<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post111474098864947040..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>26</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111530846812047008</id><published>2005-05-05T11:54:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-05T11:54:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The theoretical importance of Goldsworthy is that ...</title><summary type='text'>The theoretical importance of Goldsworthy is that (includes) his being reliant from the beginning of his career of the photograph, as he recounts in the film.   Rivers and Tides, unlike many artist docus that tend towards the clumsy, intrusive, and missing-the-point, is really the full extension of Goldsworthy&#39;s aesthetic.  As such, it clings to the pretense of being a documentary/ interview, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111530846812047008'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111530846812047008'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115308440000#c111530846812047008' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 05, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111518666897473179</id><published>2005-05-04T02:04:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T02:04:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I don&#39;t know. Pete Davis is correct in being wary....</title><summary type='text'>I don&#39;t know. Pete Davis is correct in being wary. But &#39;anonymous&#39; does make a point, there is another dynamic coming into play here. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The last 30-45 days have been remarkable.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Audrey Kepler&lt;BR/&gt;DUS&lt;BR/&gt;Northwest&#39;rn St. Univ.(of LA)</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111518666897473179'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111518666897473179'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115186640000#c111518666897473179' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><uri>http://www2.nsula.edu/</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111518200742190817</id><published>2005-05-04T00:46:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T00:46:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;Ron, I wonder why this format works better than S...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;Ron, I wonder why this format works better than Squawkbox? (if you care to comment). This format is more conducive to the quantity, and yes quality, of the postings. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There seems to be a &#39;tectonic&#39; shift in readership, and commentary. This is a curious development.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It seems to have some correspondence to Robert Creeley, the new Pope, Terry Schiavo, and your blog going on the &#39;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111518200742190817'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111518200742190817'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115181960000#c111518200742190817' title=''/><author><name>pete davis</name><uri>http://artisnecessary@yahoo.com</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111517559013574929</id><published>2005-05-03T22:59:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T22:59:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Thanks for another informative posting. Once again...</title><summary type='text'>Thanks for another informative posting. Once again, yours is a poetics that &quot;informs and is informed&quot;(Zukofsky).&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Also, I&#39;ve been particularly impressed by much of the commentary here by others. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ron, I wonder why this format works better than Squawkbox? (if you care to comment). This format is more conducive to the quantity, and yes quality, of the postings. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111517559013574929'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111517559013574929'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115175540000#c111517559013574929' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111517482183154909</id><published>2005-05-03T22:47:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T22:47:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Hooray for Hamish Fulton.  He&#39;s the real McCoy.  G...</title><summary type='text'>Hooray for Hamish Fulton.  He&#39;s the real McCoy.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Goldsworthy is a pretender.  He&#39;s like John Pfahl on acid, delighted with his own little paper Easter Eggs.  &quot;Duh, let&#39;s stick some bamboo shoots in the swamp ridge.  Then hang mohair on them, watch the wind swirl.  Woooooooooooo....&quot;        &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And there&#39;s this American photographer in Glasgow, teaching at the school of art, named </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111517482183154909'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111517482183154909'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115174820000#c111517482183154909' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111517107285079599</id><published>2005-05-03T21:44:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T21:44:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I was reading Kirby’s first entry today, sentence ...</title><summary type='text'>I was reading Kirby’s first entry today, sentence by sentence, and thinking, “No, not again (meaning Collins, not Kirby). No, we used to be practical. Now all we do is engage in global operant conditioning based marketing and politics . . . “ When I reached the second paragraph I thought, “What is the deal with Wittgenstein? Yeah, he’s great but with all this focus on practicality, a lot of other</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111517107285079599'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111517107285079599'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115171040000#c111517107285079599' title=''/><author><name>Michael Harold</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11165160971360124629</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-626236699"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111516905809475769</id><published>2005-05-03T21:10:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T21:10:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron --I disagree that Mendieta&#39;s work was primaril...</title><summary type='text'>Ron --&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I disagree that Mendieta&#39;s work was primarily (only) &quot;body&quot; work: instead, it is a subversion of the male gestures of land art by the insertion of the body into &quot;nature&quot; (or nature on the body, as with feathers and mud and blood).  Mendieta was in direct and knowing coversation with Smithson, esp. with the silueta series.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Also, I went walking among a &quot;permanent&quot; </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111516905809475769'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111516905809475769'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115169000000#c111516905809475769' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111515734707269266</id><published>2005-05-03T17:55:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T17:55:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'></title><summary type='text'>This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111515734707269266'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111515734707269266'/><author><name>bevjackson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14394278185384388199</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name='blogger.contentRemoved' value='true'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-600334937"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111515696831399244</id><published>2005-05-03T17:49:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T17:49:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kevin,The only way I can see that nature contamina...