<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post111488872491724479..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>23</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111566389786265925</id><published>2005-05-09T14:38:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-09T14:38:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ad man for the masseswash me on the shorelineof yo...</title><summary type='text'>Ad man for the masses&lt;BR/&gt;wash me on the shoreline&lt;BR/&gt;of your jingle brained planet&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;where cat shampoo&lt;BR/&gt;and dog food can be sexy&lt;BR/&gt;once we believe &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;and buy into the pitch&lt;BR/&gt;artist preachers hypnotise and &lt;BR/&gt;hook us in with&lt;BR/&gt;like chained dumb fishes&lt;BR/&gt;devoid of spirituality.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;TV&#39;s the money one religion&lt;BR/&gt;and adverts&lt;BR/&gt;the sermons&lt;BR/&gt;from the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111566389786265925'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111566389786265925'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115663880000#c111566389786265925' title=''/><author><name>Scalljah</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14578109925453070447</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1613744976"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 09, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111566066909459380</id><published>2005-05-09T13:44:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-09T13:44:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The hoi polloi on this side of the Atlantic digs B...</title><summary type='text'>The hoi polloi on this side of the Atlantic digs Billy Collins.  I doubt if anyone still digs ditches but you do hear jackhammers working on the cavities in the streets especially now that winter has finally ended.  We call it &quot;transportation arterial dentistry,&quot; in the new language that attempts to obscure the class nature of manual employment.  Or at any rate I call it that.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111566066909459380'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111566066909459380'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115660640000#c111566066909459380' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 09, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111558757468399962</id><published>2005-05-08T17:26:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-08T17:26:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>When I decided to devote my energies to poetry I s...</title><summary type='text'>When I decided to devote my energies to poetry I started from the basics. I thought I would rather spend a lifetime writing one sonnett of shakespeare quality than knocking out stuff that was easy but not of quality. And once I fell back into education and I began to understand and learn the history of poetry and how it&#39;s parameters had shifted, and very radically in the 20C, I began to see how </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111558757468399962'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111558757468399962'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115587560000#c111558757468399962' title=''/><author><name>Scalljah</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14578109925453070447</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1613744976"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 08, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111532365990424068</id><published>2005-05-05T16:07:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-05T16:07:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis,I believe it is the job, the responsibility...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I believe it is the job, the responsibility, of each new generation to rebel against its predecessors, meaning all 5000 – 500,000,000 years of them, depending on how you calculate. That is important to our progress as a species and a civilization.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The post you refer to was partly a knee-jerk reaction to Henry’s previous post. I stopped myself before I turned it into a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111532365990424068'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111532365990424068'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115323620000#c111532365990424068' title=''/><author><name>Michael Harold</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11165160971360124629</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-626236699"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 05, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111530781132906057</id><published>2005-05-05T11:43:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-05T11:43:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Re: ZenThe successful act of composition is a &quot;sta...</title><summary type='text'>Re: Zen&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The successful act of composition is a &quot;state of grace.&quot;  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Attempts have been made to define it as Zen consciousness, but that&#39;s just elaboration.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;When the mind/body is &quot;given&quot; to the occasion, balanced, receptive, jiggling/vibrating with possibility--&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Olson called it proprioception, a kind of superconsciousness of one&#39;s location and being in the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111530781132906057'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111530781132906057'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115307780000#c111530781132906057' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 05, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111530614772901896</id><published>2005-05-05T11:15:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-05T11:15:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Sorry, I forgot to identify myself in the above po...</title><summary type='text'>Sorry, I forgot to identify myself in the above post.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;--CF</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111530614772901896'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111530614772901896'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115306100000#c111530614772901896' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 05, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111530609637523194</id><published>2005-05-05T11:14:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-05T11:14:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>We now believe Homer (or his surrogates, or subseq...</title><summary type='text'>We now believe Homer (or his surrogates, or subsequent collaborators, whatever...) actually sang his poem/poems around the fire, or in amphitheatres, from memory.  Making up new lines along the way, sort of analagous to traditional &quot;cadenzas&quot; (impromptu variations) by virtuoso pianists (a practice started in the 17th Century, but not much practiced today in concert halls).  That throws our notion</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111530609637523194'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111530609637523194'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115306040000#c111530609637523194' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 05, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111528706309415559</id><published>2005-05-05T05:57:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-05T05:57:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Reading aloud a previously written text, whether f...