<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post113129750585083944..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>49</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113228657730536150</id><published>2005-11-17T23:02:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-17T23:02:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Andy,Thanks for your comment. I never said field p...</title><summary type='text'>Andy,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thanks for your comment. I never said field poetry makes the line breaks &quot;obsolete&quot; my question was does field poetry render line breaks less critical than SoQ and other schools. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As for your McClure comment, I don&#39;t track you on that.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think it is remarkable that this thread continues.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Paul</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113228657730536150'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113228657730536150'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1132286520000#c113228657730536150' title=''/><author><name>Washington Poets Association</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14186338347578079141</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-679927556"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 17, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113225768146646922</id><published>2005-11-17T15:01:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-17T15:01:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Paul, It could be a distrust of the drive for the ...</title><summary type='text'>Paul, &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It could be a distrust of the drive for the a-rational in McClure. At least that would be my suspected beef with his stuff (I haven&#39;t read much of it in some time). Why should we have to choose between reason and animality?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Also, regarding your assertion that field composition makes questions of the line obsolete: I don&#39;t think it&#39;s so. The length of lines in a cluster on</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113225768146646922'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113225768146646922'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1132257660000#c113225768146646922' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 17, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113225624181792239</id><published>2005-11-17T14:37:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-17T14:37:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis,Thank you for the elaboration. I find your ...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thank you for the elaboration. I find your critiques to be intelligent and credible, though I am a McClure admirer. A couple of notes:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Capital letters in his work never suggest yelling, as they do in an email sense. This is according to Michael, but I can understand how one may not appreciate this technique.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The long poem Dolphin Skull is the most amazing poem I</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113225624181792239'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113225624181792239'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1132256220000#c113225624181792239' title=''/><author><name>SPlabman</name><uri>http://www.globalvoicesradio.org/paul-nelson.html</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 17, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113223825959509668</id><published>2005-11-17T09:37:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-17T09:37:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Michael established a distinct style early on, and...</title><summary type='text'>Michael established a distinct style early on, and he&#39;s stayed with it.  Since I&#39;ve never been an unqualified admirer of his work, I&#39;d have consequently to be critical of his consistency.  If I didn&#39;t like what he could do with that technique, on the evidence of what he HAS done, I could hardly be expected to believe in it as a persuasive style.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;MM&#39;s work--always &quot;growling&quot; or &quot;yelling&quot; </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113223825959509668'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113223825959509668'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1132238220000#c113223825959509668' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 17, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113216906761075871</id><published>2005-11-16T14:24:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-16T14:24:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis,I appreciate your response. I must say that...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I appreciate your response. I must say that I am inclined to disagree with you, knowing Projective Verse and Olson in general to be a HUGE influence on Michael. In fact, he&#39;s the only major poet I know that says he is writing projective verse. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I agree with the notion of the possibilities of huge failures in this mode, but isn&#39;t that the result of writing spontaneously, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113216906761075871'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113216906761075871'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1132169040000#c113216906761075871' title=''/><author><name>SPlabman</name><uri>http://www.globalvoicesradio.org/paul-nelson.html</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 16, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113209137589574778</id><published>2005-11-15T16:49:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-15T16:49:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>The McClure poem has a verticality to it that I fi...</title><summary type='text'>The McClure poem has a verticality to it that I find typical of his work, and of works of that kind generally.  The double parentheses enhances the explosive quality of CRUSHED and makes us feel the crumbling/cracking shell more vividly.  It also feels like trickery, or cheapness, does it not?  I mean, we flinch a little, followed by a little wince at the deception.  The exclamation point acts as</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113209137589574778'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113209137589574778'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1132091340000#c113209137589574778' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 15, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113203105072330550</id><published>2005-11-15T00:04:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-15T00:04:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis,Agreed, which makes the line breaks discuss...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Agreed, which makes the line breaks discussion somewhat less critical if you work with the impression, as Olson pointed out, that composition by field allows more energy into the poem. Like when you look at a &quot;stanza&quot; from McClure in, say, &quot;Dolphin Skull.&quot;  Or this haiku:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;OH ACCIDENT!&lt;BR/&gt;    Oh,&lt;BR/&gt;    per&lt;BR/&gt;   fect&lt;BR/&gt;((CRUSHED))&lt;BR/&gt;   snail&lt;BR/&gt;  ---LIKE&lt;BR/&gt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113203105072330550'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113203105072330550'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1132031040000#c113203105072330550' title=''/><author><name>splabman</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 15, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113197830328640667</id><published>2005-11-14T09:25:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-14T09:25:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Dear slabman:It&#39;s vitally important.  In Olson&#39;s w...</title><summary type='text'>Dear slabman:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It&#39;s vitally important.  In Olson&#39;s work, as in Eigner&#39;s, or Berrigan&#39;s, the &quot;breaks&quot; take on a more complex quality.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;Hovering&quot; words or &quot;floating phrases&quot; gain in velocity as the vectors of grammar and movement (both of the eye and the anticipating mind) are utilized to emphasize the qualities inherent among individual parts of poems.  