<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post113268827952144343..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>45</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113344394685977495</id><published>2005-12-01T08:32:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-01T08:32:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>JamesI think you have good points - from these &quot;gr...</title><summary type='text'>James&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think you have good points - from these &quot;groups are useful -but I myself am pretty much on the outer so I too am skeptical -&lt;BR/&gt;e.g I like Nik Pionbino&#39;s loyalty etc but I often wonder if he might &quot;go further&quot; on is own (not sure where or what &quot;further&quot; is tho) -&lt;BR/&gt;Where  - to go off on a tanget - does Alan Sondheim fit into this? &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;He seems to belong to no movement. (</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113344394685977495'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113344394685977495'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1133443920000#c113344394685977495' title=''/><author><name>Richard Taylor</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10272507198753290435</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1142244622"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 01, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113324589655788562</id><published>2005-11-29T01:31:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-29T01:31:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I won&#39;t belabor the point, Richard.  I think you k...</title><summary type='text'>I won&#39;t belabor the point, Richard.  I think you know what I&#39;m getting at.  I think these group identities are houses of cards, basically.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And:  I&#39;m not sure if anyone&#39;s ever considered me a romantic.  That, actually, would get some laughs from people I know well.  Not, of course, intended as a laugh at you.  More at me.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Take care,&lt;BR/&gt;J</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113324589655788562'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113324589655788562'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1133245860000#c113324589655788562' title=''/><author><name>James</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14066844450420389687</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-564976163"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 29, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113317787185959513</id><published>2005-11-28T06:37:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-28T06:37:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>jamesyes it can end up as &quot;naming&quot; only and there ...</title><summary type='text'>james&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;yes it can end up as &quot;naming&quot; only and there is nothing certain ormagical about this proces or practice 9altho I feel it is useful) as I think RS and so on know -  you feel it would be better to just write  about each poet individually? That would be radical -but difficult. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I fall back on it being convenient to have some schools or &#39;groups&#39; but I am well  aware that these</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113317787185959513'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113317787185959513'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1133177820000#c113317787185959513' title=''/><author><name>Richard Taylor</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10272507198753290435</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1142244622"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 28, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113307009616745152</id><published>2005-11-27T00:41:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-27T00:41:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Hi Curtis,Sorry for taking you silence as neglect ...</title><summary type='text'>Hi Curtis,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Sorry for taking you silence as neglect -- i&#39;m touchy someitmes, a fault.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;When I knew him he seemed like a white-haired...uncle, sort of. Benign, but I didn&#39;t really trust him. In my humble opinion the best person to come from Iowa lately didnt even go there - Joe Bolton. His poems were edited posthumosly by the egregious Donald Justice [a real piet-z in my opinion, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113307009616745152'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113307009616745152'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1133070060000#c113307009616745152' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113306510215749992</id><published>2005-11-26T23:18:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-26T23:18:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Steve:Not ignoring you.  Your posts require a deli...</title><summary type='text'>Steve:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Not ignoring you.  Your posts require a deliberate, detailed response, and I&#39;ve not had the time for that lately.  I&#39;m really quite busy, running a rare book business, volunteering, and editing a book for Stanford University Press.  Etc.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;When I was attending Iowa, Marvin was the spokesperson for the conservative, &quot;Quietist&quot; faction.  Starbuck was very conservative in his </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113306510215749992'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113306510215749992'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1133065080000#c113306510215749992' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 26, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113306383298662049</id><published>2005-11-26T22:57:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-26T22:57:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>thank you Lars, I will check it out.On a different...</title><summary type='text'>thank you Lars, I will check it out.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;On a different note -- to Curtis -- who always seems to rudely ignore me of late -- why was mavn Bell teh resdient hood. When I knew him he seemed like a bearded little woodchuck.[He was always very sweet to me by the way.]&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;steve in taipe</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113306383298662049'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113306383298662049'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1133063820000#c113306383298662049' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 26, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113301884894439351</id><published>2005-11-26T10:27:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-26T10:27:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>SteveI assume you are familiar with the poetry int...</title><summary type='text'>Steve&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I assume you are familiar with the poetry international website (www.poetryinternational.org) updated on the first day of each month with, mostly, contemporary poets from all over with original texts &amp; translations side by side. It&#39;s one of my favourite poetry resources on the web. I just went in there to check out their french site &amp; found Michelle Grangaud, who I think might do </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113301884894439351'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113301884894439351'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1133018820000#c113301884894439351' title=''/><author><name>Lars Palm</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/18014279624033048950</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1490930370"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 26, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113300719068962754</id><published>2005-11-26T07:13:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-26T07:13:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>you were at Naropa Kirby?cool. did you Like it. Li...</title><summary type='text'>you were at Naropa Kirby?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;cool. did you Like it. Like is not the word....