<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post112956446195157487..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>26</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112984084147980252</id><published>2005-10-20T16:40:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-20T16:40:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Well, I&#39;ve done that and the result -- damn fine p...</title><summary type='text'>Well, I&#39;ve done that and the result -- damn fine poesy.  You should come up to Yellow Knife where no-one has &quot;Little Professor&quot; syndrome and where we hear that there are wars against Aesthetic Idealism (although we don&#39;t (thank you Mr Hemingway)go to them anymore).  Wallace Stevens sitting there in &quot;The Palm at the End of the Mind.&quot;  We can both eye him warily.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Then the fun can begin and</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112984084147980252'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112984084147980252'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129840800000#c112984084147980252' title=''/><author><name>Lon Silliman</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05557544995428892686</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1747027750"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 20, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112983661187029858</id><published>2005-10-20T15:30:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-20T15:30:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron, I don’t think that’s Meltzer’s Jewish backgro...</title><summary type='text'>Ron, &lt;BR/&gt;I don’t think that’s Meltzer’s Jewish background has much to do with any apparent ‘neglect.’ I mean look at Ginsberg, as you point out. His Jewish background didn’t hold him back. I think you’re on surer footing when you point out that David doesn’t toot his own horn (no pun intended). Still, I don’t think David’s work is really neglected in poetry circles. Having all those books out by</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112983661187029858'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112983661187029858'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129836600000#c112983661187029858' title=''/><author><name>K. Fitzgerald</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/17365248262865700789</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1255619128"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 20, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112983114584894011</id><published>2005-10-20T13:59:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-20T13:59:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Mean Joe,Maybe Poetry Chicago will become a daily ...</title><summary type='text'>Mean Joe,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Maybe Poetry Chicago will become a daily delivered to your doorstep for your dog to retrieve, and every issue will have your poem with a special introduction by Robert Bly.  Would that be enough?  If not or if that can’t be arranged, you may want to think things over.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Like lock yourself in, Charles Bernstein’s ‘A Poetics,’ Blonde on Blonde, a bottle of Jim Beam Rye, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112983114584894011'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112983114584894011'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129831140000#c112983114584894011' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 20, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112982606762371371</id><published>2005-10-20T12:34:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-20T12:34:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Oh, and the above work is a sonnet.</title><summary type='text'>Oh, and the above work is a sonnet.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112982606762371371'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112982606762371371'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129826040000#c112982606762371371' title=''/><author><name>Lon Silliman</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05557544995428892686</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1747027750"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 20, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112982524801294941</id><published>2005-10-20T12:20:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-20T12:20:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>How many allusions to Spenser can you find?  Or --...</title><summary type='text'>How many allusions to Spenser can you find?  Or -- how many vasty spaces transcended and laughed with?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112982524801294941'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112982524801294941'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129825200000#c112982524801294941' title=''/><author><name>Lon Silliman</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05557544995428892686</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1747027750"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 20, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112982433687863824</id><published>2005-10-20T12:05:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-20T12:05:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Beauty.Don&#39;t be left behind!</title><summary type='text'>Beauty.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Don&#39;t be left behind!</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112982433687863824'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112982433687863824'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129824300000#c112982433687863824' title=''/><author><name>Lon Silliman</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05557544995428892686</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1747027750"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 20, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112982177219526122</id><published>2005-10-20T11:22:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-20T11:22:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Dan to Curtis:I may be just a scout, but I&#39;m a goo...</title><summary type='text'>Dan to Curtis:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I may be just a scout, but I&#39;m a good scout.&lt;BR/&gt;(Depp played &#39;me&#39; in the movies.)&lt;BR/&gt;Good scouts know where the &#39;red meat&#39; is: Porn &amp; the occult.&lt;BR/&gt;Gold is where you find it. Buy cheap, sell dear...&lt;BR/&gt;Words to live by...</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112982177219526122'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112982177219526122'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129821720000#c112982177219526122' title=''/><author><name>Dan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01390053646668652290</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-857295758"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 20, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112982157231362853</id><published>2005-10-20T11:19:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-20T11:19:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Rant.</title><summary type='text'>Rant.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112982157231362853'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112982157231362853'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129821540000#c112982157231362853' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 20, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112981599682149827</id><published>2005-10-20T09:46:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-20T09:46:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Well, Ian, Actually I have dealt with all this in ...</title><summary type='text'>Well, Ian, Actually I have dealt with all this in my great work below.  Here you go.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The Diamond at the End of Time&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A la carrera on the run again and the Federales&lt;BR/&gt;On my tail and I don’t mean the Federales but&lt;BR/&gt;True hounds of Hell but I WAS in Mexico.