</title><summary type='text'>Reading aloud a previously written text, whether from memory or the page, can be a juggernaut of associations that your (perhaps trembling) voice must register and then deliver. There&#39;s sometimes a strange hiatus between what you (think you) hear and what (you think) your audience hears. Then there&#39;s moments when you all (think) (hear) the same thing.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111528706309415559'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111528706309415559'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115287020000#c111528706309415559' title=''/><author><name>Martin Edmond</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/15703987223264531057</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1595258319"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 05, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111524930932538228</id><published>2005-05-04T19:28:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T19:28:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Corso could recite all his poems by heart and many...</title><summary type='text'>Corso could recite all his poems by heart and many others, too, even very drunk.  He worked on the poems in his head sometimes for a decade, esp. as he got older.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Memorability seems to me to be an important criterion.  You have to remember, and enjoy remembering a work, and enjoy playing your mind over it.  Shakespeare certainly has that quality.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;KO</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111524930932538228'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111524930932538228'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115249280000#c111524930932538228' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111524398539279002</id><published>2005-05-04T17:59:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T17:59:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>A question: If I read argument or connected thread...</title><summary type='text'>A question: If I read argument or connected threads of thought-phrases in &quot;The Chinese Notebook&quot; (which I do), am I reading incorrectly? If the poem or piece of literature directs me to consider issues not specifically contained in the language of the text, is this merely parsimonious, or am I identifying possibilities of signification not intended by the author? It seems to me that opacity is </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111524398539279002'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111524398539279002'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115243940000#c111524398539279002' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111523921372519430</id><published>2005-05-04T16:40:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T16:40:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>MH Mike HMH Michael HaroldMH Michael HoermanI&#39;m ge...</title><summary type='text'>MH Mike H&lt;BR/&gt;MH Michael Harold&lt;BR/&gt;MH Michael Hoerman&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#39;m getting my MHs mixed up.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111523921372519430'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111523921372519430'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115239200000#c111523921372519430' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111523812905463282</id><published>2005-05-04T16:22:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T16:22:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron, you&#39;ve made some comments in the past about M...</title><summary type='text'>Ron, you&#39;ve made some comments in the past about Max Jacob re: &quot;SOQ&quot;.  Do you mean to associate MJ with SOQ?  This seems strange to me, maybe only because I quite like Max&#39;s poetry &amp; Billy C&#39;s et al makes want to wretch.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111523812905463282'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111523812905463282'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115238120000#c111523812905463282' title=''/><author><name>Mike H</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/18008007361237334363</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-616797262"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111523757642071560</id><published>2005-05-04T16:12:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T16:12:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I saw one just yesterday, out on Hope St.  He was ...</title><summary type='text'>I saw one just yesterday, out on Hope St.  He was eating a peanut butter &amp; jelly sandwich.  Where there&#39;s peanut butter, there&#39;s hope.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111523757642071560'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111523757642071560'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115237520000#c111523757642071560' title=''/><author><name>Henry Gould</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04783460308217456577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1417109118"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111523725152213094</id><published>2005-05-04T16:07:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T16:07:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Postmodernism in literature was driven underground...</title><summary type='text'>Postmodernism in literature was driven underground by literary Mannerists about about 30 years ago. It wasn&#39;t that it was dead (or just stunned) and it wasn&#39;t the next-next, new-new thing that bludgeoned it into silence. It very simply lost the &quot;high art&quot; culture war to conservative politics. It&#39;s practitioners are still out there, some underground, some on the street. For the most part, it is </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111523725152213094'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111523725152213094'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115237220000#c111523725152213094' title=''/><author><name>Michael Harold</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11165160971360124629</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-626236699"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111523377375021830</id><published>2005-05-04T15:09:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T15:09:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ashbery played the same role a few years later.  B...</title><summary type='text'>Ashbery played the same role a few years later.  But there&#39;s something regressive about all that negation of sense.  In fact the postmodernist poetry playpen got tiresome about 25 years ago.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111523377375021830'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111523377375021830'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115233740000#c111523377375021830' title=''/><author><name>Henry Gould</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04783460308217456577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1417109118"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111522462973398346</id><published>2005-05-04T12:37:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T12:37:00.001-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I think one aspect of the turn towards self-refere...</title><summary type='text'>I think one aspect of the turn towards self-referentiality in writing, is that the New Criticism tended to value coherent, and complex, reference, rendered in highly crafted, &quot;worked&quot; verse.  Like making ornate puzzles, in which every piece worked, fitted, functioned, and was perfectly balanced.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;When I was in the English Ph.D. program, we were constantly encouraged (browbeaten, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111522462973398346'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111522462973398346'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115224620001#c111522462973398346' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111522462933315599</id><published>2005-05-04T12:37:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T12:37:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron,When visiting your blog, a blog in which you a...