<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post111971028416060885..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>12</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112022678654562658</id><published>2005-07-01T10:06:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-07-01T10:06:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Arlee,That&#39;s Joe Green, a.k.a. Rin Tin Tin, the Lo...</title><summary type='text'>Arlee,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;That&#39;s Joe Green, a.k.a. Rin Tin Tin, the Lonliest Ranger, and Monsieur Literary Lifter.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112022678654562658'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112022678654562658'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html?showComment=1120226760000#c112022678654562658' title=''/><author><name>C.W.</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03815177631772718237</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111971028416060885' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111971028416060885' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-795744874"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="July 01, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112022213096223271</id><published>2005-07-01T08:48:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-07-01T08:48:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Thanks Curtis,Just now literally, minutes ago,have...</title><summary type='text'>Thanks Curtis,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Just now literally, minutes ago,have come across your remarks.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Need to rummage through your comments some more, to get at this aspect of your assertion that the individual as  founding &#39;measure&#39;(?),as  &#39;origination&#39;.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You and Ron don&#39;t seem so far apart.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;***&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;wherein the ideas present themselves sensuously and intelligently and are of no </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112022213096223271'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112022213096223271'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html?showComment=1120222080000#c112022213096223271' title=''/><author><name>Arlee Christian</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08200416510821299942</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111971028416060885' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111971028416060885' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-551028600"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="July 01, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112007741983863601</id><published>2005-06-29T16:36:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2005-06-29T16:36:00.001-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The placement of the comma deliberate by the by.  ...</title><summary type='text'>The placement of the comma deliberate by the by.  To hell with social context.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112007741983863601'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112007741983863601'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html?showComment=1120077360001#c112007741983863601' title=''/><author><name>Lon Silliman</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05557544995428892686</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111971028416060885' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111971028416060885' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1747027750"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 29, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112007736380467248</id><published>2005-06-29T16:36:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-06-29T16:36:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ah, but, as we Shakespearean scholars, know the “I...</title><summary type='text'>Ah, but, as we Shakespearean scholars, know the “I” that notices context etc. might not notice that its “I” is determined in ways that can’t be accessed even to overcome.  For example, the aristocrat of let’s say the Renaissance (and we are being very vague here because the point is general) sees who he is in the “Courtly Mirror.”  You know – all of that looking “outside” to determine who you are</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112007736380467248'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112007736380467248'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html?showComment=1120077360000#c112007736380467248' title=''/><author><name>Lon Silliman</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05557544995428892686</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111971028416060885' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111971028416060885' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1747027750"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 29, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112006327660146573</id><published>2005-06-29T12:41:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-06-29T12:41:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Dear Arlee:The Oppen statement was only speculativ...</title><summary type='text'>Dear Arlee:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The Oppen statement was only speculative.  We know that Oppen suffered from Alzheimer&#39;s, and his last poems (in Seascape) seem possibly to reflect that.  I was using the possibility of a physical problem as an example of something personal, accidental, which has a more direct effect on the individual to whom it occurs, than &quot;outside&quot; forces.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ron&#39;s position as a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112006327660146573'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112006327660146573'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html?showComment=1120063260000#c112006327660146573' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111971028416060885' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111971028416060885' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 29, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112005769612161107</id><published>2005-06-29T11:08:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-06-29T11:08:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>This seems absurd in some way, and Ron and Curtis ...</title><summary type='text'>This seems absurd in some way, and Ron and Curtis are &#39;conflating&#39; various threads into something here I&#39;m not following. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#39;m angry at Mr. Faville&#39;s use of the word &#39;impotence&#39; here with the a&#39;age&#39; of 59?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Sorry.I&#39;m not connecting with this idea of Oppen&#39;s impotence, or the &#39;thread&#39; of biography and social constrictions or upheavals as measuring the body&#39;s detonation.