&lt;BR/&gt;“Much madness is divinest sense” and it was&lt;BR/&gt;Me that said that though Shakespeare would never admit it&lt;BR/&gt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112981599682149827'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112981599682149827'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129815960000#c112981599682149827' title=''/><author><name>Lon Silliman</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05557544995428892686</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1747027750"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 20, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112979086480841475</id><published>2005-10-20T02:47:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-20T02:47:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Everything you say undercuts what you&#39;ve said prev...</title><summary type='text'>Everything you say undercuts what you&#39;ve said previously.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112979086480841475'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112979086480841475'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129790820000#c112979086480841475' title=''/><author><name>ideaist.wordpress.com</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11326216841108224361</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-805121679"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 20, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112978108654666239</id><published>2005-10-20T00:04:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-20T00:04:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>In Boulder after a long day&#39;s flight (and I&#39;ll be ...</title><summary type='text'>In Boulder after a long day&#39;s flight (and I&#39;ll be home again before the sun rises Friday). There are some great bits in this comments stream today. Curtis, I don&#39;t disagree with you about the provisionality of association at all -- and I don&#39;t think it undercuts what I&#39;m saying in the slightest. (Think of Jack Gilbert in Spicer&#39;s Magick Workshop)</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112978108654666239'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112978108654666239'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129781040000#c112978108654666239' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 20, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112977300683852977</id><published>2005-10-19T21:50:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-19T21:50:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>To be an &quot;old Canto man&quot; and conclude after all th...</title><summary type='text'>To be an &quot;old Canto man&quot; and conclude after all that effort: &quot;Pound might have felt that there was a story to tell and he couldn&#39;t quite pull it off,&quot; concluding its devotees overlook the structure of Homer and Dante...&lt;BR/&gt;I feel your pain.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Sorry for accusing you of preferring Ransom.. &#39;from the darkness of the preWW2 years there was light.. and then Robert Lowell.. then Tom McGrath..&#39;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112977300683852977'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112977300683852977'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129773000000#c112977300683852977' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 19, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112976881717904039</id><published>2005-10-19T20:40:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-19T20:40:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>It&#39;s interesting to think of the different schools...</title><summary type='text'>It&#39;s interesting to think of the different schools of poetry and their STD rates.  I once heard that the denizens of SF have an almost 50% genital herpes rate.  So the SF poets would probably share that ratio, or perhaps would be even higher.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I can imagine that SOQ poets have significantly lower rates.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Brautigan apparently committed suicide after he learned he had herpes.  I </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112976881717904039'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112976881717904039'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129768800000#c112976881717904039' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 19, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112975518889901806</id><published>2005-10-19T16:53:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-19T16:53:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Dear Ian, all of that implied.  I&#39;m an old Canto m...</title><summary type='text'>Dear Ian, all of that implied.  I&#39;m an old Canto man. Of course I know all this. Can&#39;t throw me off that way.  Why should I mention this?  It&#39;s understood.  Everyone knows this and how boring it would be if one had to even mention it.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But if your point is that epic time excluded a present and was not just read that way and that Pound found a &quot;solution&quot; so clearing the way for this and </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112975518889901806'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112975518889901806'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129755180000#c112975518889901806' title=''/><author><name>Lon Silliman</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05557544995428892686</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1747027750"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 19, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112975077380742432</id><published>2005-10-19T15:39:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-19T15:39:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>To me Meltzer has always appeared to be the baby b...</title><summary type='text'>To me Meltzer has always appeared to be the baby brother &amp; the poems I&#39;ve seen in anthologies - probably early stuff, probably selected for reasons of biography rather than literature - didn&#39;t prepare me for something like the extract in this post. &lt;BR/&gt;Grouping poets may be fun, but is it ever useful, except in the cases when they promote themselves as a group?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Will we who comment here </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112975077380742432'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112975077380742432'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129750740000#c112975077380742432' title=''/><author><name>Lars Palm</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/18014279624033048950</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1490930370"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 19, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112975052943848155</id><published>2005-10-19T15:35:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-19T15:35:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>“if you pay attention to that poem (Odyssey), you ...</title><summary type='text'>“if you pay attention to that poem (Odyssey), you will see it is full of particulars of everyday life lifted to significance. Instance after instance of this.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Readers of poetry who read through filters such as the one imposed by trying to trace movements leading to this or that &quot;movement&quot; are always discovering what was always already there.”&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Mean Joe,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This is pretty </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112975052943848155'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112975052943848155'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129750500000#c112975052943848155' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 19, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112974960070918725</id><published>2005-10-19T15:20:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-19T15:20:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Dan:Cool!  Thanks for the tip(s)!</title><summary type='text'>Dan:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Cool!  Thanks for the tip(s)!</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112974960070918725'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112974960070918725'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129749600000#c112974960070918725' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 19, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112974939228520883</id><published>2005-10-19T15:16:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-19T15:16:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis:Here&#39;s a list of Meltzer&#39;s agit-smut (his w...