<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post111651248915587323..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>32</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111741947501819678</id><published>2005-05-29T22:17:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-29T22:17:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Gregory Corso was devoted to poetry but addicted t...</title><summary type='text'>Gregory Corso was devoted to poetry but addicted to heroin. I met him while interviewing Allen Ginsberg. Ginsberg suggested I interview Corso. Three months later, after reading a everything Corso wrote and everything written on him, the interview happened at WKCR-FM and afterwards I had arranged for him to be paid $300 to read at Columbia.. He would frequently stay at my place on West 94th.. I </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111741947501819678'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111741947501819678'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1117419420000#c111741947501819678' title=''/><author><name>Michael Andre</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14980886148410840663</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-621938716"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 29, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111696736364433126</id><published>2005-05-24T16:42:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-24T16:42:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I can&#39;t believe that picture.</title><summary type='text'>I can&#39;t believe that picture.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111696736364433126'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111696736364433126'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116967320000#c111696736364433126' title=''/><author><name>Lon Silliman</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05557544995428892686</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1747027750"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111695661700308143</id><published>2005-05-24T13:43:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-24T13:43:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Why must you wade a personality at all?  There are...</title><summary type='text'>Why must you wade a personality at all?  There are so many better first, second, third, fourth, and fifth options for evaluating a poetry.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111695661700308143'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111695661700308143'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116956580000#c111695661700308143' title=''/><author><name>Lester</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04219479023387881600</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1478288716"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111695168065523024</id><published>2005-05-24T12:21:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-24T12:21:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron, so far I have gotten about a half dozen Corso...</title><summary type='text'>Ron, so far I have gotten about a half dozen Corso anecdotes and all of them seem usable.  Can I use yours?  Also, when did your Corso sighting occur?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;-- Kirby</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111695168065523024'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111695168065523024'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116951660000#c111695168065523024' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111692865104398152</id><published>2005-05-24T05:57:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-24T05:57:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The &#39;you can&#39;t get away from it&#39; aspect of The Gre...</title><summary type='text'>The &#39;you can&#39;t get away from it&#39; aspect of The Great Divide is that the poets on one side of the divide just Sound Different from those on the other (where sound includes semantics as well as phonemics obviously).  Or they do to me.  I have to assume that other ears don&#39;t hear that way.  I do sympathise with the &#39;Let&#39;s all play nice together like Good Children&#39; sentiment--clearly one would do so </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111692865104398152'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111692865104398152'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116928620000#c111692865104398152' title=''/><author><name>JOT</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09756398976763474877</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1767866104"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111690845444038374</id><published>2005-05-24T00:20:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-24T00:20:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I just reread Ron&#39;s post and wanted to comment (on...</title><summary type='text'>I just reread Ron&#39;s post and wanted to comment (once again!) further.  Before quoting the Corso poem, Ron writes, &quot;Characterizing the Beats as SoQ because they represented a return to romanticism in American letters, and because some used traditional forms on occasion, is like calling Chomsky a Republican because he teaches at a science school. It makes me want to twitch with its ahistoricity.&quot;&lt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111690845444038374'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111690845444038374'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116908400000#c111690845444038374' title=''/><author><name>Matt Merlino</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/15356783127504854049</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1135783178"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111690474039911155</id><published>2005-05-23T23:19:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T23:19:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;Thom Gunn’s championing of Briggflats as the fine...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;Thom Gunn’s championing of Briggflats as the finest poem ever written &quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;in my book, Poet&#39;s Bookshelf: Contemporary Poets on the Books that Shaped Their Art (Barnwood Press), which is what i assume Ron is refering to, Gunn said that Briggflats is the greatest poem of the 20th century, not &quot;ever.&quot; This might seem like a small thing to pick on, but there is a difference. Besides what would</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111690474039911155'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111690474039911155'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116904740000#c111690474039911155' title=''/><author><name>pete</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12305121143707626852</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1583786322"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111690360077926236</id><published>2005-05-23T23:00:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T23:00:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>HI  Ron I knew corso in san francisco also- here i...</title><summary type='text'>HI  Ron I knew corso in san francisco also- here in new york he always seemed like he was in a hurry to score  nice poem. I always found it hard to keep up with him, his drinking, drugging and general zest for life. I met Deborah Remington, last year, she is a painter and who formed the six gallery in SF where Ginsberg first read Howl. I am a painter and when I was with Corso we met Philip Guston</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111690360077926236'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111690360077926236'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116903600000#c111690360077926236' title=''/><author><name>Frank Shifreen</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/18017289320082551177</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-28428166"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111689497330437654</id><published>2005-05-23T20:36:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T20:36:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I don&#39;t have much substantial or well-thought out ...