, streaming pop music from the cloud. **Betsy Fagin http://betsyfagin.com Betsy Fagin is an activist, poet, and librarian who explores the =20 territory where art, information access, and political engagement =20 through direct action meet. She received degrees in literature and =20 creative writing from Vassar College and Brooklyn College and =20 completed her M.L.S. degree in information studies at the University =20 of Maryland, where she was an ALA Spectrum Scholar. She is the author =20= of Poverty Rush (Three Sad Tigers), the science seemed so solid (dusie =20= kollektiv), Belief Opportunity (Big Game Books Tinyside), Rosemary =20 Stretch (dusie e/chap), and For every solution there is a problem =20 (Open 24 Hours). She was a Lower Manhattan Cultural Council Writer-in-=20= Residence during 2012-2013. **Jessica Fiorini Jessica Fiorini is the author of three chapbooks Light Suite (Pudding =20= House), Sea Monster at Night (Goodbye Better Press), and Take it =20 Personal (forthcoming from Lame House Press). Her poems have appeared =20= in such publications as Lungfull!, Vlak and the Brooklyn Rail. She =20 lives in Lefferts, Brooklyn with her husband and his cat. Jennifer =20 Arlia photo. **Joshua Garcia http://joshuagarciamusic.tumblr.com/ Joshua Garcia is a folk singer-songwriter based in Bedford-Stuyvesant, =20= Brooklyn. **Susana Gardner http://www.archiveofthenow.org/authors/?i=3D29 Susana Gardner is the author of three full-length poetry collections, =20= CADDISH and Herso (both from Black Radish Books) and [Lapsed Insel =20 Weary] (The Tangent Press). **Mark Gurarie http://bubblegumandpoppers.wordpress.com/ Mark Gurarie, originally of Cleveland, has been a Brooklyn resident =20 since 2005. A graduate of The New School's M.F.A. program, his poems, =20= fiction, and criticism have appeared or are forthcoming in Coldfront, =20= Everyday Genius, Lyre Lyre, Paper Darts, Publishers Weekly, The =20 Brooklyn Review, The Faster Times, The Rumpus, and elsewhere. In =20 October of 2012, the New School published Pop :: Song, the 2011 winner =20= of its Poetry Chapbook Competition. He co-curates the Mental =20 Marginalia Poetry Reading Series, blogs about unimportant things at =20 the above url, and lends bass guitar and "ugly" vocals to Americana-=20 punk band Galapagos Now!. **Peter Bogart Johnson Peter Bogart Johnson is the author of the chapbook Humble under a book =20= of you (Butterlamb), and his work has appeared in Anti-, Atlas Review, =20= Coldfront, Realpoetik, Sink Review, and Sixth Finch, among others. He =20= curates the Earshot reading series, and lives and works in =20 Williamsburg, Brooklyn. **Gracie Leavitt http://www.upne.com/1937658168.html Gracie Leavitt is the author of the collection Monkeys, Minor Planet, =20= Average Star (Nightboat Books) and the chapbook Gap Gardening (These =20 Signals Press). Her poems have appeared in journals such as =20 Conjunctions, Lana Turner, and 6x6, and her interviews of contemporary =20= artists can be found in Flaunt Magazine. She has also contributed to =20 the multidisciplinary publication Intercourse and serves as a co-=20 curator of the Triptych Reading Series. Previous collaborations =20 include the original play PITCH, which debuted at La Mama E.T.C. =20 Willis Ryder Arnold photo. **Katy Lederer http://katylederer.com/ Katy Lederer is the author of the poetry collections Winter Sex and =20 The Heaven-Sent Leaf, as well as the memoir Poker Face: A Girlhood =20 Among Gamblers. Poems, essays, and reviews have appeared in The Boston =20= Review, The New York Times Book Review, and VOLT, among others. A =20 member of the advisory boards of The Millay Colony for the Arts and =20 The Poetry Project, Lederer has been the recipient of fellowships and =20= awards from The MacDowell Colony, The New York Foundation for the =20 Arts, and Yaddo. **Lunch Break Tantra Lunch Break Tantra is a group of improvisers out of the Upright =20 Citizens Brigade Theatre in New York, who create a fully improvised =20 show before your eyes. You might not want to be friends with all of =20 these characters in real life, but you'll definitely enjoy getting to =20= see a glimpse into their world. **Magus Magnus, drone: poetic monologue for monotone http://sharedimagining.blogspot.com/ Magus Magnus=92 work sources poetry and =93the poetic=94 as central to = the =20 extremes of interiority (thought, philosophy) and exteriority =20 (performance, deed). Born in Los Angeles in 1967, Magnus=92 privileged =20= upbringing in Southern California did him no favors, but it brought =20 him lasting distrust of materialistic veneer and, by his teen years, =20 charges of =93malicious mischief=94 from the Beverly Hills cops. He = lives =20 only for love and to drink from the Enchanted Spring. Published books include The Re-echoes (Furniture Press), Idylls for a =20= Bare Stage (twentythreebooks), Heraclitean Pride (Furniture Press), =20 and Verb Sap (Narrow House). Works in progress are a book on the =20 ancient Roman emperor Heliogabalus and a conceptual writing/theater =20 piece utilizing various government docs on unmanned combat aerial =20 vehicles, titled drone: poetic monologue for monotone. **Pattie McCarthy http://www.apogeepress.com/books_marybones.html Pattie McCarthy is the author of six books, the forthcoming nulls =20 (Horse Less Press) and Quiet Book (Apogee Press), as well as =20 Marybones, Table Alphabetical of Hard Words, Verso, & bk of (h)rs (all =20= from Apogee). Recent/forthcoming chapbooks include scenes from the =20 lives of my parents (Bloof Books), x y z && (Ahsahta Press), and =20 fifteen genre scenes (eth press). She was a 2011 Pew Fellow in the =20 Arts and a resident at The Elizabeth Bishop House in Great Village, =20 Nova Scotia in summer 2013. McCarthy teaches at Temple University. =20 Asher Varrone photo. **Jenn McCreary http://jennmccreary.wordpress.com Jenn McCreary=92s new full-length collection, & now my feet are maps, is = =20 now available from Dusie Press. Other works include The Dark Mouth of =20= Living (Horse Less Press), :ab ovo: (Dusie Press), a doctrine of =20 signatures (Singing Horse Press), and Odyssey & Oracle (Least Weasel =20 Press). She lives in Philadelphia with her family, where she co-edits =20= ixnay press with Chris McCreary and was recently named a 2013 Pew =20 Fellow in the Arts for poetry. Colin M. Lenton photo. **Alyssa Morhardt-Goldstein http://soundlitmag.com/ Poet and classically trained soprano, Alyssa Morhardt-Goldstein is the =20= founding editor of Sound, a literary magazine on contemporary musico-=20 poetics, and a staff writer for Luna Luna Magazine where she writes on =20= contemporary dance, literature, and society. Her chapbook Quiet was =20 selected by Matthea Harvey as The New School=92s 2012 Chapbook Contest =20= winner for poetry. This October her libretto will be featured in the =20 premier of composer Jonathan Dawe=92s fractal operatic retelling of =20 Tamburlaine. **Angel Nafis http://angelnafis.tumblr.com/ Angel Nafis is an Ann Arbor, Mich. native and Cave Canem Fellow. Her =20 work has appeared in Decibels, FOUND Magazine=92s Requiem for a Paper =20= Bag, Mosaic Magazine, MUZZLE Magazine, The Bear River Review, The =20 Rattling Wall, and Union Station Magazine. In 2011 she represented the =20= LouderArts poetry project at the Women of the World Poetry Slam and =20 the National Poetry Slam. She is an Urban Word NYC Mentor and the =20 founder, curator, and host of the quarterly Greenlight Bookstore =20 Poetry Salon reading series. She is the author of BlackGirl Mansion =20 (Red Beard Press/New School Poetics) She lives in Bedford-Stuyvesant, =20= Brooklyn. Shira Erlichman photo. **Mimi "Rooster" Oz http://www.mimioz.com Mimi Oz performing under the name "Rooster," is a Canadian singer-=20 songwriter based out of Bushwick, Brooklyn. Oz spent many years hidden writing poetry, as well as abstract =20 painting. In 2009 she took a trip to Mexico City and returned turning =20= her experiences into song ideas. Working alongside Canadian producer/=20 songwriter/funnyman Bob Wiseman, she structured and altered her ideas =20= and came up with the material for her first record, Three Of Swords. Currently Oz is working on her second record, Men Who Never Loved Me, =20= funded with the help of the Ontario Arts Council and set to work with =20= Canadian Producer Don Kerr. **Allyson Paty Allyson Paty's poems can be found in Best New Poets 2012, Denver =20 Quarterly, Gulf Coast, the PEN Poetry Series, Tin House, and =20 elsewhere. Her chapbook, The Further Away, was published by [sic] =20 Press. A native New Yorker, she lives in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, where =20= she is editor of Singing Saw Press. **Deborah Poe http://www.deborahpoe.com/ Deborah Poe is the author of the poetry collections the last will be =20 stone, too and Elements (both Stockport Flats), and Our Parenthetical =20= Ontology (CustomWords), as well as a novella in verse, H=E9l=E8ne =20 (Furniture Press). She has published several chapbooks, most recently =20= Keep (above/ground press), and also co-edited Between Worlds: An =20 Anthology of Contemporary Fiction and Criticism (Peter Lang). Poe is =20 an assistant professor of English at Pace University, Pleasantville, =20 where she teaches writing and literature and directs the Handmade/=20 Homemade Exhibit and Vox Creative Arts Series. Karl Bode photo. **Ali Power Ali Power is an editor at Rizzoli International Publications and =20 teaches literature at Pace University. Her poems have appeared in =20 Argos books=92 Little Anthology; Forklift, Ohio; Painted Bride =20 Quarterly; Post Road; and Washington Square, among others. Her =20 chapbook You Americans was published by Green Zone Editions. **Ben Roylance http://jellyfishmagazine.org/9.0/benroylance.html Ben Roylance spends time in two separate valleys on the east coast of =20= the United States of America. June/July, 1947. June/July, 2012. His =20 poems have appeared or are forthcoming in places like Jellyfish, Noo =20 Journal, notnostrums, and similar peaks. His best work is always in =20 the future, worry. **Eric Seader, "We Will Mend: Youth Violence and the Healing Power of =20= Music" http://theburntroses.wordpress.com/ Eric Seader is a paralegal, singer-songwriter, and a progressive socio-=20= political advocate living in New York City. He received his B.A. in =20 Visual Media from American University in Washington, D.C. and obtained =20= his paralegal certification from Hofstra University on Long Island. He =20= credits his parents with instilling within him progressive values from =20= an early age, and fueling his drive toward activism and advocacy. A singer-songwriter for over 18 years, he strives to touch as many =20 genres with his music as possible, and has recently returned to his =20 roots, writing songs with a message, as he did when he first began. =20 Following the tragic events in Newtown, Conn. in December 2012, he =20 wrote a song to help him cope with the tragedy in hopes that it would =20= help others heal as well. His friend, and now writing partner, Rorie =20 Kelly, took his lyrics and rewrote the music, lending her vocal and =20 instrumental talents to the piece. The two formed the duo The Burnt =20 Roses in late 2013 as they recorded their first single, =93We Will =20 Mend.=94 The single was released to coincide with the first anniversary =20= of the Sandy Hook tragedy, with 100% of the proceeds going to charity. =20= They plan to write more songs in the future to spark debate, start =20 necessary dialogues, and, most importantly, to bring healing to those =20= who need it most. **Sketchy Mile Mike Shoykhet was born in the Moldavian Republic of the former Soviet =20= Union. He has been playing music in and around New York City since the =20= late 1990s. He resides in New Jersey. **Ed Steck Ed Steck is a writer from Pittsburgh. Ugly Duckling Presse published =20 his book,The Garden: Synthetic Environment for Analysis and =20 Simulation, last year. **Adam Tobin Adam Tobin owns and operates Unnameable Books. He occasionally writes =20= poems, which are published in places like EOAGH, Fence, 6x6, and The =20 Weekly Weakling, among others. A chapbook, Any Group Can Claim =20 Responsibility, is available from Mondo Bummer Press. **Emily Toder Emily Toder is the author of Science (Coconut Books) and the chapbooks =20= Brushes With (Tarpaulin Sky), I Hear a Boat (Duets), and No Land =20 (Brave Men Press, forthcoming 2014). Her second collection, Backfire, =20= is due out from Coconut Books later this year. A graduate of the =20 M.F.A. Program at UMass Amherst, she also holds degrees in literary =20 translation and library science. She lives in Bedford-Stuyvesant, =20 Brooklyn. **Jamie Townsend http://elderlymag.tumblr.com/ Jamie Townsend is the managing editor of Aufgabe, and Elderly, an =20 emergent hub of ebullience and disgust. He is author of STRAP/HALO =20 (Portable Press @ Yo-Yo Labs), Matryoshka (LRL Textile Editions), and =20= THE DOME (Ixnay Press), as well as the forthcoming longplayer SHADE =20 (Elis Press). **Jasmine Dreame Wagner http://www.songsaboutghosts.com/ Jasmine Dreame Wagner is the author of Rings (Kelsey Street Press) =20 Rewilding (Ahsahta Press), and Listening for Earthquakes (Caketrain =20 Journal and Press). Her writing has appeared in American Letters & =20 Commentary, Blackbird, Colorado Review, Indiana Review, NANO Fiction, =20= New American Writing, Seattle Review, Verse, and in two anthologies: =20 The Arcadia Project: North American Postmodern Pastoral (Ahsahta =20 Press) and Lost and Found: Stories from New York (Mr. Beller's =20 Neighborhood Books). She teaches creative writing at Western =20 Connecticut State University. **Simone White = http://www.poetrysociety.org/psa/poetry/crossroads/new_american_poets/simo= ne_white/ Simone White is the author of Unrest (Ugly Duckling Presse, Dossier =20 Series), House Envy of All of the World (Factory School), and Dolly (Q =20= Ave Press, with the paintings of Kim Thomas). Work has also appeared =20 or is forthcoming in Big Bell, The Baffler, The Brooklyn Rail, and =20 Washington Square. She lives in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn. Ted =20 Roeder photo. **Zoe Z http://m.reverbnation.com/artist/zoezelkind Zoe Z is a singer-songwriter from Santa Monica, Calif. She just moved =20= to New York City's Stuyvesant Town, where she has been playing and =20 writing. She likes rhinos and recently built a psychedelic scorpion =20 made of melted crayons. -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W. 28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) Twitter: @boogcity For music from Gilmore boys: http://www.myspace.com/gilmoreboysmusic= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:48:19 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Donald Wellman Subject: Celan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I honor the translation that resists normalization-that way lies dead and charred surfaces. These paragraphs began with an off-handed promise to read a friend's translations of selected poems by Paul Celan and that promise has led me to a careful reading of Derrida's Sovereignties, especially "Shibboleth." Comments on Pierre Joris' The Meridian: Paul Celan and Susan H. Gillespie's Corona: Selected Poems of Paul Celan are embedded in this post. http://immanentoccasions.blogspot.com/2014/01/reading-celan.html. Donald Wellman Poet, translator, and editor http://faculty.dwc.edu/wellman/ http://immanentoccasions.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:44:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Wanda Phipps Subject: In this Arts Festival this Weekend MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm participating in the Yara Arts Group Arts Festival this weekend. I'm reading tomorrow night (Saturday, January 18th, 8pm). It should be a fun event. Drop by if you are around. Here are the details: http://www.brama.com/yara/shadow-uia-flyer.html -- Wanda Phipps Check out my websites: http://mindhoney.com and http://www.myspace.com/wandaphippsband My latest book of poetry Field of Wanting: Poems of Desire available at: http://www.amazon.com/Field-Wanting-Wanda-Phipps/dp/1934289604/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207705068&sr=1-2 And my 1st full-length book of poems Wake-Up Calls: 66 Morning Poems available (print and Kindle editions) at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/193236031X/ref=rm_item ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 23:19:20 -0800 Reply-To: Stephen Vincent Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Poetry Readings, SF Bay Area, 1958 - 1970 Comments: To: UK POETRY , "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://foundsf.org/index.php?title=3DPoetry_Readings/Reading_Poetry_in_the_= San_Francisco_Bay_Area=0A=0A"Shaping San Francisco", a website dedicated to= recovering obscured, lost or erased stories, has kindly resurrected my his= tory, involvement, etc. in a essay/history of Bay Area readings from 1958 t= o the late 1970's and the initial emergence of Language Poetry. (It was the= lead essay of a large Momo's Press volume, The Poetry Reading: A Contempor= ary Compendium on Language & Performance, edited by myself and Ellen Zweig = (1981, 350 pages). Contrary to the sometimes impression that there was a si= mple, some would say acrimonious segue from work by the Beats to LP, the la= te 60's and early 70's oversaw the rise of rich, and very publicly present = array of poets and poetries emerging from multiple threads: Feminist, Gay, = Black, Latino, Asian, politicaL =A0et al. In fact, I would suggest, the rel= ationship or not between the hegemony of primarily white based Beat work, t= he emerging work by LP folks and these writers 'in between' will be much mo= re vital to explore than ignore. It was certainly a vitally wild period in this neck of the wo= ods. Rereading the essay, what I like about it best, is that it brings back= a concrete sense of what it was like to live and write into and through wh= at were historically, to put it mildly, challenging times. So much was unle= ashed.=A0=0A=0AStephen Vincent=0Awww.stephenavincent.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 22:29:22 -0800 Reply-To: Jennifer Karmin Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Donate to Woodland Pattern / Jan 25th Milwaukee Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi friends....please think about making a donation to woodland pattern book= center in milwaukee, hands down one of the most AMAZING independent book s= tores in the country.=C2=A0 i'll be reading as part of the poetry marathon = on january 25th and am looking for sponsors, as are many other wonderful wr= iters.=C2=A0 all proceeds raised from this event help woodland pattern cont= inue its literary programming.=C2=A0 more details below. =0A=C2=A0=0Ahappy = new year,=0Ajen karmin=0A=0AEvery year, on the last Saturday of January, ov= er 125 poets, writers, and performers show their support for Woodland Patte= rn by participating in its Annual Poetry Marathon & Benefit.=C2=A0 Woodland= Pattern is a nonprofit organization, all donations are fully tax deductibl= e.=C2=A0 Individuals can now sponsor readers online through the new =E2=80= =9Cpledge a reader=E2=80=9D giving form.=0A=C2=A0=0APledges can be made her= e, both small and large.=0Ahttp://www.woodlandpattern.org/marathon_2014.sht= ml=0A=C2=A0=0AWoodland Pattern Book Center was founded in Milwaukee, Wiscon= sin's Riverwest neighborhood by Anne Kingsbury and Karl Gartung in 1979. Th= e center houses a bookstore with over 25,000 small press titles, in additio= n to an art gallery where they present exhibitions, artist talks, readings,= experimental films, concerts, and writing workshops.=0A=0Ahttp://www.woodl= andpattern.org/=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:15:54 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Poetica Critique of dg nanouk okpik's "Corpse Whale." In-Reply-To: <52DED3DF.3050307@pdx.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This Poetica critique, No, 18 in the series, is on the Inupiat-Inuit poet dg nanouk okpik's, "Corpse Whale": http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Poetica/blog-18.htm Contents page: http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Poetica/intro.htm -Joel -- Joel Weishaus Artist-in-Residence Pacifica Graduate Institute 249 Lambert Road Carpinteria, CA 93013 Homepage: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 09:19:07 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: Tuesday poem #42 : Susan Briante Tuesday poem #42 : Susan Briante : THE PHYSICISTS SAY THE UNIVERSE MIGHT BE http://www.dusie.blogspot.ca/2014/01/tuesday-poem-42-susan-briante.html etc; -- writer/editor/publisher ; ottawater, above/ground press + Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ; coord., SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair poetry - Songs for little sleep, (obvious epiphanies press) ; 2nd novel - missing persons ; abovegroundpress.blogspot.com ; robmclennan.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 13:40:51 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: ottawater #10 is now online! ottawater is now a decade old! Ottawa's poetry pdf annual journal, edited by rob mclennan and designed by Tanya Sprowl www.ottawater.com Come out to the launch Friday, January 24, upstairs at The Carleton Tavern 223 Armstrong at Parkdale doors 7pm readings 7:30pm info: robmclennan.blogspot.com The tenth issue features new writing by Sylvia Adams, Cameron Anstee, John Barton, Stephanie Bolster, Frances Boyle, Heather Brunet, Sara Cassidy, George Elliott Clarke, Stewart Cole, Anita Dolman, JM Francheteau, Richard Froude, Elisabeth Harvor, Jenna Jarvis, Nicholas Lea, Michael Lithgow, N.L. Lea, Anne Le Dressay, Sneha Madhavan-Reese, Karen Massey, Justin Million, Colin Morton, Andrew Oliveira, Roland Prevost, Adrienne Ho Rose, Armand Garnet Ruffo, Tim Mook Sang, jesslyn delia smith, D.S. Stymeist, Priscila Uppal, Will Vallires, Gabriel Wainio-Thberge, Matthew Walsh and Deanna Young. Artworkl by: Anthony Tremmaglia, Ariane Beauchamp, Arpi, Fall Down Gallery, Marisa Gallemit, Mat Dub, Patti Normand, Sarah Hatton and Scott Fairchild. Founded to celebrate the 150th anniversary of the City of Ottawa, Canada's glorious capital city, "ottawater," and its chemical formula/logo "O2(H2O)," is a poetry annual produced exclusively on-line, in both readable and printable pdf formats, and found at (http://www.ottawater.com). An anthology focusing on Ottawa poets and poetics, its first issue appeared in January 2005, 150 years after old Bytown became the City of Ottawa. Long seen only as a town still echoing its origins as a backwater Victorian lumber town, and made up of bureaucrats and technocrats, and a more conservative poetics, "ottawater," edited by Ottawa-born writer, editor and publisher rob mclennan, exists to remind readers of what work is happening, and has been happening for years, despite government types insisting on repeating that the arts in Ottawa is about to begin. We say instead: we have always been here. -- writer/editor/publisher ; ottawater, above/ground press + Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ; coord., SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair poetry - Songs for little sleep, (obvious epiphanies press) ; 2nd novel - missing persons ; abovegroundpress.blogspot.com ; robmclennan.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:16:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sharon Dolin Subject: New Writing Workshop in Barcelona May 23rd-June 1st Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Poets, I'm launching a new writing workshop in Barcelona for late May. I hope = you'll pass along word to interested writers. The link is on my website: http://www.sharondolin.com/news-events/ Sharon Sharon Dolin Drisha Arts Fellow sdolin@earthlink.net www.sharondolin.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 20:45:02 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ariella Ruth Goldberg Subject: Call for Submissions: WALL OF WATER MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ROOTS + LIMBS IS NOW ACCEPTING SUBMISSIONS FOR WALL OF WATER an anthology of works on water DEADLINE: MARCH 16TH, 2014 + http://www.rootsandlimbs.com/wallofwater WALL OF WATER is to be a multi-volume anthology exploring water and floodin= g through book, performance, and digital forms. We are looking for all genr= es of writing, sound, performance, visual art, and multimedia to create a m= ulti-dimensional view of the influences of water. A series of three books w= ill be created with interwoven live performance and online media. We look f= orward to seeing your work; please use the following formatting to email yo= ur submission: + Submit electronically via PDF. [note: any supporting material necessary may be included using links (= youtube, vimeo, soundcloud...)] + Use the following format for email subject line and PDF name: lastname_title_wallofwater + Include the following information in the body of your email: full name + title + phone number + email address + short biography + Our email : dig@rootsandlimbs.com Please email us with any questions, ideas, or concerns. Ariella Ruth, MFA Program Assistant Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics Naropa University agoldberg@naropa.edu 303-546-3581 Please note the days and times I am in the office on non-event weeks: M & T 9:00-5:30 / W 9:00-1:00 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 12:52:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Camille Martin Subject: Robert Zend: Poet without Borders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 As some of you are aware, during the past few months I've been writing an illustrated exploration of the life and work of Robert Zend (1929-1985), avant-garde Hungarian-Canadian poet and artist. It features photographs, poetry, concrete poetry, collages, typewriter art, and fiction, some of it never before made public. Special attention is given to Zend's cosmopolitan literary spirit, including his international influences and affinities. I'll be posting installments twice a week on my blog, Rogue Embryo. This has been a joyful and fascinating project, made possible by the kind assistance of many people, including members of the Zend family (Janine Zend, Natalie Zend, and Ibi Gabori) and the curators of the Zend fonds at the University of Toronto Library, Media Commons (Rachel Beattie and Brock Silversides), among others. Here is the address for the first installment, "Preface with Portraits": http://rogueembryo.com/2013/12/04/robert-zend-1929-1985-poet-without-borders-preface-with-portraits/ If you'd like to receive notices of further installments, please feel free to subscribe to Rogue Embryo. Kindly spread the word to any who may be interested in this topic. Your feedback and comments are most welcome. Warm wishes, Camlle Martin -- *Books:* http://www.spdbooks.org/Search/Default.aspx?AuthorName=camille+martin http://www.apollinaires.com/store/product.php?productid=264620&cat=&page=1 http://www.amazon.ca/Looms-Camille-Martin/dp/1848612354/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1355876018&sr=8-1 http://www.amazon.com/Looms-Camille-Martin/dp/1848612354 http://www.shearsman.com/pages/books/authors/martinA.html *Website:* http://www.camillemartin.ca *Blog:* http://rogueembryo.wordpress.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:32:07 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Kyle Pivarnik Subject: Hiring Assistant or Associate Professor of Creative Writing and Poetics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Naropa University=92s Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics invites=20= applications for a full-time core candidate advanced Assistant Professor = or=20 Associate Professor with excellent abilities in creative writing, literar= y=20 scholarship, and program administration: appointment to begin fall 2014.=20= Duties include teaching (on campus and online) undergraduate and=20 graduate creative writing workshops, literary studies, and professional=20= development courses; advising BA and MFA thesis students; service to the=20= School and University; as well as program coordination of the MFA in=20 Creative Writing and Poetics. We seek a candidate who can teach across=20= genres, with an emphasis in innovative prose writing (fiction and creativ= e=20 nonfiction) and an interest in queer literature and theory. Teaching load= :=20 3/3 plus MFA thesis advising; course release for program coordination.=20= =20=20 Job Duties:=20=20 =95Serve the School and University as described in the Faculty Handbook,=20= including willingness to serve as School director in the future. =95Teach creative writing workshops, literary studies, professional=20 development courses, and Core courses. =95Serve as Program Coordinator of the MFA in Creative Writing and Poetic= s. =95Develop and assess curriculum. =95Engage in personal and professional development in contemplative=20 practice and education, as well as diversity/inclusivity. Minimum Qualifications:=20=20 =95MFA or PhD in Creative Writing or Literature. =95Four years of college-level teaching in creative writing and literary = studies. =95Two published books of innovative prose (assistant professor); three=20= published books of innovative prose (associate professor). =95Two years of academic program coordination experience, including budge= t=20 responsibilities. =95Expertise in teaching innovative fiction, creative nonfiction, literat= ure, and=20 online. =95Computer skills, including Microsoft Office. =95Strong interpersonal and communication skills. Preferred Qualifications:=20=20 =95Familiarity with and commitment to Naropa University=92s mission of=20= contemplative education, diversity, and sustainability. =95Familiarity with the lineage of the Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied= =20 Poetics, including its Summer Writing Program and the history of poetics,= =20 activism, small press publishing, letterpress print shop, performance, an= d=20 hybrid/cross-disciplinary collaborations. =95Experience with higher education curricular planning and assessment. =95Background in teaching queer theory and literature. =95Experience or interest in publishing, journal editing, and overseeing=20= events, such as a reading series. =95Supervisory experience of staff or student employees. Applications: Qualified applicants should apply online by January 31, 201= 4=20 and include: =95A letter of interest, including primary professional qualifications an= d=20 pedagogical statement. =95Curriculum vitae, highlighting teaching experience, administrative=20 experience, publications, and community engagement. =95One published book of innovative prose. Upload PDF or mail to: Naropa University JKS Faculty Search 2130 Arapahoe Ave Boulder, CO=20 80302 =95Three recent course syllabi of your own design. =95Three letters of recommendation from writers or colleagues in equal or= =20 higher academic positions, highlighting teaching, publications, and=20 collegiality. Naropa University is actively engaged in creating an inclusive, diverse=20= community and is proud to be an Equal Opportunity Employer. In keeping=20= with our diversity initiatives, we encourage applications from persons of= =20 historically under-represented groups and those who support diversity. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:32:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Poetics List (1993-2014) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo and co-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding of the Electronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically new format. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not longer viable for me to continue to sponsor the list. I want to thanks the list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999: Joel Kuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving moderator Amy King. I am grateful to them for the work they have done. While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do follow the posts. And over the years the list has been great company and the origin of friendships for many of us and some great conversations. More information on the list at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html The archives should remain in place. Charles Bernstein ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 22:45:41 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Missing work, from January, for lounge.espdisk.com - MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Missing work, from January, for lounge.espdisk.com - http://lounge.espdisk.com/archives/1248 (best) These are pieces I quite value, that were put up at http://www.alansondheim.org because the routing connection between espdisk.com and my service providers was down for a long time. The whole can now be accessed now through here: http://www.alansondheim.org/ascent.mp3 http://www.alansondheim.org/birdsandmoods.mp3 http://www.alansondheim.org/birdsandsaz.mp3 http://www.alansondheim.org/gale.mp3 http://www.alansondheim.org/marching.mp3 http://www.alansondheim.org/ooma1.mp3 http://www.alansondheim.org/ooma2.mp3 http://www.alansondheim.org/prelude.mp3 http://www.alansondheim.org/vietnam.mp3 http://www.alansondheim.org/overture.mp3 http://www.alansondheim.org/boost.mp3 many of these items are described in the recent text-files http://www.alansondheim.org/sh.txt http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt Apologies for the missed/placement; it was unavoidable. - Alan ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 01:44:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: - MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed can't wait until Google contact lenses and Google mind and Google what-the-f*ck can take over my body and then Google mind can get rid of the rest of the debris and I won't have to know or remember anything anymore and Google can just kick what's left around the street until the lenses are the last things there and you walk along and find them on the sidwalk and take them and do new things with them I won't have to know a damn thing about what you do with them ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 08:56:43 -0800 Reply-To: Stephen Vincent Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: San Francisco essay linke Comments: To: UK POETRY , "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks: Re the link to the San Francisco Bay Area Poetry Reading history= =0A(1958 - 1977) that I put up last night. There seems to be either a real= =0Along wait or overload trouble on the website, Shaping San Francisco.=0AW= ill appreciate your patience and I will re-announce when the links are hot= =0Aagain.=A0=0AStephen Vincent=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:19:35 -0800 Reply-To: Stephen Vincent Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: San Francisco essay linke Comments: To: UK POETRY , "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" In-Reply-To: <1390237003.46421.YahooMailNeo@web184906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The link to the SF Poetry Reading (1958 - 77) is back up & hot again!= =0A=0AThe link to the SF Poetry Reading (1958 - 77) is back up & hot again!= Thanks for your patience.=A0=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:45:35 -0800 Reply-To: Adam Fieled Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Fieled Subject: Chop with a Machete... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This piece investigates and critiques how=A0the humanities have been handle= d in our current century, the 20th, and the 19th:=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.scribd= .com/doc/201234872/Chop-With-a-Machete-Nineteenth-Century-Provincialism=0A= =A0=0AThanks!=0AAdam Fieled=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 afieled@yahoo.com=A0=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 03:18:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Poetry Readings, SF Bay Area, 1958 - 1970 Comments: To: Stephen Vincent In-Reply-To: <1390202360.6280.YahooMailNeo@web184901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Great work, Stephen. Murat On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Stephen Vincent wrote: > > http://foundsf.org/index.php?title=Poetry_Readings/Reading_Poetry_in_the_San_Francisco_Bay_Area > > "Shaping San Francisco", a website dedicated to recovering obscured, lost > or erased stories, has kindly resurrected my history, involvement, etc. in > a essay/history of Bay Area readings from 1958 to the late 1970's and the > initial emergence of Language Poetry. (It was the lead essay of a large > Momo's Press volume, The Poetry Reading: A Contemporary Compendium on > Language & Performance, edited by myself and Ellen Zweig (1981, 350 pages). > Contrary to the sometimes impression that there was a simple, some would > say acrimonious segue from work by the Beats to LP, the late 60's and early > 70's oversaw the rise of rich, and very publicly present array of poets and > poetries emerging from multiple threads: Feminist, Gay, Black, Latino, > Asian, politicaL et al. In fact, I would suggest, the relationship or not > between the hegemony of primarily white based Beat work, the emerging work > by LP folks and these writers 'in between' will be much more vital to > explore > than ignore. It was certainly a vitally wild period in this neck of the > woods. Rereading the essay, what I like about it best, is that it brings > back a concrete sense of what it was like to live and write into and > through what were historically, to put it mildly, challenging times. So > much was unleashed. > > Stephen Vincent > www.stephenavincent.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:38:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: <1390491171.52e136234c886@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for list, Charles. It has been an invaluable source of information and community. Sometimes it's time to call it a day. If this announcement means the list will be no more, I'll miss it. Mair=E9ad Professor of Poetry + Poetics Department of Literary Arts + Studies Division of Liberal Arts Rhode Island School of Design 2 College Street Providence, RI 02903 On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Charles Bernstein < Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: > I started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo and > co-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding of > the > Electronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically new > format. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not > longer > viable for me to continue to sponsor the list. > > I want to thanks the list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999: Jo= el > Kuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving moderator > Amy > King. I am grateful to them for the work they have done. > > While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do follow the > posts. > And over the years the list has been great company and the origin of > friendships > for many of us and some great conversations. > > More information on the list at > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html > > The archives should remain in place. > > Charles Bernstein > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:22:55 +0530 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: vivekanand jha Subject: Posting to the List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Editor, oblige us by listing following message: "Dear Author/Scholar, Submissions are invited for inaugural issues of two literary journals:* VerbalArt* & *Phenemenal Literature*. please visit following links for complete submission guidelines: 1. http://verbalart.in/submit-1.html 2. http://phenomenalliterature.com/submit.html Looking forward to your quality submissions best wishes Chief Editor *Dr Vivekanand Jha* *www.vivekanandjha.com * *http://poetvjha.com * Associate Editor *Dr Rajnish Mishra* *http://rajnishmishravns.wordpress.com / * VerbalArt www.verbalart.in www.phenomenalliterature.com www.authorspressbooks.com http://authorspressbooks.wordpress.com/" ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 08:48:34 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Link trouble per my essays Comments: To: UK POETRY , "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Folks: Re the links to the San Francisco Bay Area Poetry Reading history (1958 - 1977) that I put up last night, There seems to be either a real long wait or overload(!) trouble on the website, Shaping San Francisco. Will appreciate your patience and I will re-announce when the links are hot again. Stephen Vincent ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:55:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, chiming in as well. Thanks, Charles. The poetics list opened a world up to me, a world that has continued to grow and deepen, even as the list itself took a background role after a number of years. xo On 1/23/14 10:38 AM, Mairead Byrne wrote: > Thanks for list, Charles. > It has been an invaluable source of information and community. > Sometimes it's time to call it a day. > If this announcement means the list will be no more, I'll miss it. > Mairéad > > Professor of Poetry + Poetics > Department of Literary Arts + Studies > Division of Liberal Arts > Rhode Island School of Design > 2 College Street > Providence, RI 02903 > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Charles Bernstein < > Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: > >> I started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo and >> co-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding of >> the >> Electronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically new >> format. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not >> longer >> viable for me to continue to sponsor the list. >> >> I want to thanks the list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999: Joel >> Kuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving moderator >> Amy >> King. I am grateful to them for the work they have done. >> >> While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do follow the >> posts. >> And over the years the list has been great company and the origin of >> friendships >> for many of us and some great conversations. >> >> More information on the list at >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html >> >> The archives should remain in place. >> >> Charles Bernstein >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:55:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The community of the List was the heart of its value for me. To follow Mairead's question, is the List shutting down? Murat On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Mairead Byrne wrote: > Thanks for list, Charles. > It has been an invaluable source of information and community. > Sometimes it's time to call it a day. > If this announcement means the list will be no more, I'll miss it. > Mair=E9ad > > Professor of Poetry + Poetics > Department of Literary Arts + Studies > Division of Liberal Arts > Rhode Island School of Design > 2 College Street > Providence, RI 02903 > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Charles Bernstein < > Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: > >> I started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo a= nd >> co-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding o= f >> the >> Electronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically ne= w >> format. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not >> longer >> viable for me to continue to sponsor the list. >> >> I want to thanks the list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999: > Joel >> Kuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving moderato= r >> Amy >> King. I am grateful to them for the work they have done. >> >> While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do follow t= he >> posts. >> And over the years the list has been great company and the origin of >> friendships >> for many of us and some great conversations. >> >> More information on the list at >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html >> >> The archives should remain in place. >> >> Charles Bernstein >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:13:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Bernstein Subject: the last posts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes: list is ending its long run! ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:12:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Robert Zamsky Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: <52E1496E.10409@umn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I began reading the Poetics List while working at book stores and bars in Chicago, as-yet completely uncommitted to any particular direction for my life. I picked up A Poetics with my staff discount at the Seminary Coop Bookstore, and then stumbled onto the list somehow. I started to get serious about poetry, and then, two years later, began the PhD program at UB. Like most of us, I haven't really been active on the list in years, but it played a very real role in my life. Thanks, Charles. - rz Robert L. Zamsky, PhD Dean of Studies Associate Professor of English New College of Florida On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Maria Damon wrote: > Yes, chiming in as well. Thanks, Charles. The poetics list opened a world > up to me, a world that has continued to grow and deepen, even as the list > itself took a background role after a number of years. > xo > > On 1/23/14 10:38 AM, Mairead Byrne wrote: > >> Thanks for list, Charles. >> It has been an invaluable source of information and community. >> Sometimes it's time to call it a day. >> If this announcement means the list will be no more, I'll miss it. >> Mair=E9ad >> >> Professor of Poetry + Poetics >> Department of Literary Arts + Studies >> Division of Liberal Arts >> Rhode Island School of Design >> 2 College Street >> Providence, RI 02903 >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Charles Bernstein < >> Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: >> >> I started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo a= nd >>> co-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding o= f >>> the >>> Electronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically ne= w >>> format. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not >>> longer >>> viable for me to continue to sponsor the list. >>> >>> I want to thanks the list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999: >>> Joel >>> Kuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving moderato= r >>> Amy >>> King. I am grateful to them for the work they have done. >>> >>> While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do follow t= he >>> posts. >>> And over the years the list has been great company and the origin of >>> friendships >>> for many of us and some great conversations. >>> >>> More information on the list at >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html >>> >>> The archives should remain in place. >>> >>> Charles Bernstein >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:16:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: the last posts In-Reply-To: <1390497223.52e14dc7e90c8@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Farewell, fair lady! On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Charles Bernstein < Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: > Yes: list is ending its long run! > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:21:46 -0500 Reply-To: Mark Weiss Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Charles: It was a kindness to us all. -----Original Message----- > From: Maria Damon > Sent: Jan 23, 2014 11:55 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > Yes, chiming in as well. Thanks, Charles. The poetics list opened a=20 > world up to me, a world that has continued to grow and deepen, even as=20 > the list itself took a background role after a number of years. > xo > > On 1/23/14 10:38 AM, Mairead Byrne wrote: >> Thanks for list, Charles. >> It has been an invaluable source of information and community. >> Sometimes it's time to call it a day. >> If this announcement means the list will be no more, I'll miss it. >> Mair=C3=A9ad >> >> Professor of Poetry + Poetics >> Department of Literary Arts + Studies >> Division of Liberal Arts >> Rhode Island School of Design >> 2 College Street >> Providence, RI 02903 >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Charles Bernstein < >> Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: >> >>> I started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo a= nd >>> co-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding o= f >>> the >>> Electronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically ne= w >>> format. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not >>> longer >>> viable for me to continue to sponsor the list. >>> >>> I want to thanks the list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999: = Joel >>> Kuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving moderato= r >>> Amy >>> King. I am grateful to them for the work they have done. >>> >>> While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do follow t= he >>> posts. >>> And over the years the list has been great company and the origin of >>> friendships >>> for many of us and some great conversations. >>> >>> More information on the list at >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html >>> >>> The archives should remain in place. >>> >>> Charles Bernstein >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >>> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideli= nes & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideline= s & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:28:24 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Ellis Subject: Re: the last posts In-Reply-To: <1390497223.52e14dc7e90c8@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you=2C Charles=2C for providing a forum that=2C for many years=2C pro= vided a means for serious discussions and disputes a la poetics=2C especial= ly in the earlier years=2C when various persons were drummed off the list= =2C along with ensuing commentary. One wishes such a thing could be rekind= led in and from another place=2C as now's the time for exactly that=2C now= =2C more than ever. Ciao. . > Date: Thu=2C 23 Jan 2014 12:13:43 -0500 > From: Charles.Bernstein@English.Upenn.Edu > Subject: the last posts > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > =20 > Yes: list is ending its long run! > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:33:05 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Philip Meersman Subject: Re: the last posts In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Charles, thank you for getting us all in touch via this great list! I would want to take the opportunity here to say that via this list I got to know the American poetry magazines, publishers, small presses etc. As a result of that, I'm happy to announce that in the fall of this year, Three Rooms Press in New York will publish an English and experimental poetry book of mine, entitled "This is Belgian Chocolate". I will be coming to New York for the presentation of the book and for a series of lectures on (defining and how to analyze) visual poetry and readings/performances. If any of you know venues or is interested in having me, please get in touch for a bio, information.... You can find a sample of my performance work here: http://youtu.be/AMwYDO-x2d0 Thank you again Charles for making the networking and information sharing, calls and publication information possible. We (or at least I) will truly miss this. With lots of greetings from Brussels, Belgium on the other side of the Atlantic. All the best, Philip On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote= : > Farewell, fair lady! > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Charles Bernstein < > Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: > >> Yes: list is ending its long run! >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Philip Meersman President of BAAZ (Belgische Afdeling van de (Internationale) Zaum Academie= ) Co-ordinator European Poetry Slam 2012-2013 Co-ordinator European Poetry & Slam Network Fr=E9d=E9ric Mohrfeldstraat 65 1090 Jette Belgium tel+32 (0)476 576 287 www.spooninmybrain.org www.myspace.com/spooninmybrain www.facebook.com/spooninmybrain www.youtube.com/spooninmybrain skype: Spooninmybrain philip.meersman@gmail.com www.poetasdelmundo.com/verInfo_europa.asp?ID=3D4337 http://www.youtube.com/DAstrugistenDA www.myspace.com/artiestencollectiefja =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:33:31 -0500 Reply-To: cheryl.pallant@gmail.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Cheryl Pallant Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: <1390491171.52e136234c886@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Charles, Thanks for changing the view and access to poetry. It's been a great map. Cheryl Pallant On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Charles Bernstein < Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: > I started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo and > co-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding of > the > Electronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically new > format. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not > longer > viable for me to continue to sponsor the list. > > I want to thanks the list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999: Joel > Kuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving moderator > Amy > King. I am grateful to them for the work they have done. > > While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do follow the > posts. > And over the years the list has been great company and the origin of > friendships > for many of us and some great conversations. > > More information on the list at > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html > > The archives should remain in place. > > Charles Bernstein > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- cherylpallant.com "It is one of the commonest of our mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all that there is to perceive." -- C.W. Leadbeater ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:36:19 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Amanda Earl Organization: AngelHousePress Subject: Re: the last posts In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i am very sorry to hear. thank you, Charles & the list moderators. you've provided a vital service. Amanda Earl -- http://angelhousepress.com/content.php the angel is in the house ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 09:50:07 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: <1390491171.52e136234c886@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charles; Thank you for providing this list for some many years. I do hope someone will take it up for another generation, as it's important that poets keep talking to each other. Warm Regards, Joel On 1/23/2014 7:32 AM, Charles Bernstein wrote: > I started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo and > co-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding of the > Electronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically new > format. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not longer > viable for me to continue to sponsor the list. > > I want to thanks the list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999: Joel > Kuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving moderator Amy > King. I am grateful to them for the work they have done. > > While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do follow the posts. > And over the years the list has been great company and the origin of friendships > for many of us and some great conversations. > > More information on the list at > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html > > The archives should remain in place. > > Charles Bernstein > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:57:21 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Subject: Re: the last posts In-Reply-To: <20140123171345.84CAA5296@postscanB.acsu.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been a lurker in recent years=3B not so when I first was on the list a= long time ago. But the list has been an invaluable source of "deep gossip= =2C" a sense of what is going in in the diffuse=2C dispersed poetry communi= ties. I will miss it=2C and I hope something besides Facebook emerges to t= ake its place. Mark DuCharme > Date: Thu=2C 23 Jan 2014 12:13:43 -0500 > From: Charles.Bernstein@English.Upenn.Edu > Subject: the last posts > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > =20 > ---------------------- Information from the mail header -----------------= ------ > Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn=2C UB)" > Poster: Charles Bernstein > Subject: the last posts > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > =20 > Yes: list is ending its long run! > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:01:30 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: I 55 Subject: Re: the last posts In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wonderful work we have all benefitted from! Allison Hedge Coke Sent from my iPhone On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Stephen Ellis wrote: > Thank you, Charles, for providing a forum that, for many years, provided a= means for serious discussions and disputes a la poetics, especially in the e= arlier years, when various persons were drummed off the list, along with ens= uing commentary. One wishes such a thing could be rekindled in and from ano= ther place, as now's the time for exactly that, now, more than ever. Ciao. > =20 > . > =20 >> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:13:43 -0500 >> From: Charles.Bernstein@English.Upenn.Edu >> Subject: the last posts >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> =20 >> Yes: list is ending its long run! >> =20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideline= s & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:02:27 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joe Safdie Subject: Re: the last posts In-Reply-To: <1390497223.52e14dc7e90c8@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Charles, It's been a great venue and I've met many lifetime companions through = the list and its offshoots, so thank you for providing the opportunity. The list is ending just as my first full-length book is becoming = available from Blaze Vox books next month. In that I've registered = unhappiness with the commercial nature of the list in recent years, it's = appropriately paradoxical that my last post in this company would be to = supply that link: = http://www.blazevox.org/index.php/Shop/new-releases/scholarship-by-joe-saf= die-367/ Best regards to all far-flung correspondents. "If the Poetics List = didn't exist, it would have to be invented" (?). Joe Safdie On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Charles Bernstein wrote: > Yes: list is ending its long run! > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:10:21 GMT Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "skyplums@juno.com" Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yes thanks charles and all it's been a valuable source of information c= ommunication and dare i say at times companionship - even squabbles = = ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Maria Damon To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:55:10 -0500 Yes, chiming in as well. Thanks, Charles. The poetics list opened a = world up to me, a world that has continued to grow and deepen, even as = the list itself took a background role after a number of years. xo On 1/23/14 10:38 AM, Mairead Byrne wrote: > Thanks for list, Charles. > It has been an invaluable source of information and community. > Sometimes it's time to call it a day. > If this announcement means the list will be no more, I'll miss it. > Mair=E9ad > > Professor of Poetry + Poetics > Department of Literary Arts + Studies > Division of Liberal Arts > Rhode Island School of Design > 2 College Street > Providence, RI 02903 > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Charles Bernstein < > Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: > >> I started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo= and >> co-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding= of >> the >> Electronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically = new >> format. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is no= t >> longer >> viable for me to continue to sponsor the list. >> >> I want to thanks the list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999= : Joel >> Kuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving modera= tor >> Amy >> King. I am grateful to them for the work they have done. >> >> While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do follow= the >> posts. >> And over the years the list has been great company and the origin of >> friendships >> for many of us and some great conversations. >> >> More information on the list at >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html >> >> The archives should remain in place. >> >> Charles Bernstein >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.h= tml >> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guide= lines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideli= nes & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:17:00 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: jim andrews Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: <1390491171.52e136234c886@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Charles. The list has been important in my life. I started = reading it and the Electronic Poetry Center in 1995. I'd print out = interesting essays by you, Charles, and others, and I'd leave them in = the coffee shop where I hosted a weekly poetry reading series in = Victoria Canada. The essays always disappeared; people appreciated them. = The list introduced me to many interesting poets and their poetics over = the years. The list was the strongest internationalist element in English poetry = for many years, I think.=20 Many thanks, Charles, for such egalitarian use of your considerable = 'cultural capital' in creating the list and the Electronic Poetry Center = with Loss and others. Well done. Very well done. ja http://vispo.com=20= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:17:06 -0800 Reply-To: Stephen Vincent Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: the last posts In-Reply-To: <1390497223.52e14dc7e90c8@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Will the List continue to be archived? Or are all the bodies floating down = the Styx?=0A=0AThanks, Charles, for having laid it all out for over the yea= rs! No small productive vision, methinks.=0A=0AStephen Vincent=0Awww.stephe= navincent.com =A0=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Charles= Bernstein =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUF= FALO.EDU =0ASent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:13 AM=0ASubject: the last po= sts=0A =0A=0AYes: list is ending its long run!=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check g= uidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:25:18 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Willard Fox Subject: List asunder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I too am sad to see the list go and hope that someone else will sponsor another one with such a scope. I have rarely posted but have listened intently and as a poet in the provinces learned much about the poetic landscape. Thanks, Charles, for the service rendered to us all, skip fox ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:46:51 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Laura Hinton Subject: Re: the last posts In-Reply-To: <1390497223.52e14dc7e90c8@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Charles and everyone on "the List" -- I add my thanks to the long list of List thank-yous. What a great innovation in its time, Charles -- adding to all your incredible accomplishments. You've brought so many of together through this forum over years. While I often don't respond to individual posts, I read a lot of what I receive. I, too, have learned more about the small press and poetics issues by reading this List. I will be sad to open my gmail account and not have the list-serve showing up. Something to think about: Does anyone else have the institutional tech-support to start up a Poetics List 2 and take over the current email list if so? My university is hopelessly under-equipped technically. But for the poetry professors out there at tech-savvy (and better funded) colleges, perhaps one of you could consider taking this project on. While internet journals are not quite the same thing as a Listserve, there is the tradition of changing institutional venues with the example of Jacket / Jacket2 -- and How2 may have changed its institutional server facilities midstream at least once (and will again if it ever comes back -- there's another forum that I dearly miss!) Good wishes to you all, Laura -- Laura Hinton Professor of English City College of New York 138 at Convent Ave. New York, New York 10031 www.mermaidtenementpress.com http://www.chantdelasirene.com *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- Circe* ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:05:20 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ricky Ray Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks, Charles, and all, for the list and your presence in my life over the years. As a young-ish poet of the autodidact variety, one who relied on it heavily for tidbits of information, leads to other areas of exploration, promptings for reflection, and a sense of poetic community while I had none in my "physical" life, it hurts to have it end. And the activity I dreamed of instigating, once I came out of lurkdom and pleaded to these fellow poets to share more, will have to pass in regret. I wonder if someone is willing to carry the torch elsewhere? Or what lists others would recommend to ease the pain? Ricky Ray On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Cheryl Pallant wrote: > Charles, > > Thanks for changing the view and access to poetry. It's been a great map. > > Cheryl Pallant > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Charles Bernstein < > Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: > >> I started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo and >> co-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding of >> the >> Electronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically new >> format. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not >> longer >> viable for me to continue to sponsor the list. >> >> I want to thanks the list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999: > Joel >> Kuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving moderator >> Amy >> King. I am grateful to them for the work they have done. >> >> While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do follow the >> posts. >> And over the years the list has been great company and the origin of >> friendships >> for many of us and some great conversations. >> >> More information on the list at >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html >> >> The archives should remain in place. >> >> Charles Bernstein >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > > > -- > cherylpallant.com > > > "It is one of the commonest of our mistakes to consider that the limit of > our power of perception is also the limit of all that there is to > perceive." > -- C.W. Leadbeater< > http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/142259.C_W_Leadbeater> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:16:54 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: Re: the last posts wait : what? dont end list; i love list! there are things i only hear abt through this space! > > Yes: list is ending its long run! > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > -- writer/editor/publisher ; ottawater, above/ground press + Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ; coord., SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair poetry - Songs for little sleep, (obvious epiphanies press) ; 2nd novel - missing persons ; abovegroundpress.blogspot.com ; robmclennan.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:22:40 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: new from above/ground press: Present!, by N.W. Lea Present! N.W. Lea $3 the gangster with rubber extendible arms holds me up like a baby to the sun I can see up close the gilded cliffs with their innumerable catacombs there is an edgy love to the way he sways me possibly I am in heaven published in Ottawa by above/ground press January 2014 a/g subscribers receive a complimentary copy N.W. Lea lives and writes in Ottawa. He is the author of two previous chapbooks: light years (above/ground press, 2006) and Actual Girl (The Emergency Response Unit, 2011) as well as the full-length collection Everything is Movies (Chaudiere Books, 2007). This is his second chapbook with above/ground press after light years (2006). N.W. 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From: Peter Quartermain Subject: Re: the last posts In-Reply-To: <1390497223.52e14dc7e90c8@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, damn! I'm sorry to see the list go, but I guess you're right, its time has come (gone). I'll miss it, and --well, THANKS, to everyone concerned. It was a good ride. What next, I wonder (but the next is probably here already, just like tomorrow). Peter Quartermain 846 Keefer Street Vancouver BC V6A 1Y7 604 255 8274 > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Charles Bernstein > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:14 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: the last posts > > Yes: list is ending its long run! > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub > info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:37:25 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sonnet_L=27Abb=E9?= Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: <1390491171.52e136234c886@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll miss it - thanks for a great resource that opened up the community beyond US borders ... Dr. Sonnet L=92Abb=E9 Lecturer, Creative Studies University of British Columbia Okanagan Campus | 250.807.9959 On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Charles Bernstein < Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: > I started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo and > co-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding of > the > Electronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically new > format. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not > longer > viable for me to continue to sponsor the list. > > I want to thanks the list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999: Jo= el > Kuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving moderator > Amy > King. I am grateful to them for the work they have done. > > While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do follow the > posts. > And over the years the list has been great company and the origin of > friendships > for many of us and some great conversations. > > More information on the list at > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html > > The archives should remain in place. > > Charles Bernstein > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:24:15 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "c. allan dinsmore" Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: <1390491171.52e136234c886@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Charles. I shall be sad indeed to see the list go, but I thank you for many great years. Best, Claire On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Charles Bernstein < Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: > I started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo and > co-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding of > the > Electronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically new > format. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not > longer > viable for me to continue to sponsor the list. > > I want to thanks the list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999: Jo= el > Kuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving moderator > Amy > King. I am grateful to them for the work they have done. > > While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do follow the > posts. > And over the years the list has been great company and the origin of > friendships > for many of us and some great conversations. > > More information on the list at > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html > > The archives should remain in place. > > Charles Bernstein > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 "A chief event of life is the day in which we have encountered a mind that startled us." =97 Ralph Waldo Emerson "There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, presumption of knowledge.= " =97 Socrates The Dazzle as Question: http://www.studiocleo.com/projects/dazzle http://www.studiocleo.com Editor, Cauldron & Net: an on-line journal of the arts & new media http://www.studiocleo.com/cauldron/ Music Ratings of Lady Gnosis: http://gnosis2000.net/gnosearch.cgi =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:30:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: reJennifer Bartlett Subject: Re: the last posts In-Reply-To: <002f01cf186b$430e4650$c92ad2f0$@mail.ubc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thank you Charles! And everyone! On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Peter Quartermain wrote: > Well, damn! I'm sorry to see the list go, but I guess you're right, its > time > has come (gone). I'll miss it, and --well, THANKS, to everyone concerned. > It > was a good ride. What next, I wonder (but the next is probably here > already, > just like tomorrow). > > Peter Quartermain > 846 Keefer Street > Vancouver > BC V6A 1Y7 > 604 255 8274 > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >> Behalf Of Charles Bernstein >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:14 AM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: the last posts >> >> Yes: list is ending its long run! >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub >> info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:32:05 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Huzzah! and may we all drink wine together. ~mIEKAL On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Sonnet L'Abb=E9 wrot= e: > I'll miss it - thanks for a great resource that opened up the community > beyond US borders ... > > Dr. Sonnet L=92Abb=E9 > > Lecturer, Creative Studies > > University of British Columbia > > Okanagan Campus | 250.807.9959 > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Charles Bernstein < > Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: > >> I started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo a= nd >> co-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding o= f >> the >> Electronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically ne= w >> format. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not >> longer >> viable for me to continue to sponsor the list. >> >> I want to thanks the list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999: > Joel >> Kuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving moderato= r >> Amy >> King. I am grateful to them for the work they have done. >> >> While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do follow t= he >> posts. >> And over the years the list has been great company and the origin of >> friendships >> for many of us and some great conversations. >> >> More information on the list at >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html >> >> The archives should remain in place. >> >> Charles Bernstein >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:27:18 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Donald Wellman Subject: Re: the last posts In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks are due and given but I'm bummed! -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 12:57 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: the last posts I've been a lurker in recent years; not so when I first was on the list a long time ago. But the list has been an invaluable source of "deep gossip," a sense of what is going in in the diffuse, dispersed poetry communities. I will miss it, and I hope something besides Facebook emerges to take its place. Mark DuCharme > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:13:43 -0500 > From: Charles.Bernstein@English.Upenn.Edu > Subject: the last posts > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > ---------------------- Information from the mail header ----------------------- > Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" > Poster: Charles Bernstein > Subject: the last posts > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > Yes: list is ending its long run! > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 15:59:33 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Wallis Leslie Subject: Re: List asunder Comments: To: Willard Fox MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 RXZlbiBhIGNoYWZmIGNhbiBsb29rIGF0IGEga2luZy4gVGhhbmtzIGZvciBjb3VudGxlc3MgZ2xp bXBzZXMgb2YgYXBwbGllZCBwb2V0aWNzLgoKV2FsbGlzIExlc2xpZQoKV2lsbGFyZCBGb3ggPHd4 Zjg0MjRATE9VSVNJQU5BLkVEVT4gd3JvdGU6Cgo+SSB0b28gYW0gc2FkIHRvIHNlZSB0aGUgbGlz dCBnbyBhbmQgaG9wZSB0aGF0IHNvbWVvbmUgZWxzZSB3aWxsIHNwb25zb3IgYW5vdGhlciBvbmUg d2l0aCBzdWNoIGEgc2NvcGUuIEkgaGF2ZSByYXJlbHkgcG9zdGVkIGJ1dCBoYXZlIGxpc3RlbmVk IGludGVudGx5IGFuZCBhcyBhIHBvZXQgaW4gdGhlIHByb3ZpbmNlcyBsZWFybmVkIG11Y2ggYWJv dXQgdGhlIHBvZXRpYyBsYW5kc2NhcGUuCj4KPlRoYW5rcywgQ2hhcmxlcywgZm9yIHRoZSBzZXJ2 aWNlIHJlbmRlcmVkIHRvIHVzIGFsbCwKPgo+c2tpcCBmb3gKPgo+PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQo+VGhlIFBvZXRpY3MgTGlzdCBpcyBtb2RlcmF0ZWQgJiBkb2VzIG5v dCBhY2NlcHQgYWxsIHBvc3RzLiBDaGVjayBndWlkZWxpbmVzICYgc3ViL3Vuc3ViIGluZm86IGh0 dHA6Ly9lcGMuYnVmZmFsby5lZHUvcG9ldGljcy93ZWxjb21lLmh0bWwK ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:42:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: blacksox Subject: Re: the last posts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 VGhhbmtzIENoYXJsZXMgYW5kIGFsbCB0aG9zZSBpbnZvbHZlZC4KCgpTZW50IGZyb20gbXkgU2Ft c3VuZyBHYWxheHkgU8KuNAoKLS0tLS0tLS0gT3JpZ2luYWwgbWVzc2FnZSAtLS0tLS0tLQpGcm9t OiBhbGRvbmxuaWVsc2VuQEdNQUlMLkNPTSAKRGF0ZTowMS8yMy8yMDE0ICAxMjozNiBQTSAgKEdN VC0wNTowMCkgClRvOiBQT0VUSUNTQExJU1RTRVJWLkJVRkZBTE8uRURVIApTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTog dGhlIGxhc3QgcG9zdHMgCgpCZWZvcmUgd2UgZ28sIGNvdWxkIHNvbWVvbmUgcGxlYXNlLCBvbmUg bGFzdCB0aW1lLCBkZW5vdW5jZSB0aGUgcmVzdCBvZiB1cyBmb3Igbm90IHRhbGtpbmcgYWJvdXQg cG9ldGljcywgc2VuZCBtZSBhIGJhY2sgY2hhbm5lbCBmbGFtZSwgYW5kIHJhaWwgYWdhaW5zdCB0 aGUgdHlyYW5ueSBvZiBCdWZmYWxvPyBJIG1pc3MgdGhvc2UgZGF5cy4KCgpUcnVlLCBtYW55IG9m IG91ciBkaXNjdXNzaW9ucyBoYXZlIG1pZ3JhdGVkIHRvIEZhY2VCb29rIGFuZCBlbHNld2hlcmUs IGJ1dCB0aGlzIGxpc3QgaGFzIGNvbnRpbnVlZCBvdmVyIHRoZSB5ZWFycyB0byBiZSBhIHBsYWNl IEkgY291bGQgdHVybiB0byBmb3IgbXVjaCBuZWVkZWQgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24uwqAgSSByZWNhbGwg dGhlIHRpbWUgaXQgb25seSB0b29rIFJvbiBTaWxsaW1hbiBhIG1pbnV0ZSB0byBjb21lIHVwIHdp dGggYW4gaWRlbnRpZmljYXRpb24gdGhhdCBoYWQgYmVlbiBwdXp6bGluZyBtZSBpbiBhIEJvYiBL YXVmbWFuIHBvZW0uCgoKClNvLCB0aGFua3MgYWdhaW4gdG8gQ2hhcmxlcyBhbmQgdGhlIG1vZGVy YXRvcnMgZm9yIHllYXJzIG9mIHBsZWFzdXJlIGFuZCBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbi4= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 01:10:38 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Pluto, Anne" Subject: Re: the last posts In-Reply-To: <52E15313.7050103@angelhousepress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Many thanks Charles, et al. I will miss the list. Annie Pluto --=20 On 1/23/14 12:36 PM, "Amanda Earl" wrote: > i am very sorry to hear. thank you, Charles & the list moderators. > you've provided a vital service. > > Amanda Earl > > > --=20 > http://angelhousepress.com/content.php > the angel is in the house > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 16:22:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: <419231A2-611D-4129-81DA-C0C5365E5A08@vispo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable what jim said. i=92ve been lurking the last few years during my career = shift but I will miss this source of news information and camaraderie. = it=92s influence on my development as a poet and writer is not something = that could be easily measured, but I would have ended up somewhere = different, and probably less richly embroidered, if it hadn=92t existed. On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, jim andrews wrote: > Thanks, Charles. The list has been important in my life. I started = reading it and the Electronic Poetry Center in 1995. I'd print out = interesting essays by you, Charles, and others, and I'd leave them in = the coffee shop where I hosted a weekly poetry reading series in = Victoria Canada. The essays always disappeared; people appreciated them. = The list introduced me to many interesting poets and their poetics over = the years. > =20 > The list was the strongest internationalist element in English poetry = for many years, I think.=20 > =20 > Many thanks, Charles, for such egalitarian use of your considerable = 'cultural capital' in creating the list and the Electronic Poetry Center = with Loss and others. Well done. Very well done. > =20 > ja > http://vispo.com=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html Jason Quackenbush jfquackenbush@icloud.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:55:07 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Kevin Killian Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Charles, perhaps a final American Graffiti moment to tell us where they = are now, the men and women who started this strange utopian project and = whose names were once as familiar to me as my own? Maybe that's the urge of the novelist, not the poet. Thanks for doing this, xxx Kevin K. On Jan 23, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Jason Quackenbush = wrote: > what jim said. i=92ve been lurking the last few years during my career = shift but I will miss this source of news information and camaraderie. = it=92s influence on my development as a poet and writer is not something = that could be easily measured, but I would have ended up somewhere = different, and probably less richly embroidered, if it hadn=92t existed. > =20 > On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, jim andrews wrote: > =20 >> Thanks, Charles. The list has been important in my life. I started = reading it and the Electronic Poetry Center in 1995. I'd print out = interesting essays by you, Charles, and others, and I'd leave them in = the coffee shop where I hosted a weekly poetry reading series in = Victoria Canada. The essays always disappeared; people appreciated them. = The list introduced me to many interesting poets and their poetics over = the years. >> =20 >> The list was the strongest internationalist element in English poetry = for many years, I think.=20 >> =20 >> Many thanks, Charles, for such egalitarian use of your considerable = 'cultural capital' in creating the list and the Electronic Poetry Center = with Loss and others. Well done. Very well done. >> =20 >> ja >> http://vispo.com=20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =20 > Jason Quackenbush > jfquackenbush@icloud.com > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:08:28 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Marc Thompson Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm going to miss it. I've discovered some interesting journals and websites here, and met interesting people. All of whom were gracious to me even when I was clueless. Since my day job is stay-at-home dad, it's been a great connection into the greater world of poetry. So long and thanks for all the fish. Best, Marc Thompson On Jan 23, 2014 7:40 PM, "mIEKAL aND" wrote: > Huzzah! and may we all drink wine together. > > ~mIEKAL > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Sonnet L'Abb=E9 > wrote: > >> I'll miss it - thanks for a great resource that opened up the community >> beyond US borders ... >> >> Dr. Sonnet L=92Abb=E9 >> >> Lecturer, Creative Studies >> >> University of British Columbia >> >> Okanagan Campus | 250.807.9959 >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Charles Bernstein < >> Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: >> >>> I started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo > and >>> co-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding > of >>> the >>> Electronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically > new >>> format. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is no= t >>> longer >>> viable for me to continue to sponsor the list. >>> >>> I want to thanks the list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999= : >> Joel >>> Kuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving > moderator >>> Amy >>> King. I am grateful to them for the work they have done. >>> >>> While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do follow > the >>> posts. >>> And over the years the list has been great company and the origin of >>> friendships >>> for many of us and some great conversations. >>> >>> More information on the list at >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html >>> >>> The archives should remain in place. >>> >>> Charles Bernstein >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 02:09:31 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Comments: RFC822 error: Invalid RFC822 field - "David =". Rest of header flushed. From: David Seaman Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: <1390491171.52e136234c886@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable When will the last post appear? When can we still submit a post?=0ADavid=A0= =0A=0AOn Jan 23, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Charles Bernstein wrote:=0A=0AI started the Poetics List in late 1993, jus= t after I came to Buffalo and=0Aco-founded the Poetics Program and a littl= e while before the founding of the=0AElectronic Poetry Center. At that tim= e the this list was a radically new=0Aformat. But it has been over ten yea= rs since I left Buffalo; it is not longer=0Aviable for me to continue to s= ponsor the list.=0A=0AI want to thanks the list moderators, a role first i= ntroduced in 1999: Joel=0AKuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our l= ongest serving moderator Amy=0AKing. I am grateful to them for the work th= ey have done.=0A=0AWhile I have not been active on the list in recent year= s, I do follow the posts.=0AAnd over the years the list has been great com= pany and the origin of friendships=0Afor many of us and some great convers= ations.=0A=0AMore information on the list at=0Ahttp://epc.buffalo.edu/poet= ics/poeticslist.html=0A=0AThe archives should remain in place.=0A=0ACharle= s Bernstein=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is modera= ted & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http:/= /epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 02:19:02 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Comments: RFC822 error: Invalid RFC822 field - "AMULETS is a publication devoted to AMericans Using LETters =". Rest of header flushed. From: David Seaman Subject: Any chance for one last post to move to the future? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Here it is:=0AAMULETS is a publication devoted to AMericans Using LETters = and Signs.=A0 Inspired and informed by the traditions of Dada, concrete po= etry, lettrism and INIsmo, this journal gathers contributions from practit= ioners of the visual poetry community, and publishes them in two forms: an= on-line website with complete texts, and a limited edition series of amul= ets (suitable as neckwear) that will contain fragments of the complete tex= ts.=0A=A0=0AThe inaugural issue will be devoted to PRESCRIPTIONS, ie: stat= ements of purpose, ideology, principles, guidelines, orientations. Etc.=0A= =A0=0AThe editors are David W. Seaman, founder, and Paul Lambert. Seaman i= s a scholar of avant-garde 20th century poetry, author of the book, French= Concrete Poetry and other essays on the subject. Paul Lambert has been du= bbed the =93King of INIUSA,=94 recognizing his role as an avant-garde arti= st in America.=0A=A0=0AAll works will remain the property of the artist, w= ith permission to AMULETS for one-time publication.=0A=A0=0AContributors s= elected for the inaugural issue will be able to display their statement of= principle, and from one to three original works that illustrate their ori= entation.=0A=A0=0ASEND statements of interest, proposals, manifestos, visu= al poetry, and position papers to dseaman40@me.com=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=0A= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:32:42 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Piotr Gwiazda Subject: Grzegorz Wroblewski=?windows-1252?Q?=92s_?= Upcoming Readings in London, February 7-9, 2014 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Polish poet Grzegorz Wroblewski, the author of (most recently) *Kopenhaga*(Zephyr Press, trans. Piotr Gwiazda) and *A Marzipan Factory* (Otoliths Books, trans. Adam Zdrodowski) will make three appearances in London in early February, 2014. Friday, February 7, 2014, 5-7 p.m. Grzegorz Wr=F3blewski and Friends: An Evening of Polish Migrating Poetry. With Piotr Gwiazda, Marcus Slease, and Adam Zdrodowski. University College London, School of Slavonic and East European Studies, 16 Taviton St., London. Saturday, February 8, 2014, 7 p.m. Wrogowie/The Enemies Project: Polish Poetry. With S.J. Fowler, Piotr Gwiazda, Marcus Slease, Adam Zdrodowski, and others. Rich Mix Arts Centre, 35 - 47 Bethnal Green Road, London. Sunday, February 9, 2014, 7:30 p.m. Poetry Reading. With Piotr Gwiazda, introduced by Dan Gutkind and Marcus Slease. Torriano Meeting House, 99 Torriano Avenue, Kentish Town, London. --=20 Piotr Gwiazda, Visiting Scholar Humanities Center, University of Pittsburgh Associate Professor of English University of Maryland Baltimore County (UMBC) http://www.umbc.edu/english/faculty/gwiazda.html http://piotrgwiazda.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 22:02:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nicholas Piombino Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) Comments: To: mIEKAL aND In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Before there was blogging, before there was Facebook, before there were so many newer sites I don't know much about, there was the Buffalo Poetics List as a gathering place for poets and their friends. A toast, as mIEKAL said, to Charles and to all who participated."So we row on..." Nick On 1/23/14 6:32 PM, "mIEKAL aND" wrote: > Huzzah! and may we all drink wine together. > =20 > ~mIEKAL > =20 > =20 > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Sonnet L'Abb=E9 wrot= e: > =20 >> I'll miss it - thanks for a great resource that opened up the community >> beyond US borders ... >> =20 >> Dr. Sonnet L=B9Abb=E9 >> =20 >> Lecturer, Creative Studies >> =20 >> University of British Columbia >> =20 >> Okanagan Campus | 250.807.9959 >> =20 >> =20 >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Charles Bernstein < >> Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: >> =20 >>> I started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo a= nd >>> co-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding o= f >>> the >>> Electronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically ne= w >>> format. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not >>> longer >>> viable for me to continue to sponsor the list. >>> =20 >>> I want to thanks the list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999: >> Joel >>> Kuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving moderato= r >>> Amy >>> King. I am grateful to them for the work they have done. >>> =20 >>> While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do follow t= he >>> posts. >>> And over the years the list has been great company and the origin of >>> friendships >>> for many of us and some great conversations. >>> =20 >>> More information on the list at >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html >>> =20 >>> The archives should remain in place. >>> =20 >>> Charles Bernstein >>> =20 >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >>> =20 >> =20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> =20 > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 03:17:58 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jesse Glass Subject: Thanks, thanks, thanks! From Jesse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This has been a truly wonderful resource. I shall miss it terribly. Many thanks to everyone involved. Good luck to one and all and however we met via this list, I wish you all the very best. Jesse Glass ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:24:31 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I would look forward to wrangling over the sound track to this film. Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Kevin Killian wrote: > Charles, perhaps a final American Graffiti moment to tell us where they > are now, the men and women who started this strange utopian project and > whose names were once as familiar to me as my own? > > Maybe that's the urge of the novelist, not the poet. > > Thanks for doing this, > > xxx Kevin K. > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 22:32:05 -0500 Reply-To: udanadan@optimum.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: the last posts Comments: cc: "Zimmerman, Daniel" In-Reply-To: <5x1w8mniec11ylg7ghofjngf.1390524169646@email.android.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Charles, Thank you for a useful and inspiring forum that has sustained and promoted a unique poetic community for many years. ~ Dan Zimmerman, UB 1962-70; 1983 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:15:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Poetics +++ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII (Also want to point out re: recent posts that there were feminist and other poetics newsgroups before that got spammed into close to non- existence, and the BBS systems carried similar - lists/listserves were only one of the early forms of dissemination. That said, however - ) I do wish the list could continue under other auspices; it provides an incredible service that really can't be replaced by IM or Facebook pages... It's difficult enough to find out about poetry/poetics events, publications, content, even with the list; without it, those of us out of the imminent NYC scene are a bit at a loss - - Alan ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:25:54 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pam Brown Subject: Poetics List (1993-2014) - to Charles Bernstein MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Charles, Me too. The Poetics list has been a great resource for me, especially living, as I do, in Sydney Australia. I loved the early discussions and I have met some invaluable longterm poetry friends on this list. Thank you, Every best wish to you & fellow poeticists, Pam -- ____________________________________________ http://thedeletions.blogspot.com/ http://pambrownbooks.blogspot.com/ http://www.shearsman.com/pages/books/catalog/2013/brown.html ___________________________________________________ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 08:38:19 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: michael farrell Subject: Re: Any chance for one last post to move to the future? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a last request from me .. if there are any poets in rome between february & july who would like to ge= t in contact please b/c me at limecha@hotmail.com thanks for access to all your worlds michael > Date: Fri=2C 24 Jan 2014 02:19:02 +0000 > From: dseaman40@MAC.COM > Subject: Any chance for one last post to move to the future? > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > =20 > Here it is: > AMULETS is a publication devoted to AMericans Using LETters and Signs. I= nspired and informed by the traditions of Dada=2C concrete poetry=2C lettri= sm and INIsmo=2C this journal gathers contributions from practitioners of t= he visual poetry community=2C and publishes them in two forms: an on-line w= ebsite with complete texts=2C and a limited edition series of amulets (suit= able as neckwear) that will contain fragments of the complete texts. > =20 > The inaugural issue will be devoted to PRESCRIPTIONS=2C ie: statements of= purpose=2C ideology=2C principles=2C guidelines=2C orientations. Etc. > =20 > The editors are David W. Seaman=2C founder=2C and Paul Lambert. Seaman is= a scholar of avant-garde 20th century poetry=2C author of the book=2C Fren= ch Concrete Poetry and other essays on the subject. Paul Lambert has been d= ubbed the =93King of INIUSA=2C=94 recognizing his role as an avant-garde ar= tist in America. > =20 > All works will remain the property of the artist=2C with permission to AM= ULETS for one-time publication. > =20 > Contributors selected for the inaugural issue will be able to display the= ir statement of principle=2C and from one to three original works that illu= strate their orientation. > =20 > SEND statements of interest=2C proposals=2C manifestos=2C visual poetry= =2C and position papers to dseaman40@me.com > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:57:30 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Comments: RFC822 error: Invalid RFC822 field - "=". Rest of header flushed. From: "Wystan Curnow (ARTS ENG)" Subject: Re: the last posts In-Reply-To: <5x1w8mniec11ylg7ghofjngf.1390524169646@email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 =0A= Utopian, community building, egalitarian, innovatory---all these apply to t= he Poetics List. It certainly profoundly changed my sense (far flung here i= n Auckland) of the world--so much larger and accessible--in which quality d= iscussion of poetry might take place. I thank Charles for that, and those w= ho contributed so fully, especially in those early years when the uniquenes= s of the technological moment that he and Loss had captured was so clear.= =0A= Wystan=0A= =0A= =0A= Wystan Curnow=0A= Professor of English (Emeritus)=0A= University of Auckland=0A= Private Bag 92019=0A= Auckland, NEW ZEALAND=0A= Ph. 64.09.3737599 work=0A= 64.09. 480.7134 home=0A= Fax 64.09. 3737429=0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] on behalf of = blacksox [blacksox@ATT.NET]=0A= Sent: Friday, 24 January 2014 1:42 p.m.=0A= To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A= Subject: Re: the last posts=0A= =0A= Thanks Charles and all those involved.=0A= =0A= =0A= Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S=AE4=0A= =0A= -------- Original message --------=0A= From: aldonlnielsen@GMAIL.COM=0A= Date:01/23/2014 12:36 PM (GMT-05:00)=0A= To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A= Subject: Re: the last posts=0A= =0A= Before we go, could someone please, one last time, denounce the rest of us = for not talking about poetics, send me a back channel flame, and rail again= st the tyranny of Buffalo? I miss those days.=0A= =0A= =0A= True, many of our discussions have migrated to FaceBook and elsewhere, but = this list has continued over the years to be a place I could turn to for mu= ch needed information. I recall the time it only took Ron Silliman a minut= e to come up with an identification that had been puzzling me in a Bob Kauf= man poem.=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= So, thanks again to Charles and the moderators for years of pleasure and in= formation.=0A= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:36:49 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Skinner Subject: Solitude, reef, star Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Salute Nothing, this spume, virgin verse Only to point to the cup; So afar many a troupe Of sirens drowns in reverse. We navigate, O my diverse Friends, me now on the poop You the sumptuous prow to reap Lightnings and seasons perverse; A fine ivresse brings me Fearless of its very pitch To bear upright this salute Solitude, reef, star To whatever is worth The white concern of our sheet. (Cid Corman, after Mallarm=E9) Thank you, Charles (& Joel, Chris, Lori, Amy): the whole world came =20 aboard . . . Onward! Jonathan=20= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 06:57:14 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: carol dorf Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'll miss the list -- I began to read many poets through following the posts. Thank you Charles, and all the other people who worked on the list. Carol -- Carol Dorf talkingwriting.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:25:29 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Laura Hinton Subject: What will be missed =?windows-1252?Q?=85?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual space for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/or multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such lists that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, many of which are alien to radical "innovative work." Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has provided some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and pulse. Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this function already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still available? Any volunteers?) Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate these possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-going discussion: laurahinton12@gmail.com. And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a potential list: https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. Best to all, Laura -- Laura Hinton Professor of English City College of New York 138 at Convent Ave. New York, New York 10031 www.mermaidtenementpress.com http://www.chantdelasirene.com *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- Circe* ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 09:53:06 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: What will be missed =?windows-1252?Q?