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Click here for a recording of a discussion on poetry and literary criticism in Kirjakauppa Kirja bookshop, Helsinki, Nov 13, 2009. This carries on the lively debate that was triggered by an exceptionally nasty review by Jukka Petäjä in Helsingin Sanomat (the monopolistic main newspaper) on five new poetry books, three of them by my ntamo press (for a good English account of the debate by poet Matti Kilponen, click here). The panelists were Timo Harju and Tuukka Terho (two of the manhandled poets), poet Miia Toivio (poEsia), myself, Antti Majander from the HS Cultural Section, and poet Teemu Manninen as moderator.