</title><summary type='text'>Kevin,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The only way I can see that nature contaminates art -- or compromises it -- is to argue precisely that art exists in a vacuum outside of nature in a perfectly historical materialist reality.  Merleau-Ponty comments in another context that Marxism has no concept of nature whatsoever (he says this in his book La Nature, p. 355.).  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It is a very odd remark for Ron to have </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111515696831399244'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111515696831399244'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115156940000#c111515696831399244' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111515309748502655</id><published>2005-05-03T16:44:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T16:44:00.001-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I&#39;m also inclined to view Goldsworthy&#39;s work as &quot;l...</title><summary type='text'>I&#39;m also inclined to view Goldsworthy&#39;s work as &quot;lightweight&quot;, but I think that one thing contributing to this inclination is Goldsworthy&#39;s effort to work &quot;with nature&quot;.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Whereas Goldsworthy&#39;s process could be seen as a kind of open-ended dialogue with natural materials in their natural settings, Smithson&#39;s work could be seen as less of a dialogue and more of a direct and &quot;unnatural&quot; </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111515309748502655'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111515309748502655'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115153040001#c111515309748502655' title=''/><author><name>Jay</name><uri>http://www.beetleinabox.com/blog</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111515306166346024</id><published>2005-05-03T16:44:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T16:44:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Well, this isn&#39;t a comment on any particular post ...</title><summary type='text'>Well, this isn&#39;t a comment on any particular post but on the entire blog. I find it fascinating, diverse, and well-written. I also wanted to thank you for the link (Pris Campbell). I&#39;ve added your blog to mine, as well. Thanks for offering such good fodder for thought.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111515306166346024'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111515306166346024'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115153040000#c111515306166346024' title=''/><author><name>Pris</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03970753027686923295</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-2102071197"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111515134259625457</id><published>2005-05-03T16:15:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T16:15:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>&amp; among the Brits: How would you place Richard Lon...</title><summary type='text'>&amp; among the Brits: How would you place Richard Long, or Hamish Fulton?  It&#39;s curious that someone [in this case Andy Goldsworthy, will always come along &amp; have a career making a pretty version -- utterly sweet &amp; utterly charming nature art.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111515134259625457'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111515134259625457'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115151300000#c111515134259625457' title=''/><author><name>Tony</name><uri>http://Tony_Green.typepad.com/pouhu</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111514994645277629</id><published>2005-05-03T15:52:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T15:52:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kirby,It must have been some slight to set into mo...</title><summary type='text'>Kirby,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It must have been some slight to set into motion a &quot;violent counter-reformation&quot;! I likewise missed it.  Perhaps over on LS you could comment on the nature of this counter-reformation at more length?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I admire your defense of Collins, especially since Ron Silliman&#39;s rigor seems to fail him when Collins is under discussion:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;I doubt seriously that Billy Collins or </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111514994645277629'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111514994645277629'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115149920000#c111514994645277629' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111514905597832653</id><published>2005-05-03T15:37:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T15:37:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The Goldsworthy film put me to sleep, but I wouldn...</title><summary type='text'>The Goldsworthy film put me to sleep, but I wouldn&#39;t call that a rigorous review. For resources, though, I&#39;ve found Smithson&#39;s Collected Writings (UC Press, 1996) a near-inexhaustible provocation. A favorite: an early piece called &quot;The Monuments of Passaic&quot; that just goes ahead and treats whatever happens to be standing around in the landscape -- lengths of sewer pipe, a children&#39;s playground -- </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111514905597832653'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111514905597832653'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115149020000#c111514905597832653' title=''/><author><name>Kirk Johnson</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111514757611264619</id><published>2005-05-03T15:12:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T15:12:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I have never seen one of Goldsworthy&#39;s pieces in p...</title><summary type='text'>I have never seen one of Goldsworthy&#39;s pieces in person. I&#39;ve only seen them though photographs, which has caused me to wonder - who primarily takes the photographs of Goldsworthy&#39;s work?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;At least as I&#39;ve experienced it, there are two levels of art happening.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111514757611264619'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111514757611264619'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115147520000#c111514757611264619' title=''/><author><name>daniel silliman</name><uri>http://www.danielsilliman.blogspot.com</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111514707769708512</id><published>2005-05-03T15:04:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T15:04:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Goldsworthy&#39;s work is gorgeous, and his catalogs a...</title><summary type='text'>Goldsworthy&#39;s work &lt;I&gt;is&lt;/I&gt; gorgeous, and his catalogs are stunning, with some really high quality slide photography of his work (I&#39;ve never -- and who has? -- seen a G au naturel.) I resist putting Goldsworthy next to Christo, since G has a lot to say about process, whereas Christo seems to be just concerned with paying enough people to implement his &quot;vision.&quot; When viewing Goldsworthy, I get a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111514707769708512'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111514707769708512'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115147040000#c111514707769708512' title=''/><author><name>Simon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03035545713190516583</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1104587410"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111514452005257512</id><published>2005-05-03T14:22:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T14:22:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I guess I see Ana Medieta primarily as a body arti...