=85?= In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I wonder how many people are subbed to the Poetics list? It would be a simple matter to start another list.. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Laura Hinton wrote: > One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual space > for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/or > multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such lists > that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, many of > which are alien to radical "innovative work." > > Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has provided > some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting > practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. > > As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and pulse. > > Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this function > already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated > monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this > would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still > available? Any volunteers?) > > Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work > myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't > like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate these > possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. > > We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on > poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a > space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. > > Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-going > discussion: > laurahinton12@gmail.com. > > And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a > potential list: > https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 > > Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. > > Best to all, > Laura > > > -- > Laura Hinton > Professor of English > City College of New York > 138 at Convent Ave. > New York, New York 10031 > > www.mermaidtenementpress.com > http://www.chantdelasirene.com > > > *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you > coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- > Circe* > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:29:54 GMT Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "skyplums@juno.com" Subject: Re: What will be missed =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=85?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 well tho i'm not the guy to do it someone should set up a similar list = for postings we need it facebook just isn't enough and is so artificial ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Laura Hinton To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: What will be missed =85 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:25:29 +0100 One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual sp= ace for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/o= r multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such list= s that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, many= of which are alien to radical "innovative work." Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has provid= ed some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and puls= e. Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this funct= ion already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still available? Any volunteers?) Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate these= possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-going= discussion: laurahinton12@gmail.com. And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a potential list: https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. Best to all, Laura -- = Laura Hinton Professor of English City College of New York 138 at Convent Ave. New York, New York 10031 www.mermaidtenementpress.com http://www.chantdelasirene.com *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- Ci= rce* =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideli= nes & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 11:58:42 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nicholas Piombino Subject: Re: Poetics +++ In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Alan, I knew that when I made the point about the Buffalo Listserv preceding blogging, someone would supply corrected information. If this was years ago I might have even guessed that it would be you! Seeing your work on here is one of the things I have missed, and having heard you've recently moved, I hope all is going well with you! Best wishes, Nick On 1/24/14 12:15 AM, "Alan Sondheim" wrote: > (Also want to point out re: recent posts that there were feminist and > other poetics newsgroups before that got spammed into close to non- > existence, and the BBS systems carried similar - lists/listserves were > only one of the early forms of dissemination. That said, however - ) > > I do wish the list could continue under other auspices; it provides an > incredible service that really can't be replaced by IM or Facebook > pages... It's difficult enough to find out about poetry/poetics events, > publications, content, even with the list; without it, those of us out of > the imminent NYC scene are a bit at a loss - > > - Alan > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:24:34 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Martha Mims Subject: Thanks, Praise and a place to migrate In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Thanks Charles for being the catalyst for something virtual but very real. E= njoy your free time too!=20 For those of you sad to lose something so valuable to the world of poetry I could host a poetics list by creating a poetics list category at Listen an= d Be Heard Poetry Cafe=20 http://www.listenandbeheard.net/poetry/ Registered users could post to that category. It could be moderated, but not= by me entirely.... If there's interest just let me know. Wishing you Peace and Poetry Martha Cinader Mims > On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Laura Hinton =20 > One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual spac= e > for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/or > multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such lists > that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, many o= f > which are alien to radical "innovative work." > =20 > Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has provided= > some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting > practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. > =20 > As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and pulse.= > =20 > Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this functio= n > already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated > monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this > would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still > available? Any volunteers?) > =20 > Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work > myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't > like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate these > possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. > =20 > We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on > poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a > space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. > =20 > Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-going > discussion: > laurahinton12@gmail.com. > =20 > And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a > potential list: > https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 > =20 > Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. > =20 > Best to all, > Laura > =20 > =20 > --=20 > Laura Hinton > Professor of English > City College of New York > 138 at Convent Ave. > New York, New York 10031 > =20 > www.mermaidtenementpress.com > http://www.chantdelasirene.com > =20 > =20 > *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you > coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- Circ= e* > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideline= s & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:43:09 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Poetics +++ In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I second Alan. Murat On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Alan Sondheim wrote: > (Also want to point out re: recent posts that there were feminist and > other poetics newsgroups before that got spammed into close to non- > existence, and the BBS systems carried similar - lists/listserves were > only one of the early forms of dissemination. That said, however - ) > > I do wish the list could continue under other auspices; it provides an > incredible service that really can't be replaced by IM or Facebook pages... > It's difficult enough to find out about poetry/poetics events, > publications, content, even with the list; without it, those of us out of > the imminent NYC scene are a bit at a loss - > > - Alan > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:10:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: What will be missed =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=A6?= In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I think, one way or another, the list should continue; Fb is bad for a number of reasons: it's noisy, the feeds are noisy, the privacy settings are arcane, things get lost in the mix, the constant advertising - including advertising in the midst of the feeds now - is bad, it's easy to spoof or hack, there are too many bells and whistles graphics, the mobile apps are limited, the software keeps trying to get you to fill out more personal information, discussions are often derailed, and a monthly updating of anything online is simply too slow at this point. Email is far more secure, leaner, runs on a variety of clients, is easy to use on mobile, and comes to you; you can also save emails in a directory for future reference. I'd like to see someone take over the list at this point and I hope that Charles would allow it to continue running until that might be a real possibility, at least a week or two. Thanks, Alan On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Laura Hinton wrote: > One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual space > for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/or > multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such lists > that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, many of > which are alien to radical "innovative work." > > Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has provided > some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting > practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. > > As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and pulse. > > Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this function > already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated > monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this > would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still > available? Any volunteers?) > > Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work > myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't > like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate these > possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. > > We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on > poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a > space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. > > Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-going > discussion: > laurahinton12@gmail.com. > > And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a > potential list: > https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 > > Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. > > Best to all, > Laura > > > -- > Laura Hinton > Professor of English > City College of New York > 138 at Convent Ave. > New York, New York 10031 > > www.mermaidtenementpress.com > http://www.chantdelasirene.com > > > *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you > coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- Circe* > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > == email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt == ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:23:53 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Brian Clements Subject: Re: What will be missed =?Windows-1252?Q?=85?= In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Please add my appreciation of Charles and the list managers to all of the c= ollected expressions thus far. No future representation of poetry and poeti= cs of the last 20 years will be sufficient without taking into account the = community, activity, and influence of the Poetics list.=20 As for ways to carry forward (re: Laura Hinton and others), I would think t= hat an invitation-only blog (through Wordpress, for example) would work sim= ilarly to this listserv, though I'm not sure a digest option would be possi= ble.=20 With gratitude, Brian Clements ________________________________________ From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of = Laura Hinton [laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:25 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: What will be missed =85 One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual space for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/or multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such lists that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, many of which are alien to radical "innovative work." Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has provided some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and pulse. Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this function already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still available? Any volunteers?) Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate these possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-going discussion: laurahinton12@gmail.com. And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a potential list: https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. Best to all, Laura -- Laura Hinton Professor of English City College of New York 138 at Convent Ave. New York, New York 10031 www.mermaidtenementpress.com http://www.chantdelasirene.com *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- Circe= * =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:26:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Marthe Reed Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Soundtrack wrangling, yes! And yes! Thank you, Charles and to all who made it possible. To the list. Marthe Marthe Reed _____________________________________ *Poetry is made in a bed like love* *Its rumpled sheets are the dawn of things* *Poetry is made in the woods* --Andre Breton, "On the road to San Romano" On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Catherine Daly wrote: > I would look forward to wrangling over the sound track to this film. > > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly@gmail.com > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Kevin Killian > wrote: > >> Charles, perhaps a final American Graffiti moment to tell us where they >> are now, the men and women who started this strange utopian project and >> whose names were once as familiar to me as my own? >> >> Maybe that's the urge of the novelist, not the poet. >> >> Thanks for doing this, >> >> xxx Kevin K. >> >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:32:31 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Finnegan Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... =20 Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're interested in subbin= g to NewPoetry, here's the link... =20 New-Poetry mailing list http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry =20 Jim Finnegan =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------Date:= Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:32:51 -0500From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Poetics List (1993-2014)I started the Poet= ics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo andco-founded the Poeti= cs Program and a little while before the founding of theElectronic Poetry C= enter. At that time the this list was a radically newformat. But it has bee= n over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not longerviable for me to con= tinue to sponsor the list.I want to thanks the list moderators, a role firs= t introduced in 1999: JoelKuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our lo= ngest serving moderator AmyKing. I am grateful to them for the work they ha= ve done.While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do foll= ow the posts.And over the years the list has been great company and the ori= gin of friendshipsfor many of us and some great conversations.More informat= ion on the list athttp://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.htmlThe archiv= es should remain in place.Charles Bernstein=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DThe= Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & = sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html----------------= --------------Date: Fri, 17 Jan=20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:58:04 -0500 Reply-To: sylvester@acsu.buffalo.edu Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: sylvester Organization: UB English Department Subject: Re: Solitude, reef, star In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Delighted !! delighted,and as far the salute, I did not try to finger it all.;Love to you and yours. Bill --- sylvester@acsu.buffalo.edu On 01/24/2014 7:36 am, Jonathan Skinner wrote: > Salute > > Nothing, this spume, virgin verse > Only to point to the cup; > So afar many a troupe > Of sirens drowns in reverse. > > We navigate, O my diverse > Friends, me now on the poop > You the sumptuous prow to reap > Lightnings and seasons perverse; > > A fine ivresse brings me > Fearless of its very pitch > To bear upright this salute > > Solitude, reef, star > To whatever is worth > The white concern of our sheet. > > (Cid Corman, after Mallarmé) > > Thank you, Charles (& Joel, Chris, Lori, Amy): the whole world came > aboard . . . > > Onward! > > Jonathan ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:06:05 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: ShaunAnne Tangney Subject: Re: What will be missed =?windows-1252?Q?=85?= In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Robinson Jeffers listserv has been shuffled around from one academic = institution/server to another as people have moved from job to job, and = at this point, the Association is working to move it to a non-academic = affiliation/server. I'm not involved, and I don't know how to do it, = but I know it is being done. I believe the RJA is looking to move the = listserv to Dotster, which hosts the RJA website. I've almost always been a lurker on this list (I've belonged since about = 1995--goodness!) but I have always enjoyed and appreciated it. Thanks = to all who have maintained it all these years, to all who post and argue = and delight and muddle on it, and to whoever among you out there who = might figure out how to keep the list going! On Jan 24, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote: > I think, one way or another, the list should continue; Fb is bad for a = number of reasons: it's noisy, the feeds are noisy, the privacy settings = are arcane, things get lost in the mix, the constant advertising - = including advertising in the midst of the feeds now - is bad, it's easy = to spoof or hack, there are too many bells and whistles graphics, the = mobile apps are limited, the software keeps trying to get you to fill = out more personal information, discussions are often derailed, and a = monthly updating of anything online is simply too slow at this point. = Email is far more secure, leaner, runs on a variety of clients, is easy = to use on mobile, and comes to you; you can also save emails in a = directory for future reference. I'd like to see someone take over the = list at this point and I hope that Charles would allow it to continue = running until that might be a real possibility, at least a week or two. > =20 > Thanks, Alan > =20 > On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Laura Hinton wrote: > =20 >> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual = space >> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language = and/or >> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such = lists >> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, = many of >> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >> =20 >> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has = provided >> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for = posting >> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific = audience. >> =20 >> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and = pulse. >> =20 >> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this = function >> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how = this >> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >> available? Any volunteers?) >> =20 >> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I = don't >> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate = these >> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >> =20 >> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even = a >> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >> =20 >> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for = on-going >> discussion: >> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >> =20 >> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on = a >> potential list: >> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >> =20 >> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >> =20 >> Best to all, >> Laura >> =20 >> =20 >> --=20 >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> =20 >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> =20 >> =20 >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- = Circe* >> =20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> =20 >> =20 > =20 > =3D=3D > email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 > music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt > =3D=3D > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:15:18 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ann Lederer Subject: Re: What will be missed =?windows-1252?Q?=85?= In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I agree with Alan. I would miss this list. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote: > I think, one way or another, the list should continue; Fb is bad for a > number of reasons: it's noisy, the feeds are noisy, the privacy settings > are arcane, things get lost in the mix, the constant advertising - > including advertising in the midst of the feeds now - is bad, it's easy to > spoof or hack, there are too many bells and whistles graphics, the mobile > apps are limited, the software keeps trying to get you to fill out more > personal information, discussions are often derailed, and a monthly > updating of anything online is simply too slow at this point. Email is far > more secure, leaner, runs on a variety of clients, is easy to use on > mobile, and comes to you; you can also save emails in a directory for > future reference. I'd like to see someone take over the list at this point > and I hope that Charles would allow it to continue running until that might > be a real possibility, at least a week or two. > > Thanks, Alan > > > On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Laura Hinton wrote: > > One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual >> space >> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/or >> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such lists >> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, many >> of >> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >> >> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has provided >> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >> >> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and pulse. >> >> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this >> function >> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >> available? Any volunteers?) >> >> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't >> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate these >> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >> >> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a >> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >> >> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-going >> discussion: >> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >> >> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a >> potential list: >> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >> >> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >> >> Best to all, >> Laura >> >> >> -- >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> >> >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >> Circe* >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> >> > == > email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 > music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt > == > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:16:54 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Francesco Levato Subject: Re: What will be missed =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=85?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" In response to Laura Hinton and others wanting to continue the conversati= on. I=20 too am in support of trying to continue the list in another format, and t= he idea of=20 a Wordpress based discussion forum could work well. There are server load= =20 issues with the email format of a list serv in that most server accounts = have a=20 limit on the number of emails that can be sent per hour, so a list like t= his could=20 potentially overwhelm such an account (university or corporate server acc= ounts=20 don't have these restrictions, but are also expensive). So, a Wordpress h= osted=20 discussion forum, without the mass email sending requirements might be a=20= solution to this. It would need to be hosted on its own server (not at=20= Wordpres.com) so that we could customize as needed (maybe have category=20= filters so you can look for discussions, calls for work, etc.). I could h= ost it on the=20 Chicago School of Poetics site, but I'd like to see if there is any inter= est in this=20 first as it would be some work to set up. Also, you can back channel me at: poet@francescolevato.com Many thanks to Charles and all the moderators for providing this resource= . Best, Francesco On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:23:53 -0500, Brian Clements =20= wrote: > Please add my appreciation of Charles and the list managers to all of th= e=20 collected expressions thus far. No future representation of poetry and po= etics of=20 the last 20 years will be sufficient without taking into account the comm= unity,=20 activity, and influence of the Poetics list.=20 > > As for ways to carry forward (re: Laura Hinton and others), I would thin= k that=20 an invitation-only blog (through Wordpress, for example) would work simil= arly to=20 this listserv, though I'm not sure a digest option would be possible.=20 > > With gratitude, > Brian Clements > ________________________________________ > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf=20= Of Laura Hinton [laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM] > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:25 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: What will be missed =85 > > One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual sp= ace > for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/o= r > multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such list= s > that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, many= of > which are alien to radical "innovative work." > > Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has provid= ed > some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting > practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. > > As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and puls= e. > > Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this funct= ion > already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated > monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this > would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still > available? Any volunteers?) > > Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work > myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't > like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate these= > possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. > > We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on > poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a > space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. > > Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-going= > discussion: > laurahinton12@gmail.com. > > And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a > potential list: > https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 > > Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. > > Best to all, > Laura > > > -- > Laura Hinton > Professor of English > City College of New York > 138 at Convent Ave. > New York, New York 10031 > > www.mermaidtenementpress.com > http://www.chantdelasirene.com > > > *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you > coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- Ci= rce* > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check gui= delines &=20 sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check gui= delines &=20 sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 22:18:14 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: What will be missed =?windows-1252?Q?=85?= In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am with Alan. I hate to see things go. Facebook has derailed us all. And thank you to Charles Bernstein, and all who have worked hard to keep this list going. Best wishes, Anny Ballardini On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote: > I think, one way or another, the list should continue; Fb is bad for a > number of reasons: it's noisy, the feeds are noisy, the privacy settings > are arcane, things get lost in the mix, the constant advertising - > including advertising in the midst of the feeds now - is bad, it's easy t= o > spoof or hack, there are too many bells and whistles graphics, the mobile > apps are limited, the software keeps trying to get you to fill out more > personal information, discussions are often derailed, and a monthly > updating of anything online is simply too slow at this point. Email is fa= r > more secure, leaner, runs on a variety of clients, is easy to use on > mobile, and comes to you; you can also save emails in a directory for > future reference. I'd like to see someone take over the list at this poin= t > and I hope that Charles would allow it to continue running until that mig= ht > be a real possibility, at least a week or two. > > Thanks, Alan > > On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Laura Hinton wrote: > > One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual >> space >> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/o= r >> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such list= s >> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, many >> of >> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >> >> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has provid= ed >> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >> >> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and puls= e. >> >> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this >> function >> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >> available? Any volunteers?) >> >> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't >> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate these >> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >> >> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a >> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >> >> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-going >> discussion: >> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >> >> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a >> potential list: >> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >> >> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >> >> Best to all, >> Laura >> >> >> -- >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> >> >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >> Circe* >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> >> > =3D=3D > email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 > music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt > =3D=3D > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Dott.ssa Anny Ballardini, MFA, PhD. http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche =AB Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae =BB Giovenale Professionista di cui alla Legge n. 4 del 14 gennaio 2013, pubblicata nella GU n. 22 del 26/01/2013 Freiberuflerin laut Gesetz Nr. 4 vom 14. J=E4nner 2013, ver=F6ffentlicht im Amtsblatt Nr. 22 vom 26.1.2013 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 21:35:43 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: For all who In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For all who attended, bewildered sometimes, instructed always, in instances, sure of the "go on, we will go on" will toward all; not only for them, but for all too! Thank you. G. E. Schwartz ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 23:07:46 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Laura Hinton Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: <8D0E749C6A3504A-1E54-9304@webmail-va023.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for this, Jim! On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Jim Finnegan wrote: > Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... > > Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're interested in > subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... > > New-Poetry mailing list > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > Jim Finnegan > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------Date: > Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:32:51 -0500From: Charles Bernstein < > Charles.Bernstein@English.Upenn.Edu>Subject: Poetics List (1993-2014)I > started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo > andco-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding of > theElectronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically > newformat. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not > longerviable for me to continue to sponsor the list.I want to thanks the > list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999: JoelKuszai, Chris > Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving moderator AmyKing. I am > grateful to them for the work they have done.While I have not been active > on the list in recent years, I do follow the posts.And over the years the > list has been great company and the origin of friendshipsfor many of us and > some great conversations.More information on the list athttp:// > epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.htmlThe archives should remain in > place.Charles Bernstein==================================The Poetics List > is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub > info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html------------------------------Date: > Fri, 17 Jan > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Laura Hinton Professor of English City College of New York 138 at Convent Ave. New York, New York 10031 www.mermaidtenementpress.com http://www.chantdelasirene.com *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- Circe* ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 23:18:44 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Laura Hinton Subject: Re: What will be missed =?windows-1252?Q?=85?= In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Count me in on this project. I love Wordpress =85 the only problem I've h= ad is dealing with a volume of users on a given site (ie., students), but it sounds like your server can handle that. I've used Wordpress now many times; the free software is clean to use and it can look great. And I agree with Alan that Facebook has all those problems. I'm looking forward to working with you, Francesco. Poetics List 2 everyone? On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Francesco Levato wrote: > In response to Laura Hinton and others wanting to continue the > conversation. I > too am in support of trying to continue the list in another format, and > the idea of > a Wordpress based discussion forum could work well. There are server load > issues with the email format of a list serv in that most server accounts > have a > limit on the number of emails that can be sent per hour, so a list like > this could > potentially overwhelm such an account (university or corporate server > accounts > don't have these restrictions, but are also expensive). So, a Wordpress > hosted > discussion forum, without the mass email sending requirements might be a > solution to this. It would need to be hosted on its own server (not at > Wordpres.com) so that we could customize as needed (maybe have category > filters so you can look for discussions, calls for work, etc.). I could > host it on the > Chicago School of Poetics site, but I'd like to see if there is any > interest in this > first as it would be some work to set up. > > Also, you can back channel me at: poet@francescolevato.com > > Many thanks to Charles and all the moderators for providing this resource= . > > Best, > Francesco > > > On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:23:53 -0500, Brian Clements > wrote: > >> Please add my appreciation of Charles and the list managers to all of th= e > collected expressions thus far. No future representation of poetry and > poetics of > the last 20 years will be sufficient without taking into account the > community, > activity, and influence of the Poetics list. >> >> As for ways to carry forward (re: Laura Hinton and others), I would thin= k > that > an invitation-only blog (through Wordpress, for example) would work > similarly to > this listserv, though I'm not sure a digest option would be possible. >> >> With gratitude, >> Brian Clements >> ________________________________________ >> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf > Of Laura Hinton [laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM] >> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:25 AM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: What will be missed =85 >> >> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual > space >> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/o= r >> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such list= s >> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, many > of >> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >> >> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has provid= ed >> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >> >> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and puls= e. >> >> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this > function >> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >> available? Any volunteers?) >> >> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't >> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate these >> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >> >> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a >> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >> >> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-going >> discussion: >> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >> >> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a >> potential list: >> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >> >> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >> >> Best to all, >> Laura >> >> >> -- >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> >> >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- > Circe* >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Laura Hinton Professor of English City College of New York 138 at Convent Ave. New York, New York 10031 www.mermaidtenementpress.com http://www.chantdelasirene.com *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- Circe= * =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:45:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Onward! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am grateful for the many notes posted here in response to the closing of the Poetics List. I want to thank, especially, Amy King, who has kept the list going for the past years with considerable dedication and effort: her generosity and acuity is appreciated. There seems considerable interest in starting something new to take up where this list has left off. And it must be new, to meet the demands of the present. Onward! ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:39:52 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Marc Thompson Subject: Re: What will be missed =?windows-1252?Q?=85?= In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sign me up! Marc Thompson On Jan 24, 2014 4:38 PM, "Laura Hinton" wrote: > Count me in on this project. I love Wordpress =85 the only problem I've= had > is dealing with a volume of users on a given site (ie., students), but it > sounds like your server can handle that. I've used Wordpress now many > times; the free software is clean to use and it can look great. And I > agree with Alan that Facebook has all those problems. > > I'm looking forward to working with you, Francesco. Poetics List 2 > everyone? > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Francesco Levato > wrote: > >> In response to Laura Hinton and others wanting to continue the >> conversation. I >> too am in support of trying to continue the list in another format, and >> the idea of >> a Wordpress based discussion forum could work well. There are server lo= ad >> issues with the email format of a list serv in that most server account= s >> have a >> limit on the number of emails that can be sent per hour, so a list like >> this could >> potentially overwhelm such an account (university or corporate server >> accounts >> don't have these restrictions, but are also expensive). So, a Wordpress >> hosted >> discussion forum, without the mass email sending requirements might be = a >> solution to this. It would need to be hosted on its own server (not at >> Wordpres.com) so that we could customize as needed (maybe have category >> filters so you can look for discussions, calls for work, etc.). I could >> host it on the >> Chicago School of Poetics site, but I'd like to see if there is any >> interest in this >> first as it would be some work to set up. >> >> Also, you can back channel me at: poet@francescolevato.com >> >> Many thanks to Charles and all the moderators for providing this > resource. >> >> Best, >> Francesco >> >> >> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:23:53 -0500, Brian Clements >> wrote: >> >>> Please add my appreciation of Charles and the list managers to all of > the >> collected expressions thus far. No future representation of poetry and >> poetics of >> the last 20 years will be sufficient without taking into account the >> community, >> activity, and influence of the Poetics list. >>> >>> As for ways to carry forward (re: Laura Hinton and others), I would > think >> that >> an invitation-only blog (through Wordpress, for example) would work >> similarly to >> this listserv, though I'm not sure a digest option would be possible. >>> >>> With gratitude, >>> Brian Clements >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behal= f >> Of Laura Hinton [laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM] >>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:25 AM >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: What will be missed =85 >>> >>> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual >> space >>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language > and/or >>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such > lists >>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, ma= ny >> of >>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>> >>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has > provided >>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >>> >>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and > pulse. >>> >>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this >> function >>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >>> available? Any volunteers?) >>> >>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don'= t >>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate the= se >>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>> >>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even = a >>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>> >>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-goi= ng >>> discussion: >>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>> >>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on = a >>> potential list: >>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>> >>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>> >>> Best to all, >>> Laura >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Laura Hinton >>> Professor of English >>> City College of New York >>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>> New York, New York 10031 >>> >>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>> >>> >>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >> Circe* >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > > > -- > Laura Hinton > Professor of English > City College of New York > 138 at Convent Ave. > New York, New York 10031 > > www.mermaidtenementpress.com > http://www.chantdelasirene.com > > > *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you > coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- > Circe* > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 18:00:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Onward! In-Reply-To: <1390603543.52e2ed17ee66c@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amy is a force of nature, as are you, Charles. Thank you both, and all moderators and generous contributors. I think Jonathan said it best, with poetry (for a shaky second I thought he had actually *just written that!*). It's great to see the energy being picked up too. The list has died! Long live the list! Mair=E9ad Professor of Poetry + Poetics Department of Literary Arts + Studies Division of Liberal Arts Rhode Island School of Design 2 College Street Providence, RI 02903 On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Charles Bernstein < Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: > I am grateful for the many notes posted here in response to the closing o= f > the Poetics List. I want to thank, especially, Amy King, who has kept the > list going for the past years with considerable dedication and effort: he= r > generosity and acuity is appreciated. There seems considerable interest i= n > starting something new to take up where this list has left off. And it > must be > new, to meet the demands of the present. Onward! > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:06:09 -0800 Reply-To: Audrey Berry Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Audrey Berry Subject: Re: What will be missed =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=A6?= In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would love the list to live, and support it's transformation to its new f= orm or address. I agree with Alan that FB is not =C2=A0the best way to host= . I await someone with the wherewithal, and energy to hold us together. Tha= nks to Mairaid Byrne =C2=A0for tuning me in, and to the list for many conne= ctions, tips, emotions and leads.=0AAudrey Berry=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Friday, Janu= ary 24, 2014 4:03 PM, Ann Lederer wrote:=0A =0AI agr= ee with Alan. I would miss this list.=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:10 = PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:=0A=0A> I think, one way or an= other, the list should continue; Fb is bad for a=0A> number of reasons: it'= s noisy, the feeds are noisy, the privacy settings=0A> are arcane, things g= et lost in the mix, the constant advertising -=0A> including advertising in= the midst of the feeds now - is bad, it's easy to=0A> spoof or hack, there= are too many bells and whistles graphics, the mobile=0A> apps are limited,= the software keeps trying to get you to fill out more=0A> personal informa= tion, discussions are often derailed, and a monthly=0A> updating of anythin= g online is simply too slow at this point. Email is far=0A> more secure, le= aner, runs on a variety of clients, is easy to use on=0A> mobile, and comes= to you; you can also save emails in a directory for=0A> future reference. = I'd like to see someone take over the list at this point=0A> and I hope tha= t Charles would allow it to continue running until that might=0A> be a real= possibility, at least a week or two.=0A>=0A> Thanks, Alan=0A>=0A>=0A> On F= ri, 24 Jan 2014, Laura Hinton wrote:=0A>=0A>=C2=A0 One thing that will be s= orely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual=0A>> space=0A>> for=C2=A0 cal= ls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/or=0A>> mult= i-media hybrid aesthetic.=C2=A0 The on-line general versions of such lists= =0A>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, m= any=0A>> of=0A>> which are alien to radical=C2=A0 "innovative work."=0A>>= =0A>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has pro= vided=0A>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for p= osting=0A>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific au= dience.=0A>>=0A>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community i= mpetus and pulse.=0A>>=0A>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative= space serving this=0A>> function=0A>> already, we might, for example, star= t a Facebook page that is updated=0A>> monthly with those announcement type= materials.=C2=A0 I don't know how this=0A>> would work. There should still= be a moderator.=C2=A0 (Amy, are you still=0A>> available? Any volunteers?)= =0A>>=0A>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive= work=0A>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with.=C2=A0= And I don't=0A>> like the advertising and snoop-ware.=C2=A0 I would have = to investigate these=0A>> possibilities.=C2=A0 But I'm happy to try to get = something going.=0A>>=0A>> We also need a space to announce calls for paper= s for conferences on=0A>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics post= s and journals, even a=0A>> space for remembrances of those poets who've pa= ssed.=0A>>=0A>> Please advise.=C2=A0 You can backchannel me at my personal = email for on-going=0A>> discussion:=0A>> laurahinton12@gmail.com.=0A>>=0A>>= And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a=0A= >> potential list:=0A>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188=0A>>=0A>>= Charles, you started it.=C2=A0 We need to continue the work.=0A>>=0A>> Bes= t to all,=0A>> Laura=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> --=0A>> Laura Hinton=0A>> Professor of = English=0A>> City College of New York=0A>> 138 at Convent Ave.=0A>> New Yor= k, New York 10031=0A>>=0A>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com=0A>> http://www.ch= antdelasirene.com=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> *"When your crew have taken you past these= Sirens, I cannot give you=0A>> coherent directions as to which of two cour= ses you are to take..." --=0A>> Circe*=0A>>=0A>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=0A>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check= =0A>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.h= tml=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A> =3D=3D=0A> email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyat= a.org/=0A> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552=0A> music: h= ttp://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/=0A> current text http://www.alansondhei= m.org/si.txt=0A=0A> =3D=3D=0A>=0A>=0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> The = Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=0A> guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A>=0A=0A=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is moderated & does not accept = all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetic= s/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:29:37 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: <8D0E749C6A3504A-1E54-9304@webmail-va023.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim I just looked at this site, and see several people from the Poetics List are already involved. I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcements better than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this list. Best Regards, Joel -- Joel Weishaus Artist-in-Residence Pacifica Graduate Institute 249 Lambert Road Carpinteria, CA 93013 Homepage: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: > Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... > > Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're interested in subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... > > New-Poetry mailing list > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > Jim Finnegan > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:42:54 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: jim andrews Subject: lists In-Reply-To: <1390604769.24823.YahooMailNeo@web125103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Say what you will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages over = lists. Though I would like to see something better emerge that people = will use as widely. One of the advantages is that you don't have to get information from = people who bore you. You can just block their posts. I know lots of = poets don't like that idea, of people being able to easily block others = from their info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing. A list is like = being in one single room with everyone subscribed to the list. It gets = old in a hurry. Windbags get at least equal time with more interesting = folks. The Facebook options on what information you get and to whom you send = info are much more granular than list options. Those sorts of options = are important, and they never materialized in listserv software. Lists = needed a more contemporary architecture of the group, of discussion, and = of the missive concerning who receives it based on permissions. ja http://vispo.com=20= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 18:47:50 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: lists In-Reply-To: <4B30A9AD-0C26-45A6-A62A-B0623ECAE53E@vispo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 a hybrid interface of facebook/twitter/blog/listserv would involve a bit more design but in the end could operate effortlessly. the real question is moderation or no moderation.' ~mIEKAL On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:42 PM, jim andrews wrote: > Say what you will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages over > lists. Though I would like to see something better emerge that people will > use as widely. > > One of the advantages is that you don't have to get information from > people who bore you. You can just block their posts. I know lots of poets > don't like that idea, of people being able to easily block others from > their info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing. A list is like being > in one single room with everyone subscribed to the list. It gets old in a > hurry. Windbags get at least equal time with more interesting folks. > > The Facebook options on what information you get and to whom you send info > are much more granular than list options. Those sorts of options are > important, and they never materialized in listserv software. Lists needed a > more contemporary architecture of the group, of discussion, and of the > missive concerning who receives it based on permissions. > > ja > http://vispo.com > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: <52E2F761.4020908@pdx.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I also think a discussion list would be the best way to go. Murat On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Joel Weishaus wrote: > Jim > > I just looked at this site, and see several people from the Poetics List > are already involved. > I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcements better > than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this list. > > Best Regards, > Joel > > -- > Joel Weishaus > Artist-in-Residence > Pacifica Graduate Institute > 249 Lambert Road > Carpinteria, CA 93013 > > Homepage: > http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 > Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: > www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm > > > > > > On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: > >> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're interested in >> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >> New-Poetry mailing list >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> Jim Finnegan >> >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 02:19:19 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Seaman Subject: Re: lists In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I become more aware each semester, as new internet courses, super sites, a= nd grade books are added, that the media go far beyond our poetic minds. W= e need to find a way to cherish the lonely poet on his bench outdoors or s= ulking in a smoke-filled study. These electronic media are wonderful for b= ringing some of us together, but we need a wider net. If i were hip I woul= d finish by saying, 'just saying' but I am too old. What I want to say is = keep poets connected. Sometimes we only have each other to support us.=A0=0A= =0ADavid=0AOn Jan 24, 2014, at 07:47 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:=0A=0Aa hybrid interface of facebook/twitter/blog/listserv would i= nvolve a bit=0Amore design but in the end could operate effortlessly. the = real question is=0Amoderation or no moderation.'=0A=0A~mIEKAL=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:42 PM, jim andrews wrote:=0A=0AS= ay what you will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages over=0Ali= sts. Though I would like to see something better emerge that people will=0A= use as widely.=0AOne of the advantages is that you don't have to get infor= mation from=0Apeople who bore you. You can just block their posts. I know = lots of poets=0Adon't like that idea, of people being able to easily block= others from=0Atheir info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing. A list= is like being=0Ain one single room with everyone subscribed to the list. = It gets old in a=0Ahurry. Windbags get at least equal time with more inter= esting folks.=0AThe Facebook options on what information you get and to wh= om you send info=0Aare much more granular than list options. Those sorts o= f options are=0Aimportant, and they never materialized in listserv softwar= e. Lists needed a=0Amore contemporary architecture of the group, of discus= sion, and of the=0Amissive concerning who receives it based on permissions= .=0Aja=0Ahttp://vispo.com=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List = is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=0Aguidelines & sub/unsub i= nfo: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 04:06:15 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Seaman Subject: Open confession MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I found you through a small request for som= Dear Caterina Davinio,=A0=0A=0AI found you through a small request for som= eone to translate avant-garde Italian. It was a notice in the Buffalo Poet= ics list.=A0=0A=0AWe agreed to do some work, and our poetic romance ensued= . Of course you have your Claudio and I have Barbara, but together you and= I have Serial Phenomenologies and Waiting for the End of the World. Our b= i-lingual editions have been lovely works that demonstrate how collaborati= on can work.=A0=0A=0AWe have found a life beyond the Poetics list, but the= list was our matchmaker. Let us praise this selfless endeavor that led to= so many fruits.=A0=0A=0ADavid Seaman= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 04:21:23 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jesse Glass Subject: Oh, Moderation Definitely! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sometimes those lonely poets start howling at the moon. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 04:23:17 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jesse Glass Subject: Re: What will be missed--Sign me Up! In-Reply-To: < MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Me too! Sign me up! Jess On 1/24/2014, "Marc Thompson" wrote: > Sign me up! > > Marc Thompson > On Jan 24, 2014 4:38 PM, "Laura Hinton" wrote: > >> Count me in on this project. I love Wordpress � the only problem I've had >> is dealing with a volume of users on a given site (ie., students), but it >> sounds like your server can handle that. I've used Wordpress now many >> times; the free software is clean to use and it can look great. And I >> agree with Alan that Facebook has all those problems. >> >> I'm looking forward to working with you, Francesco. Poetics List 2 >> everyone? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Francesco Levato >> wrote: >> >>> In response to Laura Hinton and others wanting to continue the >>> conversation. I >>> too am in support of trying to continue the list in another format, and >>> the idea of >>> a Wordpress based discussion forum could work well. There are server load >>> issues with the email format of a list serv in that most server accounts >>> have a >>> limit on the number of emails that can be sent per hour, so a list like >>> this could >>> potentially overwhelm such an account (university or corporate server >>> accounts >>> don't have these restrictions, but are also expensive). So, a Wordpress >>> hosted >>> discussion forum, without the mass email sending requirements might be a >>> solution to this. It would need to be hosted on its own server (not at >>> Wordpres.com) so that we could customize as needed (maybe have category >>> filters so you can look for discussions, calls for work, etc.). I could >>> host it on the >>> Chicago School of Poetics site, but I'd like to see if there is any >>> interest in this >>> first as it would be some work to set up. >>> >>> Also, you can back channel me at: poet@francescolevato.com >>> >>> Many thanks to Charles and all the moderators for providing this >> resource. >>> >>> Best, >>> Francesco >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:23:53 -0500, Brian Clements >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Please add my appreciation of Charles and the list managers to all of >> the >>> collected expressions thus far. No future representation of poetry and >>> poetics of >>> the last 20 years will be sufficient without taking into account the >>> community, >>> activity, and influence of the Poetics list. >>>> >>>> As for ways to carry forward (re: Laura Hinton and others), I would >> think >>> that >>> an invitation-only blog (through Wordpress, for example) would work >>> similarly to >>> this listserv, though I'm not sure a digest option would be possible. >>>> >>>> With gratitude, >>>> Brian Clements >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf >>> Of Laura Hinton [laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM] >>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:25 AM >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> Subject: What will be missed � >>>> >>>> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual >>> space >>>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language >> and/or >>>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such >> lists >>>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, many >>> of >>>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>>> >>>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has >> provided >>>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >>>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >>>> >>>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and >> pulse. >>>> >>>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this >>> function >>>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >>>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >>>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >>>> available? Any volunteers?) >>>> >>>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >>>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't >>>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate these >>>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>>> >>>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >>>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a >>>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>>> >>>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-going >>>> discussion: >>>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>>> >>>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a >>>> potential list: >>>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>>> >>>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>>> >>>> Best to all, >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Laura Hinton >>>> Professor of English >>>> City College of New York >>>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>>> New York, New York 10031 >>>> >>>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>>> >>>> >>>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >>> Circe* >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & >>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & >>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> >> >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >> Circe* >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 21:15:02 -0800 Reply-To: David Baratier Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Baratier Subject: Poetics List (1993-2014) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the vehicle and the ride, enjoyed it-- = Charles--=0A=0AThanks for the vehicle =0A=0Aand the ride, enjoyed it--=0A= =0AMet a lot of fabulous people through this list--=0AFor many years there = was plenty to discuss=0Aand listen to.=0A=0A=0A=A0=0ABe well=0A=0A=0ADavid = Baratier, Editor=0A=0A=0APavement Saw Press=0A321 Empire Street=0AMontpelie= r OH 43543=0Ahttp://pavementsaw.org=0A=0AFacebook Page=0Ahttp://www.faceboo= k.com/group.php?gid=3D25857379734&ref=3Dts =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 00:49:34 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Heller Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Charles, Sad that this is ending. A great resource. Many thanks for enabling all the various riches that appeared here. Mike Sent from my iPhone ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 00:05:16 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: allison hedge coke Subject: Re: Onward! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *Please PostP*oetry Volumes of the Twenty-First Century by Native American/American Indian/Indigenous/Tribal heritage poets of the U.S. and U.S. occupied Pacific/Hawaii compiled by the Indigenous Caucus of AWP: Jennifer Foerster, Organizer; Allison Adelle Hedge Coke, founding organizer; Sherwin Bitsui, 2013 Chair: Craig Santos Perez, 2014 Chair; Brandy Nalani McDougall, original panel/caucus member; Travis Hedge Coke, assistant (new, excluding reprints with exception of selected/collected editions, excluding vanity/self-publishing platforms or platforms whereas poet is publisher) (95 poets) (mixed genre books and/or significant chapbook publications included and noted within listings) 1. Ai. Dread: Poems. New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 2003, Hardcover 2. Ai. Dread: Poems. New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 2003, Paperback 3. Ai. No Surrender: Poems. New York: W.W. Norton & Company. 2010, Hardcove= r 4. Ai. No Surrender: Poems. New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 2010, Paperback 5. Ai. The Collected Poems of Ai. New York: W.W Norton & Company, 2013, Hardcover (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 6. Allen, Paula Gunn. America the Beautiful: the last poems. West End Press, 2010 7. Alexie, Sherman. One Stick Song. Hanging Loose Press, 2000, Hardcover 8. Alexie, Sherman. One Stick Song. Hanging Loose Press, 2000, Paperback 9. Alexie, Sherman. Face. (poems/prose, fiction). Hanging Loose Press, 2009= , Hardcover 10. Alexie, Sherman. Face. (poems/prose, fiction). Hanging Loose Press, 2009, Paperback 11. Alexie, Sherman. What I=92ve Stolen, What I=92ve Earned. Hanging Loose Press, 2013, Hardcover 12. Alexie, Sherman. What I=92ve Stolen, What I=92ve Earned. Hanging Loose Press, 2013, Paperback 13. Barnes, Jim. Visiting Picasso. University of Illinois Press, 2007, Hardcover 14. Barnes, Jim. Visiting Picasso. University of Illinois Press, 2007, Paperback 15. Barnes, Jim. On a Wing of the Sun: Three Volumes of Poetry. University of Illinois Press, 2001 16. Becker, Kimberly L. Words Facing East. WordTech Communications, 2010 17. Becker, Kimberly L. The Dividings. WordTech Communications, 2014 18. Bitsui, Sherwin. Shapeshift. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2003 19. Bitsui, Sherwin. Flood Song. Copper Canyon Press, 2009 20. Blaeser, Kimberly. Absentee Indians and other poems. Michigan State University, 2002 21. Blaeser, Kimberly. Apprenticed to Justice. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2007 22. Brings Plenty, Trevino. Real Indian Junk Jewelry. Backwaters Press, 201= 2 23. Brings Plenty, Trevino. Chapbook inclusion in Shedding Skins. Michigan State University Press, Adrian Louis Editor, 2008 24. Brolaski, Julian Talamantez. The Daily Usonian (chapbook). Atticus/Finch, 2004 25. Brolaski, Julian Talamantez. Madame Bovary's Diary (chapbook). Cy Press, 2005 26. Brolaski, Julian Talamantez. A Buck in a Corridor (chapbook). flynpyntar press, 2008 27. Brolaski, Julian Talamantez. gowanus astropolis. Ugly Duckling Presse, 2011 28. Brolaski, Julian Talamantez. Advice for Lovers. City Lights Press, 2012 29. Broyles, Marianne Aweagon. The Red Window. West End Press, 2008 30. Da=92, Laura. The Tecumseh Motel (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies II,Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2014 31. Davila, Ungelbah. Outlaw Neon (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies II,Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2014 32. Dauenhauer, Nora Marks. Life Woven with Song (mixed-genre). University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2000, Hardcover 33. Dauenhauer, Nora Marks. Life Woven with Song (mixed-genre). University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2000, Paperback 34. Dauenhauer, Nora Marks. An=F3oshi Ling=EDt Aan=ED K=E1 / Russians in Tl= ingit America: The Battles of Sitka, 1802 and 1804 (Classics of Tlingit Oral Literature/mixed genre/bilingual/co-written). University of Washington Press, 2008, Hardcover 35. Dauenhauer, Nora Marks. An=F3oshi Ling=EDt Aan=ED K=E1 / Russians in Tl= ingit America: The Battles of Sitka, 1802 and 1804 (Classics of Tlingit Oral Literature/mixed genre/bilingual/co-written). University of Washington Press, 2008, Paperback 36. Diaz, Natalie. When My Brother was an Aztec. Copper Canyon Press, 2012 37. Driskill, Qwo-Li. Walking with Ghosts. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2005 38. Erdrich, Heid. The Mother=92s Tongue. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2005 39. Erdrich, Heid. National Monuments. Michigan State University Press, 200= 8 40. Erdrich, Heid. Cell Traffic. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2012 41. Erdrich, Louise. Original Fire. Selected and New Poems. Harper Perennial, 2004 (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 42. Foerster, Jennifer. Leaving Tulsa. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2012 43. Frazier, Santee. Dark Thirty. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2009 44. Gansworth, Eric. Nickel Eclipse: Iroquois Moon (poems/paintings). Michi= gan State University Press, 2000 45. Gansworth, Eric. Breathing the Monster Alive (poems/paintings). Bright Hill Press Word & Image Series, 2006 46. Gansworth, Eric. A Half-Life of Cardio-Pulmonary Function: Poems and Paintings (poems/paintings/memoir). Syracuse University Press/Iroquois and Their Neighbors Series, 2008 47. Gansworth, Eric. From the Western Door to the Lower East Side (poems in response to photographs by Milton Rogovin). White Pine Press, 2009 48. Glancy, Diane. Primer of the Obsolete. University of Massachusetts Press, 2004 49. Glancy, Diane. Rooms. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2005 50. Gomez, Rain C. Smoked Mullet Cornbread Crawdad Memory. Mongrel Empire Press, 2012 51. Grover, Linda LeGarde. The Indian at Boarding School (chapbook). Tribal Writers Chapbook Series, Sequoyah National Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2008 52. Harjo, Joy. A Map to the Next World: poems & tales (poems/prose). W. W. Norton & Company, 2000, Hardcover 53. Harjo, Joy. A Map to the Next World: poems & tales (poems/prose). W. W. Norton & Company, 2000, Paperback 54. Harjo, Joy. How We Became Human: New and Selected Poems 1975-2004. W. W. Norton & Company, 2002, Hardcover (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 55. Harjo, Joy. How We Became Human: New and Selected Poems 1975-2004. W. W. Norton & Company, 2004, Paperback (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 56. Hedge Coke, Allison. Off-Season City Pipe. Coffee House Press, 2005 57. Hedge Coke, Allison. Blood Run. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2006 UK 2007 US 58. Hedge Coke, Allison. Burn. With Illustrations by Dustin Mater. MadHat Press, 2014 59. Hedge Coke, Allison. Streaming (with Audio CD). Coffee House Press, 201= 4 Also edited: 60. Hedge Coke, Allison. Effigies II. Hedge Coke. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2014 (four Native women poets: dg okpik, Cathy Rexford, Brandy Nalani McDougall, Mahealani Wendt) 61. Hedge Coke, Allison. Sing: Poetry of the Indigenous Americas. Hedge Coke. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2011 (86 Indigenous poets of the Americas 12 translators, 3 associate editors) 62. Hedge Coke, Allison. Effigies. Hedge Coke. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2009 (five Native women poets: Lara Mann, Ungelbah Davila, Kateri Menominee, Kristi Leora, Laura Da=92) 63. Hedge Coke, Allison. Ahani: Indigenous American Poetry. Hedge Coke. ToTopos International Poetry/Oregon State University, 2006 64. Hedge Coke, Travis. Sing: Poetry of the Indigenous Americas (Associate Editor). Hedge Coke, Hedge Coke, et al. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2011 (86 Indigenous poets of the Americas, 12 translators, 3 associate editors) 65. Henry, Gordon. The Failure of Certain Charms: and other disparate signs of life. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2008 66. Hill, Roberta. Cicadas: New & Selected Poems. Holy Cow! Press, 2013 (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 67. Hoahwah, Sy. Split (chapbook). Inverted Press, University of Louisiana. 2001 68. Hoahwah, Sy. Black Knife (chapbook). Tribal Writers Chapbook Series, Sequoyah National Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2005 69. Hoahwah, Sy. Velroy and the Madischie Mafia. West End Press, 2009 Louis Editor, 2008 70. Hoahwah, Sy. Night Cradle. USPOCO Books, 2011 71. Hogan, Linda. Rounding the Human Corners. Coffee House Press, 2008 72. Hogan, Linda. Indios: A Poem...A Performance (chapbook.) Wings Press, 2013 73. Hogan, Linda. Dark. Sweet. New & Selected Poems. Coffee House Press, 2014 (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 74. Howe, LeAnne. Evidence of Red (poems/prose), Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2005 75. Jumper, Elgin. Nightfall (chapbook). Tribal Writers Chapbook Series, Sequoyah National Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2006 76. Kalahele, Imaikalani. Kalahele. Kalamaku Press, 2002 77. Kanae, Lisa. Sista Tongue. TinFish Press, 2001 78. Kane, Joan Naviyuk. Hyperboreal. University of Pittsburgh Press/Pitt Poetry Series, 2013 79. Kane, Joan Naviyuk. The Cormorant Hunter=92s Wife. University of Alaska Press/Alaska Poetry Series, 2012 80. Kenny, Maurice. Carving Hawk: New and Selected Poems, 1956-2000. White Pine Press, 2002 81. Kenny, Maurice. The Mama Poems. White Pine Press, 2008 83. Kihleng, Emelihter. My Urohs. Kahuaomanoa Press, 2008 84. Lajimodiere, Denise K. Dragonfly Dance. Michigan State University Press/American Indian Studies, 2010 85. Leora, Kristi. Dark Swimming (book inclusion) in Effigies II,Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2014 86. Littlecrow-Russell, Sara. The Secret Powers of Naming. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2006 87. Livingston, Chip. Museum of False Starts. Gival Press, 2010 88. Livingston, Chip. Crow-Blue, Crow-Black. NYQ Books, 2012 89. Livingston, Chip. Naming Ceremony. Lethe Press, 2014 90. Long Soldier, Layli. Chromosomory (chapbook). Q Ave Pres, 2010 91. Lopez, Casandra. Brother, Bullet (chapbook). Tribal Writers Chapbook Series, Sequoyah National Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2014 92. Louis, Adrian C. Ancient Acid Flashes Back. University of Nevada Press, 2000 93. Louis, Adrian C. Bone & Juice. Northwestern University Press, 2001 94. Louis, Adrian C. Evil Corn. Ellis Press, 2004 95. Louis, Adrian C. Deer Dreams (chapbook). Red Dragonfly Press, 2006 96. Louis, Adrian C. Logorrhea. Northwestern University Press, 2006, Paperback 97. Louis, Adrian C. Logorrhea. Northwestern University Press, 2006, Hardcover 98. Louis, Adrian C. Savage Sunsets. West End Press, 2012 Also edited: 99. Louis, Adrian C. Shedding Skins. Michigan State University Press, 2008 (with chapbooks by four Native men poets) 100. Mann, Lara. A Song of Ascents and Descents (book inclusion) in Effigie= s II, Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2014 101. Matejka, Adrian. The Devil=92s Garden. Farmington, ME: Alice James Books, 2003. Paperback 102. Matejka, Adrian. Mixology. New York: Penguin Books, 2009. Paperback 103. Matejka, Adrian. The Big Smoke. New York: Penguin Books, 2013. Paperback 104. McAdams, Janet. The Island of Lost Luggage. University of Arizona Press/First Book Series, 2000 105. McAdams, Janet. Feral. Salt Publishing, 2007 106. McDougall, Brandy Nalani. The Salt Wind: Ka Makani Paakai. Kuleana Oiwi Press, 2008 107. McDougall, Brandy Nalani. Return to the Kula House (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies, Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2009 108. McGlennan, Molly. Fried Fish and Flour Biscuits. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2010 109. McMullin, Dan Taulapapa. A Drag Queen Named Pipi. (Chapbook). TinFish Press, 2004 110. McMullin, Dan Taulapapa. Coconut Milk. University of Arizona Press, 2013 111. Menominee, Kateri. In Tongues (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies II,Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2014 112. Midge, Tiffany. The Woman Who Married the Bear. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2014 113. Miranda, Deborah A. The Zen of La Llorona. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2005 114. Momaday, N. Scott. In the Bear=92s House (poems, prose, art). Universi= ty of New Mexico Press, 2010, Hardcover 115. Momaday, N. Scott. In the Bear=92s House (poems, prose, art). Universi= ty of New Mexico Press, 2010, Paperback 116. Momaday, N. Scott. Again the Far Morning: New and Selected Poems.University of New Mexico Press, 2011, Hardcover (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 117. Momaday, N. Scott. Again the Far Morning: New and Selected Poems. University of New Mexico Press, 2011, Paperback (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 118. Morgan, Phillip Caroll. The Fork-in-the-Road Indian Poetry Store. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2006 119. Niatum, Duane. The Crooked Beak of Love. West End Press, 2000 120. Niatum, Duane. The Pull of the Green Kite. Serif & Pixel Press, 2011 121. okpik, dg nanouk. In the Time of Okvik (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies, Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2009 122. okpik, dg nanouk. Corpse Whale. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2012 123. Ortiz, Simon. Out There Somewhere. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2002 124. Paschen, Elise. Bestiary. Red Hen Press, 2009 125. Pacheco, Steve. Chapbook inclusion in Shedding Skins, Michigan State University Press, Adrian Louis Editor, 2008 126. Perez, Craig Santos. From Unincorporated Territory [Hacha]. Tinfish Press, 2008 127. Perez, Craig Santos. From Unincorporated Territory [Saina]. Omnidawn, 2010 128. Perez, Craig Santos. From Unincorporated Territory [Guma]. Omnidawn, 2014 129. Perez-Wendt, Mahealani. Uluhaimalama. Kuleana Oiwi Press, 2008 130. Perez-Wendt, Mahealani. Papahanaumoku (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies, Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2009 131. Rancourt, Suzanne. Billboard in the Clouds. Curbstone Books, 2004 132. Red Elk, Lois. Our Blood Remembers. Many Voices Press, 2011 133. Revard, Carter. How the Songs Come Down. Earthworks/Salt Publishing. 2005 134. Revilla, Noukahauoli. Say Throne. (Chapbook). TinFish, 2011 135. Rexford, Cathy Tagnak. Black Ice (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies,Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2009 136. Ruiz, Cathy. Stirring Up the Water. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2008 137. Salisbury, Ralph. War in the Genes and other poems. WordTech Communications, 2006 138. Salisbury, Ralph. Blind Pumper at the Well. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2008 139. Salisbury, Ralph. Light from a Bullet Hole: new and selected poems, 1950-2008. Silverfish Review Press, 2009 (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 140. Salisbury, Ralph. Like the Sun in Storm. The Habit of Rainy Nights Press, 2012 141. Savageau, Cheryl. Mother/Land. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2006 142. Shuck, Kim. Smuggling Cherokee. Greenfield Review, 2006 143. Sigo, Cedar. Thank you Letters (chapbook). Angry Dog, 2003 144. Sigo, Cedar. Selected Writings. Ugly Duckling Presse, 2003 145. Sigo, Cedar. Selected Writings (Expanded Second Edition). Ugly Duckling Presse, 2005 146. Sigo, Cedar. Expensive Magic (chapbook). House Press, 2008 147. Sigo, Cedar. Stranger in Town. City Lights, 2010 148. Sigo, Cedar. Music for Torching(chapbook). Lew Gallery Editions, 2010 149. Sigo, Cedar. Plains Pictograph (chapbook). Gasmeter Press, 2013 150. Sigo, Cedar. Language Arts. Wave Books, 2014 151. Sinavaina, Caroline. Alchemies of Distance. Subpress/TinFish, 2002 151. Sinavaina, Caroline. Mohawk/Samoa: Transmigrations (chapbook, co-written). Subpress/TinFish Press 2006 152. Smoker, M. L. Another Attempt at Rescue. Hanging Loose Press, 2005 153. Stevens, James Thomas. Combing the Snakes from His Hair. Michigan State University Press. 2002 154. Stevens, James Thomas. (Dis)Orient (chapbook). Palm Press, 2005 155. Stevens, James Thomas. Mohawk/Samoa: Transmigrations (chapbook, co-written). Subpress, 2005 156. Stevens, James Thomas. Bulle/Chimere (chapbook). First Intensity Press, 2006 157. Stevens, James Thomas. A Bridge Dead in the Water. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2007 158. Stevens, James Thomas. Of Kingdoms & Kangaroo (chapbook, co-written). First Intensity Press, 2008 159. Taitano, Lehua. A Bell Made of Stones. TinFish Press, 2013 160. Takehiro, Sage Uilani. Honua. Kahuaomanoa Press, 2007 161. Tamez, Margo. Raven Eye. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2007 162. Tapahonso, Luci. A Radiant Curve: Poems and Stories. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2008 163. Tohe, Laura. Tseyi=92/ Deep in the Rock: Reflections of Canyon de Chelly. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2005 164. Travis, Rebecca Hatcher. Picked Apart the Bones. Chickasaw Press, 2009 165. Trask, Haunani-Kay. Night is a Shark Skin Drum. University of Hawai'i Press, 2002 166. Troupe, Quincy. Transcircularities: New and Selected Poems. Coffee House Press, 2002 Hardcover (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 167. Troupe, Quincy. Transcircularities: New and Selected Poems. Coffee House Press, 2002 Paperback (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 168. Troupe, Quincy. The Architecture of Language. Coffee House Press, 2006, Hardcover 169. Troupe, Quincy. The Architecture of Language. Coffee House Press, 2006, Paperback 170. Troupe, Quincy. Erran=E7ities. Coffee House Press, 2012, Hardcover 171. Troupe, Quincy. Erran=E7ities. Coffee House Press, 2012, Paperback 172. Turcotte, Mark. Exploding Chippewas. TriQuarterly. 2002 173. Turner, Doyle D. Time is a Parlor Trick and other poems (chapbook). Tribal Writers Chapbook Series, Sequoyah National Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2007 174. Vizenor, Gerald. Almost Ashore. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2006 (note, the bulk of this book, selected haikus/poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 175. Vizenor, Gerald. Favor of Crows. Wesleyan Press, 2014 (note, the bulk of this book, selected haikus are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 176. Wall, Drucilla. The Geese at the Gates. Salmon Poetry, 2011 177. Warm Water, Luke. Chapbook inclusion in Shedding Skins, Michigan State University Press, Adrian Louis Editor, 2008 178. Warren, Steven. While a Hummingbird Sways (chapbook). Tribal Writers Chapbook Series, Sequoyah National Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2011 179. Waters, Joel. Chapbook inclusion in Shedding Skins, Michigan State University Press, Adrian Louis Editor, 2008 180. Westlake, Wayne. Westlake: Poems by Wayne Westlake. University of Hawai'i Press, 2010 181. White, Orlando. Bone Light. Red Hen Press, 2009 182. Wood, Karenne. Markings on Earth. University of Arizona Press/First Book Award Series, 2001 183. Wurth, Erika. Indian Trains. West End Press, 2007 184. Zepeda, Ofelia. Jewed =91I-hoi/Earth Movements. Paper with Audio CD, Kore Press, 2005 185. Zepeda, Ofelia. Where Clouds are Formed. University of Arizona Press/ Suntracks Series, 2008 Poetry Anthologies noted above (with only Native inclusions and only poetry, no mixed-genre, no student editions, no self-pub): Ahani: Indigenous American Poetry, Hedge Coke, ToTopos International Poetry/Oregon State University, 2006 Effigies II, Hedge Coke, Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2014 (four Native women poets: dg okpik, Cathy Rexford, Brandy Nalani McDougall, Mahealani Wendt) Effigies, Hedge Coke, Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2009 (five Native women poets: Lara Mann, Ungelbah Davila, Kateri Menominee, Kristi Leora, Laura Da=92) Sing: Poetry of the Indigenous Americas, Hedge Coke, Hedge Coke, et al. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2011 (86 Indigenous poets of the Americas 12 translators, 3 associate editors) Shedding Skins, Louis, Michigan State University Press, 2008 (four Native men poets: Trevino Brings Plenty, Joel Waters, Steve Pacheco, Luke Warm Water) On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:02 AM, allison hedge coke w= rote: > This is our final post: > > oetry Volumes of the Twenty-First Century > > by Native American/American Indian/Indigenous/Tribal heritage poets of > the U.S. and U.S. occupied Pacific/Hawaii compiled by the Indigenous > Caucus of AWP: Jennifer Foerster, Organizer; Allison Adelle Hedge Coke, > founding organizer; Sherwin Bitsui, 2013 Chair: Craig Santos Perez, 2014 > Chair; Brandy Nalani McDougall, original panel/caucus member; Travis Hedg= e > Coke, assistant > > (new, excluding reprints with exception of selected/collected editions, > excluding vanity/self-publishing platforms or platforms whereas poet is > publisher) (95 poets) > > (mixed genre books and/or significant chapbook publications included and > noted within listings) > > 1. Ai. Dread: Poems. New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 2003, Hardcover > > 2. Ai. Dread: Poems. New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 2003, Paperback > > 3. Ai. No Surrender: Poems. New York: W.W. Norton & Company. 2010, > Hardcover > > 4. Ai. No Surrender: Poems. New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 2010, > Paperback > > 5. Ai. The Collected Poems of Ai. New York: W.W Norton & Company, 2013, > Hardcover (note, the > > bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for > new section) > > 6. Allen, Paula Gunn. America the Beautiful: the last poems. West End > Press, 2010 > > 7. Alexie, Sherman. One Stick Song. Hanging Loose Press, 2000, Hardcover > > 8. Alexie, Sherman. One Stick Song. Hanging Loose Press, 2000, Paperback > > 9. Alexie, Sherman. Face. (poems/prose, fiction). Hanging Loose Press, > 2009, Hardcover > > 10. Alexie, Sherman. Face. (poems/prose, fiction). Hanging Loose Press, > 2009, Paperback > > 11. Alexie, Sherman. What I=92ve Stolen, What I=92ve Earned. Hanging Loos= e > Press, 2013, Hardcover > > 12. Alexie, Sherman. What I=92ve Stolen, What I=92ve Earned. Hanging Loos= e > Press, 2013, Paperback > > 13. Barnes, Jim. Visiting Picasso. University of Illinois Press, 2007, > Hardcover > > 14. Barnes, Jim. Visiting Picasso. University of Illinois Press, 2007, > Paperback > > 15. Barnes, Jim. On a Wing of the Sun: Three Volumes of Poetry. > University of Illinois Press, 2001 > > 16. Becker, Kimberly L. Words Facing East. WordTech Communications, 2010 > > 17. Becker, Kimberly L. The Dividings. WordTech Communications, 2014 > > 18. Bitsui, Sherwin. Shapeshift. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks > Series, 2003 > > 19. Bitsui, Sherwin. Flood Song. Copper Canyon Press, 2009 > > 20. Blaeser, Kimberly. Absentee Indians and other poems. Michigan State > University, 2002 > > 21. Blaeser, Kimberly. Apprenticed to Justice. Earthworks/Salt > Publishing, 2007 > > 22. Brings Plenty, Trevino. Real Indian Junk Jewelry. Backwaters Press, > 2012 > > 23. Brings Plenty, Trevino. Chapbook inclusion in Shedding Skins. > Michigan State University > > Press, Adrian Louis Editor, 2008 > > 24. Brolaski, Julian Talamantez. The Daily Usonian (chapbook). > Atticus/Finch, 2004 > > 25. Brolaski, Julian Talamantez. Madame Bovary's Diary (chapbook). Cy > Press, 2005 > > 26. Brolaski, Julian Talamantez. A Buck in a Corridor (chapbook). > flynpyntar press, 2008 > > 27. Brolaski, Julian Talamantez. gowanus astropolis. Ugly Duckling > Presse, 2011 > > 28. Brolaski, Julian Talamantez. Advice for Lovers. City Lights Press, > 2012 > > 29. Broyles, Marianne Aweagon. The Red Window. West End Press, 2008 > > 30. Da=92, Laura. The Tecumseh Motel (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies II,= Earthworks/Salt > > Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2014 > > 31. Davila, Ungelbah. Outlaw Neon (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies II,Ear= thworks/Salt > > Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2014 > > 32. Dauenhauer, Nora Marks. Life Woven with Song (mixed-genre).University= of Arizona > > Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2000, Hardcover > > 33. Dauenhauer, Nora Marks. Life Woven with Song (mixed-genre).University= of Arizona > > Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2000, Paperback > 34. Dauenhauer, Nora Marks. An=F3oshi Ling=EDt Aan=ED K=E1 / Russians in = Tlingit > America: The Battles of > > Sitka, 1802 and 1804 (Classics of Tlingit Oral Literature/mixed > genre/bilingual/co-written). > > University of Washington Press, 2008, Hardcover > > 35. Dauenhauer, Nora Marks. An=F3oshi Ling=EDt Aan=ED K=E1 / Russians in = Tlingit > America: The Battles of > > Sitka, 1802 and 1804 (Classics of Tlingit Oral Literature/mixed > genre/bilingual/co-written). > > University of Washington Press, 2008, Paperback > > 36. Diaz, Natalie. When My Brother was an Aztec. Copper Canyon Press, 201= 2 > > 37. Driskill, Qwo-Li. Walking with Ghosts. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, > 2005 > > 38. Erdrich, Heid. The Mother=92s Tongue. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 200= 5 > > 39. Erdrich, Heid. National Monuments. Michigan State University Press, > 2008 > > 40. Erdrich, Heid. Cell Traffic. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks > Series, 2012 > > 41. Erdrich, Louise. Original Fire. Selected and New Poems. Harper > Perennial, 2004 (note, the > > bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for > new section) > > 42. Foerster, Jennifer. Leaving Tulsa. University of Arizona Press/Sun > Tracks Series, 2012 > > 43. Frazier, Santee. Dark Thirty. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks > Series, 2009 > 44. Gansworth, Eric. Nickel Eclipse: Iroquois Moon (poems/paintings). Mic= higan > State University > > Press, 2000 > 45. Gansworth, Eric. Breathing the Monster Alive (poems/paintings). > Bright Hill Press Word & > > Image Series, 2006 > 46. Gansworth, Eric. A Half-Life of Cardio-Pulmonary Function: Poems and > Paintings > > (poems/paintings/memoir). Syracuse University Press/Iroquois and Their > Neighbors Series, > > 2008 > 47. Gansworth, Eric. From the Western Door to the Lower East Side (poems > in response to > > photographs by Milton Rogovin). White Pine Press, 2009 > > 48. Glancy, Diane. Primer of the Obsolete. University of Massachusetts > Press, 2004 > > 49. Glancy, Diane. Rooms. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2005 > > 50. Gomez, Rain C. Smoked Mullet Cornbread Crawdad Memory. Mongrel Empire > Press, 2012 > > 51. Grover, Linda LeGarde. The Indian at Boarding School (chapbook). > Tribal Writers Chapbook > > Series, Sequoyah National Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2008 > > 52. Harjo, Joy. A Map to the Next World: poems & tales (poems/prose). W. > W. Norton & Company, > > 2000, Hardcover > > 53. Harjo, Joy. A Map to the Next World: poems & tales (poems/prose). W. > W. Norton & Company, > > 2000, Paperback > > 54. Harjo, Joy. How We Became Human: New and Selected Poems 1975-2004. W. > W. Norton & > > Company, 2002, Hardcover (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems > are from prior to 2000, > > included for new section) > > 55. Harjo, Joy. How We Became Human: New and Selected Poems 1975-2004. W. > W. Norton & > > Company, 2004, Paperback (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems > are from prior to 2000, > > included for new section) > > 56. Hedge Coke, Allison. Off-Season City Pipe. Coffee House Press, 2005 > > 57. Hedge Coke, Allison. Blood Run. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2006 UK > 2007 US > > 58. Hedge Coke, Allison. Burn. With Illustrations by Dustin Mater. MadHat > Press, 2014 > > 59. Hedge Coke, Allison. Streaming (with Audio CD). Coffee House Press, > 2014 > > Also edited: > > 60. Hedge Coke, Allison. Effigies II. Hedge Coke. Earthworks/Salt > Publishing, 2014 (four Native > > women poets: dg okpik, Cathy Rexford, Brandy Nalani McDougall, > Mahealani Wendt) > > 61. Hedge Coke, Allison. Sing: Poetry of the Indigenous Americas. Hedge > Coke. University of > > Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2011 (86 Indigenous poets of the > Americas 12 translators, 3 > > associate editors) > > 62. Hedge Coke, Allison. Effigies. Hedge Coke. Earthworks/Salt > Publishing, 2009 (five Native > > women poets: Lara Mann, Ungelbah Davila, Kateri Menominee, Kristi > Leora, Laura Da=92) > > 63. Hedge Coke, Allison. Ahani: Indigenous American Poetry. Hedge Coke. > ToTopos > > International Poetry/Oregon State University, 2006 > > 64. Hedge Coke, Travis. Sing: Poetry of the Indigenous Americas (Associat= e > Editor). Hedge > > Coke, Hedge Coke, et al. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series= , > 2011 (86 Indigenous > > poets of the Americas, 12 translators, 3 associate editors) > > 65. Henry, Gordon. The Failure of Certain Charms: and other disparate > signs of life. > > Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2008 > > 66. Hill, Roberta. Cicadas: New & Selected Poems. Holy Cow! Press, 2013 > (note, the bulk of this > > book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) > > 67. Hoahwah, Sy. Split (chapbook). Inverted Press, University of > Louisiana. 2001 > > 68. Hoahwah, Sy. Black Knife (chapbook). Tribal Writers Chapbook Series, > Sequoyah National > > Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2005 > > 69. Hoahwah, Sy. Velroy and the Madischie Mafia. West End Press, 2009 > Louis Editor, 2008 > > 70. Hoahwah, Sy. Night Cradle. USPOCO Books, 2011 > > 71. Hogan, Linda. Rounding the Human Corners. Coffee House Press, 2008 > > 72. Hogan, Linda. Indios: A Poem...A Performance (chapbook.) Wings Press, > 2013 > > 73. Hogan, Linda. Dark. Sweet. New & Selected Poems. Coffee House Press, > 2014 (note, the bulk of > > this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new > section) > > 74. Howe, LeAnne. Evidence of Red (poems/prose), Earthworks/Salt > Publishing, 2005 > > 75. Jumper, Elgin. Nightfall (chapbook). Tribal Writers Chapbook Series, > Sequoyah National > > Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2006 > > 76. Kalahele, Imaikalani. Kalahele. Kalamaku Press, 2002 > > 77. Kanae, Lisa. Sista Tongue. TinFish Press, 2001 > > 78. Kane, Joan Naviyuk. Hyperboreal. University of Pittsburgh Press/Pitt > Poetry Series, 2013 > > 79. Kane, Joan Naviyuk. The Cormorant Hunter=92s Wife. University of Alas= ka > Press/Alaska Poetry > > Series, 2012 > > 80. Kenny, Maurice. Carving Hawk: New and Selected Poems, 1956-2000. Whit= e > Pine Press, 2002 > > 81. Kenny, Maurice. The Mama Poems. White Pine Press, 2008 > > 83. Kihleng, Emelihter. My Urohs. Kahuaomanoa Press, 2008 > > 84. Lajimodiere, Denise K. Dragonfly Dance. Michigan State University > Press/American Indian > > Studies, 2010 > > 85. Leora, Kristi. Dark Swimming (book inclusion) in Effigies II,Earthwor= ks/Salt Publishing, > > Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2014 > > 86. Littlecrow-Russell, Sara. The Secret Powers of Naming. University of > Arizona Press/Sun > > Tracks Series, 2006 > > 87. Livingston, Chip. Museum of False Starts. Gival Press, 2010 > > 88. Livingston, Chip. Crow-Blue, Crow-Black. NYQ Books, 2012 > > 89. Livingston, Chip. Naming Ceremony. Lethe Press, 2014 > > 90. Long Soldier, Layli. Chromosomory (chapbook). Q Ave Pres, 2010 > > 91. Lopez, Casandra. Brother, Bullet (chapbook). Tribal Writers Chapbook > Series, Sequoyah > > National Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2014 > > 92. Louis, Adrian C. Ancient Acid Flashes Back. University of Nevada > Press, 2000 > > 93. Louis, Adrian C. Bone & Juice. Northwestern University Press, 2001 > > 94. Louis, Adrian C. Evil Corn. Ellis Press, 2004 > > 95. Louis, Adrian C. Deer Dreams (chapbook). Red Dragonfly Press, 2006 > > 96. Louis, Adrian C. Logorrhea. Northwestern University Press, 2006, > Paperback > > 97. Louis, Adrian C. Logorrhea. Northwestern University Press, 2006, > Hardcover > > 98. Louis, Adrian C. Savage Sunsets. West End Press, 2012 > > Also edited: > > 99. Louis, Adrian C. Shedding Skins. Michigan State University Press, > 2008 (with chapbooks by > > four Native men poets) > > 100. Mann, Lara. A Song of Ascents and Descents (book inclusion) in Effig= ies > II, Earthworks/Salt > > Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2014 > > 101. Matejka, Adrian. The Devil=92s Garden. Farmington, ME: Alice James > Books, 2003. Paperback > > 102. Matejka, Adrian. Mixology. New York: Penguin Books, 2009. Paperback > > 103. Matejka, Adrian. The Big Smoke. New York: Penguin Books, 2013. > Paperback > > 104. McAdams, Janet. The Island of Lost Luggage. University of Arizona > Press/First Book Series, > > 2000 > > 105. McAdams, Janet. Feral. Salt Publishing, 2007 > > 106. McDougall, Brandy Nalani. The Salt Wind: Ka Makani Paakai. Kuleana > Oiwi Press, 2008 > > 107. McDougall, Brandy Nalani. Return to the Kula House (chapbook > inclusion) in Effigies, > > Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2009 > > 108. McGlennan, Molly. Fried Fish and Flour Biscuits. Earthworks/Salt > Publishing, 2010 > > 109. McMullin, Dan Taulapapa. A Drag Queen Named Pipi. (Chapbook). > TinFish Press, 2004 > > 110. McMullin, Dan Taulapapa. Coconut Milk. University of Arizona Press, > 2013 > > 111. Menominee, Kateri. In Tongues (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies II,Ea= rthworks/Salt > > Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2014 > > 112. Midge, Tiffany. The Woman Who Married the Bear. Earthworks/Salt > Publishing, 2014 > > 113. Miranda, Deborah A. The Zen of La Llorona. Earthworks/Salt > Publishing, 2005 > > 114. Momaday, N. Scott. In the Bear=92s House (poems, prose, art). > University of New Mexico Press, > > 2010, Hardcover > > 115. Momaday, N. Scott. In the Bear=92s House (poems, prose, art). > University of New Mexico Press, > > 2010, Paperback > > 116. Momaday, N. Scott. Again the Far Morning: New and Selected Poems.Uni= versity of New > > Mexico Press, 2011, Hardcover (note, the bulk of this book, selected > poems are from prior to > > 2000, included for new section) > > 117. Momaday, N. Scott. Again the Far Morning: New and Selected Poems. > University of New > > Mexico Press, 2011, Paperback (note, the bulk of this book, selected > poems are from prior to > > 2000, included for new section) > > 118. Morgan, Phillip Caroll. The Fork-in-the-Road Indian Poetry Store. > Earthworks/Salt > > Publishing, 2006 > > 119. Niatum, Duane. The Crooked Beak of Love. West End Press, 2000 > > 120. Niatum, Duane. The Pull of the Green Kite. Serif & Pixel Press, 2011 > > 121. okpik, dg nanouk. In the Time of Okvik (chapbook inclusion) in > Effigies, Earthworks/Salt > > Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2009 > > 122. okpik, dg nanouk. Corpse Whale. University of Arizona Press/Sun > Tracks Series, 2012 > > 123. Ortiz, Simon. Out There Somewhere. University of Arizona Press/Sun > Tracks Series, 2002 > > 124. Paschen, Elise. Bestiary. Red Hen Press, 2009 > > 125. Pacheco, Steve. Chapbook inclusion in Shedding Skins, Michigan State > University Press, > > Adrian Louis Editor, 2008 > > 126. Perez, Craig Santos. From Unincorporated Territory [Hacha]. Tinfish > Press, 2008 > > 127. Perez, Craig Santos. From Unincorporated Territory [Saina]. > Omnidawn, 2010 > > 128. Perez, Craig Santos. From Unincorporated Territory [Guma]. > Omnidawn, 2014 > > 129. Perez-Wendt, Mahealani. Uluhaimalama. Kuleana Oiwi Press, 2008 > > 130. Perez-Wendt, Mahealani. Papahanaumoku (chapbook inclusion) in > Effigies, > > Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2009 > > 131. Rancourt, Suzanne. Billboard in the Clouds. Curbstone Books, 2004 > > 132. Red Elk, Lois. Our Blood Remembers. Many Voices Press, 2011 > > 133. Revard, Carter. How the Songs Come Down. Earthworks/Salt Publishing. > 2005 > > 134. Revilla, Noukahauoli. Say Throne. (Chapbook). TinFish, 2011 > > 135. Rexford, Cathy Tagnak. Black Ice (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies,Ea= rthworks/Salt > > Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2009 > > 136. Ruiz, Cathy. Stirring Up the Water. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2008 > > 137. Salisbury, Ralph. War in the Genes and other poems. WordTech > Communications, 2006 > > 138. Salisbury, Ralph. Blind Pumper at the Well. Earthworks/Salt > Publishing, 2008 > > 139. Salisbury, Ralph. Light from a Bullet Hole: new and selected poems, > 1950-2008. Silverfish > > Review Press, 2009 (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are fro= m > prior to 2000, > > included for new section) > > 140. Salisbury, Ralph. Like the Sun in Storm. The Habit of Rainy Nights > Press, 2012 > > 141. Savageau, Cheryl. Mother/Land. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2006 > > 142. Shuck, Kim. Smuggling Cherokee. Greenfield Review, 2006 > > 143. Sigo, Cedar. Thank you Letters (chapbook). Angry Dog, 2003 > > 144. Sigo, Cedar. Selected Writings. Ugly Duckling Presse, 2003 > > 145. Sigo, Cedar. Selected Writings (Expanded Second Edition). Ugly > Duckling Presse, 2005 > > 146. Sigo, Cedar. Expensive Magic (chapbook). House Press, 2008 > > 147. Sigo, Cedar. Stranger in Town. City Lights, 2010 > > 148. Sigo, Cedar. Music for Torching(chapbook). Lew Gallery Editions, 201= 0 > > 149. Sigo, Cedar. Plains Pictograph (chapbook). Gasmeter Press, 2013 > > 150. Sigo, Cedar. Language Arts. Wave Books, 2014 > > 151. Sinavaina, Caroline. Alchemies of Distance. Subpress/TinFish, 2002 > > 151. Sinavaina, Caroline. Mohawk/Samoa: Transmigrations (chapbook, > co-written). > > Subpress/TinFish Press 2006 > > 152. Smoker, M. L. Another Attempt at Rescue. Hanging Loose Press, 2005 > > 153. Stevens, James Thomas. Combing the Snakes from His Hair. Michigan > State University Press. > > 2002 > > 154. Stevens, James Thomas. (Dis)Orient (chapbook). Palm Press, 2005 > > 155. Stevens, James Thomas. Mohawk/Samoa: Transmigrations (chapbook, > co-written). > > Subpress, 2005 > > 156. Stevens, James Thomas. Bulle/Chimere (chapbook). First Intensity > Press, 2006 > > 157. Stevens, James Thomas. A Bridge Dead in the Water. Earthworks/Salt > Publishing, 2007 > > 158. Stevens, James Thomas. Of Kingdoms & Kangaroo (chapbook, co-written)= . > First Intensity > > Press, 2008 > > 159. Taitano, Lehua. A Bell Made of Stones. TinFish Press, 2013 > > 160. Takehiro, Sage Uilani. Honua. Kahuaomanoa Press, 2007 > > 161. Tamez, Margo. Raven Eye. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks > Series, 2007 > > 162. Tapahonso, Luci. A Radiant Curve: Poems and Stories. University of > Arizona Press/Sun > > Tracks Series, 2008 > > 163. Tohe, Laura. Tseyi=92/ Deep in the Rock: Reflections of Canyon de > Chelly. University of Arizona > > Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2005 > > 164. Travis, Rebecca Hatcher. Picked Apart the Bones. Chickasaw Press, > 2009 > > 165. Trask, Haunani-Kay. Night is a Shark Skin Drum. University of > Hawai'i Press, 2002 > > 166. Troupe, Quincy. Transcircularities: New and Selected Poems. Coffee > House Press, 2002 > > Hardcover (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior > to 2000, > > included for new section) > > 167. Troupe, Quincy. Transcircularities: New and Selected Poems. Coffee > House Press, 2002 > > Paperback (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior > to 2000, > > included for new section) > > 168. Troupe, Quincy. The Architecture of Language. Coffee House Press, > 2006, Hardcover > > 169. Troupe, Quincy. The Architecture of Language. Coffee House Press, > 2006, Paperback > > 170. Troupe, Quincy. Erran=E7ities. Coffee House Press, 2012, Hardcover > > 171. Troupe, Quincy. Erran=E7ities. Coffee House Press, 2012, Paperback > > 172. Turcotte, Mark. Exploding Chippewas. TriQuarterly. 2002 > > 173. Turner, Doyle D. Time is a Parlor Trick and other poems (chapbook). > Tribal Writers > > Chapbook Series, Sequoyah National Research Center, University of > Arkansas, 2007 > > 174. Vizenor, Gerald. Almost Ashore. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2006 > (note, the bulk of this > > book, selected haikus/poems are from prior to 2000, included for new > section) > > 175. Vizenor, Gerald. Favor of Crows. Wesleyan Press, 2014 (note, the > bulk of this book, selected > > haikus are from prior to 2000, included for new section) > > 176. Wall, Drucilla. The Geese at the Gates. Salmon Poetry, 2011 > > 177. Warm Water, Luke. Chapbook inclusion in Shedding Skins, Michigan > State University Press, > > Adrian Louis Editor, 2008 > > 178. Warren, Steven. While a Hummingbird Sways (chapbook). Tribal Writers > Chapbook Series, > > Sequoyah National Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2011 > > 179. Waters, Joel. Chapbook inclusion in Shedding Skins, Michigan State > University Press, Adrian > > Louis Editor, 2008 > > 180. Westlake, Wayne. Westlake: Poems by Wayne Westlake. University of > Hawai'i Press, 2010 > > 181. White, Orlando. Bone Light. Red Hen Press, 2009 > > 182. Wood, Karenne. Markings on Earth. University of Arizona Press/First > Book Award > > Series, 2001 > > 183. Wurth, Erika. Indian Trains. West End Press, 2007 > > 184. Zepeda, Ofelia. Jewed =91I-hoi/Earth Movements. Paper with Audio CD, > Kore Press, 2005 > > 185. Zepeda, Ofelia. Where Clouds are Formed. University of Arizona > Press/ Suntracks > > Series, 2008 > > > Poetry Anthologies noted above > > (with only Native inclusions and only poetry, no mixed-genre, no student > editions, no self-pub): > > Ahani: Indigenous American Poetry, Hedge Coke, ToTopos International > Poetry/Oregon State > > University, 2006 > > Effigies II, Hedge Coke, Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2014 (four Native > women poets: dg okpik, > > Cathy Rexford, Brandy Nalani McDougall, Mahealani Wendt) > > Effigies, Hedge Coke, Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2009 (five Native women > poets: Lara Mann, > > Ungelbah Davila, Kateri Menominee, Kristi Leora, Laura Da=92) > > Sing: Poetry of the Indigenous Americas, Hedge Coke, Hedge Coke, et al. > University of Arizona > > Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2011 (86 Indigenous poets of the Americas 12 > translators, 3 associate > > editors) > > Shedding Skins, Louis, Michigan State University Press, 2008 (four Native > men poets: Trevino > > Brings Plenty, Joel Waters, Steve Pacheco, Luke Warm Water) > > > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Charles Bernstein < > Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: > >> I am grateful for the many notes posted here in response to the closing = of >> the Poetics List. I want to thank, especially, Amy King, who has kept th= e >> list going for the past years with considerable dedication and effort: h= er >> generosity and acuity is appreciated. There seems considerable interest = in >> starting something new to take up where this list has left off. And it >> must be >> new, to meet the demands of the present. Onward! >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > > > -- > *Allison Hedge Coke* > --=20 *Allison Hedge Coke* =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 01:17:25 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: <20140125005930.798B1DF7F@postscanA.acsu.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This reminds me a bit of the old days. I'm actually reading what everybody= posts=2C because there's a genuine discussion=2C an exchange. Who knew? I neglected to thank Charles in my earlier post=2C as well as everyone else= who has been involved. I think Amy King's tenure as listmod=2C though=2C = has been particularly noteworthy. I think she deserves special thanks=2C w= hether or not you agree with Miekal=97 and I certainly think he has a point= =97 that moderation has not served the list well in the long run. Whether = or not *moderation* is good for the list or not=2C though=2C is an entirely= separate matter from the various moderators themselves. All have been ver= y good=2C but Amy King did it for incredibly long=2C and her tenure seems t= o have been seamless=2C without controversy. (I say 'seems=2C' of course= =2C because I haven't been reading every post=2C like I did in the old days= .) This list=2C clearly=2C has been a special exchange for many of us=2C at le= ast at some time or another=2C and that energy still exists and clearly (no= t just for myself) needs another outlet. I am hoping we can collectively f= igure out how to channel it. I agree with those who said (as I previously = said) that FB is not a good medium for such an exchange. I personally like= the listserv/email technological model=2C but that may not work for most p= eople=2C especially as technology evolves. I agree that the need exists=2C= not just for discussion and exchange of ideas=2C but for basic information= as to what's going on. I never thought that calls for work or publication= announcements were inherently less important than exchange of ideas. Alan= Sondheim usefully points out that for those of us who do not live in NYC o= r=2C perhaps=2C SF=2C the List is a much-needed vehicle to grasp the full s= cope of literary activity in our time=2C much less to figure out where=2C w= hen or if we want to "submit." The fact of moderation has limited the spon= taneity of exchange=2C and as a result exchange itself. Yet it is ALSO tru= e that flamers and narcissists=2C when they arise (and they will=2C eventua= lly) need to quietly and efficiently be moved aside. Can there be spontane= ity within moderation? Can there be collective ways of dealing with the fl= amers which bypass listmods? Who knows? Let the Poetics List 2 begin=2C either through institutional sponsorship or= "under that table=2C" so to speak. (And=2C thinking ecologically=2C I won= der which model would be more sustainable=2C for a generation or more.) Laura Hinton=2C I'm in=97 whatever evolves. What's that Pound line about "commerce between us?" Yours in (poetic) struggle=97 Mark DuCharme Mark DuCharme Miekal's point=2C of course=2C was that > Date: Fri=2C 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500 > From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > =20 > ---------------------- Information from the mail header -----------------= ------ > Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn=2C UB)" > Poster: Murat Nemet-Nejat > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > =20 > I also think a discussion list would be the best way to go. > =20 > Murat > =20 > =20 > On Fri=2C Jan 24=2C 2014 at 6:29 PM=2C Joel Weishaus w= rote: > =20 >> Jim >> >> I just looked at this site=2C and see several people from the Poetics L= ist >> are already involved. >> I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcements better >> than blogs=2C and this looks to me the way to continue this list. >> >> Best Regards=2C >> Joel >> >> -- >> Joel Weishaus >> Artist-in-Residence >> Pacifica Graduate Institute >> 249 Lambert Road >> Carpinteria=2C CA 93013 >> >> Homepage: >> http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >> Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: >> www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM=2C Jim Finnegan wrote: >> >>> Thanks to Charles=2C all the moderators=2C and the members... >>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List=2C but if you're interested = in >>> subbing to NewPoetry=2C here's the link... >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> Jim Finnegan >>> >>> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 04:00:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: thinking about Poetics, decoupling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The Attribute http://www.alansondheim.org/attribute.mp4 history and decoupling Thank you Charles and everyone! ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:08:11 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: lists In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Self-moderation among adults could go a long way, mIEKAL aND, on the other hand, besides being "OLD" since the beginning, how many adults are around here? I logically wanted to write the opposite, since your mail invited for a "let it go free". The mysteries of writing. On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:47 AM, mIEKAL aND wrote: > a hybrid interface of facebook/twitter/blog/listserv would involve a bit > more design but in the end could operate effortlessly. the real question = is > moderation or no moderation.' > > ~mIEKAL > > > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:42 PM, jim andrews wrote: > >> Say what you will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages over >> lists. Though I would like to see something better emerge that people > will >> use as widely. >> >> One of the advantages is that you don't have to get information from >> people who bore you. You can just block their posts. I know lots of poe= ts >> don't like that idea, of people being able to easily block others from >> their info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing. A list is like bei= ng >> in one single room with everyone subscribed to the list. It gets old in= a >> hurry. Windbags get at least equal time with more interesting folks. >> >> The Facebook options on what information you get and to whom you send > info >> are much more granular than list options. Those sorts of options are >> important, and they never materialized in listserv software. Lists > needed a >> more contemporary architecture of the group, of discussion, and of the >> missive concerning who receives it based on permissions. >> >> ja >> http://vispo.com >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Dott.ssa Anny Ballardini, MFA, PhD. http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche =AB Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae =BB Giovenale Professionista di cui alla Legge n. 4 del 14 gennaio 2013, pubblicata nella GU n. 22 del 26/01/2013 Freiberuflerin laut Gesetz Nr. 4 vom 14. J=E4nner 2013, ver=F6ffentlicht im Amtsblatt Nr. 22 vom 26.1.2013 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:08:56 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: Onward! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But it has resurrected! On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Mairead Byrne wrote: > Amy is a force of nature, as are you, Charles. > Thank you both, and all moderators and generous contributors. > I think Jonathan said it best, with poetry (for a shaky second I thought = he > had actually *just written that!*). > It's great to see the energy being picked up too. > The list has died! Long live the list! > Mair=E9ad > > Professor of Poetry + Poetics > Department of Literary Arts + Studies > Division of Liberal Arts > Rhode Island School of Design > 2 College Street > Providence, RI 02903 > > > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Charles Bernstein < > Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: > >> I am grateful for the many notes posted here in response to the closing > of >> the Poetics List. I want to thank, especially, Amy King, who has kept t= he >> list going for the past years with considerable dedication and effort: > her >> generosity and acuity is appreciated. There seems considerable interest > in >> starting something new to take up where this list has left off. And it >> must be >> new, to meet the demands of the present. Onward! >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Dott.ssa Anny Ballardini, MFA, PhD. http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche =AB Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae =BB Giovenale Professionista di cui alla Legge n. 4 del 14 gennaio 2013, pubblicata nella GU n. 22 del 26/01/2013 Freiberuflerin laut Gesetz Nr. 4 vom 14. J=E4nner 2013, ver=F6ffentlicht im Amtsblatt Nr. 22 vom 26.1.2013 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:13:47 -0500 Reply-To: tyrone williams Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: tyrone williams Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Though I've been more a lurker than active participant I agree with Alan, M= ark et al that Charles' and Amy's work has been especially useful for those= of us outside the major media centers in North America. And I too am in fo= r whatever evolves as PL 2.0. Tyrone -----Original Message----- > From: Mark > Sent: Jan 25, 2014 3:17 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > This reminds me a bit of the old days. I'm actually reading what everybod= y posts, because there's a genuine discussion, an exchange. Who knew? > > I neglected to thank Charles in my earlier post, as well as everyone else = who has been involved. I think Amy King's tenure as listmod, though, has b= een particularly noteworthy. I think she deserves special thanks, whether = or not you agree with Miekal=E2=80=94 and I certainly think he has a point= =E2=80=94 that moderation has not served the list well in the long run. Wh= ether or not *moderation* is good for the list or not, though, is an entire= ly separate matter from the various moderators themselves. All have been v= ery good, but Amy King did it for incredibly long, and her tenure seems to = have been seamless, without controversy. (I say 'seems,' of course, becaus= e I haven't been reading every post, like I did in the old days.) > > This list, clearly, has been a special exchange for many of us, at least a= t some time or another, and that energy still exists and clearly (not just = for myself) needs another outlet. I am hoping we can collectively figure o= ut how to channel it. I agree with those who said (as I previously said) t= hat FB is not a good medium for such an exchange. I personally like the li= stserv/email technological model, but that may not work for most people, es= pecially as technology evolves. I agree that the need exists, not just for= discussion and exchange of ideas, but for basic information as to what's g= oing on. I never thought that calls for work or publication announcements = were inherently less important than exchange of ideas. Alan Sondheim usefu= lly points out that for those of us who do not live in NYC or, perhaps, SF,= the List is a much-needed vehicle to grasp the full scope of literary acti= vity in our time, much less to figure out where, when or if we want to "sub= mit." The fact of moderation has limited the spontaneity of exchange, and = as a result exchange itself. Yet it is ALSO true that flamers and narcissi= sts, when they arise (and they will, eventually) need to quietly and effici= ently be moved aside. Can there be spontaneity within moderation? Can the= re be collective ways of dealing with the flamers which bypass listmods? W= ho knows? > > Let the Poetics List 2 begin, either through institutional sponsorship or = "under that table," so to speak. (And, thinking ecologically, I wonder whi= ch model would be more sustainable, for a generation or more.) > > Laura Hinton, I'm in=E2=80=94 whatever evolves. > > What's that Pound line about "commerce between us?" > > Yours in (poetic) struggle=E2=80=94 > > > Mark DuCharme > > > Mark DuCharme > > Miekal's point, of course, was that > >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500 >> From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM >> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> =20 >> ---------------------- Information from the mail header ----------------= ------- >> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" >> Poster: Murat Nemet-Nejat >> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- >> =20 >> I also think a discussion list would be the best way to go. >> =20 >> Murat >> =20 >> =20 >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Joel Weishaus wrote: >> =20 >>> Jim >>> >>> I just looked at this site, and see several people from the Poetics Li= st >>> are already involved. >>> I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcements bette= r >>> than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this list. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Joel >>> >>> -- >>> Joel Weishaus >>> Artist-in-Residence >>> Pacifica Graduate Institute >>> 249 Lambert Road >>> Carpinteria, CA 93013 >>> >>> Homepage: >>> http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >>> Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: >>> www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >>>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're interested i= n >>>> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> Jim Finnegan >>>> >>>> >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.ht= ml >>> >> =20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideli= nes & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =09=09 =09 =09=09 =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideline= s & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html Tyrone Williams =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 09:24:44 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: lists In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Obviously, I'm a fan of the most minimal moderation possible, but poetry and logorrhea seem to go hand in hand. Quite frankly it's a bit of delight to see all these all posting their fond farewells, I had no idea so many of these folks were still subscribed since a lot of them haven't posted in years. Digital community is the real work=97takes attention and care. And restraint. ~mIEKAL On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Self-moderation among adults could go a long way, mIEKAL aND, on the othe= r > hand, besides being "OLD" since the beginning, how many adults are around > here? > > I logically wanted to write the opposite, since your mail invited for a > "let it go free". The mysteries of writing. > > > > > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:47 AM, mIEKAL aND wrote= : > >> a hybrid interface of facebook/twitter/blog/listserv would involve a bi= t >> more design but in the end could operate effortlessly. the real questio= n > is >> moderation or no moderation.' >> >> ~mIEKAL >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:42 PM, jim andrews wrote: >> >>> Say what you will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages ove= r >>> lists. Though I would like to see something better emerge that people >> will >>> use as widely. >>> >>> One of the advantages is that you don't have to get information from >>> people who bore you. You can just block their posts. I know lots of > poets >>> don't like that idea, of people being able to easily block others fro= m >>> their info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing. A list is like > being >>> in one single room with everyone subscribed to the list. It gets old > in a >>> hurry. Windbags get at least equal time with more interesting folks. >>> >>> The Facebook options on what information you get and to whom you send >> info >>> are much more granular than list options. Those sorts of options are >>> important, and they never materialized in listserv software. Lists >> needed a >>> more contemporary architecture of the group, of discussion, and of th= e >>> missive concerning who receives it based on permissions. >>> >>> ja >>> http://vispo.com >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > > > -- > Dott.ssa Anny Ballardini, MFA, PhD. > > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > =AB Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae =BB > Giovenale > > Professionista di cui alla Legge n. 4 del 14 gennaio 2013, pubblicata nel= la > GU n. 22 del 26/01/2013 > > Freiberuflerin laut Gesetz Nr. 4 vom 14. J=E4nner 2013, ver=F6ffentlicht = im > Amtsblatt Nr. 22 vom 26.1.2013 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 09:33:56 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Marc Thompson Subject: Re: Oh, Moderation Definitely! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Very poetic, Jesse. And true. Marc Thompson On Jan 25, 2014 8:51 AM, "Jesse Glass" wrote: > Sometimes those lonely poets start howling at the moon. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 11:12:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: lists In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable mIEKAL, aren't Lists part of the digital world, though in a "primitive," what Chris calls prehistoric sort of way? Jim believes, I think, that if technology enable something to be done digitally, then it should be done. Murat On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:24 AM, mIEKAL aND wrote: > Obviously, I'm a fan of the most minimal moderation possible, but poetry > and logorrhea seem to go hand in hand. Quite frankly it's a bit of delig= ht > to see all these all posting their fond farewells, I had no idea so many = of > these folks were still subscribed since a lot of them haven't posted in > years. Digital community is the real work--takes attention and care. An= d > restraint. > > ~mIEKAL > > > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Anny Ballardini > wrote: > >> Self-moderation among adults could go a long way, mIEKAL aND, on the > other >> hand, besides being "OLD" since the beginning, how many adults are arou= nd >> here? >> >> I logically wanted to write the opposite, since your mail invited for a >> "let it go free". The mysteries of writing. >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:47 AM, mIEKAL aND > wrote: >> >>> a hybrid interface of facebook/twitter/blog/listserv would involve a > bit >>> more design but in the end could operate effortlessly. the real > question >> is >>> moderation or no moderation.' >>> >>> ~mIEKAL >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:42 PM, jim andrews wrote: >>> >>>> Say what you will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages > over >>>> lists. Though I would like to see something better emerge that peop= le >>> will >>>> use as widely. >>>> >>>> One of the advantages is that you don't have to get information fro= m >>>> people who bore you. You can just block their posts. I know lots of >> poets >>>> don't like that idea, of people being able to easily block others > from >>>> their info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing. A list is like >> being >>>> in one single room with everyone subscribed to the list. It gets ol= d >> in a >>>> hurry. Windbags get at least equal time with more interesting folks= . >>>> >>>> The Facebook options on what information you get and to whom you se= nd >>> info >>>> are much more granular than list options. Those sorts of options ar= e >>>> important, and they never materialized in listserv software. Lists >>> needed a >>>> more contemporary architecture of the group, of discussion, and of > the >>>> missive concerning who receives it based on permissions. >>>> >>>> ja >>>> http://vispo.com >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dott.ssa Anny Ballardini, MFA, PhD. >> >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> << Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae >> >> Giovenale >> >> Professionista di cui alla Legge n. 4 del 14 gennaio 2013, pubblicata > nella >> GU n. 22 del 26/01/2013 >> >> Freiberuflerin laut Gesetz Nr. 4 vom 14. J=E4nner 2013, ver=F6ffentlich= t im >> Amtsblatt Nr. 22 vom 26.1.2013 >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 11:54:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) Comments: To: tyrone williams In-Reply-To: <8278610.1390662828226.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Mark, I think by "moderation" mIEKAL meant not a moderator, but the imposition of restraint. I agree with mIEKAL that moderation served us badly. At the end, while it helped the List survive as a central posting medium to announce poetry events and publications, it resulted in the atrophy of the List as a forum for heated intellectual exchange. Murat On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:13 AM, tyrone williams wr= ote: > Though I've been more a lurker than active participant I agree with Alan, > Mark et al that Charles' and Amy's work has been especially useful for > those of us outside the major media centers in North America. And I too a= m > in for whatever evolves as PL 2.0. > > > Tyrone > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark >> Sent: Jan 25, 2014 3:17 AM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >> >> This reminds me a bit of the old days. I'm actually reading what > everybody posts, because there's a genuine discussion, an exchange. Who > knew? >> >> I neglected to thank Charles in my earlier post, as well as everyone els= e > who has been involved. I think Amy King's tenure as listmod, though, has > been particularly noteworthy. I think she deserves special thanks, wheth= er > or not you agree with Miekal=97 and I certainly think he has a point=97 t= hat > moderation has not served the list well in the long run. Whether or not > *moderation* is good for the list or not, though, is an entirely separate > matter from the various moderators themselves. All have been very good, > but Amy King did it for incredibly long, and her tenure seems to have bee= n > seamless, without controversy. (I say 'seems,' of course, because I > haven't been reading every post, like I did in the old days.) >> >> This list, clearly, has been a special exchange for many of us, at least > at some time or another, and that energy still exists and clearly (not ju= st > for myself) needs another outlet. I am hoping we can collectively figure > out how to channel it. I agree with those who said (as I previously said= ) > that FB is not a good medium for such an exchange. I personally like the > listserv/email technological model, but that may not work for most people= , > especially as technology evolves. I agree that the need exists, not just > for discussion and exchange of ideas, but for basic information as to > what's going on. I never thought that calls for work or publication > announcements were inherently less important than exchange of ideas. Ala= n > Sondheim usefully points out that for those of us who do not live in NYC > or, perhaps, SF, the List is a much-needed vehicle to grasp the full scop= e > of literary activity in our time, much less to figure out where, when or = if > we want to "submit." The fact of moderation has limited the spontaneity = of > exchange, and as a result exchange itself. Yet it is ALSO true that > flamers and narcissists, when they arise (and they will, eventually) need > to quietly and efficiently be moved aside. Can there be spontaneity with= in > moderation? Can there be collective ways of dealing with the flamers whi= ch > bypass listmods? Who knows? >> >> Let the Poetics List 2 begin, either through institutional sponsorship o= r > "under that table," so to speak. (And, thinking ecologically, I wonder > which model would be more sustainable, for a generation or more.) >> >> Laura Hinton, I'm in=97 whatever evolves. >> >> What's that Pound line about "commerce between us?" >> >> Yours in (poetic) struggle=97 >> >> >> Mark DuCharme >> >> >> Mark DuCharme >> >> Miekal's point, of course, was that >> >>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500 >>> From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM >>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> >>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header > ----------------------- >>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" >>> Poster: Murat Nemet-Nejat >>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ >>> >>> I also think a discussion list would be the best way to go. >>> >>> Murat >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Joel Weishaus > wrote: >>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> I just looked at this site, and see several people from the Poetics > List >>>> are already involved. >>>> I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcements > better >>>> than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this list. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Joel >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Joel Weishaus >>>> Artist-in-Residence >>>> Pacifica Graduate Institute >>>> 249 Lambert Road >>>> Carpinteria, CA 93013 >>>> >>>> Homepage: >>>> http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >>>> Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: >>>> www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >>>>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're interested > in >>>>> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>> >>>>> Jim Finnegan >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > Tyrone Williams > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 11:57:40 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: thinking about Poetics, decoupling In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Alan, wonderful piece. Thank you. Murat On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:00 AM, Alan Sondheim wrote: > The Attribute > > http://www.alansondheim.org/attribute.mp4 > > history and decoupling > > > Thank you Charles and everyone! > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 11:59:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: What will be missed--Sign me Up! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Count me in too. Murat On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Jesse Glass wrote: > Me too! Sign me up! Jess > > On 1/24/2014, "Marc Thompson" wrote: > >> Sign me up! >> >> Marc Thompson >> On Jan 24, 2014 4:38 PM, "Laura Hinton" wrote: >> >>> Count me in on this project. I love Wordpress � the only > problem I've had >>> is dealing with a volume of users on a given site (ie., students), but > it >>> sounds like your server can handle that. I've used Wordpress now many >>> times; the free software is clean to use and it can look great. And I >>> agree with Alan that Facebook has all those problems. >>> >>> I'm looking forward to working with you, Francesco. Poetics List 2 >>> everyone? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Francesco Levato >>> wrote: >>> >>>> In response to Laura Hinton and others wanting to continue the >>>> conversation. I >>>> too am in support of trying to continue the list in another format, > and >>>> the idea of >>>> a Wordpress based discussion forum could work well. There are server > load >>>> issues with the email format of a list serv in that most server > accounts >>>> have a >>>> limit on the number of emails that can be sent per hour, so a list > like >>>> this could >>>> potentially overwhelm such an account (university or corporate server >>>> accounts >>>> don't have these restrictions, but are also expensive). So, a > Wordpress >>>> hosted >>>> discussion forum, without the mass email sending requirements might > be a >>>> solution to this. It would need to be hosted on its own server (not at >>>> Wordpres.com) so that we could customize as needed (maybe have > category >>>> filters so you can look for discussions, calls for work, etc.). I > could >>>> host it on the >>>> Chicago School of Poetics site, but I'd like to see if there is any >>>> interest in this >>>> first as it would be some work to set up. >>>> >>>> Also, you can back channel me at: poet@francescolevato.com >>>> >>>> Many thanks to Charles and all the moderators for providing this >>> resource. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Francesco >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:23:53 -0500, Brian Clements < > ClementsB@WCSU.EDU> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please add my appreciation of Charles and the list managers to all of >>> the >>>> collected expressions thus far. No future representation of poetry and >>>> poetics of >>>> the last 20 years will be sufficient without taking into account the >>>> community, >>>> activity, and influence of the Poetics list. >>>>> >>>>> As for ways to carry forward (re: Laura Hinton and others), I would >>> think >>>> that >>>> an invitation-only blog (through Wordpress, for example) would work >>>> similarly to >>>> this listserv, though I'm not sure a digest option would be possible. >>>>> >>>>> With gratitude, >>>>> Brian Clements >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf >>>> Of Laura Hinton [laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM] >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:25 AM >>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>> Subject: What will be missed � >>>>> >>>>> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual >>>> space >>>>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language >>> and/or >>>>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such >>> lists >>>>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, > many >>>> of >>>>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>>>> >>>>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has >>> provided >>>>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for > posting >>>>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific > audience. >>>>> >>>>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and >>> pulse. >>>>> >>>>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this >>>> function >>>>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >>>>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how > this >>>>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >>>>> available? Any volunteers?) >>>>> >>>>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >>>>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I > don't >>>>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate > these >>>>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>>>> >>>>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >>>>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, > even a >>>>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>>>> >>>>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for > on-going >>>>> discussion: >>>>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>>>> >>>>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being > on a >>>>> potential list: >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>>>> >>>>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>>>> >>>>> Best to all, >>>>> Laura >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Laura Hinton >>>>> Professor of English >>>>> City College of New York >>>>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>>>> New York, New York 10031 >>>>> >>>>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>>>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>>>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >>>> Circe* >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & >>>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & >>>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Laura Hinton >>> Professor of English >>> City College of New York >>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>> New York, New York 10031 >>> >>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>> >>> >>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >>> Circe* >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:19:42 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: future Poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Someone should consolidate the various proposals put forward, and if she or he can put a structure in place quickly, please announce, so that the list population could sign up. Otherwise you might not be able to reach all the folks who would benefit from the transfer. Thanks, Alan == email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt == ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:46:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Martha Mims In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) I agree. A wordpress site would be great for the list, better than a Faceboo= k page. That's why I offered to host at first. But I have limited resources,= so I certainly don't covet the hosting part... I could help a little on the wordpress side of things. Since everyone would h= ave the option to subscribe to particular threads, moderation might not be a= s necessary as it was perceived to be in the list format. Those who like a l= ist, could still get their list in an email. All those presently on the list could be sent a one time invitation to join t= he new one, if Charles would be comfortable with that. > On Jan 24, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Francesco Levato w= rote: > =20 > In response to Laura Hinton and others wanting to continue the conversatio= n. I=20 > too am in support of trying to continue the list in another format, and th= e idea of=20 > a Wordpress based discussion forum could work well. There are server load=20= > issues with the email format of a list serv in that most server accounts h= ave a=20 > limit on the number of emails that can be sent per hour, so a list like th= is could=20 > potentially overwhelm such an account (university or corporate server acco= unts=20 > don't have these restrictions, but are also expensive). So, a Wordpress ho= sted=20 > discussion forum, without the mass email sending requirements might be a=20= > solution to this. It would need to be hosted on its own server (not at=20 > Wordpres.com) so that we could customize as needed (maybe have category=20= > filters so you can look for discussions, calls for work, etc.). I could ho= st it on the=20 > Chicago School of Poetics site, but I'd like to see if there is any intere= st in this=20 > first as it would be some work to set up. > =20 > Also, you can back channel me at: poet@francescolevato.com > =20 > Many thanks to Charles and all the moderators for providing this resource.= > =20 > Best, > Francesco > =20 > =20 > On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:23:53 -0500, Brian Clements =20= > wrote: > =20 >> Please add my appreciation of Charles and the list managers to all of the= > collected expressions thus far. No future representation of poetry and poe= tics of=20 > the last 20 years will be sufficient without taking into account the commu= nity,=20 > activity, and influence of the Poetics list.=20 >> =20 >> As for ways to carry forward (re: Laura Hinton and others), I would think= that > an invitation-only blog (through Wordpress, for example) would work simila= rly to=20 > this listserv, though I'm not sure a digest option would be possible.=20 >> =20 >> With gratitude, >> Brian Clements >> ________________________________________ >> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf > Of Laura Hinton [laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM] >> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:25 AM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: What will be missed =E2=80=A6 >> =20 >> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual spa= ce >> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/or= >> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such lists= >> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, many o= f >> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >> =20 >> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has provide= d >> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >> =20 >> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and pulse= . >> =20 >> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this functi= on >> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >> available? Any volunteers?) >> =20 >> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't >> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate these >> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >> =20 >> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a >> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >> =20 >> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-going >> discussion: >> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >> =20 >> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a >> potential list: >> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >> =20 >> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >> =20 >> Best to all, >> Laura >> =20 >> =20 >> -- >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> =20 >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> =20 >> =20 >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- Cir= ce* >> =20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> =20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideline= s & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:49:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Peter ciccariello Subject: Re: lists In-Reply-To: <4B30A9AD-0C26-45A6-A62A-B0623ECAE53E@vispo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am an active administrator in several Facebook pages, most function with minimal moderation overseen by 3 or 4 admins. They seem to work pretty seamlessly with the occasional outbursts of course. On the positive side, they can be set up in a matter of minutes and can be migrated to different platforms at a moment's notice if necessary. Coordinating the page with Twitter and other sites is a real plus. All in all I think it is fabulous that people want to see the idea survive. - Peter On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:42 PM, jim andrews wrote: > Say what you will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages over > lists. Though I would like to see something better emerge that people will > use as widely. > > One of the advantages is that you don't have to get information from > people who bore you. You can just block their posts. I know lots of poets > don't like that idea, of people being able to easily block others from > their info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing. A list is like being > in one single room with everyone subscribed to the list. It gets old in a > hurry. Windbags get at least equal time with more interesting folks. > > The Facebook options on what information you get and to whom you send info > are much more granular than list options. Those sorts of options are > important, and they never materialized in listserv software. Lists needed a > more contemporary architecture of the group, of discussion, and of the > missive concerning who receives it based on permissions. > > ja > http://vispo.com > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- New work gallery - http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ Poetry and writing - http://poemsfromprovidence.blogspot.com/ You can find my art and writing updates on Twitter https://twitter.com/ciccariello ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:06:12 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: future Poetics In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan; As said; http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry This list is sponsored by several people from the Poetics List. I just joined. Best, Joel On 1/25/2014 9:19 AM, Alan Sondheim wrote: > Someone should consolidate the various proposals put forward, and if > she or he can put a structure in place quickly, please announce, so > that the list population could sign up. Otherwise you might not be > able to reach all the folks who would benefit from the transfer. > > Thanks, Alan > > > ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:22:22 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: jim andrews Subject: Re: lists In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Facebook or on a blog or whatever, posts can be moderated by the = 'owner' of the discussion. On Facebook, that's whomever's wall the = discussion originates on. The role of moderator is decentralized. Rather = than one big moderator there are as many as there are discussions. I = think that's quite a useful model. Having no moderators at all is not an = option for most serious forums. ja http://vispo.com=20 http://netartery.vispo.com RECENT ALEPH NULL http://vispo.com/aleph Interactive generative color-music instrument (HTML5) SELF PORTRAITS http://vispo.com/dbcinema/selfportrait2 http://vispo.com/dbcinema/selfportrait3 Generated with the use of my graphic synthesizer dbCinema. These self = portraits were commissioned by the Surrey Art Gallery in Vancouver. They = consist of a dbcinemation of 47 photos of me from age 0 to now. Elements of Google+, like the=20 On 2014-01-24, at 4:47 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote: > a hybrid interface of facebook/twitter/blog/listserv would involve a = bit > more design but in the end could operate effortlessly. the real = question is > moderation or no moderation.' > =20 > ~mIEKAL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 18:50:19 GMT Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "skyplums@juno.com" Subject: Re: Oh, Moderation Definitely! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 howling at the moon a great book by the great modern poet hagiwara sakta= garo psrdon my spelling translated by hiroaki sato ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Marc Thompson To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Oh, Moderation Definitely! Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 09:33:56 -0600 Very poetic, Jesse. And true. Marc Thompson On Jan 25, 2014 8:51 AM, "Jesse Glass" wrote: > Sometimes those lonely poets start howling at the moon. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.ht= ml > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideli= nes & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 18:47:24 GMT Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "skyplums@juno.com" Subject: Re: future Poetics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i agree it's funny however that over the years posts have considerably d= eclined and when we were asked not to post any more poetry alan stepped = up with the wryting list - so why now folks are going thru such withdraw= al is very interesting - we all do need places to post our activities a= nd books etc and outrages and opinions as well but i'm sure if it doesn= 't happen we'll get over it - it's not a be all end all but i do underst= and why those in isolation need it = ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Alan Sondheim To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: future Poetics Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:19:42 -0500 Someone should consolidate the various proposals put forward, and if she= = or he can put a structure in place quickly, please announce, so that the= = list population could sign up. Otherwise you might not be able to reach = = all the folks who would benefit from the transfer. Thanks, Alan =3D=3D email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideli= nes & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 16:01:20 -0500 Reply-To: Mark Weiss Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: future Poetics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All of the lists that I'm on have declined in traffic or interest, becoming more bulletin boards than anything else. I suspect that Facebook has largely replaced them. -----Original Message----- > From: "skyplums@juno.com" > Sent: Jan 25, 2014 1:47 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: future Poetics > > i agree it's funny however that over the years posts have considerably declined and when we were asked not to post any more poetry alan stepped up with the wryting list - so why now folks are going thru such withdrawal is very interesting - we all do need places to post our activities and books etc and outrages and opinions as well but i'm sure if it doesn't happen we'll get over it - it's not a be all end all but i do understand why those in isolation need it > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Alan Sondheim > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: future Poetics > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:19:42 -0500 > > Someone should consolidate the various proposals put forward, and if she > or he can put a structure in place quickly, please announce, so that the > list population could sign up. Otherwise you might not be able to reach > all the folks who would benefit from the transfer. > > Thanks, Alan > > > > > > == > email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 > music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt > == > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 13:02:44 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: jim andrews Subject: Re: lists In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, Murat, that's not what I believe. ja http://vispo.com=20 http://netartery.vispo.com ALEPH NULL http://vispo.com/aleph Interactive generative color-music instrument (HTML5) SELF PORTRAITS http://vispo.com/dbcinema/selfportrait2 http://vispo.com/dbcinema/selfportrait3 Generated with the use of my graphic synthesizer dbCinema. These self = portraits were commissioned by the Surrey Art Gallery in Vancouver. They = consist of a dbcinemation of 47 photos of me from age 0 to now. On 2014-01-25, at 8:12 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > mIEKAL, aren't Lists part of the digital world, though in a = "primitive," > what Chris calls prehistoric sort of way? Jim believes, I think, that = if > technology enable something to be done digitally, then it should be = done. > =20 > Murat > =20 > =20 > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:24 AM, mIEKAL aND = wrote: > =20 >> Obviously, I'm a fan of the most minimal moderation possible, but = poetry >> and logorrhea seem to go hand in hand. Quite frankly it's a bit of = delight >> to see all these all posting their fond farewells, I had no idea so = many of >> these folks were still subscribed since a lot of them haven't posted = in >> years. Digital community is the real work--takes attention and care. = And >> restraint. >> =20 >> ~mIEKAL >> =20 >> =20 >> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Anny Ballardini >> wrote: >> =20 >>> Self-moderation among adults could go a long way, mIEKAL aND, on the >> other >>> hand, besides being "OLD" since the beginning, how many adults are = around >>> here? >>> =20 >>> I logically wanted to write the opposite, since your mail invited = for a >>> "let it go free". The mysteries of writing. >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:47 AM, mIEKAL aND >> wrote: >>> =20 >>>> a hybrid interface of facebook/twitter/blog/listserv would involve = a >> bit >>>> more design but in the end could operate effortlessly. the real >> question >>> is >>>> moderation or no moderation.' >>>> =20 >>>> ~mIEKAL >>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:42 PM, jim andrews wrote: >>>> =20 >>>>> Say what you will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages >> over >>>>> lists. Though I would like to see something better emerge that = people >>>> will >>>>> use as widely. >>>>> =20 >>>>> One of the advantages is that you don't have to get information = from >>>>> people who bore you. You can just block their posts. I know lots = of >>> poets >>>>> don't like that idea, of people being able to easily block others >> from >>>>> their info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing. A list is = like >>> being >>>>> in one single room with everyone subscribed to the list. It gets = old >>> in a >>>>> hurry. Windbags get at least equal time with more interesting = folks. >>>>> =20 >>>>> The Facebook options on what information you get and to whom you = send >>>> info >>>>> are much more granular than list options. Those sorts of options = are >>>>> important, and they never materialized in listserv software. Lists >>>> needed a >>>>> more contemporary architecture of the group, of discussion, and of >> the >>>>> missive concerning who receives it based on permissions. >>>>> =20 >>>>> ja >>>>> http://vispo.com >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> -- >>> Dott.ssa Anny Ballardini, MFA, PhD. >>> =20 >>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome >>> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >>> =20 >>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a = dancing >>> star! >>> Friedrich Nietzsche >>> =20 >>> << Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >>> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae >> >>> Giovenale >>> =20 >>> Professionista di cui alla Legge n. 4 del 14 gennaio 2013, = pubblicata >> nella >>> GU n. 22 del 26/01/2013 >>> =20 >>> Freiberuflerin laut Gesetz Nr. 4 vom 14. J=E4nner 2013, = ver=F6ffentlicht im >>> Amtsblatt Nr. 22 vom 26.1.2013 >>> =20 >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: = http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> =20 >> =20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: = http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> =20 > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 16:30:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Millicent Borges Accardi Subject: Re: future Poetics Comments: To: junction@earthlink.net In-Reply-To: <32183196.1390683680546.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I think it is true that Facebook has largely replaced "lists," but the qual= ity of discussions has not been as good.=20 For many many years Poetics and WomPo were my lifeline, and I miss the lite= rary discussions and even the fights we used to have. The back and forth wa= s sustained over long periods and I used to love reading about a thread for= days and perhaps weeks on end. I met like-minded folks and, for me, it fil= led the gap between when I finished grad school in 93 and was thrust out in= to the 'real world" where I often had to take mindless day jobs just to get= by. Thank you for this list! I was sometimes an avid participant and other time= s a lurker but always grateful for its existence. Millicent http://www.MillicentBorgesAccardi.com Like my Facebook Page @TopangaHippie on Twitter =C3=81gua mole em pedra dura tanto d=C3=A1 at=C3=A9 que fura -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss To: POETICS Sent: Sat, Jan 25, 2014 1:25 pm Subject: Re: future Poetics All of the lists that I'm on have declined in traffic or interest, becoming= more=20 bulletin boards than anything else. I suspect that Facebook has largely rep= laced=20 them. -----Original Message----- > From: "skyplums@juno.com" > Sent: Jan 25, 2014 1:47 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: future Poetics > > i agree it's funny however that over the years posts have considerably dec= lined=20 and when we were asked not to post any more poetry alan stepped up with the= =20 wryting list - so why now folks are going thru such withdrawal is very=20 interesting - we all do need places to post our activities and books etc = and=20 outrages and opinions as well but i'm sure if it doesn't happen we'll get o= ver=20 it - it's not a be all end all but i do understand why those in isolation n= eed=20 it=20 > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Alan Sondheim > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: future Poetics > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:19:42 -0500 > > Someone should consolidate the various proposals put forward, and if she= =20 > or he can put a structure in place quickly, please announce, so that the= =20 > list population could sign up. Otherwise you might not be able to reach=20 > all the folks who would benefit from the transfer. > > Thanks, Alan > > > > > > =3D=3D > email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 > music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt > =3D=3D > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideline= s &=20 sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please = do=20 not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available a= t=20 http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception:=20 Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the= =20 Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be inform= ed of=20 such options. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please d= o not=20 post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at=20 http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception:=20 Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the= =20 Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be inform= ed of=20 such options. =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 16:35:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Francesco Levato Subject: New discussion board in progress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I'm working on an initial run of a discussion board that incorporates som= e of the=20 ideas brought up so far. Sorry for my absence after my initial post, but = it's taken=20 a bit to set this up. I should have a link ready to post to ugh new discu= ssion=20 board later today and I'll post that along with some additional thoughts = on the=20 project.=20 To those of you who have expressed interest in helping, thank you, I coul= d use=20 it. We'll definitely need moderators, so please back channel me at=20 poet@francescolevato.com if you're interested. Best, Francesco =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 21:50:36 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Seaman Subject: Re: lists In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I enjoyed the contacts, which led to rich collaborations, and liked seeing= the notices of readings, even though as a Savannah Georgia resident I cou= ld never go to the New York listings.=0A=0A=0AOn Jan 25, 2014, at 04:02 PM= , jim andrews wrote:=0A=0ANo, Murat, that's not what I bel= ieve.=0A=0Aja=0Ahttp://vispo.com =0Ahttp://netartery.vispo.com=0A=0AALEPH = NULL=0Ahttp://vispo.com/aleph=0AInteractive generative color-music instrum= ent (HTML5)=0A=0ASELF PORTRAITS=0Ahttp://vispo.com/dbcinema/selfportrait2=0A= http://vispo.com/dbcinema/selfportrait3=0AGenerated with the use of my gra= phic synthesizer dbCinema. These self portraits were commissioned by the S= urrey Art Gallery in Vancouver. They consist of a dbcinemation of 47 photo= s of me from age 0 to now.=0A=0A=0AOn 2014-01-25, at 8:12 AM, Murat Nemet-= Nejat wrote:=0A=0AmIEKAL, aren't Lists part of the dig= ital world, though in a "primitive,"=0Awhat Chris calls prehistoric sort o= f way? Jim believes, I think, that if=0Atechnology enable something to be = done digitally, then it should be done.=0AMurat=0AOn Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at = 10:24 AM, mIEKAL aND wrote:=0AObviously, I'm a fan= of the most minimal moderation possible, but poetry=0Aand logorrhea seem = to go hand in hand. Quite frankly it's a bit of delight=0Ato see all these= all posting their fond farewells, I had no idea so many of=0Athese folks = were still subscribed since a lot of them haven't posted in=0Ayears. Digit= al community is the real work--takes attention and care. And=0Arestraint.=0A= ~mIEKAL=0AOn Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Anny Ballardini=0Awrote:=0ASelf-moderation among adults could go a long way, m= IEKAL aND, on the=0Aother=0Ahand, besides being "OLD" since the beginning,= how many adults are around=0Ahere?=0AI logically wanted to write the oppo= site, since your mail invited for a=0A"let it go free". The mysteries of w= riting.=0AOn Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:47 AM, mIEKAL aND =0Awrote:=0Aa hybrid interface of facebook/twitter/blog/listserv would = involve a=0Abit=0Amore design but in the end could operate effortlessly. t= he real=0Aquestion=0Ais=0Amoderation or no moderation.'=0A~mIEKAL=0AOn Fri= , Jan 24, 2014 at 5:42 PM, jim andrews wrote:=0ASay what y= ou will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages=0Aover=0Alists. Th= ough I would like to see something better emerge that people=0Awill=0Ause = as widely.=0AOne of the advantages is that you don't have to get informati= on from=0Apeople who bore you. You can just block their posts. I know lots= of=0Apoets=0Adon't like that idea, of people being able to easily block o= thers=0Afrom=0Atheir info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing. A list= is like=0Abeing=0Ain one single room with everyone subscribed to the list= . It gets old=0Ain a=0Ahurry. Windbags get at least equal time with more i= nteresting folks.=0AThe Facebook options on what information you get and t= o whom you send=0Ainfo=0Aare much more granular than list options. Those s= orts of options are=0Aimportant, and they never materialized in listserv s= oftware. Lists=0Aneeded a=0Amore contemporary architecture of the group, o= f discussion, and of=0Athe=0Amissive concerning who receives it based on p= ermissions.=0Aja=0Ahttp://vispo.com=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe P= oetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=0Aguidelines &= sub/unsub info:=0Ahttp://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all p= osts. Check=0Aguidelines & sub/unsub info:=0Ahttp://epc.buffalo.edu/poetic= s/welcome.html=0A--=0ADott.ssa Anny Ballardini, MFA, PhD.=0Ahttp://annybal= lardini.blogspot.com/=0Ahttp://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoets= home=0Ahttp://www.lulu.com/content/5806078=0Ahttp://www.moriapoetry.com/eb= ooks.html=0AI Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to = a dancing=0Astar!=0AFriedrich Nietzsche=0A<< Stulta est clementia, cum tot= ubique=0Avatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae >>=0AGiovenale=0APro= fessionista di cui alla Legge n. 4 del 14 gennaio 2013, pubblicata=0Anella= =0AGU n. 22 del 26/01/2013=0AFreiberuflerin laut Gesetz Nr. 4 vom 14. J=E4= nner 2013, ver=F6ffentlicht im=0AAmtsblatt Nr. 22 vom 26.1.2013=0A=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all p= osts. Check=0Aguidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/= welcome.html=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is moderated= & does not accept all posts. Check=0Aguidelines & sub/unsub info: http://= epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe P= oetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & s= ub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List will cease operations by the end of Jan= uary 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will cont= inue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. N= OTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might ext= end the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all partic= ipants will be informed of such options.=0A= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 16:58:46 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sue Brannan Walker Subject: Re: New discussion board in progress In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please consider me a part of the Group, Sue Walker -- = suebrannanwalker@me.com On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Francesco Levato wrote: > I'm working on an initial run of a discussion board that incorporates = some of the=20 > ideas brought up so far. Sorry for my absence after my initial post, = but it's taken=20 > a bit to set this up. I should have a link ready to post to ugh new = discussion=20 > board later today and I'll post that along with some additional = thoughts on the=20 > project.=20 > =20 > To those of you who have expressed interest in helping, thank you, I = could use=20 > it. We'll definitely need moderators, so please back channel me at=20 > poet@francescolevato.com if you're interested. > =20 > Best, > Francesco > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; = please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to = be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE = this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might = extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all = participants will be informed of such options. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 19:22:35 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: lists In-Reply-To: <676ee4e8-e523-4c9f-bf6f-895a8053396f@me.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, perhaps not; but, as far as I see it, you describe your work in terms of what it does. Murat On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:50 PM, David Seaman wrote: > I enjoyed the contacts, which led to rich collaborations, and liked seein= g > the notices of readings, even though as a Savannah Georgia resident I cou= ld > never go to the New York listings. > > > > On Jan 25, 2014, at 04:02 PM, jim andrews wrote: > > No, Murat, that's not what I believe. > > ja > http://vispo.com http://netartery.vispo.com > > ALEPH NULL > http://vispo.com/aleph > Interactive generative color-music instrument (HTML5) > > SELF PORTRAITS > http://vispo.com/dbcinema/selfportrait2 > http://vispo.com/dbcinema/selfportrait3 > Generated with the use of my graphic synthesizer dbCinema. These self > portraits were commissioned by the Surrey Art Gallery in Vancouver. They > consist of a dbcinemation of 47 photos of me from age 0 to now. > > > On 2014-01-25, at 8:12 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > > mIEKAL, aren't Lists part of the digital world, though in a "primitive," > what Chris calls prehistoric sort of way? Jim believes, I think, that if > technology enable something to be done digitally, then it should be done. > Murat > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:24 AM, mIEKAL aND > wrote: > Obviously, I'm a fan of the most minimal moderation possible, but poetry > and logorrhea seem to go hand in hand. Quite frankly it's a bit of deligh= t > to see all these all posting their fond farewells, I had no idea so many = of > these folks were still subscribed since a lot of them haven't posted in > years. Digital community is the real work--takes attention and care. And > restraint. > ~mIEKAL > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Anny Ballardini > wrote: > Self-moderation among adults could go a long way, mIEKAL aND, on the > other > hand, besides being "OLD" since the beginning, how many adults are around > here? > I logically wanted to write the opposite, since your mail invited for a > "let it go free". The mysteries of writing. > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:47 AM, mIEKAL aND > wrote: > a hybrid interface of facebook/twitter/blog/listserv would involve a > bit > more design but in the end could operate effortlessly. the real > question > is > moderation or no moderation.' > ~mIEKAL > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:42 PM, jim andrews wrote: > Say what you will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages > over > lists. Though I would like to see something better emerge that people > will > use as widely. > One of the advantages is that you don't have to get information from > people who bore you. You can just block their posts. I know lots of > poets > don't like that idea, of people being able to easily block others > from > their info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing. A list is like > being > in one single room with everyone subscribed to the list. It gets old > in a > hurry. Windbags get at least equal time with more interesting folks. > The Facebook options on what information you get and to whom you send > info > are much more granular than list options. Those sorts of options are > important, and they never materialized in listserv software. Lists > needed a > more contemporary architecture of the group, of discussion, and of > the > missive concerning who receives it based on permissions. > ja > http://vispo.com > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- > Dott.ssa Anny Ballardini, MFA, PhD. > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > << Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae >> > Giovenale > Professionista di cui alla Legge n. 4 del 14 gennaio 2013, pubblicata > nella > GU n. 22 del 26/01/2013 > Freiberuflerin laut Gesetz Nr. 4 vom 14. J=E4nner 2013, ver=F6ffentlicht = im > Amtsblatt Nr. 22 vom 26.1.2013 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 21:11:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: stephanie g Subject: Re: New discussion board in progress Comments: To: "poet@francescolevato.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I first thank Charles and Amy for all the hard work that goes into keeping = something like this going. Ironically=2C I live in NYC now moving from Bflo= in '04=2C but I found the list incredibly informative in all ways - events= =2C calls for work=2C thoughts on poetics - and even tho I lived in one of = those cultural center cities=2C I the list still kept me informed of things= I wouldn't know about otherwise. While I didn't join til the mid 00's I tr= uly feel it fosters a sense of community. There were many things and even n= yc events posted on this list that I did not find out about otherwise. (tr= ue=2C i'm not on FB...) I think Tyrone and Alan have some really good points and I hope to be in on= the next list. I agree that FB is not going to do it for many reasons that= Alan stated. Some of you may be aware of a similar list but in the innovat= ive/experimental film world called Frameworks and it's still a heady mix of= opinion/personal exchanges=2C very robust calls for work=2C queries on fil= ms/sources/artists and curatorial leads. Most experimental film fests put t= heir calls out there=3B though I'm not sure if that could be replicated wit= h all poetry journals - it would be great if the list was made known someho= w to interested parties. I know there's things like Harriet the Poetry Foun= dation blog=2C but while it does perhaps have some similarities it is not a= personal exchange email list that can be more intimate and focused on inno= vative poetics. I do hope the list can continue as Francesco wishes and perhaps garner the = current folks and get new folks in. Thank you Charles=2C Alan=2C Tyrone=2C Jonathan for all the eloquent words = said these last couple days. -stephanie gray nyc > Date: Sat=2C 25 Jan 2014 16:35:16 -0500 > From: poet@FRANCESCOLEVATO.COM > Subject: New discussion board in progress > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > =20 > I'm working on an initial run of a discussion board that incorporates som= e of the=20 > ideas brought up so far. Sorry for my absence after my initial post=2C bu= t it's taken=20 > a bit to set this up. I should have a link ready to post to ugh new discu= ssion=20 > board later today and I'll post that along with some additional thoughts = on the=20 > project.=20 > =20 > To those of you who have expressed interest in helping=2C thank you=2C I = could use=20 > it. We'll definitely need moderators=2C so please back channel me at=20 > poet@francescolevato.com if you're interested. > =20 > Best=2C > Francesco > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014=3B plea= se do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be avail= able at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exceptio= n: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of th= e Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be info= rmed of such options. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:28:29 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Laura Hinton Subject: Re: New discussion board in progress In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) I just checked out the Wordpress site initiated by Francesco ... It looks gr= eat! It will run more like an Internet thread site (message board), per sub= ject category....and might even be more practical and topic-oriented than th= e out-going Listserve model. The message board might encourage more active p= articipation on given specific subjects.=20 Francesco needs volunteers, though, to help monitor the flow of posts. Laura Sent from my iPad > On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:58 PM, Sue Brannan Walker wrote: > =20 > Please consider me a part of the Group, Sue Walker -- suebrannanwalker@me.= com > =20 >> On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Francesco Levato wrote: >> =20 >> I'm working on an initial run of a discussion board that incorporates som= e of the=20 >> ideas brought up so far. Sorry for my absence after my initial post, but i= t's taken=20 >> a bit to set this up. I should have a link ready to post to ugh new discu= ssion=20 >> board later today and I'll post that along with some additional thoughts o= n the=20 >> project.=20 >> =20 >> To those of you who have expressed interest in helping, thank you, I coul= d use=20 >> it. We'll definitely need moderators, so please back channel me at=20 >> poet@francescolevato.com if you're interested. >> =20 >> Best, >> Francesco >> =20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please= do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be availabl= e at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: I= nformation regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poe= tics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed o= f such options. > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please d= o not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available a= t http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Info= rmation regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetic= s List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of s= uch options. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 08:30:34 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Marc Thompson Subject: Re: Oh, Moderation Definitely! In-Reply-To: <20140125.105019.4065.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks, Jesse. Marc On Jan 25, 2014 1:18 PM, "skyplums@juno.com" wrote: > howling at the moon a great book by the great modern poet hagiwara > saktagaro psrdon my spelling translated by hiroaki sato > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Marc Thompson > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Oh, Moderation Definitely! > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 09:33:56 -0600 > > Very poetic, Jesse. And true. > > Marc Thompson > On Jan 25, 2014 8:51 AM, "Jesse Glass" wrote: > >> Sometimes those lonely poets start howling at the moon. >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 19:19:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Francesco Levato Subject: New discussion board open Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Ok, I have a first run of the new discussion board online at: http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ This is just a start. If the discussion board proves useful in continuing= the work=20 of the Buffalo Poetics List, I will work to update and improve it based o= n=20 member suggestions (I have a forum set up to post suggestions). Also, ple= ase=20 feel free leave any feedback you may have in the =93Feedback=94 forum. Some initial notes: The design of the discussion board is minimalist. I didn=92t want the int= erface to=20 interfere with usability. I am open to suggestions though.
 There seemed to be a balance of pros and cons for moving the list discuss= ions to=20 Facebook or other social media platforms, so I=92m going to try and addre= ss some=20 of those suggestions in the current discussion board=92s functionality. &= amp;#8232; Filtering posts: while we can block posts from certain users (as on FB), = I thought=20 implementing a way to filter posts by category (if you chose) would be us= eful.=20 So, I=92ve added a series of category tags to start with for this purpose= =20 (publications, book releases, announcements, opportunities, discussion, e= vents,=20 readings, and submissions). When you post you can also suggest your own t= ags=20 to expand on this list.
 Notifications to your FB wall: I will be creating a FB page that will aut= omatically=20 be receiving posts made to the discussion board for those of you who woul= d=20 rather follow the list on FB.
 Twitter: for those of you would would rather receive list notifications v= ia twitter,=20 I=92ve set up an account for the list @PoeticsList. The discussion baord = will=20 automatically tweet new posts to this Twitter feed (this is in the works = but will=20 be ready soon).
 A note on moderation: to avoid the board being spammed by trolls or autom= ated=20 spambots, I think it=92s best to keep it a moderated discussion. So, it w= ill still be a=20 short wait before your post is approved. I could use some volunteer moder= ators=20 to help, so if you=92re interested please email me at:=20 poeticslist@chicagoschoolofpoetics.com
 Registration: again, to avoid spam we will need to have users register be= fore=20 they can post. There=92s no approval process, just register and start pos= ting.
 Hosting: I=92m hosting this on the CSoP=92s server, but it is intended fo= r all members=20 of the former Buffalo Poetics List. So, rather than having you go to CSoP= =92s main=20 website to access the board, I installed it on a subdomain. When you clic= k on the=20 link listed above you will be taken directly into the discusion board.&am= p;#8232; And finally, the Buffalo Poetics List has been a daily stop for me for ma= ny years.=20 I appreciate all the list has offered and the community involved in it. S= etting up=20 the Poetics List @ Chicago School of Poetics is just a way for me to give= back to=20 that community. I hope you ind it useful. Best, Francesco Levato =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:48:50 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Paula McKay Subject: Re: New discussion board in progress In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Francesco, Thank you so much. I look forward to continue hearing from and about everyone in the near future. Cheers. From Paula McKay (Sydney, Australia) -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Francesco Levato Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2014 8:35 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: New discussion board in progress I'm working on an initial run of a discussion board that incorporates some of the ideas brought up so far. Sorry for my absence after my initial post, but it's taken a bit to set this up. I should have a link ready to post to ugh new discussion board later today and I'll post that along with some additional thoughts on the project. To those of you who have expressed interest in helping, thank you, I could use it. We'll definitely need moderators, so please back channel me at poet@francescolevato.com if you're interested. Best, Francesco ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 04:20:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Giannini Subject: Re: New discussion board in progress In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Please keep my gmail address for a future listserv or. . . . David Giannini davidgpoet@gmail.com *David* *David Giannini* *P.O. Box 562* *Becket, MA 01223* On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Sue Brannan Walker < suewalker@southalabama.edu> wrote: > Please consider me a part of the Group, Sue Walker -- > suebrannanwalker@me.com > > On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Francesco Levato wrote: > >> I'm working on an initial run of a discussion board that incorporates > some of the >> ideas brought up so far. Sorry for my absence after my initial post, but > it's taken >> a bit to set this up. I should have a link ready to post to ugh new > discussion >> board later today and I'll post that along with some additional thoughts > on the >> project. >> >> To those of you who have expressed interest in helping, thank you, I > could use >> it. We'll definitely need moderators, so please back channel me at >> poet@francescolevato.com if you're interested. >> >> Best, >> Francesco >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 06:48:18 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: { brad brace } Subject: another poetic list In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You cannot politically defy the institutions when all you really wanted was to be clasped to their bosoms and hope in time to be cherished under the very framework of oppressive values you are thinking of overcoming. That would be co-optation, revolution only in the sense of a circulation of elites rather than the extirpation of the very impulses of elitism. To subscribe to 12-list, simply send a message with the word "subscribe" in the Subject: field to 12-list-request@eskimo.com To unsubscribe from 12-list, simply send a message with the word "unsubscribe" in the Subject: field to 12-list-request@eskimo.com /:b ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:45:23 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Michael J. Maguire" Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for this list Charles. As a mere 'blow-in' of seven years lurking, this list has been inspirational and informative, providing a connection to an otherworld I'd rarely encounter otherwise. Thanks to all who posted and gave it life. Michael. On 25 January 2014 16:54, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > Hi, Mark, > > I think by "moderation" mIEKAL meant not a moderator, but the imposition = of > restraint. I agree with mIEKAL that moderation served us badly. At the en= d, > while it helped the List survive as a central posting medium to announce > poetry events and publications, it resulted in the atrophy of the List as= a > forum for heated intellectual exchange. > > Murat > > > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:13 AM, tyrone williams > wrote: > >> Though I've been more a lurker than active participant I agree with Ala= n, >> Mark et al that Charles' and Amy's work has been especially useful for >> those of us outside the major media centers in North America. And I too > am >> in for whatever evolves as PL 2.0. >> >> >> Tyrone >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Mark >>> Sent: Jan 25, 2014 3:17 AM >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>> >>> This reminds me a bit of the old days. I'm actually reading what >> everybody posts, because there's a genuine discussion, an exchange. Wh= o >> knew? >>> >>> I neglected to thank Charles in my earlier post, as well as everyone > else >> who has been involved. I think Amy King's tenure as listmod, though, h= as >> been particularly noteworthy. I think she deserves special thanks, > whether >> or not you agree with Miekal=97 and I certainly think he has a point=97= that >> moderation has not served the list well in the long run. Whether or no= t >> *moderation* is good for the list or not, though, is an entirely separa= te >> matter from the various moderators themselves. All have been very good= , >> but Amy King did it for incredibly long, and her tenure seems to have > been >> seamless, without controversy. (I say 'seems,' of course, because I >> haven't been reading every post, like I did in the old days.) >>> >>> This list, clearly, has been a special exchange for many of us, at lea= st >> at some time or another, and that energy still exists and clearly (not > just >> for myself) needs another outlet. I am hoping we can collectively figu= re >> out how to channel it. I agree with those who said (as I previously > said) >> that FB is not a good medium for such an exchange. I personally like t= he >> listserv/email technological model, but that may not work for most > people, >> especially as technology evolves. I agree that the need exists, not ju= st >> for discussion and exchange of ideas, but for basic information as to >> what's going on. I never thought that calls for work or publication >> announcements were inherently less important than exchange of ideas. > Alan >> Sondheim usefully points out that for those of us who do not live in NY= C >> or, perhaps, SF, the List is a much-needed vehicle to grasp the full > scope >> of literary activity in our time, much less to figure out where, when o= r > if >> we want to "submit." The fact of moderation has limited the spontaneit= y > of >> exchange, and as a result exchange itself. Yet it is ALSO true that >> flamers and narcissists, when they arise (and they will, eventually) ne= ed >> to quietly and efficiently be moved aside. Can there be spontaneity > within >> moderation? Can there be collective ways of dealing with the flamers > which >> bypass listmods? Who knows? >>> >>> Let the Poetics List 2 begin, either through institutional sponsorship > or >> "under that table," so to speak. (And, thinking ecologically, I wonder >> which model would be more sustainable, for a generation or more.) >>> >>> Laura Hinton, I'm in=97 whatever evolves. >>> >>> What's that Pound line about "commerce between us?" >>> >>> Yours in (poetic) struggle=97 >>> >>> >>> Mark DuCharme >>> >>> >>> Mark DuCharme >>> >>> Miekal's point, of course, was that >>> >>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500 >>>> From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM >>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> >>>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >> ----------------------- >>>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" < > POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> >>>> Poster: Murat Nemet-Nejat >>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ >>>> >>>> I also think a discussion list would be the best way to go. >>>> >>>> Murat >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Joel Weishaus >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>> I just looked at this site, and see several people from the Poetic= s >> List >>>>> are already involved. >>>>> I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcements >> better >>>>> than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this list. >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> Joel >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Joel Weishaus >>>>> Artist-in-Residence >>>>> Pacifica Graduate Institute >>>>> 249 Lambert Road >>>>> Carpinteria, CA 93013 >>>>> >>>>> Homepage: >>>>> http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >>>>> Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: >>>>> www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >>>>>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're interest= ed >> in >>>>>> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >>>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim Finnegan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> >> Tyrone Williams >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 THX MJM http://about.me/clevercelt http://www.michaeljmaguire.com Michael J. Maguire =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:24:23 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Re: New discussion board in progress In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please keep my e-mail address for a future platform. I thank you! G. E. Schwartz gejs1@rochester.rr.com ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 10:20:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: reJennifer Bartlett Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think monitoring is ultimately a good thing. The internet is a place where people feel free to be abusive and say things they would never say in public. I had a bad experience with this with Roxann Gay. She published an article I wrote on disability poetics (ok, it was the wrong forum) but people wrote in ruthlessly mocking me... one guy wrote "Is having a small dick a disability?" I know this is difficult because the question becomes "who is the gatekeeper?" and the moderation becomes at their personal discretion. Amy King, in fact, was a good person to do this because she has a wide awareness of prejudice. Most people do not. Most people do not even think of prejudice against disability and have their own prejices, so it is not something people willingly stand up against. I guess I am just saying that if you have controversial views, not even snarky ones or fighting for the sake of fighting, but truly controversial views (but this i mean my view that poets and people with disabilities have nothing wrong with them and should be treated as equals in the poetry community, employment, dating and sexuality) you are going to be attacked. When I called Paul Guest on letting himself be called 'invalid" on his book cover by John Ashbery. I was brutally attacked, and Guest actually won that discussion. HE WON THE RIGHT TO HAVE SOMEONE CALL HIM AN INVALID~! CONGRATUALTIONS! All I am saying is having a moderator helps people like me who are trying to put forth controversial opinions and are also sensitive and loving and have a super hard time being attacked. Love, Jennifer On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Michael J. Maguire wrote: > Thank you for this list Charles. > > As a mere 'blow-in' of seven years lurking, this list has been > inspirational and informative, providing a connection to an otherworld I'd > rarely encounter otherwise. > > Thanks to all who posted and gave it life. > > Michael. > > > > > On 25 January 2014 16:54, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > >> Hi, Mark, >> >> I think by "moderation" mIEKAL meant not a moderator, but the imposition > of >> restraint. I agree with mIEKAL that moderation served us badly. At the > end, >> while it helped the List survive as a central posting medium to announce >> poetry events and publications, it resulted in the atrophy of the List > as a >> forum for heated intellectual exchange. >> >> Murat >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:13 AM, tyrone williams >> wrote: >> >>> Though I've been more a lurker than active participant I agree with > Alan, >>> Mark et al that Charles' and Amy's work has been especially useful for >>> those of us outside the major media centers in North America. And I too >> am >>> in for whatever evolves as PL 2.0. >>> >>> >>> Tyrone >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Mark >>>> Sent: Jan 25, 2014 3:17 AM >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>> >>>> This reminds me a bit of the old days. I'm actually reading what >>> everybody posts, because there's a genuine discussion, an exchange. > Who >>> knew? >>>> >>>> I neglected to thank Charles in my earlier post, as well as everyone >> else >>> who has been involved. I think Amy King's tenure as listmod, though, > has >>> been particularly noteworthy. I think she deserves special thanks, >> whether >>> or not you agree with Miekal-- and I certainly think he has a point-- > that >>> moderation has not served the list well in the long run. Whether or > not >>> *moderation* is good for the list or not, though, is an entirely > separate >>> matter from the various moderators themselves. All have been very > good, >>> but Amy King did it for incredibly long, and her tenure seems to have >> been >>> seamless, without controversy. (I say 'seems,' of course, because I >>> haven't been reading every post, like I did in the old days.) >>>> >>>> This list, clearly, has been a special exchange for many of us, at > least >>> at some time or another, and that energy still exists and clearly (not >> just >>> for myself) needs another outlet. I am hoping we can collectively > figure >>> out how to channel it. I agree with those who said (as I previously >> said) >>> that FB is not a good medium for such an exchange. I personally like > the >>> listserv/email technological model, but that may not work for most >> people, >>> especially as technology evolves. I agree that the need exists, not > just >>> for discussion and exchange of ideas, but for basic information as to >>> what's going on. I never thought that calls for work or publication >>> announcements were inherently less important than exchange of ideas. >> Alan >>> Sondheim usefully points out that for those of us who do not live in > NYC >>> or, perhaps, SF, the List is a much-needed vehicle to grasp the full >> scope >>> of literary activity in our time, much less to figure out where, when > or >> if >>> we want to "submit." The fact of moderation has limited the > spontaneity >> of >>> exchange, and as a result exchange itself. Yet it is ALSO true that >>> flamers and narcissists, when they arise (and they will, eventually) > need >>> to quietly and efficiently be moved aside. Can there be spontaneity >> within >>> moderation? Can there be collective ways of dealing with the flamers >> which >>> bypass listmods? Who knows? >>>> >>>> Let the Poetics List 2 begin, either through institutional sponsorship >> or >>> "under that table," so to speak. (And, thinking ecologically, I wonder >>> which model would be more sustainable, for a generation or more.) >>>> >>>> Laura Hinton, I'm in-- whatever evolves. >>>> >>>> What's that Pound line about "commerce between us?" >>>> >>>> Yours in (poetic) struggle-- >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark DuCharme >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark DuCharme >>>> >>>> Miekal's point, of course, was that >>>> >>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500 >>>>> From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM >>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >>> ----------------------- >>>>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" < >> POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> >>>>> Poster: Murat Nemet-Nejat >>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>> >>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> I also think a discussion list would be the best way to go. >>>>> >>>>> Murat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Joel Weishaus >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jim >>>>>> >>>>>> I just looked at this site, and see several people from the > Poetics >>> List >>>>>> are already involved. >>>>>> I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcements >>> better >>>>>> than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>> Joel >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Joel Weishaus >>>>>> Artist-in-Residence >>>>>> Pacifica Graduate Institute >>>>>> 249 Lambert Road >>>>>> Carpinteria, CA 93013 >>>>>> >>>>>> Homepage: >>>>>> http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >>>>>> Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: >>>>>> www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >>>>>>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're > interested >>> in >>>>>>> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >>>>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim Finnegan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ================================== >>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>> >>> Tyrone Williams >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > > > -- > THX > MJM > > http://about.me/clevercelt > http://www.michaeljmaguire.com > > Michael J. Maguire > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > -- http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 10:36:42 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: New discussion board open In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit sign me up! On 1/25/14 7:19 PM, Francesco Levato wrote: > Ok, I have a first run of the new discussion board online at: > > http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ > > This is just a start. If the discussion board proves useful in continuing the work > of the Buffalo Poetics List, I will work to update and improve it based on > member suggestions (I have a forum set up to post suggestions). Also, please > feel free leave any feedback you may have in the “Feedback” forum. > > Some initial notes: > > The design of the discussion board is minimalist. I didn’t want the interface to > interfere with usability. I am open to suggestions though.
 > > There seemed to be a balance of pros and cons for moving the list discussions to > Facebook or other social media platforms, so I’m going to try and address some > of those suggestions in the current discussion board’s functionality. &#8232; > > Filtering posts: while we can block posts from certain users (as on FB), I thought > implementing a way to filter posts by category (if you chose) would be useful. > So, I’ve added a series of category tags to start with for this purpose > (publications, book releases, announcements, opportunities, discussion, events, > readings, and submissions). When you post you can also suggest your own tags > to expand on this list.
 > > Notifications to your FB wall: I will be creating a FB page that will automatically > be receiving posts made to the discussion board for those of you who would > rather follow the list on FB.
 > Twitter: for those of you would would rather receive list notifications via twitter, > I’ve set up an account for the list @PoeticsList. The discussion baord will > automatically tweet new posts to this Twitter feed (this is in the works but will > be ready soon).
 > > A note on moderation: to avoid the board being spammed by trolls or automated > spambots, I think it’s best to keep it a moderated discussion. So, it will still be a > short wait before your post is approved. I could use some volunteer moderators > to help, so if you’re interested please email me at: > poeticslist@chicagoschoolofpoetics.com
 > > Registration: again, to avoid spam we will need to have users register before > they can post. There’s no approval process, just register and start posting.