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Here&#39;s a list of Meltzer&#39;s agit-smut (his word):&lt;BR/&gt;The Agency(&#39;68)&lt;BR/&gt;The Agent(&#39;68)&lt;BR/&gt;How Many Blocks in the Pile(&#39;68)&lt;BR/&gt;Orf(&#39;68)&lt;BR/&gt;The Martyr(&#39;68)&lt;BR/&gt;Lovely(&#39;69)&lt;BR/&gt;Healer(&#39;69)&lt;BR/&gt;Out(&#39;69)&lt;BR/&gt;Glue Factory(&#39;69)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;All as David Meltzer. All by Essex House.&lt;BR/&gt;The agency trilogy was republished in a single volume in the &#39;90s.&lt;BR/&gt;As a bookman you might be </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112974939228520883'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112974939228520883'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129749360000#c112974939228520883' title=''/><author><name>Dan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01390053646668652290</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-857295758"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 19, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112974322686772904</id><published>2005-10-19T13:33:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-19T13:33:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>What posterity wishes from us is concrete detail. ...</title><summary type='text'>What posterity wishes from us is concrete detail.  What we wouldn&#39;t give for a simple, accurate enumeration of the objects on Chaucer&#39;s desk!  For the printing studio of Blake.  How people went to the john in Pepys&#39; time.  The sexual habits of the Romans.  Etc.  Ginsberg&#39;s poem is a tiny particle in that database.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In the 22nd Century, people will be fascinated by Jackie Collins and </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112974322686772904'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112974322686772904'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129743180000#c112974322686772904' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 19, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112974193620438285</id><published>2005-10-19T13:12:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-19T13:12:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>But the epic has never distanced the writer or rea...</title><summary type='text'>But the epic has never distanced the writer or reader from the present tense. It&#39;s only the imposition of ways of thought centuries after the epic that seems to make the epic do this. The Divine Comedy, as an example, was all present tense -- everything being eternally present and the particulars and the lived present hence given significance and a divinity that is in one sense particularly </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112974193620438285'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112974193620438285'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129741920000#c112974193620438285' title=''/><author><name>Lon Silliman</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05557544995428892686</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1747027750"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 19, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112974173905558464</id><published>2005-10-19T13:08:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-19T13:08:00.001-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I was in the Berkeley Library Friends Bookstore un...</title><summary type='text'>I was in the Berkeley Library Friends Bookstore underneath the  Durant Avenue parking structure just off Telegraph a couple of months ago and ran into Miles Karpilow, who designed and created our Craftsman Style oak door back in 1991.  Miles filled me in on a little bookscouting history.  Back in the late 1950&#39;s, he and Larry McMurtry and David Meltzer were scouting used books together in the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112974173905558464'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112974173905558464'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129741680001#c112974173905558464' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 19, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112974173702500195</id><published>2005-10-19T13:08:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-19T13:08:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'></title><summary type='text'>This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112974173702500195'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112974173702500195'/><author><name>Lon Silliman</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05557544995428892686</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name='blogger.contentRemoved' value='true'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1747027750"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 19, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112973956999061679</id><published>2005-10-19T12:32:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-19T12:32:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>To belabor the sports metaphors further, there’s a...</title><summary type='text'>To belabor the sports metaphors further, there’s a Raymond Pettibone post card at the Phil. Art Museum left over from a show of his that with a drawing of a batter and the phrase “to choke up or not,” which I interpret as a meditation on large/ small epic/ fragment conflict, with the “choke up” pun on tears relevant.  For the benefit of foreign readers, home run hitters swing from the end of the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112973956999061679'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112973956999061679'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129739520000#c112973956999061679' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 19, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112973288489821610</id><published>2005-10-19T10:41:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-19T10:41:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Great post. Great topic. Meltzer&#39;s got it deep. &#39;A...</title><summary type='text'>Great post. Great topic. Meltzer&#39;s got it deep. &#39;Agit-smut&#39; to collections of Kabbalah. I&#39;ve seen old copies of TREE, a mag he and Hirschman edited.&lt;BR/&gt;I like your New Western idea. It fills in some gaps.&lt;BR/&gt;The cover of the book looks like Berman, or tries to.&lt;BR/&gt;I recall reading in POET BE LIKE GOD that some at the Sunday afternoon sessions thought his work, &#39;too long&#39;. Ha!&lt;BR/&gt;There&#39;s a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112973288489821610'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112973288489821610'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129732860000#c112973288489821610' title=''/><author><name>Dan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01390053646668652290</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-857295758"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 19, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112971851459737573</id><published>2005-10-19T06:41:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-10-19T06:41:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>What a brilliant analysis.  It was a pleasure to r...</title><summary type='text'>What a brilliant analysis.  It was a pleasure to read.  I can recall being a 20 year old on sabbatical from college in the winter of &#39;73.  I knew of Spicer, Whalen, etc. but their work was impossible to find in the dungeon of Eastern NC.  Having procured a temporary job in Washington DC, I was able to access their work as well as that of others in The Library of Congress.  It was a significant </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112971851459737573'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/112956446195157487/comments/default/112971851459737573'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html?showComment=1129718460000#c112971851459737573' title=''/><author><name>Carter Monroe</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10226788206068956050</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/10/ive-written-on-numerous-occasions-that.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-112956446195157487' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/112956446195157487' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1751728792"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 19, 2005"/></entry></feed>