Surprise and </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113197830328640667'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113197830328640667'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131978300000#c113197830328640667' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 14, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113193542246808048</id><published>2005-11-13T21:30:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-13T21:30:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I was disappointed the subject of FIELD compositio...</title><summary type='text'>I was disappointed the subject of FIELD composition did not come up in this dialogue. I&#39;d welcome thoughts about how the notion of linebreaks changes when working with field poetics.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113193542246808048'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113193542246808048'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131935400000#c113193542246808048' title=''/><author><name>Splabman</name><uri>http://www.splab.org</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113178549157996517</id><published>2005-11-12T03:51:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-12T03:51:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Poets nearly always get in trouble when they start...</title><summary type='text'>Poets nearly always get in trouble when they start talking about music. Differences in technical understanding, one might charitably suppose. Though a comparison of Schoenberg&#39;s Harmonielehre and Pound&#39;s or Eliot&#39;s or Williams&#39; attempts to codify their practices suggests that poetry remains the less disciplined discipline. LZ an obvious exception: &quot;If number, measure and weighing / Be taken away </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113178549157996517'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113178549157996517'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131785460000#c113178549157996517' title=''/><author><name>Kirk Johnson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05529898733002317995</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-895736745"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 12, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113176677667756076</id><published>2005-11-11T22:39:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-11T22:39:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Benjamin Barthsnatch gets two choices:1) Self-pity...</title><summary type='text'>Benjamin Barthsnatch gets two choices:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;1) Self-pity.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;2 Self-abnegation.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Either way, good riddance.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113176677667756076'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113176677667756076'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131766740000#c113176677667756076' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113174320644231710</id><published>2005-11-11T16:06:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-11T16:06:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>&#39;If he wishes to carry on a private war with other...</title><summary type='text'>&#39;If he wishes to carry on a private war with other posters, he might consider doing so in private, rather than clogging up Ron&#39;s squawkbox with personal diatribe.&#39;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Code for: &#39;Don&#39;t come around here, unless you allow me carte blanche to distort your statements and assassinate your character while hearkening meekly to my rambling miscellany of nothing .&#39;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Loud and clear. We see no </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113174320644231710'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113174320644231710'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131743160000#c113174320644231710' title=''/><author><name>ideaist.wordpress.com</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11326216841108224361</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-805121679"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113174211757810536</id><published>2005-11-11T15:48:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-11T15:48:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>My post last night muddled up two things I was try...</title><summary type='text'>My post last night muddled up two things I was trying to get at. That&#39;s what I get for writing at 4 a.m. after a few drinks.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;Polyphony&quot; was meant specifically to describe the sense of at least two kinds of measure going on at once whenever there&#39;s enjambment of any kind, at least in poetry that&#39;s not based on strict numbering of stress patterns. One progression has the line as its unit;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113174211757810536'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113174211757810536'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131742080000#c113174211757810536' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113173259747764817</id><published>2005-11-11T13:09:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-11T13:09:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I just want to know who I can attribute the monike...</title><summary type='text'>I just want to know who I can attribute the moniker &quot;Benjamin Barthsnatch&quot; to (quite aside from its use here) so I can express my gratitude.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113173259747764817'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113173259747764817'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131732540000#c113173259747764817' title=''/><author><name>joe green</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12257285616529795340</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1849826838"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113172677816810562</id><published>2005-11-11T11:32:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-11T11:32:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Andy:  At a high level of abstraction, when words ...</title><summary type='text'>Andy:  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;At a high level of abstraction, when words are spoken, they do share with music a sound componant.  But the speaking voice is not, in very important ways, music as we practice it.  When the human voice is used to &quot;sing&quot; it is by setting the pitch and tone to a tonal scale, then extending the vowels by deliberate exaggeration of the actual duration of individual words.  There is </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113172677816810562'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113172677816810562'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131726720000#c113172677816810562' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113172224450807454</id><published>2005-11-11T10:17:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-11T10:17:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I think Alex&#39;s analogy (and I&#39;m not sure that is q...</title><summary type='text'>I think Alex&#39;s analogy (and I&#39;m not sure that is quite the right word we want to use here) about line-breaks and &quot;prescribed bars&quot; was wrong.  One doesn&#39;t want to build a system out of this distinction; it was a limited distinction.  Nothing else that Alex has said about line-breaks is new or different.  It&#39;s all been said before.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Broad, general analogies can be drawn between musical </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113172224450807454'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113172224450807454'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131722220000#c113172224450807454' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113171107104871956</id><published>2005-11-11T07:11:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-11T07:11:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>AGThanks for the clarification, but I should point...</title><summary type='text'>AG&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thanks for the clarification, but I should point out that you only see the linebreaks in poetry when the poem is written down, just like you see the bar lines when music is notated. In performance both are invisible. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Admittedly, we now think of poetry as what&#39;s on the page because of the omnipresence of text, which was not the case in days of yore before print media. On the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113171107104871956'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113171107104871956'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131711060000#c113171107104871956' title=''/><author><name>ideaist.wordpress.com</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11326216841108224361</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-805121679"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113170310853843588</id><published>2005-11-11T04:58:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-11T04:58:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Whew.XZL: Very good points on the nature and defin...</title><summary type='text'>Whew.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;XZL: &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Very good points on the nature and definition of analogy. They aren&#39;t critical just of Curtis, but of also of my help in the digression into mild debate about the history of notated time in music.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I don&#39;t think anyone accused you of making the suggestion you don&#39;t recall making. Curtis said that shifts in time signature were a relative rarity, and I posted a</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113170310853843588'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113170310853843588'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131703080000#c113170310853843588' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113168945940632658</id><published>2005-11-11T01:10:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-11T01:10:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron Silliman’s remarks on ‘the role of humor as a ...</title><summary type='text'>Ron Silliman’s remarks on ‘the role of humor as a governor of pacing in the text’ might better bear the weight of CF’s knowledge of musical esoterica than my rather lightweight analogy, which is based on the following superficial parallels:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;1. Music and poetry share the concept of rhythm. Admittedly, while these two types of rhythm are not incompatible, they are nonetheless different. &lt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113168945940632658'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113168945940632658'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131689400000#c113168945940632658' title=''/><author><name>ideaist.wordpress.com</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11326216841108224361</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-805121679"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113167894407560627</id><published>2005-11-10T22:15:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-10T22:15:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I note especial vehemence in CF&#39;s comments that su...</title><summary type='text'>I note especial vehemence in CF&#39;s comments that suggests he may well be offering serious criticism today, unlike other days. Rather than fall complacent, we had determined to gird our loins and await the inevitable rhetorical ambush--and it has happened like clockwork.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Analogies suggest similarities between items that are also marked different. It’s not required that the parallels </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113167894407560627'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113167894407560627'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131678900000#c113167894407560627' title=''/><author><name>ideaist.wordpress.com</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11326216841108224361</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-805121679"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113167323766031680</id><published>2005-11-10T20:40:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-10T20:40:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>OK, but the point of my first post on this was to ...</title><summary type='text'>OK, but the point of my first post on this was to curtail the comparison between language and music.  The analogy was carelessly used, and I thought needed to be clarified.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You&#39;re right, the designation of the value of the notes as written is different from tempo.  But tempo is just speed, not interval.  Several 20th Century classical composers eschewed bar lines completely, judging </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113167323766031680'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113167323766031680'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131673200000#c113167323766031680' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113167266279804982</id><published>2005-11-10T20:31:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-10T20:31:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Not to disagree with you generally, but you&#39;re mix...</title><summary type='text'>Not to disagree with you generally, but you&#39;re mixing up &quot;time signature&quot; and &quot;tempo,&quot; it seems.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Both change frequently in Beethoven and Schubert, at least, and the perceived phrase lengths change even more often (in Beethoven&#39;s late pieces, for instance).</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113167266279804982'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113167266279804982'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131672660000#c113167266279804982' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113167196279391694</id><published>2005-11-10T20:19:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-10T20:19:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Who is Benjamin Barthsnatch?Who is Alex Cumberbatc...</title><summary type='text'>Who is Benjamin Barthsnatch?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Who is Alex Cumberbatch?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113167196279391694'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113167196279391694'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131671940000#c113167196279391694' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113167037237585296</id><published>2005-11-10T19:52:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-10T19:52:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>In most Western music up through the late 19th Cen...</title><summary type='text'>In most Western music up through the late 19th Century, you have fairly regular time.  Triadic compositions with three time signatures, with the middle section usually in a slower time.  At the end of the Romantic period, you get rubato, and frequency of time signatures increases, such that by the time you get to Stravinsky&#39;s Rite of Spring, for instance, the time changes in almost every bar--not</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113167037237585296'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113167037237585296'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131670320000#c113167037237585296' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113166241376810535</id><published>2005-11-10T17:40:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-10T17:40:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis,I was going to point that out about bar lin...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I was going to point that out about bar lines. Though it&#39;s actually &lt;I&gt;extremely&lt;/I&gt; common for time signatures to change, at least in classical music.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Though bar lines are a bad analogy, I&#39;m still stuck on &quot;polyphony&quot; as perhaps a good one.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And there could be an analogy between the way a sentence is distributed over lines and the way a melody is distributed </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113166241376810535'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113129750585083944/comments/default/113166241376810535'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html?showComment=1131662400000#c113166241376810535' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/william-carlos-williams-dorn-if-we.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113129750585083944' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113129750585083944' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2005"/></entry></feed>