 > > Hosting: I’m hosting this on the CSoP’s server, but it is intended for all members > of the former Buffalo Poetics List. So, rather than having you go to CSoP’s main > website to access the board, I installed it on a subdomain. When you click on the > link listed above you will be taken directly into the discusion board.&#8232; > > And finally, the Buffalo Poetics List has been a daily stop for me for many years. > I appreciate all the list has offered and the community involved in it. Setting up > the Poetics List @ Chicago School of Poetics is just a way for me to give back to > that community. I hope you ind it useful. > > > Best, > Francesco Levato > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 10:49:35 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 When does "controversial" turn into "abusive"? Is there a clear demarcation? For instance, is irony abusive and sincerity controversial? Ciao. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 10:20 AM, reJennifer Bartlett wrote: > I think monitoring is ultimately a good thing. The internet is a place > where people feel free to be abusive and say things they would never say in > public. > > I had a bad experience with this with Roxann Gay. She published an article > I wrote on disability poetics (ok, it was the wrong forum) but people wrote > in ruthlessly mocking me... one guy wrote "Is having a small dick a > disability?" > > I know this is difficult because the question becomes "who is the > gatekeeper?" and the moderation becomes at their personal discretion. Amy > King, in fact, was a good person to do this because she has a wide > awareness of prejudice. Most people do not. Most people do not even think > of prejudice against disability and have their own prejices, so it is not > something people willingly stand up against. > > I guess I am just saying that if you have controversial views, not even > snarky ones or fighting for the sake of fighting, but truly controversial > views (but this i mean my view that poets and people with disabilities have > nothing wrong with them and should be treated as equals in the poetry > community, employment, dating and sexuality) you are going to be attacked. > When I called Paul Guest on letting himself be called 'invalid" on his book > cover by John Ashbery. I was brutally attacked, and Guest actually won that > discussion. HE WON THE RIGHT TO HAVE SOMEONE CALL HIM AN INVALID~! > CONGRATUALTIONS! > > All I am saying is having a moderator helps people like me who are trying > to put forth controversial opinions and are also sensitive and loving and > have a super hard time being attacked. Love, Jennifer > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Michael J. Maguire > wrote: > >> Thank you for this list Charles. >> >> As a mere 'blow-in' of seven years lurking, this list has been >> inspirational and informative, providing a connection to an otherworld > I'd >> rarely encounter otherwise. >> >> Thanks to all who posted and gave it life. >> >> Michael. >> >> >> >> >> On 25 January 2014 16:54, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: >> >>> Hi, Mark, >>> >>> I think by "moderation" mIEKAL meant not a moderator, but the > imposition >> of >>> restraint. I agree with mIEKAL that moderation served us badly. At the >> end, >>> while it helped the List survive as a central posting medium to > announce >>> poetry events and publications, it resulted in the atrophy of the List >> as a >>> forum for heated intellectual exchange. >>> >>> Murat >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:13 AM, tyrone williams < > suspend@earthlink.net >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> Though I've been more a lurker than active participant I agree with >> Alan, >>>> Mark et al that Charles' and Amy's work has been especially useful > for >>>> those of us outside the major media centers in North America. And I > too >>> am >>>> in for whatever evolves as PL 2.0. >>>> >>>> >>>> Tyrone >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Mark >>>>> Sent: Jan 25, 2014 3:17 AM >>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>> >>>>> This reminds me a bit of the old days. I'm actually reading what >>>> everybody posts, because there's a genuine discussion, an exchange. >> Who >>>> knew? >>>>> >>>>> I neglected to thank Charles in my earlier post, as well as everyone >>> else >>>> who has been involved. I think Amy King's tenure as listmod, though, >> has >>>> been particularly noteworthy. I think she deserves special thanks, >>> whether >>>> or not you agree with Miekal-- and I certainly think he has a point-- >> that >>>> moderation has not served the list well in the long run. Whether or >> not >>>> *moderation* is good for the list or not, though, is an entirely >> separate >>>> matter from the various moderators themselves. All have been very >> good, >>>> but Amy King did it for incredibly long, and her tenure seems to have >>> been >>>> seamless, without controversy. (I say 'seems,' of course, because I >>>> haven't been reading every post, like I did in the old days.) >>>>> >>>>> This list, clearly, has been a special exchange for many of us, at >> least >>>> at some time or another, and that energy still exists and clearly > (not >>> just >>>> for myself) needs another outlet. I am hoping we can collectively >> figure >>>> out how to channel it. I agree with those who said (as I previously >>> said) >>>> that FB is not a good medium for such an exchange. I personally like >> the >>>> listserv/email technological model, but that may not work for most >>> people, >>>> especially as technology evolves. I agree that the need exists, not >> just >>>> for discussion and exchange of ideas, but for basic information as to >>>> what's going on. I never thought that calls for work or publication >>>> announcements were inherently less important than exchange of ideas. >>> Alan >>>> Sondheim usefully points out that for those of us who do not live in >> NYC >>>> or, perhaps, SF, the List is a much-needed vehicle to grasp the full >>> scope >>>> of literary activity in our time, much less to figure out where, when >> or >>> if >>>> we want to "submit." The fact of moderation has limited the >> spontaneity >>> of >>>> exchange, and as a result exchange itself. Yet it is ALSO true that >>>> flamers and narcissists, when they arise (and they will, eventually) >> need >>>> to quietly and efficiently be moved aside. Can there be spontaneity >>> within >>>> moderation? Can there be collective ways of dealing with the flamers >>> which >>>> bypass listmods? Who knows? >>>>> >>>>> Let the Poetics List 2 begin, either through institutional > sponsorship >>> or >>>> "under that table," so to speak. (And, thinking ecologically, I > wonder >>>> which model would be more sustainable, for a generation or more.) >>>>> >>>>> Laura Hinton, I'm in-- whatever evolves. >>>>> >>>>> What's that Pound line about "commerce between us?" >>>>> >>>>> Yours in (poetic) struggle-- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mark DuCharme >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mark DuCharme >>>>> >>>>> Miekal's point, of course, was that >>>>> >>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500 >>>>>> From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >>>> ----------------------- >>>>>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" < >>> POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> >>>>>> Poster: Murat Nemet-Nejat >>>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> I also think a discussion list would be the best way to go. >>>>>> >>>>>> Murat >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Joel Weishaus >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just looked at this site, and see several people from the >> Poetics >>>> List >>>>>>> are already involved. >>>>>>> I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcements >>>> better >>>>>>> than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>> Joel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Joel Weishaus >>>>>>> Artist-in-Residence >>>>>>> Pacifica Graduate Institute >>>>>>> 249 Lambert Road >>>>>>> Carpinteria, CA 93013 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Homepage: >>>>>>> http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >>>>>>> Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: >>>>>>> www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >>>>>>>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're >> interested >>>> in >>>>>>>> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >>>>>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jim Finnegan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ================================== >>>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ================================== >>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Tyrone Williams >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> THX >> MJM >> >> http://about.me/clevercelt >> http://www.michaeljmaguire.com >> >> Michael J. Maguire >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants >> will be informed of such options. >> > > > > -- > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 16:55:21 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Philip Meersman Subject: Re: New discussion board open In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sign me up, please. Op zondag 26 januari 2014 heeft Francesco Levato het volgende geschreven: > Ok, I have a first run of the new discussion board online at: > > http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ > > This is just a start. If the discussion board proves useful in continuing > the work > of the Buffalo Poetics List, I will work to update and improve it based o= n > member suggestions (I have a forum set up to post suggestions). Also, > please > feel free leave any feedback you may have in the =93Feedback=94 forum. > > Some initial notes: > > The design of the discussion board is minimalist. I didn=92t want the > interface to > interfere with usability. I am open to suggestions though.
 > > There seemed to be a balance of pros and cons for moving the list > discussions to > Facebook or other social media platforms, so I=92m going to try and addre= ss > some > of those suggestions in the current discussion board=92s functionality. > &#8232; > > Filtering posts: while we can block posts from certain users (as on FB), = I > thought > implementing a way to filter posts by category (if you chose) would be > useful. > So, I=92ve added a series of category tags to start with for this purpose > (publications, book releases, announcements, opportunities, discussion, > events, > readings, and submissions). When you post you can also suggest your own > tags > to expand on this list.
 > > Notifications to your FB wall: I will be creating a FB page that will > automatically > be receiving posts made to the discussion board for those of you who woul= d > rather follow the list on FB.
 > Twitter: for those of you would would rather receive list notifications > via twitter, > I=92ve set up an account for the list @PoeticsList. The discussion baord = will > automatically tweet new posts to this Twitter feed (this is in the works > but will > be ready soon).
 > > A note on moderation: to avoid the board being spammed by trolls or > automated > spambots, I think it=92s best to keep it a moderated discussion. So, it w= ill > still be a > short wait before your post is approved. I could use some volunteer > moderators > to help, so if you=92re interested please email me at: > poeticslist@chicagoschoolofpoetics.com 
 > > Registration: again, to avoid spam we will need to have users register > before > they can post. There=92s no approval process, just register and start > posting.
 > > Hosting: I=92m hosting this on the CSoP=92s server, but it is intended fo= r all > members > of the former Buffalo Poetics List. So, rather than having you go to > CSoP=92s main > website to access the board, I installed it on a subdomain. When you clic= k > on the > link listed above you will be taken directly into the discusion > board.&#8232; > > And finally, the Buffalo Poetics List has been a daily stop for me for > many years. > I appreciate all the list has offered and the community involved in it. > Setting up > the Poetics List @ Chicago School of Poetics is just a way for me to give > back to > that community. I hope you ind it useful. > > > Best, > Francesco Levato > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > --=20 Philip Meersman President of BAAZ (Belgische Afdeling van de (Internationale) Zaum Academie= ) Co-ordinator European Poetry Slam 2012-2013 Co-ordinator European Poetry & Slam Network Fr=E9d=E9ric Mohrfeldstraat 65 1090 Jette Belgium tel+32 (0)476 576 287 www.spooninmybrain.org www.myspace.com/spooninmybrain www.facebook.com/spooninmybrain www.youtube.com/spooninmybrain skype: Spooninmybrain philip.meersman@gmail.com www.poetasdelmundo.com/verInfo_europa.asp?ID=3D4337 http://www.youtube.com/DAstrugistenDA www.myspace.com/artiestencollectiefja =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 11:11:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: reJennifer Bartlett Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Contraversial to me means putting forth an unpopular opinion in a tempered manner. It used to be gay rights, or rights for people of color, now, for me, it's any resistance against disability as anything but a tradegty or something to be avoided. Abuse is name calling. Putting people down. Cruel comments that don't add to the discussion - such as Paul Guest calling my writing and arguments that quality of a bad first-year writing student. Or when some guys from a list-serv read my blog post regarding the word retarded and posted my picture on their site ruthlessly making fun of me and attacking me and emailed me at the university to make sure I looked at it, Or the times I have been told online that I am a disgrace to all disabled people and should shut up. That is abuse... have you had this happen to you? On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > When does "controversial" turn into "abusive"? Is there a clear > demarcation? For instance, is irony abusive and sincerity controversial? > Ciao. > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 10:20 AM, reJennifer Bartlett > wrote: > >> I think monitoring is ultimately a good thing. The internet is a place >> where people feel free to be abusive and say things they would never say > in >> public. >> >> I had a bad experience with this with Roxann Gay. She published an > article >> I wrote on disability poetics (ok, it was the wrong forum) but people > wrote >> in ruthlessly mocking me... one guy wrote "Is having a small dick a >> disability?" >> >> I know this is difficult because the question becomes "who is the >> gatekeeper?" and the moderation becomes at their personal discretion. Amy >> King, in fact, was a good person to do this because she has a wide >> awareness of prejudice. Most people do not. Most people do not even think >> of prejudice against disability and have their own prejices, so it is not >> something people willingly stand up against. >> >> I guess I am just saying that if you have controversial views, not even >> snarky ones or fighting for the sake of fighting, but truly controversial >> views (but this i mean my view that poets and people with disabilities > have >> nothing wrong with them and should be treated as equals in the poetry >> community, employment, dating and sexuality) you are going to be > attacked. >> When I called Paul Guest on letting himself be called 'invalid" on his > book >> cover by John Ashbery. I was brutally attacked, and Guest actually won > that >> discussion. HE WON THE RIGHT TO HAVE SOMEONE CALL HIM AN INVALID~! >> CONGRATUALTIONS! >> >> All I am saying is having a moderator helps people like me who are trying >> to put forth controversial opinions and are also sensitive and loving and >> have a super hard time being attacked. Love, Jennifer >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Michael J. Maguire < > maguire.mj@gmail.com >>> wrote: >> >>> Thank you for this list Charles. >>> >>> As a mere 'blow-in' of seven years lurking, this list has been >>> inspirational and informative, providing a connection to an otherworld >> I'd >>> rarely encounter otherwise. >>> >>> Thanks to all who posted and gave it life. >>> >>> Michael. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 25 January 2014 16:54, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Mark, >>>> >>>> I think by "moderation" mIEKAL meant not a moderator, but the >> imposition >>> of >>>> restraint. I agree with mIEKAL that moderation served us badly. At > the >>> end, >>>> while it helped the List survive as a central posting medium to >> announce >>>> poetry events and publications, it resulted in the atrophy of the > List >>> as a >>>> forum for heated intellectual exchange. >>>> >>>> Murat >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:13 AM, tyrone williams < >> suspend@earthlink.net >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Though I've been more a lurker than active participant I agree with >>> Alan, >>>>> Mark et al that Charles' and Amy's work has been especially useful >> for >>>>> those of us outside the major media centers in North America. And I >> too >>>> am >>>>> in for whatever evolves as PL 2.0. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tyrone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Mark >>>>>> Sent: Jan 25, 2014 3:17 AM >>>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>>> >>>>>> This reminds me a bit of the old days. I'm actually reading what >>>>> everybody posts, because there's a genuine discussion, an exchange. >>> Who >>>>> knew? >>>>>> >>>>>> I neglected to thank Charles in my earlier post, as well as > everyone >>>> else >>>>> who has been involved. I think Amy King's tenure as listmod, > though, >>> has >>>>> been particularly noteworthy. I think she deserves special thanks, >>>> whether >>>>> or not you agree with Miekal-- and I certainly think he has a > point-- >>> that >>>>> moderation has not served the list well in the long run. Whether > or >>> not >>>>> *moderation* is good for the list or not, though, is an entirely >>> separate >>>>> matter from the various moderators themselves. All have been very >>> good, >>>>> but Amy King did it for incredibly long, and her tenure seems to > have >>>> been >>>>> seamless, without controversy. (I say 'seems,' of course, because > I >>>>> haven't been reading every post, like I did in the old days.) >>>>>> >>>>>> This list, clearly, has been a special exchange for many of us, at >>> least >>>>> at some time or another, and that energy still exists and clearly >> (not >>>> just >>>>> for myself) needs another outlet. I am hoping we can collectively >>> figure >>>>> out how to channel it. I agree with those who said (as I > previously >>>> said) >>>>> that FB is not a good medium for such an exchange. I personally > like >>> the >>>>> listserv/email technological model, but that may not work for most >>>> people, >>>>> especially as technology evolves. I agree that the need exists, > not >>> just >>>>> for discussion and exchange of ideas, but for basic information as > to >>>>> what's going on. I never thought that calls for work or > publication >>>>> announcements were inherently less important than exchange of > ideas. >>>> Alan >>>>> Sondheim usefully points out that for those of us who do not live > in >>> NYC >>>>> or, perhaps, SF, the List is a much-needed vehicle to grasp the > full >>>> scope >>>>> of literary activity in our time, much less to figure out where, > when >>> or >>>> if >>>>> we want to "submit." The fact of moderation has limited the >>> spontaneity >>>> of >>>>> exchange, and as a result exchange itself. Yet it is ALSO true > that >>>>> flamers and narcissists, when they arise (and they will, > eventually) >>> need >>>>> to quietly and efficiently be moved aside. Can there be > spontaneity >>>> within >>>>> moderation? Can there be collective ways of dealing with the > flamers >>>> which >>>>> bypass listmods? Who knows? >>>>>> >>>>>> Let the Poetics List 2 begin, either through institutional >> sponsorship >>>> or >>>>> "under that table," so to speak. (And, thinking ecologically, I >> wonder >>>>> which model would be more sustainable, for a generation or more.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Laura Hinton, I'm in-- whatever evolves. >>>>>> >>>>>> What's that Pound line about "commerce between us?" >>>>>> >>>>>> Yours in (poetic) struggle-- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark DuCharme >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark DuCharme >>>>>> >>>>>> Miekal's point, of course, was that >>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500 >>>>>>> From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >>>>> ----------------------- >>>>>>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" < >>>> POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> >>>>>>> Poster: Murat Nemet-Nejat >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also think a discussion list would be the best way to go. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Murat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Joel Weishaus < > pdx00282@pdx.edu> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just looked at this site, and see several people from the >>> Poetics >>>>> List >>>>>>>> are already involved. >>>>>>>> I like email discussion lists for conversation and > announcements >>>>> better >>>>>>>> than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this > list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>>> Joel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Joel Weishaus >>>>>>>> Artist-in-Residence >>>>>>>> Pacifica Graduate Institute >>>>>>>> 249 Lambert Road >>>>>>>> Carpinteria, CA 93013 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Homepage: >>>>>>>> http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >>>>>>>> Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: >>>>>>>> www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >>>>>>>>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're >>> interested >>>>> in >>>>>>>>> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >>>>>>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>>>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jim Finnegan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ================================== >>>>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > Check >>>>>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ================================== >>>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>> >>>>>> ================================== >>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tyrone Williams >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> THX >>> MJM >>> >>> http://about.me/clevercelt >>> http://www.michaeljmaguire.com >>> >>> Michael J. Maguire >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE > this >>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend > the >>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all > participants >>> will be informed of such options. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants >> will be informed of such options. >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > -- http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 12:42:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Francesco Levato Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have an=20= automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam attack= s, but=20 someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the boa= rd. So,=20 hopefully moderation will help on that end. Best, Francesco =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:09:21 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Austin Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8B117) Adding my appreciation for all your hard work and vision, Charles. Best, William James Austin Sent from my iPod On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:45 AM, "Michael J. Maguire" wro= te: > Thank you for this list Charles. > =20 > As a mere 'blow-in' of seven years lurking, this list has been > inspirational and informative, providing a connection to an otherworld I'd= > rarely encounter otherwise. > =20 > Thanks to all who posted and gave it life. > =20 > Michael. > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > On 25 January 2014 16:54, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > =20 >> Hi, Mark, >> =20 >> I think by "moderation" mIEKAL meant not a moderator, but the imposition o= f >> restraint. I agree with mIEKAL that moderation served us badly. At the en= d, >> while it helped the List survive as a central posting medium to announce >> poetry events and publications, it resulted in the atrophy of the List as= a >> forum for heated intellectual exchange. >> =20 >> Murat >> =20 >> =20 >> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:13 AM, tyrone williams >> wrote: >> =20 >>> Though I've been more a lurker than active participant I agree with Alan= , >>> Mark et al that Charles' and Amy's work has been especially useful for >>> those of us outside the major media centers in North America. And I too >> am >>> in for whatever evolves as PL 2.0. >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> Tyrone >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Mark >>>> Sent: Jan 25, 2014 3:17 AM >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>> =20 >>>> This reminds me a bit of the old days. I'm actually reading what >>> everybody posts, because there's a genuine discussion, an exchange. Who= >>> knew? >>>> =20 >>>> I neglected to thank Charles in my earlier post, as well as everyone >> else >>> who has been involved. I think Amy King's tenure as listmod, though, ha= s >>> been particularly noteworthy. I think she deserves special thanks, >> whether >>> or not you agree with Miekal=E2=80=94 and I certainly think he has a poi= nt=E2=80=94 that >>> moderation has not served the list well in the long run. Whether or not= >>> *moderation* is good for the list or not, though, is an entirely separat= e >>> matter from the various moderators themselves. All have been very good,= >>> but Amy King did it for incredibly long, and her tenure seems to have >> been >>> seamless, without controversy. (I say 'seems,' of course, because I >>> haven't been reading every post, like I did in the old days.) >>>> =20 >>>> This list, clearly, has been a special exchange for many of us, at leas= t >>> at some time or another, and that energy still exists and clearly (not >> just >>> for myself) needs another outlet. I am hoping we can collectively figur= e >>> out how to channel it. I agree with those who said (as I previously >> said) >>> that FB is not a good medium for such an exchange. I personally like th= e >>> listserv/email technological model, but that may not work for most >> people, >>> especially as technology evolves. I agree that the need exists, not jus= t >>> for discussion and exchange of ideas, but for basic information as to >>> what's going on. I never thought that calls for work or publication >>> announcements were inherently less important than exchange of ideas. >> Alan >>> Sondheim usefully points out that for those of us who do not live in NYC= >>> or, perhaps, SF, the List is a much-needed vehicle to grasp the full >> scope >>> of literary activity in our time, much less to figure out where, when or= >> if >>> we want to "submit." The fact of moderation has limited the spontaneity= >> of >>> exchange, and as a result exchange itself. Yet it is ALSO true that >>> flamers and narcissists, when they arise (and they will, eventually) nee= d >>> to quietly and efficiently be moved aside. Can there be spontaneity >> within >>> moderation? Can there be collective ways of dealing with the flamers >> which >>> bypass listmods? Who knows? >>>> =20 >>>> Let the Poetics List 2 begin, either through institutional sponsorship >> or >>> "under that table," so to speak. (And, thinking ecologically, I wonder >>> which model would be more sustainable, for a generation or more.) >>>> =20 >>>> Laura Hinton, I'm in=E2=80=94 whatever evolves. >>>> =20 >>>> What's that Pound line about "commerce between us?" >>>> =20 >>>> Yours in (poetic) struggle=E2=80=94 >>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>>> Mark DuCharme >>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>>> Mark DuCharme >>>> =20 >>>> Miekal's point, of course, was that >>>> =20 >>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500 >>>>> From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM >>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>> =20 >>>>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >>> ----------------------- >>>>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" < >> POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> >>>>> Poster: Murat Nemet-Nejat >>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>> =20 >>> =20 >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ >>>>> =20 >>>>> I also think a discussion list would be the best way to go. >>>>> =20 >>>>> Murat >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Joel Weishaus >>> wrote: >>>>> =20 >>>>>> Jim >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> I just looked at this site, and see several people from the Poetics >>> List >>>>>> are already involved. >>>>>> I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcements >>> better >>>>>> than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this list. >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>> Joel >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Joel Weishaus >>>>>> Artist-in-Residence >>>>>> Pacifica Graduate Institute >>>>>> 249 Lambert Road >>>>>> Carpinteria, CA 93013 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> Homepage: >>>>>> http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >>>>>> Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: >>>>>> www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: >>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >>>>>>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're interested >>> in >>>>>>> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >>>>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> Jim Finnegan >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html= >>>> =20 >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html= >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> Tyrone Williams >>> =20 >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 18:16:03 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Walsh Mills Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 23 Jan 2014 to 24 Jan 2014 (#2014-10) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Last posts, but change is good, seems to be facing towards further. Thank you Charles and each set of moderators who made it work for so long. Signed up a long time ago but not early, internet access a problem. Since with sporadic, intermittent, then continuous access those email reminders of poets & past poetic pleasantries/ platitudes/ plaints/ pleas/ rants were often fun. Though I have mostly lurked it did mean I was not as cut off. I thought Alan Sondheim, Jim Andrews, Amy Ballardini and MiKEAL aND above were all sounding out useful pointers Best, Catherine Walsh.. On 25 January 2014 05:01, POETICS automatic digest system < LISTSERV@listserv.buffalo.edu> wrote: > There are 36 messages totalling 2630 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. Poetics List (1993-2014) (7) > 2. the last posts (2) > 3. Poetics +++ (3) > 4. Poetics List (1993-2014) - to Charles Bernstein > 5. Any chance for one last post to move to the future? > 6. Solitude, reef, star (2) > 7. What will be missed =85 (10) > 8. CASITA BOILER: five volumes > 9. Thanks, Praise and a place to migrate > 10. What will be missed =85 (2) > 11. For all who > 12. Onward! (2) > 13. lists (3) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:24:31 -0800 > From: Catherine Daly > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > I would look forward to wrangling over the sound track to this film. > > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly@gmail.com > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Kevin Killian > wrote: > >> Charles, perhaps a final American Graffiti moment to tell us where they >> are now, the men and women who started this strange utopian project and >> whose names were once as familiar to me as my own? >> >> Maybe that's the urge of the novelist, not the poet. >> >> Thanks for doing this, >> >> xxx Kevin K. >> >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 22:32:05 -0500 > From: Daniel Zimmerman > Subject: Re: the last posts > > Charles, > > Thank you for a useful and > inspiring forum that has sustained > and promoted a unique poetic > community for many years. > > ~ Dan Zimmerman, UB 1962-70; 1983 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:15:27 -0500 > From: Alan Sondheim > Subject: Poetics +++ > > (Also want to point out re: recent posts that there were feminist and > other poetics newsgroups before that got spammed into close to non- > existence, and the BBS systems carried similar - lists/listserves were > only one of the early forms of dissemination. That said, however - ) > > I do wish the list could continue under other auspices; it provides an > incredible service that really can't be replaced by IM or Facebook > pages... It's difficult enough to find out about poetry/poetics events, > publications, content, even with the list; without it, those of us out of > the imminent NYC scene are a bit at a loss - > > - Alan > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:25:54 +1100 > From: Pam Brown > Subject: Poetics List (1993-2014) - to Charles Bernstein > > Dear Charles, > > Me too. > > The Poetics list has been a great resource for me, especially living, as = I > do, in Sydney Australia. > I loved the early discussions and I have met some invaluable longterm > poetry friends on this list. > > Thank you, > Every best wish to you & fellow poeticists, > Pam > > -- > ____________________________________________ > > http://thedeletions.blogspot.com/ > http://pambrownbooks.blogspot.com/ > http://www.shearsman.com/pages/books/catalog/2013/brown.html > > > ___________________________________________________ > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 08:38:19 +0000 > From: michael farrell > Subject: Re: Any chance for one last post to move to the future? > > a last request from me .. > > if there are any poets in rome between february & july who would like to > ge=3D > t in contact please b/c me > > at limecha@hotmail.com > > thanks for access to all your worlds > > michael > >> Date: Fri=3D2C 24 Jan 2014 02:19:02 +0000 >> From: dseaman40@MAC.COM >> Subject: Any chance for one last post to move to the future? >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> =3D20 >> Here it is: >> AMULETS is a publication devoted to AMericans Using LETters and Signs. > I=3D > nspired and informed by the traditions of Dada=3D2C concrete poetry=3D2C > lettri=3D > sm and INIsmo=3D2C this journal gathers contributions from practitioners = of > t=3D > he visual poetry community=3D2C and publishes them in two forms: an on-li= ne > w=3D > ebsite with complete texts=3D2C and a limited edition series of amulets > (suit=3D > able as neckwear) that will contain fragments of the complete texts. >> =3D20 >> The inaugural issue will be devoted to PRESCRIPTIONS=3D2C ie: statement= s > of=3D > purpose=3D2C ideology=3D2C principles=3D2C guidelines=3D2C orientations.= Etc. >> =3D20 >> The editors are David W. Seaman=3D2C founder=3D2C and Paul Lambert. Sea= man > is=3D > a scholar of avant-garde 20th century poetry=3D2C author of the book=3D2= C > Fren=3D > ch Concrete Poetry and other essays on the subject. Paul Lambert has been > d=3D > ubbed the =3D93King of INIUSA=3D2C=3D94 recognizing his role as an avant-= garde > ar=3D > tist in America. >> =3D20 >> All works will remain the property of the artist=3D2C with permission t= o > AM=3D > ULETS for one-time publication. >> =3D20 >> Contributors selected for the inaugural issue will be able to display > the=3D > ir statement of principle=3D2C and from one to three original works that > illu=3D > strate their orientation. >> =3D20 >> SEND statements of interest=3D2C proposals=3D2C manifestos=3D2C visual = poetry=3D > =3D2C and position papers to dseaman40@me.com >> =3D20 >> =3D20 >> =3D20 >> =3D20 >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelin=3D > es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:57:30 +0000 > From: "Wystan Curnow (ARTS ENG)" > Subject: Re: the last posts > > =3D0A=3D > Utopian, community building, egalitarian, innovatory---all these apply to > t=3D > he Poetics List. It certainly profoundly changed my sense (far flung here > i=3D > n Auckland) of the world--so much larger and accessible--in which quality > d=3D > iscussion of poetry might take place. I thank Charles for that, and those > w=3D > ho contributed so fully, especially in those early years when the > uniquenes=3D > s of the technological moment that he and Loss had captured was so clear.= =3D > =3D0A=3D > Wystan=3D0A=3D > =3D0A=3D > =3D0A=3D > Wystan Curnow=3D0A=3D > Professor of English (Emeritus)=3D0A=3D > University of Auckland=3D0A=3D > Private Bag 92019=3D0A=3D > Auckland, NEW ZEALAND=3D0A=3D > Ph. 64.09.3737599 work=3D0A=3D > 64.09. 480.7134 home=3D0A=3D > Fax 64.09. 3737429=3D0A=3D > ________________________________________=3D0A=3D > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] on behalf > of =3D > blacksox [blacksox@ATT.NET]=3D0A=3D > Sent: Friday, 24 January 2014 1:42 p.m.=3D0A=3D > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=3D0A=3D > Subject: Re: the last posts=3D0A=3D > =3D0A=3D > Thanks Charles and all those involved.=3D0A=3D > =3D0A=3D > =3D0A=3D > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S=3DAE4=3D0A=3D > =3D0A=3D > -------- Original message --------=3D0A=3D > From: aldonlnielsen@GMAIL.COM=3D0A=3D > Date:01/23/2014 12:36 PM (GMT-05:00)=3D0A=3D > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=3D0A=3D > Subject: Re: the last posts=3D0A=3D > =3D0A=3D > Before we go, could someone please, one last time, denounce the rest of u= s > =3D > for not talking about poetics, send me a back channel flame, and rail > again=3D > st the tyranny of Buffalo? I miss those days.=3D0A=3D > =3D0A=3D > =3D0A=3D > True, many of our discussions have migrated to FaceBook and elsewhere, bu= t > =3D > this list has continued over the years to be a place I could turn to for > mu=3D > ch needed information. I recall the time it only took Ron Silliman a > minut=3D > e to come up with an identification that had been puzzling me in a Bob > Kauf=3D > man poem.=3D0A=3D > =3D0A=3D > =3D0A=3D > =3D0A=3D > So, thanks again to Charles and the moderators for years of pleasure and > in=3D > formation.=3D0A=3D > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:36:49 +0000 > From: Jonathan Skinner > Subject: Solitude, reef, star > > Salute > > Nothing, this spume, virgin verse > Only to point to the cup; > So afar many a troupe > Of sirens drowns in reverse. > > We navigate, O my diverse > Friends, me now on the poop > You the sumptuous prow to reap > Lightnings and seasons perverse; > > A fine ivresse brings me > Fearless of its very pitch > To bear upright this salute > > Solitude, reef, star > To whatever is worth > The white concern of our sheet. > > (Cid Corman, after Mallarm=3DE9) > > Thank you, Charles (& Joel, Chris, Lori, Amy): the whole world came =3D20 > aboard . . . > > Onward! > > Jonathan=3D20=3D > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 06:57:14 -0800 > From: carol dorf > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > I'll miss the list -- I began to read many poets through following the > posts. > Thank you Charles, and all the other people who worked on the list. > Carol > > > > > > -- > Carol Dorf > talkingwriting.com > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:25:29 +0100 > From: Laura Hinton > Subject: What will be missed =3D?windows-1252?Q?=3D85?=3D > > One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual spa= ce > for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/or > multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such lists > that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, many = of > which are alien to radical "innovative work." > > Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has provide= d > some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting > practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. > > As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and pulse= . > > Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this functi= on > already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated > monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this > would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still > available? Any volunteers?) > > Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work > myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't > like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate these > possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. > > We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on > poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a > space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. > > Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-going > discussion: > laurahinton12@gmail.com. > > And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a > potential list: > https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 > > Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. > > Best to all, > Laura > > > -- > Laura Hinton > Professor of English > City College of New York > 138 at Convent Ave. > New York, New York 10031 > > www.mermaidtenementpress.com > http://www.chantdelasirene.com > > > *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you > coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- > Circe* > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 09:53:06 -0600 > From: mIEKAL aND > Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D?windows-1252?Q?=3D85?=3D > > I wonder how many people are subbed to the Poetics list? It would be a > simple matter to start another list.. > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Laura Hinton > wrote: > >> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual > space >> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/= or >> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such lis= ts >> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, man= y > of >> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >> >> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has > provided >> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >> >> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and > pulse. >> >> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this > function >> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >> available? Any volunteers?) >> >> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't >> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate thes= e >> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >> >> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a >> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >> >> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-goin= g >> discussion: >> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >> >> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a >> potential list: >> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >> >> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >> >> Best to all, >> Laura >> >> >> -- >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> >> >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >> Circe* >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:29:54 GMT > From: "skyplums@juno.com" > Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3D85?=3D > > well tho i'm not the guy to do it someone should set up a similar list = =3D > for postings > we need it facebook just isn't enough and is so artificial > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Laura Hinton > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: What will be missed =3D85 > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:25:29 +0100 > > One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual sp= =3D > ace > for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/o= =3D > r > multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such list= =3D > s > that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, many= =3D > of > which are alien to radical "innovative work." > > Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has provid= =3D > ed > some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting > practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. > > As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and puls= =3D > e. > > Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this funct= =3D > ion > already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated > monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this > would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still > available? Any volunteers?) > > Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work > myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't > like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate these= =3D > > possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. > > We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on > poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a > space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. > > Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-going= =3D > > discussion: > laurahinton12@gmail.com. > > And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a > potential list: > https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 > > Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. > > Best to all, > Laura > > > -- =3D > > Laura Hinton > Professor of English > City College of New York > 138 at Convent Ave. > New York, New York 10031 > > www.mermaidtenementpress.com > http://www.chantdelasirene.com > > > *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you > coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- Ci= =3D > rce* > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideli= =3D > nes & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 08:47:38 -0800 > From: { brad brace } > Subject: CASITA BOILER: five volumes > > METADATA CASITA BOILER: Entrenched Codes of Silent > Vivienda Clasificados (Exfiltration Series) > > > VOL 1 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HATOMI0 > VOL 2 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HBGLMVM > VOL 3 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HMGUZ4Q > VOL 4 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HZ6HM26 > VOL 5 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HZ6HJHY > > > an illustrated domestic/historical installment-novel (archive): > > ten 66-inch-long exquisitely designed boiler/filler pages of > received/random > transcriptions from ETAOIN SHRDLU > > http: www.bbrace.net/ppp/ppp.html > http: www.bradbrace.net/ppp/ppp.html > > > graphic design, photography, artist publication, metadata, boilerplate, > serial novel, > real estate > > > CASITA BOILER > CASITA BOILER: Entrenched Codes of Silent > Vivienda Clasificados (Exfiltration Series) > > an illustrated domestic/historical installment-novel (archive): > > > $400 artist/writer looking for a cheap room (Victoria) > I'm looking to rent a room anywhere biking distance to Oak > Bay. Central locations ideal. I work at a BC Liquor store > and I am leaving my apartment Aug 1st. I am extremely clean > and organized. I barely ever drink alcohol these days. I do > smoke pot every once in a while and cigarettes outside > occasionally. > I am considerate, and quiet. I don't have much stuff except > recording equipment I will store in the corner of my room. I > like to write music quietly (for the most part) in the > mornings. Cheaper the better, I'm learning to live with > less. > > I am a marine ecologist and young professional working at > Cal Poly. During times off I like to surf, ski (especially > backcountry), climb/boulder, do adventures of all sorts, > listen to music (I have 400+ vinyl records), brew beer and > make wine (I'm not very good at it, but hey), work on the > house/property, and of course eat good food with good > friends. I am hoping to find like-minded renters who are fun > and adventurous, as well as respectful of this beautiful > house and our neighborhood. > > Rent is $1000 (master bedroom) or $900 (regular bedroom) per > month, plus utilities. > > Master Bedroom with walk-in closet. Slider off Living room > to private patio & garden area & storage unit. Nicely > landscaped community grounds, community pool & Clubhouse. > > Really Nice Fully Furnished Bedroom. $375 month. $125 > deposit. Queen bed, dresser, lamps, TV, Table w/chair, and > loveseat. 1 mile W of downtown The Dalles. Large yard with a > country like setting. Good parking, Rent includes utilities, > cable, internet. Includes all linens, towels, bedding. Share > kitchen appliances and accessories, bathroom with > tub-shower, laundry room with washer and dryer. 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I will make a commitment to follow through with > trailer condition & if one homeless person does not work > out, will make sure some other homeless get the opportunity. > If you have such a trailer or know someone who is willing to > donate one, please let me know. If someone had a space to > park the trailer with R.V. hook ups walking distance to > town, that woi > Thanks & God bless you. ~ Call Mark Nellesen @ 805-391-4009 > > > http: www.bbrace.net/ppp/ppp.html > http: www.bradbrace.net/ppp/ppp.html > > METADATA CASITA BOILER: Entrenched Codes of Silent > Vivienda Clasificados (Exfiltration Series) > > > VOL 1 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HATOMI0 > VOL 2 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HBGLMVM > VOL 3 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HMGUZ4Q > VOL 4 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HZ6HM26 > VOL 5 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HZ6HJHY > > > an illustrated domestic/historical installment-novel (archive): > > ten 66-inch-long exquisitely designed boiler/filler pages of > received/random > transcriptions from ETAOIN SHRDLU > > http: www.bbrace.net/ppp/ppp.html > http: www.bradbrace.net/ppp/ppp.html > > CASITA BOILER: Entrenched Codes of Silent Vivienda Clasificados > > graphic design, photography, artist publication, metadata, boilerplate, > serial novel, > real estate > > > /:b > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 11:58:42 -0500 > From: Nicholas Piombino > Subject: Re: Poetics +++ > > Alan, > > I knew that when I made the point about the Buffalo Listserv preceding > blogging, someone would supply corrected information. If this was years a= go > I might have even guessed that it would be you! Seeing your work on here = is > one of the things I have missed, and having heard you've recently moved, = I > hope all is going well with you! > > Best wishes, > Nick > > > On 1/24/14 12:15 AM, "Alan Sondheim" wrote: > >> (Also want to point out re: recent posts that there were feminist and >> other poetics newsgroups before that got spammed into close to non- >> existence, and the BBS systems carried similar - lists/listserves were >> only one of the early forms of dissemination. That said, however - ) >> >> I do wish the list could continue under other auspices; it provides an >> incredible service that really can't be replaced by IM or Facebook >> pages... It's difficult enough to find out about poetry/poetics events, >> publications, content, even with the list; without it, those of us out = of >> the imminent NYC scene are a bit at a loss - >> >> - Alan >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:24:34 -0500 > From: Martha Mims > Subject: Thanks, Praise and a place to migrate > > Thanks Charles for being the catalyst for something virtual but very real= . > E=3D > njoy your free time too!=3D20 > > For those of you sad to lose something so valuable to the world of poetry > > I could host a poetics list by creating a poetics list category at Listen > an=3D > d Be Heard Poetry Cafe=3D20 > http://www.listenandbeheard.net/poetry/ > Registered users could post to that category. It could be moderated, but > not=3D > by me entirely.... > > If there's interest just let me know. > Wishing you Peace and Poetry > Martha Cinader Mims > > >> On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Laura Hinton > =3D20 >> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual > spac=3D > e >> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/= or >> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such lis= ts >> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, man= y > o=3D > f >> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >> =3D20 >> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has > provided=3D > >> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >> =3D20 >> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and > pulse.=3D > >> =3D20 >> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this > functio=3D > n >> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >> available? Any volunteers?) >> =3D20 >> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't >> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate thes= e >> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >> =3D20 >> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a >> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >> =3D20 >> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-goin= g >> discussion: >> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >> =3D20 >> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a >> potential list: >> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >> =3D20 >> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >> =3D20 >> Best to all, >> Laura >> =3D20 >> =3D20 >> --=3D20 >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> =3D20 >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> =3D20 >> =3D20 >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- > Circ=3D > e* >> =3D20 >> > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guideline=3D > s & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:43:09 -0500 > From: Murat Nemet-Nejat > Subject: Re: Poetics +++ > > I second Alan. > > Murat > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Alan Sondheim > wrote: > >> (Also want to point out re: recent posts that there were feminist and >> other poetics newsgroups before that got spammed into close to non- >> existence, and the BBS systems carried similar - lists/listserves were >> only one of the early forms of dissemination. That said, however - ) >> >> I do wish the list could continue under other auspices; it provides an >> incredible service that really can't be replaced by IM or Facebook > pages... >> It's difficult enough to find out about poetry/poetics events, >> publications, content, even with the list; without it, those of us out = of >> the imminent NYC scene are a bit at a loss - >> >> - Alan >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:10:58 -0500 > From: Alan Sondheim > Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D?UTF-8?Q?=3DE2=3D80=3DA6?=3D > > I think, one way or another, the list should continue; Fb is bad for a > number of reasons: it's noisy, the feeds are noisy, the privacy settings > are arcane, things get lost in the mix, the constant advertising - > including advertising in the midst of the feeds now - is bad, it's easy t= o > spoof or hack, there are too many bells and whistles graphics, the mobile > apps are limited, the software keeps trying to get you to fill out more > personal information, discussions are often derailed, and a monthly > updating of anything online is simply too slow at this point. Email is fa= r > more secure, leaner, runs on a variety of clients, is easy to use on > mobile, and comes to you; you can also save emails in a directory for > future reference. I'd like to see someone take over the list at this poin= t > and I hope that Charles would allow it to continue running until that > might be a real possibility, at least a week or two. > > Thanks, Alan > > On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Laura Hinton wrote: > >> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual > space >> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/= or >> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such lis= ts >> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, man= y > of >> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >> >> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has > provided >> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >> >> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and > pulse. >> >> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this > function >> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >> available? Any volunteers?) >> >> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't >> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate thes= e >> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >> >> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a >> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >> >> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-goin= g >> discussion: >> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >> >> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a >> potential list: >> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >> >> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >> >> Best to all, >> Laura >> >> >> -- >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> >> >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- > Circe* >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> > > =3D=3D > email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 > music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt > =3D=3D > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:23:53 -0500 > From: Brian Clements > Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D?Windows-1252?Q?=3D85?=3D > > Please add my appreciation of Charles and the list managers to all of the > c=3D > ollected expressions thus far. No future representation of poetry and > poeti=3D > cs of the last 20 years will be sufficient without taking into account th= e > =3D > community, activity, and influence of the Poetics list.=3D20 > > As for ways to carry forward (re: Laura Hinton and others), I would think > t=3D > hat an invitation-only blog (through Wordpress, for example) would work > sim=3D > ilarly to this listserv, though I'm not sure a digest option would be > possi=3D > ble.=3D20 > > With gratitude, > Brian Clements > ________________________________________ > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf > Of =3D > Laura Hinton [laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM] > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:25 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: What will be missed =3D85 > > One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual spa= ce > for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/or > multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such lists > that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, many = of > which are alien to radical "innovative work." > > Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has provide= d > some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting > practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. > > As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and pulse= . > > Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this functi= on > already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated > monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this > would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still > available? Any volunteers?) > > Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work > myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't > like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate these > possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. > > We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on > poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a > space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. > > Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-going > discussion: > laurahinton12@gmail.com. > > And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a > potential list: > https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 > > Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. > > Best to all, > Laura > > > -- > Laura Hinton > Professor of English > City College of New York > 138 at Convent Ave. > New York, New York 10031 > > www.mermaidtenementpress.com > http://www.chantdelasirene.com > > > *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you > coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- > Circe=3D > * > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines=3D > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:26:32 -0500 > From: Marthe Reed > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > Soundtrack wrangling, yes! And yes! Thank you, Charles and to all who mad= e > it possible. To the list. > > Marthe > > Marthe Reed > > _____________________________________ > > *Poetry is made in a bed like love* > *Its rumpled sheets are the dawn of things* > *Poetry is made in the woods* > > --Andre Breton, "On the road to San Romano" > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Catherine Daly > wrote: > >> I would look forward to wrangling over the sound track to this film. >> >> Catherine Daly >> c.a.b.daly@gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Kevin Killian >> wrote: >> >>> Charles, perhaps a final American Graffiti moment to tell us where th= ey >>> are now, the men and women who started this strange utopian project a= nd >>> whose names were once as familiar to me as my own? >>> >>> Maybe that's the urge of the novelist, not the poet. >>> >>> Thanks for doing this, >>> >>> xxx Kevin K. >>> >>> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:32:31 -0500 > From: Jim Finnegan > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... > =3D20 > Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're interested in > subbin=3D > g to NewPoetry, here's the link... > =3D20 > New-Poetry mailing list > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > =3D20 > > Jim Finnegan > =3D20 > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------Dat= e:=3D > Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:32:51 -0500From: Charles Bernstein > stein@English.Upenn.Edu>Subject: Poetics List (1993-2014)I started the > Poet=3D > ics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo andco-founded the > Poeti=3D > cs Program and a little while before the founding of theElectronic Poetry > C=3D > enter. At that time the this list was a radically newformat. But it has > bee=3D > n over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not longerviable for me to > con=3D > tinue to sponsor the list.I want to thanks the list moderators, a role > firs=3D > t introduced in 1999: JoelKuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our > lo=3D > ngest serving moderator AmyKing. I am grateful to them for the work they > ha=3D > ve done.While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do > foll=3D > ow the posts.And over the years the list has been great company and the > ori=3D > gin of friendshipsfor many of us and some great conversations.More > informat=3D > ion on the list athttp://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.htmlThearchi= v=3D > es should remain in place.Charles Bernstein=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3DThe=3D > Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines = & > =3D > sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html----------------=3D > --------------Date: Fri, 17 Jan=3D20 > =3D20 > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:58:04 -0500 > From: sylvester > Subject: Re: Solitude, reef, star > > Delighted !! delighted,and as far the salute, I did not try to finger it > all.;Love to you and yours. > Bill > --- > sylvester@acsu.buffalo.edu > > On 01/24/2014 7:36 am, Jonathan Skinner wrote: >> Salute >> >> Nothing, this spume, virgin verse >> Only to point to the cup; >> So afar many a troupe >> Of sirens drowns in reverse. >> >> We navigate, O my diverse >> Friends, me now on the poop >> You the sumptuous prow to reap >> Lightnings and seasons perverse; >> >> A fine ivresse brings me >> Fearless of its very pitch >> To bear upright this salute >> >> Solitude, reef, star >> To whatever is worth >> The white concern of our sheet. >> >> (Cid Corman, after Mallarm=E9) >> >> Thank you, Charles (& Joel, Chris, Lori, Amy): the whole world came >> aboard . . . >> >> Onward! >> >> Jonathan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:06:05 -0600 > From: ShaunAnne Tangney > Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D?windows-1252?Q?=3D85?=3D > > The Robinson Jeffers listserv has been shuffled around from one academic = =3D > institution/server to another as people have moved from job to job, and = =3D > at this point, the Association is working to move it to a non-academic = =3D > affiliation/server. I'm not involved, and I don't know how to do it, =3D > but I know it is being done. I believe the RJA is looking to move the = =3D > listserv to Dotster, which hosts the RJA website. > > I've almost always been a lurker on this list (I've belonged since about = =3D > 1995--goodness!) but I have always enjoyed and appreciated it. Thanks = =3D > to all who have maintained it all these years, to all who post and argue = =3D > and delight and muddle on it, and to whoever among you out there who =3D > might figure out how to keep the list going! > > > On Jan 24, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote: > >> I think, one way or another, the list should continue; Fb is bad for a = =3D > number of reasons: it's noisy, the feeds are noisy, the privacy settings = =3D > are arcane, things get lost in the mix, the constant advertising - =3D > including advertising in the midst of the feeds now - is bad, it's easy = =3D > to spoof or hack, there are too many bells and whistles graphics, the =3D > mobile apps are limited, the software keeps trying to get you to fill =3D > out more personal information, discussions are often derailed, and a =3D > monthly updating of anything online is simply too slow at this point. =3D > Email is far more secure, leaner, runs on a variety of clients, is easy = =3D > to use on mobile, and comes to you; you can also save emails in a =3D > directory for future reference. I'd like to see someone take over the =3D > list at this point and I hope that Charles would allow it to continue =3D > running until that might be a real possibility, at least a week or two. >> =3D20 >> Thanks, Alan >> =3D20 >> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Laura Hinton wrote: >> =3D20 >>> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual = =3D > space >>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language =3D > and/or >>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such = =3D > lists >>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, = =3D > many of >>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>> =3D20 >>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has =3D > provided >>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for =3D > posting >>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific =3D > audience. >>> =3D20 >>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and = =3D > pulse. >>> =3D20 >>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this =3D > function >>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how =3D > this >>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >>> available? Any volunteers?) >>> =3D20 >>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I =3D > don't >>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate =3D > these >>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>> =3D20 >>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even = =3D > a >>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>> =3D20 >>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for =3D > on-going >>> discussion: >>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>> =3D20 >>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on = =3D > a >>> potential list: >>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>> =3D20 >>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>> =3D20 >>> Best to all, >>> Laura >>> =3D20 >>> =3D20 >>> --=3D20 >>> Laura Hinton >>> Professor of English >>> City College of New York >>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>> New York, New York 10031 >>> =3D20 >>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>> =3D20 >>> =3D20 >>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- = =3D > Circe* >>> =3D20 >>> > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =3D > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> =3D20 >>> =3D20 >> =3D20 >> =3D3D=3D3D >> email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ >> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 >> music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ >> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt >> =3D3D=3D3D >> =3D20 >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =3D > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:15:18 -0500 > From: Ann Lederer > Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D?windows-1252?Q?=3D85?=3D > > I agree with Alan. I would miss this list. > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote= : > >> I think, one way or another, the list should continue; Fb is bad for a >> number of reasons: it's noisy, the feeds are noisy, the privacy setting= s >> are arcane, things get lost in the mix, the constant advertising - >> including advertising in the midst of the feeds now - is bad, it's easy > to >> spoof or hack, there are too many bells and whistles graphics, the mobi= le >> apps are limited, the software keeps trying to get you to fill out more >> personal information, discussions are often derailed, and a monthly >> updating of anything online is simply too slow at this point. Email is > far >> more secure, leaner, runs on a variety of clients, is easy to use on >> mobile, and comes to you; you can also save emails in a directory for >> future reference. I'd like to see someone take over the list at this > point >> and I hope that Charles would allow it to continue running until that > might >> be a real possibility, at least a week or two. >> >> Thanks, Alan >> >> >> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Laura Hinton wrote: >> >> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual >>> space >>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language > and/or >>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such > lists >>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, ma= ny >>> of >>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>> >>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has > provided >>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >>> >>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and > pulse. >>> >>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this >>> function >>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >>> available? Any volunteers?) >>> >>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don'= t >>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate the= se >>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>> >>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even = a >>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>> >>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-goi= ng >>> discussion: >>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>> >>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on = a >>> potential list: >>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>> >>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>> >>> Best to all, >>> Laura >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Laura Hinton >>> Professor of English >>> City College of New York >>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>> New York, New York 10031 >>> >>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>> >>> >>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >>> Circe* >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>> >>> >> =3D=3D >> email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ >> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 >> music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ >> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt >> =3D=3D >> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:16:54 -0500 > From: Francesco Levato > Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3D85?=3D > > In response to Laura Hinton and others wanting to continue the conversati= =3D > on. I=3D20 > too am in support of trying to continue the list in another format, and t= =3D > he idea of=3D20 > a Wordpress based discussion forum could work well. There are server load= =3D > =3D20 > issues with the email format of a list serv in that most server accounts = =3D > have a=3D20 > limit on the number of emails that can be sent per hour, so a list like t= =3D > his could=3D20 > potentially overwhelm such an account (university or corporate server acc= =3D > ounts=3D20 > don't have these restrictions, but are also expensive). So, a Wordpress h= =3D > osted=3D20 > discussion forum, without the mass email sending requirements might be > a=3D20=3D > > solution to this. It would need to be hosted on its own server (not at=3D= 20=3D > > Wordpres.com) so that we could customize as needed (maybe have category= =3D20=3D > > filters so you can look for discussions, calls for work, etc.). I could h= =3D > ost it on the=3D20 > Chicago School of Poetics site, but I'd like to see if there is any inter= =3D > est in this=3D20 > first as it would be some work to set up. > > Also, you can back channel me at: poet@francescolevato.com > > Many thanks to Charles and all the moderators for providing this resource= =3D > . > > Best, > Francesco > > > On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:23:53 -0500, Brian Clements > =3D20=3D > > wrote: > >> Please add my appreciation of Charles and the list managers to all of th= =3D > e=3D20 > collected expressions thus far. No future representation of poetry and po= =3D > etics of=3D20 > the last 20 years will be sufficient without taking into account the comm= =3D > unity,=3D20 > activity, and influence of the Poetics list.=3D20 >> >> As for ways to carry forward (re: Laura Hinton and others), I would thin= =3D > k that=3D20 > an invitation-only blog (through Wordpress, for example) would work simil= =3D > arly to=3D20 > this listserv, though I'm not sure a digest option would be possible.=3D2= 0 >> >> With gratitude, >> Brian Clements >> ________________________________________ >> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf=3D20=3D > > Of Laura Hinton [laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM] >> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:25 AM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: What will be missed =3D85 >> >> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual sp= =3D > ace >> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/o= =3D > r >> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such list= =3D > s >> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, many= =3D > of >> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >> >> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has provid= =3D > ed >> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >> >> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and puls= =3D > e. >> >> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this funct= =3D > ion >> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >> available? Any volunteers?) >> >> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't >> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate these= =3D > >> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >> >> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a >> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >> >> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-going= =3D > >> discussion: >> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >> >> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a >> potential list: >> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >> >> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >> >> Best to all, >> Laura >> >> >> -- >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> >> >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- Ci= =3D > rce* >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check gui=3D > delines &=3D20 > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check gui=3D > delines &=3D20 > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 22:18:14 +0100 > From: Anny Ballardini > Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D?windows-1252?Q?=3D85?=3D > > I am with Alan. I hate to see things go. Facebook has derailed us all. > > And thank you to Charles Bernstein, and all who have worked hard to keep > this list going. > Best wishes, > > Anny Ballardini > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote= : > >> I think, one way or another, the list should continue; Fb is bad for a >> number of reasons: it's noisy, the feeds are noisy, the privacy setting= s >> are arcane, things get lost in the mix, the constant advertising - >> including advertising in the midst of the feeds now - is bad, it's easy > t=3D > o >> spoof or hack, there are too many bells and whistles graphics, the mobi= le >> apps are limited, the software keeps trying to get you to fill out more >> personal information, discussions are often derailed, and a monthly >> updating of anything online is simply too slow at this point. Email is > fa=3D > r >> more secure, leaner, runs on a variety of clients, is easy to use on >> mobile, and comes to you; you can also save emails in a directory for >> future reference. I'd like to see someone take over the list at this > poin=3D > t >> and I hope that Charles would allow it to continue running until that > mig=3D > ht >> be a real possibility, at least a week or two. >> >> Thanks, Alan >> >> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Laura Hinton wrote: >> >> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual >>> space >>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language > and/o=3D > r >>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such > list=3D > s >>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, ma= ny >>> of >>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>> >>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has > provid=3D > ed >>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >>> >>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and > puls=3D > e. >>> >>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this >>> function >>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >>> available? Any volunteers?) >>> >>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don'= t >>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate the= se >>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>> >>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even = a >>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>> >>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-goi= ng >>> discussion: >>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>> >>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on = a >>> potential list: >>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>> >>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>> >>> Best to all, >>> Laura >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Laura Hinton >>> Professor of English >>> City College of New York >>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>> New York, New York 10031 >>> >>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>> >>> >>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >>> Circe* >>> >>> > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>> >>> >> =3D3D=3D3D >> email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ >> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 >> music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ >> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt >> =3D3D=3D3D >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > > > --=3D20 > Dott.ssa Anny Ballardini, MFA, PhD. > > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3D3Dpoetshome > http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > =3DAB Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique > vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae =3DBB > Giovenale > > Professionista di cui alla Legge n. 4 del 14 gennaio 2013, pubblicata nel= la > GU n. 22 del 26/01/2013 > > Freiberuflerin laut Gesetz Nr. 4 vom 14. J=3DE4nner 2013, ver=3DF6ffentli= cht im > Amtsblatt Nr. 22 vom 26.1.2013 > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 21:35:43 +0000 > From: Gerald Schwartz > Subject: For all who > > For all who > attended, > bewildered > sometimes, > instructed > always, > in > instances, > sure of > the "go on, > we will go on" > will toward all; > not only for > them, but > for all too! > Thank you. > > G. E. Schwartz > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 23:07:46 +0100 > From: Laura Hinton > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > Thanks for this, Jim! > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Jim Finnegan wrote: > >> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >> >> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're interested in >> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >> >> New-Poetry mailing list >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> Jim Finnegan >> >> >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------Dat= e: >> Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:32:51 -0500From: Charles Bernstein < >> Charles.Bernstein@English.Upenn.Edu>Subject: Poetics List (1993-2014)I >> started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo >> andco-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the foundin= g > of >> theElectronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radically >> newformat. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is n= ot >> longerviable for me to continue to sponsor the list.I want to thanks th= e >> list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999: JoelKuszai, Chris >> Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving moderator AmyKing. I a= m >> grateful to them for the work they have done.While I have not been acti= ve >> on the list in recent years, I do follow the posts.And over the years t= he >> list has been great company and the origin of friendshipsfor many of us > and >> some great conversations.More information on the list athttp:// >> epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.htmlThe archives should remain in >> place.Charles Bernstein=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DThe Poetics List >> is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub >> info: >> > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html------------------------------= Date > : >> Fri, 17 Jan >> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > > > -- > Laura Hinton > Professor of English > City College of New York > 138 at Convent Ave. > New York, New York 10031 > > www.mermaidtenementpress.com > http://www.chantdelasirene.com > > > *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you > coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- > Circe* > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 23:18:44 +0100 > From: Laura Hinton > Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D?windows-1252?Q?=3D85?=3D > > Count me in on this project. I love Wordpress =3D85 the only problem I'= ve > h=3D > ad > is dealing with a volume of users on a given site (ie., students), but it > sounds like your server can handle that. I've used Wordpress now many > times; the free software is clean to use and it can look great. And I > agree with Alan that Facebook has all those problems. > > I'm looking forward to working with you, Francesco. Poetics List 2 > everyone? > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Francesco Levato > wrote: > >> In response to Laura Hinton and others wanting to continue the >> conversation. I >> too am in support of trying to continue the list in another format, and >> the idea of >> a Wordpress based discussion forum could work well. There are server lo= ad >> issues with the email format of a list serv in that most server account= s >> have a >> limit on the number of emails that can be sent per hour, so a list like >> this could >> potentially overwhelm such an account (university or corporate server >> accounts >> don't have these restrictions, but are also expensive). So, a Wordpress >> hosted >> discussion forum, without the mass email sending requirements might be = a >> solution to this. It would need to be hosted on its own server (not at >> Wordpres.com) so that we could customize as needed (maybe have category >> filters so you can look for discussions, calls for work, etc.). I could >> host it on the >> Chicago School of Poetics site, but I'd like to see if there is any >> interest in this >> first as it would be some work to set up. >> >> Also, you can back channel me at: poet@francescolevato.com >> >> Many thanks to Charles and all the moderators for providing this > resource=3D > . >> >> Best, >> Francesco >> >> >> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:23:53 -0500, Brian Clements >> wrote: >> >>> Please add my appreciation of Charles and the list managers to all of > th=3D > e >> collected expressions thus far. No future representation of poetry and >> poetics of >> the last 20 years will be sufficient without taking into account the >> community, >> activity, and influence of the Poetics list. >>> >>> As for ways to carry forward (re: Laura Hinton and others), I would > thin=3D > k >> that >> an invitation-only blog (through Wordpress, for example) would work >> similarly to >> this listserv, though I'm not sure a digest option would be possible. >>> >>> With gratitude, >>> Brian Clements >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behal= f >> Of Laura Hinton [laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM] >>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:25 AM >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: What will be missed =3D85 >>> >>> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual >> space >>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language > and/o=3D > r >>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such > list=3D > s >>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, ma= ny >> of >>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>> >>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has > provid=3D > ed >>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >>> >>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and > puls=3D > e. >>> >>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this >> function >>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >>> available? Any volunteers?) >>> >>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don'= t >>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate the= se >>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>> >>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even = a >>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>> >>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-goi= ng >>> discussion: >>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>> >>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on = a >>> potential list: >>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>> >>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>> >>> Best to all, >>> Laura >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Laura Hinton >>> Professor of English >>> City College of New York >>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>> New York, New York 10031 >>> >>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>> >>> >>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >> Circe* >>> >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > > > --=3D20 > Laura Hinton > Professor of English > City College of New York > 138 at Convent Ave. > New York, New York 10031 > > www.mermaidtenementpress.com > http://www.chantdelasirene.com > > > *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you > coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- > Circe=3D > * > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:45:43 -0500 > From: Charles Bernstein > Subject: Onward! > > I am grateful for the many notes posted here in response to the closing o= f > the Poetics List. I want to thank, especially, Amy King, who has kept the > list going for the past years with considerable dedication and effort: he= r > generosity and acuity is appreciated. There seems considerable interest i= n > starting something new to take up where this list has left off. And it > must be > new, to meet the demands of the present. Onward! > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:39:52 -0600 > From: Marc Thompson > Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D?windows-1252?Q?=3D85?=3D > > Sign me up! > > Marc Thompson > On Jan 24, 2014 4:38 PM, "Laura Hinton" wrote: > >> Count me in on this project. I love Wordpress =3D85 the only problem > I've=3D > had >> is dealing with a volume of users on a given site (ie., students), but = it >> sounds like your server can handle that. I've used Wordpress now many >> times; the free software is clean to use and it can look great. And I >> agree with Alan that Facebook has all those problems. >> >> I'm looking forward to working with you, Francesco. Poetics List 2 >> everyone? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Francesco Levato >> wrote: >> >>> In response to Laura Hinton and others wanting to continue the >>> conversation. I >>> too am in support of trying to continue the list in another format, a= nd >>> the idea of >>> a Wordpress based discussion forum could work well. There are server > lo=3D > ad >>> issues with the email format of a list serv in that most server > account=3D > s >>> have a >>> limit on the number of emails that can be sent per hour, so a list li= ke >>> this could >>> potentially overwhelm such an account (university or corporate server >>> accounts >>> don't have these restrictions, but are also expensive). So, a Wordpre= ss >>> hosted >>> discussion forum, without the mass email sending requirements might b= e > =3D > a >>> solution to this. It would need to be hosted on its own server (not a= t >>> Wordpres.com) so that we could customize as needed (maybe have catego= ry >>> filters so you can look for discussions, calls for work, etc.). I cou= ld >>> host it on the >>> Chicago School of Poetics site, but I'd like to see if there is any >>> interest in this >>> first as it would be some work to set up. >>> >>> Also, you can back channel me at: poet@francescolevato.com >>> >>> Many thanks to Charles and all the moderators for providing this >> resource. >>> >>> Best, >>> Francesco >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:23:53 -0500, Brian Clements > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Please add my appreciation of Charles and the list managers to all o= f >> the >>> collected expressions thus far. No future representation of poetry an= d >>> poetics of >>> the last 20 years will be sufficient without taking into account the >>> community, >>> activity, and influence of the Poetics list. >>>> >>>> As for ways to carry forward (re: Laura Hinton and others), I would >> think >>> that >>> an invitation-only blog (through Wordpress, for example) would work >>> similarly to >>> this listserv, though I'm not sure a digest option would be possible. >>>> >>>> With gratitude, >>>> Brian Clements >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behal=3D > f >>> Of Laura Hinton [laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM] >>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:25 AM >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> Subject: What will be missed =3D85 >>>> >>>> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtua= l >>> space >>>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language >> and/or >>>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such >> lists >>>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, > ma=3D > ny >>> of >>>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>>> >>>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has >> provided >>>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posti= ng >>>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audienc= e. >>>> >>>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and >> pulse. >>>> >>>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this >>> function >>>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is update= d >>>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how th= is >>>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >>>> available? Any volunteers?) >>>> >>>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive wor= k >>>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I > don'=3D > t >>>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate > the=3D > se >>>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>>> >>>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >>>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, eve= n > =3D > a >>>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>>> >>>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for > on-goi=3D > ng >>>> discussion: >>>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>>> >>>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being o= n > =3D > a >>>> potential list: >>>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>>> >>>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>>> >>>> Best to all, >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Laura Hinton >>>> Professor of English >>>> City College of New York >>>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>>> New York, New York 10031 >>>> >>>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>>> >>>> >>>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -= - >>> Circe* >>>> >>>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & >>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & >>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3= D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm=3D > l >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> >> >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >> Circe* >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 18:00:36 -0500 > From: Mairead Byrne > Subject: Re: Onward! > > Amy is a force of nature, as are you, Charles. > Thank you both, and all moderators and generous contributors. > I think Jonathan said it best, with poetry (for a shaky second I thought = he > had actually *just written that!*). > It's great to see the energy being picked up too. > The list has died! Long live the list! > Mair=3DE9ad > > Professor of Poetry + Poetics > Department of Literary Arts + Studies > Division of Liberal Arts > Rhode Island School of Design > 2 College Street > Providence, RI 02903 > > > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Charles Bernstein < > Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: > >> I am grateful for the many notes posted here in response to the closing > o=3D > f >> the Poetics List. I want to thank, especially, Amy King, who has kept t= he >> list going for the past years with considerable dedication and effort: > he=3D > r >> generosity and acuity is appreciated. There seems considerable interest > i=3D > n >> starting something new to take up where this list has left off. And it >> must be >> new, to meet the demands of the present. Onward! >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:06:09 -0800 > From: Audrey Berry > Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D?utf-8?Q?=3DE2=3D80=3DA6?=3D > > I would love the list to live, and support it's transformation to its new > f=3D > orm or address. I agree with Alan that FB is not =3DC2=3DA0the best way t= o > host=3D > . I await someone with the wherewithal, and energy to hold us together. > Tha=3D > nks to Mairaid Byrne =3DC2=3DA0for tuning me in, and to the list for many > conne=3D > ctions, tips, emotions and leads.=3D0AAudrey Berry=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AOn = Friday, > Janu=3D > ary 24, 2014 4:03 PM, Ann Lederer wrote:=3D0A =3D0= AI > agr=3D > ee with Alan. I would miss this list.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AOn Fri, Jan 24, 2014 = at 1:10 > =3D > PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:=3D0A=3D0A> I think, one way= or > an=3D > other, the list should continue; Fb is bad for a=3D0A> number of reasons: > it'=3D > s noisy, the feeds are noisy, the privacy settings=3D0A> are arcane, thin= gs > g=3D > et lost in the mix, the constant advertising -=3D0A> including advertisin= g > in=3D > the midst of the feeds now - is bad, it's easy to=3D0A> spoof or hack, > there=3D > are too many bells and whistles graphics, the mobile=3D0A> apps are > limited,=3D > the software keeps trying to get you to fill out more=3D0A> personal > informa=3D > tion, discussions are often derailed, and a monthly=3D0A> updating of > anythin=3D > g online is simply too slow at this point. Email is far=3D0A> more secure= , > le=3D > aner, runs on a variety of clients, is easy to use on=3D0A> mobile, and > comes=3D > to you; you can also save emails in a directory for=3D0A> future referen= ce. > =3D > I'd like to see someone take over the list at this point=3D0A> and I hope > tha=3D > t Charles would allow it to continue running until that might=3D0A> be a > real=3D > possibility, at least a week or two.=3D0A>=3D0A> Thanks, Alan=3D0A>=3D0A= > =3D0A> On > F=3D > ri, 24 Jan 2014, Laura Hinton wrote:=3D0A>=3D0A>=3DC2=3DA0 One thing that= will be > s=3D > orely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual=3D0A>> space=3D0A>> for=3DC= 2=3DA0 > cal=3D > ls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/or=3D0A>> > mult=3D > i-media hybrid aesthetic.=3DC2=3DA0 The on-line general versions of such = lists=3D > =3D0A>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publication= s, > m=3D > any=3D0A>> of=3D0A>> which are alien to radical=3DC2=3DA0 "innovative wor= k."=3D0A>>=3D > =3D0A>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has > pro=3D > vided=3D0A>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just f= or > p=3D > osting=3D0A>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specifi= c > au=3D > dience.=3D0A>>=3D0A>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of commu= nity > i=3D > mpetus and pulse.=3D0A>>=3D0A>> Thus, unless someone knows about an > alternative=3D > space serving this=3D0A>> function=3D0A>> already, we might, for example= , > star=3D > t a Facebook page that is updated=3D0A>> monthly with those announcement > type=3D > materials.=3DC2=3DA0 I don't know how this=3D0A>> would work. There shou= ld > still=3D > be a moderator.=3DC2=3DA0 (Amy, are you still=3D0A>> available? Any > volunteers?)=3D > =3D0A>>=3D0A>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of > interactive=3D > work=3D0A>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar > with.=3DC2=3DA0=3D > And I don't=3D0A>> like the advertising and snoop-ware.=3DC2=3DA0 I wou= ld have > =3D > to investigate these=3D0A>> possibilities.=3DC2=3DA0 But I'm happy to try= to get > =3D > something going.=3D0A>>=3D0A>> We also need a space to announce calls for > paper=3D > s for conferences on=3D0A>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics > post=3D > s and journals, even a=3D0A>> space for remembrances of those poets who'v= e > pa=3D > ssed.=3D0A>>=3D0A>> Please advise.=3DC2=3DA0 You can backchannel me at my= personal > =3D > email for on-going=3D0A>> discussion:=3D0A>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. > =3D0A>>=3D0A>>=3D > And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on > a=3D0A=3D >>> potential list:=3D0A>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188=3D0A >>> =3D0A>>=3D > Charles, you started it.=3DC2=3DA0 We need to continue the work.=3D0A>>= =3D0A>> > Bes=3D > t to all,=3D0A>> Laura=3D0A>>=3D0A>>=3D0A>> --=3D0A>> Laura Hinton=3D0A>>= Professor of > =3D > English=3D0A>> City College of New York=3D0A>> 138 at Convent Ave.=3D0A>>= New > Yor=3D > k, New York 10031=3D0A>>=3D0A>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com=3D0A>> > http://www.ch=3D > antdelasirene.com=3D0A>>=3D0A>>=3D0A>> *"When your crew have taken you pa= st > these=3D > Sirens, I cannot give you=3D0A>> coherent directions as to which of two > cour=3D > ses you are to take..." --=3D0A>> Circe*=3D0A>>=3D0A>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D0A>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:29:37 -0800 > From: Joel Weishaus > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > Jim > > I just looked at this site, and see several people from the Poetics List > are already involved. > I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcements better > than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this list. > > Best Regards, > Joel > > -- > Joel Weishaus > Artist-in-Residence > Pacifica Graduate Institute > 249 Lambert Road > Carpinteria, CA 93013 > > Homepage: > http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 > Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: > www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm > > > > > > On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: >> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >> >> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're interested in > subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >> >> New-Poetry mailing list >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> Jim Finnegan >> >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:42:54 -0800 > From: jim andrews > Subject: lists > > Say what you will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages over = =3D > lists. Though I would like to see something better emerge that people =3D > will use as widely. > > One of the advantages is that you don't have to get information from =3D > people who bore you. You can just block their posts. I know lots of =3D > poets don't like that idea, of people being able to easily block others = =3D > from their info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing. A list is like = =3D > being in one single room with everyone subscribed to the list. It gets = =3D > old in a hurry. Windbags get at least equal time with more interesting = =3D > folks. > > The Facebook options on what information you get and to whom you send =3D > info are much more granular than list options. Those sorts of options =3D > are important, and they never materialized in listserv software. Lists = =3D > needed a more contemporary architecture of the group, of discussion, and = =3D > of the missive concerning who receives it based on permissions. > > ja > http://vispo.com=3D20=3D > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 18:47:50 -0600 > From: mIEKAL aND > Subject: Re: lists > > a hybrid interface of facebook/twitter/blog/listserv would involve a bit > more design but in the end could operate effortlessly. the real question = is > moderation or no moderation.' > > ~mIEKAL > > > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:42 PM, jim andrews wrote: > >> Say what you will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages over >> lists. Though I would like to see something better emerge that people > will >> use as widely. >> >> One of the advantages is that you don't have to get information from >> people who bore you. You can just block their posts. I know lots of poe= ts >> don't like that idea, of people being able to easily block others from >> their info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing. A list is like bei= ng >> in one single room with everyone subscribed to the list. It gets old in= a >> hurry. Windbags get at least equal time with more interesting folks. >> >> The Facebook options on what information you get and to whom you send > info >> are much more granular than list options. Those sorts of options are >> important, and they never materialized in listserv software. Lists > needed a >> more contemporary architecture of the group, of discussion, and of the >> missive concerning who receives it based on permissions. >> >> ja >> http://vispo.com >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500 > From: Murat Nemet-Nejat > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > I also think a discussion list would be the best way to go. > > Murat > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Joel Weishaus wrote: > >> Jim >> >> I just looked at this site, and see several people from the Poetics Lis= t >> are already involved. >> I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcements better >> than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this list. >> >> Best Regards, >> Joel >> >> -- >> Joel Weishaus >> Artist-in-Residence >> Pacifica Graduate Institute >> 249 Lambert Road >> Carpinteria, CA 93013 >> >> Homepage: >> http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >> Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: >> www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: >> >>> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're interested in >>> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> Jim Finnegan >>> >>> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 02:19:19 +0000 > From: David Seaman > Subject: Re: lists > > I become more aware each semester, as new internet courses, super sites, = a=3D > nd grade books are added, that the media go far beyond our poetic minds. = W=3D > e need to find a way to cherish the lonely poet on his bench outdoors or = s=3D > ulking in a smoke-filled study. These electronic media are wonderful for = b=3D > ringing some of us together, but we need a wider net. If i were hip I wou= l=3D > d finish by saying, 'just saying' but I am too old. What I want to say is= =3D > keep poets connected. Sometimes we only have each other to support > us.=3DA0=3D0A=3D > =3D0ADavid=3D0AOn Jan 24, 2014, at 07:47 PM, mIEKAL aND =3D >> wrote:=3D0A=3D0Aa hybrid interface of facebook/twitter/blog/listserv wo= uld i=3D > nvolve a bit=3D0Amore design but in the end could operate effortlessly. t= he =3D > real question is=3D0Amoderation or no > moderation.'=3D0A=3D0A~mIEKAL=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:42 PM, jim andrews > wrote:=3D0A=3D0AS=3D > ay what you will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages over=3D0= Ali=3D > sts. Though I would like to see something better emerge that people > will=3D0A=3D > use as widely.=3D0AOne of the advantages is that you don't have to get in= for=3D > mation from=3D0Apeople who bore you. You can just block their posts. I kn= ow =3D > lots of poets=3D0Adon't like that idea, of people being able to easily bl= ock=3D > others from=3D0Atheir info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing. A l= ist=3D > is like being=3D0Ain one single room with everyone subscribed to the lis= t. =3D > It gets old in a=3D0Ahurry. Windbags get at least equal time with more in= ter=3D > esting folks.=3D0AThe Facebook options on what information you get and to= wh=3D > om you send info=3D0Aare much more granular than list options. Those sort= s o=3D > f options are=3D0Aimportant, and they never materialized in listserv soft= war=3D > e. Lists needed a=3D0Amore contemporary architecture of the group, of dis= cus=3D > sion, and of the=3D0Amissive concerning who receives it based on permissi= ons=3D > .=3D0Aja=3D0Ahttp://vispo.com > =3D0A=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D0AThe Poetics List =3D > is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=3D0Aguidelines & sub/unsu= b i=3D > nfo: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=3D0A=3D0A=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D0AThe Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts.= Check > =3D > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=3D0A=3D > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ------------------------------ > > End of POETICS Digest - 23 Jan 2014 to 24 Jan 2014 (#2014-10) > ************************************************************* > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 11:00:50 -0800 Reply-To: amy king Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) - from the Moderator In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you, Mark, Mairead, and everyone else who didn't seem to think my ten= ure was the "gatekeeper-monster" a few painted me to be. =C2=A0What those l= atter folks don't know is that when Charles asked me to become the moderato= r, he was ready to retire the list those many years ago as he transitioned = over to teaching at Univ of Penn. =C2=A0The idea was to at least keep it go= ing at least as an announcements' list, which it has continued to serve as.= =C2=A0Along with the implementation of new guidelines back then, some of y= ou may have also noticed the change in the list's mission, which allowed th= e list to carry on in a new permutation, rather than dissolve it altogether= .=0A=0AAnyway, thanks much, Charles, for permitting the list to carry on an= d for trusting me in that role. =C2=A0And thanks again to those who used th= e list as a vehicle to sustain the world of poetics as so many of us broadl= y and variously define the word.=C2=A0=0A=0ABest,=0A=0AAmy=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A__= ___=0A=0A*=C2=A0Check my latest blog entries at Boston Review, Poetry Magaz= ine and the Rumpus.=0A=0A=0A* On Adrienne Rich: =C2=A0"No Place for the Lit= tle Lyric" - Poetry Foundation=C2=A0=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________________= _____=0A From: Mark =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFA= LO.EDU =0ASent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 3:17 AM=0ASubject: Re: Poetics L= ist (1993-2014)=0A =0A=0AThis reminds me a bit of the old days.=C2=A0 I'm a= ctually reading what everybody posts, because there's a genuine discussion,= an exchange.=C2=A0 Who knew?=0A=0AI neglected to thank Charles in my earli= er post, as well as everyone else who has been involved.=C2=A0 I think Amy = King's tenure as listmod, though, has been particularly noteworthy.=C2=A0 I= think she deserves special thanks, whether or not you agree with Miekal=E2= =80=94 and I certainly think he has a point=E2=80=94 that moderation has no= t served the list well in the long run.=C2=A0 Whether or not *moderation* i= s good for the list or not, though, is an entirely separate matter from the= various moderators themselves.=C2=A0 All have been very good, but Amy King= did it for incredibly long, and her tenure seems to have been seamless, wi= thout controversy.=C2=A0 (I say 'seems,' of course, because I haven't been = reading every post, like I did in the old days.)=0A=0AThis list, clearly, h= as been a special exchange for many of us, at least at some time or another= , and that energy still exists and clearly (not just for myself) needs anot= her outlet.=C2=A0 I am hoping we can collectively figure out how to channel= it.=C2=A0 I agree with those who said (as I previously said) that FB is no= t a good medium for such an exchange.=C2=A0 I personally like the listserv/= email technological model, but that may not work for most people, especiall= y as technology evolves.=C2=A0 I agree that the need exists, not just for d= iscussion and exchange of ideas, but for basic information as to what's goi= ng on.=C2=A0 I never thought that calls for work or publication announcemen= ts were inherently less important than exchange of ideas.=C2=A0 Alan Sondhe= im usefully points out that for those of us who do not live in NYC or, perh= aps, SF, the List is a much-needed vehicle to grasp the full scope of liter= ary activity in our time, much less to figure out where, when or if we want to "submit."=C2=A0 The fact of moderation has limited the spontaneity= of exchange, and as a result exchange itself.=C2=A0 Yet it is ALSO true th= at flamers and narcissists, when they arise (and they will, eventually) nee= d to quietly and efficiently be moved aside.=C2=A0 Can there be spontaneity= within moderation?=C2=A0 Can there be collective ways of dealing with the = flamers which bypass listmods?=C2=A0 Who knows?=0A=0ALet the Poetics List 2= begin, either through institutional sponsorship or "under that table," so = to speak.=C2=A0 (And, thinking ecologically, I wonder which model would be = more sustainable, for a generation or more.)=0A=0ALaura Hinton, I'm in=E2= =80=94 whatever evolves.=0A=0AWhat's that Pound line about "commerce betwee= n us?"=0A=0AYours in (poetic) struggle=E2=80=94=0A=0A=0AMark DuCharme=0A=0A= =0AMark DuCharme=0A=0AMiekal's point, of course, was that=0A=0A> Date: Fri,= 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500=0A> From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM=0A> Subject: Re: Po= etics List (1993-2014)=0A> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A> =0A> ------= ---------------- Information from the mail header -----------------------= =0A> Sender:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" =0A> Poster:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Murat Nemet-Nejat =0A> Subject:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Re: Poetics List (1993-2014)= =0A> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------=0A> =0A> I also think a discussion list would be the best way to = go.=0A> =0A> Murat=0A> =0A> =0A> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Joel Weis= haus wrote:=0A> =0A> > Jim=0A> >=0A> > I just looked at = this site, and see several people from the Poetics List=0A> > are already i= nvolved.=0A> > I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcem= ents better=0A> > than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this= list.=0A> >=0A> > Best Regards,=0A> > Joel=0A> >=0A> > --=0A> > Joel Weish= aus=0A> > Artist-in-Residence=0A> > Pacifica Graduate Institute=0A> > 249 L= ambert Road=0A> > Carpinteria, CA 93013=0A> >=0A> > Homepage:=0A> > http://= web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282=0A> > Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities:=0A> > = www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >= =0A> > On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote:=0A> >=0A> >> Thanks to Ch= arles, all the moderators, and the members...=0A> >>=C2=A0 Nothing will ev= ery replace Poetics List, but if you're interested in=0A> >> subbing to New= Poetry, here's the link...=0A> >>=C2=A0 New-Poetry mailing list=0A> >> htt= p://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry=0A> >>=0A> >> Jim Finnegan= =0A> >>=0A> >>=0A> >=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed of such options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: reJennifer Bartlett Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Murat (and others), I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been attacked on the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that she quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato wrote: > My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have an > automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam > attacks, but > someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the > board. So, > hopefully moderation will help on that end. > > Best, > Francesco > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > -- http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:24:18 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Seaman Subject: Onward MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Please include me in any new variant of the list. For me it is a way to ov= ercome a sense of isolation. I am dismayed by the reports of bad behavior.= From my small town in Georgia (USA) I am connected with poets on at least= four continents. Caterina Davinio brought many of us together in her Veni= ce Biennale Global virtual poetry reading. I am honored to be a part of th= is community.=A0= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:09:44 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetics List Subject: Re: New discussion board open Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" The Poetics List @ Buffalo will cease all operations at the end of the mo= nth. For=20 those interested in joining the new Poetics List @ the Chicago School of = Poetics:=20 **sign up at the web address provide by Francesco Levato and direct any=20= queries to him.** The new list requires that your *subscribe yourself* --= and it=20 is already active. Any requests about the new list should to be sent to t= he new=20 list: there is a forum beginning there on suggestions for list features.=20= Requests to subscribe to the new list will not be posted here.=20 On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 19:19:27 -0500, Francesco Levato=20 wrote: > Ok, I have a first run of the new discussion board online at: > > http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:05:34 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Francesco Levato Subject: Sign up for the new Poetics List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Just a quick note to say thank you all for your support in regards to the= new=20 Poetics List at the Chicago School of Poetics.=20 The discussion board is running, many users have registered, and calls fo= r work=20 have already been posted. In order to post you will need to register at the new website (unfortunat= ely I=20 can=92t port the old Buffalo List member accounts over to the new site, s= orry for=20 the inconvenience).=20 You can register directly at: http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/wp-login.php?action=3Dregis= ter Please be sure to read the =93Initial Notes=94 post: http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/forums/topic/initial-notes/= as well as the =93Poetics List Updates=94 post: http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/forums/topic/poetics-list-u= pdates/ If you have any trouble registering or posting, please email me at: poeticslist@chicagoschoolofpoetics.com Best, Francesco -- Francesco Levato Director, Chicago School of Poetics http://www.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:11:34 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, reJennifer, As far as I am concerned with, the hardest thing the poet suffers from the public is indifference. I am not questioning your right to put forward or defend or argue for your position. If they are truly controversial, as you say you are, people will react to it, not necessarily the way you like. It means they read what you wrote. You can respond or ignore them. There have always been poets with disabilities. Homer, if an actual person, was blind. Alexander Pope was a dwarf. I am sure others can add to the list. Generalizing the term, all of us have our weaknesses and strength. The interactions of both create the quality, the nature of the work. Ciao, Murat On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 2:08 PM, reJennifer Bartlett wrote: > Murat (and others), > > I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been attacked on > the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that she > quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato < > poet@francescolevato.com >> wrote: > >> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have an >> automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam >> attacks, but >> someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the >> board. So, >> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >> >> Best, >> Francesco >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants >> will be informed of such options. >> > > > > -- > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to > . > ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:16:09 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Laura Hinton Subject: Re: New discussion board open In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear everyone -- Note that Francesco Levato has started up a WORDPRESS INCARNATION of our Poetics List. But you have to sign up for the site yourselves. We are not collecting emails! As per his earlier message below, you just go to the link: http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ Follow the instructions to log in. I did this no problem. (Feel free to backchannel me if you have an issue. I'll see if I can help you solve it.) And great news -- Amy King has agreed to moderate! I just wanted to re-annouince this new development so you all sign on, and also to note we should heartily thank Francesco and now Amy for making this continuation of a moderated posting Poetics List site possible. In gratitude to both, Laura On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Francesco Levato wrote: > Ok, I have a first run of the new discussion board online at: > > http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ > > This is just a start. If the discussion board proves useful in continuing > the work > of the Buffalo Poetics List, I will work to update and improve it based o= n > member suggestions (I have a forum set up to post suggestions). Also, > please > feel free leave any feedback you may have in the =93Feedback=94 forum. > > Some initial notes: > > The design of the discussion board is minimalist. I didn=92t want the > interface to > interfere with usability. I am open to suggestions though.