</title><summary type='text'>I don&#39;t have much substantial or well-thought out to contribute here, but I do have to say that Ron&#39;s anecdote about seeing Corso in a liquor store in San Francisco strangely resonated with the letter by Matt Hart posted below. It seems as if, in a way, all of the masculine pigeon-holing (as Stefan characterized it earlier)that has been going on regarding the SoQ and mainstream poets and Brahmins</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111689497330437654'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111689497330437654'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116894960000#c111689497330437654' title=''/><author><name>MLSJX</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/17035734659516328243</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-720526619"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111688534906534027</id><published>2005-05-23T17:55:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T17:55:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Your acount of Thom Gunn edits out the fact that h...</title><summary type='text'>Your acount of Thom Gunn edits out the fact that he was a Cambridge {UK} graduate -- 1954 [?]-- as if that had nothing to do wih his  career in the U.S. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In the mid-50s in Cambridge he was remembered as a signifcant new poet. &amp; he could not have avoided F.R.Leavis and British New Criticism at that time: even its opponenmts talked about it all the time.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111688534906534027'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111688534906534027'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116885300000#c111688534906534027' title=''/><author><name>Tony Green</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13492210498538450577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-870372789"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111688256201349070</id><published>2005-05-23T17:09:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T17:09:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>stephanI was beginning to think that my comment go...</title><summary type='text'>stephan&lt;BR/&gt;I was beginning to think that my comment got lost in all of the academic postings that seem to dominate this set of comments. Your quote was right on and thanks for hearing what I had to say without my having to resort to pedantics.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111688256201349070'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111688256201349070'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116882540000#c111688256201349070' title=''/><author><name>Pris</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03970753027686923295</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-2102071197"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111687657196562176</id><published>2005-05-23T15:29:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T15:29:00.001-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Love your blog.Just added a link.Check it out:http...</title><summary type='text'>Love your blog.&lt;BR/&gt;Just added a link.&lt;BR/&gt;Check it out:&lt;BR/&gt;http://shakespearesnotdead.blogspot.com&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Keep up the great work.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111687657196562176'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111687657196562176'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116876540001#c111687657196562176' title=''/><author><name>.</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16401525140849495083</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1368081000"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111687654952497738</id><published>2005-05-23T15:29:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T15:29:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Corso&#39;s was a very laborious process.  Although Ke...</title><summary type='text'>Corso&#39;s was a very laborious process.  Although Kerouac&#39;s famous dictum &quot;first thought best thought&quot; has come to be taken as gospel about Beat writing, Ginsberg admitted to me that they all tailored their work.  Corso wrote many many versions of his poems and was always working on them and he said at Naropa that editing was the most important aspect of writing a poem.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;He worked very </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111687654952497738'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111687654952497738'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116876540000#c111687654952497738' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111687012671173841</id><published>2005-05-23T13:42:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T13:42:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I think of Corso as the Ol&#39; Dirty Bastard of the B...</title><summary type='text'>I think of Corso as the Ol&#39; Dirty Bastard of the Beats, always great.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I would have to say that the English poet Michael Hofmann defies the Post Avant and School of Quietude categories. His last book, &quot;Approximately Nowehere&quot; (Faber, 1999), is fantastic. And as a translator, his versions of German poet Durs Grunbein are also quite good.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;--Guillermo Parra</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111687012671173841'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111687012671173841'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116870120000#c111687012671173841' title=''/><author><name>GJPW</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13383940105241352465</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-669631030"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111686966610402529</id><published>2005-05-23T13:34:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T13:34:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Weird. In all the us vs. them speak thrust upon us...</title><summary type='text'>Weird. In all the us vs. them speak thrust upon us here, I managed six years of university study without having to read Lowell &amp;ct. Yet I was forced to read much of the beats at some point or another.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111686966610402529'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111686966610402529'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116869640000#c111686966610402529' title=''/><author><name>Jason Bredle</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/18375914505959697747</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-670432993"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111686546901705116</id><published>2005-05-23T12:24:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T12:24:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I love the baseball analogy.  My mother took care ...</title><summary type='text'>I love the baseball analogy.  My mother took care -- in a certain way -- of more than one of these school of quietude guys:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt; &quot;I started my great writer fantasy baseball league back in 57 when the poet X was living with my mother in our place in Cape May, N.J. he was just one of my mother&#39;s poetic lovers. In fact, you can pick up an old Oscar William&#39;s anthology and see most of these guys</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111686546901705116'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111686546901705116'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116865440000#c111686546901705116' title=''/><author><name>The Lonliest Ranger</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04553452316213699421</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-51480464"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111686363394972402</id><published>2005-05-23T11:53:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T11:53:00.002-04:00</updated><title type='text'></title><summary type='text'>This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111686363394972402'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111686363394972402'/><author><name>Laura Carter</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16936549737323400532</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name='blogger.contentRemoved' value='true'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-843607452"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111686363054442478</id><published>2005-05-23T11:53:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T11:53:00.001-04:00</updated><title type='text'>If SoQ is in some sense an &quot;institution&quot; with mark...