<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post112727672444650674..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>8</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112784694250020931</id><published>2005-09-27T14:49:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-09-27T14:49:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Oh, just to derail a bad parallel: I&#39;m not trying ...</title><summary type='text'>Oh, just to derail a bad parallel: I&#39;m not trying to say that &quot;Eclogs&quot; is like &quot;Ulysses.&quot; In any way, really.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default/112784694250020931'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default/112784694250020931'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html?showComment=1127846940000#c112784694250020931' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112727672444650674' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112727672444650674' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="September 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112784681826011870</id><published>2005-09-27T14:46:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-09-27T14:46:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis,I &quot;dig.&quot; But I just don&#39;t feel that Melnick...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I &quot;dig.&quot; But I just don&#39;t feel that Melnick&#39;s writing calls for the degree of explication &amp; explanantion you claim it does. The lines you cited in an earlier comment (&quot;garage/door/opium/system&quot;) don&#39;t immediately identify themselves as the kind of reference that a proper name like Cordier&#39;s clearly does. So there&#39;s a big difference between this and Pound, where nearly every line </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default/112784681826011870'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default/112784681826011870'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html?showComment=1127846760000#c112784681826011870' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112727672444650674' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112727672444650674' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="September 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112767150338620699</id><published>2005-09-25T14:05:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-09-25T14:05:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Andy:I understand your position completely.  Think...</title><summary type='text'>Andy:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I understand your position completely.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Think, for a moment, about what an Author implicitly demands of his reader.  When I read Coolidge, I know that none of his &quot;referents&quot; are required reading, because the words are used in a way that demands only that we appreciate the &quot;friction&quot; (as you call it) or polar attraction/repulsion between individual words or phrases.  But </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default/112767150338620699'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default/112767150338620699'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html?showComment=1127671500000#c112767150338620699' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112727672444650674' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112727672444650674' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="September 25, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112767022796502137</id><published>2005-09-25T13:43:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-09-25T13:43:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron: Who is &quot;the rich kid junky Warhol-hanger on&quot;?...</title><summary type='text'>Ron: Who is &quot;the rich kid junky Warhol-hanger on&quot;?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Gerard Malanga??</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default/112767022796502137'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default/112767022796502137'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html?showComment=1127670180000#c112767022796502137' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112727672444650674' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112727672444650674' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="September 25, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112761424632341964</id><published>2005-09-24T22:10:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-09-24T22:10:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I&#39;m puzzled by the preceding comments. My take on ...</title><summary type='text'>I&#39;m puzzled by the preceding comments. My take on what Ron wrote is this: in a text composed of largely disjunct fragments of language, the result isn&#39;t just indeterminate. The words on the page are just those words in just that relation to one another (an obvious material fact). All of the words have meanings. Any word carries with it the residue of contexts it has inhabited, or could inhabit, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default/112761424632341964'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default/112761424632341964'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html?showComment=1127614200000#c112761424632341964' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112727672444650674' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112727672444650674' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="September 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112759694146457501</id><published>2005-09-24T17:22:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-09-24T17:22:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Good art should be immediately comprehensible to e...</title><summary type='text'>Good art should be immediately comprehensible to every human being is what I think Curtis and Brian are saying, or should at least be available after some effort.  Otherwise it&#39;s like a joke followed by the shrug of shoulders and the inevitable disclaimer, &quot;I guess you had to be there.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I do think that with a lot of work Marianne Moore&#39;s poems are available (although I don&#39;t think </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default/112759694146457501'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default/112759694146457501'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html?showComment=1127596920000#c112759694146457501' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112727672444650674' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112727672444650674' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="September 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112759464311049501</id><published>2005-09-24T16:44:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-09-24T16:44:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I would agree with Curtis Facille on this one -- I...</title><summary type='text'>I would agree with Curtis Facille on this one -- I found &quot;Hasty Fields&quot; a pretty obscure (read unsatisfactory) read.  For example, simply naming Andrew Cordier does not suffice for me.  A name may denote a whole reality, but if I say &quot;Burkina Faso&quot;, does that convey the whole reality of that country unless I&#39;ve lived it?  Isn&#39;t a poet&#39;s job to evoke connotation through language rather than just </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default/112759464311049501'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default/112759464311049501'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html?showComment=1127594640000#c112759464311049501' title=''/><author><name>Brian Campbell</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/17182888011015400963</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112727672444650674' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112727672444650674' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1565548225"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="September 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112757847543839041</id><published>2005-09-24T12:14:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-09-24T12:14:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron:  I would disagree that the ultimate eventuali...</title><summary type='text'>Ron:  I would disagree that the ultimate eventuality of the poem is NOT &quot;the same sort of exegetical excavation methods Hugh Kenner brought to the work of Pound &amp; Joyce&quot;--else what sorts of gratuitous &quot;meaning&quot; are we as readers to assign to otherwise impenetrable reference?  Much of the Pisan Cantos is meaningless if we aren&#39;t privy to its referents.  Ditto with Eliot&#39;s early poems, especially </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default/112757847543839041'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112727672444650674/comments/default/112757847543839041'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html?showComment=1127578440000#c112757847543839041' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-melnicks-hasty-fields-reminds-me.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112727672444650674' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112727672444650674' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="September 24, 2005"/></entry></feed>