 > > There seemed to be a balance of pros and cons for moving the list > discussions to > Facebook or other social media platforms, so I=92m going to try and addre= ss > some > of those suggestions in the current discussion board=92s functionality. > &#8232; > > Filtering posts: while we can block posts from certain users (as on FB), = I > thought > implementing a way to filter posts by category (if you chose) would be > useful. > So, I=92ve added a series of category tags to start with for this purpose > (publications, book releases, announcements, opportunities, discussion, > events, > readings, and submissions). When you post you can also suggest your own > tags > to expand on this list.
 > > Notifications to your FB wall: I will be creating a FB page that will > automatically > be receiving posts made to the discussion board for those of you who woul= d > rather follow the list on FB.
 > Twitter: for those of you would would rather receive list notifications > via twitter, > I=92ve set up an account for the list @PoeticsList. The discussion baord = will > automatically tweet new posts to this Twitter feed (this is in the works > but will > be ready soon).
 > > A note on moderation: to avoid the board being spammed by trolls or > automated > spambots, I think it=92s best to keep it a moderated discussion. So, it w= ill > still be a > short wait before your post is approved. I could use some volunteer > moderators > to help, so if you=92re interested please email me at: > poeticslist@chicagoschoolofpoetics.com
 > > Registration: again, to avoid spam we will need to have users register > before > they can post. There=92s no approval process, just register and start > posting.
 > > Hosting: I=92m hosting this on the CSoP=92s server, but it is intended fo= r all > members > of the former Buffalo Poetics List. So, rather than having you go to > CSoP=92s main > website to access the board, I installed it on a subdomain. When you clic= k > on the > link listed above you will be taken directly into the discusion > board.&#8232; > > And finally, the Buffalo Poetics List has been a daily stop for me for > many years. > I appreciate all the list has offered and the community involved in it. > Setting up > the Poetics List @ Chicago School of Poetics is just a way for me to give > back to > that community. I hope you ind it useful. > > > Best, > Francesco Levato > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > --=20 Laura Hinton Professor of English City College of New York 138 at Convent Ave. New York, New York 10031 www.mermaidtenementpress.com http://www.chantdelasirene.com *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- Circe= * =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:46:16 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Walsh Mills Subject: Fare forward MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, all the years of lurking, reading, clicking links are over. Thanks to Charles for starting it all and to everyone who kept it going, and here's to the next stage. Best to all Billy ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:56:35 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Margaret Watson Subject: Thank you for a stimulating weekend! In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's better than the movies. Comments, rebuttals, gratitudes, future lives. In the cold and snow, thank you for a warm weekend with endless conversation. And to Charles who began something that has sustained so many poets. To Amy for taking up the reins and now again, to begin anew with a cast that puts the Oscars barely in competition. Yes, I'm a lurker but now digging in. Thank you for this amazing opportunity. And deepest gratitude. Taylor ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:25:41 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ryan Daley Subject: Re: New discussion board open In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to Charles and to everyone on this list who makes this list such a valuable source of information and comings, goings and publishings. See you on wordpress. Warm Regards, Ryan On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Laura Hinton wrot= e: > Dear everyone -- > > Note that Francesco Levato has started up a WORDPRESS INCARNATION of our > Poetics List. But you have to sign up for the site yourselves. We are n= ot > collecting emails! > > As per his earlier message below, you just go to the link: > > http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ > > Follow the instructions to log in. I did this no problem. (Feel free t= o > backchannel me if you have an issue. I'll see if I can help you solve it.= ) > > And great news -- Amy King has agreed to moderate! > > I just wanted to re-annouince this new development so you all sign on, an= d > also to note we should heartily thank Francesco and now Amy for making th= is > continuation of a moderated posting Poetics List site possible. > > In gratitude to both, > Laura > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Francesco Levato > wrote: > >> Ok, I have a first run of the new discussion board online at: >> >> http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ >> >> This is just a start. If the discussion board proves useful in continui= ng >> the work >> of the Buffalo Poetics List, I will work to update and improve it based > on >> member suggestions (I have a forum set up to post suggestions). Also, >> please >> feel free leave any feedback you may have in the =93Feedback=94 forum. >> >> Some initial notes: >> >> The design of the discussion board is minimalist. I didn=92t want the >> interface to >> interfere with usability. I am open to suggestions though.
 >> >> There seemed to be a balance of pros and cons for moving the list >> discussions to >> Facebook or other social media platforms, so I=92m going to try and add= ress >> some >> of those suggestions in the current discussion board=92s functionality. >> &#8232; >> >> Filtering posts: while we can block posts from certain users (as on FB)= , > I >> thought >> implementing a way to filter posts by category (if you chose) would be >> useful. >> So, I=92ve added a series of category tags to start with for this purpo= se >> (publications, book releases, announcements, opportunities, discussion, >> events, >> readings, and submissions). When you post you can also suggest your own >> tags >> to expand on this list.
 >> >> Notifications to your FB wall: I will be creating a FB page that will >> automatically >> be receiving posts made to the discussion board for those of you who > would >> rather follow the list on FB.
 >> Twitter: for those of you would would rather receive list notifications >> via twitter, >> I=92ve set up an account for the list @PoeticsList. The discussion baor= d > will >> automatically tweet new posts to this Twitter feed (this is in the work= s >> but will >> be ready soon).
 >> >> A note on moderation: to avoid the board being spammed by trolls or >> automated >> spambots, I think it=92s best to keep it a moderated discussion. So, it > will >> still be a >> short wait before your post is approved. I could use some volunteer >> moderators >> to help, so if you=92re interested please email me at: >> poeticslist@chicagoschoolofpoetics.com
 >> >> Registration: again, to avoid spam we will need to have users register >> before >> they can post. There=92s no approval process, just register and start >> posting.
 >> >> Hosting: I=92m hosting this on the CSoP=92s server, but it is intended = for > all >> members >> of the former Buffalo Poetics List. So, rather than having you go to >> CSoP=92s main >> website to access the board, I installed it on a subdomain. When you > click >> on the >> link listed above you will be taken directly into the discusion >> board.&#8232; >> >> And finally, the Buffalo Poetics List has been a daily stop for me for >> many years. >> I appreciate all the list has offered and the community involved in it. >> Setting up >> the Poetics List @ Chicago School of Poetics is just a way for me to gi= ve >> back to >> that community. I hope you ind it useful. >> >> >> Best, >> Francesco Levato >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; plea= se >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend th= e >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participant= s >> will be informed of such options. >> > > > > -- > Laura Hinton > Professor of English > City College of New York > 138 at Convent Ave. > New York, New York 10031 > > www.mermaidtenementpress.com > http://www.chantdelasirene.com > > > *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you > coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- > Circe* > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go = to > . > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:23:59 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: <20140126201301.D47C7AB96@postscanA.acsu.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well said=2C Murat. I hadn't known that about Pope=2C BTW. I would add th= at a poet more to my liking=2C Larry Eigner=2C suffered from cerebral palsy= . Best=2C Mark > Date: Sun=2C 26 Jan 2014 15:11:34 -0500 > From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > =20 > ---------------------- Information from the mail header -----------------= ------ > Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn=2C UB)" > Poster: Murat Nemet-Nejat > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > =20 > Hi=2C reJennifer=2C > =20 > As far as I am concerned with=2C the hardest thing the poet suffers from = the > public is indifference. I am not questioning your right to put forward or > defend or argue for your position. If they are truly controversial=2C as = you > say you are=2C people will react to it=2C not necessarily the way you lik= e. It > means they read what you wrote. You can respond or ignore them. There hav= e > always been poets with disabilities. Homer=2C if an actual person=2C was = blind. > Alexander Pope was a dwarf. I am sure others can add to the list. > Generalizing the term=2C all of us have our weaknesses and strength. The > interactions of both create the quality=2C the nature of the work. > =20 > Ciao=2C > =20 > Murat > =20 > =20 > On Sun=2C Jan 26=2C 2014 at 2:08 PM=2C reJennifer Bartlett > wrote: > =20 >> Murat (and others)=2C >> >> I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been attacke= d on >> the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that sh= e >> quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. >> >> >> On Sun=2C Jan 26=2C 2014 at 12:42 PM=2C Francesco Levato < >> poet@francescolevato.com >>> wrote: >> >>> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have= an >>> automated system in place=2C on the new list=2C to stop automated spa= m >>> attacks=2C but >>> someone could still register for real=2C than send spam messages to t= he >>> board. So=2C >>> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >>> >>> Best=2C >>> Francesco >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014=3B = please >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE th= is >>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend = the >>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participa= nts >>> will be informed of such options. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014=3B pl= ease >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chica= go >> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list g= o to >> . >> > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014=3B plea= se do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be avail= able at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School= of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:42:26 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: <20140126192353.98BF013721@postscanC.acsu.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That said=2C I believe what Jennifer is describing is abusive responses to = her position. Look=2C anyone is entitled to his or her opinion (expressed = appropriately=2C and with appropriate regard for others). Murat has a poin= t that if you know it will be seen as "controversial" (I myself don't neces= sarily see why that would be the case=2C based on what Jennifer writes) the= n you should expect=2C and be prepared for=2C some pushback. However=2C yo= ur point=2C Jennifer=2C unless I misread you=2C is that some of the respons= es you have received have gone *beyond* controversy toward abuse or borderl= ine abuse. And I find that stunning. I'm not sure what to tell you except= =2C if you can find the courage=2C don't let yourself be silenced. And if = you need supporters in these (did you say they were online?) forums=2C mayb= e some of the members of this list would be willing to turn out electronica= lly to call abuse what it is. I'd be willing. Send me a message=2C includ= ing info on how to create an account=2C if that happens again. Perhaps als= o provide more details/context. Is anyone else in? It's really not cool to behave abusively toward the dif= ferently abled=2C whether online or in person. Let's call that behavior ou= t. Mark DuCharme > Date: Sun=2C 26 Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500 > From: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > =20 > ---------------------- Information from the mail header -----------------= ------ > Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn=2C UB)" > Poster: reJennifer Bartlett > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > =20 > Murat (and others)=2C > =20 > I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been attacked = on > the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that she > quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. > =20 > =20 > On Sun=2C Jan 26=2C 2014 at 12:42 PM=2C Francesco Levato > wrote: > =20 >> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have a= n >> automated system in place=2C on the new list=2C to stop automated spam >> attacks=2C but >> someone could still register for real=2C than send spam messages to the >> board. So=2C >> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >> >> Best=2C >> Francesco >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014=3B pl= ease >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend th= e >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participant= s >> will be informed of such options. >> > =20 > =20 > =20 > --=20 > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014=3B plea= se do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be avail= able at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School= of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:55:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Subject: Re: New discussion board open In-Reply-To: <20140126202128.1E5EC2FAB@postscanB.acsu.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also think we should thank Francesco and Amy. This is thankless work for= people who=2C I'm sure=2C are busy. So=2C well=97 thanks to them! Regarding moderation=97 if anyone has particular concerns or suggested grou= nd rules=2C let's get that out of the way now. I think it's very fair=2C f= or example=2C to say that flaming will not be tolerated=3B a problem may ar= ise=2C though=2C in what=2C precisely constitutes flaming. I know I recent= ly said something on FB that was taken very=2C very=2C very differently tha= n I'd intended=97 and this by someone with whom I've often had=2C mostly el= ectronic=2C but open-minded exchanges. One person's fair comment might be = another's flame=2C or vice versa=2C and there seems more potential for misr= eading online than misunderstanding in person. Are there ground rules we c= an set now that might make this process easier/more transparent going forwa= rd? Amy=2C what ground rules have you used (or which ones would you sugges= t) when moderating? Miekal=2C what are your concerns? I think this might be an important discussion to have sooner than later. Mark DuCharme > Date: Sun=2C 26 Jan 2014 21:16:09 +0100 > From: laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: New discussion board open > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > =20 > ---------------------- Information from the mail header -----------------= ------ > Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn=2C UB)" > Poster: Laura Hinton > Subject: Re: New discussion board open > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > =20 > Dear everyone -- > =20 > Note that Francesco Levato has started up a WORDPRESS INCARNATION of our > Poetics List. But you have to sign up for the site yourselves. We are n= ot > collecting emails! > =20 > As per his earlier message below=2C you just go to the link: > =20 > http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ > =20 > Follow the instructions to log in. I did this no problem. (Feel free t= o > backchannel me if you have an issue. I'll see if I can help you solve it.= ) > =20 > And great news -- Amy King has agreed to moderate! > =20 > I just wanted to re-annouince this new development so you all sign on=2C = and > also to note we should heartily thank Francesco and now Amy for making th= is > continuation of a moderated posting Poetics List site possible. > =20 > In gratitude to both=2C > Laura > =20 > =20 > On Sun=2C Jan 26=2C 2014 at 1:19 AM=2C Francesco Levato > wrote: > =20 >> Ok=2C I have a first run of the new discussion board online at: >> >> http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ >> >> This is just a start. If the discussion board proves useful in continui= ng >> the work >> of the Buffalo Poetics List=2C I will work to update and improve it bas= ed o=3D > n >> member suggestions (I have a forum set up to post suggestions). Also=2C >> please >> feel free leave any feedback you may have in the =3D93Feedback=3D94 for= um. >> >> Some initial notes: >> >> The design of the discussion board is minimalist. I didn=3D92t want the >> interface to >> interfere with usability. I am open to suggestions though.
=3B >> >> There seemed to be a balance of pros and cons for moving the list >> discussions to >> Facebook or other social media platforms=2C so I=3D92m going to try and= addre=3D > ss >> some >> of those suggestions in the current discussion board=3D92s functionalit= y. >> &=3B#8232=3B >> >> Filtering posts: while we can block posts from certain users (as on FB)= =2C =3D > I >> thought >> implementing a way to filter posts by category (if you chose) would be >> useful. >> So=2C I=3D92ve added a series of category tags to start with for this p= urpose >> (publications=2C book releases=2C announcements=2C opportunities=2C dis= cussion=2C >> events=2C >> readings=2C and submissions). When you post you can also suggest your o= wn >> tags >> to expand on this list.
=3B >> >> Notifications to your FB wall: I will be creating a FB page that will >> automatically >> be receiving posts made to the discussion board for those of you who wo= ul=3D > d >> rather follow the list on FB.
=3B >> Twitter: for those of you would would rather receive list notifications >> via twitter=2C >> I=3D92ve set up an account for the list @PoeticsList. The discussion ba= ord =3D > will >> automatically tweet new posts to this Twitter feed (this is in the work= s >> but will >> be ready soon).
=3B >> >> A note on moderation: to avoid the board being spammed by trolls or >> automated >> spambots=2C I think it=3D92s best to keep it a moderated discussion. So= =2C it w=3D > ill >> still be a >> short wait before your post is approved. I could use some volunteer >> moderators >> to help=2C so if you=3D92re interested please email me at: >> poeticslist@chicagoschoolofpoetics.com
=3B >> >> Registration: again=2C to avoid spam we will need to have users registe= r >> before >> they can post. There=3D92s no approval process=2C just register and sta= rt >> posting.
=3B >> >> Hosting: I=3D92m hosting this on the CSoP=3D92s server=2C but it is int= ended fo=3D > r all >> members >> of the former Buffalo Poetics List. So=2C rather than having you go to >> CSoP=3D92s main >> website to access the board=2C I installed it on a subdomain. When you = clic=3D > k >> on the >> link listed above you will be taken directly into the discusion >> board.&=3B#8232=3B >> >> And finally=2C the Buffalo Poetics List has been a daily stop for me fo= r >> many years. >> I appreciate all the list has offered and the community involved in it. >> Setting up >> the Poetics List @ Chicago School of Poetics is just a way for me to gi= ve >> back to >> that community. I hope you ind it useful. >> >> >> Best=2C >> Francesco Levato >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014=3B pl= ease >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend th= e >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participant= s >> will be informed of such options. >> > =20 > =20 > =20 > --=3D20 > Laura Hinton > Professor of English > City College of New York > 138 at Convent Ave. > New York=2C New York 10031 > =20 > www.mermaidtenementpress.com > http://www.chantdelasirene.com > =20 > =20 > *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens=2C I cannot give you > coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- Cir= ce=3D > * > =20 > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014=3B plea= se do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be avail= able at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School= of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:39:10 +0100 Reply-To: argotist@fsmail.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: The new ebook from Argotist Ebooks is =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9CSlimvol=E2=80=9D_?= by Jeffrey Side. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The new ebook from Argotist Ebooks is =E2=80=9CSlimvol=E2=80=9D by Jeffrey = Side. 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Matthew Klane's FROM OF THE DAY and the Delet-e Series MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Friends, Delete Press is pleased to announce the first book in our Delet-e Series, *from Of the Day*, by Matthew Klane. The book is available for free at the Delete Press website: deletepress.org Matthew's book can be read normally, or via the internal links, requiring minimal scrolling (with a few embedded surprises along the way!). We hope you enjoy this latest installment from Delete Press, and from this wonderful poet. All the best, Delete ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 10:18:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ricky Ray Subject: Re: New discussion board open In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've helped shape the moderation guidelines for music forums before, and the main concerns I've seen formulated surround spamming (by bots and individuals), breaking forum rules, and acts of disrespect, aggression, etc. Spamming and rule-breaking I've found to be generally self-evident, disrespect/aggression a bunch of blurry lines. It can help if there are multiple moderators, and a moderators' thread where questionable behavior is brought for review and action, whether by unanimity, majority, whatever. It can also help to have moderator behavior open for questioning, and have at least one rotating moderator spot if someone's willing to manage that and there are enough willing participants. Ricky On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Mark wrote: > I also think we should thank Francesco and Amy. This is thankless work > for people who, I'm sure, are busy. So, well=97 thanks to them! > > Regarding moderation=97 if anyone has particular concerns or suggested > ground rules, let's get that out of the way now. I think it's very fair, > for example, to say that flaming will not be tolerated; a problem may > arise, though, in what, precisely constitutes flaming. I know I recently > said something on FB that was taken very, very, very differently than I'd > intended=97 and this by someone with whom I've often had, mostly electron= ic, > but open-minded exchanges. One person's fair comment might be another's > flame, or vice versa, and there seems more potential for misreading onlin= e > than misunderstanding in person. Are there ground rules we can set now > that might make this process easier/more transparent going forward? Amy, > what ground rules have you used (or which ones would you suggest) when > moderating? Miekal, what are your concerns? > > I think this might be an important discussion to have sooner than later. > > Mark DuCharme > >> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:16:09 +0100 >> From: laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM >> Subject: Re: New discussion board open >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> >> ---------------------- Information from the mail header > ----------------------- >> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" >> Poster: Laura Hinton >> Subject: Re: New discussion board open >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ >> >> Dear everyone -- >> >> Note that Francesco Levato has started up a WORDPRESS INCARNATION of ou= r >> Poetics List. But you have to sign up for the site yourselves. We are > not >> collecting emails! >> >> As per his earlier message below, you just go to the link: >> >> http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ >> >> Follow the instructions to log in. I did this no problem. (Feel free > to >> backchannel me if you have an issue. I'll see if I can help you solve > it.) >> >> And great news -- Amy King has agreed to moderate! >> >> I just wanted to re-annouince this new development so you all sign on, > and >> also to note we should heartily thank Francesco and now Amy for making > this >> continuation of a moderated posting Poetics List site possible. >> >> In gratitude to both, >> Laura >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Francesco Levato >> wrote: >> >>> Ok, I have a first run of the new discussion board online at: >>> >>> http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ >>> >>> This is just a start. If the discussion board proves useful in > continuing >>> the work >>> of the Buffalo Poetics List, I will work to update and improve it > based o=3D >> n >>> member suggestions (I have a forum set up to post suggestions). Also, >>> please >>> feel free leave any feedback you may have in the =3D93Feedback=3D94 f= orum. >>> >>> Some initial notes: >>> >>> The design of the discussion board is minimalist. I didn=3D92t want t= he >>> interface to >>> interfere with usability. I am open to suggestions though. >>> >>> There seemed to be a balance of pros and cons for moving the list >>> discussions to >>> Facebook or other social media platforms, so I=3D92m going to try and > addre=3D >> ss >>> some >>> of those suggestions in the current discussion board=3D92s functional= ity. >>> 
 >>> >>> Filtering posts: while we can block posts from certain users (as on > FB), =3D >> I >>> thought >>> implementing a way to filter posts by category (if you chose) would b= e >>> useful. >>> So, I=3D92ve added a series of category tags to start with for this > purpose >>> (publications, book releases, announcements, opportunities, discussio= n, >>> events, >>> readings, and submissions). When you post you can also suggest your o= wn >>> tags >>> to expand on this list. >>> >>> Notifications to your FB wall: I will be creating a FB page that will >>> automatically >>> be receiving posts made to the discussion board for those of you who > woul=3D >> d >>> rather follow the list on FB. >>> Twitter: for those of you would would rather receive list notificatio= ns >>> via twitter, >>> I=3D92ve set up an account for the list @PoeticsList. The discussion > baord =3D >> will >>> automatically tweet new posts to this Twitter feed (this is in the > works >>> but will >>> be ready soon). >>> >>> A note on moderation: to avoid the board being spammed by trolls or >>> automated >>> spambots, I think it=3D92s best to keep it a moderated discussion. So= , > it w=3D >> ill >>> still be a >>> short wait before your post is approved. I could use some volunteer >>> moderators >>> to help, so if you=3D92re interested please email me at: >>> poeticslist@chicagoschoolofpoetics.com >>> >>> Registration: again, to avoid spam we will need to have users registe= r >>> before >>> they can post. There=3D92s no approval process, just register and sta= rt >>> posting. >>> >>> Hosting: I=3D92m hosting this on the CSoP=3D92s server, but it is int= ended > fo=3D >> r all >>> members >>> of the former Buffalo Poetics List. So, rather than having you go to >>> CSoP=3D92s main >>> website to access the board, I installed it on a subdomain. When you > clic=3D >> k >>> on the >>> link listed above you will be taken directly into the discusion >>> board.
 >>> >>> And finally, the Buffalo Poetics List has been a daily stop for me fo= r >>> many years. >>> I appreciate all the list has offered and the community involved in i= t. >>> Setting up >>> the Poetics List @ Chicago School of Poetics is just a way for me to > give >>> back to >>> that community. I hope you ind it useful. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> Francesco Levato >>> >>> > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE > this >>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend > the >>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all > participants >>> will be informed of such options. >>> >> >> >> >> --=3D20 >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> >> >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- > Circe=3D >> * >> >> > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go = to > . > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go = to > . > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:48:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mark, Of course, Larry Eigner is behind all these discussions. I am aware there is a difference between disagreement and abuse, but I don't think that distinction in the periphery is always that clear. A response that has an emotional edge to it (why should there not be if the issues are important), may possibly seen by the other party as abusive while it may not be so. For instance, is an ironic or sarcastic response abusive? That is why I began this discussion by asking that question. Murat On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Mark wrote: > That said, I believe what Jennifer is describing is abusive responses to > her position. Look, anyone is entitled to his or her opinion (expressed > appropriately, and with appropriate regard for others). Murat has a point > that if you know it will be seen as "controversial" (I myself don't > necessarily see why that would be the case, based on what Jennifer writes) > then you should expect, and be prepared for, some pushback. However, your > point, Jennifer, unless I misread you, is that some of the responses you > have received have gone *beyond* controversy toward abuse or borderline > abuse. And I find that stunning. I'm not sure what to tell you except, if > you can find the courage, don't let yourself be silenced. And if you need > supporters in these (did you say they were online?) forums, maybe some of > the members of this list would be willing to turn out electronically to > call abuse what it is. I'd be willing. Send me a message, including info > on how to create an account, if that happens again. Perhaps also provide > more details/context. > > Is anyone else in? It's really not cool to behave abusively toward the > differently abled, whether online or in person. Let's call that behavior > out. > > Mark DuCharme > >> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500 >> From: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM >> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> >> ---------------------- Information from the mail header > ----------------------- >> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" >> Poster: reJennifer Bartlett >> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Murat (and others), >> >> I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been attacked > on >> the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that she >> quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato < > poet@francescolevato.com >>> wrote: >> >>> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have > an >>> automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam >>> attacks, but >>> someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the >>> board. So, >>> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >>> >>> Best, >>> Francesco >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE > this >>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend > the >>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all > participants >>> will be informed of such options. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to > . > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to > . > ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:19:57 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: reJennifer Bartlett Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Mark, Thank you so much for your support - it makes me feel really heard. You mentioned Eigner. I am writing a biography on him, doing some archival work, and assisting with permissions for his works. It's a non-stop adventure. Yes, I haven't spoken about irt publicly, but once I wrote a "column" on my blog about using the word 'retarded." Some creeps got ahold of my photograph and put my picture up on their list-serv mocking me ruthlessly. They emailed me both at home and Montclair state (where I taught) to make sure I saw it. This was devastating. I also got quite a bit of slack for calling Paul Guest out on letting Ashbery refer to him as "invalid" as did also mary Kerr. You would think that respecting the rights of people with disabilities is a no-brainer. But, really, it is controversial and when I speak up often I am shot down or ignored. Although I realize that my opions are extreme...I for example am perfectly happy having cerebral palsy - it's just who I am! But most want to pity you or believe you would be better off abled and that you wish for that. When you say - I'm disabled and happy with who I am - people will react strongly and negatively. That said, I haven't had much trouble on the list, here. I think Amy has been a gem. And I have chosen to speak up minimally here because (really) I feel as a girl poet, I am speaking into an empty well & many of my comments are just ignored. Also, since I am uber-sensitive, I am attempting to back away from the internet entirely. I did take issue, recently, with some criticism here that I felt critized Lisa Jarnot, instead of her writing, and I wrote about that. But, overall, the list has been pretty safe for me and I met some wonderful folks, namely my assistant, Eric. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Mark wrote: > That said, I believe what Jennifer is describing is abusive responses to > her position. Look, anyone is entitled to his or her opinion (expressed > appropriately, and with appropriate regard for others). Murat has a point > that if you know it will be seen as "controversial" (I myself don't > necessarily see why that would be the case, based on what Jennifer writes) > then you should expect, and be prepared for, some pushback. However, your > point, Jennifer, unless I misread you, is that some of the responses you > have received have gone *beyond* controversy toward abuse or borderline > abuse. And I find that stunning. I'm not sure what to tell you except, if > you can find the courage, don't let yourself be silenced. And if you need > supporters in these (did you say they were online?) forums, maybe some of > the members of this list would be willing to turn out electronically to > call abuse what it is. I'd be willing. Send me a message, including info > on how to create an account, if that happens again. Perhaps also provide > more details/context. > > Is anyone else in? It's really not cool to behave abusively toward the > differently abled, whether online or in person. Let's call that behavior > out. > > Mark DuCharme > >> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500 >> From: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM >> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> >> ---------------------- Information from the mail header > ----------------------- >> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" >> Poster: reJennifer Bartlett >> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Murat (and others), >> >> I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been attacked > on >> the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that she >> quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato < > poet@francescolevato.com >>> wrote: >> >>> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have > an >>> automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam >>> attacks, but >>> someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the >>> board. So, >>> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >>> >>> Best, >>> Francesco >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE > this >>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend > the >>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all > participants >>> will be informed of such options. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to > . > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to > . > -- http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 13:51:59 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Wryting-L MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi - We've been running the wryting-l list since around 1994, when it started as fiction-of-philosophy; it's a list for experimental writing and announcements as well. You can find out more and join through http://clc.wvu.edu/projects/wryting_l The list is unmoderated. Please have a look; I think it would be of interest to anyone subscribed to Poetics. - Thanks, Alan ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:42:44 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christina Milletti Subject: New "MA in Innovative Writing" Program at UBuffalo In-Reply-To: <52E6B61B.4070302@roadrunner.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The University at Buffalo is launching a new MA in Innovative Writing Program--a unique form of graduate study in creative writing, closely intertwining the practice of writing with literary and aesthetic inquiries. Our hope is to create an environment in which new forms of writing will flourish. Poetry. Fiction. Hybrid forms. Digital and electronic media. However innovation takes place. Faculty: Myung Mi Kim, Judith Goldman, Nnedi Okorafor, Christina Milletti and Dimitri Anastasopoulos For more information, visit: http://www.buffalo.edu/content/cas/english/graduate/ma-certificate-in-innovative-writing.html Application deadline: Feb 1...though we expect to accept applications on a rolling basis this first year. Please share with your colleagues and students! ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:41:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Lewis, Susan" Subject: thank you to Amy et al Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 SGVhcnRmZWx0IHRoYW5rcyB0byBBbXkgJiBhbGwgd2hvIGhhdmUgZ2l2ZW4gc28gbXVjaCBvZiB0 aGVpciBwcmVjaW91cyB0aW1lIGZvciBydW5uaW5nICYgbW9kZXJhdGluZyB0aGlzIHdvbmRlcmZ1 bCBsaXN0LiBMb29raW5nIGZvcndhcmQgdG8gcGFydGljaXBhdGluZyAoaWYgcHJvYmFibHkgbW9z dGx5IGx1cmtpbmcgLS0gaS5lLiBsaXN0ZW5pbmcgLS0gaW4gdGhlIG5leHQgaW5jYXJuYXRpb24p ISANCg0KU3VzYW4gTGV3aXMNCg0K ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:38:18 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Julian Talamantez Brolaski Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 25 Jan 2014 to 26 Jan 2014 (#2014-12) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, I, too, have mainly lurked on this list. But I have enjoyed the announcements and discussions immensely. Thanks to Charles and Amy for all their hard work. Look forward to seeing you all on the interface, Julian On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:00 AM, POETICS automatic digest system < LISTSERV@listserv.buffalo.edu> wrote: > There are 28 messages totalling 6309 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. lists > 2. New discussion board in progress (5) > 3. Oh, Moderation Definitely! > 4. New discussion board open (6) > 5. another poetic list > 6. Poetics List (1993-2014) (8) > 7. POETICS Digest - 23 Jan 2014 to 24 Jan 2014 (#2014-10) > 8. Poetics List (1993-2014) - from the Moderator > 9. Onward > 10. Sign up for the new Poetics List > 11. Fare forward > 12. Thank you for a stimulating weekend! > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go = to > . > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 19:22:35 -0500 > From: Murat Nemet-Nejat > Subject: Re: lists > > Jim, perhaps not; but, as far as I see it, you describe your work in term= s > of what it does. > > Murat > > > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:50 PM, David Seaman wrote: > >> I enjoyed the contacts, which led to rich collaborations, and liked > seein=3D > g >> the notices of readings, even though as a Savannah Georgia resident I > cou=3D > ld >> never go to the New York listings. >> >> >> >> On Jan 25, 2014, at 04:02 PM, jim andrews wrote: >> >> No, Murat, that's not what I believe. >> >> ja >> http://vispo.com http://netartery.vispo.com >> >> ALEPH NULL >> http://vispo.com/aleph >> Interactive generative color-music instrument (HTML5) >> >> SELF PORTRAITS >> http://vispo.com/dbcinema/selfportrait2 >> http://vispo.com/dbcinema/selfportrait3 >> Generated with the use of my graphic synthesizer dbCinema. These self >> portraits were commissioned by the Surrey Art Gallery in Vancouver. The= y >> consist of a dbcinemation of 47 photos of me from age 0 to now. >> >> >> On 2014-01-25, at 8:12 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: >> >> mIEKAL, aren't Lists part of the digital world, though in a "primitive,= " >> what Chris calls prehistoric sort of way? Jim believes, I think, that i= f >> technology enable something to be done digitally, then it should be don= e. >> Murat >> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:24 AM, mIEKAL aND >> wrote: >> Obviously, I'm a fan of the most minimal moderation possible, but poetr= y >> and logorrhea seem to go hand in hand. Quite frankly it's a bit of > deligh=3D > t >> to see all these all posting their fond farewells, I had no idea so man= y > =3D > of >> these folks were still subscribed since a lot of them haven't posted in >> years. Digital community is the real work--takes attention and care. An= d >> restraint. >> ~mIEKAL >> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Anny Ballardini >> wrote: >> Self-moderation among adults could go a long way, mIEKAL aND, on the >> other >> hand, besides being "OLD" since the beginning, how many adults are arou= nd >> here? >> I logically wanted to write the opposite, since your mail invited for a >> "let it go free". The mysteries of writing. >> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:47 AM, mIEKAL aND >> wrote: >> a hybrid interface of facebook/twitter/blog/listserv would involve a >> bit >> more design but in the end could operate effortlessly. the real >> question >> is >> moderation or no moderation.' >> ~mIEKAL >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:42 PM, jim andrews wrote: >> Say what you will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages >> over >> lists. Though I would like to see something better emerge that people >> will >> use as widely. >> One of the advantages is that you don't have to get information from >> people who bore you. You can just block their posts. I know lots of >> poets >> don't like that idea, of people being able to easily block others >> from >> their info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing. A list is like >> being >> in one single room with everyone subscribed to the list. It gets old >> in a >> hurry. Windbags get at least equal time with more interesting folks. >> The Facebook options on what information you get and to whom you send >> info >> are much more granular than list options. Those sorts of options are >> important, and they never materialized in listserv software. Lists >> needed a >> more contemporary architecture of the group, of discussion, and of >> the >> missive concerning who receives it based on permissions. >> ja >> http://vispo.com >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> -- >> Dott.ssa Anny Ballardini, MFA, PhD. >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3D3Dpoetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> << Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae >> >> Giovenale >> Professionista di cui alla Legge n. 4 del 14 gennaio 2013, pubblicata >> nella >> GU n. 22 del 26/01/2013 >> Freiberuflerin laut Gesetz Nr. 4 vom 14. J=3DE4nner 2013, ver=3DF6ffent= licht > =3D > im >> Amtsblatt Nr. 22 vom 26.1.2013 >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; plea= se >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend th= e >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participant= s >> will be informed of such options. >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; plea= se >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend th= e >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participant= s >> will be informed of such options. >> > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 21:11:49 -0500 > From: stephanie g > Subject: Re: New discussion board in progress > > I first thank Charles and Amy for all the hard work that goes into keepin= g > =3D > something like this going. Ironically=3D2C I live in NYC now moving from > Bflo=3D > in '04=3D2C but I found the list incredibly informative in all ways - > events=3D > =3D2C calls for work=3D2C thoughts on poetics - and even tho I lived in o= ne of > =3D > those cultural center cities=3D2C I the list still kept me informed of > things=3D > I wouldn't know about otherwise. While I didn't join til the mid 00's I > tr=3D > uly feel it fosters a sense of community. There were many things and even > n=3D > yc events posted on this list that I did not find out about otherwise. > (tr=3D > ue=3D2C i'm not on FB...) > > I think Tyrone and Alan have some really good points and I hope to be in > on=3D > the next list. I agree that FB is not going to do it for many reasons > that=3D > Alan stated. Some of you may be aware of a similar list but in the > innovat=3D > ive/experimental film world called Frameworks and it's still a heady mix > of=3D > opinion/personal exchanges=3D2C very robust calls for work=3D2C queries = on > fil=3D > ms/sources/artists and curatorial leads. Most experimental film fests put > t=3D > heir calls out there=3D3B though I'm not sure if that could be replicated > wit=3D > h all poetry journals - it would be great if the list was made known > someho=3D > w to interested parties. I know there's things like Harriet the Poetry > Foun=3D > dation blog=3D2C but while it does perhaps have some similarities it is n= ot > a=3D > personal exchange email list that can be more intimate and focused on > inno=3D > vative poetics. > > I do hope the list can continue as Francesco wishes and perhaps garner th= e > =3D > current folks and get new folks in. > > Thank you Charles=3D2C Alan=3D2C Tyrone=3D2C Jonathan for all the eloquen= t words > =3D > said these last couple days. > -stephanie gray > nyc > >> Date: Sat=3D2C 25 Jan 2014 16:35:16 -0500 >> From: poet@FRANCESCOLEVATO.COM >> Subject: New discussion board in progress >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> =3D20 >> I'm working on an initial run of a discussion board that incorporates > som=3D > e of the=3D20 >> ideas brought up so far. Sorry for my absence after my initial post=3D2= C > bu=3D > t it's taken=3D20 >> a bit to set this up. I should have a link ready to post to ugh new > discu=3D > ssion=3D20 >> board later today and I'll post that along with some additional thought= s > =3D > on the=3D20 >> project.=3D20 >> =3D20 >> To those of you who have expressed interest in helping=3D2C thank you= =3D2C I > =3D > could use=3D20 >> it. We'll definitely need moderators=3D2C so please back channel me at= =3D20 >> poet@francescolevato.com if you're interested. >> =3D20 >> Best=3D2C >> Francesco >> =3D20 >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014=3D3B > plea=3D > se do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > avail=3D > able at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exceptio=3D > n: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of > th=3D > e Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be > info=3D > rmed of such options. > =3D > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:28:29 +0100 > From: Laura Hinton > Subject: Re: New discussion board in progress > > I just checked out the Wordpress site initiated by Francesco ... It looks > gr=3D > eat! It will run more like an Internet thread site (message board), per > sub=3D > ject category....and might even be more practical and topic-oriented than > th=3D > e out-going Listserve model. The message board might encourage more > active p=3D > articipation on given specific subjects.=3D20 > > Francesco needs volunteers, though, to help monitor the flow of posts. > > Laura > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:58 PM, Sue Brannan Walker > DU> wrote: >> =3D20 >> Please consider me a part of the Group, Sue Walker -- > suebrannanwalker@me.=3D > com >> =3D20 >>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Francesco Levato wrote: >>> =3D20 >>> I'm working on an initial run of a discussion board that incorporates > som=3D > e of the=3D20 >>> ideas brought up so far. Sorry for my absence after my initial post, > but i=3D > t's taken=3D20 >>> a bit to set this up. I should have a link ready to post to ugh new > discu=3D > ssion=3D20 >>> board later today and I'll post that along with some additional > thoughts o=3D > n the=3D20 >>> project.=3D20 >>> =3D20 >>> To those of you who have expressed interest in helping, thank you, I > coul=3D > d use=3D20 >>> it. We'll definitely need moderators, so please back channel me at=3D2= 0 >>> poet@francescolevato.com if you're interested. >>> =3D20 >>> Best, >>> Francesco >>> =3D20 >>> > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please=3D > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > availabl=3D > e at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: I=3D > nformation regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the > Poe=3D > tics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informe= d > o=3D > f such options. >> =3D20 >> > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please d=3D > o not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available a=3D > t http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: > Info=3D > rmation regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the > Poetic=3D > s List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed o= f > s=3D > uch options. > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 08:30:34 -0600 > From: Marc Thompson > Subject: Re: Oh, Moderation Definitely! > > Thanks, Jesse. > > Marc > On Jan 25, 2014 1:18 PM, "skyplums@juno.com" wrote: > >> howling at the moon a great book by the great modern poet hagiwara >> saktagaro psrdon my spelling translated by hiroaki sato >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: Marc Thompson >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: Oh, Moderation Definitely! >> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 09:33:56 -0600 >> >> Very poetic, Jesse. And true. >> >> Marc Thompson >> On Jan 25, 2014 8:51 AM, "Jesse Glass" wrote: >> >>> Sometimes those lonely poets start howling at the moon. >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; plea= se >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend th= e >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participant= s >> will be informed of such options. >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 19:19:27 -0500 > From: Francesco Levato > Subject: New discussion board open > > Ok, I have a first run of the new discussion board online at: > > http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ > > This is just a start. If the discussion board proves useful in continuing= =3D > the work=3D20 > of the Buffalo Poetics List, I will work to update and improve it based o= =3D > n=3D20 > member suggestions (I have a forum set up to post suggestions). Also, ple= =3D > ase=3D20 > feel free leave any feedback you may have in the =3D93Feedback=3D94 forum= . > > Some initial notes: > > The design of the discussion board is minimalist. I didn=3D92t want the i= nt=3D > erface to=3D20 > interfere with usability. I am open to suggestions though.
 > > There seemed to be a balance of pros and cons for moving the list discuss= =3D > ions to=3D20 > Facebook or other social media platforms, so I=3D92m going to try and add= re=3D > ss some=3D20 > of those suggestions in the current discussion board=3D92s functionality.= &=3D > amp;#8232; > > Filtering posts: while we can block posts from certain users (as on FB), = =3D > I thought=3D20 > implementing a way to filter posts by category (if you chose) would be us= =3D > eful.=3D20 > So, I=3D92ve added a series of category tags to start with for this purpo= se=3D > =3D20 > (publications, book releases, announcements, opportunities, discussion, e= =3D > vents,=3D20 > readings, and submissions). When you post you can also suggest your own t= =3D > ags=3D20 > to expand on this list.
 > > Notifications to your FB wall: I will be creating a FB page that will aut= =3D > omatically=3D20 > be receiving posts made to the discussion board for those of you who woul= =3D > d=3D20 > rather follow the list on FB.
 > Twitter: for those of you would would rather receive list notifications v= =3D > ia twitter,=3D20 > I=3D92ve set up an account for the list @PoeticsList. The discussion baor= d =3D > will=3D20 > automatically tweet new posts to this Twitter feed (this is in the works = =3D > but will=3D20 > be ready soon).
 > > A note on moderation: to avoid the board being spammed by trolls or autom= =3D > ated=3D20 > spambots, I think it=3D92s best to keep it a moderated discussion. So, it= w=3D > ill still be a=3D20 > short wait before your post is approved. I could use some volunteer moder= =3D > ators=3D20 > to help, so if you=3D92re interested please email me at:=3D20 > poeticslist@chicagoschoolofpoetics.com
 > > Registration: again, to avoid spam we will need to have users register be= =3D > fore=3D20 > they can post. There=3D92s no approval process, just register and start p= os=3D > ting.
 > > Hosting: I=3D92m hosting this on the CSoP=3D92s server, but it is intende= d fo=3D > r all members=3D20 > of the former Buffalo Poetics List. So, rather than having you go to CSoP= =3D > =3D92s main=3D20 > website to access the board, I installed it on a subdomain. When you clic= =3D > k on the=3D20 > link listed above you will be taken directly into the discusion board.&am= =3D > p;#8232; > > And finally, the Buffalo Poetics List has been a daily stop for me for ma= =3D > ny years.=3D20 > I appreciate all the list has offered and the community involved in it. S= =3D > etting up=3D20 > the Poetics List @ Chicago School of Poetics is just a way for me to give= =3D > back to=3D20 > that community. I hope you ind it useful. > > > Best, > Francesco Levato > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:48:50 +1100 > From: Paula McKay > Subject: Re: New discussion board in progress > > Dear Francesco, > Thank you so much. I look forward to continue hearing from and about > everyone in the near future. Cheers. From Paula McKay (Sydney, Australia= ) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Francesco Levato > Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2014 8:35 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: New discussion board in progress > > I'm working on an initial run of a discussion board that incorporates som= e > of the > ideas brought up so far. Sorry for my absence after my initial post, but > it's taken > a bit to set this up. I should have a link ready to post to ugh new > discussion > board later today and I'll post that along with some additional thoughts = on > the > project. > > To those of you who have expressed interest in helping, thank you, I coul= d > use > it. We'll definitely need moderators, so please back channel me at > poet@francescolevato.com if you're interested. > > Best, > Francesco > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do > not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available > at > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: > Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the > Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be > informed of such options. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 04:20:10 -0500 > From: David Giannini > Subject: Re: New discussion board in progress > > Please keep my gmail address for a future listserv or. . . . > David Giannini davidgpoet@gmail.com > > *David* > *David Giannini* > *P.O. Box 562* > *Becket, MA 01223* > > > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Sue Brannan Walker < > suewalker@southalabama.edu> wrote: > >> Please consider me a part of the Group, Sue Walker -- >> suebrannanwalker@me.com >> >> On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Francesco Levato wrote: >> >>> I'm working on an initial run of a discussion board that incorporates >> some of the >>> ideas brought up so far. Sorry for my absence after my initial post, > but >> it's taken >>> a bit to set this up. I should have a link ready to post to ugh new >> discussion >>> board later today and I'll post that along with some additional > thoughts >> on the >>> project. >>> >>> To those of you who have expressed interest in helping, thank you, I >> could use >>> it. We'll definitely need moderators, so please back channel me at >>> poet@francescolevato.com if you're interested. >>> >>> Best, >>> Francesco >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >> please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to = be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend th= e >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participant= s >> will be informed of such options. >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; plea= se >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend th= e >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participant= s >> will be informed of such options. >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 06:48:18 -0800 > From: { brad brace } > Subject: another poetic list > > You cannot politically defy the institutions when all you > really wanted was to be clasped to their bosoms and hope in > time to be cherished under the very framework of oppressive > values you are thinking of overcoming. That would be > co-optation, revolution only in the sense of a circulation > of elites rather than the extirpation of the very impulses > of elitism. > > To subscribe to 12-list, simply send a message with the word > "subscribe" in the Subject: field to > 12-list-request@eskimo.com > > To unsubscribe from 12-list, simply send a message with the > word "unsubscribe" in the Subject: field to > 12-list-request@eskimo.com > > > /:b > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:45:23 +0000 > From: "Michael J. Maguire" > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > Thank you for this list Charles. > > As a mere 'blow-in' of seven years lurking, this list has been > inspirational and informative, providing a connection to an otherworld I'= d > rarely encounter otherwise. > > Thanks to all who posted and gave it life. > > Michael. > > > > > On 25 January 2014 16:54, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > >> Hi, Mark, >> >> I think by "moderation" mIEKAL meant not a moderator, but the impositio= n > =3D > of >> restraint. I agree with mIEKAL that moderation served us badly. At the > en=3D > d, >> while it helped the List survive as a central posting medium to announc= e >> poetry events and publications, it resulted in the atrophy of the List > as=3D > a >> forum for heated intellectual exchange. >> >> Murat >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:13 AM, tyrone williams >> wrote: >> >>> Though I've been more a lurker than active participant I agree with > Ala=3D > n, >>> Mark et al that Charles' and Amy's work has been especially useful fo= r >>> those of us outside the major media centers in North America. And I t= oo >> am >>> in for whatever evolves as PL 2.0. >>> >>> >>> Tyrone >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Mark >>>> Sent: Jan 25, 2014 3:17 AM >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>> >>>> This reminds me a bit of the old days. I'm actually reading what >>> everybody posts, because there's a genuine discussion, an exchange. > Wh=3D > o >>> knew? >>>> >>>> I neglected to thank Charles in my earlier post, as well as everyone >> else >>> who has been involved. I think Amy King's tenure as listmod, though, > h=3D > as >>> been particularly noteworthy. I think she deserves special thanks, >> whether >>> or not you agree with Miekal=3D97 and I certainly think he has a > point=3D97=3D > that >>> moderation has not served the list well in the long run. Whether or > no=3D > t >>> *moderation* is good for the list or not, though, is an entirely > separa=3D > te >>> matter from the various moderators themselves. All have been very > good=3D > , >>> but Amy King did it for incredibly long, and her tenure seems to have >> been >>> seamless, without controversy. (I say 'seems,' of course, because I >>> haven't been reading every post, like I did in the old days.) >>>> >>>> This list, clearly, has been a special exchange for many of us, at > lea=3D > st >>> at some time or another, and that energy still exists and clearly (no= t >> just >>> for myself) needs another outlet. I am hoping we can collectively > figu=3D > re >>> out how to channel it. I agree with those who said (as I previously >> said) >>> that FB is not a good medium for such an exchange. I personally like > t=3D > he >>> listserv/email technological model, but that may not work for most >> people, >>> especially as technology evolves. I agree that the need exists, not > ju=3D > st >>> for discussion and exchange of ideas, but for basic information as to >>> what's going on. I never thought that calls for work or publication >>> announcements were inherently less important than exchange of ideas. >> Alan >>> Sondheim usefully points out that for those of us who do not live in > NY=3D > C >>> or, perhaps, SF, the List is a much-needed vehicle to grasp the full >> scope >>> of literary activity in our time, much less to figure out where, when > o=3D > r >> if >>> we want to "submit." The fact of moderation has limited the > spontaneit=3D > y >> of >>> exchange, and as a result exchange itself. Yet it is ALSO true that >>> flamers and narcissists, when they arise (and they will, eventually) > ne=3D > ed >>> to quietly and efficiently be moved aside. Can there be spontaneity >> within >>> moderation? Can there be collective ways of dealing with the flamers >> which >>> bypass listmods? Who knows? >>>> >>>> Let the Poetics List 2 begin, either through institutional sponsorsh= ip >> or >>> "under that table," so to speak. (And, thinking ecologically, I wond= er >>> which model would be more sustainable, for a generation or more.) >>>> >>>> Laura Hinton, I'm in=3D97 whatever evolves. >>>> >>>> What's that Pound line about "commerce between us?" >>>> >>>> Yours in (poetic) struggle=3D97 >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark DuCharme >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark DuCharme >>>> >>>> Miekal's point, of course, was that >>>> >>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500 >>>>> From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM >>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >>> ----------------------- >>>>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" < >> POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> >>>>> Poster: Murat Nemet-Nejat >>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>> >>> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= =3D > ------ >>>>> >>>>> I also think a discussion list would be the best way to go. >>>>> >>>>> Murat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Joel Weishaus >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jim >>>>>> >>>>>> I just looked at this site, and see several people from the > Poetic=3D > s >>> List >>>>>> are already involved. >>>>>> I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcements >>> better >>>>>> than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>> Joel >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Joel Weishaus >>>>>> Artist-in-Residence >>>>>> Pacifica Graduate Institute >>>>>> 249 Lambert Road >>>>>> Carpinteria, CA 93013 >>>>>> >>>>>> Homepage: >>>>>> http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >>>>>> Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: >>>>>> www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >>>>>>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're > interest=3D > ed >>> in >>>>>>> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >>>>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim Finnegan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm=3D > l >>>> >>>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm=3D > l >>> >>> >>> Tyrone Williams >>> >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3= D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm=3D > l >>> >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> > > > > --=3D20 > THX > MJM > > http://about.me/clevercelt > http://www.michaeljmaguire.com > > Michael J. Maguire > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:24:23 +0000 > From: Gerald Schwartz > Subject: Re: New discussion board in progress > > Please keep my e-mail address for a future platform. > > I thank you! > > G. E. Schwartz > gejs1@rochester.rr.com > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 10:20:52 -0500 > From: reJennifer Bartlett > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > I think monitoring is ultimately a good thing. The internet is a place > where people feel free to be abusive and say things they would never say = in > public. > > I had a bad experience with this with Roxann Gay. She published an articl= e > I wrote on disability poetics (ok, it was the wrong forum) but people wro= te > in ruthlessly mocking me... one guy wrote "Is having a small dick a > disability?" > > I know this is difficult because the question becomes "who is the > gatekeeper?" and the moderation becomes at their personal discretion. Amy > King, in fact, was a good person to do this because she has a wide > awareness of prejudice. Most people do not. Most people do not even think > of prejudice against disability and have their own prejices, so it is not > something people willingly stand up against. > > I guess I am just saying that if you have controversial views, not even > snarky ones or fighting for the sake of fighting, but truly controversial > views (but this i mean my view that poets and people with disabilities ha= ve > nothing wrong with them and should be treated as equals in the poetry > community, employment, dating and sexuality) you are going to be attacked= . > When I called Paul Guest on letting himself be called 'invalid" on his bo= ok > cover by John Ashbery. I was brutally attacked, and Guest actually won th= at > discussion. HE WON THE RIGHT TO HAVE SOMEONE CALL HIM AN INVALID~! > CONGRATUALTIONS! > > All I am saying is having a moderator helps people like me who are trying > to put forth controversial opinions and are also sensitive and loving and > have a super hard time being attacked. Love, Jennifer > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Michael J. Maguire > wrote: > >> Thank you for this list Charles. >> >> As a mere 'blow-in' of seven years lurking, this list has been >> inspirational and informative, providing a connection to an otherworld > I'd >> rarely encounter otherwise. >> >> Thanks to all who posted and gave it life. >> >> Michael. >> >> >> >> >> On 25 January 2014 16:54, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: >> >>> Hi, Mark, >>> >>> I think by "moderation" mIEKAL meant not a moderator, but the > imposition >> of >>> restraint. I agree with mIEKAL that moderation served us badly. At th= e >> end, >>> while it helped the List survive as a central posting medium to > announce >>> poetry events and publications, it resulted in the atrophy of the Lis= t >> as a >>> forum for heated intellectual exchange. >>> >>> Murat >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:13 AM, tyrone williams < > suspend@earthlink.net >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> Though I've been more a lurker than active participant I agree with >> Alan, >>>> Mark et al that Charles' and Amy's work has been especially useful > for >>>> those of us outside the major media centers in North America. And I > too >>> am >>>> in for whatever evolves as PL 2.0. >>>> >>>> >>>> Tyrone >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Mark >>>>> Sent: Jan 25, 2014 3:17 AM >>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>> >>>>> This reminds me a bit of the old days. I'm actually reading what >>>> everybody posts, because there's a genuine discussion, an exchange. >> Who >>>> knew? >>>>> >>>>> I neglected to thank Charles in my earlier post, as well as everyo= ne >>> else >>>> who has been involved. I think Amy King's tenure as listmod, thoug= h, >> has >>>> been particularly noteworthy. I think she deserves special thanks, >>> whether >>>> or not you agree with Miekal-- and I certainly think he has a point= -- >> that >>>> moderation has not served the list well in the long run. Whether o= r >> not >>>> *moderation* is good for the list or not, though, is an entirely >> separate >>>> matter from the various moderators themselves. All have been very >> good, >>>> but Amy King did it for incredibly long, and her tenure seems to ha= ve >>> been >>>> seamless, without controversy. (I say 'seems,' of course, because = I >>>> haven't been reading every post, like I did in the old days.) >>>>> >>>>> This list, clearly, has been a special exchange for many of us, at >> least >>>> at some time or another, and that energy still exists and clearly > (not >>> just >>>> for myself) needs another outlet. I am hoping we can collectively >> figure >>>> out how to channel it. I agree with those who said (as I previousl= y >>> said) >>>> that FB is not a good medium for such an exchange. I personally li= ke >> the >>>> listserv/email technological model, but that may not work for most >>> people, >>>> especially as technology evolves. I agree that the need exists, no= t >> just >>>> for discussion and exchange of ideas, but for basic information as = to >>>> what's going on. I never thought that calls for work or publicatio= n >>>> announcements were inherently less important than exchange of ideas= . >>> Alan >>>> Sondheim usefully points out that for those of us who do not live i= n >> NYC >>>> or, perhaps, SF, the List is a much-needed vehicle to grasp the ful= l >>> scope >>>> of literary activity in our time, much less to figure out where, wh= en >> or >>> if >>>> we want to "submit." The fact of moderation has limited the >> spontaneity >>> of >>>> exchange, and as a result exchange itself. Yet it is ALSO true tha= t >>>> flamers and narcissists, when they arise (and they will, eventually= ) >> need >>>> to quietly and efficiently be moved aside. Can there be spontaneit= y >>> within >>>> moderation? Can there be collective ways of dealing with the flame= rs >>> which >>>> bypass listmods? Who knows? >>>>> >>>>> Let the Poetics List 2 begin, either through institutional > sponsorship >>> or >>>> "under that table," so to speak. (And, thinking ecologically, I > wonder >>>> which model would be more sustainable, for a generation or more.) >>>>> >>>>> Laura Hinton, I'm in-- whatever evolves. >>>>> >>>>> What's that Pound line about "commerce between us?" >>>>> >>>>> Yours in (poetic) struggle-- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mark DuCharme >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mark DuCharme >>>>> >>>>> Miekal's point, of course, was that >>>>> >>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500 >>>>>> From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >>>> ----------------------- >>>>>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" < >>> POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> >>>>>> Poster: Murat Nemet-Nejat >>>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ >>>>>> >>>>>> I also think a discussion list would be the best way to go. >>>>>> >>>>>> Murat >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Joel Weishaus >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just looked at this site, and see several people from the >> Poetics >>>> List >>>>>>> are already involved. >>>>>>> I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcemen= ts >>>> better >>>>>>> than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this list= . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>> Joel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Joel Weishaus >>>>>>> Artist-in-Residence >>>>>>> Pacifica Graduate Institute >>>>>>> 249 Lambert Road >>>>>>> Carpinteria, CA 93013 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Homepage: >>>>>>> http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >>>>>>> Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: >>>>>>> www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >>>>>>>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're >> interested >>>> in >>>>>>>> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >>>>>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jim Finnegan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Che= ck >>>>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Tyrone Williams >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> THX >> MJM >> >> http://about.me/clevercelt >> http://www.michaeljmaguire.com >> >> Michael J. Maguire >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; plea= se >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend th= e >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participant= s >> will be informed of such options. >> > > > > -- > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 10:36:42 -0500 > From: Maria Damon > Subject: Re: New discussion board open > > sign me up! > > On 1/25/14 7:19 PM, Francesco Levato wrote: >> Ok, I have a first run of the new discussion board online at: >> >> http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ >> >> This is just a start. If the discussion board proves useful in > continuing the work >> of the Buffalo Poetics List, I will work to update and improve it based > on >> member suggestions (I have a forum set up to post suggestions). Also, > please >> feel free leave any feedback you may have in the =93Feedback=94 forum. >> >> Some initial notes: >> >> The design of the discussion board is minimalist. I didn=92t want the > interface to >> interfere with usability. I am open to suggestions though.
 >> >> There seemed to be a balance of pros and cons for moving the list > discussions to >> Facebook or other social media platforms, so I=92m going to try and > address some >> of those suggestions in the current discussion board=92s functionality. > &#8232; >> >> Filtering posts: while we can block posts from certain users (as on FB)= , > I thought >> implementing a way to filter posts by category (if you chose) would be > useful. >> So, I=92ve added a series of category tags to start with for this purpo= se >> (publications, book releases, announcements, opportunities, discussion, > events, >> readings, and submissions). When you post you can also suggest your own > tags >> to expand on this list.
 >> >> Notifications to your FB wall: I will be creating a FB page that will > automatically >> be receiving posts made to the discussion board for those of you who > would >> rather follow the list on FB.
 >> Twitter: for those of you would would rather receive list notifications > via twitter, >> I=92ve set up an account for the list @PoeticsList. The discussion baor= d > will >> automatically tweet new posts to this Twitter feed (this is in the work= s > but will >> be ready soon).
 >> >> A note on moderation: to avoid the board being spammed by trolls or > automated >> spambots, I think it=92s best to keep it a moderated discussion. So, it > will still be a >> short wait before your post is approved. I could use some volunteer > moderators >> to help, so if you=92re interested please email me at: >> poeticslist@chicagoschoolofpoetics.com
 >> >> Registration: again, to avoid spam we will need to have users register > before >> they can post. There=92s no approval process, just register and start > posting.
 >> >> Hosting: I=92m hosting this on the CSoP=92s server, but it is intended = for > all members >> of the former Buffalo Poetics List. So, rather than having you go to > CSoP=92s main >> website to access the board, I installed it on a subdomain. When you > click on the >> link listed above you will be taken directly into the discusion > board.&#8232; >> >> And finally, the Buffalo Poetics List has been a daily stop for me for > many years. >> I appreciate all the list has offered and the community involved in it. > Setting up >> the Poetics List @ Chicago School of Poetics is just a way for me to > give back to >> that community. I hope you ind it useful. >> >> >> Best, >> Francesco Levato >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 10:49:35 -0500 > From: Murat Nemet-Nejat > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > When does "controversial" turn into "abusive"? Is there a clear > demarcation? For instance, is irony abusive and sincerity controversial? > Ciao. > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 10:20 AM, reJennifer Bartlett > wrote: > >> I think monitoring is ultimately a good thing. The internet is a place >> where people feel free to be abusive and say things they would never sa= y > in >> public. >> >> I had a bad experience with this with Roxann Gay. She published an > article >> I wrote on disability poetics (ok, it was the wrong forum) but people > wrote >> in ruthlessly mocking me... one guy wrote "Is having a small dick a >> disability?" >> >> I know this is difficult because the question becomes "who is the >> gatekeeper?" and the moderation becomes at their personal discretion. A= my >> King, in fact, was a good person to do this because she has a wide >> awareness of prejudice. Most people do not. Most people do not even thi= nk >> of prejudice against disability and have their own prejices, so it is n= ot >> something people willingly stand up against. >> >> I guess I am just saying that if you have controversial views, not even >> snarky ones or fighting for the sake of fighting, but truly controversi= al >> views (but this i mean my view that poets and people with disabilities > have >> nothing wrong with them and should be treated as equals in the poetry >> community, employment, dating and sexuality) you are going to be > attacked. >> When I called Paul Guest on letting himself be called 'invalid" on his > book >> cover by John Ashbery. I was brutally attacked, and Guest actually won > that >> discussion. HE WON THE RIGHT TO HAVE SOMEONE CALL HIM AN INVALID~! >> CONGRATUALTIONS! >> >> All I am saying is having a moderator helps people like me who are tryi= ng >> to put forth controversial opinions and are also sensitive and loving a= nd >> have a super hard time being attacked. Love, Jennifer >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Michael J. Maguire < > maguire.mj@gmail.com >>> wrote: >> >>> Thank you for this list Charles. >>> >>> As a mere 'blow-in' of seven years lurking, this list has been >>> inspirational and informative, providing a connection to an otherworl= d >> I'd >>> rarely encounter otherwise. >>> >>> Thanks to all who posted and gave it life. >>> >>> Michael. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 25 January 2014 16:54, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote= : >>> >>>> Hi, Mark, >>>> >>>> I think by "moderation" mIEKAL meant not a moderator, but the >> imposition >>> of >>>> restraint. I agree with mIEKAL that moderation served us badly. At > the >>> end, >>>> while it helped the List survive as a central posting medium to >> announce >>>> poetry events and publications, it resulted in the atrophy of the > List >>> as a >>>> forum for heated intellectual exchange. >>>> >>>> Murat >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:13 AM, tyrone williams < >> suspend@earthlink.net >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Though I've been more a lurker than active participant I agree wi= th >>> Alan, >>>>> Mark et al that Charles' and Amy's work has been especially usefu= l >> for >>>>> those of us outside the major media centers in North America. And= I >> too >>>> am >>>>> in for whatever evolves as PL 2.0. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tyrone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Mark >>>>>> Sent: Jan 25, 2014 3:17 AM >>>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>>> >>>>>> This reminds me a bit of the old days. I'm actually reading wha= t >>>>> everybody posts, because there's a genuine discussion, an exchang= e. >>> Who >>>>> knew? >>>>>> >>>>>> I neglected to thank Charles in my earlier post, as well as > everyone >>>> else >>>>> who has been involved. I think Amy King's tenure as listmod, > though, >>> has >>>>> been particularly noteworthy. I think she deserves special thank= s, >>>> whether >>>>> or not you agree with Miekal-- and I certainly think he has a > point-- >>> that >>>>> moderation has not served the list well in the long run. Whether > or >>> not >>>>> *moderation* is good for the list or not, though, is an entirely >>> separate >>>>> matter from the various moderators themselves. All have been ver= y >>> good, >>>>> but Amy King did it for incredibly long, and her tenure seems to > have >>>> been >>>>> seamless, without controversy. (I say 'seems,' of course, becaus= e > I >>>>> haven't been reading every post, like I did in the old days.) >>>>>> >>>>>> This list, clearly, has been a special exchange for many of us, = at >>> least >>>>> at some time or another, and that energy still exists and clearly >> (not >>>> just >>>>> for myself) needs another outlet. I am hoping we can collectivel= y >>> figure >>>>> out how to channel it. I agree with those who said (as I > previously >>>> said) >>>>> that FB is not a good medium for such an exchange. I personally > like >>> the >>>>> listserv/email technological model, but that may not work for mos= t >>>> people, >>>>> especially as technology evolves. I agree that the need exists, > not >>> just >>>>> for discussion and exchange of ideas, but for basic information a= s > to >>>>> what's going on. I never thought that calls for work or > publication >>>>> announcements were inherently less important than exchange of > ideas. >>>> Alan >>>>> Sondheim usefully points out that for those of us who do not live > in >>> NYC >>>>> or, perhaps, SF, the List is a much-needed vehicle to grasp the > full >>>> scope >>>>> of literary activity in our time, much less to figure out where, > when >>> or >>>> if >>>>> we want to "submit." The fact of moderation has limited the >>> spontaneity >>>> of >>>>> exchange, and as a result exchange itself. Yet it is ALSO true > that >>>>> flamers and narcissists, when they arise (and they will, > eventually) >>> need >>>>> to quietly and efficiently be moved aside. Can there be > spontaneity >>>> within >>>>> moderation? Can there be collective ways of dealing with the > flamers >>>> which >>>>> bypass listmods? Who knows? >>>>>> >>>>>> Let the Poetics List 2 begin, either through institutional >> sponsorship >>>> or >>>>> "under that table," so to speak. (And, thinking ecologically, I >> wonder >>>>> which model would be more sustainable, for a generation or more.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Laura Hinton, I'm in-- whatever evolves. >>>>>> >>>>>> What's that Pound line about "commerce between us?" >>>>>> >>>>>> Yours in (poetic) struggle-- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark DuCharme >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark DuCharme >>>>>> >>>>>> Miekal's point, of course, was that >>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500 >>>>>>> From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >>>>> ----------------------- >>>>>>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" < >>>> POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> >>>>>>> Poster: Murat Nemet-Nejat >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also think a discussion list would be the best way to go. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Murat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Joel Weishaus < > pdx00282@pdx.edu> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just looked at this site, and see several people from the >>> Poetics >>>>> List >>>>>>>> are already involved. >>>>>>>> I like email discussion lists for conversation and > announcements >>>>> better >>>>>>>> than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this > list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>>> Joel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Joel Weishaus >>>>>>>> Artist-in-Residence >>>>>>>> Pacifica Graduate Institute >>>>>>>> 249 Lambert Road >>>>>>>> Carpinteria, CA 93013 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Homepage: >>>>>>>> http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >>>>>>>> Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: >>>>>>>> www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >>>>>>>>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're >>> interested >>>>> in >>>>>>>>> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >>>>>>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>>>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jim Finnegan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > Check >>>>>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Che= ck >>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>> >>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tyrone Williams >>>>> >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> THX >>> MJM >>> >>> http://about.me/clevercelt >>> http://www.michaeljmaguire.com >>> >>> Michael J. Maguire >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE > this >>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend > the >>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all > participants >>> will be informed of such options. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; plea= se >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend th= e >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participant= s >> will be informed of such options. >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 16:55:21 +0100 > From: Philip Meersman > Subject: Re: New discussion board open > > Sign me up, please. > > Op zondag 26 januari 2014 heeft Francesco Levato > > het volgende geschreven: > >> Ok, I have a first run of the new discussion board online at: >> >> http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ >> >> This is just a start. If the discussion board proves useful in continui= ng >> the work >> of the Buffalo Poetics List, I will work to update and improve it based > o=3D > n >> member suggestions (I have a forum set up to post suggestions). Also, >> please >> feel free leave any feedback you may have in the =3D93Feedback=3D94 for= um. >> >> Some initial notes: >> >> The design of the discussion board is minimalist. I didn=3D92t want the >> interface to >> interfere with usability. I am open to suggestions though.
