<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post114769058395424403..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>48</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114916785846069118</id><published>2006-06-01T09:17:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-01T09:17:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>This post is fascinating, even for a literary laym...</title><summary type='text'>This post is fascinating, even for a literary layman like myself. Thank you for the insights.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114916785846069118'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114916785846069118'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1149167820000#c114916785846069118' title=''/><author><name>Indeterminacy</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11112417911577798263</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1014132802"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 01, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114850040356199196</id><published>2006-05-24T15:53:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-24T15:53:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>As to the relation between Beats and Language Poet...</title><summary type='text'>As to the relation between Beats and Language Poets, I think if a Martian with a time machine were to listen to poetry readings across American history, it would have a hard time differentiating between Language Poetry and Beat.  For Language Poets of course the difference, the distance, is tremendous, but floating away a small distance even from the two presumably distinct forms one might </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114850040356199196'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114850040356199196'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1148500380000#c114850040356199196' title=''/><author><name>Lester</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04219479023387881600</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1478288716"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114841158354167510</id><published>2006-05-23T15:13:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-23T15:13:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>or as Kafka would have said, Amerika!</title><summary type='text'>or as Kafka would have said, Amerika!</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114841158354167510'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114841158354167510'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1148411580000#c114841158354167510' title=''/><author><name>Lighting the Lucid Lisp</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10201267204005472679</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-318219068"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114799506460747292</id><published>2006-05-18T19:31:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-18T19:31:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Therefore, we have the government to thank for thi...</title><summary type='text'>Therefore, we have the government to thank for this poem.  Hooray again for the old US of A, or as Ginsberg would have said, Amerika!</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114799506460747292'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114799506460747292'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147995060000#c114799506460747292' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 18, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114799498247320461</id><published>2006-05-18T19:29:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-18T19:29:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I fail to see much of any other CONTENT in the poe...</title><summary type='text'>I fail to see much of any other CONTENT in the poem.  The style however is magnificent: the way he gets the high spiritual with the nitty gritty particulars. It reminds me of a good salad: all kinds of textures, all kinds of flavors, and all going together.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But down deep, I think the flavor is dependent on the nuts -- whose squirreliness seems to have been created by the government.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114799498247320461'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114799498247320461'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147994940000#c114799498247320461' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 18, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114798898392565183</id><published>2006-05-18T17:49:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-18T17:49:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>My sentence would be:&quot;You don&#39;t have to create a o...</title><summary type='text'>My sentence would be:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;You don&#39;t have to create a one sentence thesis.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#39;d say that 99% of the time that writers get summarized into a sentence it is for the purpose of attacking them cheaply, except that I have yet to witness the 1%.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114798898392565183'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114798898392565183'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147988940000#c114798898392565183' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 18, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114798479792999788</id><published>2006-05-18T16:39:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-18T16:39:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>If you had to put the thesis of Howl into one sent...</title><summary type='text'>If you had to put the thesis of Howl into one sentence what would the poem say?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think it&#39;s something like this:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The government is bad and therefore me and my friends are crazy.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Is that it?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114798479792999788'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114798479792999788'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147984740000#c114798479792999788' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 18, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114793218724821147</id><published>2006-05-18T02:03:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-18T02:03:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>What in heck does our host Ron mean when he refers...</title><summary type='text'>What in heck does our host Ron mean when he refers above to the &quot;1795 version&quot; of Wordsworth&#39;s The Prelude?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I don&#39;t think there is such a thing. There are versions from 1799, 1805, and 1850, yes, and scholars sometimes refer to the earliest version as 1798-179.  But 1795, no I don&#39;t think so.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114793218724821147'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114793218724821147'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147932180000#c114793218724821147' title=''/><author><name>Steven Fama</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04378273134042527425</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1945919831"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 18, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114789505771491224</id><published>2006-05-17T15:44:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-17T15:44:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>david - thanks for yr merwin prelim. - i havent re...