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112005769612161107'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112005769612161107'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html?showComment=1120057680000#c112005769612161107' title=''/><author><name>Arlee Christian</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08200416510821299942</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111971028416060885' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111971028416060885' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-551028600"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 29, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112005482130183910</id><published>2005-06-29T10:20:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-06-29T10:20:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Maybe you still carry the fire in your belly.  I&#39;m...</title><summary type='text'>Maybe you still carry the fire in your belly.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#39;m suggesting that the reason(s) a writer &quot;ages&quot; or &quot;mellows out&quot; might have simpler etiologies than some grand historical imperative.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#39;m looking forward to future posts that address the question of aging in poets.  Moving from Quietude to free verse, or visa versa.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;E.g., I think Hecht kept pushing his formality </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112005482130183910'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112005482130183910'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html?showComment=1120054800000#c112005482130183910' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111971028416060885' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111971028416060885' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 29, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112002100786618501</id><published>2005-06-29T00:56:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-06-29T00:56:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis,Are you telling me that I&#39;m still too young...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Are you telling me that I&#39;m &lt;I&gt;still&lt;/I&gt; too young?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112002100786618501'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112002100786618501'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html?showComment=1120020960000#c112002100786618501' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111971028416060885' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111971028416060885' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 29, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112001626853019951</id><published>2005-06-28T23:37:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-06-28T23:37:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron: This is a very interesting post, the gist of ...</title><summary type='text'>Ron: This is a very interesting post, the gist of which we&#39;ve rapped about before.  I think individual biography plays a larger part in the arc of individual careers than we give credit for, though I have found myself arguing on the opposite side of that debate (when social and political events are cited as generators of motivation).  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In other words, the vicissitudes (turns and </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112001626853019951'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/112001626853019951'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html?showComment=1120016220000#c112001626853019951' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111971028416060885' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111971028416060885' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 28, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111994970516221605</id><published>2005-06-28T05:08:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-06-28T05:08:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>to merzbook: well, no you couldn&#39;t usefully apply ...</title><summary type='text'>to merzbook: well, no you couldn&#39;t usefully apply this to every poet anymore than you could cover the topic in a short post. but certain poets like Anselm Hollo and George Bowering sometimes make an extraordinary virtue of just being relaxed - trusting themselves, trusting the movement of the poem, trusting also that language is inherently interesting and even that language is itself probably </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/111994970516221605'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/111994970516221605'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html?showComment=1119949680000#c111994970516221605' title=''/><author><name>donatoma</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14017357180966465320</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111971028416060885' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111971028416060885' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-826782057"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 28, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111994504451766360</id><published>2005-06-28T03:50:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-06-28T03:50:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>So what about yourself, do you feel more relaxed w...</title><summary type='text'>So what about yourself, do you feel more relaxed with regards to your poetry now than you did 25 years ago?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/111994504451766360'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/111994504451766360'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html?showComment=1119945000000#c111994504451766360' title=''/><author><name>Lars Palm</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/18014279624033048950</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111971028416060885' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111971028416060885' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1490930370"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 28, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111993836335333071</id><published>2005-06-28T01:59:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-06-28T01:59:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>There&#39;s something impractical with comparing work ...</title><summary type='text'>There&#39;s something impractical with comparing work between stages of a poet&#39;s life, esp. in terms of &quot;relaxation&quot;. Does this imply the young poet is perpetually uptight? the elder statesman irrevokeably unfrenzied? This seems to neglect account for re-invention in a poet&#39;s career, for starting over. Doesn&#39;t Williams himself criticize his own poems in Spring &amp; All, as he&#39;s writing them, for being </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/111993836335333071'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111971028416060885/comments/default/111993836335333071'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html?showComment=1119938340000#c111993836335333071' title=''/><author><name>Carton Tragedy</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06542989177956491967</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/06/george-oppen-main-body-of-paterson.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111971028416060885' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111971028416060885' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1629265714"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 28, 2005"/></entry></feed>