 >> >> There seemed to be a balance of pros and cons for moving the list >> discussions to >> Facebook or other social media platforms, so I=3D92m going to try and > addre=3D > ss >> some >> of those suggestions in the current discussion board=3D92s functionalit= y. >> &#8232; >> >> Filtering posts: while we can block posts from certain users (as on FB)= , > =3D > I >> thought >> implementing a way to filter posts by category (if you chose) would be >> useful. >> So, I=3D92ve added a series of category tags to start with for this pur= pose >> (publications, book releases, announcements, opportunities, discussion, >> events, >> readings, and submissions). When you post you can also suggest your own >> tags >> to expand on this list.
 >> >> Notifications to your FB wall: I will be creating a FB page that will >> automatically >> be receiving posts made to the discussion board for those of you who > woul=3D > d >> rather follow the list on FB.
 >> Twitter: for those of you would would rather receive list notifications >> via twitter, >> I=3D92ve set up an account for the list @PoeticsList. The discussion ba= ord > =3D > will >> automatically tweet new posts to this Twitter feed (this is in the work= s >> but will >> be ready soon).
 >> >> A note on moderation: to avoid the board being spammed by trolls or >> automated >> spambots, I think it=3D92s best to keep it a moderated discussion. So, = it > w=3D > ill >> still be a >> short wait before your post is approved. I could use some volunteer >> moderators >> to help, so if you=3D92re interested please email me at: >> poeticslist@chicagoschoolofpoetics.com 
 >> >> Registration: again, to avoid spam we will need to have users register >> before >> they can post. There=3D92s no approval process, just register and start >> posting.
 >> >> Hosting: I=3D92m hosting this on the CSoP=3D92s server, but it is inten= ded > fo=3D > r all >> members >> of the former Buffalo Poetics List. So, rather than having you go to >> CSoP=3D92s main >> website to access the board, I installed it on a subdomain. When you > clic=3D > k >> on the >> link listed above you will be taken directly into the discusion >> board.&#8232; >> >> And finally, the Buffalo Poetics List has been a daily stop for me for >> many years. >> I appreciate all the list has offered and the community involved in it. >> Setting up >> the Poetics List @ Chicago School of Poetics is just a way for me to gi= ve >> back to >> that community. 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Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 11:11:05 -0500 > From: reJennifer Bartlett > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > Contraversial to me means putting forth an unpopular opinion in a tempere= d > manner. It used to be gay rights, or rights for people of color, now, for > me, it's any resistance against disability as anything but a tradegty or > something to be avoided. > > Abuse is name calling. Putting people down. Cruel comments that don't add > to the discussion - such as Paul Guest calling my writing and arguments > that quality of a bad first-year writing student. Or when some guys from = a > list-serv read my blog post regarding the word retarded and posted my > picture on their site ruthlessly making fun of me and attacking me and > emailed me at the university to make sure I looked at it, Or the times I > have been told online that I am a disgrace to all disabled people and > should shut up. That is abuse... have you had this happen to you? > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat > wrote: > >> When does "controversial" turn into "abusive"? Is there a clear >> demarcation? For instance, is irony abusive and sincerity controversial= ? >> Ciao. >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 10:20 AM, reJennifer Bartlett >> wrote: >> >>> I think monitoring is ultimately a good thing. The internet is a plac= e >>> where people feel free to be abusive and say things they would never > say >> in >>> public. >>> >>> I had a bad experience with this with Roxann Gay. She published an >> article >>> I wrote on disability poetics (ok, it was the wrong forum) but people >> wrote >>> in ruthlessly mocking me... one guy wrote "Is having a small dick a >>> disability?" >>> >>> I know this is difficult because the question becomes "who is the >>> gatekeeper?" and the moderation becomes at their personal discretion. > Amy >>> King, in fact, was a good person to do this because she has a wide >>> awareness of prejudice. Most people do not. Most people do not even > think >>> of prejudice against disability and have their own prejices, so it is > not >>> something people willingly stand up against. >>> >>> I guess I am just saying that if you have controversial views, not ev= en >>> snarky ones or fighting for the sake of fighting, but truly > controversial >>> views (but this i mean my view that poets and people with disabilitie= s >> have >>> nothing wrong with them and should be treated as equals in the poetry >>> community, employment, dating and sexuality) you are going to be >> attacked. >>> When I called Paul Guest on letting himself be called 'invalid" on hi= s >> book >>> cover by John Ashbery. I was brutally attacked, and Guest actually wo= n >> that >>> discussion. HE WON THE RIGHT TO HAVE SOMEONE CALL HIM AN INVALID~! >>> CONGRATUALTIONS! >>> >>> All I am saying is having a moderator helps people like me who are > trying >>> to put forth controversial opinions and are also sensitive and loving > and >>> have a super hard time being attacked. Love, Jennifer >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Michael J. Maguire < >> maguire.mj@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you for this list Charles. >>>> >>>> As a mere 'blow-in' of seven years lurking, this list has been >>>> inspirational and informative, providing a connection to an > otherworld >>> I'd >>>> rarely encounter otherwise. >>>> >>>> Thanks to all who posted and gave it life. >>>> >>>> Michael. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 25 January 2014 16:54, Murat Nemet-Nejat > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, Mark, >>>>> >>>>> I think by "moderation" mIEKAL meant not a moderator, but the >>> imposition >>>> of >>>>> restraint. I agree with mIEKAL that moderation served us badly. A= t >> the >>>> end, >>>>> while it helped the List survive as a central posting medium to >>> announce >>>>> poetry events and publications, it resulted in the atrophy of the >> List >>>> as a >>>>> forum for heated intellectual exchange. >>>>> >>>>> Murat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:13 AM, tyrone williams < >>> suspend@earthlink.net >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Though I've been more a lurker than active participant I agree > with >>>> Alan, >>>>>> Mark et al that Charles' and Amy's work has been especially > useful >>> for >>>>>> those of us outside the major media centers in North America. > And I >>> too >>>>> am >>>>>> in for whatever evolves as PL 2.0. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tyrone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Mark >>>>>>> Sent: Jan 25, 2014 3:17 AM >>>>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This reminds me a bit of the old days. I'm actually reading > what >>>>>> everybody posts, because there's a genuine discussion, an > exchange. >>>> Who >>>>>> knew? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I neglected to thank Charles in my earlier post, as well as >> everyone >>>>> else >>>>>> who has been involved. I think Amy King's tenure as listmod, >> though, >>>> has >>>>>> been particularly noteworthy. I think she deserves special > thanks, >>>>> whether >>>>>> or not you agree with Miekal-- and I certainly think he has a >> point-- >>>> that >>>>>> moderation has not served the list well in the long run. Wheth= er >> or >>>> not >>>>>> *moderation* is good for the list or not, though, is an entirel= y >>>> separate >>>>>> matter from the various moderators themselves. All have been > very >>>> good, >>>>>> but Amy King did it for incredibly long, and her tenure seems t= o >> have >>>>> been >>>>>> seamless, without controversy. (I say 'seems,' of course, > because >> I >>>>>> haven't been reading every post, like I did in the old days.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This list, clearly, has been a special exchange for many of us= , > at >>>> least >>>>>> at some time or another, and that energy still exists and clear= ly >>> (not >>>>> just >>>>>> for myself) needs another outlet. I am hoping we can > collectively >>>> figure >>>>>> out how to channel it. I agree with those who said (as I >> previously >>>>> said) >>>>>> that FB is not a good medium for such an exchange. I personall= y >> like >>>> the >>>>>> listserv/email technological model, but that may not work for > most >>>>> people, >>>>>> especially as technology evolves. I agree that the need exists= , >> not >>>> just >>>>>> for discussion and exchange of ideas, but for basic information > as >> to >>>>>> what's going on. I never thought that calls for work or >> publication >>>>>> announcements were inherently less important than exchange of >> ideas. >>>>> Alan >>>>>> Sondheim usefully points out that for those of us who do not li= ve >> in >>>> NYC >>>>>> or, perhaps, SF, the List is a much-needed vehicle to grasp the >> full >>>>> scope >>>>>> of literary activity in our time, much less to figure out where= , >> when >>>> or >>>>> if >>>>>> we want to "submit." The fact of moderation has limited the >>>> spontaneity >>>>> of >>>>>> exchange, and as a result exchange itself. Yet it is ALSO true >> that >>>>>> flamers and narcissists, when they arise (and they will, >> eventually) >>>> need >>>>>> to quietly and efficiently be moved aside. Can there be >> spontaneity >>>>> within >>>>>> moderation? Can there be collective ways of dealing with the >> flamers >>>>> which >>>>>> bypass listmods? Who knows? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let the Poetics List 2 begin, either through institutional >>> sponsorship >>>>> or >>>>>> "under that table," so to speak. (And, thinking ecologically, = I >>> wonder >>>>>> which model would be more sustainable, for a generation or more= .) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Laura Hinton, I'm in-- whatever evolves. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What's that Pound line about "commerce between us?" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yours in (poetic) struggle-- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark DuCharme >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark DuCharme >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Miekal's point, of course, was that >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500 >>>>>>>> From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >>>>>> ----------------------- >>>>>>>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" < >>>>> POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> >>>>>>>> Poster: Murat Nemet-Nejat >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also think a discussion list would be the best way to go. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Murat >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Joel Weishaus < >> pdx00282@pdx.edu> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just looked at this site, and see several people from th= e >>>> Poetics >>>>>> List >>>>>>>>> are already involved. >>>>>>>>> I like email discussion lists for conversation and >> announcements >>>>>> better >>>>>>>>> than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this >> list. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>>>> Joel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Joel Weishaus >>>>>>>>> Artist-in-Residence >>>>>>>>> Pacifica Graduate Institute >>>>>>>>> 249 Lambert Road >>>>>>>>> Carpinteria, CA 93013 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Homepage: >>>>>>>>> http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >>>>>>>>> Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: >>>>>>>>> www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >>>>>>>>>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're >>>> interested >>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >>>>>>>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>>>>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jim Finnegan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. >> Check >>>>>>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>>>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > Check >>>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Che= ck >>>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tyrone Williams >>>>>> >>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Chec= k >>>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> THX >>>> MJM >>>> >>>> http://about.me/clevercelt >>>> http://www.michaeljmaguire.com >>>> >>>> Michael J. Maguire >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >> please >>>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE >> this >>>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might exten= d >> the >>>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all >> participants >>>> will be informed of such options. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-projec= t >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE > this >>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend > the >>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all > participants >>> will be informed of such options. >>> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; plea= se >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend th= e >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participant= s >> will be informed of such options. >> > > > > -- > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 12:42:22 -0500 > From: Francesco Levato > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have > an=3D20=3D > > automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam attack= =3D > s, but=3D20 > someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the boa= =3D > rd. So,=3D20 > hopefully moderation will help on that end. > > Best, > Francesco > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:09:21 -0500 > From: William Austin > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > Adding my appreciation for all your hard work and vision, Charles. > > Best, William James Austin > > Sent from my iPod > > On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:45 AM, "Michael J. Maguire" > wro=3D > te: > >> Thank you for this list Charles. >> =3D20 >> As a mere 'blow-in' of seven years lurking, this list has been >> inspirational and informative, providing a connection to an otherworld > I'd=3D > >> rarely encounter otherwise. >> =3D20 >> Thanks to all who posted and gave it life. >> =3D20 >> Michael. >> =3D20 >> =3D20 >> =3D20 >> =3D20 >> On 25 January 2014 16:54, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: >> =3D20 >>> Hi, Mark, >>> =3D20 >>> I think by "moderation" mIEKAL meant not a moderator, but the > imposition o=3D > f >>> restraint. I agree with mIEKAL that moderation served us badly. At the > en=3D > d, >>> while it helped the List survive as a central posting medium to announ= ce >>> poetry events and publications, it resulted in the atrophy of the List > as=3D > a >>> forum for heated intellectual exchange. >>> =3D20 >>> Murat >>> =3D20 >>> =3D20 >>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:13 AM, tyrone williams < > suspend@earthlink.net >>>> wrote: >>> =3D20 >>>> Though I've been more a lurker than active participant I agree with > Alan=3D > , >>>> Mark et al that Charles' and Amy's work has been especially useful fo= r >>>> those of us outside the major media centers in North America. And I t= oo >>> am >>>> in for whatever evolves as PL 2.0. >>>> =3D20 >>>> =3D20 >>>> Tyrone >>>> =3D20 >>>> =3D20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Mark >>>>> Sent: Jan 25, 2014 3:17 AM >>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>> =3D20 >>>>> This reminds me a bit of the old days. I'm actually reading what >>>> everybody posts, because there's a genuine discussion, an exchange. > Who=3D > >>>> knew? >>>>> =3D20 >>>>> I neglected to thank Charles in my earlier post, as well as everyone >>> else >>>> who has been involved. I think Amy King's tenure as listmod, though, > ha=3D > s >>>> been particularly noteworthy. I think she deserves special thanks, >>> whether >>>> or not you agree with Miekal=3DE2=3D80=3D94 and I certainly think he = has a > poi=3D > nt=3DE2=3D80=3D94 that >>>> moderation has not served the list well in the long run. Whether or > not=3D > >>>> *moderation* is good for the list or not, though, is an entirely > separat=3D > e >>>> matter from the various moderators themselves. All have been very > good,=3D > >>>> but Amy King did it for incredibly long, and her tenure seems to have >>> been >>>> seamless, without controversy. (I say 'seems,' of course, because I >>>> haven't been reading every post, like I did in the old days.) >>>>> =3D20 >>>>> This list, clearly, has been a special exchange for many of us, at > leas=3D > t >>>> at some time or another, and that energy still exists and clearly (no= t >>> just >>>> for myself) needs another outlet. I am hoping we can collectively > figur=3D > e >>>> out how to channel it. I agree with those who said (as I previously >>> said) >>>> that FB is not a good medium for such an exchange. I personally like > th=3D > e >>>> listserv/email technological model, but that may not work for most >>> people, >>>> especially as technology evolves. I agree that the need exists, not > jus=3D > t >>>> for discussion and exchange of ideas, but for basic information as to >>>> what's going on. I never thought that calls for work or publication >>>> announcements were inherently less important than exchange of ideas. >>> Alan >>>> Sondheim usefully points out that for those of us who do not live in > NYC=3D > >>>> or, perhaps, SF, the List is a much-needed vehicle to grasp the full >>> scope >>>> of literary activity in our time, much less to figure out where, when > or=3D > >>> if >>>> we want to "submit." The fact of moderation has limited the > spontaneity=3D > >>> of >>>> exchange, and as a result exchange itself. Yet it is ALSO true that >>>> flamers and narcissists, when they arise (and they will, eventually) > nee=3D > d >>>> to quietly and efficiently be moved aside. Can there be spontaneity >>> within >>>> moderation? Can there be collective ways of dealing with the flamers >>> which >>>> bypass listmods? Who knows? >>>>> =3D20 >>>>> Let the Poetics List 2 begin, either through institutional sponsorsh= ip >>> or >>>> "under that table," so to speak. (And, thinking ecologically, I wond= er >>>> which model would be more sustainable, for a generation or more.) >>>>> =3D20 >>>>> Laura Hinton, I'm in=3DE2=3D80=3D94 whatever evolves. >>>>> =3D20 >>>>> What's that Pound line about "commerce between us?" >>>>> =3D20 >>>>> Yours in (poetic) struggle=3DE2=3D80=3D94 >>>>> =3D20 >>>>> =3D20 >>>>> Mark DuCharme >>>>> =3D20 >>>>> =3D20 >>>>> Mark DuCharme >>>>> =3D20 >>>>> Miekal's point, of course, was that >>>>> =3D20 >>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500 >>>>>> From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >>>> ----------------------- >>>>>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" < >>> POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> >>>>>> Poster: Murat Nemet-Nejat >>>>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>>>> =3D20 >>>> =3D20 >>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= =3D > ------ >>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>> I also think a discussion list would be the best way to go. >>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>> Murat >>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Joel Weishaus >>>> wrote: >>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>>> I just looked at this site, and see several people from the Poetic= s >>>> List >>>>>>> are already involved. >>>>>>> I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcements >>>> better >>>>>>> than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this list. >>>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>> Joel >>>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Joel Weishaus >>>>>>> Artist-in-Residence >>>>>>> Pacifica Graduate Institute >>>>>>> 249 Lambert Road >>>>>>> Carpinteria, CA 93013 >>>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>>> Homepage: >>>>>>> http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >>>>>>> Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: >>>>>>> www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm >>>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>>> On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: >>>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>>>> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >>>>>>>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're intereste= d >>>> in >>>>>>>> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >>>>>>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>>>>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>>>> Jim Finnegan >>>>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>>> > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>> =3D20 >>>>>> > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=3D > >>>>> =3D20 >>>>> > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Maguire >> =3D20 >> > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please d=3D > o not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available a=3D > t http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this exception: > Info=3D > rmation regarding discussion groups that might extend the work of the > Poetic=3D > s List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants will be informed o= f > s=3D > uch options. > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 18:16:03 +0000 > From: Walsh Mills > Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 23 Jan 2014 to 24 Jan 2014 (#2014-10) > > Last posts, but change is good, seems to be facing towards further. > Thank you Charles and each set of moderators who made it work for so long= . > Signed up a long time ago but not early, internet access a problem. > Since with sporadic, intermittent, then continuous access those email > reminders of poets & past poetic pleasantries/ platitudes/ plaints/ pleas= / > rants were often fun. Though I have mostly lurked it did mean I was not a= s > cut off. > I thought Alan Sondheim, Jim Andrews, Amy Ballardini and MiKEAL aND above > were all sounding out useful pointers > Best, > Catherine Walsh.. > > > > On 25 January 2014 05:01, POETICS automatic digest system < > LISTSERV@listserv.buffalo.edu> wrote: > >> There are 36 messages totalling 2630 lines in this issue. >> >> Topics of the day: >> >> 1. Poetics List (1993-2014) (7) >> 2. the last posts (2) >> 3. Poetics +++ (3) >> 4. Poetics List (1993-2014) - to Charles Bernstein >> 5. Any chance for one last post to move to the future? >> 6. Solitude, reef, star (2) >> 7. What will be missed =3D85 (10) >> 8. CASITA BOILER: five volumes >> 9. Thanks, Praise and a place to migrate >> 10. What will be missed =3D85 (2) >> 11. For all who >> 12. Onward! (2) >> 13. lists (3) >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:24:31 -0800 >> From: Catherine Daly >> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >> >> I would look forward to wrangling over the sound track to this film. >> >> Catherine Daly >> c.a.b.daly@gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Kevin Killian >> wrote: >> >>> Charles, perhaps a final American Graffiti moment to tell us where th= ey >>> are now, the men and women who started this strange utopian project a= nd >>> whose names were once as familiar to me as my own? >>> >>> Maybe that's the urge of the novelist, not the poet. >>> >>> Thanks for doing this, >>> >>> xxx Kevin K. >>> >>> >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 22:32:05 -0500 >> From: Daniel Zimmerman >> Subject: Re: the last posts >> >> Charles, >> >> Thank you for a useful and >> inspiring forum that has sustained >> and promoted a unique poetic >> community for many years. >> >> ~ Dan Zimmerman, UB 1962-70; 1983 >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:15:27 -0500 >> From: Alan Sondheim >> Subject: Poetics +++ >> >> (Also want to point out re: recent posts that there were feminist and >> other poetics newsgroups before that got spammed into close to non- >> existence, and the BBS systems carried similar - lists/listserves were >> only one of the early forms of dissemination. That said, however - ) >> >> I do wish the list could continue under other auspices; it provides an >> incredible service that really can't be replaced by IM or Facebook >> pages... It's difficult enough to find out about poetry/poetics events, >> publications, content, even with the list; without it, those of us out = of >> the imminent NYC scene are a bit at a loss - >> >> - Alan >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:25:54 +1100 >> From: Pam Brown >> Subject: Poetics List (1993-2014) - to Charles Bernstein >> >> Dear Charles, >> >> Me too. >> >> The Poetics list has been a great resource for me, especially living, a= s > =3D > I >> do, in Sydney Australia. >> I loved the early discussions and I have met some invaluable longterm >> poetry friends on this list. >> >> Thank you, >> Every best wish to you & fellow poeticists, >> Pam >> >> -- >> ____________________________________________ >> >> http://thedeletions.blogspot.com/ >> http://pambrownbooks.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.shearsman.com/pages/books/catalog/2013/brown.html >> >> >> ___________________________________________________ >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 08:38:19 +0000 >> From: michael farrell >> Subject: Re: Any chance for one last post to move to the future? >> >> a last request from me .. >> >> if there are any poets in rome between february & july who would like t= o >> ge=3D3D >> t in contact please b/c me >> >> at limecha@hotmail.com >> >> thanks for access to all your worlds >> >> michael >> >>> Date: Fri=3D3D2C 24 Jan 2014 02:19:02 +0000 >>> From: dseaman40@MAC.COM >>> Subject: Any chance for one last post to move to the future? >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> =3D3D20 >>> Here it is: >>> AMULETS is a publication devoted to AMericans Using LETters and Signs= . >> I=3D3D >> nspired and informed by the traditions of Dada=3D3D2C concrete poetry= =3D3D2C >> lettri=3D3D >> sm and INIsmo=3D3D2C this journal gathers contributions from practition= ers > =3D > of >> t=3D3D >> he visual poetry community=3D3D2C and publishes them in two forms: an > on-li=3D > ne >> w=3D3D >> ebsite with complete texts=3D3D2C and a limited edition series of amule= ts >> (suit=3D3D >> able as neckwear) that will contain fragments of the complete texts. >>> =3D3D20 >>> The inaugural issue will be devoted to PRESCRIPTIONS=3D3D2C ie: > statement=3D > s >> of=3D3D >> purpose=3D3D2C ideology=3D3D2C principles=3D3D2C guidelines=3D3D2C > orientations.=3D > Etc. >>> =3D3D20 >>> The editors are David W. Seaman=3D3D2C founder=3D3D2C and Paul Lamber= t. > Sea=3D > man >> is=3D3D >> a scholar of avant-garde 20th century poetry=3D3D2C author of the > book=3D3D2=3D > C >> Fren=3D3D >> ch Concrete Poetry and other essays on the subject. Paul Lambert has be= en >> d=3D3D >> ubbed the =3D3D93King of INIUSA=3D3D2C=3D3D94 recognizing his role as a= n > avant-=3D > garde >> ar=3D3D >> tist in America. >>> =3D3D20 >>> All works will remain the property of the artist=3D3D2C with permissi= on > t=3D > o >> AM=3D3D >> ULETS for one-time publication. >>> =3D3D20 >>> Contributors selected for the inaugural issue will be able to display >> the=3D3D >> ir statement of principle=3D3D2C and from one to three original works t= hat >> illu=3D3D >> strate their orientation. >>> =3D3D20 >>> SEND statements of interest=3D3D2C proposals=3D3D2C manifestos=3D3D2C= visual > =3D > poetry=3D3D >> =3D3D2C and position papers to dseaman40@me.com >>> =3D3D20 >>> =3D3D20 >>> =3D3D20 >>> =3D3D20 >>> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3= D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelin=3D3D >> es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> =3D3D >> >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:57:30 +0000 >> From: "Wystan Curnow (ARTS ENG)" >> Subject: Re: the last posts >> >> =3D3D0A=3D3D >> Utopian, community building, egalitarian, innovatory---all these apply = to >> t=3D3D >> he Poetics List. It certainly profoundly changed my sense (far flung he= re >> i=3D3D >> n Auckland) of the world--so much larger and accessible--in which quali= ty >> d=3D3D >> iscussion of poetry might take place. I thank Charles for that, and tho= se >> w=3D3D >> ho contributed so fully, especially in those early years when the >> uniquenes=3D3D >> s of the technological moment that he and Loss had captured was so > clear.=3D > =3D3D >> =3D3D0A=3D3D >> Wystan=3D3D0A=3D3D >> =3D3D0A=3D3D >> =3D3D0A=3D3D >> Wystan Curnow=3D3D0A=3D3D >> Professor of English (Emeritus)=3D3D0A=3D3D >> University of Auckland=3D3D0A=3D3D >> Private Bag 92019=3D3D0A=3D3D >> Auckland, NEW ZEALAND=3D3D0A=3D3D >> Ph. 64.09.3737599 work=3D3D0A=3D3D >> 64.09. 480.7134 home=3D3D0A=3D3D >> Fax 64.09. 3737429=3D3D0A=3D3D >> ________________________________________=3D3D0A=3D3D >> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] on behalf >> of =3D3D >> blacksox [blacksox@ATT.NET]=3D3D0A=3D3D >> Sent: Friday, 24 January 2014 1:42 p.m.=3D3D0A=3D3D >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=3D3D0A=3D3D >> Subject: Re: the last posts=3D3D0A=3D3D >> =3D3D0A=3D3D >> Thanks Charles and all those involved.=3D3D0A=3D3D >> =3D3D0A=3D3D >> =3D3D0A=3D3D >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S=3D3DAE4=3D3D0A=3D3D >> =3D3D0A=3D3D >> -------- Original message --------=3D3D0A=3D3D >> From: aldonlnielsen@GMAIL.COM=3D3D0A=3D3D >> Date:01/23/2014 12:36 PM (GMT-05:00)=3D3D0A=3D3D >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=3D3D0A=3D3D >> Subject: Re: the last posts=3D3D0A=3D3D >> =3D3D0A=3D3D >> Before we go, could someone please, one last time, denounce the rest of > u=3D > s >> =3D3D >> for not talking about poetics, send me a back channel flame, and rail >> again=3D3D >> st the tyranny of Buffalo? I miss those days.=3D3D0A=3D3D >> =3D3D0A=3D3D >> =3D3D0A=3D3D >> True, many of our discussions have migrated to FaceBook and elsewhere, > bu=3D > t >> =3D3D >> this list has continued over the years to be a place I could turn to fo= r >> mu=3D3D >> ch needed information. I recall the time it only took Ron Silliman a >> minut=3D3D >> e to come up with an identification that had been puzzling me in a Bob >> Kauf=3D3D >> man poem.=3D3D0A=3D3D >> =3D3D0A=3D3D >> =3D3D0A=3D3D >> =3D3D0A=3D3D >> So, thanks again to Charles and the moderators for years of pleasure an= d >> in=3D3D >> formation.=3D3D0A=3D3D >> >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:36:49 +0000 >> From: Jonathan Skinner >> Subject: Solitude, reef, star >> >> Salute >> >> Nothing, this spume, virgin verse >> Only to point to the cup; >> So afar many a troupe >> Of sirens drowns in reverse. >> >> We navigate, O my diverse >> Friends, me now on the poop >> You the sumptuous prow to reap >> Lightnings and seasons perverse; >> >> A fine ivresse brings me >> Fearless of its very pitch >> To bear upright this salute >> >> Solitude, reef, star >> To whatever is worth >> The white concern of our sheet. >> >> (Cid Corman, after Mallarm=3D3DE9) >> >> Thank you, Charles (& Joel, Chris, Lori, Amy): the whole world came =3D= 3D20 >> aboard . . . >> >> Onward! >> >> Jonathan=3D3D20=3D3D >> >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 06:57:14 -0800 >> From: carol dorf >> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >> >> I'll miss the list -- I began to read many poets through following the >> posts. >> Thank you Charles, and all the other people who worked on the list. >> Carol >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Carol Dorf >> talkingwriting.com >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:25:29 +0100 >> From: Laura Hinton >> Subject: What will be missed =3D3D?windows-1252?Q?=3D3D85?=3D3D >> >> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual > spa=3D > ce >> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/= or >> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such lis= ts >> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, man= y > =3D > of >> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >> >> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has > provide=3D > d >> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >> >> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and > pulse=3D > . >> >> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this > functi=3D > on >> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >> available? Any volunteers?) >> >> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't >> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate thes= e >> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >> >> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a >> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >> >> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-goin= g >> discussion: >> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >> >> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a >> potential list: >> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >> >> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >> >> Best to all, >> Laura >> >> >> -- >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> >> >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >> Circe* >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 09:53:06 -0600 >> From: mIEKAL aND >> Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D3D?windows-1252?Q?=3D3D85?=3D3D >> >> I wonder how many people are subbed to the Poetics list? It would be a >> simple matter to start another list.. >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Laura Hinton >> wrote: >> >>> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual >> space >>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language > and/=3D > or >>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such > lis=3D > ts >>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, > man=3D > y >> of >>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>> >>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has >> provided >>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for postin= g >>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience= . >>> >>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and >> pulse. >>> >>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this >> function >>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how thi= s >>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >>> available? Any volunteers?) >>> >>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don= 't >>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate > thes=3D > e >>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>> >>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even= a >>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>> >>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for > on-goin=3D > g >>> discussion: >>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>> >>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on= a >>> potential list: >>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>> >>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>> >>> Best to all, >>> Laura >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Laura Hinton >>> Professor of English >>> City College of New York >>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>> New York, New York 10031 >>> >>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>> >>> >>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >>> Circe* >>> >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3= D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm=3D > l >>> >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:29:54 GMT >> From: "skyplums@juno.com" >> Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3D3D85?=3D3D >> >> well tho i'm not the guy to do it someone should set up a similar list= =3D > =3D3D >> for postings >> we need it facebook just isn't enough and is so artificial >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: Laura Hinton >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: What will be missed =3D3D85 >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:25:29 +0100 >> >> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual s= p=3D > =3D3D >> ace >> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/= o=3D > =3D3D >> r >> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such lis= t=3D > =3D3D >> s >> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, man= y=3D > =3D3D >> of >> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >> >> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has provi= d=3D > =3D3D >> ed >> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >> >> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and pul= s=3D > =3D3D >> e. >> >> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this func= t=3D > =3D3D >> ion >> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >> available? Any volunteers?) >> >> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't >> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate thes= e=3D > =3D3D >> >> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >> >> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a >> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >> >> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-goin= g=3D > =3D3D >> >> discussion: >> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >> >> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a >> potential list: >> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >> >> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >> >> Best to all, >> Laura >> >> >> -- =3D3D >> >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> >> >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- C= i=3D > =3D3D >> rce* >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidel= i=3D > =3D3D >> nes & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 08:47:38 -0800 >> From: { brad brace } >> Subject: CASITA BOILER: five volumes >> >> METADATA CASITA BOILER: Entrenched Codes of Silent >> Vivienda Clasificados (Exfiltration Series) >> >> >> VOL 1 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HATOMI0 >> VOL 2 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HBGLMVM >> VOL 3 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HMGUZ4Q >> VOL 4 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HZ6HM26 >> VOL 5 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HZ6HJHY >> >> >> an illustrated domestic/historical installment-novel (archive): >> >> ten 66-inch-long exquisitely designed boiler/filler pages of >> received/random >> transcriptions from ETAOIN SHRDLU >> >> http: www.bbrace.net/ppp/ppp.html >> http: www.bradbrace.net/ppp/ppp.html >> >> >> graphic design, photography, artist publication, metadata, boilerplate, >> serial novel, >> real estate >> >> >> CASITA BOILER >> CASITA BOILER: Entrenched Codes of Silent >> Vivienda Clasificados (Exfiltration Series) >> >> an illustrated domestic/historical installment-novel (archive): >> >> >> $400 artist/writer looking for a cheap room (Victoria) >> I'm looking to rent a room anywhere biking distance to Oak >> Bay. 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If someone had a space to >> park the trailer with R.V. hook ups walking distance to >> town, that woi >> Thanks & God bless you. ~ Call Mark Nellesen @ 805-391-4009 >> >> >> http: www.bbrace.net/ppp/ppp.html >> http: www.bradbrace.net/ppp/ppp.html >> >> METADATA CASITA BOILER: Entrenched Codes of Silent >> Vivienda Clasificados (Exfiltration Series) >> >> >> VOL 1 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HATOMI0 >> VOL 2 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HBGLMVM >> VOL 3 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HMGUZ4Q >> VOL 4 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HZ6HM26 >> VOL 5 http://www.amazon.con/dp/B00HZ6HJHY >> >> >> an illustrated domestic/historical installment-novel (archive): >> >> ten 66-inch-long exquisitely designed boiler/filler pages of >> received/random >> transcriptions from ETAOIN SHRDLU >> >> http: www.bbrace.net/ppp/ppp.html >> http: www.bradbrace.net/ppp/ppp.html >> >> CASITA BOILER: Entrenched Codes of Silent Vivienda Clasificados >> >> graphic design, photography, artist publication, metadata, boilerplate, >> serial novel, >> real estate >> >> >> /:b >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 11:58:42 -0500 >> From: Nicholas Piombino >> Subject: Re: Poetics +++ >> >> Alan, >> >> I knew that when I made the point about the Buffalo Listserv preceding >> blogging, someone would supply corrected information. If this was years > a=3D > go >> I might have even guessed that it would be you! Seeing your work on her= e > =3D > is >> one of the things I have missed, and having heard you've recently moved= , > =3D > I >> hope all is going well with you! >> >> Best wishes, >> Nick >> >> >> On 1/24/14 12:15 AM, "Alan Sondheim" wrote: >> >>> (Also want to point out re: recent posts that there were feminist and >>> other poetics newsgroups before that got spammed into close to non- >>> existence, and the BBS systems carried similar - lists/listserves wer= e >>> only one of the early forms of dissemination. That said, however - ) >>> >>> I do wish the list could continue under other auspices; it provides a= n >>> incredible service that really can't be replaced by IM or Facebook >>> pages... It's difficult enough to find out about poetry/poetics event= s, >>> publications, content, even with the list; without it, those of us ou= t > =3D > of >>> the imminent NYC scene are a bit at a loss - >>> >>> - Alan >>> >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3= D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & >>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:24:34 -0500 >> From: Martha Mims >> Subject: Thanks, Praise and a place to migrate >> >> Thanks Charles for being the catalyst for something virtual but very > real=3D > . >> E=3D3D >> njoy your free time too!=3D3D20 >> >> For those of you sad to lose something so valuable to the world of poet= ry >> >> I could host a poetics list by creating a poetics list category at List= en >> an=3D3D >> d Be Heard Poetry Cafe=3D3D20 >> http://www.listenandbeheard.net/poetry/ >> Registered users could post to that category. It could be moderated, bu= t >> not=3D3D >> by me entirely.... >> >> If there's interest just let me know. >> Wishing you Peace and Poetry >> Martha Cinader Mims >> >> >>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Laura Hinton >> =3D3D20 >>> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual >> spac=3D3D >> e >>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language > and/=3D > or >>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such > lis=3D > ts >>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, > man=3D > y >> o=3D3D >> f >>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>> =3D3D20 >>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has >> provided=3D3D >> >>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for postin= g >>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience= . >>> =3D3D20 >>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and >> pulse.=3D3D >> >>> =3D3D20 >>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this >> functio=3D3D >> n >>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how thi= s >>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >>> available? Any volunteers?) >>> =3D3D20 >>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don= 't >>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate > thes=3D > e >>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>> =3D3D20 >>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even= a >>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>> =3D3D20 >>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for > on-goin=3D > g >>> discussion: >>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>> =3D3D20 >>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on= a >>> potential list: >>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>> =3D3D20 >>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>> =3D3D20 >>> Best to all, >>> Laura >>> =3D3D20 >>> =3D3D20 >>> --=3D3D20 >>> Laura Hinton >>> Professor of English >>> City College of New York >>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>> New York, New York 10031 >>> =3D3D20 >>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>> =3D3D20 >>> =3D3D20 >>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >> Circ=3D3D >> e* >>> =3D3D20 >>> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guideline=3D3D >> s & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:43:09 -0500 >> From: Murat Nemet-Nejat >> Subject: Re: Poetics +++ >> >> I second Alan. >> >> Murat >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Alan Sondheim >> wrote: >> >>> (Also want to point out re: recent posts that there were feminist and >>> other poetics newsgroups before that got spammed into close to non- >>> existence, and the BBS systems carried similar - lists/listserves wer= e >>> only one of the early forms of dissemination. That said, however - ) >>> >>> I do wish the list could continue under other auspices; it provides a= n >>> incredible service that really can't be replaced by IM or Facebook >> pages... >>> It's difficult enough to find out about poetry/poetics events, >>> publications, content, even with the list; without it, those of us ou= t > =3D > of >>> the imminent NYC scene are a bit at a loss - >>> >>> - Alan >>> >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3= D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm=3D > l >>> >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:10:58 -0500 >> From: Alan Sondheim >> Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D3D?UTF-8?Q?=3D3DE2=3D3D80=3D3DA6?= =3D3D >> >> I think, one way or another, the list should continue; Fb is bad for a >> number of reasons: it's noisy, the feeds are noisy, the privacy setting= s >> are arcane, things get lost in the mix, the constant advertising - >> including advertising in the midst of the feeds now - is bad, it's easy > t=3D > o >> spoof or hack, there are too many bells and whistles graphics, the mobi= le >> apps are limited, the software keeps trying to get you to fill out more >> personal information, discussions are often derailed, and a monthly >> updating of anything online is simply too slow at this point. Email is > fa=3D > r >> more secure, leaner, runs on a variety of clients, is easy to use on >> mobile, and comes to you; you can also save emails in a directory for >> future reference. I'd like to see someone take over the list at this > poin=3D > t >> and I hope that Charles would allow it to continue running until that >> might be a real possibility, at least a week or two. >> >> Thanks, Alan >> >> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Laura Hinton wrote: >> >>> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual >> space >>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language > and/=3D > or >>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such > lis=3D > ts >>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, > man=3D > y >> of >>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>> >>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has >> provided >>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for postin= g >>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience= . >>> >>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and >> pulse. >>> >>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this >> function >>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how thi= s >>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >>> available? Any volunteers?) >>> >>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don= 't >>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate > thes=3D > e >>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>> >>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even= a >>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>> >>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for > on-goin=3D > g >>> discussion: >>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>> >>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on= a >>> potential list: >>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>> >>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>> >>> Best to all, >>> Laura >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Laura Hinton >>> Professor of English >>> City College of New York >>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>> New York, New York 10031 >>> >>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>> >>> >>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >> Circe* >>> >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3= D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >>> >>> >> >> =3D3D=3D3D >> email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ >> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 >> music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ >> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt >> =3D3D=3D3D >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:23:53 -0500 >> From: Brian Clements >> Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D3D?Windows-1252?Q?=3D3D85?=3D3D >> >> Please add my appreciation of Charles and the list managers to all of t= he >> c=3D3D >> ollected expressions thus far. No future representation of poetry and >> poeti=3D3D >> cs of the last 20 years will be sufficient without taking into account > th=3D > e >> =3D3D >> community, activity, and influence of the Poetics list.=3D3D20 >> >> As for ways to carry forward (re: Laura Hinton and others), I would thi= nk >> t=3D3D >> hat an invitation-only blog (through Wordpress, for example) would work >> sim=3D3D >> ilarly to this listserv, though I'm not sure a digest option would be >> possi=3D3D >> ble.=3D3D20 >> >> With gratitude, >> Brian Clements >> ________________________________________ >> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf >> Of =3D3D >> Laura Hinton [laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM] >> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:25 AM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: What will be missed =3D3D85 >> >> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual > spa=3D > ce >> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/= or >> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such lis= ts >> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, man= y > =3D > of >> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >> >> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has > provide=3D > d >> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >> >> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and > pulse=3D > . >> >> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this > functi=3D > on >> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >> available? Any volunteers?) >> >> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don't >> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate thes= e >> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >> >> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even a >> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >> >> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for on-goin= g >> discussion: >> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >> >> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on a >> potential list: >> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >> >> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >> >> Best to all, >> Laura >> >> >> -- >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> >> >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >> Circe=3D3D >> * >> >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines=3D3D >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:26:32 -0500 >> From: Marthe Reed >> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >> >> Soundtrack wrangling, yes! And yes! Thank you, Charles and to all who > mad=3D > e >> it possible. To the list. >> >> Marthe >> >> Marthe Reed >> >> _____________________________________ >> >> *Poetry is made in a bed like love* >> *Its rumpled sheets are the dawn of things* >> *Poetry is made in the woods* >> >> --Andre Breton, "On the road to San Romano" >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Catherine Daly >> wrote: >> >>> I would look forward to wrangling over the sound track to this film. >>> >>> Catherine Daly >>> c.a.b.daly@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Kevin Killian >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Charles, perhaps a final American Graffiti moment to tell us where > th=3D > ey >>>> are now, the men and women who started this strange utopian project > a=3D > nd >>>> whose names were once as familiar to me as my own? >>>> >>>> Maybe that's the urge of the novelist, not the poet. >>>> >>>> Thanks for doing this, >>>> >>>> xxx Kevin K. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3= D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm=3D > l >>> >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:32:31 -0500 >> From: Jim Finnegan >> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >> >> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >> =3D3D20 >> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're interested in >> subbin=3D3D >> g to NewPoetry, here's the link... >> =3D3D20 >> New-Poetry mailing list >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> =3D3D20 >> >> Jim Finnegan >> =3D3D20 >> >> >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------Dat= =3D > e:=3D3D >> Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:32:51 -0500From: Charles Bernstein >> > stein@English.Upenn.Edu>Subject: Poetics List (1993-2014)I started the >> Poet=3D3D >> ics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo andco-founded the >> Poeti=3D3D >> cs Program and a little while before the founding of theElectronic Poet= ry >> C=3D3D >> enter. At that time the this list was a radically newformat. But it has >> bee=3D3D >> n over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not longerviable for me to >> con=3D3D >> tinue to sponsor the list.I want to thanks the list moderators, a role >> firs=3D3D >> t introduced in 1999: JoelKuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori Emerson, and ou= r >> lo=3D3D >> ngest serving moderator AmyKing. I am grateful to them for the work the= y >> ha=3D3D >> ve done.While I have not been active on the list in recent years, I do >> foll=3D3D >> ow the posts.And over the years the list has been great company and the >> ori=3D3D >> gin of friendshipsfor many of us and some great conversations.More >> informat=3D3D >> ion on the list athttp:// > epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.htmlThearchi=3D > v=3D3D >> es should remain in place.Charles > Bernstein=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3DThe=3D3D >> Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:58:04 -0500 >> From: sylvester >> Subject: Re: Solitude, reef, star >> >> Delighted !! delighted,and as far the salute, I did not try to finger i= t >> all.;Love to you and yours. >> Bill >> --- >> sylvester@acsu.buffalo.edu >> >> On 01/24/2014 7:36 am, Jonathan Skinner wrote: >>> Salute >>> >>> Nothing, this spume, virgin verse >>> Only to point to the cup; >>> So afar many a troupe >>> Of sirens drowns in reverse. >>> >>> We navigate, O my diverse >>> Friends, me now on the poop >>> You the sumptuous prow to reap >>> Lightnings and seasons perverse; >>> >>> A fine ivresse brings me >>> Fearless of its very pitch >>> To bear upright this salute >>> >>> Solitude, reef, star >>> To whatever is worth >>> The white concern of our sheet. >>> >>> (Cid Corman, after Mallarm=3DE9) >>> >>> Thank you, Charles (& Joel, Chris, Lori, Amy): the whole world came >>> aboard . . . >>> >>> Onward! >>> >>> Jonathan =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:06:05 -0600 >> From: ShaunAnne Tangney >> Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D3D?windows-1252?Q?=3D3D85?=3D3D >> >> The Robinson Jeffers listserv has been shuffled around from one academi= c > =3D > =3D3D >> institution/server to another as people have moved from job to job, and= =3D > =3D3D >> at this point, the Association is working to move it to a non-academic = =3D > =3D3D >> affiliation/server. I'm not involved, and I don't know how to do it, = =3D3D >> but I know it is being done. I believe the RJA is looking to move the = =3D > =3D3D >> listserv to Dotster, which hosts the RJA website. >> >> I've almost always been a lurker on this list (I've belonged since abou= t > =3D > =3D3D >> 1995--goodness!) but I have always enjoyed and appreciated it. Thanks = =3D > =3D3D >> to all who have maintained it all these years, to all who post and argu= e > =3D > =3D3D >> and delight and muddle on it, and to whoever among you out there who = =3D3D >> might figure out how to keep the list going! >> >> >> On Jan 24, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote: >> >>> I think, one way or another, the list should continue; Fb is bad for = a > =3D > =3D3D >> number of reasons: it's noisy, the feeds are noisy, the privacy setting= s > =3D > =3D3D >> are arcane, things get lost in the mix, the constant advertising - =3D3= D >> including advertising in the midst of the feeds now - is bad, it's easy= =3D > =3D3D >> to spoof or hack, there are too many bells and whistles graphics, the = =3D3D >> mobile apps are limited, the software keeps trying to get you to fill = =3D3D >> out more personal information, discussions are often derailed, and a = =3D3D >> monthly updating of anything online is simply too slow at this point. = =3D3D >> Email is far more secure, leaner, runs on a variety of clients, is easy= =3D > =3D3D >> to use on mobile, and comes to you; you can also save emails in a =3D3D >> directory for future reference. I'd like to see someone take over the = =3D3D >> list at this point and I hope that Charles would allow it to continue = =3D3D >> running until that might be a real possibility, at least a week or two. >>> =3D3D20 >>> Thanks, Alan >>> =3D3D20 >>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Laura Hinton wrote: >>> =3D3D20 >>>> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtua= l > =3D > =3D3D >> space >>>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language = =3D3D >> and/or >>>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such = =3D > =3D3D >> lists >>>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, = =3D > =3D3D >> many of >>>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>>> =3D3D20 >>>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has = =3D3D >> provided >>>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for =3D3D >> posting >>>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific =3D3D >> audience. >>>> =3D3D20 >>>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and = =3D > =3D3D >> pulse. >>>> =3D3D20 >>>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this = =3D3D >> function >>>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is update= d >>>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how = =3D3D >> this >>>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >>>> available? Any volunteers?) >>>> =3D3D20 >>>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive wor= k >>>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I = =3D3D >> don't >>>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate = =3D3D >> these >>>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>>> =3D3D20 >>>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >>>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, eve= n > =3D > =3D3D >> a >>>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>>> =3D3D20 >>>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for =3D3= D >> on-going >>>> discussion: >>>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>>> =3D3D20 >>>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being o= n > =3D > =3D3D >> a >>>> potential list: >>>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>>> =3D3D20 >>>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>>> =3D3D20 >>>> Best to all, >>>> Laura >>>> =3D3D20 >>>> =3D3D20 >>>> --=3D3D20 >>>> Laura Hinton >>>> Professor of English >>>> City College of New York >>>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>>> New York, New York 10031 >>>> =3D3D20 >>>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>>> =3D3D20 >>>> =3D3D20 >>>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -= - > =3D > =3D3D >> Circe* >>>> =3D3D20 >>>> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =3D= 3D >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >>>> =3D3D20 >>>> =3D3D20 >>> =3D3D20 >>> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>> email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ >>> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 >>> music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ >>> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt >>> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>> =3D3D20 >>> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3= D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =3D3= D >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:15:18 -0500 >> From: Ann Lederer >> Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D3D?windows-1252?Q?=3D3D85?=3D3D >> >> I agree with Alan. I would miss this list. >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Alan Sondheim > wrote=3D > : >> >>> I think, one way or another, the list should continue; Fb is bad for = a >>> number of reasons: it's noisy, the feeds are noisy, the privacy > setting=3D > s >>> are arcane, things get lost in the mix, the constant advertising - >>> including advertising in the midst of the feeds now - is bad, it's ea= sy >> to >>> spoof or hack, there are too many bells and whistles graphics, the > mobi=3D > le >>> apps are limited, the software keeps trying to get you to fill out mo= re >>> personal information, discussions are often derailed, and a monthly >>> updating of anything online is simply too slow at this point. Email i= s >> far >>> more secure, leaner, runs on a variety of clients, is easy to use on >>> mobile, and comes to you; you can also save emails in a directory for >>> future reference. I'd like to see someone take over the list at this >> point >>> and I hope that Charles would allow it to continue running until that >> might >>> be a real possibility, at least a week or two. >>> >>> Thanks, Alan >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Laura Hinton wrote: >>> >>> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtua= l >>>> space >>>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language >> and/or >>>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such >> lists >>>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, > ma=3D > ny >>>> of >>>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>>> >>>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has >> provided >>>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posti= ng >>>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audienc= e. >>>> >>>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and >> pulse. >>>> >>>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this >>>> function >>>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is update= d >>>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how th= is >>>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >>>> available? Any volunteers?) >>>> >>>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive wor= k >>>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I > don'=3D > t >>>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate > the=3D > se >>>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>>> >>>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >>>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, eve= n > =3D > a >>>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>>> >>>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for > on-goi=3D > ng >>>> discussion: >>>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>>> >>>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being o= n > =3D > a >>>> potential list: >>>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>>> >>>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>>> >>>> Best to all, >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Laura Hinton >>>> Professor of English >>>> City College of New York >>>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>>> New York, New York 10031 >>>> >>>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>>> >>>> >>>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -= - >>>> Circe* >>>> >>>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> =3D3D=3D3D >>> email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ >>> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 >>> music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ >>> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt >>> =3D3D=3D3D >>> >>> >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3= D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm=3D > l >>> >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:16:54 -0500 >> From: Francesco Levato >> Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3D3D85?=3D3D >> >> In response to Laura Hinton and others wanting to continue the > conversati=3D > =3D3D >> on. I=3D3D20 >> too am in support of trying to continue the list in another format, and > t=3D > =3D3D >> he idea of=3D3D20 >> a Wordpress based discussion forum could work well. There are server > load=3D > =3D3D >> =3D3D20 >> issues with the email format of a list serv in that most server account= s > =3D > =3D3D >> have a=3D3D20 >> limit on the number of emails that can be sent per hour, so a list like > t=3D > =3D3D >> his could=3D3D20 >> potentially overwhelm such an account (university or corporate server > acc=3D > =3D3D >> ounts=3D3D20 >> don't have these restrictions, but are also expensive). So, a Wordpress > h=3D > =3D3D >> osted=3D3D20 >> discussion forum, without the mass email sending requirements might be >> a=3D3D20=3D3D >> >> solution to this. It would need to be hosted on its own server (not > at=3D3D=3D > 20=3D3D >> >> Wordpres.com) so that we could customize as needed (maybe have category= =3D > =3D3D20=3D3D >> >> filters so you can look for discussions, calls for work, etc.). I could > h=3D > =3D3D >> ost it on the=3D3D20 >> Chicago School of Poetics site, but I'd like to see if there is any > inter=3D > =3D3D >> est in this=3D3D20 >> first as it would be some work to set up. >> >> Also, you can back channel me at: poet@francescolevato.com >> >> Many thanks to Charles and all the moderators for providing this > resource=3D > =3D3D >> . >> >> Best, >> Francesco >> >> >> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:23:53 -0500, Brian Clements >> =3D3D20=3D3D >> >> wrote: >> >>> Please add my appreciation of Charles and the list managers to all of > th=3D > =3D3D >> e=3D3D20 >> collected expressions thus far. No future representation of poetry and > po=3D > =3D3D >> etics of=3D3D20 >> the last 20 years will be sufficient without taking into account the > comm=3D > =3D3D >> unity,=3D3D20 >> activity, and influence of the Poetics list.=3D3D20 >>> >>> As for ways to carry forward (re: Laura Hinton and others), I would > thin=3D > =3D3D >> k that=3D3D20 >> an invitation-only blog (through Wordpress, for example) would work > simil=3D > =3D3D >> arly to=3D3D20 >> this listserv, though I'm not sure a digest option would be > possible.=3D3D2=3D > 0 >>> >>> With gratitude, >>> Brian Clements >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >> Behalf=3D3D20=3D3D >> >> Of Laura Hinton [laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM] >>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:25 AM >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: What will be missed =3D3D85 >>> >>> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual > sp=3D > =3D3D >> ace >>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language > and/o=3D > =3D3D >> r >>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such > list=3D > =3D3D >> s >>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, > many=3D > =3D3D >> of >>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>> >>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has > provid=3D > =3D3D >> ed >>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posting >>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audience. >>> >>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and > puls=3D > =3D3D >> e. >>> >>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this > funct=3D > =3D3D >> ion >>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is updated >>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how this >>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >>> available? Any volunteers?) >>> >>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive work >>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I don'= t >>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate > these=3D > =3D3D >> >>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>> >>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, even = a >>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>> >>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for > on-going=3D > =3D3D >> >>> discussion: >>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>> >>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on = a >>> potential list: >>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>> >>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>> >>> Best to all, >>> Laura >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Laura Hinton >>> Professor of English >>> City College of New York >>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>> New York, New York 10031 >>> >>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>> >>> >>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- > Ci=3D > =3D3D >> rce* >>> >>> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check gui= =3D3D >> delines &=3D3D20 >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check gui= =3D3D >> delines &=3D3D20 >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 22:18:14 +0100 >> From: Anny Ballardini >> Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D3D?windows-1252?Q?=3D3D85?=3D3D >> >> I am with Alan. I hate to see things go. Facebook has derailed us all. >> >> And thank you to Charles Bernstein, and all who have worked hard to kee= p >> this list going. >> Best wishes, >> >> Anny Ballardini >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Alan Sondheim > wrote=3D > : >> >>> I think, one way or another, the list should continue; Fb is bad for = a >>> number of reasons: it's noisy, the feeds are noisy, the privacy > setting=3D > s >>> are arcane, things get lost in the mix, the constant advertising - >>> including advertising in the midst of the feeds now - is bad, it's ea= sy >> t=3D3D >> o >>> spoof or hack, there are too many bells and whistles graphics, the > mobi=3D > le >>> apps are limited, the software keeps trying to get you to fill out mo= re >>> personal information, discussions are often derailed, and a monthly >>> updating of anything online is simply too slow at this point. Email i= s >> fa=3D3D >> r >>> more secure, leaner, runs on a variety of clients, is easy to use on >>> mobile, and comes to you; you can also save emails in a directory for >>> future reference. I'd like to see someone take over the list at this >> poin=3D3D >> t >>> and I hope that Charles would allow it to continue running until that >> mig=3D3D >> ht >>> be a real possibility, at least a week or two. >>> >>> Thanks, Alan >>> >>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Laura Hinton wrote: >>> >>> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtua= l >>>> space >>>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language >> and/o=3D3D >> r >>>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such >> list=3D3D >> s >>>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, > ma=3D > ny >>>> of >>>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>>> >>>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has >> provid=3D3D >> ed >>>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posti= ng >>>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audienc= e. >>>> >>>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and >> puls=3D3D >> e. >>>> >>>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this >>>> function >>>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is update= d >>>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how th= is >>>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >>>> available? Any volunteers?) >>>> >>>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive wor= k >>>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I > don'=3D > t >>>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate > the=3D > se >>>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>>> >>>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >>>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, eve= n > =3D > a >>>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>>> >>>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for > on-goi=3D > ng >>>> discussion: >>>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>>> >>>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being o= n > =3D > a >>>> potential list: >>>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>>> >>>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>>> >>>> Best to all, >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Laura Hinton >>>> Professor of English >>>> City College of New York >>>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>>> New York, New York 10031 >>>> >>>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>>> >>>> >>>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -= - >>>> Circe* >>>> >>>> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>> email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ >>> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 >>> music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ >>> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/si.txt >>> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>> >>> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3= D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm=3D > l >>> >> >> >> >> --=3D3D20 >> Dott.ssa Anny Ballardini, MFA, PhD. >> >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3D3D3Dpoetshome >> http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> =3D3DAB Stulta est clementia, cum tot ubique >> vatibus occurras, periturae parcere chartae =3D3DBB >> Giovenale >> >> Professionista di cui alla Legge n. 4 del 14 gennaio 2013, pubblicata > nel=3D > la >> GU n. 22 del 26/01/2013 >> >> Freiberuflerin laut Gesetz Nr. 4 vom 14. J=3D3DE4nner 2013, > ver=3D3DF6ffentli=3D > cht im >> Amtsblatt Nr. 22 vom 26.1.2013 >> >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 21:35:43 +0000 >> From: Gerald Schwartz >> Subject: For all who >> >> For all who >> attended, >> bewildered >> sometimes, >> instructed >> always, >> in >> instances, >> sure of >> the "go on, >> we will go on" >> will toward all; >> not only for >> them, but >> for all too! >> Thank you. >> >> G. E. Schwartz >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 23:07:46 +0100 >> From: Laura Hinton >> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >> >> Thanks for this, Jim! >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Jim Finnegan wrote= : >> >>> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >>> >>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're interested in >>> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >>> >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> Jim Finnegan >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------Dat= =3D > e: >>> Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:32:51 -0500From: Charles Bernstein < >>> Charles.Bernstein@English.Upenn.Edu>Subject: Poetics List (1993-2014)= I >>> started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo >>> andco-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the > foundin=3D > g >> of >>> theElectronic Poetry Center. At that time the this list was a radical= ly >>> newformat. But it has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is > n=3D > ot >>> longerviable for me to continue to sponsor the list.I want to thanks > th=3D > e >>> list moderators, a role first introduced in 1999: JoelKuszai, Chris >>> Alexander, Lori Emerson, and our longest serving moderator AmyKing. I > a=3D > m >>> grateful to them for the work they have done.While I have not been > acti=3D > ve >>> on the list in recent years, I do follow the posts.And over the years > t=3D > he >>> list has been great company and the origin of friendshipsfor many of = us >> and >>> some great conversations.More information on the list athttp:// >>> epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.htmlThe archives should remain in >>> place.Charles > Bernstein=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3= D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3DThe Poetics List >>> is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsu= b >>> info: >>> >> > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html------------------------------= =3D > Date >> : >>> Fri, 17 Jan >>> >>> >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3= D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm=3D > l >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> >> >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >> Circe* >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 23:18:44 +0100 >> From: Laura Hinton >> Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D3D?windows-1252?Q?=3D3D85?=3D3D >> >> Count me in on this project. I love Wordpress =3D3D85 the only proble= m > I'=3D > ve >> h=3D3D >> ad >> is dealing with a volume of users on a given site (ie., students), but = it >> sounds like your server can handle that. I've used Wordpress now many >> times; the free software is clean to use and it can look great. And I >> agree with Alan that Facebook has all those problems. >> >> I'm looking forward to working with you, Francesco. Poetics List 2 >> everyone? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Francesco Levato >> wrote: >> >>> In response to Laura Hinton and others wanting to continue the >>> conversation. I >>> too am in support of trying to continue the list in another format, a= nd >>> the idea of >>> a Wordpress based discussion forum could work well. There are server > lo=3D > ad >>> issues with the email format of a list serv in that most server > account=3D > s >>> have a >>> limit on the number of emails that can be sent per hour, so a list li= ke >>> this could >>> potentially overwhelm such an account (university or corporate server >>> accounts >>> don't have these restrictions, but are also expensive). So, a Wordpre= ss >>> hosted >>> discussion forum, without the mass email sending requirements might b= e > =3D > a >>> solution to this. It would need to be hosted on its own server (not a= t >>> Wordpres.com) so that we could customize as needed (maybe have catego= ry >>> filters so you can look for discussions, calls for work, etc.). I cou= ld >>> host it on the >>> Chicago School of Poetics site, but I'd like to see if there is any >>> interest in this >>> first as it would be some work to set up. >>> >>> Also, you can back channel me at: poet@francescolevato.com >>> >>> Many thanks to Charles and all the moderators for providing this >> resource=3D3D >> . >>> >>> Best, >>> Francesco >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:23:53 -0500, Brian Clements > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Please add my appreciation of Charles and the list managers to all o= f >> th=3D3D >> e >>> collected expressions thus far. No future representation of poetry an= d >>> poetics of >>> the last 20 years will be sufficient without taking into account the >>> community, >>> activity, and influence of the Poetics list. >>>> >>>> As for ways to carry forward (re: Laura Hinton and others), I would >> thin=3D3D >> k >>> that >>> an invitation-only blog (through Wordpress, for example) would work >>> similarly to >>> this listserv, though I'm not sure a digest option would be possible. >>>> >>>> With gratitude, >>>> Brian Clements >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behal=3D > f >>> Of Laura Hinton [laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM] >>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:25 AM >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> Subject: What will be missed =3D3D85 >>>> >>>> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a virtua= l >>> space >>>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language >> and/o=3D3D >> r >>>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of such >> list=3D3D >> s >>>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications, > ma=3D > ny >>> of >>>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>>> >>>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has >> provid=3D3D >> ed >>>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for posti= ng >>>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific audienc= e. >>>> >>>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus and >> puls=3D3D >> e. >>>> >>>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this >>> function >>>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is update= d >>>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how th= is >>>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you still >>>> available? Any volunteers?) >>>> >>>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive wor= k >>>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I > don'=3D > t >>>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate > the=3D > se >>>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>>> >>>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences on >>>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, eve= n > =3D > a >>>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>>> >>>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for > on-goi=3D > ng >>>> discussion: >>>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>>> >>>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being o= n > =3D > a >>>> potential list: >>>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>>> >>>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>>> >>>> Best to all, >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Laura Hinton >>>> Professor of English >>>> City College of New York >>>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>>> New York, New York 10031 >>>> >>>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>>> >>>> >>>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -= - >>> Circe* >>>> >>> >>> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & >>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & >>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3= D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm=3D > l >>> >> >> >> >> --=3D3D20 >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> >> >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >> Circe=3D3D >> * >> >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:45:43 -0500 >> From: Charles Bernstein >> Subject: Onward! >> >> I am grateful for the many notes posted here in response to the closing > o=3D > f >> the Poetics List. I want to thank, especially, Amy King, who has kept t= he >> list going for the past years with considerable dedication and effort: > he=3D > r >> generosity and acuity is appreciated. There seems considerable interest > i=3D > n >> starting something new to take up where this list has left off. And it >> must be >> new, to meet the demands of the present. Onward! >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:39:52 -0600 >> From: Marc Thompson >> Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D3D?windows-1252?Q?=3D3D85?=3D3D >> >> Sign me up! >> >> Marc Thompson >> On Jan 24, 2014 4:38 PM, "Laura Hinton" wrote= : >> >>> Count me in on this project. I love Wordpress =3D3D85 the only prob= lem >> I've=3D3D >> had >>> is dealing with a volume of users on a given site (ie., students), bu= t > =3D > it >>> sounds like your server can handle that. I've used Wordpress now man= y >>> times; the free software is clean to use and it can look great. And = I >>> agree with Alan that Facebook has all those problems. >>> >>> I'm looking forward to working with you, Francesco. Poetics List 2 >>> everyone? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Francesco Levato >>> wrote: >>> >>>> In response to Laura Hinton and others wanting to continue the >>>> conversation. I >>>> too am in support of trying to continue the list in another format, > a=3D > nd >>>> the idea of >>>> a Wordpress based discussion forum could work well. There are serve= r >> lo=3D3D >> ad >>>> issues with the email format of a list serv in that most server >> account=3D3D >> s >>>> have a >>>> limit on the number of emails that can be sent per hour, so a list > li=3D > ke >>>> this could >>>> potentially overwhelm such an account (university or corporate serv= er >>>> accounts >>>> don't have these restrictions, but are also expensive). So, a > Wordpre=3D > ss >>>> hosted >>>> discussion forum, without the mass email sending requirements might > b=3D > e >> =3D3D >> a >>>> solution to this. It would need to be hosted on its own server (not > a=3D > t >>>> Wordpres.com) so that we could customize as needed (maybe have > catego=3D > ry >>>> filters so you can look for discussions, calls for work, etc.). I > cou=3D > ld >>>> host it on the >>>> Chicago School of Poetics site, but I'd like to see if there is any >>>> interest in this >>>> first as it would be some work to set up. >>>> >>>> Also, you can back channel me at: poet@francescolevato.com >>>> >>>> Many thanks to Charles and all the moderators for providing this >>> resource. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Francesco >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:23:53 -0500, Brian Clements =3D > U >>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please add my appreciation of Charles and the list managers to all > o=3D > f >>> the >>>> collected expressions thus far. No future representation of poetry > an=3D > d >>>> poetics of >>>> the last 20 years will be sufficient without taking into account th= e >>>> community, >>>> activity, and influence of the Poetics list. >>>>> >>>>> As for ways to carry forward (re: Laura Hinton and others), I woul= d >>> think >>>> that >>>> an invitation-only blog (through Wordpress, for example) would work >>>> similarly to >>>> this listserv, though I'm not sure a digest option would be possibl= e. >>>>> >>>>> With gratitude, >>>>> Brian Clements >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >> Behal=3D3D >> f >>>> Of Laura Hinton [laurahinton12@GMAIL.COM] >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:25 AM >>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>> Subject: What will be missed =3D3D85 >>>>> >>>>> One thing that will be sorely lacking After Poetics List is a > virtua=3D > l >>>> space >>>>> for calls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language >>> and/or >>>>> multi-media hybrid aesthetic. The on-line general versions of suc= h >>> lists >>>>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion publications= , >> ma=3D3D >> ny >>>> of >>>>> which are alien to radical "innovative work." >>>>> >>>>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL has >>> provided >>>>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, just for > posti=3D > ng >>>>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more specific > audienc=3D > e. >>>>> >>>>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of community impetus an= d >>> pulse. >>>>> >>>>> Thus, unless someone knows about an alternative space serving this >>>> function >>>>> already, we might, for example, start a Facebook page that is > update=3D > d >>>>> monthly with those announcement type materials. I don't know how > th=3D > is >>>>> would work. There should still be a moderator. (Amy, are you stil= l >>>>> available? Any volunteers?) >>>>> >>>>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of interactive > wor=3D > k >>>>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar with. And I >> don'=3D3D >> t >>>>> like the advertising and snoop-ware. I would have to investigate >> the=3D3D >> se >>>>> possibilities. But I'm happy to try to get something going. >>>>> >>>>> We also need a space to announce calls for papers for conferences = on >>>>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poetics posts and journals, > eve=3D > n >> =3D3D >> a >>>>> space for remembrances of those poets who've passed. >>>>> >>>>> Please advise. You can backchannel me at my personal email for >> on-goi=3D3D >> ng >>>>> discussion: >>>>> laurahinton12@gmail.com. >>>>> >>>>> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being > o=3D > n >> =3D3D >> a >>>>> potential list: >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188 >>>>> >>>>> Charles, you started it. We need to continue the work. >>>>> >>>>> Best to all, >>>>> Laura >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Laura Hinton >>>>> Professor of English >>>>> City College of New York >>>>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>>>> New York, New York 10031 >>>>> >>>>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>>>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give y= ou >>>>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." > -=3D > - >>>> Circe* >>>>> >>>> >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & >>>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>> >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & >>>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3=3D > D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm=3D3D >> l >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Laura Hinton >>> Professor of English >>> City College of New York >>> 138 at Convent Ave. >>> New York, New York 10031 >>> >>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >>> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >>> >>> >>> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >>> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >>> Circe* >>> >>> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3= D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm=3D > l >>> >> >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 18:00:36 -0500 >> From: Mairead Byrne >> Subject: Re: Onward! >> >> Amy is a force of nature, as are you, Charles. >> Thank you both, and all moderators and generous contributors. >> I think Jonathan said it best, with poetry (for a shaky second I though= t > =3D > he >> had actually *just written that!*). >> It's great to see the energy being picked up too. >> The list has died! Long live the list! >> Mair=3D3DE9ad >> >> Professor of Poetry + Poetics >> Department of Literary Arts + Studies >> Division of Liberal Arts >> Rhode Island School of Design >> 2 College Street >> Providence, RI 02903 >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Charles Bernstein < >> Charles.Bernstein@english.upenn.edu> wrote: >> >>> I am grateful for the many notes posted here in response to the closi= ng >> o=3D3D >> f >>> the Poetics List. I want to thank, especially, Amy King, who has kept > t=3D > he >>> list going for the past years with considerable dedication and effort= : >> he=3D3D >> r >>> generosity and acuity is appreciated. There seems considerable intere= st >> i=3D3D >> n >>> starting something new to take up where this list has left off. And i= t >>> must be >>> new, to meet the demands of the present. Onward! >>> >>> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3= D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm=3D > l >>> >> >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:06:09 -0800 >> From: Audrey Berry >> Subject: Re: What will be missed =3D3D?utf-8?Q?=3D3DE2=3D3D80=3D3DA6?= =3D3D >> >> I would love the list to live, and support it's transformation to its n= ew >> f=3D3D >> orm or address. I agree with Alan that FB is not =3D3DC2=3D3DA0the best= way > t=3D > o >> host=3D3D >> . I await someone with the wherewithal, and energy to hold us together. >> Tha=3D3D >> nks to Mairaid Byrne =3D3DC2=3D3DA0for tuning me in, and to the list fo= r many >> conne=3D3D >> ctions, tips, emotions and leads.=3D3D0AAudrey Berry=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D= 0A=3D3D0AOn > =3D > Friday, >> Janu=3D3D >> ary 24, 2014 4:03 PM, Ann Lederer wrote:=3D3D0A > =3D3D0=3D > AI >> agr=3D3D >> ee with Alan. I would miss this list.=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D0AOn Fri, Jan 2= 4, 2014 > =3D > at 1:10 >> =3D3D >> PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:=3D3D0A=3D3D0A> I think, o= ne > way=3D > or >> an=3D3D >> other, the list should continue; Fb is bad for a=3D3D0A> number of reas= ons: >> it'=3D3D >> s noisy, the feeds are noisy, the privacy settings=3D3D0A> are arcane, > thin=3D > gs >> g=3D3D >> et lost in the mix, the constant advertising -=3D3D0A> including > advertisin=3D > g >> in=3D3D >> the midst of the feeds now - is bad, it's easy to=3D3D0A> spoof or hac= k, >> there=3D3D >> are too many bells and whistles graphics, the mobile=3D3D0A> apps are >> limited,=3D3D >> the software keeps trying to get you to fill out more=3D3D0A> personal >> informa=3D3D >> tion, discussions are often derailed, and a monthly=3D3D0A> updating of >> anythin=3D3D >> g online is simply too slow at this point. Email is far=3D3D0A> more > secure=3D > , >> le=3D3D >> aner, runs on a variety of clients, is easy to use on=3D3D0A> mobile, a= nd >> comes=3D3D >> to you; you can also save emails in a directory for=3D3D0A> future > referen=3D > ce. >> =3D3D >> I'd like to see someone take over the list at this point=3D3D0A> and I = hope >> tha=3D3D >> t Charles would allow it to continue running until that might=3D3D0A> b= e a >> real=3D3D >> possibility, at least a week or two.=3D3D0A>=3D3D0A> Thanks, > Alan=3D3D0A>=3D3D0A=3D >> =3D3D0A> On >> F=3D3D >> ri, 24 Jan 2014, Laura Hinton wrote:=3D3D0A>=3D3D0A>=3D3DC2=3D3DA0 One = thing > that=3D > will be >> s=3D3D >> orely lacking After Poetics List is a virtual=3D3D0A>> space=3D3D0A>> > for=3D3DC=3D > 2=3D3DA0 >> cal=3D3D >> ls for poetry of a more experimental, conceptual, language and/or=3D3D0= A>> >> mult=3D3D >> i-media hybrid aesthetic.=3D3DC2=3D3DA0 The on-line general versions of= such > =3D > lists=3D3D >> =3D3D0A>> that I've found are hopelessly muddled with a zillion > publication=3D > s, >> m=3D3D >> any=3D3D0A>> of=3D3D0A>> which are alien to radical=3D3DC2=3D3DA0 "inno= vative > wor=3D > k."=3D3D0A>>=3D3D >> =3D3D0A>> Without defining what that is (I'm not gonna do that), the PL= has >> pro=3D3D >> vided=3D3D0A>> some narrowing of that gap. It's been a huge service, ju= st > f=3D > or >> p=3D3D >> osting=3D3D0A>> practical poetics info. and announcements to a more > specifi=3D > c >> au=3D3D >> dience.=3D3D0A>>=3D3D0A>> As large as it is, Poetics List has a kind of > commu=3D > nity >> i=3D3D >> mpetus and pulse.=3D3D0A>>=3D3D0A>> Thus, unless someone knows about an >> alternative=3D3D >> space serving this=3D3D0A>> function=3D3D0A>> already, we might, for > example=3D > , >> star=3D3D >> t a Facebook page that is updated=3D3D0A>> monthly with those announcem= ent >> type=3D3D >> materials.=3D3DC2=3D3DA0 I don't know how this=3D3D0A>> would work. Th= ere > shou=3D > ld >> still=3D3D >> be a moderator.=3D3DC2=3D3DA0 (Amy, are you still=3D3D0A>> available? = Any >> volunteers?)=3D3D >> =3D3D0A>>=3D3D0A>> Ironically, since I am a blogger and do all kinds of >> interactive=3D3D >> work=3D3D0A>> myself, Facebook is the software I am least familiar >> with.=3D3DC2=3D3DA0=3D3D >> And I don't=3D3D0A>> like the advertising and snoop-ware.=3D3DC2=3D3DA= 0 I > wou=3D > ld have >> =3D3D >> to investigate these=3D3D0A>> possibilities.=3D3DC2=3D3DA0 But I'm happ= y to > try=3D > to get >> =3D3D >> something going.=3D3D0A>>=3D3D0A>> We also need a space to announce cal= ls for >> paper=3D3D >> s for conferences on=3D3D0A>> poetics, advertisements for new blog poet= ics >> post=3D3D >> s and journals, even a=3D3D0A>> space for remembrances of those poets > who'v=3D > e >> pa=3D3D >> ssed.=3D3D0A>>=3D3D0A>> Please advise.=3D3DC2=3D3DA0 You can backchanne= l me at > my=3D > personal >> =3D3D >> email for on-going=3D3D0A>> discussion:=3D3D0A>> laurahinton12@gmail.co= m. >> =3D3D0A>>=3D3D0A>>=3D3D >> And you can "friend" me on Facebook if you are interested in being on >> a=3D3D0A=3D3D >>>> potential list:=3D3D0A>> https://www.facebook.com/laura.hinton.188= =3D3D0A >>>> =3D3D0A>>=3D3D >> Charles, you started it.=3D3DC2=3D3DA0 We need to continue the work.= =3D3D0A>>=3D > =3D3D0A>> >> Bes=3D3D >> t to all,=3D3D0A>> Laura=3D3D0A>>=3D3D0A>>=3D3D0A>> --=3D3D0A>> Laura > Hinton=3D3D0A>>=3D > Professor of >> =3D3D >> English=3D3D0A>> City College of New York=3D3D0A>> 138 at Convent > Ave.=3D3D0A>>=3D > New >> Yor=3D3D >> k, New York 10031=3D3D0A>>=3D3D0A>> www.mermaidtenementpress.com=3D3D0A= >> >> http://www.ch=3D3D >> antdelasirene.com=3D3D0A>>=3D3D0A>>=3D3D0A>> *"When your crew have take= n you > pa=3D > st >> these=3D3D >> Sirens, I cannot give you=3D3D0A>> coherent directions as to which of = two >> cour=3D3D >> ses you are to take..." --=3D3D0A>> Circe*=3D3D0A>>=3D3D0A>> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D0A>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all po= sts. > C=3D > heck=3D3D >> =3D3D0A>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.h=3D3D >> tml=3D3D0A>>=3D3D0A>>=3D3D0A>>=3D3D0A> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D0A> email arc= hive >> http://sondheim.rupamsunyat=3D3D >> a.org/=3D3D0A> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552=3D3D= 0A> > mu=3D > sic: >> h=3D3D >> ttp://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/=3D3D0A> current text >> http://www.alansondhei=3D3D >> m.org/si.txt=3D3D0A=3D3D0A> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D0A>=3D3D0A>=3D3D0A> >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D0A> The >> =3D3D >> Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=3D3D0A> >> guidelines=3D3D >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=3D3D0A >>> =3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D3D=3D3D >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D0AThe Poet= ics List is > moderate=3D > d & does not accept >> =3D3D >> all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetic=3D3D >> s/welcome.html >> >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:29:37 -0800 >> From: Joel Weishaus >> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >> >> Jim >> >> I just looked at this site, and see several people from the Poetics Lis= t >> are already involved. >> I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcements better >> than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this list. >> >> Best Regards, >> Joel >> >> -- >> Joel Weishaus >> Artist-in-Residence >> Pacifica Graduate Institute >> 249 Lambert Road >> Carpinteria, CA 93013 >> >> Homepage: >> http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >> Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: >> www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: >>> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >>> >>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're interested in >> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >>> >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> Jim Finnegan >>> >>> >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:42:54 -0800 >> From: jim andrews >> Subject: lists >> >> Say what you will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages over = =3D > =3D3D >> lists. Though I would like to see something better emerge that people = =3D3D >> will use as widely. >> >> One of the advantages is that you don't have to get information from = =3D3D >> people who bore you. You can just block their posts. I know lots of =3D= 3D >> poets don't like that idea, of people being able to easily block others= =3D > =3D3D >> from their info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing. A list is lik= e > =3D > =3D3D >> being in one single room with everyone subscribed to the list. It gets = =3D > =3D3D >> old in a hurry. Windbags get at least equal time with more interesting = =3D > =3D3D >> folks. >> >> The Facebook options on what information you get and to whom you send = =3D3D >> info are much more granular than list options. Those sorts of options = =3D3D >> are important, and they never materialized in listserv software. Lists = =3D > =3D3D >> needed a more contemporary architecture of the group, of discussion, an= d > =3D > =3D3D >> of the missive concerning who receives it based on permissions. >> >> ja >> http://vispo.com=3D3D20=3D3D >> >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 18:47:50 -0600 >> From: mIEKAL aND >> Subject: Re: lists >> >> a hybrid interface of facebook/twitter/blog/listserv would involve a bi= t >> more design but in the end could operate effortlessly. the real questio= n > =3D > is >> moderation or no moderation.' >> >> ~mIEKAL >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:42 PM, jim andrews wrote: >> >>> Say what you will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages ove= r >>> lists. Though I would like to see something better emerge that people >> will >>> use as widely. >>> >>> One of the advantages is that you don't have to get information from >>> people who bore you. You can just block their posts. I know lots of > poe=3D > ts >>> don't like that idea, of people being able to easily block others fro= m >>> their info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing. A list is like > bei=3D > ng >>> in one single room with everyone subscribed to the list. It gets old > in=3D > a >>> hurry. Windbags get at least equal time with more interesting folks. >>> >>> The Facebook options on what information you get and to whom you send >> info >>> are much more granular than list options. Those sorts of options are >>> important, and they never materialized in listserv software. Lists >> needed a >>> more contemporary architecture of the group, of discussion, and of th= e >>> missive concerning who receives it based on permissions. >>> >>> ja >>> http://vispo.com >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3= D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm=3D > l >>> >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500 >> From: Murat Nemet-Nejat >> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >> >> I also think a discussion list would be the best way to go. >> >> Murat >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Joel Weishaus wrote= : >> >>> Jim >>> >>> I just looked at this site, and see several people from the Poetics > Lis=3D > t >>> are already involved. >>> I like email discussion lists for conversation and announcements bett= er >>> than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue this list. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Joel >>> >>> -- >>> Joel Weishaus >>> Artist-in-Residence >>> Pacifica Graduate Institute >>> 249 Lambert Road >>> Carpinteria, CA 93013 >>> >>> Homepage: >>> http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >>> Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities: >>> www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks to Charles, all the moderators, and the members... >>>> Nothing will every replace Poetics List, but if you're interested = in >>>> subbing to NewPoetry, here's the link... >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>>> >>>> Jim Finnegan >>>> >>>> >>> >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3= D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm=3D > l >>> >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 02:19:19 +0000 >> From: David Seaman >> Subject: Re: lists >> >> I become more aware each semester, as new internet courses, super sites= , > =3D > a=3D3D >> nd grade books are added, that the media go far beyond our poetic minds= . > =3D > W=3D3D >> e need to find a way to cherish the lonely poet on his bench outdoors o= r > =3D > s=3D3D >> ulking in a smoke-filled study. These electronic media are wonderful fo= r > =3D > b=3D3D >> ringing some of us together, but we need a wider net. If i were hip I > wou=3D > l=3D3D >> d finish by saying, 'just saying' but I am too old. What I want to say > is=3D > =3D3D >> keep poets connected. Sometimes we only have each other to support >> us.=3D3DA0=3D3D0A=3D3D >> =3D3D0ADavid=3D3D0AOn Jan 24, 2014, at 07:47 PM, mIEKAL aND =3D > L.COM >> =3D3D >>> wrote:=3D3D0A=3D3D0Aa hybrid interface of facebook/twitter/blog/lists= erv > wo=3D > uld i=3D3D >> nvolve a bit=3D3D0Amore design but in the end could operate effortlessl= y. > t=3D > he =3D3D >> real question is=3D3D0Amoderation or no >> moderation.'=3D3D0A=3D3D0A~mIEKAL=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D= 3D >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:42 PM, jim andrews >> wrote:=3D3D0A=3D3D0AS=3D3D >> ay what you will about Facebook, it does have certain advantages > over=3D3D0=3D > Ali=3D3D >> sts. Though I would like to see something better emerge that people >> will=3D3D0A=3D3D >> use as widely.=3D3D0AOne of the advantages is that you don't have to ge= t > in=3D > for=3D3D >> mation from=3D3D0Apeople who bore you. You can just block their posts. = I > kn=3D > ow =3D3D >> lots of poets=3D3D0Adon't like that idea, of people being able to easil= y > bl=3D > ock=3D3D >> others from=3D3D0Atheir info feed, but it's clearly a very good thing.= A > l=3D > ist=3D3D >> is like being=3D3D0Ain one single room with everyone subscribed to the > lis=3D > t. =3D3D >> It gets old in a=3D3D0Ahurry. Windbags get at least equal time with mor= e > in=3D > ter=3D3D >> esting folks.=3D3D0AThe Facebook options on what information you get an= d > to=3D > wh=3D3D >> om you send info=3D3D0Aare much more granular than list options. Those > sort=3D > s o=3D3D >> f options are=3D3D0Aimportant, and they never materialized in listserv > soft=3D > war=3D3D >> e. Lists needed a=3D3D0Amore contemporary architecture of the group, of > dis=3D > cus=3D3D >> sion, and of the=3D3D0Amissive concerning who receives it based on > permissi=3D > ons=3D3D >> .=3D3D0Aja=3D3D0Ahttp://vispo.com >> > =3D3D0A=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D0AThe Poetics List =3D3D >> is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=3D3D0Aguidelines & > sub/unsu=3D > b i=3D3D >> nfo: >> > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D >> =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D0AThe Poetics List is moderated & does not accept al= l > posts.=3D > Check >> =3D3D >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=3D3D0A=3D3D >> >> >> > =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D= 3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D= =3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D=3D > 3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D=3D3D3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of POETICS Digest - 23 Jan 2014 to 24 Jan 2014 (#2014-10) >> ************************************************************* >> > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 11:00:50 -0800 > From: amy king > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) - from the Moderator > > Thank you, Mark, Mairead, and everyone else who didn't seem to think my > ten=3D > ure was the "gatekeeper-monster" a few painted me to be. =3DC2=3DA0What t= hose > l=3D > atter folks don't know is that when Charles asked me to become the > moderato=3D > r, he was ready to retire the list those many years ago as he transitione= d > =3D > over to teaching at Univ of Penn. =3DC2=3DA0The idea was to at least keep= it > go=3D > ing at least as an announcements' list, which it has continued to serve > as.=3D > =3DC2=3DA0Along with the implementation of new guidelines back then, som= e of > y=3D > ou may have also noticed the change in the list's mission, which allowed > th=3D > e list to carry on in a new permutation, rather than dissolve it > altogether=3D > .=3D0A=3D0AAnyway, thanks much, Charles, for permitting the list to carry= on > an=3D > d for trusting me in that role. =3DC2=3DA0And thanks again to those who u= sed > th=3D > e list as a vehicle to sustain the world of poetics as so many of us > broadl=3D > y and variously define the > word.=3DC2=3DA0=3D0A=3D0ABest,=3D0A=3D0AAmy=3D0A=3D0A=3DC2=3DA0=3D0A__=3D > ___=3D0A=3D0A*=3DC2=3DA0Check my latest blog entries at Boston Review, Po= etry > Magaz=3D > ine and the Rumpus.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A* On Adrienne Rich: =3DC2=3DA0"No Place= for the > Lit=3D > tle Lyric" - Poetry > Foundation=3DC2=3DA0=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A___________________________=3D > _____=3D0A From: Mark =3D0ATo: > POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFA=3D > LO.EDU =3D0ASent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 3:17 AM=3D0ASubject: Re: Poe= tics > L=3D > ist (1993-2014)=3D0A =3D0A=3D0AThis reminds me a bit of the old days.=3DC= 2=3DA0 I'm > a=3D > ctually reading what everybody posts, because there's a genuine > discussion,=3D > an exchange.=3DC2=3DA0 Who knew?=3D0A=3D0AI neglected to thank Charles i= n my > earli=3D > er post, as well as everyone else who has been involved.=3DC2=3DA0 I thin= k Amy > =3D > King's tenure as listmod, though, has been particularly noteworthy.=3DC2= =3DA0 > I=3D > think she deserves special thanks, whether or not you agree with > Miekal=3DE2=3D > =3D80=3D94 and I certainly think he has a point=3DE2=3D80=3D94 that moder= ation has > no=3D > t served the list well in the long run.=3DC2=3DA0 Whether or not *moderat= ion* > i=3D > s good for the list or not, though, is an entirely separate matter from > the=3D > various moderators themselves.=3DC2=3DA0 All have been very good, but Am= y > King=3D > did it for incredibly long, and her tenure seems to have been seamless, > wi=3D > thout controversy.=3DC2=3DA0 (I say 'seems,' of course, because I haven't= been > =3D > reading every post, like I did in the old days.)=3D0A=3D0AThis list, clea= rly, > h=3D > as been a special exchange for many of us, at least at some time or > another=3D > , and that energy still exists and clearly (not just for myself) needs > anot=3D > her outlet.=3DC2=3DA0 I am hoping we can collectively figure out how to > channel=3D > it.=3DC2=3DA0 I agree with those who said (as I previously said) that FB= is > no=3D > t a good medium for such an exchange.=3DC2=3DA0 I personally like the > listserv/=3D > email technological model, but that may not work for most people, > especiall=3D > y as technology evolves.=3DC2=3DA0 I agree that the need exists, not just= for > d=3D > iscussion and exchange of ideas, but for basic information as to what's > goi=3D > ng on.=3DC2=3DA0 I never thought that calls for work or publication > announcemen=3D > ts were inherently less important than exchange of ideas.=3DC2=3DA0 Alan > Sondhe=3D > im usefully points out that for those of us who do not live in NYC or, > perh=3D > aps, SF, the List is a much-needed vehicle to grasp the full scope of > liter=3D > ary activity in our time, much less to figure out where, when or if we > want to "submit."=3DC2=3DA0 The fact of moderation has limited the > spontaneity=3D > of exchange, and as a result exchange itself.=3DC2=3DA0 Yet it is ALSO t= rue > th=3D > at flamers and narcissists, when they arise (and they will, eventually) > nee=3D > d to quietly and efficiently be moved aside.=3DC2=3DA0 Can there be > spontaneity=3D > within moderation?=3DC2=3DA0 Can there be collective ways of dealing wit= h the > =3D > flamers which bypass listmods?=3DC2=3DA0 Who knows?=3D0A=3D0ALet the Poet= ics List > 2=3D > begin, either through institutional sponsorship or "under that table," s= o > =3D > to speak.=3DC2=3DA0 (And, thinking ecologically, I wonder which model wou= ld be > =3D > more sustainable, for a generation or more.)=3D0A=3D0ALaura Hinton, I'm i= n=3DE2=3D > =3D80=3D94 whatever evolves.=3D0A=3D0AWhat's that Pound line about "comme= rce > betwee=3D > n us?"=3D0A=3D0AYours in (poetic) struggle=3DE2=3D80=3D94=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AM= ark > DuCharme=3D0A=3D0A=3D > =3D0AMark DuCharme=3D0A=3D0AMiekal's point, of course, was that=3D0A=3D0A= > Date: > Fri,=3D > 24 Jan 2014 19:53:03 -0500=3D0A> From: muratnn@GMAIL.COM=3D0A> Subject: = Re: > Po=3D > etics List (1993-2014)=3D0A> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=3D0A> =3D0A= > > ------=3D > ---------------- Information from the mail header -----------------------= =3D > =3D0A> Sender:=3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)= " =3D > ERV.BUFFALO.EDU>=3D0A> Poster:=3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 Murat Nem= et-Nejat > n@GMAIL.COM>=3D0A> Subject:=3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 Re: Poetics L= ist > (1993-2014)=3D > =3D0A> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------=3D > ---------=3D0A> =3D0A> I also think a discussion list would be the best w= ay to > =3D > go.=3D0A> =3D0A> Murat=3D0A> =3D0A> =3D0A> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:29 P= M, Joel > Weis=3D > haus wrote:=3D0A> =3D0A> > Jim=3D0A> >=3D0A> > I just = looked > at =3D > this site, and see several people from the Poetics List=3D0A> > are alrea= dy > i=3D > nvolved.=3D0A> > I like email discussion lists for conversation and > announcem=3D > ents better=3D0A> > than blogs, and this looks to me the way to continue > this=3D > list.=3D0A> >=3D0A> > Best Regards,=3D0A> > Joel=3D0A> >=3D0A> > --=3D0A= >> Joel > Weish=3D > aus=3D0A> > Artist-in-Residence=3D0A> > Pacifica Graduate Institute=3D0A>= > 249 > L=3D > ambert Road=3D0A> > Carpinteria, CA 93013=3D0A> >=3D0A> > Homepage:=3D0A>= > http:// > =3D > web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282=3D0A> > Beginner's Mind-Toward an Ecohumanities:=3D= 0A> >> =3D > www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Begin/Intro.htm=3D0A> >=3D0A> >=3D0A> >=3D0= A> >=3D0A> >> =3D > =3D0A> > On 1/24/2014 10:32 AM, Jim Finnegan wrote:=3D0A> >=3D0A> >> Than= ks to > Ch=3D > arles, all the moderators, and the members...=3D0A> >>=3DC2=3DA0 Nothing= will > ev=3D > ery replace Poetics List, but if you're interested in=3D0A> >> subbing to > New=3D > Poetry, here's the link...=3D0A> >>=3DC2=3DA0 New-Poetry mailing list=3D= 0A> >> > htt=3D > p://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry=3D0A> >>=3D0A> >> Jim > Finnegan=3D > =3D0A> >>=3D0A> >>=3D0A> >=3D0A > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this > exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants > will be informed of such options. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500 > From: reJennifer Bartlett > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > Murat (and others), > > I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been attacked = on > the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that she > quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato < > poet@francescolevato.com >> wrote: > >> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have a= n >> automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam >> attacks, but >> someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the >> board. So, >> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >> >> Best, >> Francesco >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; plea= se >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend th= e >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participant= s >> will be informed of such options. >> > > > > -- > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go = to > . > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:24:18 +0000 > From: David Seaman > Subject: Onward > > Please include me in any new variant of the list. For me it is a way to o= v=3D > ercome a sense of isolation. I am dismayed by the reports of bad behavior= .=3D > From my small town in Georgia (USA) I am connected with poets on at leas= t=3D > four continents. Caterina Davinio brought many of us together in her Ven= i=3D > ce Biennale Global virtual poetry reading. I am honored to be a part of t= h=3D > is community.=3DA0=3D > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go = to > . > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:09:44 -0500 > From: Poetics List > Subject: Re: New discussion board open > > The Poetics List @ Buffalo will cease all operations at the end of the mo= =3D > nth. For=3D20 > those interested in joining the new Poetics List @ the Chicago School of = =3D > Poetics:=3D20 > **sign up at the web address provide by Francesco Levato and direct any= =3D20=3D > > queries to him.** The new list requires that your *subscribe yourself* --= =3D > and it=3D20 > is already active. Any requests about the new list should to be sent to t= =3D > he new=3D20 > list: there is a forum beginning there on suggestions for list > features.=3D20=3D > > > Requests to subscribe to the new list will not be posted here.=3D20 > > > On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 19:19:27 -0500, Francesco Levato=3D20 > wrote: > >> Ok, I have a first run of the new discussion board online at: >> >> http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go = to > . > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:05:34 -0500 > From: Francesco Levato > Subject: Sign up for the new Poetics List > > Just a quick note to say thank you all for your support in regards to the= =3D > new=3D20 > Poetics List at the Chicago School of Poetics.=3D20 > > The discussion board is running, many users have registered, and calls fo= =3D > r work=3D20 > have already been posted. > > In order to post you will need to register at the new website (unfortunat= =3D > ely I=3D20 > can=3D92t port the old Buffalo List member accounts over to the new site,= s=3D > orry for=3D20 > the inconvenience).=3D20 > > You can register directly at: > http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/wp-login.php?action=3D3Dreg= is=3D > ter > > Please be sure to read the =3D93Initial Notes=3D94 post: > http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/forums/topic/initial-notes/= =3D > > > as well as the =3D93Poetics List Updates=3D94 post: > http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/forums/topic/poetics-list-u= =3D > pdates/ > > If you have any trouble registering or posting, please email me at: > poeticslist@chicagoschoolofpoetics.com > > > Best, > Francesco > > > -- > > Francesco Levato > Director, Chicago School of Poetics > http://www.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go = to > . > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:11:34 -0500 > From: Murat Nemet-Nejat > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > > Hi, reJennifer, > > As far as I am concerned with, the hardest thing the poet suffers from th= e > public is indifference. I am not questioning your right to put forward or > defend or argue for your position. If they are truly controversial, as yo= u > say you are, people will react to it, not necessarily the way you like. I= t > means they read what you wrote. You can respond or ignore them. There hav= e > always been poets with disabilities. Homer, if an actual person, was blin= d. > Alexander Pope was a dwarf. I am sure others can add to the list. > Generalizing the term, all of us have our weaknesses and strength. The > interactions of both create the quality, the nature of the work. > > Ciao, > > Murat > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 2:08 PM, reJennifer Bartlett > wrote: > >> Murat (and others), >> >> I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been attacke= d > on >> the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that sh= e >> quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato < >> poet@francescolevato.com >>> wrote: >> >>> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have > an >>> automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam >>> attacks, but >>> someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the >>> board. So, >>> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >>> >>> Best, >>> Francesco >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE > this >>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend > the >>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all > participants >>> will be informed of such options. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; plea= se >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The > Chicago >> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list g= o > to >> . >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go = to > . > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:16:09 +0100 > From: Laura Hinton > Subject: Re: New discussion board open > > Dear everyone -- > > Note that Francesco Levato has started up a WORDPRESS INCARNATION of our > Poetics List. But you have to sign up for the site yourselves. We are n= ot > collecting emails! > > As per his earlier message below, you just go to the link: > > http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ > > Follow the instructions to log in. I did this no problem. (Feel free t= o > backchannel me if you have an issue. I'll see if I can help you solve it.= ) > > And great news -- Amy King has agreed to moderate! > > I just wanted to re-annouince this new development so you all sign on, an= d > also to note we should heartily thank Francesco and now Amy for making th= is > continuation of a moderated posting Poetics List site possible. > > In gratitude to both, > Laura > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Francesco Levato > wrote: > >> Ok, I have a first run of the new discussion board online at: >> >> http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ >> >> This is just a start. If the discussion board proves useful in continui= ng >> the work >> of the Buffalo Poetics List, I will work to update and improve it based > o=3D > n >> member suggestions (I have a forum set up to post suggestions). Also, >> please >> feel free leave any feedback you may have in the =3D93Feedback=3D94 for= um. >> >> Some initial notes: >> >> The design of the discussion board is minimalist. I didn=3D92t want the >> interface to >> interfere with usability. I am open to suggestions though.