</title><summary type='text'>david - thanks for yr merwin prelim. - i havent read any recent because i read a selected (not sure what decade it was from) &amp; was defeated - &#39;east of the sun..&#39; seemed to me tedious, but im not a fan of the long narrative poem, here we suffer from a plague of verse novels (assuming 2 or 3 a year can constitute a plague)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;i just didnt know why u were aiming britishisms at me ..&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;mf</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114789505771491224'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114789505771491224'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147895040000#c114789505771491224' title=''/><author><name>michaelf</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03896092358881060164</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-107943565"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 17, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114788051204982276</id><published>2006-05-17T11:41:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-17T11:41:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Michael -- pardon for dawdling on Merwin.  My init...</title><summary type='text'>Michael -- &lt;BR/&gt;pardon for dawdling on Merwin.  My initial intro to his work actually was via his renderings of Ghalib&#39;s ghazals (in Ghazal of Ghalib, edited by A. Ahmad); then I read Finding the Islands (early 1980s) -- which in retrospect is a fine door to enter an appreciation of Merwin.  Then I began to read in both directions: new work as it appeared, and delving into the older work as well.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114788051204982276'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114788051204982276'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147880460000#c114788051204982276' title=''/><author><name>david raphael israel</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07535589040322113419</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1441140986"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 17, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114785566888264435</id><published>2006-05-17T04:47:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-17T04:47:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;Gadfly&quot; is a term for people who upset the status...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;Gadfly&quot; is a term for people who upset the status quo by posing upsetting or novel questions, or attempt to stimulate innovation by proving an irritant.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The term &quot;gadfly&quot; was used by Plato to describe Socrates&#39; relationship of uncomfortable goad to the Athenian politician scene, which he compared to a slow and dimwitted horse. It was used earlier by the prophet Jeremiah in chapter 46 of</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114785566888264435'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114785566888264435'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147855620000#c114785566888264435' title=''/><author><name>Lady Jane</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04555982712708881025</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1542572767"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 17, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114785335180588605</id><published>2006-05-17T04:09:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-17T04:09:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>what is a chappie?</title><summary type='text'>what is a chappie?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114785335180588605'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114785335180588605'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147853340000#c114785335180588605' title=''/><author><name>michaelf</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03896092358881060164</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-107943565"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 17, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114783623726990677</id><published>2006-05-16T23:23:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-16T23:23:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>More about poetry in Arab countries (though in thi...</title><summary type='text'>More about poetry in Arab countries (though in this case native, not imported): &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://search.csmonitor.com/search_content/0512/p01s02-wome.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In poetry-loving Yemen, tribal bard takes on Al Qaeda - with his verse&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;[with thanks again to Jilly Dybka&#39;s Poetry Hut blog for the ref]</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114783623726990677'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114783623726990677'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147836180000#c114783623726990677' title=''/><author><name>david raphael israel</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07535589040322113419</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1441140986"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114782535900725758</id><published>2006-05-16T20:22:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-16T20:22:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Quite a story.  &#39;67 would have been roughly around...</title><summary type='text'>Quite a story.  &#39;67 would have been roughly around the time I saw Ginsberg on TV (as an 11-year-old or so); in those days he was reciting bits of Sanskrit &amp; stuff.  I think he was on a talk show (Dick Cavett?)  This reminds, I also sat in (in LA), in little live audience, in a similar talk show with Alan Watts.  Maybe I was 10 for that one, not sure; -- it seemed a bit before he got all turned on</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114782535900725758'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114782535900725758'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147825320000#c114782535900725758' title=''/><author><name>david raphael israel</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07535589040322113419</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1441140986"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114782046751149740</id><published>2006-05-16T19:01:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-16T19:01:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Yeah, I heard him recite portions of it in 67.  He...</title><summary type='text'>Yeah, I heard him recite portions of it in 67.  He had been invited to read at Marquette in Milwaukee by some students.  Auden had read earlier...about October 66 ...but the university refused to let Ginsberg speak because he was a homosexual. hahahahahha.  Really.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;So we organized a protest, lining up to request his books from the library and UWM offered to allow him to speak there.  