</title><summary type='text'>I guess I see Ana Medieta primarily as a body artist, so part of a whole other discourse.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111514452005257512'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111514452005257512'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115144520000#c111514452005257512' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111514245693326623</id><published>2005-05-03T13:47:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T13:47:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Is it really Collins vs. Silliman? Smithson vs. Go...</title><summary type='text'>Is it really Collins vs. Silliman? Smithson vs. Goldsworthy?  Who and what is being left out here? &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Isn&#39;t it Ana Mendieta who serves as  Goldsworthy&#39;s foil?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The austere often fails against the brutal and exuberant: the austere is an an-aesthetic.  And tho an-aesthetic is useful, sometimes appropriate, austerity’s point is, well -  one point. Reactionary, mostly.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111514245693326623'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111514245693326623'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115142420000#c111514245693326623' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111513856824121831</id><published>2005-05-03T12:42:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T12:42:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kirby Olson wrote: &quot;...but it is at least a beginn...</title><summary type='text'>Kirby Olson wrote: &lt;I&gt;&quot;...but it is at least a beginning of an opening out into Peoria.&quot;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The little bell on the ice cream truck had just cleared my mind while I was eating my Eskimo Pie, which we eat even on 50 degree days or colder because any day is a good day for ice cream out here in the hinterland (plus food on a stick is popular in these parts), pondering the loss of practical </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111513856824121831'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111513856824121831'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115138520000#c111513856824121831' title=''/><author><name>steve nomansland</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111513724003160936</id><published>2005-05-03T12:20:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T12:20:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Rigorously blase! (sorry, I can&#39;t do the aigu on t...</title><summary type='text'>Rigorously blase! (sorry, I can&#39;t do the aigu on this monolingual keyboard).  Collins is rigorously blase!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There&#39;s no other way he could what he does.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111513724003160936'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111513724003160936'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115137200000#c111513724003160936' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111513690815445254</id><published>2005-05-03T12:15:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T12:15:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Nice to arrive here and find Andy Goldsworthy lurk...</title><summary type='text'>Nice to arrive here and find Andy Goldsworthy lurking in the blog. I&#39;ve been a big admirer of his for years. I have a couple of videos of Andy working. They&#39;re labelled &#39;inspiration&#39; - just watching him work is enough to get the creative juices flowing.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I wrote this at the top of the year...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;ANDY GOLDSWORTHY&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;picks me up&lt;BR/&gt;drops me&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;scatters me&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111513690815445254'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111513690815445254'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115136900000#c111513690815445254' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1013666247"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111513176181797867</id><published>2005-05-03T10:49:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T10:49:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>http://www.yogenfruz.com/brands/eskimopie/index.ht...</title><summary type='text'>http://www.yogenfruz.com/brands/eskimopie/index.html</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111513176181797867'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111513176181797867'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115131740000#c111513176181797867' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111513025593718553</id><published>2005-05-03T10:24:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T10:24:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I have always been completely bored by Goldsworthy...</title><summary type='text'>I have always been completely bored by Goldsworthy.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I recognized Smithson&#39;s intellectual bent immediately when I first heard about him, and saw his works.  But the simplicity and &quot;primitive&quot; characteristic of his productions suggested to me that had he lived, his development would have taken him into much stronger, possibly more ambitious, but certainly more intriguing areas, than </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111513025593718553'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111513025593718553'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115130240000#c111513025593718553' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111512912058071326</id><published>2005-05-03T10:05:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T10:05:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Rigor of aesthetic language?  Hmm.  How I love to ...</title><summary type='text'>Rigor of aesthetic language?  Hmm.  How I love to disagree with Kirby.  Blasé language.  Preface to the Lyrical Ballads taken without a grain of salt.  William Carlos Williams wholly misunderstood.  Collins is a rigorous downplayer of intellect.  Intellect which doesn&#39;t have to be divorced from Aesthetics.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Which makes me return to initial subject of Ron&#39;s post,  here.  I am confused.  </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111512912058071326'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111512912058071326'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115129100000#c111512912058071326' title=''/><author><name>Jehza</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09527708835511076143</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-355639647"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111512487120245626</id><published>2005-05-03T08:54:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T08:54:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Billy Collins again.  But in an America where the ...</title><summary type='text'>Billy Collins again.  But in an America where the emphasis is on practical language -- this does that, or even in English literature depts. an emphasis on works that do something political (change our notion of race, and a gender, if not class), and are thus primarily practical, and have almost no other reason for their existence, it is exciting that Collins has developed an almost purely </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111512487120245626'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111474098864947040/comments/default/111512487120245626'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html?showComment=1115124840000#c111512487120245626' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/rivers-and-tides-is-documentary-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111474098864947040' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111474098864947040' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2005"/></entry></feed>