 >> >> There seemed to be a balance of pros and cons for moving the list >> discussions to >> Facebook or other social media platforms, so I=3D92m going to try and > addre=3D > ss >> some >> of those suggestions in the current discussion board=3D92s functionalit= y. >> &#8232; >> >> Filtering posts: while we can block posts from certain users (as on FB)= , > =3D > I >> thought >> implementing a way to filter posts by category (if you chose) would be >> useful. >> So, I=3D92ve added a series of category tags to start with for this pur= pose >> (publications, book releases, announcements, opportunities, discussion, >> events, >> readings, and submissions). When you post you can also suggest your own >> tags >> to expand on this list.
 >> >> Notifications to your FB wall: I will be creating a FB page that will >> automatically >> be receiving posts made to the discussion board for those of you who > woul=3D > d >> rather follow the list on FB.
 >> Twitter: for those of you would would rather receive list notifications >> via twitter, >> I=3D92ve set up an account for the list @PoeticsList. The discussion ba= ord > =3D > will >> automatically tweet new posts to this Twitter feed (this is in the work= s >> but will >> be ready soon).
 >> >> A note on moderation: to avoid the board being spammed by trolls or >> automated >> spambots, I think it=3D92s best to keep it a moderated discussion. So, = it > w=3D > ill >> still be a >> short wait before your post is approved. I could use some volunteer >> moderators >> to help, so if you=3D92re interested please email me at: >> poeticslist@chicagoschoolofpoetics.com
 >> >> Registration: again, to avoid spam we will need to have users register >> before >> they can post. There=3D92s no approval process, just register and start >> posting.
 >> >> Hosting: I=3D92m hosting this on the CSoP=3D92s server, but it is inten= ded > fo=3D > r all >> members >> of the former Buffalo Poetics List. So, rather than having you go to >> CSoP=3D92s main >> website to access the board, I installed it on a subdomain. When you > clic=3D > k >> on the >> link listed above you will be taken directly into the discusion >> board.&#8232; >> >> And finally, the Buffalo Poetics List has been a daily stop for me for >> many years. >> I appreciate all the list has offered and the community involved in it. >> Setting up >> the Poetics List @ Chicago School of Poetics is just a way for me to gi= ve >> back to >> that community. I hope you ind it useful. >> >> >> Best, >> Francesco Levato >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; plea= se >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend th= e >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participant= s >> will be informed of such options. >> > > > > --=3D20 > Laura Hinton > Professor of English > City College of New York > 138 at Convent Ave. > New York, New York 10031 > > www.mermaidtenementpress.com > http://www.chantdelasirene.com > > > *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you > coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- > Circe=3D > * > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go = to > . > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:46:16 +0000 > From: Walsh Mills > Subject: Fare forward > > Well, all the years of lurking, reading, clicking links are over. Thanks = to > Charles for starting it all and to everyone who kept it going, and here's > to the next stage. > > Best to all > > Billy > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go = to > . > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:56:35 -0500 > From: Margaret Watson > Subject: Thank you for a stimulating weekend! > > It's better than the movies. Comments, rebuttals, gratitudes, future > lives. > In the cold and snow, thank you for a warm weekend with endless > conversation. > And to Charles who began something that has sustained so many poets. To > Amy for taking up the reins and now again, to begin anew with a cast that > puts the Oscars barely in competition. Yes, I'm a lurker but now digging > in. > Thank you for this amazing opportunity. And deepest gratitude. > Taylor > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go = to > . > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:25:41 -0500 > From: Ryan Daley > Subject: Re: New discussion board open > > Thanks to Charles and to everyone on this list who makes this list such a > valuable source of information and comings, goings and publishings. > > See you on wordpress. > > Warm Regards, > > Ryan > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Laura Hinton > wrot=3D > e: > >> Dear everyone -- >> >> Note that Francesco Levato has started up a WORDPRESS INCARNATION of ou= r >> Poetics List. But you have to sign up for the site yourselves. We are > n=3D > ot >> collecting emails! >> >> As per his earlier message below, you just go to the link: >> >> http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ >> >> Follow the instructions to log in. I did this no problem. (Feel free > t=3D > o >> backchannel me if you have an issue. I'll see if I can help you solve > it.=3D > ) >> >> And great news -- Amy King has agreed to moderate! >> >> I just wanted to re-annouince this new development so you all sign on, > an=3D > d >> also to note we should heartily thank Francesco and now Amy for making > th=3D > is >> continuation of a moderated posting Poetics List site possible. >> >> In gratitude to both, >> Laura >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Francesco Levato >> wrote: >> >>> Ok, I have a first run of the new discussion board online at: >>> >>> http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/ >>> >>> This is just a start. If the discussion board proves useful in > continui=3D > ng >>> the work >>> of the Buffalo Poetics List, I will work to update and improve it bas= ed >> on >>> member suggestions (I have a forum set up to post suggestions). Also, >>> please >>> feel free leave any feedback you may have in the =3D93Feedback=3D94 f= orum. >>> >>> Some initial notes: >>> >>> The design of the discussion board is minimalist. I didn=3D92t want t= he >>> interface to >>> interfere with usability. I am open to suggestions though.
 >>> >>> There seemed to be a balance of pros and cons for moving the list >>> discussions to >>> Facebook or other social media platforms, so I=3D92m going to try and > add=3D > ress >>> some >>> of those suggestions in the current discussion board=3D92s functional= ity. >>> &#8232; >>> >>> Filtering posts: while we can block posts from certain users (as on > FB)=3D > , >> I >>> thought >>> implementing a way to filter posts by category (if you chose) would b= e >>> useful. >>> So, I=3D92ve added a series of category tags to start with for this > purpo=3D > se >>> (publications, book releases, announcements, opportunities, discussio= n, >>> events, >>> readings, and submissions). When you post you can also suggest your o= wn >>> tags >>> to expand on this list.
 >>> >>> Notifications to your FB wall: I will be creating a FB page that will >>> automatically >>> be receiving posts made to the discussion board for those of you who >> would >>> rather follow the list on FB.
 >>> Twitter: for those of you would would rather receive list notificatio= ns >>> via twitter, >>> I=3D92ve set up an account for the list @PoeticsList. The discussion > baor=3D > d >> will >>> automatically tweet new posts to this Twitter feed (this is in the > work=3D > s >>> but will >>> be ready soon).
 >>> >>> A note on moderation: to avoid the board being spammed by trolls or >>> automated >>> spambots, I think it=3D92s best to keep it a moderated discussion. So= , it >> will >>> still be a >>> short wait before your post is approved. I could use some volunteer >>> moderators >>> to help, so if you=3D92re interested please email me at: >>> poeticslist@chicagoschoolofpoetics.com
 >>> >>> Registration: again, to avoid spam we will need to have users registe= r >>> before >>> they can post. There=3D92s no approval process, just register and sta= rt >>> posting.
 >>> >>> Hosting: I=3D92m hosting this on the CSoP=3D92s server, but it is int= ended > =3D > for >> all >>> members >>> of the former Buffalo Poetics List. So, rather than having you go to >>> CSoP=3D92s main >>> website to access the board, I installed it on a subdomain. When you >> click >>> on the >>> link listed above you will be taken directly into the discusion >>> board.&#8232; >>> >>> And finally, the Buffalo Poetics List has been a daily stop for me fo= r >>> many years. >>> I appreciate all the list has offered and the community involved in i= t. >>> Setting up >>> the Poetics List @ Chicago School of Poetics is just a way for me to > gi=3D > ve >>> back to >>> that community. I hope you ind it useful. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> Francesco Levato >>> >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3= D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > plea=3D > se >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE > this >>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend > th=3D > e >>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all > participant=3D > s >>> will be informed of such options. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Laura Hinton >> Professor of English >> City College of New York >> 138 at Convent Ave. >> New York, New York 10031 >> >> www.mermaidtenementpress.com >> http://www.chantdelasirene.com >> >> >> *"When your crew have taken you past these Sirens, I cannot give you >> coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take..." -- >> Circe* >> >> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; plea= se >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The > Chicago >> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list g= o > =3D > to >> . >> > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go = to > . > > ------------------------------ > > End of POETICS Digest - 25 Jan 2014 to 26 Jan 2014 (#2014-12) > ************************************************************* > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:49:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: reJennifer Bartlett Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Murat, How is "Larry Eigner behind all these discussions?" Jennifer Bartlett On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > Mark, > > Of course, Larry Eigner is behind all these discussions. > > I am aware there is a difference between disagreement and abuse, but I > don't think that distinction in the periphery is always that clear. A > response that has an emotional edge to it (why should there not be if the > issues are important), may possibly seen by the other party as abusive > while it may not be so. For instance, is an ironic or sarcastic response > abusive? That is why I began this discussion by asking that question. > > Murat > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Mark wrote: > >> That said, I believe what Jennifer is describing is abusive responses to >> her position. Look, anyone is entitled to his or her opinion (expressed >> appropriately, and with appropriate regard for others). Murat has a > point >> that if you know it will be seen as "controversial" (I myself don't >> necessarily see why that would be the case, based on what Jennifer > writes) >> then you should expect, and be prepared for, some pushback. However, > your >> point, Jennifer, unless I misread you, is that some of the responses you >> have received have gone *beyond* controversy toward abuse or borderline >> abuse. And I find that stunning. I'm not sure what to tell you except, > if >> you can find the courage, don't let yourself be silenced. And if you > need >> supporters in these (did you say they were online?) forums, maybe some of >> the members of this list would be willing to turn out electronically to >> call abuse what it is. I'd be willing. Send me a message, including > info >> on how to create an account, if that happens again. Perhaps also provide >> more details/context. >> >> Is anyone else in? It's really not cool to behave abusively toward the >> differently abled, whether online or in person. Let's call that behavior >> out. >> >> Mark DuCharme >> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500 >>> From: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM >>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> >>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >> ----------------------- >>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" > >>> Poster: reJennifer Bartlett >>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Murat (and others), >>> >>> I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been > attacked >> on >>> the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that > she >>> quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato < >> poet@francescolevato.com >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have >> an >>>> automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam >>>> attacks, but >>>> someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the >>>> board. So, >>>> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Francesco >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >> please >>>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE >> this >>>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend >> the >>>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all >> participants >>>> will be informed of such options. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >> please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The > Chicago >> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go > to >> . >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The > Chicago >> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go > to >> . >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to > . > -- http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 04:07:49 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Seaman Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I am stunned by the idea that someone would attack a writer for any other = reason than intelligent debate about issues. Jennifer, whoever you are, yo= u deserve respect. Good people support you. I have not seen your poetry; t= hat is not the issue. You are a person. Be yourself. Call on us to stand u= p to anyone who demeans you.=A0=0A=0ADavid=0A=0AOn Jan 27, 2014, at 06:49 = PM, reJennifer Bartlett wrote:=0A=0AMurat,=0A=0AHow= is "Larry Eigner behind all these discussions?"=0AJennifer Bartlett=0A=0A= =0AOn Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat = wrote:=0A=0AMark,=0AOf course, Larry Eigner is behind all these discussion= s.=0AI am aware there is a difference between disagreement and abuse, but = I=0Adon't think that distinction in the periphery is always that clear. A=0A= response that has an emotional edge to it (why should there not be if the=0A= issues are important), may possibly seen by the other party as abusive=0Aw= hile it may not be so. For instance, is an ironic or sarcastic response=0A= abusive? That is why I began this discussion by asking that question.=0AMu= rat=0AOn Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Mark wro= te:=0A> That said, I believe what Jennifer is describing is abusive respon= ses to=0A> her position. Look, anyone is entitled to his or her opinion (e= xpressed=0A> appropriately, and with appropriate regard for others). Murat= has a=0Apoint=0A> that if you know it will be seen as "controversial" (I = myself don't=0A> necessarily see why that would be the case, based on what= Jennifer=0Awrites)=0A> then you should expect, and be prepared for, some = pushback. However,=0Ayour=0A> point, Jennifer, unless I misread you, is th= at some of the responses you=0A> have received have gone *beyond* controve= rsy toward abuse or borderline=0A> abuse. And I find that stunning. I'm no= t sure what to tell you except,=0Aif=0A> you can find the courage, don't l= et yourself be silenced. And if you=0Aneed=0A> supporters in these (did yo= u say they were online?) forums, maybe some of=0A> the members of this lis= t would be willing to turn out electronically to=0A> call abuse what it is= . I'd be willing. Send me a message, including=0Ainfo=0A> on how to create= an account, if that happens again. Perhaps also provide=0A> more details/= context.=0A>=0A> Is anyone else in? It's really not cool to behave abusive= ly toward the=0A> differently abled, whether online or in person. Let's ca= ll that behavior=0A> out.=0A>=0A> Mark DuCharme=0A>=0A> > Date: Sun, 26 Ja= n 2014 14:08:21 -0500=0A> > From: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM=0A> > Subject: Re: = Poetics List (1993-2014)=0A> > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A> >=0A> = > ---------------------- Information from the mail header=0A> ------------= -----------=0A> > Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" =0A> > Poster: reJennifer Bartlett =0A> = > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014)=0A> >=0A>=0A----------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------=0A> >=0A> > Mura= t (and others),=0A> >=0A> > I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and se= lf have ever been=0Aattacked=0A> on=0A> > the internet to this degree? I e= ven had a poet write to tell me that=0Ashe=0A> > quit the WomPo list becau= se of my beliefs of disability.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at = 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato <=0A> poet@francescolevato.com=0A> > > wrote:=0A= >> =0A> > > My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls.= I have=0A> an=0A> > > automated system in place, on the new list, to stop= automated spam=0A> > > attacks, but=0A> > > someone could still register = for real, than send spam messages to the=0A> > > board. So,=0A> > > hopefu= lly moderation will help on that end.=0A> > >=0A> > > Best,=0A> > > France= sco=0A> > >=0A> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> > > The Poetics List = will cease operations by the end of January 2014;=0A> please=0A> > > do no= t post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be=0A> > > avai= lable at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE=0A> this=0A= >>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend= =0A> the=0A> > > work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so a= ll=0A> participants=0A> > > will be informed of such options.=0A> > >=0A> = > =0A> >=0A> >=0A> > --=0A> > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256= /the-larry-eigner-project=0A> >=0A> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> > T= he Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014;=0A> plea= se do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be=0A> = available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The=0AChicag= o=0A> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that lis= t go=0Ato=0A> .=0A>=0A> =3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> The Poetics List will cease operations by the= end of January 2014; please=0A> do not post messages after that time. Arc= hives will continue to be=0A> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/= poeticslist.html. The=0AChicago=0A> School of Poetics has started a new Po= etics List -- to join that list go=0Ato=0A> .=0A>=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List = will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please=0Ado not post mes= sages after that time. Archives will continue to be=0Aavailable at http://= epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago=0ASchool of Poetics = has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to=0A.=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0Ahttp://www.kickstarte= r.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no me= ssages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has s= tarted a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to t= he new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.= edu/poetics/poeticslist.html.=0A= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 04:14:48 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Seaman Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hell, it is not cool to abuse. Maybe some of us get really cute with our s= narky wit, but frankly, I am sick of it.=A0=0A=0AMellow David. Call me a w= imp if you wish.=A0=0A=0AOn Jan 26, 2014, at 09:42 PM, Mark wrote:=0A=0AThat said, I believe what Jennifer is describing = is abusive responses to her position. Look, anyone is entitled to his or h= er opinion (expressed appropriately, and with appropriate regard for other= s). Murat has a point that if you know it will be seen as "controversial" = (I myself don't necessarily see why that would be the case, based on what = Jennifer writes) then you should expect, and be prepared for, some pushbac= k. However, your point, Jennifer, unless I misread you, is that some of th= e responses you have received have gone *beyond* controversy toward abuse = or borderline abuse. And I find that stunning. I'm not sure what to tell y= ou except, if you can find the courage, don't let yourself be silenced. An= d if you need supporters in these (did you say they were online?) forums, = maybe some of the members of this list would be willing to turn out electr= onically to call abuse what it is. I'd be willing. Send me a message, incl= uding info on how to create an account, if that happens again. Perhaps als= o provide more details/context.=0A=0AIs anyone else in? It's really not co= ol to behave abusively toward the differently abled, whether online or in = person. Let's call that behavior out.=0A=0AMark DuCharme=0A=0ADate: Sun, 2= 6 Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500=0AFrom: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM=0ASubject: Re: Poet= ics List (1993-2014)=0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A----------------= ------ Information from the mail header -----------------------=0ASender: = "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" =0APoster: reJenn= ifer Bartlett =0ASubject: Re: Poetics List (1993-201= 4)=0A---------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------=0AMurat (and others),=0AI'm just curious if you feel your ideas= and self have ever been attacked on=0Athe internet to this degree? I even= had a poet write to tell me that she=0Aquit the WomPo list because of my = beliefs of disability.=0AOn Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levat= o wrote:=0A> My main reason for the moderati= on is to stop spam from trolls. I have an=0A> automated system in place, o= n the new list, to stop automated spam=0A> attacks, but=0A> someone could = still register for real, than send spam messages to the=0A> board. So,=0A>= hopefully moderation will help on that end.=0A>=0A> Best,=0A> Francesco=0A= > =0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> The Poetics List will cease operatio= ns by the end of January 2014; please=0A> do not post messages after that = time. Archives will continue to be=0A> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu= /poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this=0A> exception: Information regarding = discussion groups that might extend the=0A> work of the Poetics List will = be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants=0A> will be informed of such op= tions.=0A>=0A--=0Ahttp://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-= eigner-project=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List will ceas= e operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after= that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.e= du/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a n= ew Poetics List -- to join that list go to .=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List wil= l cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages= after that time. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buf= falo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago School of Poetics has start= ed a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to .=0A= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 05:02:03 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Seaman Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Girl poet. That has a quaint sound, but I like it. Is it ok with you girls? I am in my 70s, so I can adopt any new language level. Girl poets. I welcome you. Maybe I can whip up some biscuits. Come visit me, please. Write! On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:19 PM, reJennifer Bartlett wrote: Hi Mark, Thank you so much for your support - it makes me feel really heard. You mentioned Eigner. I am writing a biography on him, doing some archival work, and assisting with permissions for his works. It's a non-stop adventure. Yes, I haven't spoken about irt publicly, but once I wrote a "column" on my blog about using the word 'retarded." Some creeps got ahold of my photograph and put my picture up on their list-serv mocking me ruthlessly. They emailed me both at home and Montclair state (where I taught) to make sure I saw it. This was devastating. I also got quite a bit of slack for calling Paul Guest out on letting Ashbery refer to him as "invalid" as did also mary Kerr. You would think that respecting the rights of people with disabilities is a no-brainer. But, really, it is controversial and when I speak up often I am shot down or ignored. Although I realize that my opions are extreme...I for example am perfectly happy having cerebral palsy - it's just who I am! But most want to pity you or believe you would be better off abled and that you wish for that. When you say - I'm disabled and happy with who I am - people will react strongly and negatively. That said, I haven't had much trouble on the list, here. I think Amy has been a gem. And I have chosen to speak up minimally here because (really) I feel as a girl poet, I am speaking into an empty well & many of my comments are just ignored. Also, since I am uber-sensitive, I am attempting to back away from the internet entirely. I did take issue, recently, with some criticism here that I felt critized Lisa Jarnot, instead of her writing, and I wrote about that. But, overall, the list has been pretty safe for me and I met some wonderful folks, namely my assistant, Eric. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Mark wrote: That said, I believe what Jennifer is describing is abusive responses to her position. Look, anyone is entitled to his or her opinion (expressed appropriately, and with appropriate regard for others). Murat has a point that if you know it will be seen as "controversial" (I myself don't necessarily see why that would be the case, based on what Jennifer writes) then you should expect, and be prepared for, some pushback. However, your point, Jennifer, unless I misread you, is that some of the responses you have received have gone *beyond* controversy toward abuse or borderline abuse. And I find that stunning. I'm not sure what to tell you except, if you can find the courage, don't let yourself be silenced. And if you need supporters in these (did you say they were online?) forums, maybe some of the members of this list would be willing to turn out electronically to call abuse what it is. I'd be willing. Send me a message, including info on how to create an account, if that happens again. Perhaps also provide more details/context. Is anyone else in? It's really not cool to behave abusively toward the differently abled, whether online or in person. Let's call that behavior out. Mark DuCharme > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500 > From: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > ---------------------- Information from the mail header ----------------------- > Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" > Poster: reJennifer Bartlett > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Murat (and others), > > I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been attacked on > the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that she > quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato < poet@francescolevato.com >> wrote: > >> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have an >> automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam >> attacks, but >> someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the >> board. So, >> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >> >> Best, >> Francesco >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants >> will be informed of such options. >> > > > > -- > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please do not post messages after that time. 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Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 00:36:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Dan Wilcox Subject: News Release: Third Thursday Poetry Night, Feb. 20: Philip Good Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Poetry Motel Foundation c/o Dan Wilcox 280 South Main Ave. Albany, NY 12208 (518) 482-0262 > Press Release -- for immediate release < Poet Philip Good will read at the Social Justice Center Thursday, February 20, 7:30PM Poet Philip Good will read from his work at the Social Justice Center, = 33 Central Ave., Albany on Thursday, February 20, 2014 at 7:30PM. = Philip Good's work can be found online with BigBridge, Exquisite Corpse, = Tool and The Volta . Look for his forthcoming book UNTITLED WRITINGS = FROM A MEMBER OF THE BLANK GENERATION by Trembling Pillow Press.=20 A reading by a local or regional poet is held each Third Thursday at the = Social Justice Center. The event includes an open mic for audience = members to read. Sign-up starts at 7:00PM, with the reading beginning = at 7:30. The host of the readings is Albany poet and photographer Dan = Wilcox. The suggested donation is $3.00, which helps support this and = other poetry programs of the Poetry Motel Foundation, and the work of = the Social Justice Center. For more information about this event = contact Dan Wilcox, 518-482-0262; e-mail: dwlcx@earthlink.net. The Social Justice Center, founded in 1981, is a non-profit organization = working for progressive social change through education, community = building and collective action. The center advances the struggles = against racism and for peace and justice. For further information about = the SJC call 518-434-4037. #= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 22:26:01 +1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Young Subject: The new issue of Otoliths is up MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Issue thirty-two of Otoliths has just gone live. It's a few days early, but there's a cyclone named Dylan -- let's not go there --heading in our general direction, &, if it comes too close, I'll shelter happier knowing the new issue of *Otoliths* is up on line. The southern summer 2014 issue maintains the magical mix of styles & media *Otoliths* is known for, with work from Jennie Cole, Michael D. Goscinski, Howie Good, Kyle Hemmings, Eric Hoffman, Raymond Farr, Jim Meirose, John M. Bennett, Craig Cotter, Philip Byron Oakes, Jack Galmitz, A. J. Huffman, Reed Altemus, Anne-Marie JEANJEAN, Paul Summers, Philip Terry & Tom Jenks, Miro Sandev, Lee Slonimsky, Joshua Comyn, Zachary Scott Hamilton., SS Prasad, Michael Berton, Marthe Reed, Nicola Griffin, Owen Bullock, John Martone, Louise Landes Levi, Kate Tough, Alex Stolis, Elizabeth Allen, Bobbi Lurie, Cecelia Chapman, Demosthenes Agrafiotis, Catherine Vidler, H. Mark Webster, Adam Fieled, Joel Chace, Carol Stetser, dan raphael, Corey Wakeling, Taylor Reid, Johannes Bjerg, Mariapia Fanna Roncoroni, sean burn, Felino A. Soriano, Leigh Herrick, John Pursch, Mark Cunningham, Tony Beyer, Vernon Frazer, J. D. Nelson, Richard Kostelanetz, Lakey Comess, Andrew Brenza, Jeff Harrison, Darrell Petska, Marc Thompson, Spencer Selby, Katrinka Moore, Michael Brandonisio, Eryk Wenziak & Amy Gentile, Branko Gulin, Bogdan Puslenghea, Caleb Puckett, Bob Heman, Marty Hiatt, Gene Flenady, Tim Wright, Collin Schuster, bruno neiva, Geraldine Burrowes, Dylan Kinnett, & Aditya Bahl. ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 08:01:42 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Camille Martin Subject: Robert Zend - Part 1. Premiere of a Rediscovered Treasure . . . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 . . . in which I present Zend's Linelife, a previously unpublished flip-book animation (digitalized as a short film) - a rediscovered little gem from the Hungarian-Canadian avant-garde writer and artist: http://rogueembryo.com/2014/01/26/robert-zend-part-1-linelife-premiere-of-a-rediscovered-treasure-2/ Please have a look and spread the word to anyone who may be interested. Cheers! 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Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 08:41:39 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: list stuff, ive been a huge fan of this list, and thank charles bernstein & all involved for helping those of us far flung and afield remain connected on events, publications, calls for submissions and just about everything else; there is a whole ton of writing i might not have been aware of had this list not existed; i owe the list much, if anyone is interested in remaining informed on above/ground press, chaudiere books, the dusie tuesday poem and/or the ottawa small press book fair, send me an email at rob_mclennan@hotmail.com; im starting to build my own lists up there, best from snowy ottawa, -- writer/editor/publisher ; ottawater, above/ground press + Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ; coord., SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair poetry - Songs for little sleep, (obvious epiphanies press) ; 2nd novel - missing persons ; abovegroundpress.blogspot.com ; robmclennan.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:51:56 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Patrick F. Durgin" Subject: Tarnac, a preparatory act MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kenning Editions is proud to announce the publication of /Tarnac, a preparatory act /, by Jean-Marie Gleize--translated from the French by Joshua Clover, Abigail Lang, and Bonnie Roy. The book is available at a discount: $12.00 through Friday when you purchase directly from the press. Published in 2011 by Editions du Seuil, /Tarnac, un acte préparatoire/ interrogates in poetic form the fallout from and precedent for the notorious cause célèbre of the "Tarnac Nine"---associated with the Invisible Committee, pseudonymous authors of /The Coming Insurrection/. It is his Anglo-American debut full-length, though as editor of the journal /Nioques/, he is well-known to American readers for, among other things, importing to France the work of some more daring poets from the U.S. In translation, /Tarnac/, a preparatory act not only lends insight into radical aesthetic politics that characterize ongoing transatlantic---indeed global---intellectual affinities, but it introduces to American readers an inestimably important figure of French letters. Jean-Marie Gleize considers the implication of an arrest for something "preparatory," that is, something like speech. // Can a poem (a preliminary act) be insurrectionary? // Poem as "black positive" as in a photograph of a dark surface--Charles Bernstein Poetry / Literature, Paperback, 176 pages, ISBN: 9780984647538, details and orders here. You will also enjoy a discount if you subscribe to receive Tarnac, The Compleat Purge by Trisha Low, and PQRS by Patrick Durgin, bundled for $35.00. ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:18:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: reJennifer Bartlett Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks David. This is me: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/04/complaint-box-its-not-as-bad-as-it-looks/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALoSV3cafS8 On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:07 PM, David Seaman wrote: > I am stunned by the idea that someone would attack a writer for any other > reason than intelligent debate about issues. Jennifer, whoever you are, you > deserve respect. Good people support you. I have not seen your poetry; that > is not the issue. You are a person. Be yourself. Call on us to stand up to > anyone who demeans you. > > David > > > On Jan 27, 2014, at 06:49 PM, reJennifer Bartlett > wrote: > > Murat, > > How is "Larry Eigner behind all these discussions?" > Jennifer Bartlett > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat > wrote: > > Mark, > Of course, Larry Eigner is behind all these discussions. > I am aware there is a difference between disagreement and abuse, but I > don't think that distinction in the periphery is always that clear. A > response that has an emotional edge to it (why should there not be if the > issues are important), may possibly seen by the other party as abusive > while it may not be so. For instance, is an ironic or sarcastic response > abusive? That is why I began this discussion by asking that question. > Murat > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Mark wrote: > >> That said, I believe what Jennifer is describing is abusive responses to >> her position. Look, anyone is entitled to his or her opinion (expressed >> appropriately, and with appropriate regard for others). Murat has a >> > point > >> that if you know it will be seen as "controversial" (I myself don't >> necessarily see why that would be the case, based on what Jennifer >> > writes) > >> then you should expect, and be prepared for, some pushback. However, >> > your > >> point, Jennifer, unless I misread you, is that some of the responses you >> have received have gone *beyond* controversy toward abuse or borderline >> abuse. And I find that stunning. I'm not sure what to tell you except, >> > if > >> you can find the courage, don't let yourself be silenced. And if you >> > need > >> supporters in these (did you say they were online?) forums, maybe some of >> the members of this list would be willing to turn out electronically to >> call abuse what it is. I'd be willing. Send me a message, including >> > info > >> on how to create an account, if that happens again. Perhaps also provide >> more details/context. >> >> Is anyone else in? It's really not cool to behave abusively toward the >> differently abled, whether online or in person. Let's call that behavior >> out. >> >> Mark DuCharme >> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500 >>> From: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM >>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> >>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >> ----------------------- >>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" > >>> Poster: reJennifer Bartlett >>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------- > >>> >>> Murat (and others), >>> >>> I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been >> > attacked > >> on >>> the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that >> > she > >>> quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato < >> poet@francescolevato.com >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have >> an >>>> automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam >>>> attacks, but >>>> someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the >>>> board. So, >>>> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Francesco >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >> please >>>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE >> this >>>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend >> the >>>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all >> participants >>>> will be informed of such options. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >> please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The >> > Chicago > >> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go >> > to > >> . >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The >> > Chicago > >> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go >> > to > >> . >> >> ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to > . > > > > -- > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages > will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a > new Poetics List -- to join that list go to chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here should now be moved to > the new site. Archives will continue to be available at > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages > will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a > new Poetics List -- to join that list go to chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here should now be moved to > the new site. Archives will continue to be available at > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. > -- http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 08:50:08 -0800 Reply-To: amy king Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good question. ________________________________ Fro= =0A=0A=A0Good question. =A0=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A Fro= m: reJennifer Bartlett =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFAL= O.EDU =0ASent: Monday, January 27, 2014 6:49 PM=0ASubject: Re: Poetics List= (1993-2014)=0A =0A=0AMurat,=0A=0AHow is "Larry Eigner behind all these dis= cussions?"=0AJennifer Bartlett=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Mu= rat Nemet-Nejat wrote:=0A=0A> Mark,=0A>=0A> Of course, L= arry Eigner is behind all these discussions.=0A>=0A> I am aware there is a = difference between disagreement and abuse, but I=0A> don't think that disti= nction in the periphery is always that clear. A=0A> response that has an em= otional edge to it (why should there not be if the=0A> issues are important= ), may possibly seen by the other party as abusive=0A> while it may not be = so. For instance, is an ironic or sarcastic response=0A> abusive? That is w= hy I began this discussion by asking that question.=0A>=0A> Murat=0A>=0A>= =0A> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Mark wrote= :=0A>=0A> > That said, I believe what Jennifer is describing is abusive res= ponses to=0A> > her position.=A0 Look, anyone is entitled to his or her opi= nion (expressed=0A> > appropriately, and with appropriate regard for others= ).=A0 Murat has a=0A> point=0A> > that if you know it will be seen as "cont= roversial" (I myself don't=0A> > necessarily see why that would be the case= , based on what Jennifer=0A> writes)=0A> > then you should expect, and be p= repared for, some pushback.=A0 However,=0A> your=0A> > point, Jennifer, unl= ess I misread you, is that some of the responses you=0A> > have received ha= ve gone *beyond* controversy toward abuse or borderline=0A> > abuse.=A0 And= I find that stunning.=A0 I'm not sure what to tell you except,=0A> if=0A> = > you can find the courage, don't let yourself be silenced.=A0 And if you= =0A> need=0A> > supporters in these (did you say they were online?) forums,= maybe some of=0A> > the members of this list would be willing to turn out = electronically to=0A> > call abuse what it is.=A0 I'd be willing.=A0 Send m= e a message, including=0A> info=0A> > on how to create an account, if that = happens again.=A0 Perhaps also provide=0A> > more details/context.=0A> >=0A= >> Is anyone else in?=A0 It's really not cool to behave abusively toward t= he=0A> > differently abled, whether online or in person.=A0 Let's call that= behavior=0A> > out.=0A> >=0A> > Mark DuCharme=0A> >=0A> > > Date: Sun, 26 = Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500=0A> > > From: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM=0A> > > Subject:= Re: Poetics List (1993-2014)=0A> > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A> = >> =0A> > > ---------------------- Information from the mail header=0A> > -= ----------------------=0A> > > Sender:=A0 =A0 =A0 "Poetics List (UPenn, UB= )" >=0A> > > Poster:=A0 =A0 =A0 reJennif= er Bartlett =0A> > > Subject:=A0 =A0 =A0 Re: Poetics = List (1993-2014)=0A> > >=0A> >=0A> ----------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------=0A> > >=0A> > > Murat (and others),= =0A> > >=0A> > > I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever= been=0A> attacked=0A> > on=0A> > > the internet to this degree? I even had= a poet write to tell me that=0A> she=0A> > > quit the WomPo list because o= f my beliefs of disability.=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at= 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato <=0A> > poet@francescolevato.com=0A> > > > wrot= e:=0A> > >=0A> > > > My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from= trolls. I have=0A> > an=0A> > > > automated system in place, on the new li= st, to stop automated spam=0A> > > > attacks, but=0A> > > > someone could s= till register for real, than send spam messages to the=0A> > > > board. So,= =0A> > > > hopefully moderation will help on that end.=0A> > > >=0A> > > > = Best,=0A> > > > Francesco=0A> > > >=0A> > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =0A> > > > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 201= 4;=0A> > please=0A> > > > do not post messages after that time. Archives wi= ll continue to be=0A> > > > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poe= ticslist.html. NOTE=0A> > this=0A> > > > exception: Information regarding d= iscussion groups that might extend=0A> > the=0A> > > > work of the Poetics = List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all=0A> > participants=0A> > > > will b= e informed of such options.=0A> > > >=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > > --=0A= >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-projec= t=0A> > >=0A> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> > > The Poetics List will= cease operations by the end of January 2014;=0A> > please do not post mess= ages after that time. Archives will continue to be=0A> > available at http:= //epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The=0A> Chicago=0A> > School of= Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go=0A> to=0A> = > .=0A> >=0A> > =3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end = of January 2014; please=0A> > do not post messages after that time. Archive= s will continue to be=0A> > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poe= ticslist.html. The=0A> Chicago=0A> > School of Poetics has started a new Po= etics List -- to join that list go=0A> to=0A> > .=0A> >=0A>=0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> The = Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please=0A> d= o not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be=0A> avail= able at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago=0A> Sc= hool of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to= =0A> .=0A>=0A=0A=0A=0A-- = =0Ahttp://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project= =0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List will cease operations = on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicag= o School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go = to . Threads ongoing here s= hould now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available = at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:52:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 re-Jennifer, I said "Larry Eigner is behind all these discussions" both because, in our time, he is the prominent poet with disabilities and also because I was aware you are writing a biography of him. I must say the reaction to your column about the word "retarded" you described is beyond the pale. I was not referring to that kind of atrocious behaviour. On the other hand, if Paul Guest is O.K. with being described as "invalid" by Ashbery, what right do you have to object to it? I am aware that "invalid" has the connotation "mot valid" in it. Is that your objection, the suggestion that disabilities make a person invalid? By the way, Tom Savage suffers from epilepsy. There is another (his name eludes me now) who suffers from Tourette Syndrome. Ciao, Murat On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:14 PM, David Seaman wrote: > Hell, it is not cool to abuse. Maybe some of us get really cute with our > snarky wit, but frankly, I am sick of it. > > Mellow David. Call me a wimp if you wish. > > > On Jan 26, 2014, at 09:42 PM, Mark wrote: > > That said, I believe what Jennifer is describing is abusive responses to > her position. Look, anyone is entitled to his or her opinion (expressed > appropriately, and with appropriate regard for others). Murat has a point > that if you know it will be seen as "controversial" (I myself don't > necessarily see why that would be the case, based on what Jennifer writes) > then you should expect, and be prepared for, some pushback. However, your > point, Jennifer, unless I misread you, is that some of the responses you > have received have gone *beyond* controversy toward abuse or borderline > abuse. And I find that stunning. I'm not sure what to tell you except, if > you can find the courage, don't let yourself be silenced. And if you need > supporters in these (did you say they were online?) forums, maybe some of > the members of this list would be willing to turn out electronically to > call abuse what it is. I'd be willing. Send me a message, including info on > how to create an account, if that happens again. Perhaps also provide more > details/context. > > Is anyone else in? It's really not cool to behave abusively toward the > differently abled, whether online or in person. Let's call that behavior > out. > > Mark DuCharme > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500 > From: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > ---------------------- Information from the mail header > ----------------------- > Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" > Poster: reJennifer Bartlett > Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------- > Murat (and others), > I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been attacked on > the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that she > quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato < > poet@francescolevato.com > >> wrote: >> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have an >> automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam >> attacks, but >> someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the >> board. So, >> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >> >> Best, >> Francesco >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the >> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants >> will be informed of such options. >> >> -- > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to > . > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please > do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be > available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago > School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to > . > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages > will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a > new Poetics List -- to join that list go to chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here should now be moved to > the new site. Archives will continue to be available at > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. > ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:10:39 -0500 Reply-To: CW POETICS & PROSE Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Amy King Subject: SUNY NCC POETICS: NEW + NEWS Comments: To: POETICS@LISTS.NCC.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *NEW* Poets & writers of innovation welcome! Post calls for work, reading notifications and publications, and related-matter - POETICS@lists.ncc.edu This is a moderated list - only topical listings will appear. Please indicate reading cities in the subject heading. MANAGE YOUR SUBSCRIPTION - http://lists.ncc.edu/scripts/wa.exe ~~~~~~~~ *NEWS* 1.) New poem in the January issue of *Poetry* - http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poem/246978 2.) *Poetry Magazine* invited me to write a piece for them - http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2014/01/whacked-out-a-case-for-the-advocacy-of-the-unlisted-amy-king/ 3.) I have also been writing for *Boston Review* - http://www.bostonreview.net/author/amy-king as well as *The Rumpus*- http://therumpus.net/topics/amy-king/ * Stay tuned for a new article coming out at *Boston Review* next week. * One of my poems made *Boston Review's Top 20 Poems of 2013*- http://www.bostonreview.net/blog/boston-review-brs-20-top-poems-2013 4.) Stay tuned for the 2013 VIDA Count and an overhaul of our website, to include a discussion forum, membership, etc - http://www.vidaweb.org/ Follow us @ https://twitter.com/VIDA_lit 5.) Addt'l publications (in no particular order) - * *Likestarlings* - http://www.likestarlings.com/poems/amy-king-bill-domonkos/#1 * *Posit Journal* - http://positjournal.com/2013/12/16/amy-king/ * *Connotation Press *- http://www.connotationpress.com/a-poetry-congeries-with-john-hoppenthaler/december-2013/2128-amy-king-poetry * *No Place for the Little Lyric (audio with me on Adrienne Rich)*- http://www.poetryfoundation.org/features/audioitem/3188 * *Mad Hat Review* - http://www.madhattersreview.com/issue15/poetry_king.shtml * *Storyscape* - http://www.storyscapejournal.com/Issue11/youre-my-north-by-amy-king.html * *Similar Peaks* - http://similarpeakspoetry.com/proofs/amy-king/ * *Spork Press* (Creative nonfiction - *re: Hitler*) - http://sporkpress.com/?p=4575 Amy King Associate Professor Department of English "The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." --Alice Walker ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:20:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: lists, forums, etc. : MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Hi - Can we have a list somewhere - before time runs out - of all the possibilities for the Poetics Diaspora? We're running Wryting, at http://clc.wvu.edu/projects/wryting_l for creative work and announcements; there's another Poetics list that Amy is running? and there's New-Poetics and the Poetics forum? - Please clarify; what worries me is redundancy or dispersion here - Thanks greatly, Alan ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:23:01 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: C Voisine Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 dear jennifer-- i am reading the iliad right now to teach it in a few hours. it is no accident to me that "crippled" hephaestus is the god of fire and makes for achilles his most beautiful shield that contains the whole world in it. connie On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 9:18 AM, reJennifer Bartlett wrote: > Thanks David. This is me: > > http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/04/complaint-box-its-not-as-bad-as-it-looks/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALoSV3cafS8 > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:07 PM, David Seaman wrote: > >> I am stunned by the idea that someone would attack a writer for any other >> reason than intelligent debate about issues. Jennifer, whoever you are, > you >> deserve respect. Good people support you. I have not seen your poetry; > that >> is not the issue. You are a person. Be yourself. Call on us to stand up > to >> anyone who demeans you. >> >> David >> >> >> On Jan 27, 2014, at 06:49 PM, reJennifer Bartlett >> wrote: >> >> Murat, >> >> How is "Larry Eigner behind all these discussions?" >> Jennifer Bartlett >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat >> wrote: >> >> Mark, >> Of course, Larry Eigner is behind all these discussions. >> I am aware there is a difference between disagreement and abuse, but I >> don't think that distinction in the periphery is always that clear. A >> response that has an emotional edge to it (why should there not be if the >> issues are important), may possibly seen by the other party as abusive >> while it may not be so. For instance, is an ironic or sarcastic response >> abusive? That is why I began this discussion by asking that question. >> Murat >> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Mark wrote: >> >>> That said, I believe what Jennifer is describing is abusive responses to >>> her position. Look, anyone is entitled to his or her opinion (expressed >>> appropriately, and with appropriate regard for others). Murat has a >>> >> point >> >>> that if you know it will be seen as "controversial" (I myself don't >>> necessarily see why that would be the case, based on what Jennifer >>> >> writes) >> >>> then you should expect, and be prepared for, some pushback. However, >>> >> your >> >>> point, Jennifer, unless I misread you, is that some of the responses you >>> have received have gone *beyond* controversy toward abuse or borderline >>> abuse. And I find that stunning. I'm not sure what to tell you except, >>> >> if >> >>> you can find the courage, don't let yourself be silenced. And if you >>> >> need >> >>> supporters in these (did you say they were online?) forums, maybe some > of >>> the members of this list would be willing to turn out electronically to >>> call abuse what it is. I'd be willing. Send me a message, including >>> >> info >> >>> on how to create an account, if that happens again. Perhaps also provide >>> more details/context. >>> >>> Is anyone else in? It's really not cool to behave abusively toward the >>> differently abled, whether online or in person. Let's call that behavior >>> out. >>> >>> Mark DuCharme >>> >>>> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500 >>>> From: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM >>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> >>>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >>> ----------------------- >>>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" >> >>>> Poster: reJennifer Bartlett >>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------- >> >>>> >>>> Murat (and others), >>>> >>>> I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been >>> >> attacked >> >>> on >>>> the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that >>> >> she >> >>>> quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato < >>> poet@francescolevato.com >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I > have >>> an >>>>> automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam >>>>> attacks, but >>>>> someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to > the >>>>> board. So, >>>>> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Francesco >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >>> please >>>>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>>>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE >>> this >>>>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend >>> the >>>>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all >>> participants >>>>> will be informed of such options. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >>> please do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to > be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The >>> >> Chicago >> >>> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go >>> >> to >> >>> . >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The >>> >> Chicago >> >>> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go >>> >> to >> >>> . >>> >>> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The > Chicago >> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go > to >> . >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages >> will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has > started a >> new Poetics List -- to join that list go to > chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here should now be moved > to >> the new site. Archives will continue to be available at >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages >> will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has > started a >> new Poetics List -- to join that list go to > chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here should now be moved > to >> the new site. Archives will continue to be available at >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. >> > > > > -- > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages > will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a > new Poetics List -- to join that list go to < > http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here > should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available > at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. > -- Connie Voisine Associate Professor of English New Mexico State University cvoisine@nmsu.edu 575-646-2027 ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:29:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: reJennifer Bartlett Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jennifer Bartlett! Hi Murat, The list is dying and so is my energy. I am including some links of my work that might explain better... this is a long and tedious topic with many turns and ideas. I feel like you are not quite getting it. Without reliving the trauma of the Guest thing. Yes. My disagreement with Guest was allowing himself to be referred as NOT VALID - i.e. put down on his book cover, disempowered and put in the victim role for sake of sales. I see it this way - if someone had used the word nigger, fag or bitch in a blurb, we'd never hear the end of it. However, people are so attached to their concept of disability that this kind of thing goes unnoticed and then defended (as you are here). Guest has every right to call himself and invalid and let Mary Kerr and others to it. I have every right to challenge and question that decision. Question: Would you defend the poet is it where the case of a blurb with a racial slur? I do not use the word SUFFERING FROM in terms of disability. Every corporeal body is or will be full of various types of suffering. To say someone "suffers from" cerebral palsy is degrading and makes a neurotical difference into a disease - which it is not. Girl poet- I say that a big ironically. But I do consider myself a feisty, sexy "girl" but my father is Lee Bartlett and, therefore, genetically, I can talk circles around any man and probably drink them under the table too. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > re-Jennifer, > > I said "Larry Eigner is behind all these discussions" both because, in our > time, he is the prominent poet with disabilities and also because I was > aware you are writing a biography of him. > > I must say the reaction to your column about the word "retarded" you > described is beyond the pale. I was not referring to that kind of atrocious > behaviour. On the other hand, if Paul Guest is O.K. with being described as > "invalid" by Ashbery, what right do you have to object to it? I am aware > that "invalid" has the connotation "mot valid" in it. Is that your > objection, the suggestion that disabilities make a person invalid? > > By the way, Tom Savage suffers from epilepsy. There is another (his name > eludes me now) who suffers from Tourette Syndrome. > > Ciao, > Murat > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:14 PM, David Seaman wrote: > >> Hell, it is not cool to abuse. Maybe some of us get really cute with our >> snarky wit, but frankly, I am sick of it. >> >> Mellow David. Call me a wimp if you wish. >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2014, at 09:42 PM, Mark wrote: >> >> That said, I believe what Jennifer is describing is abusive responses to >> her position. Look, anyone is entitled to his or her opinion (expressed >> appropriately, and with appropriate regard for others). Murat has a point >> that if you know it will be seen as "controversial" (I myself don't >> necessarily see why that would be the case, based on what Jennifer > writes) >> then you should expect, and be prepared for, some pushback. However, your >> point, Jennifer, unless I misread you, is that some of the responses you >> have received have gone *beyond* controversy toward abuse or borderline >> abuse. And I find that stunning. I'm not sure what to tell you except, if >> you can find the courage, don't let yourself be silenced. And if you need >> supporters in these (did you say they were online?) forums, maybe some of >> the members of this list would be willing to turn out electronically to >> call abuse what it is. I'd be willing. Send me a message, including info > on >> how to create an account, if that happens again. Perhaps also provide > more >> details/context. >> >> Is anyone else in? It's really not cool to behave abusively toward the >> differently abled, whether online or in person. Let's call that behavior >> out. >> >> Mark DuCharme >> >> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500 >> From: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM >> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >> ----------------------- >> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" >> Poster: reJennifer Bartlett >> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------- >> Murat (and others), >> I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been attacked > on >> the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that she >> quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. >> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato < >> poet@francescolevato.com >> >>> wrote: >>> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have an >>> automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam >>> attacks, but >>> someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the >>> board. So, >>> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >>> >>> Best, >>> Francesco >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE this >>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend the >>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all participants >>> will be informed of such options. >>> >>> -- >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The > Chicago >> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go > to >> . >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please >> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The > Chicago >> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go > to >> . >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages >> will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has > started a >> new Poetics List -- to join that list go to > chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here should now be moved > to >> the new site. Archives will continue to be available at >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages > will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a > new Poetics List -- to join that list go to < > http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here > should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available > at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. > -- http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:36:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: reJennifer Bartlett Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 to be crippled means to have a window into the insanity of the able-bodied to be crippled means to see the world slowly and manically *to translate * *to record* *to adapt* to be crippled means to have access to people's fear of their own eroding http://www.beautyisaverbbook.com/ http://www.wordgathering.com/past_issues/issue25/reviews/bartlett.html http://www.wordgathering.com/issue27/reading_loop/bartlett.html On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:29 PM, reJennifer Bartlett wrote: > Jennifer Bartlett! > > Hi Murat, The list is dying and so is my energy. I am including some links > of my work that might explain better... this is a long and tedious topic > with many turns and ideas. I feel like you are not quite getting it. > > Without reliving the trauma of the Guest thing. Yes. My disagreement with > Guest was allowing himself to be referred as NOT VALID - i.e. put down on > his book cover, disempowered and put in the victim role for sake of sales. > I see it this way - if someone had used the word nigger, fag or bitch in a > blurb, we'd never hear the end of it. However, people are so attached to > their concept of disability that this kind of thing goes unnoticed and then > defended (as you are here). Guest has every right to call himself and > invalid and let Mary Kerr and others to it. I have every right to challenge > and question that decision. Question: Would you defend the poet is it where > the case of a blurb with a racial slur? > > I do not use the word SUFFERING FROM in terms of disability. Every > corporeal body is or will be full of various types of suffering. To say > someone "suffers from" cerebral palsy is degrading and makes a neurotical > difference into a disease - which it is not. > > Girl poet- I say that a big ironically. But I do consider myself a > feisty, sexy "girl" but my father is Lee Bartlett and, therefore, > genetically, I can talk circles around any man and probably drink them > under the table too. > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > >> re-Jennifer, >> >> I said "Larry Eigner is behind all these discussions" both because, in our >> time, he is the prominent poet with disabilities and also because I was >> aware you are writing a biography of him. >> >> I must say the reaction to your column about the word "retarded" you >> described is beyond the pale. I was not referring to that kind of >> atrocious >> behaviour. On the other hand, if Paul Guest is O.K. with being described >> as >> "invalid" by Ashbery, what right do you have to object to it? I am aware >> that "invalid" has the connotation "mot valid" in it. Is that your >> objection, the suggestion that disabilities make a person invalid? >> >> By the way, Tom Savage suffers from epilepsy. There is another (his name >> eludes me now) who suffers from Tourette Syndrome. >> >> Ciao, >> Murat >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:14 PM, David Seaman wrote: >> >>> Hell, it is not cool to abuse. Maybe some of us get really cute with our >>> snarky wit, but frankly, I am sick of it. >>> >>> Mellow David. Call me a wimp if you wish. >>> >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 09:42 PM, Mark wrote: >>> >>> That said, I believe what Jennifer is describing is abusive responses to >>> her position. Look, anyone is entitled to his or her opinion (expressed >>> appropriately, and with appropriate regard for others). Murat has a >> point >>> that if you know it will be seen as "controversial" (I myself don't >>> necessarily see why that would be the case, based on what Jennifer >> writes) >>> then you should expect, and be prepared for, some pushback. However, >> your >>> point, Jennifer, unless I misread you, is that some of the responses you >>> have received have gone *beyond* controversy toward abuse or borderline >>> abuse. And I find that stunning. I'm not sure what to tell you except, >> if >>> you can find the courage, don't let yourself be silenced. And if you >> need >>> supporters in these (did you say they were online?) forums, maybe some >> of >>> the members of this list would be willing to turn out electronically to >>> call abuse what it is. I'd be willing. Send me a message, including >> info on >>> how to create an account, if that happens again. Perhaps also provide >> more >>> details/context. >>> >>> Is anyone else in? It's really not cool to behave abusively toward the >>> differently abled, whether online or in person. Let's call that behavior >>> out. >>> >>> Mark DuCharme >>> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500 >>> From: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM >>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >>> ----------------------- >>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" >>> Poster: reJennifer Bartlett >>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------- >>> Murat (and others), >>> I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been >> attacked on >>> the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that she >>> quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. >>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato < >>> poet@francescolevato.com >>> >>>> wrote: >>>> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have >> an >>>> automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam >>>> attacks, but >>>> someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the >>>> board. So, >>>> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Francesco >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >> please >>>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE >> this >>>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend >> the >>>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all >> participants >>>> will be informed of such options. >>>> >>>> -- >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >> please >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The >> Chicago >>> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list >> go to >>> . >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >> please >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The >> Chicago >>> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list >> go to >>> . >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages >>> will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has >> started a >>> new Poetics List -- to join that list go to >> chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here should now be moved >> to >>> the new site. Archives will continue to be available at >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages >> will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a >> new Poetics List -- to join that list go to < >> http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here >> should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available >> at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. >> > > > > -- > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project > -- http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:43:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: reJennifer Bartlett Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Murat, For the sake of humoring me, next time you bring up a poet with a disability would you just say "they have" instead of "suffers from." Have you read Beauty is a Verb? Have you heard of it? BTW, are you friends with my good friend Fanny Howe? I saw a picture of you two on FB? On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:29 PM, reJennifer Bartlett wrote: > Jennifer Bartlett! > > Hi Murat, The list is dying and so is my energy. I am including some links > of my work that might explain better... this is a long and tedious topic > with many turns and ideas. I feel like you are not quite getting it. > > Without reliving the trauma of the Guest thing. Yes. My disagreement with > Guest was allowing himself to be referred as NOT VALID - i.e. put down on > his book cover, disempowered and put in the victim role for sake of sales. > I see it this way - if someone had used the word nigger, fag or bitch in a > blurb, we'd never hear the end of it. However, people are so attached to > their concept of disability that this kind of thing goes unnoticed and then > defended (as you are here). Guest has every right to call himself and > invalid and let Mary Kerr and others to it. I have every right to challenge > and question that decision. Question: Would you defend the poet is it where > the case of a blurb with a racial slur? > > I do not use the word SUFFERING FROM in terms of disability. Every > corporeal body is or will be full of various types of suffering. To say > someone "suffers from" cerebral palsy is degrading and makes a neurotical > difference into a disease - which it is not. > > Girl poet- I say that a big ironically. But I do consider myself a > feisty, sexy "girl" but my father is Lee Bartlett and, therefore, > genetically, I can talk circles around any man and probably drink them > under the table too. > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > >> re-Jennifer, >> >> I said "Larry Eigner is behind all these discussions" both because, in our >> time, he is the prominent poet with disabilities and also because I was >> aware you are writing a biography of him. >> >> I must say the reaction to your column about the word "retarded" you >> described is beyond the pale. I was not referring to that kind of >> atrocious >> behaviour. On the other hand, if Paul Guest is O.K. with being described >> as >> "invalid" by Ashbery, what right do you have to object to it? I am aware >> that "invalid" has the connotation "mot valid" in it. Is that your >> objection, the suggestion that disabilities make a person invalid? >> >> By the way, Tom Savage suffers from epilepsy. There is another (his name >> eludes me now) who suffers from Tourette Syndrome. >> >> Ciao, >> Murat >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:14 PM, David Seaman wrote: >> >>> Hell, it is not cool to abuse. Maybe some of us get really cute with our >>> snarky wit, but frankly, I am sick of it. >>> >>> Mellow David. Call me a wimp if you wish. >>> >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 09:42 PM, Mark wrote: >>> >>> That said, I believe what Jennifer is describing is abusive responses to >>> her position. Look, anyone is entitled to his or her opinion (expressed >>> appropriately, and with appropriate regard for others). Murat has a >> point >>> that if you know it will be seen as "controversial" (I myself don't >>> necessarily see why that would be the case, based on what Jennifer >> writes) >>> then you should expect, and be prepared for, some pushback. However, >> your >>> point, Jennifer, unless I misread you, is that some of the responses you >>> have received have gone *beyond* controversy toward abuse or borderline >>> abuse. And I find that stunning. I'm not sure what to tell you except, >> if >>> you can find the courage, don't let yourself be silenced. And if you >> need >>> supporters in these (did you say they were online?) forums, maybe some >> of >>> the members of this list would be willing to turn out electronically to >>> call abuse what it is. I'd be willing. Send me a message, including >> info on >>> how to create an account, if that happens again. Perhaps also provide >> more >>> details/context. >>> >>> Is anyone else in? It's really not cool to behave abusively toward the >>> differently abled, whether online or in person. Let's call that behavior >>> out. >>> >>> Mark DuCharme >>> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500 >>> From: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM >>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >>> ----------------------- >>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" >>> Poster: reJennifer Bartlett >>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------- >>> Murat (and others), >>> I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been >> attacked on >>> the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that she >>> quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. >>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato < >>> poet@francescolevato.com >>> >>>> wrote: >>>> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have >> an >>>> automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam >>>> attacks, but >>>> someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the >>>> board. So, >>>> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Francesco >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >> please >>>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE >> this >>>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend >> the >>>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all >> participants >>>> will be informed of such options. >>>> >>>> -- >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >> please >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The >> Chicago >>> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list >> go to >>> . >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >> please >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The >> Chicago >>> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list >> go to >>> . >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages >>> will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has >> started a >>> new Poetics List -- to join that list go to >> chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here should now be moved >> to >>> the new site. Archives will continue to be available at >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages >> will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a >> new Poetics List -- to join that list go to < >> http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here >> should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available >> at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. >> > > > > -- > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project > -- http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:47:59 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: lists, forums, etc. : In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 All things visual poetry, concrete poetry, asemic, lettrist, hypergraphic, zaum at SPIDERTANGLE https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/spidertangle/info On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Alan Sondheim wrote: > Hi - Can we have a list somewhere - before time runs out - of all the > possibilities for the Poetics Diaspora? > > We're running Wryting, at > http://clc.wvu.edu/projects/wryting_l > for creative work and announcements; > > there's another Poetics list that Amy is running? > and there's New-Poetics and the Poetics forum? > > - Please clarify; what worries me is redundancy or dispersion here - > > Thanks greatly, Alan > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages > will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a > new Poetics List -- to join that list go to chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here should now be moved to > the new site. Archives will continue to be available at > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. > ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:54:36 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: I 55 Subject: Query Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Does anyone know if First Intensity Press has a contact still? Allison Sent from my iPhone ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:42:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sharon Dolin Subject: Fwd: This Saturday Feb. 1: The Incredible Sestina Anthology Launch Reading! Comments: To: sdolin@earthlink.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm forwarding this announcement where I and many other sestina writers = will be reading. Should be fun! Tell your friends and students and = colleagues. Sharon Dolin > Hello everyone! > =20 > This Saturday we will have the launch reading for The Incredible = Sestina Anthology! Spread the word and please come if you can. There = will be lots of incredible sestinas read and sestina masters in the = house. Would love to see you there. > =20 > Here are the details: > Saturday, February 1 2014 | 3pm > New York Launch Reading of The Incredible Sestina Anthology! > With David Lehman, Sharon Mesmer, Iam Sparrow, Jade Sylvan, Victor = Infante, Marilyn Nelson, Patricia Carlin, Sharon Dolin, Scott Edward = Anderson, Michael Costello, Jason Schneiderman, Jeanne Marie Beaumont, = Jenna Cardinale, Brendan Lorber, Ned Rust, and others TBA! > =20 > Elizabeth Kray Hall > Poets House > Ten River Terrace (at Murray Street) > New York, NY 10282 > Subway: 1, 2, 3, A or C lines to Chambers Street Station; detailed = directions here > =20 > Made possible in part by the Poets House Literary Partners Program > Facebook event page > =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. 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Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:47:56 -0500 Reply-To: CW POETICS & PROSE Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "St. Thomasino" Subject: a noun sing e=?iso-8859-1?Q?=B7ratio_poetry_journal_18_=B7_?= 2014 Comments: To: POETICS@LISTS.NCC.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 a noun sing e=B7ratio poetry journal 18 =B7 2014 =20 Louis Armand Alan Halsey Vanessa Couto Johnson Lisa Donovan Emmalea Russo Geraldine Monk Carolyn Guinzio Raphael Rubinstein Anne Fitzgerald Ann Erickson John Sibley Williams Carey Scott Wilkerson Stephen Rock Anne Gorrick Kristy Bowen Gabrielle Campagnano Frances Saux W. 