</title><summary type='text'>Ron,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;When visiting your blog, a blog in which you allow comments and commentators (even common taters) representative of every can in the cupboard, I have always tried to be circumspect and somewhat deferential. Today I have to say, “No way, Dude.”&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;People recite poetry from memory for a number of reasons: 1) To get a date (while a high school or college student) with a pretty </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111522462933315599'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111522462933315599'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115224620000#c111522462933315599' title=''/><author><name>Michael Harold</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11165160971360124629</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-626236699"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111522378741383578</id><published>2005-05-04T12:23:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T12:23:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>You introduce the Buddhist concept of mindfulness ...</title><summary type='text'>You introduce the Buddhist concept of mindfulness to elucidate the new sentence&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;One of the advantages of the new sentence – indeed, perhaps its primary advantage – is that weaving together works from disparate sentences (or lines), the reader is prohibited from generalizing their experience save for in the most general ways, prosodically or through an abstract apprehension (bordering </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111522378741383578'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111522378741383578'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115223780000#c111522378741383578' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111522047575793031</id><published>2005-05-04T11:27:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T11:27:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>But I distrust the distrust. A memorized poem is n...</title><summary type='text'>But I distrust the distrust. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A memorized poem is not a poem that is there all at once - there is still a process of reading it, even if it&#39;s out of your own memory banks. I know some Shks sonnets by heart, but do you think as I remember my way through &quot;from beautious creatures wee desyre increase&quot; I really have the least brainpower left over for anticipating line 10? It doesn&#39;t work </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111522047575793031'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111522047575793031'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115220420000#c111522047575793031' title=''/><author><name>Michael Peverett</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/17090710369630916194</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-566691718"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111522032645523392</id><published>2005-05-04T11:25:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T11:25:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>So... the dual construct SoQ/post-avant is rooted ...</title><summary type='text'>So... the dual construct SoQ/post-avant is rooted in a more basic duality inherent in language.  There is a referential-cognitive function, and then there is a sensuous-material function (which becomes, in recitation, something like Buddhist meditation/chant).&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The 20th century was a great time for self-referentiality, non-referentiality, language games, formalism.  It was the age of </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111522032645523392'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111522032645523392'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115220300000#c111522032645523392' title=''/><author><name>Henry Gould</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04783460308217456577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1417109118"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111521877986700534</id><published>2005-05-04T10:59:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T10:59:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Reading without being aware of reading... let&#39;s do...</title><summary type='text'>Reading without being aware of reading... let&#39;s don&#39;t drive on the same highways at the same time.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Seriously, though - thank you for clarifying Olson&#39;s comments about Lear and Melville - first time they&#39;ve made complete sense to me. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Could you say more about Edgar&#39;s soliloquy as the new sentence avant la lettre? &quot;Edgar I nothing am&quot; sounds straight-up latinate, complete with </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111521877986700534'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111521877986700534'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115218740000#c111521877986700534' title=''/><author><name>Jordan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10451174274596699645</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1484709122"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111521622442395224</id><published>2005-05-04T10:17:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T10:17:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I also value the feeling of &quot;the burn&quot; after readi...</title><summary type='text'>I also value the feeling of &quot;the burn&quot; after reading, but find this act of weightlifting in reading is the mind struggling for referentiality, thematic completion or at least a sense of wholeness, which it doesn&#39;t arrive at. Why not allow the mind what it tends toward? Give it  generalizations, &quot;images,&quot; small series of them, and present the difficulty as generalizing these abstractly at the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111521622442395224'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111521622442395224'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115216220000#c111521622442395224' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111521180536570114</id><published>2005-05-04T09:03:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T09:03:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>In so much of your &quot;argumentative text,&quot; I see a d...</title><summary type='text'>In so much of your &quot;argumentative text,&quot; I see a distillation of the New Criticism.  You value poetics that centers around the language itself, the precise moment of the words as they are spoken, the word-line-poem in that order... The ultimate &quot;close reading,&quot; and certainly an act of readership akin to weight-lifting.  I am deeply skeptical of a poetics turned inward on itself, though, that </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111521180536570114'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111488872491724479/comments/default/111521180536570114'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html?showComment=1115211780000#c111521180536570114' title=''/><author><name>Jehza</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09527708835511076143</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/whenever-ive-been-paired-up-at-reading.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111488872491724479' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111488872491724479' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-355639647"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 04, 2005"/></entry></feed>