&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;My favorite Lnagpo&#39;s are RS, despite my dislike of him personally, and Palmer, who is maybe too much bric a brac, but is still good. Rs sometimes reminds me of Hemingway, the we dd this and that sections of death in the afternoon, also the descriptions of green hills of Africa; but I havent reaad enough of</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113300719068962754'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113300719068962754'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1133007180000#c113300719068962754' title=''/><author><name>steven in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 26, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113296349227586886</id><published>2005-11-25T19:04:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-25T19:04:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I was referring to the city of Chicago, not the Un...</title><summary type='text'>I was referring to the city of Chicago, not the University of Chicago.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Northeastern Illinois University is in Chicago.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113296349227586886'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113296349227586886'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132963440000#c113296349227586886' title=''/><author><name>James</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14066844450420389687</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-564976163"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 25, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113296158993851145</id><published>2005-11-25T18:33:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-25T18:33:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I would take Maxine&#39;s word on this as definitive.</title><summary type='text'>I would take Maxine&#39;s word on this as definitive.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113296158993851145'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113296158993851145'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132961580000#c113296158993851145' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 25, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113294984633190460</id><published>2005-11-25T15:17:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-25T15:17:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ted Berrigan was never at the University of Chicag...</title><summary type='text'>Ted Berrigan was never at the University of Chicago (too snobby probably to hire him) but at Northeastern Illinois Univeristy, where poets including Art Lange studied with him, and where he also met the other Yellow Press people (Richard Friedman, Peter Kostakis, Bob Rosenthal, and Darlene Pearlstein) who ran the Body Politic reading series, and the OINK! Press people, Paul Hoover and Maxine </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113294984633190460'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113294984633190460'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132949820000#c113294984633190460' title=''/><author><name>m chernoff</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13469669721285231920</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-717416049"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 25, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113291907622694846</id><published>2005-11-25T06:44:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-25T06:44:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Why is thre only only one emily dicknson ? [apart ...</title><summary type='text'>Why is thre only only one emily dicknson ? [apart fromher genius] Explain. But you do not want to explain, do you. Youmay give an expanation, but it wil be a selfserving one, desinged to promote the system of &quot;know who&quot;, the rottenness of history that I refererd to ealier, and wich Curtis took some exeption to, though it was evident he had no idea what it meant. This is a small part of what it </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113291907622694846'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113291907622694846'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132919040000#c113291907622694846' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 25, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113288415022655570</id><published>2005-11-24T21:02:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-24T21:02:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>CURTIS,THE LAST PARA OF YOUR FIRST POST IS RIGHT O...</title><summary type='text'>CURTIS,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;THE LAST PARA OF YOUR FIRST POST IS RIGHT ON -- TEH ADVICE TO YOUNG WRITERS. BUT YOU CAN END UP VERY ISOLATED THAT WAY ALSO. [MY STORY]&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;SPEAKING OF WIENERS, I JUST WROTE A BOOK ABOUT HIM. IT&#39;S UNDER REVIEW, BUT THEY WONT MIND IF YOU LOOK AT IT. IT CAN BE  A XMAS PRESENT TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK..&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;GIVE ME YOU EMAIL ADDRRESS&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;MINE IS&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;STEVEN@</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113288415022655570'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113288415022655570'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132884120000#c113288415022655570' title=''/><author><name>STEVE IN TAIPEI</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113288266000285790</id><published>2005-11-24T20:37:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-24T20:37:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Interesting as always, thanks.  There&#39;s no point i...</title><summary type='text'>Interesting as always, thanks.  There&#39;s no point in getting the turkey out if you don&#39;t have teeth.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Although I disagree with the premise of my question I agree about the present day.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I give thanks this day that the comments section survived Ron&#39;s footnote #1 without a political discussion.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I have to reprint my 6yo nephew&#39;s poem that he handed me this evening:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113288266000285790'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113288266000285790'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132882620000#c113288266000285790' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113287447540910398</id><published>2005-11-24T18:21:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-24T18:21:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Too early to tell.My pet theory is that we can&#39;t k...</title><summary type='text'>Too early to tell.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;My pet theory is that we can&#39;t know about our own present--it&#39;s invisible to us.  Someone or some ones are quietly turning out pages of deathless writing, unbeknownst to us, in some estaminet of Antwerp (or somewhere), but we will not (cannot) know this now, because we&#39;re myopic.  Being alive is almost a definition of myopia.  That has a certain Einsteinian perpective.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113287447540910398'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113287447540910398'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132874460000#c113287447540910398' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113285828942278808</id><published>2005-11-24T13:51:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-24T13:51:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>So Curtis, do you think there&#39;s been a significant...</title><summary type='text'>So Curtis, do you think there&#39;s been a significant stylistic innovation since Coolidge in the 70s?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113285828942278808'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113285828942278808'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132858260000#c113285828942278808' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113285160091271863</id><published>2005-11-24T12:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-24T12:00:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Richard, Yes, we are social, sure.  But where on t...</title><summary type='text'>Richard, &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Yes, we are social, sure.  But where on the body does it say, yes, this is where I was marked for life, or for awhile, by Ted Berrigan&#39;s teachings?  No one knows this, and why.  This kind of passing the torch of New York schools, these seemingly obvious and easy births, one onto the other, well, let&#39;s just say I&#39;m extremely dubious about them.  