</title><summary type='text'>If SoQ is in some sense an &quot;institution&quot; with marked characteristics, then I continue to be perplexed by my own experiences as a student, if I am really paying attention.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I have been pushed to react against both &quot;sides,&quot; so to speak, but only by particular writers, particular people, particular interactions. I have lost interest in keeping score.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111686363054442478'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111686363054442478'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116863580001#c111686363054442478' title=''/><author><name>Laura Carter</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16936549737323400532</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-843607452"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111686361566245021</id><published>2005-05-23T11:53:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T11:53:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>A close reader and listener of both Hughes and Ker...</title><summary type='text'>A close reader and listener of both Hughes and Kerouac will find the parallels. Their similar vernacular is obvious, even while it&#39;s equally obvious they were doing very different things with it. That Kerouac came to the vernacular less organically probably accounts for his innovations/variations with that vernacular. Yet despite that they were each doing their own thing with it, it&#39;s hard not to</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111686361566245021'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111686361566245021'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116863580000#c111686361566245021' title=''/><author><name>hackzkztv</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04809989461583195705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1003761333"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111686261661257905</id><published>2005-05-23T11:36:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T11:36:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>There is a beautiful poem by the Third Patriarch o...</title><summary type='text'>There is a beautiful poem by the Third Patriarch of Chinese Buddhism (c.600AD) which states&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;Without recognising the mysterious principle&lt;BR/&gt;It is useless to practice quietude&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As Pris points out, for many of us getting turned off poetry at school by bad teaching, the Beats were the only way out of SoQ. Kerouac&#39;s jazz writings may be embarrassing now but at 16 they were a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111686261661257905'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111686261661257905'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116862560000#c111686261661257905' title=''/><author><name>stefen</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05855987428686809866</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-543969392"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111686248991877343</id><published>2005-05-23T11:34:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T11:34:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Great photo! Thanks, I&#39;ve never seen it before &amp; i...</title><summary type='text'>Great photo! Thanks, I&#39;ve never seen it before &amp; it made my morning!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;--Gary Sullivan</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111686248991877343'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111686248991877343'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116862440000#c111686248991877343' title=''/><author><name>Gary</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06115441682219034891</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-350671799"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111686116190473625</id><published>2005-05-23T11:12:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T11:12:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>___In one sense, the bi-partite division of Americ...</title><summary type='text'>___&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In one sense, the bi-partite division of American poetry is simply non-controversial.  It&#39;s a banal fact, not very interesting to harp on, but impossible to deny.  That is, everyone knows that the division exists and that Ginsberg/O&#39;Hara/Creeley/Spicer fall on one side of this division.  I think Ron&#39;s exasperation with the idea that Ginsberg belongs to the SoQ is understandable.  Why</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111686116190473625'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111686116190473625'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116861120000#c111686116190473625' title=''/><author><name>Jonathan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1218785319"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111685990326109285</id><published>2005-05-23T10:51:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T10:51:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Michael, I&#39;m pretty certain that Corso wrote that ...</title><summary type='text'>Michael, I&#39;m pretty certain that Corso wrote that poem Ron quotes after meeting Robert Lowell.  I believe that he says so in the Michael Andre interview in Unmuzzled Ox.  I would have to dig it up, but he also says he&#39;s sorry about it.  One of the neat things about Corso is that he did usually apologize when he realized he had gone too far.  He loved redemption, or so it seemed to me, and he </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111685990326109285'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111685990326109285'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116859860000#c111685990326109285' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111685867206708628</id><published>2005-05-23T10:31:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T10:31:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron,Am reminded by your mention of R. Lowell&#39;s Bra...</title><summary type='text'>Ron,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Am reminded by your mention of R. Lowell&#39;s Brahmin status, and by KO&#39;s description of Lowell&#39;s coming-to-see-the-light and allowing a Beat influence into his poetry, of a letter published in the New Yorker (12/27/04), from R. Lowell&#39;s letters to E. Bishop. The letter is dated 4/7/59. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Lowell says &quot;The other night Ginsberg, Corso, and Orlovsky came to call on me. ... They </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111685867206708628'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111685867206708628'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116858660000#c111685867206708628' title=''/><author><name>hackzkztv</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04809989461583195705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1003761333"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111685789453870914</id><published>2005-05-23T10:18:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T10:18:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>My background is work as a Clinical Psychologist, ...</title><summary type='text'>My background is work as a Clinical Psychologist, so I can&#39;t speak for the academics of poetry here. Rather, from the viewpoint of beginning poet and admirer of the forms. Suffice it to say, I loved poetry in my youth, had that love crushed out of me in my university poetry classes by an overzealous teacher who saw sexual meaning behind every poem and insisted we did, too.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Before going </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111685789453870914'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111651248915587323/comments/default/111685789453870914'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html?showComment=1116857880000#c111685789453870914' title=''/><author><name>Pris</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03970753027686923295</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/allen-ginsberg-which-is-why-thom-gunns.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111651248915587323' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111651248915587323' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-2102071197"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2005"/></entry></feed>