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Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:07:15 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: susan maurer Subject: Thanks so much and goodbye MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>>>>>> The Poetics List is no longer active. Messages will not posted after Jan. 31<<<<<<<<<< I was pleased to have a mss. requested by ungovernable press which resulted= in PERFECT DARK=2C available free online and to make the first public ann= ouncement of my JOSEPHINE BUTLER:A COLLECTION OF POETRY=2C Phoenix Press In= ternational=2C which is available print on demand all over the world. Susan= H. Maurer = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:22:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>>>>>>> The Poetics List is no longer active. Messages will not posted after Jan. 31<<<<<<<<<< Jennifer, I do not get what I am not getting. As I wrote, I did guess that your objection to "invalid" is the suggestion of "not valid" embedded in the word, when deconstructed. But why should Guest react to the word the way you do? Do you mean that he was upset by that use, but kept his mouth shut for monetary or other reasons. If so, you neither say or suggest that. The word "nigger" has a history of abuse, violence, oppression around it. In that sense, it has an objective aura of abuse around it. "Invalid" (accent on the first syllable) has no such history. Are you saying that that history is "buried," there, and you are criticizing Guest for his lack of consciousness of this fact? Ciao, Murat On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:29 PM, reJennifer Bartlett wrote: > Jennifer Bartlett! > > Hi Murat, The list is dying and so is my energy. I am including some links > of my work that might explain better... this is a long and tedious topic > with many turns and ideas. I feel like you are not quite getting it. > > Without reliving the trauma of the Guest thing. Yes. My disagreement with > Guest was allowing himself to be referred as NOT VALID - i.e. put down on > his book cover, disempowered and put in the victim role for sake of sales. > I see it this way - if someone had used the word nigger, fag or bitch in a > blurb, we'd never hear the end of it. However, people are so attached to > their concept of disability that this kind of thing goes unnoticed and then > defended (as you are here). Guest has every right to call himself and > invalid and let Mary Kerr and others to it. I have every right to challenge > and question that decision. Question: Would you defend the poet is it where > the case of a blurb with a racial slur? > > I do not use the word SUFFERING FROM in terms of disability. Every > corporeal body is or will be full of various types of suffering. To say > someone "suffers from" cerebral palsy is degrading and makes a neurotical > difference into a disease - which it is not. > > Girl poet- I say that a big ironically. But I do consider myself a > feisty, sexy "girl" but my father is Lee Bartlett and, therefore, > genetically, I can talk circles around any man and probably drink them > under the table too. > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat > wrote: > >> re-Jennifer, >> >> I said "Larry Eigner is behind all these discussions" both because, in > our >> time, he is the prominent poet with disabilities and also because I was >> aware you are writing a biography of him. >> >> I must say the reaction to your column about the word "retarded" you >> described is beyond the pale. I was not referring to that kind of > atrocious >> behaviour. On the other hand, if Paul Guest is O.K. with being described > as >> "invalid" by Ashbery, what right do you have to object to it? I am aware >> that "invalid" has the connotation "mot valid" in it. Is that your >> objection, the suggestion that disabilities make a person invalid? >> >> By the way, Tom Savage suffers from epilepsy. There is another (his name >> eludes me now) who suffers from Tourette Syndrome. >> >> Ciao, >> Murat >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:14 PM, David Seaman > wrote: >> >>> Hell, it is not cool to abuse. Maybe some of us get really cute with > our >>> snarky wit, but frankly, I am sick of it. >>> >>> Mellow David. Call me a wimp if you wish. >>> >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 09:42 PM, Mark wrote: >>> >>> That said, I believe what Jennifer is describing is abusive responses > to >>> her position. Look, anyone is entitled to his or her opinion (expressed >>> appropriately, and with appropriate regard for others). Murat has a > point >>> that if you know it will be seen as "controversial" (I myself don't >>> necessarily see why that would be the case, based on what Jennifer >> writes) >>> then you should expect, and be prepared for, some pushback. However, > your >>> point, Jennifer, unless I misread you, is that some of the responses > you >>> have received have gone *beyond* controversy toward abuse or borderline >>> abuse. And I find that stunning. I'm not sure what to tell you except, > if >>> you can find the courage, don't let yourself be silenced. And if you > need >>> supporters in these (did you say they were online?) forums, maybe some > of >>> the members of this list would be willing to turn out electronically to >>> call abuse what it is. I'd be willing. Send me a message, including > info >> on >>> how to create an account, if that happens again. Perhaps also provide >> more >>> details/context. >>> >>> Is anyone else in? It's really not cool to behave abusively toward the >>> differently abled, whether online or in person. Let's call that > behavior >>> out. >>> >>> Mark DuCharme >>> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500 >>> From: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM >>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >>> ----------------------- >>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" >>> Poster: reJennifer Bartlett >>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------- >>> Murat (and others), >>> I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been > attacked >> on >>> the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that > she >>> quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. >>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato < >>> poet@francescolevato.com >>> >>>> wrote: >>>> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I have > an >>>> automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam >>>> attacks, but >>>> someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the >>>> board. So, >>>> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Francesco >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >> please >>>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE > this >>>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend > the >>>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all > participants >>>> will be informed of such options. >>>> >>>> -- >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The >> Chicago >>> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list > go >> to >>> . >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; > please >>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The >> Chicago >>> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list > go >> to >>> . >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages >>> will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has >> started a >>> new Poetics List -- to join that list go to >> chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here should now be moved >> to >>> the new site. Archives will continue to be available at >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages >> will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has > started a >> new Poetics List -- to join that list go to < >> http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here >> should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be > available >> at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. >> > > > > -- > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages > will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a > new Poetics List -- to join that list go to < > http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here > should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available > at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. > ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:45:11 -0600 Reply-To: CW POETICS & PROSE Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: george j farrah Subject: My full length book of poems forthcoming--"The Low Pouring Stars"-- Ravenna Press Comments: To: POETICS@LISTS.NCC.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>>>>>> The Poetics List is no longer active. Messages will not posted after Jan. 31<<<<<<<<<< My full length book of poems forthcoming, "*The Low Pouring Stars"*, Ravenna Press-- in early to mid February-- 2014 Cheers, George ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:29:41 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Query In-Reply-To: <8B068A15-D974-4C01-B997-B5A768D5CBF3@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>>>>>>> The Poetics List is no longer active. Messages will not posted after Jan. 31<<<<<<<<<< The contact must be still through Lee Chapman. Murat On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 1:54 PM, I 55 wrote: > Does anyone know if First Intensity Press has a contact still? > > Allison > > Sent from my iPhone > > ================================== > The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages > will be posted after that date. 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Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:57:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>>>>>>> The Poetics List is no longer active. Messages will not posted after Jan. 31<<<<<<<<<< Jennifer, That was a picture taken of us at The Poetry Project during a break. We were discussing Charles Olson's prose. I was saying with its odd colloquial inversions, particularly in a work like *The Mayan Letters*, Olson's prose had a greater impact on me than his poetry. If I remember correctly, she seemed to agree with me. Come to think of it, "disability" has the suggestion of being "un-able" embedded in it. But you do not object to it the way you object to "invalid." What is the difference? As your poem suggests, being disabled may sharpen one's insight as a poet into the insanities of the "valid" world. In the hands of a poet, a "weakness" may be transformed into strength. Dickinson say, "I play at riches...." In "Questions of Accent" I make a similar argument. Tiresias's blindness goes hand in hand with his prophesy. But that does not mean these people do not suffer from their disabilities. I will keep using '"suffer from disabilities." Ciao, Murat On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > Jennifer, > > I do not get what I am not getting. As I wrote, I did guess that your > objection to "invalid" is the suggestion of "not valid" embedded in the > word, when deconstructed. But why should Guest react to the word the way > you do? Do you mean that he was upset by that use, but kept his mouth shut > for monetary or other reasons. If so, you neither say or suggest that. > > The word "nigger" has a history of abuse, violence, oppression around it. > In that sense, it has an objective aura of abuse around it. "Invalid" > (accent on the first syllable) has no such history. Are you saying that > that history is "buried," there, and you are criticizing Guest for his lack > of consciousness of this fact? > > Ciao, > > Murat > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:29 PM, reJennifer Bartlett < > rejennifer@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Jennifer Bartlett! >> >> Hi Murat, The list is dying and so is my energy. I am including some links >> of my work that might explain better... this is a long and tedious topic >> with many turns and ideas. I feel like you are not quite getting it. >> >> Without reliving the trauma of the Guest thing. Yes. My disagreement with >> Guest was allowing himself to be referred as NOT VALID - i.e. put down on >> his book cover, disempowered and put in the victim role for sake of sales. >> I see it this way - if someone had used the word nigger, fag or bitch in a >> blurb, we'd never hear the end of it. However, people are so attached to >> their concept of disability that this kind of thing goes unnoticed and >> then >> defended (as you are here). Guest has every right to call himself and >> invalid and let Mary Kerr and others to it. I have every right to >> challenge >> and question that decision. Question: Would you defend the poet is it >> where >> the case of a blurb with a racial slur? >> >> I do not use the word SUFFERING FROM in terms of disability. Every >> corporeal body is or will be full of various types of suffering. To say >> someone "suffers from" cerebral palsy is degrading and makes a neurotical >> difference into a disease - which it is not. >> >> Girl poet- I say that a big ironically. But I do consider myself a >> feisty, sexy "girl" but my father is Lee Bartlett and, therefore, >> genetically, I can talk circles around any man and probably drink them >> under the table too. >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat >> wrote: >> >>> re-Jennifer, >>> >>> I said "Larry Eigner is behind all these discussions" both because, in >> our >>> time, he is the prominent poet with disabilities and also because I was >>> aware you are writing a biography of him. >>> >>> I must say the reaction to your column about the word "retarded" you >>> described is beyond the pale. I was not referring to that kind of >> atrocious >>> behaviour. On the other hand, if Paul Guest is O.K. with being >> described as >>> "invalid" by Ashbery, what right do you have to object to it? I am aware >>> that "invalid" has the connotation "mot valid" in it. Is that your >>> objection, the suggestion that disabilities make a person invalid? >>> >>> By the way, Tom Savage suffers from epilepsy. There is another (his name >>> eludes me now) who suffers from Tourette Syndrome. >>> >>> Ciao, >>> Murat >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:14 PM, David Seaman >> wrote: >>> >>>> Hell, it is not cool to abuse. Maybe some of us get really cute with >> our >>>> snarky wit, but frankly, I am sick of it. >>>> >>>> Mellow David. Call me a wimp if you wish. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 09:42 PM, Mark wrote: >>>> >>>> That said, I believe what Jennifer is describing is abusive responses >> to >>>> her position. Look, anyone is entitled to his or her opinion >> (expressed >>>> appropriately, and with appropriate regard for others). Murat has a >> point >>>> that if you know it will be seen as "controversial" (I myself don't >>>> necessarily see why that would be the case, based on what Jennifer >>> writes) >>>> then you should expect, and be prepared for, some pushback. However, >> your >>>> point, Jennifer, unless I misread you, is that some of the responses >> you >>>> have received have gone *beyond* controversy toward abuse or >> borderline >>>> abuse. And I find that stunning. I'm not sure what to tell you >> except, if >>>> you can find the courage, don't let yourself be silenced. And if you >> need >>>> supporters in these (did you say they were online?) forums, maybe >> some of >>>> the members of this list would be willing to turn out electronically >> to >>>> call abuse what it is. I'd be willing. Send me a message, including >> info >>> on >>>> how to create an account, if that happens again. Perhaps also provide >>> more >>>> details/context. >>>> >>>> Is anyone else in? It's really not cool to behave abusively toward the >>>> differently abled, whether online or in person. Let's call that >> behavior >>>> out. >>>> >>>> Mark DuCharme >>>> >>>> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:08:21 -0500 >>>> From: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM >>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> ---------------------- Information from the mail header >>>> ----------------------- >>>> Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" >>>> Poster: reJennifer Bartlett >>>> Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> ------------------- >>>> Murat (and others), >>>> I'm just curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been >> attacked >>> on >>>> the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that >> she >>>> quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability. >>>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato < >>>> poet@francescolevato.com >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> My main reason for the moderation is to stop spam from trolls. I >> have an >>>>> automated system in place, on the new list, to stop automated spam >>>>> attacks, but >>>>> someone could still register for real, than send spam messages to the >>>>> board. So, >>>>> hopefully moderation will help on that end. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Francesco >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >>> please >>>>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>>>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE >> this >>>>> exception: Information regarding discussion groups that might extend >> the >>>>> work of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all >> participants >>>>> will be informed of such options. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >> please >>>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The >>> Chicago >>>> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list >> go >>> to >>>> . >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List will cease operations by the end of January 2014; >> please >>>> do not post messages after that time. Archives will continue to be >>>> available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The >>> Chicago >>>> School of Poetics has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list >> go >>> to >>>> . >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no >> messages >>>> will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has >>> started a >>>> new Poetics List -- to join that list go to >>> chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here should now be >> moved >>> to >>>> the new site. Archives will continue to be available at >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. >>>> >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages >>> will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has >> started a >>> new Poetics List -- to join that list go to < >>> http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here >>> should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be >> available >>> at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages >> will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a >> new Poetics List -- to join that list go to < >> http://poeticslist.chicagoschoolofpoetics.com/>. Threads ongoing here >> should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available >> at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. >> > > ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. 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Messages will not posted after Jan. 31<<<<<<<<<< First Intensity Press PO Box 665 Lawrence=2C KS 66044 . > Date: Tue=2C 28 Jan 2014 12:54:36 -0600 > From: emailahc1@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Query > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > =20 > Does anyone know if First Intensity Press has a contact still? > =20 > Allison > =20 > Sent from my iPhone > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31=2C 2014=3B no messag= es will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has starte= d a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new = site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poet= ics/poeticslist.html. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:54:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1049298666-688064996-1390949645=:2860" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1049298666-688064996-1390949645=:2860 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT >>>>>>>>> The Poetics List is no longer active. Messages will not posted after Jan. 31<<<<<<<<<< New and On View: Mudlark Flash No. 84 (2014) The Harvest from a Field on Fire Five Poems by Rachel Kubie These poems stem from the Moral Monday protests in North Carolina this past summer. Rachel Kubie is one of more than 940 arrestees who engaged in civil disobedience at the legislative building in Raleigh. * How to get Arrested a preacher calls from the fields behind the senate self-portrait with HB 589 In the Wild how to keep a country Rachel Kubie is a public reference librarian in Charlotte, NC. She attended the Writing Seminars at Johns Hopkins "and had the good luck to study under Allen Grossman there." She also has the MLS from Catholic University in DC. Her work has appeared in Drunken Boat, Oyster Boy Review, Rattapallax, Rhino, Sou'wester, and Potomac Review among other magazines, and in the anthologies Imperial Messages: 100 Modern Parables (2nd ed.) and Final Harvest: Jewish Writing from St. Louis. The five poems in The Harvest from a Field on Fire took shape as drafts in the Tupelo Press online 30/30 project (during which poets attempt to post 30 drafts in 30 days). Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark * House Bill 589, with massive changes to voting laws, was rushed through the North Carolina legislature with almost no public notice in the late summer of 2013. It was introduced on the heels of the Shelby County v. Holder Supreme Court case which struck down part of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and it enacts voting practices that the VRA would not have allowed, especially in Southern states and counties where voter repression and intimidation had long been common practice from the reconstruction to the civil rights movement. Among many changes, the new law allows vigilante poll watchers, and the direct challenging of voters at the polls, requires strict forms of identification beyond a voter registration card, shortens early voting, halts programs to help older teens register for the first time, and places other restrictions on qualifications and access to voting (including not allowing polls to remain open for long lines during elections). The new law is being challenged by a number of groups, including the NAACP, the League of Women Voters, and now the US Department of Justice. It introduces the most severe restrictions on voting in the country. ================================== The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. --1049298666-688064996-1390949645=:2860-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 01:10:41 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Seaman Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for sharing this (and yourself) with me. We all n= >>>>>>>>> The Poetics List is no longer active. Messages will not posted after Jan. 31<<<<<<<<<< Jennifer,=A0=0A=0AThanks for sharing this (and yourself) with me. We all n= eed to keep learning to be better people.=A0=0A=0ADavid=A0=0A=0AOn Jan 28,= 2014, at 11:18 AM, reJennifer Bartlett wrote:=0A=0A= Thanks David. This is me:=0Ahttp://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/04/c= omplaint-box-its-not-as-bad-as-it-looks/?_php=3Dtrue&_type=3Dblogs&_r=3D0=0A= =0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DALoSV3cafS8=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Jan 27, 20= 14 at 11:07 PM, David Seaman wrote:=0A=0AI am stunned = by the idea that someone would attack a writer for any other=0Areason than= intelligent debate about issues. Jennifer, whoever you are, you=0Adeserve= respect. Good people support you. I have not seen your poetry; that=0Ais = not the issue. You are a person. Be yourself. Call on us to stand up to=0A= anyone who demeans you.=0ADavid=0AOn Jan 27, 2014, at 06:49 PM, reJennifer= Bartlett =0Awrote:=0AMurat,=0AHow is "Larry Eigner = behind all these discussions?"=0AJennifer Bartlett=0AOn Mon, Jan 27, 2014 = at 11:48 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote:=0AMark,=0AOf c= ourse, Larry Eigner is behind all these discussions.=0AI am aware there is= a difference between disagreement and abuse, but I=0Adon't think that dis= tinction in the periphery is always that clear. A=0Aresponse that has an e= motional edge to it (why should there not be if the=0Aissues are important= ), may possibly seen by the other party as abusive=0Awhile it may not be s= o. For instance, is an ironic or sarcastic response=0Aabusive? That is why= I began this discussion by asking that question.=0AMurat=0AOn Sun, Jan 26= , 2014 at 9:42 PM, Mark wrote:=0AThat said, I b= elieve what Jennifer is describing is abusive responses to=0Aher position.= Look, anyone is entitled to his or her opinion (expressed=0Aappropriately= , and with appropriate regard for others). Murat has a=0Apoint=0Athat if y= ou know it will be seen as "controversial" (I myself don't=0Anecessarily s= ee why that would be the case, based on what Jennifer=0Awrites)=0Athen you= should expect, and be prepared for, some pushback. However,=0Ayour=0Apoin= t, Jennifer, unless I misread you, is that some of the responses you=0Ahav= e received have gone *beyond* controversy toward abuse or borderline=0Aabu= se. And I find that stunning. I'm not sure what to tell you except,=0Aif=0A= you can find the courage, don't let yourself be silenced. And if you=0Anee= d=0Asupporters in these (did you say they were online?) forums, maybe some= of=0Athe members of this list would be willing to turn out electronically= to=0Acall abuse what it is. I'd be willing. Send me a message, including=0A= info=0Aon how to create an account, if that happens again. Perhaps also pr= ovide=0Amore details/context.=0AIs anyone else in? It's really not cool to= behave abusively toward the=0Adifferently abled, whether online or in per= son. Let's call that behavior=0Aout.=0AMark DuCharme=0A> Date: Sun, 26 Jan= 2014 14:08:21 -0500=0A> From: rejennifer@GMAIL.COM=0A> Subject: Re: Poeti= cs List (1993-2014)=0A> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A>=0A> ---------= ------------- Information from the mail header=0A-----------------------=0A= > Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Pos= ter: reJennifer Bartlett =0A> Subject: Re: Poetics L= ist (1993-2014)=0A>=0A----------------------------------------------------= --------=0A-------------------=0A>=0A> Murat (and others),=0A>=0A> I'm jus= t curious if you feel your ideas and self have ever been=0Aattacked=0Aon=0A= > the internet to this degree? I even had a poet write to tell me that=0As= he=0A> quit the WomPo list because of my beliefs of disability.=0A>=0A>=0A= > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Levato <=0Apoet@francescolev= ato.com=0A> > wrote:=0A>=0A> > My main reason for the moderation is to sto= p spam from trolls. I have=0Aan=0A> > automated system in place, on the ne= w list, to stop automated spam=0A> > attacks, but=0A> > someone could stil= l register for real, than send spam messages to the=0A> > board. So,=0A> >= hopefully moderation will help on that end.=0A> >=0A> > Best,=0A> > Franc= esco=0A> >=0A> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> > The Poetics List will = cease operations by the end of January 2014;=0Aplease=0A> > do not post me= ssages after that time. Archives will continue to be=0A> > available at ht= tp://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. NOTE=0Athis=0A> > exception= : Information regarding discussion groups that might extend=0Athe=0A> > wo= rk of the Poetics List will be posted after Feb. 1 so all=0Aparticipants=0A= >> will be informed of such options.=0A> >=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> --=0A> http://= www.kickstarter.com/projects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project=0A>=0A> =3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> The Poetics List will cease operations by the= end of January 2014;=0Aplease do not post messages after that time. Archi= ves will continue to be=0Aavailable at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poet= icslist.html. The=0AChicago=0ASchool of Poetics has started a new Poetics = List -- to join that list go=0Ato=0A.=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List will cease o= perations by the end of January 2014; please=0Ado not post messages after = that time. Archives will continue to be=0Aavailable at http://epc.buffalo.= edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The=0AChicago=0ASchool of Poetics has starte= d a new Poetics List -- to join that list go=0Ato=0A.=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics Li= st will cease operations by the end of January 2014; please=0Ado not post = messages after that time. Archives will continue to be=0Aavailable at http= ://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. The Chicago=0ASchool of Poeti= cs has started a new Poetics List -- to join that list go to=0A.=0A--=0Ahttp://www.kickstarter.com/p= rojects/894916256/the-larry-eigner-project=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A= The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages=0A= will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started = a=0Anew Poetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to=0At= he new site. Archives will continue to be available at=0Ahttp://epc.buffal= o.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html.=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics= List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages=0Awill be pos= ted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a=0Anew Poe= tics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to=0Athe new site= . Archives will continue to be available at=0Ahttp://epc.buffalo.edu/poeti= cs/poeticslist.html.=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0Ahttp://www.kickstarter.com/projects/= 894916256/the-larry-eigner-project=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe P= oetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be= posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started a new P= oetics List -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. A= rchives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/po= eticslist.html.=0A= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 19:09:45 -0800 Reply-To: Mark Prejsnar Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Prejsnar Subject: Re: Poetics List (1993-2014) In-Reply-To: <1390491171.52e136234c886@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As Charles knows, i've often quoted him, taking inspiration fro= >>>>>>>>> The Poetics List is no longer active. Messages will not posted after Jan. 31<<<<<<<<<< =0A=0A=0AAs Charles knows, i've often quoted him, =A0taking inspiration fro= m his amazing ability to=A0=0Aintertwine theory & practice, =A0(and, on a d= ifferent level) poetry & politics....=0A=0Aas, of course:=0A=0A"Intellectua= l property, too, is theft..."=0A=0Athe list of course has been a great comm= ons, sharing as the antithesis of theft =A0(very much the=0Aspiritual cente= r of the poetic enterprise)=0A=0Aone hopes it carries on, in some new form= =0Aon some new platform ...=0A=0A--mark prejsnar=0A=0A=0A__________________= ______________=0A From: Charles Bernstein =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU =0ASent: Thursday, January 23, 2014= 10:32 AM=0ASubject: Poetics List (1993-2014)=0A =0A=0AI started the Poetic= s List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo and=0Aco-founded the Poet= ics Program and a little while before the founding of the=0AElectronic Poet= ry Center. At that time the this list was a radically new=0Aformat. But it = has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is not longer=0Aviable for= me to continue to sponsor the list.=0A=0AI want to thanks the list moderat= ors, a role first introduced in 1999: Joel=0AKuszai, Chris Alexander, Lori = Emerson, and our longest serving moderator Amy=0AKing. I am grateful to the= m for the work they have done.=0A=0AWhile I have not been active on the lis= t in recent years, I do follow the posts.=0AAnd over the years the list has= been great company and the origin of friendships=0Afor many of us and some= great conversations.=0A=0AMore information on the list at=0Ahttp://epc.buf= falo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html=0A=0AThe archives should remain in place.= =0A=0ACharles Bernstein=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics Lis= t is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub in= fo: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List will cease operations on January 31, 2014; no messages will be posted after that date. The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 02:15:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: Advertise in Welcome to Boog City 7.5 Festival Program Issue Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Poetics List is no longer active. Email delivery has been discontinued. Web archives will remain. Please forward ------------------ Advertise in Boog City 87 Welcome to Boog City 7.5 Festival Program Issue The program for our the festival taking place in mid-February, =20 containing images and bios for the participants, as well as work on =20 and by them in our music, poetry, printed matter, and small press =20 sections. And our usual swell Boog City content=97 art * film * libraries Ads as low as $45 For our full rate card, please visit: http://boogcity.com/adrates.pdf Deadlines Wed. Feb. 5-Submit ad and make PayPal payment Sat. Feb. 8-Distribute 2,000 copies of physical issue. Issue PDF uploaded and distributed electronically from Boog to over =20 4,500 people. Email editor@boogcity.com or call 212-842-BOOG (2664) for more =20 information. as ever, David P.S. Donations are also more than welcome. -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W. 28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) Twitter: @boogcity= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:01:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charity Coleman Subject: Segue! FEB 1st! CHRIS NEALON & CATHERINE WAGNER! Comments: To: Corina Copp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Poetics List is no longer active. Email delivery has been discontinued. Web archives will remain. Charity Coleman and Corina Copp are inaugurating the new Segue series this weekend with... *CATHERINE WAGNER & CHRIS NEALON* *Saturday, 1 February 2014* *4:30 pm @ Zinc Bar * *(82 West 3rd Street)* *$5 admission ---> the readers* *Chris Nealon* is the author of two books of literary criticism, *Foundlings: Lesbian and Gay Historical Emotion before Stonewall* and *The Matter of Capital: Poetry and Crisis in The American Century.* Books of poems include*The Joyous Age* and *Plummet* and a recent chapbook, *The Dial.* He teaches at Johns Hopkins University and lives in Washington, D.C. *Catherine Wagner*'s latest book is* Nervous Device* from City Lights; other books include *My New Job, Macular Hole* and *Miss America* from Fence. She lives in Oxford, Ohio. +++ UP NEXT: JOCELYN SPAAR & MASHA TUPITSYN (current & upcoming schedule available here) PennSound Segue Archive: listen here ================================== The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:08:23 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: End of the List ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Poetics List is no longer active. Email delivery has been discontinued. Web archives will remain. _____________________________________ My sincere thanks to Charles Bernstein and Amy King for the long-lived process of the POETICS e-list. For people who would like to explore the possibilities of other e-lists devoted to the innovative or post-modern in creative writing, I would recommend the following ... 1.) WRYTING-L e-list 2.) Arc.Hive e-list 3.) FLUXUS [fluxlist] e-list 4.) New Poetry e-list 5.) POETICS at CUNY [moderated by Ammiel Alcalay] 6.) Poetry_etc. e-list 7.) SPECTRE e-list [for new media in Deep Europe] 8.) SPIDERTANGLE e-list 9.) British & Irish poets [Google the name of the list or its archive to find subscription information.] As the Spaniards say ... Adelante !!! S=E9amas Cain http://seamascain-writernetwork.org _____________________________________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:24:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Sarai Subject: Hello, I Must Be Going Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" The Poetics List is no longer active. Email delivery has been discontinued. Web archives will remain. Many thanks to Charles for this listserv, which proved an education in a poetics and opportunity to meet new-to-me artists! Many thanks to all moderators, especially Amy (the only moderator during my stint here)! No greater honor than a word from Groucho: Hello, I must be going. I cannot stay, I came to say I must be going. I'm glad I came but just the same I must be going. (It's all in the delivery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D_YrNQaXdOxU) See ya elsewhere. Sarah=20 my3000lovingarms.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 17:58:28 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barbara Beck Subject: an announcement to post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Poetics List is no longer active. Email delivery has been discontinued. Web archives will remain. *Upstairs at Duroc*, a literary journal published in Paris, France, seeks submissions for its Issue #16. We publish English language poetry, fiction, creative nonfiction & translations. We especially welcome experimental forms, cross-genre work, prose poems & flash fiction, as well as standalone excerpts from longer works. Previously unpublished material only! / Submit up to 5 poems, or 5 flash fiction pieces, or 2 longer prose pieces not exceeding 2000 words each. Attach as a single Word file, one poem per page. Include cover sheet with name, address, phone number, email address, word count for prose, & a short Bio. / We also seek visual art pieces: etchings, drawings, black & white photographs. Also a few color pieces for the cover. Send in jpeg format. / Mail submissions to upstairsatduroc@wice-paris.org. / For complete guidelines & examples of published work, see our Website: upstairsatduroc.org / Deadline: February 28, 2014. Thanks for posting, Barbara Beck, editor of Upstairs at Duroc ================================== The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 22:16:02 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ariella Ruth Goldberg Subject: Next Week! Allen Ginsberg Visiting Fellow Lisa Robertson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Poetics List is no longer active. Email delivery has been discontinued. Web archives will remain. The Jack Kerouac School is pleased to announce our 2013-2014 Allen Ginsberg= Visiting Fellow, Lisa Robertson. We hope you can make it to these exciting= events! Reading: Friday, February 7 at 7:30 PM Lecture: Thinking Space: Kepler's Ellipse, Warburg's Atlas: Monday, Februar= y 10 at 7:30 PM Where: Performing Arts Center, 2130 Arapahoe Ave., Boulder, CO 80302 Cost: Free Contact: agoldberg@naropa.edu; 303-546-3581 Lisa Robertson's visit will begin on Friday, February 7 with a reading. A b= ook signing will follow Robertson's reading, during which her limited editi= on signed broadside and books will be for sale. The broadsides will be sold= for $10 each, and all sales for the broadsides will be cash only. The foll= owing Monday, Robertson's events will continue with a lecture titled Thinki= ng Space: Kepler's Ellipse, Warburg's Atlas. Both events are free and open = to public. Lisa Robertson is a Canadian poet and essayist who now lives in the Vienne = region of France, in a hamlet with a population of four humans and three do= gs. During her time in this place she has published two books; Nilling, a b= ook of prose essays, and Revolution: A Reader, edited and annotated in coll= aboration with Matthew Stadler. Other recent collaborations have been a sou= nd based performance project with the poet Stacy Doris, as The Perfume Reco= rdist, and text/image installation work, with the artist Kathy Slade. Coach= House Books will publish her next book, a long poem called Cinema of the P= resent. She is currently a visiting professor at Princeton University. The Allen Ginsberg Visiting Fellowship is distinguished from other visiting= programs because of its intensive nature. The Fellow's visit includes a re= ading, instruction, and direct contact with students, who are given access = to the writer's expertise, including a weekend practicum. Community-wide ev= ents are incorporated into the Fellow's stay, including a reading, a lectur= e relating to the development of poetry/prose in the 20th and 21st centurie= s, and a book signing. The Allen Ginsberg Visiting Fellowship is made possi= ble by the generous support of the Committee on Poetry, founded by the late= Allen Ginsberg. Naropa University welcomes participants with disabilities. Please contact A= riella Ruth at 303-546-3581 or agoldberg@naropa.edu to inquire about accessibility and discuss disability accommodations = needed to participate fully in this event. Ariella Ruth, MFA Graduate Academic Advisor Program Assistant Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics Naropa University agoldberg@naropa.edu 303-546-3581 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 22:20:26 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rosmarie Waldrop Subject: new from Burning Deck Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) The Poetics List is no longer active. Email delivery has been discontinued. Web archives will remain. FARHAD SHOWGHI END OF THE CITY MAP translated from the German by Rosmarie Waldrop Prose poems, 64 pp, offset, smyth-sewn ISBN13 978-1-936194-16-2 Original paperback $14 Publication date: January 15, 2014 =20 Showghi=92s prose poems leave the map behind and take us into a place = where apparently simple everyday scenes turn, by a little=20 stretch of language, into the unpredictable und strange. As Farhad Shoghi has said, he starts working from a word that he = respects for its uncertainty and aims for the exact spot (in landscape or thought) where the word can come back to = itself, beyond fixed meaning or purpose. =93Cool beauty on fire=94=97Angelika Overath, NEUE Z=DCRCHER ZEITUNG =93A most stimulating labyrinth of language and association, a maze = whose countless corners hold touching surprises, unexpected=20 adventures.=94=97SAND AM MEER=20 Farhad Showghi was born in Prague in 1961 and grew up in Germany and = Iran. He now lives as a psychiatrist in Hamburg. Beside ENDE DES STADPLANS, our present book, he = has published DIE WALNUSSMASKE, DURCH DIE ICH MICH TR=C4UMEND ASS [The walnut mask I ate = through in a dream], 1998, and DIE GROSSE=20 ENFERNUNG [The great distance], 2008. He has translated Iranian poetry = into German. Copies are available at: www.spdbooks.org and www.burningdeck.com =20 =20= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 21:31:12 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: allison hedge coke Subject: 1993-1999 Native Poetry Bibliography (Final Cusp before 21st C Turn) Comments: To: Charles Bernstein MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Poetics List is no longer active. Email delivery has been discontinued. Web archives will remain. Turn of the Century Poetry Volumes, Final Cusp 1993-1999: Full List by Native American/American Indian/Indigenous/Tribal heritage poets of the U.S. and U.S. occupied Pacific/Hawaii as compiled by the Indigenous-Aboriginal American Writers Caucus of AWP. This list is vetted and is not intended for general public amendments. Please cite the AWP Indigenous-Aboriginal American Writers Caucus when referring to this bibliography. (published and in-press) Sherwin Bitsui, 2013 Chair; Jennifer Foerster, 2014 Event Organizer; Allison Adelle Hedge Coke, Founding Organizer; Travis Hedge Coke, Assistant; Brandy N=C4=81lani McDougall, Caucus Member, 2010; Craig Santos Perez, 2014 Chair. (Includes mixed genre books and/or significant chapbook publications, notedwithin listings) (Contains new texts, authored/edited, excludes reprints with exception of newly selected/collected editions, excludes vanity/closed collective/self-publishing platforms and/or platforms whereas poet is publisher, has interest) 1. Ai. Greed. W. W. Norton & Company, 1994 2. Alexie, Sherman. First Indian on the Moon, Hanging Loose Press, 1993 3. Alexie, Sherman. Old Shirts and New Skins, Hanging Loose Press, 1993 4. Alexie, Sherman. Water Flowing Home (Special Edition), Limberlost Press, 1995, Hardback 5. Alexie, Sherman. The Summer of Black Widows, Hanging Loose Press, 1996 6. Alexie, Sherman. The Man Who Loves Salmon (Special Edition), Limberlost Press, 1998, Hardback 7. Alexie, Sherman. The Man Who Loves Salmon (Special Edition), Limberlost Press, 1998, Paperback 8. Andrezze, Anita. At the Helm of Twilight. Broken Moon Press, 1992 9. Andrezze, Anita. The Humming of Stars and Bees and Waves (chapbook). Making Waves Press, 1998 10. Apache, Chris. 51. Defeat (chapbook). Naropa Institute. 1993 11. Baca, Jimmy Santiago. What=E2=80=99s Happening (chapbook). Curbstone Pr= ess, 1995 12. Baca, Jimmy Santiago. Set This Book on Fire! Cedar Hills Press, 1999 13. Ballard, Charles. Winter Count Poems. Greenfield Review, 1997 14. Belin, Esther. From the Belly of My Beauty. University of Arizona Press/ Sun Tracks Series, 1999 15. Birchfield, D. L. and Smelcer, John E. (Edited) Durable Breath. Salmon Run Publishing Company, 1994 16. Bird, Gloria. Full Moon on the Reservation. Greenfield Review, 1993 17. Blaeser, Kimberly. Trailing You. Greenfield Review, 1994 18. Barnes, Jim. Paris: Poems. University of Illinois Press, 1997 19. Bruchac, Joseph. Thirteen Moons on Turtle=E2=80=99s Back (Preschool-3).= Puffin, 1997 20. Cardiff, Gladys. A Bare Unpainted Table. The New Issues Press Poetry Series. 1999 21. Cook-Lynn, Elizabeth. I Remember the Fallen Trees: New and Selected Poems. University of Washington Press, 1998 22. Crystos. Dream On. Pr Gang Pub, 1991 23. Crystos. In Her I Am. Pr Gang Pub, 1993 24. Crystos. Fire Power. Pr Gang Pub, 1995 25. Crystos. Fugitive Colors. Cleveland State University Poetry Center, 199= 5 26. Erdrich, Heid. Fishing for Myth. New Rivers Press, 1997 27. Francisco, Nia. Blue Horses for Navajo Women. Greenfield Review Press, 1994 28. Glancy, Diane. Edited. Visit Teepee Town Coffee House Press, 1999 29. Gould, Janice. Earthquake Poems. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 1996, Hardcover 30. Gould, Janice. Earthquake Poems. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 1996, Paperback 31. Gree, Jennifer E. What I Keep. Greenfield Review, 1999 32. Harjo, Joy. The Woman Who Fell From the Sky. W. W. Norton & Company, 1996 also edited: 33. Harjo, Joy. Reinventing the Enemy=E2=80=99s Language (mixed-genre). W. = W. Norton and Company, 1997, Hardcover 34. Harjo, Joy. Reinventing the Enemy=E2=80=99s Language (mixed-genre). W. = W. Norton and Company, 1997, Paperback 35. Hedge Coke, Allison Adelle. The Year of the Rat (chapbook). Naropa Institute, 1993 36. Hedge Coke, Allison Adelle. Dog Road Woman. 1997 37. Hensen, Lance. Another Distance. Point Riders Press. 1994 38. Hensen, Lance. Strong Heart Song: Lines from a Revolutionary Text. West End Press, 1997 39. Hensen, Lance. Songs in the Enemy=E2=80=99s Language (co-written). Big Mountain, Aktionsgruppe, 1999 40. Hill, Roberta. Philadelphia Flowers. Holy Cow! Press, 1996. 41. Hill, Roberta. Star Quilt: Poems, Holy Cow! Press, 1999 42. Hogan, Linda. A Book of Medicines. Coffee House Press, 1993 43. Kenny, Maurice. Tekonwatonti: Molly Brant: Poems of War (1735-1795 : Poems of War). White Pine Press, 1995 44. Louis, Adrian. Blood Thirsty Savages. Time Being Books, 1994, Hardcover 45. Louis, Adrian. Blood Thirsty Savages. Time Being Books, 1994, Paperback 46. Louis, Adrian. Vortex of Indian Fevers. TriQuarterly, 1995, Paperback 47. Louis, Adrian. Vortex of Indian Fevers. TriQuarterly, 1996, Hardcover 48. Louis, Adrian. Ceremonies of the Damned: Poems. Western Literature Series, 1997 49. Midge, Tiffany. Outlaws, Renegades, and Saints: Diary of a Mixed-Up Half Breed. Greenfield Review Press, 1996 50. Miranda, Deborah. Indian Cartography. Greenfield Review, 1999 51. Niatum, Duane. Drawings of the Song Animals: New and Selected Poems.Holy Cow!Press, 1996, Hardcover 52. Niatum, Duane. Drawings of the Song Animals: New and Selected Poems. Holy Cow!Press, 1996, Paperback 53. Ortiz, Simon J. After and Before the Lightning. University of Arizona Press, Sun Tracks Series, 1994 54. Paschen, Elise. Infidelities. Storyline Press, 1996 55. Revard, Carter. An Eagle Nation. University of Arizona Press, Sun Tracks Series, 1993 56. Rose, Wendy. Going to War with All My Relations. Firebrand Books, 1993 57. Rose, Wendy. Bone Dance: New and Selected Poems. University of Arizona Press, Sun Tracks Series, 1994 58. Rose, Wendy. Now Poof She is Gone. Firebrand Books, 1994 59. Sanchez, Carol Lee. She) Poems (chapbook). Tribal Writers Chapbook Series, Sequoyah National Research Center, University of Arkansas, 1995 60. Savageau, Cheryl. Dirt Road Home. Curbstone Books, 1995 61. Stevens, James Thomas. Tokinish (chapbook, 40pp). First Intensity Press, 1993 62. Sweet, Denise. Songs for Discharming. Greenfield Review, 1997 63. Tapahonso, Luci. Saanii Dahataat: The Women are Singing. University of Arizona Press, Sun Tracks Series, 1993 64. Tapahonso, Luci. Blue Horses Rush In. University of Arizona Press, Sun Tracks Series, 1997 65. Trask, Haunani-Kay. Light in a Crevice Never Seen. Calyx Books, 1999 66. Troupe, Quincy. Avalanche. Coffee House Press, 1996 67. Troupe, Quincy. Choruses. Coffee House Press, 1996 68. Turcotte, Mark. Songs of Our Ancestors: Poems About Native Americans (children). Children=E2=80=99s Press, 1995 69. Turcotte, Mark. The Feathered Heart. American Indian Studies, 1998 70. Vizenor, Gerald. Summer in the Spring: Anishinaabe Lyric Poems and Stories (mixed-genre/traditional). University of Oklahoma Press, 1993 71. Walters, Anna Lee. Edited. Neon Pow Wow (mixed-genre). Northland, 1993 72. Woody, Elizabeth. Seven Hands Seven Hearts: Prose and Poetry (mixed-gen= re). The Eighth Mountain Press, 1994 73. Young Bear, Ray A. Black Eagle Child: The Facepaint Narratives(mixed-genre). Grove Press, 1996, Hardcover 74. Young Bear, Ray A. Black Eagle Child: The Facepaint Narratives (mixed-genre). Grove Press, 1996, Paperback 75. Zepeda, Ofelia. Ocean Power: Poems from the Desert. University of Arizona Press/ Suntracks Series, 1995, Hardcover 76. Zepeda, Ofelia. Ocean Power: Poems from the Desert. University of Arizona Press/ Suntracks Series, 1995, Paperback Related Poetry Anthologies 1. Birchfield, D. L. and Smelcer, John E. Durable Breath. Salmon Run Publishing Company, 1994 Related Mixed-Genre Anthologies, include: 1. Harjo, Joy. Reinventing the Enemy=E2=80=99s Language (mixed-genre). W. W= . Norton and Company, 1997, Hardcover 2. Harjo, Joy. Reinventing the Enemy=E2=80=99s Language (mixed-genre). W. W= . Norton and Company, 1997, Paperback 3. Walters. Anna Lee. Neon Pow Wow (mixed-genre). Northland Publishing, 199= 3 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 22:31:02 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: allison hedge coke Subject: Update on the 21st C List of Native Poetry Books 2000-2014 (final/final) Comments: To: Charles Bernstein MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Poetics List is no longer active. Email delivery has been discontinued. Web archives will remain. Poetry Volumes of the Twenty-First Century: 2000-2014: Full List by Native American/American Indian/Indigenous/Tribal heritage poets of the U.S. and U.S. occupied Pacific/Hawaii as compiled by the Indigenous-Aboriginal American Writers Caucus of AWP. This list is vetted and is not intended for general public amendments. Please cite the AWP Indigenous-Aboriginal American Writers Caucus when referring to this bibliography. (published and in-press) Sherwin Bitsui, 2013 Chair; Jennifer Foerster, 2014 Event Organizer; Allison Adelle Hedge Coke, Founding Organizer; Travis Hedge Coke, Assistant; Brandy N=C4=81lani McDougall, Caucus Member, 2010; Craig Santos Perez, 2014 Chair. (Includes mixed genre books and/or significant chapbook publications, notedwithin listings) (Contains new texts, authored/edited, excludes reprints with exception of newly selected/collected editions, excludes vanity/closed collective/self-publishing platforms and/or platforms whereas poet is publisher, has interest) 1. Ai. Dread: Poems. New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 2003, Hardcover 2. Ai. Dread: Poems. New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 2003, Paperback 3. Ai. No Surrender: Poems. New York: W.W. Norton & Company. 2010, Hardcove= r 4. Ai. No Surrender: Poems. New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 2010, Paperback 5. Ai. The Collected Poems of Ai. New York: W.W Norton & Company, 2013, Hardcover (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 6. Allen, Paula Gunn. America the Beautiful: the last poems. West End Press, 2010 7. Alexie, Sherman. One Stick Song. Hanging Loose Press, 2000, Hardcover 8. Alexie, Sherman. One Stick Song. Hanging Loose Press, 2000, Paperback 9. Alexie, Sherman. Dangerous Astronomy (chapbook). Limberlost Press, 2005 10. Alexie, Sherman. Face. (poems/prose, fiction). Hanging Loose Press, 200= 9, Hardcover 11. Alexie, Sherman. Face. (poems/prose, fiction). Hanging Loose Press, 2009, Paperbacdalek 12. Alexie, Sherman. What I=E2=80=99ve Stolen, What I=E2=80=99ve Earned. Ha= nging Loose Press, 2013, Hardcover 13. Alexie, Sherman. What I=E2=80=99ve Stolen, What I=E2=80=99ve Earned. Ha= nging Loose Press, 2013, Paperback 14. Baca, Jimmy Santiago. Healing Earthquakes: Poems. Sun Val, 2001, Hardcover 15. Baca, Jimmy Santiago. Healing Earthquakes: Poems. Grove Press, 2001, Paperback 16. Baca, Jimmy Santiago. C-Train and Thirteen Mexican Poems. Grove Press, 2002 17. Baca, Jimmy Santiago. Winter Poems Along the Rio Grande. New Directions, 2004 18. Baca, Jimmy Santiago. Spring Poems Along the Rio Grande. New Directions, 2007 19. Baca, Jimmy Santiago. Selected Poems/Poemas Selectos (with work by three translators). New Directions, 2009 (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems may have appeared from prior to 2000, included for new section) 20. Baca, Jimmy Santiago. Breaking Bread with the Darkness, Book One: The Esai Poems. Sherman Asher Publishing, 2011 (First book in series of four/contracted) 21. Baca, Jimmy Santiago. Breaking Bread with the Darkness, Book Two: The Lucia Poems. Sherman Asher Publishing, 2012 (First book in series of four/contracted) 22. Baca, Jimmy Santiago. Singing at the Gates: Selected Poems. Grove Press, 2014, Hardcover (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems may have appeared from prior to 2000, included for newer section) 23. Barnes, Jim. Visiting Picasso. University of Illinois Press, 2007, Hardcover 24. Barnes, Jim. Visiting Picasso. University of Illinois Press, 2007, Paperback 25. Barnes, Jim. On a Wing of the Sun: Three Volumes of Poetry. University of Illinois Press, 2001 26. Becker, Kimberly L. Words Facing East. WordTech Communications, 2010 27. Becker, Kimberly L. The Dividings. WordTech Communications, 2014 28. Bitsui, Sherwin. Shapeshift. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2003 29. Bitsui, Sherwin. Flood Song. Copper Canyon Press, 2009 30. Blaeser, Kimberly. Absentee Indians and other poems. Michigan State University, 2002 31. Blaeser, Kimberly. Apprenticed to Justice. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2007 32. Brings Plenty, Trevino. Real Indian Junk Jewelry. Backwaters Press, 201= 2 33. Brings Plenty, Trevino. Chapbook inclusion in Shedding Skins. Michigan State University Press, Adrian Louis Editor, 2008 34. Brolaski, Julian Talamantez. The Daily Usonian (chapbook). Atticus/Finch, 2004 35. Brolaski, Julian Talamantez. Madame Bovary's Diary (chapbook). Cy Press, 2005 36. Brolaski, Julian Talamantez. A Buck in a Corridor (chapbook). flynpyntar press, 2008 37. Brolaski, Julian Talamantez. gowanus astropolis. Ugly Duckling Presse, 2011 38. Brolaski, Julian Talamantez. Advice for Lovers. City Lights Press, 2012 39. Broyles, Marianne Aweagon. The Red Window. West End Press, 2008 40. Bruchac, Joseph. Above the Line: New Poems. West End Press, 2003 41. Bruchac, Joseph. Ndakinna (Our Land): New and Selected Poems. West End Press, 2003 (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 42. Coffee, Robin. A Scar Upon Our Voice. Mary Burritt Christiansen Poetry Series, University of New Mexico Press, 2005 43. Da=E2=80=99, Laura. The Tecumseh Motel (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies II,Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2014 44. Davila, Ungelbah. Outlaw Neon (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies II,Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2014 45. Dauenhauer, Nora Marks. Life Woven with Song (mixed-genre). University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2000, Hardcover 46. Dauenhauer, Nora Marks. Life Woven with Song (mixed-genre). University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2000, Paperback 47. Dauenhauer, Nora Marks. An=C3=B3oshi Ling=C3=ADt Aan=C3=AD K=C3=A1 / Ru= ssians in Tlingit America: The Battles of Sitka, 1802 and 1804 (Classics of Tlingit Oral Literature/mixed genre/bilingual/co-written). University of Washington Press, 2008, Hardcover 48. Dauenhauer, Nora Marks. An=C3=B3oshi Ling=C3=ADt Aan=C3=AD K=C3=A1 / Ru= ssians in Tlingit America: The Battles of Sitka, 1802 and 1804 (Classics of Tlingit Oral Literature/mixed genre/bilingual/co-written). University of Washington Press, 2008, Paperback 49. Diaz, Natalie. When My Brother was an Aztec. Copper Canyon Press, 2012 50. Driskill, Qwo-Li. Walking with Ghosts. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2005 51. Erdrich, Heid. The Mother=E2=80=99s Tongue. Earthworks/Salt Publishing,= 2005 52. Erdrich, Heid. National Monuments. Michigan State University Press, 200= 8 53. Erdrich, Heid. Cell Traffic. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2012 54. Erdrich, Heid. Sister Nations: Native American Women Writers on Community (mixed-genre). Minnesota Historical Press, 2002, Hardcover 55. Erdrich, Heid. Sister Nations: Native American Women Writers on Community (mixed-genre). Minnesota Historical Press, 2002, Paperback 56. Erdrich, Louise. Original Fire. Selected and New Poems. Harper Perennial, 2004 (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 57. Foerster, Jennifer Elise. Leaving Tulsa. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2012 58. Frazier, Santee. Dark Thirty. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2009 59. Gansworth, Eric. Nickel Eclipse: Iroquois Moon (poems/paintings). Michi= gan State University Press, 2000 60. Gansworth, Eric. Breathing the Monster Alive (poems/paintings). Bright Hill Press Word & Image Series, 2006 61. Gansworth, Eric. A Half-Life of Cardio-Pulmonary Function: Poems and Paintings (poems/paintings/memoir). Syracuse University Press/Iroquois and Their Neighbors Series, 2008 62. Gansworth, Eric. From the Western Door to the Lower East Side (poems in response to photographs by Milton Rogovin). White Pine Press, 2009 63. Glancy, Diane. Primer of the Obsolete. University of Massachusetts Press, 2004 64. Glancy, Diane. Rooms. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2005 65. Gomez, Rain C. Smoked Mullet Cornbread Crawdad Memory. Mongrel Empire Press, 2012 66. Gould, Janice. Doubters and Dreamers. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2011 67. Grover, Linda LeGarde. The Indian at Boarding School (chapbook). Tribal Writers Chapbook Series, Sequoyah National Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2008 68. Harjo, Joy. A Map to the Next World: poems & tales (poems/prose). W. W. Norton & Company, 2000, Hardcover 69. Harjo, Joy. A Map to the Next World: poems & tales (poems/prose). W. W. Norton & Company, 2000, Paperback 70. Harjo, Joy. How We Became Human: New and Selected Poems 1975-2004. W. W. Norton & Company, 2002, Hardcover (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 71. Harjo, Joy. How We Became Human: New and Selected Poems 1975-2004. W. W. Norton & Company, 2004, Paperback (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 72. Hedge Coke, Allison Adelle. Off-Season City Pipe. Coffee House Press, 2005 73. Hedge Coke, Allison Adelle. Blood Run. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2006 UK 2007 US 74. Hedge Coke, Allison Adelle. Burn. With Illustrations by Dustin Mater. MadHat Press, 2014 75. Hedge Coke, Allison Adelle. Streaming (with Audio CD). Coffee House Press, 2014 Also edited: 76. Hedge Coke, Allison Adelle. Effigies II. Hedge Coke. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2014 (four Native women poets: dg okpik, Cathy Rexford, Brandy Nalani McDougall, Mahealani Wendt) 77. Hedge Coke, Allison Adelle. Sing: Poetry of the Indigenous Americas. Hedge Coke. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2011 (86 Indigenous poets of the Americas 12 translators, 3 associate editors) 78. Hedge Coke, Allison Adelle. Effigies. Hedge Coke. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2009 (five Native women poets: Lara Mann, Ungelbah Davila, Kateri Menominee, Kristi Leora, Laura Da=E2=80=99) 79. Hedge Coke, Allison Adelle. Ahani: Indigenous American Poetry. Hedge Coke. ToTopos International Poetry/Oregon State University, 2006 80. Hedge Coke, Travis. Sing: Poetry of the Indigenous Americas (Associate Editor). Hedge Coke, Hedge Coke, et al. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2011 (86 Indigenous poets of the Americas, 12 translators, 3 associate editors) 81. Henry, Gordon. The Failure of Certain Charms: and other disparate signs of life. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2008 82. Hill, Roberta. Cicadas: New & Selected Poems. Holy Cow! Press, 2013 (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 83. Hoahwah, Sy. Split (chapbook). Inverted Press, University of Louisiana. 2001 84. Hoahwah, Sy. Black Knife (chapbook). Tribal Writers Chapbook Series, Sequoyah National Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2005 85. Hoahwah, Sy. Velroy and the Madischie Mafia. West End Press, 2009 Louis Editor, 2008 86. Hoahwah, Sy. Night Cradle. USPOCO Books, 2011 87. Hogan, Linda. Rounding the Human Corners. Coffee House Press, 2008 88. Hogan, Linda. Indios: A Poem...A Performance (chapbook.) Wings Press, 2013 89. Hogan, Linda. Dark. Sweet. New & Selected Poems. Coffee House Press, 2014 (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 90. Howe, LeAnne. Evidence of Red (poems/prose), Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2005 91. Jumper, Elgin. Nightfall (chapbook). Tribal Writers Chapbook Series, Sequoyah National Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2006 92. Kalahele, Imaikalani. Kalahele. Kalamaku Press, 2002 93. Kanae, Lisa. Sista Tongue. TinFish Press, 2001 94. Kane, Joan Naviyuk. Hyperboreal. University of Pittsburgh Press/Pitt Poetry Series, 2013 95. Kane, Joan Naviyuk. The Cormorant Hunter=E2=80=99s Wife. University of = Alaska Press/Alaska Poetry Series, 2012 96. Kenny, Maurice. Carving Hawk: New and Selected Poems, 1956-2000. White Pine Press, 2002 (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 97. Kenny, Maurice. The Mama Poems. White Pine Press, 2008 98. Kihleng, Emelihter. My Urohs. Kahuaomanoa Press, 2008 99. Lajimodiere, Denise K. Dragonfly Dance. Michigan State University Press/American Indian Studies, 2010 100. Leora, Kristi. Dark Swimming (book inclusion) in Effigies II,Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2014 101. Littlecrow-Russell, Sara. The Secret Powers of Naming. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2006 102. Livingston, Chip. Museum of False Starts. Gival Press, 2010 103. Livingston, Chip. Crow-Blue, Crow-Black. NYQ Books, 2012 104. Livingston, Chip. Naming Ceremony. Lethe Press, 2014 105. Long Soldier, Layli. Chromosomory (chapbook). Q Ave Pres, 2010 106. Lopez, Casandra. Brother, Bullet (chapbook). Tribal Writers Chapbook Series, Sequoyah National Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2014 107. Louis, Adrian C. Ancient Acid Flashes Back. University of Nevada Press, 2000 108. Louis, Adrian C. Bone & Juice. Northwestern University Press, 2001 109. Louis, Adrian C. Evil Corn. Ellis Press, 2004 110. Louis, Adrian C. Deer Dreams (chapbook). Red Dragonfly Press, 2006 111. Louis, Adrian C. Logorrhea. Northwestern University Press, 2006, Paperback 112. Louis, Adrian C. Logorrhea. Northwestern University Press, 2006, Hardcover 113. Louis, Adrian C. Savage Sunsets. West End Press, 2012 Also edited: 114. Louis, Adrian C. Shedding Skins. Michigan State University Press, 2008 (with chapbooks by four Native men poets) 115. Mann, Lara. A Song of Ascents and Descents (book inclusion) in Effigie= s II, Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2014 116. Matejka, Adrian. The Devil=E2=80=99s Garden. Farmington, ME: Alice Jam= es Books, 2003. Paperback 117. Matejka, Adrian. Mixology. New York: Penguin Books, 2009. Paperback 118. Matejka, Adrian. The Big Smoke. New York: Penguin Books, 2013. Paperback 119. McAdams, Janet. The Island of Lost Luggage. University of Arizona Press/First Book Series, 2000 120. McAdams, Janet. Feral. Salt Publishing, 2007 121. McDougall, Brandy Nalani. The Salt Wind: Ka Makani Paakai. Kuleana Oiwi Press, 2008 122. McDougall, Brandy Nalani. Return to the Kula House (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies, Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2009 123. McGlennan, Molly. Fried Fish and Flour Biscuits. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2010 124. McMullin, Dan Taulapapa. A Drag Queen Named Pipi. (Chapbook). TinFish Press, 2004 125. McMullin, Dan Taulapapa. Coconut Milk. University of Arizona Press, 2013 126. Menominee, Kateri. In Tongues (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies II,Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2014 127. Midge, Tiffany. The Woman Who Married the Bear. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2014 128. Miranda, Deborah A. The Zen of La Llorona. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2005 129. Momaday, N. Scott. In the Bear=E2=80=99s House (poems, prose, art). Un= iversity of New Mexico Press, 2010, Hardcover 130. Momaday, N. Scott. In the Bear=E2=80=99s House (poems, prose, art). Un= iversity of New Mexico Press, 2010, Paperback 131. Momaday, N. Scott. Again the Far Morning: New and Selected Poems.University of New Mexico Press, 2011, Hardcover (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 132. Momaday, N. Scott. Again the Far Morning: New and Selected Poems. University of New Mexico Press, 2011, Paperback (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 133. Morgan, Phillip Caroll. The Fork-in-the-Road Indian Poetry Store. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2006 134. Niatum, Duane. The Crooked Beak of Love. West End Press, 2000 135. Niatum, Duane. The Pull of the Green Kite. Serif & Pixel Press, 2011 136. okpik, dg nanouk. In the Time of Okvik (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies, Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2009 137. okpik, dg nanouk. Corpse Whale. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2012 138. Ortiz, Simon. Out There Somewhere. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2002 139. Paschen, Elise. Bestiary. Red Hen Press, 2009 140. Pacheco, Steve. Chapbook inclusion in Shedding Skins, Michigan State University Press, Adrian Louis Editor, 2008 141. Perez, Craig Santos. From Unincorporated Territory [Hacha]. Tinfish Press, 2008 142. Perez, Craig Santos. From Unincorporated Territory [Saina]. Omnidawn, 2010 143. Perez, Craig Santos. From Unincorporated Territory [Guma]. Omnidawn, 2014 144. Perez-Wendt, Mahealani. Uluhaimalama. Kuleana Oiwi Press, 2008 145. Perez-Wendt, Mahealani. Papahanaumoku (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies, Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2009 146. Rancourt, Suzanne. Billboard in the Clouds. Curbstone Books, 2004 147. Red Elk, Lois. Our Blood Remembers. Many Voices Press, 2011 148. Revard, Carter. How the Songs Come Down. Earthworks/Salt Publishing. 2005 149. Revard, Carter. From the Extinct Volcano: a Bird of Paradise. Mongrel Empire Press, 2014 150. Revilla, Noukahauoli. Say Throne. (Chapbook). TinFish, 2011 151. Rexford, Cathy Tagnak. Black Ice (chapbook inclusion) in Effigies,Earthworks/Salt Publishing, Allison Hedge Coke, editor, 2009 152. Rodriguez, Linda. Heart=E2=80=99s Migration. Tia Chucha Press, 2009 153. Ruiz, Cathy. Stirring Up the Water. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2008 154. Salisbury, Ralph. War in the Genes and other poems. WordTech Communications, 2006 155. Salisbury, Ralph. Blind Pumper at the Well. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2008 156. Salisbury, Ralph. Light from a Bullet Hole: new and selected poems, 1950-2008. Silverfish Review Press, 2009 (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 157. Salisbury, Ralph. Like the Sun in Storm. The Habit of Rainy Nights Press, 2012 158. Savageau, Cheryl. Mother/Land. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2006 159. Shuck, Kim. Smuggling Cherokee. Greenfield Review, 2006 160. Sigo, Cedar. Thank you Letters (chapbook). Angry Dog, 2003 161. Sigo, Cedar. Selected Writings. Ugly Duckling Presse, 2003 162. Sigo, Cedar. Selected Writings (Expanded Second Edition). Ugly Duckling Presse, 2005 163. Sigo, Cedar. Expensive Magic (chapbook). House Press, 2008 164. Sigo, Cedar. Stranger in Town. City Lights, 2010 165. Sigo, Cedar. Music for Torching(chapbook). Lew Gallery Editions, 2010 166. Sigo, Cedar. Plains Pictograph (chapbook). Gasmeter Press, 2013 167. Sigo, Cedar. Language Arts. Wave Books, 2014 168. Sinavaina, Caroline. Alchemies of Distance. Subpress/TinFish, 2002 169. Sinavaina, Caroline. Mohawk/Samoa: Transmigrations (chapbook, co-written). Subpress/TinFish Press 2006 170. Smoker, M. L. Another Attempt at Rescue. Hanging Loose Press, 2005 171. Stevens, James Thomas. Combing the Snakes from His Hair. Michigan State University Press. 2002 172. Stevens, James Thomas. (Dis)Orient (chapbook). Palm Press, 2005 173. Stevens, James Thomas. Mohawk/Samoa: Transmigrations (chapbook, co-written). Subpress, 2005 174. Stevens, James Thomas. The Mutual Life (chapbook), Plan B Press, 2006 175. Stevens, James Thomas. Bulle/Chimere (chapbook). First Intensity Press, 2006 176. Stevens, James Thomas. A Bridge Dead in the Water. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2007 177. Stevens, James Thomas. Of Kingdoms & Kangaroo (chapbook, co-written). First Intensity Press, 2008 178. Taitano, Lehua. A Bell Made of Stones. TinFish Press, 2013 179. Takehiro, Sage Uilani. Honua. Kahuaomanoa Press, 2007 180. Tamez, Margo. Raven Eye. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2007 181. Tapahonso, Luci. A Radiant Curve: Poems and Stories. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2008 182. Tohe, Laura. Tseyi=E2=80=99/ Deep in the Rock: Reflections of Canyon d= e Chelly. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2005 183. Tohe, Laura. Sister Nations: Native American Women Writers on Community(mixed-genre). Minnesota Historical Press, 2002, Hardcover 184. Tohe, Laura. Sister Nations: Native American Women Writers on Community(mixed-genre). Minnesota Historical Press, 2002, Paperback 185. Travis, Rebecca Hatcher. Picked Apart the Bones. Chickasaw Press, 2009 186. Trask, Haunani-Kay. Night is a Shark Skin Drum. University of Hawai'i Press, 2002 187. Troupe, Quincy. Transcircularities: New and Selected Poems. Coffee House Press, 2002 Hardcover (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 188. Troupe, Quincy. Transcircularities: New and Selected Poems. Coffee House Press, 2002 Paperback (note, the bulk of this book, selected poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 189. Troupe, Quincy. The Architecture of Language. Coffee House Press, 2006, Hardcover 190. Troupe, Quincy. The Architecture of Language. Coffee House Press, 2006, Paperback 191. Troupe, Quincy. Erran=C3=A7ities. Coffee House Press, 2012, Hardcover 192. Troupe, Quincy. Erran=C3=A7ities. Coffee House Press, 2012, Paperback 193. Turcotte, Mark. Exploding Chippewas. TriQuarterly. 2002 194. Turner, Doyle D. Time is a Parlor Trick and other poems (chapbook). Tribal Writers Chapbook Series, Sequoyah National Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2007 195. Vizenor, Gerald. Almost Ashore. Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2006 (note, the bulk of this book, selected haikus/poems are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 196. Vizenor, Gerald. Favor of Crows. Wesleyan Press, 2014 (note, the bulk of this book, selected haikus are from prior to 2000, included for new section) 197. Wall, Drucilla. The Geese at the Gates. Salmon Poetry, 2011 198. Warm Water, Luke. Chapbook inclusion in Shedding Skins, Michigan State University Press, Adrian Louis Editor, 2008 199. Warren, Steven. While a Hummingbird Sways (chapbook). Tribal Writers Chapbook Series, Sequoyah National Research Center, University of Arkansas, 2011 200. Waters, Joel. Chapbook inclusion in Shedding Skins, Michigan State University Press, Adrian Louis Editor, 2008 201. Westlake, Wayne. Westlake: Poems by Wayne Westlake. University of Hawai'i Press, 2010 202. White, Orlando. Bone Light. Red Hen Press, 2009 203. Wood, Karenne. Markings on Earth. University of Arizona Press/First Book Award Series, 2001 204. Wurth, Erika. Indian Trains. West End Press, 2007 205. Young Bear, Ray A. The Rock Island Hunting Club. University of Iowa Press, 2001 206. Zepeda, Ofelia. Jewed =E2=80=98I-hoi/Earth Movements (chapbook). Paper= with Audio CD, Kore Press, 2005 207. Zepeda, Ofelia. Where Clouds are Formed. University of Arizona Press/ Suntracks Series, 2008, Hardcover 208. Zepeda, Ofelia. Where Clouds are Formed. University of Arizona Press/ Suntracks Series, 2008, Paperback Poetry Anthologies noted above (with only Native inclusions and only poetry, no mixed-genre, no student editions, no self-pub): 1. Ahani: Indigenous American Poetry, Hedge Coke, ToTopos International Poetry/Oregon State University, 2006 2. Effigies II, Hedge Coke, Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2014 (four Native women poets: dg okpik, Cathy Rexford, Brandy Nalani McDougall, Mahealani Wendt) 3. Effigies, Hedge Coke, Earthworks/Salt Publishing, 2009 (five Native women poets: Lara Mann, Ungelbah Davila, Kateri Menominee, Kristi Leora, Laura Da=E2=80=99) 4. Sing: Poetry of the Indigenous Americas, Hedge Coke, Hedge Coke, et al. University of Arizona Press/Sun Tracks Series, 2011 (86 Indigenous poets of the Americas 12 translators, 1 senior editor, 3 associate editors) 5. Sister Nations: Native American Women Writers on Community (mixed-genre)= . Erdrich, Tohe. Minnesota Historical Press, 2002, Hardcover 6. Sister Nations: Native American Women Writers on Community (mixed-genre)= . Erdrich, Tohe. Minnesota Historical Press, 2002, Paperback 7. Shedding Skins, Louis, Michigan State University Press, 2008 (four Native men poets: Trevino Brings Plenty, Joel Waters, Steve Pacheco, Luke Warm Water) Note: As tenure relies on legitimate publications and AWP is this caucus affiliation, these bibliographies, by nature must coincide with national program requirements and professional regulations. Other lists could be created, in the future, to carry those grassroots, community, collective, vanity and other self-published venues to save any grassroots people too far removed from the academy to have access to legitimate presses. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 03:55:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Poetics +++, last post from the wilderness, and thanks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The Poetics List is no longer active. Email delivery has been discontinued. Web archives will remain. Poetics +++, last post from the wilderness, and thanks To Poetics list, I wrote of broken symmetry, in the midst of a discussion dreams are made of; there was much discussion of the Poetics list, and In fumbling about the Poetics list, making a decision: the world is in the world. 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Web archives will remain. _____________________________________ http://centerforthehumanities.org/conference/william-s-burroughs-centennial= -conference William Burroughs 100th Birthday Celebration * A fundraiser for the WSB100 Festival * with Aaron Dilloway, David Grubbs, Elliott Sharp, Talibam!, Lea Bertucci, Philip White & Many More! *Wednesday, Feb. 5th, 7PM at The Bowery Electric* *WSB100 & The Bowery Electric Present:* *William Burroughs 100th Birthday Celebration - a fundraiser for the WSB100 Festival* Featuring: *10:20 Aaron Dilloway* (Wolf Eyes) *9:40 David Grubbs *(Gastr Del Sol) *9:00 Elliott Sharp / James Ilgenfritz / Joe Tomino * *8:20 Talibam!7:40 Lea Bertucci / Leila Bordreuil**7:00 Philip White / Chris Pitsiokos / Dan Blake* Outsider/Abstract sound DJd by * Bob Bellerue!* Readings from *Anne Waldman & Steve Dalachinsky* On the 100th birthday of the true American original William S. 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The diverse array of events include musical performances, public readings, academic panels, art exhibitions, film screenings, multi-media, and performance art. Artists scheduled to appear include John Zorn, Laurie Anderson, Genesis Breyer P-Orridge, Lydia Lunch, Hal Willner, Paul D. Miller AKA DJ Spooky, Bill Laswell, Kenneth Goldsmith, JG Thirlwell, Thurston Moore, Anne Waldman, Steve Dalachinsky, Oliver Harris, Barry Miles, Steve Buscemi, and many more= . www.wsb100.org www.theboweryelectric.com The Bowery Electric 212-228-0228 _____________________________________ S=E9amas Cain http://www.freewebs.com/seamascain _____________________________________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html. ========================================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:08:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Bernstein Subject: The Last Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Poetics List is no longer active. Email delivery has been discontinued. Web archives will remain. It has been over ten years since I left Buffalo; it is no longer viable for me to continue to sponsor this list. So, as of today, the Poetics List has been discontinued. We are maintaing and hope to improve, the list archive. The Poetics List EPC page will continue to have current information on the archive: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html And, as the old Poetics List has ended, a new one is beginning. Francesco Levato of the Chicago School of Poetics has started the Poetics List 2.0 -- which has many features not possible to offer via the Liserv format: <<>> ********* I started the Poetics List in late 1993, just after I came to Buffalo and co-founded the Poetics Program and a little while before the founding of the Electronic Poetry Center. When the list began, a email-based discussion group was a radically new format. There was no web interface and no way to filter messages. Emails were read and written via on-line ascii systems. During the first six years of the list, a deep and wide ranging discussion developed among the few hundred of us actively participating. I asked that the list address not be publicized so that we could keep the discussion to those with shared interests and that the list not become a general interest poetry forum. Much of the spirit of the early list was captured by Joel Kuszai, who edited Poetics@, for which I wrote the introduction. This ROOF book is available free in as epub, mobi, or pdf; or via Amazon. Or you can also explore the early Poetics List archive (1993-1996). http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html The list was unmoderated until 1999. At that time, many of us involved in early forms of social media were confronted by flaming, spam, and trolls -- before having those words for them. While some people objected to our move to list moderation, an unmoderated list ended up driving away or silencing people I wanted to be part of our discussion while at the same time giving free reign to those hostile to the list's basic orientation (which, regrettably, I was far too slow to realize). A no-holds barred unmoderated offshoot of the Poetics List was started but didn't last long. (I take up issues around editing the Poetics List in an essay in "Electronic Pies in the Poetry Skies" in Attack of the Difficult Poems .) In any case, the care free days of the early list were over before the new Millenium opened its eyes. By that time, the list had become a rare open forum for the discussion of, and exchange of information about, unconventional poetry and poetics: you didn't have to be at a bar in New York or a cafe in San Francisco, or to know anybody on a scene, or to be enrolled in a program: all you needed to participate was an active interest. So I was determined to keep the thing afloat and with the help of a succession of list moderators, we did, peaking at about 1500 subscribers, with many more readers via the web. Like PennSound and the EPC, the Poetics List has been housed in a non-profit, non-commercial space with no advertising, no snooping on reader's or posters' web activity, and privacy of our subscriber email list. This building of noncommercial web space has been a foundational principal for all three sites. For many of the long-term participants of the Poetics List, it became a very personal space of friendship and exchange, argument and disagreement, as well a place to find or post information about new books and publications and web links. Participants relied on the list for contact with those with shared poetry interests and as a means of getting in touch with one another. It was a life-line. The advent of user-friendly blog sites provided welcome access for poets to create new forums, key alternatives to what the list initially offered. In the last several years, Facebook and Twitter have, for many of us, made Listserv programs less significant. Here is how I formulated the aims of the list, in consultation with Joel Kusai and Chris Alexander, starting about 2000: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Our aim is to support, inform, and extend those directions in poetry that are committed to innovations, renovations, and investigations of form and/or/as content, to the questioning of received forms and styles, and to the creation of the otherwise unimagined, untried, unexpected, improbable, and impossible. While we recognize that other lists may sponsor other possibilities for exchange, we request that those participating in this forum keep in mind the specialized and focused nature of this project and respect our decision to operate a moderated list. The Poetics List exists to support and encourage divergent points of view on innovative forms of modern and contemporary poetry and poetics, and we are committed to doing what is necessary to preserve this space for such dialog. Please note that this list is primarily concerned with discussions of poetry and poetics. We strongly encourage subscribers to post information, including web links, relating to publications (print and internet), reading series, and blogs that they have coordinated, edited or published, or in which they appear. Such announcements constitute a core function of this list. Brief reviews of poetry events and publications (print or digital) are always welcome. The Poetics List is not a forum for a general discussion of poetry or for the exchange of poems. Queries for contact information, messages intended for just a few subscribers, "flame" messages, and free-standing personal poems or journal entries will, in general, not be forwarded to the list. Also, please note that the Poetics List is not a "chat" list and we discourage the posting of very short messages intended for only a few subscribers. Personal queries and off-topic submissions will not be posted. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ================================== The Chicago School of Poetics has started Poetics List 2.0 -- to join that list go to . Threads ongoing here should now be moved to the new site. Archives will continue to be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/poeticslist.html.