I.e., Just because someone </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113285160091271863'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113285160091271863'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132851600000#c113285160091271863' title=''/><author><name>James</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14066844450420389687</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-564976163"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113284642664034358</id><published>2005-11-24T10:33:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-24T10:33:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>This New York you speak of is an imaginary place, ...</title><summary type='text'>This New York you speak of is an imaginary place, like the Lake Isle of X or Paris the Capitol of the 19th Century or the rustling of ruble notes beside the lemon Neva. As such, it has enormous power. Styles get bent in prevailing winds, the lacustrine streets fill with water and we visit each other by speedboat, so I&#39;ve been told. Like anthropologists, we discover that our informants understand </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113284642664034358'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113284642664034358'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132846380000#c113284642664034358' title=''/><author><name>Kirk Johnson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05529898733002317995</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-895736745"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113282619153030323</id><published>2005-11-24T04:56:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-24T04:56:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>James said... I will never understand this need to...</title><summary type='text'>James said... &lt;BR/&gt;I will never understand this need to categorize supposed poetry camps. I can&#39;t help thinking that the labeling is a false first move to begin with, and that the claims that follow are hollow at best. What does saying someone is a New York poet actually mean? That they lived or were born in New York? Is this really important? ... Carl Rakoski noted that the term Objectivist was </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113282619153030323'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113282619153030323'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132826160000#c113282619153030323' title=''/><author><name>Richard Taylor</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10272507198753290435</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1142244622"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113282421942432003</id><published>2005-11-24T04:23:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-24T04:23:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>RonThis is interesting - commenting on your Ashber...</title><summary type='text'>Ron&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This is interesting - commenting on your Ashbery thing yesterday I mentioned O&#39;Hara and by coincidence had just been to a reading by Murray Edmonds who is an interesting and versatile poet who still teaches drama and American poetry (here in Auckland)- but he had some poems/texts  based on Noh plays which threw me to O&#39;Hara and Ashbery&#39;s and Kenneth Koch&#39;s experiments in this area - </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113282421942432003'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113282421942432003'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132824180000#c113282421942432003' title=''/><author><name>Richard Taylor</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10272507198753290435</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1142244622"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113281160049854112</id><published>2005-11-24T00:53:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-24T00:53:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Thank you, Joe, that was entertaining.&quot;Old&quot;?  Nah....</title><summary type='text'>Thank you, Joe, that was entertaining.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;Old&quot;?  Nah.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I did do Donne--was he done to death, or unto eternity?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Search me.  I could never figure his poems out.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But I had great respect for him.  Try reading his prose--he had a mind like the German code machine.  Empson made poems like that, but they didn&#39;t sing like Donne&#39;s.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I guess my ultimate point </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113281160049854112'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113281160049854112'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132811580000#c113281160049854112' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113279637227876432</id><published>2005-11-23T20:39:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-23T20:39:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I did demonstrate that certain assumptions Ron mak...</title><summary type='text'>I did demonstrate that certain assumptions Ron makes and the assumptions Curtis makes place them within the New Critical tradition.  Quod Erat Demonstatum and all that.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Their &quot;close readings&quot; reminding me of the days when Donne was done. When Donne was done we did Herbert and Vaughn and Traherne before sherbert and those who were inclined to Pope weren&#39;t very much inclined to dope and </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113279637227876432'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113279637227876432'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132796340000#c113279637227876432' title=''/><author><name>joe green</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12257285616529795340</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1849826838"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113278932781674473</id><published>2005-11-23T18:42:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-23T18:42:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;SUNY-Lawrence. &quot; That&#39;s funny, Ron.  The Universi...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;SUNY-Lawrence. &quot; That&#39;s funny, Ron.  The University Kansas as a branch of the SUNY system.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113278932781674473'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113278932781674473'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132789320000#c113278932781674473' title=''/><author><name>Jonathan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1218785319"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113278864903010948</id><published>2005-11-23T18:30:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-23T18:30:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>9/11 would not live in infamy had Gore been presid...</title><summary type='text'>9/11 would not live in infamy had Gore been president.  The attacks would have never happened.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113278864903010948'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113278864903010948'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132788600000#c113278864903010948' title=''/><author><name>Lester</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04219479023387881600</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1478288716"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113278803848447801</id><published>2005-11-23T18:20:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-23T18:20:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Concerning Curtis&#39; statement &quot;I was amused, at the...</title><summary type='text'>Concerning Curtis&#39; statement &quot;I was amused, at the time, to see how hard the editors of L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E tried to make everyone sound like each other&quot; and CA&#39;s discourse over influence of Langpo and NY School, I think the standardization of style has been a voluntary phenomenon practiced by poets for whatever motives.  Langpo collections tend to be more diverse the earlier they are published, and </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113278803848447801'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113268827952144343/comments/default/113278803848447801'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html?showComment=1132788000000#c113278803848447801' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/jordan-davis-curtis-faville-ended-up.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268827952144343' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113268827952144343' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 23, 2005"/></entry></feed>