Met</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114782046751149740'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114782046751149740'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147820460000#c114782046751149740' title=''/><author><name>joe green</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12257285616529795340</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1849826838"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114781685076260192</id><published>2006-05-16T18:00:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-16T18:00:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>i have an arabic sudanese poet friend who has sigh...</title><summary type='text'>i have an arabic sudanese poet friend who has sighed &#39;do you know how much we read ts eliot there?&#39; - id like to see it - the wasteland set in arabic type .. (i have a growing sneaking suspicion that some of the best poets in australia are writing in arabic - especially from reading the translated poems in &#39;another country&#39; writers in detention&#39;edited by thomas keneally &amp; rosie scott (halstead </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114781685076260192'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114781685076260192'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147816800000#c114781685076260192' title=''/><author><name>michaelf</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03896092358881060164</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-107943565"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114781566466487608</id><published>2006-05-16T17:41:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-16T17:41:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>re where to get Arabic and Persian, etc. literatur...</title><summary type='text'>re where to get Arabic and Persian, etc. literature: the Institut du Monde Arabe in Paris has a great bookstore. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;JS</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114781566466487608'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114781566466487608'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147815660000#c114781566466487608' title=''/><author><name>JS</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03855342885220448332</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1548469161"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114781303834090383</id><published>2006-05-16T16:57:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-16T16:57:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Joe,incidentally, it occurs to me (belatedly) that...</title><summary type='text'>Joe,&lt;BR/&gt;incidentally, it occurs to me (belatedly) that the place in Ginsberg&#39;s work to look for a somewhat comparable rise-and-fall of spiritual longing is perhaps less in Howl, and more in the Witchita Vortex Sutra.  At least that was rather how the latter sounded to me when I had the pleasure of hearing Allen recite it, with Phil Glass noodling on the keyboard (this was one item at a benefit </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114781303834090383'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114781303834090383'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147813020000#c114781303834090383' title=''/><author><name>david raphael israel</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07535589040322113419</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1441140986"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114780255851200762</id><published>2006-05-16T14:02:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-16T14:02:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Joe,thanks for the good look at Wordsworth through...</title><summary type='text'>Joe,&lt;BR/&gt;thanks for the good look at Wordsworth through this passage (something that -- having majored first in physiology and then in Chinese in college -- I never had occasion to be taught or pointed toward in school; all my English-lang. poetry study has been sheer autodidacticism).  The passage you look at recalls for me some hints of Li Po&#39;s &quot;The Road to Shu&quot; (in its conflation of landscape </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114780255851200762'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114780255851200762'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147802520000#c114780255851200762' title=''/><author><name>david raphael israel</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07535589040322113419</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1441140986"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114779749351106483</id><published>2006-05-16T12:38:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-16T12:38:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>No, Ginsberg not compromised.  It&#39;s the something ...</title><summary type='text'>No, Ginsberg not compromised.  It&#39;s the something else that is interesting and what counts.&lt;BR/&gt; &lt;BR/&gt;That&#39;s my point. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It depends what their poetry wants.  What Ginsberg&#39;s poetry wants is not the same as what Wordsworth&#39;s wants.  Ginsberg&#39;s rests at a certain point.  Wordsworth&#39;s does not.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The end is determined by what was wanted at the beginning.  Wordsworth&#39;s Howl was, in </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114779749351106483'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114779749351106483'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147797480000#c114779749351106483' title=''/><author><name>joe green</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12257285616529795340</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1849826838"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114779628050958250</id><published>2006-05-16T12:18:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-16T12:18:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Joe,On Wordsworth, I agree with you -- I often thi...</title><summary type='text'>Joe,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;On Wordsworth, I agree with you -- I often think of him as the start of contemporary poetry (or him, Blake &amp; Coleridge, each representing a very different aspect). I love The Prelude, at least the 1795 version. But I don&#39;t think that compromises Ginsberg (or anyone else, for that matter) at all,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ron</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114779628050958250'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114779628050958250'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147796280000#c114779628050958250' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114779545725977961</id><published>2006-05-16T12:04:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-16T12:04:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Wordsworth was the first great poet writing in Eng...</title><summary type='text'>Wordsworth was the first great poet writing in English to confront the death of God – with all implied by just that.  That is, he was the first poet to really confront the prospect of meaninglessness from a post Christian perspective.  He was the first poet to scan Nature (that is, what was left after the death of Christianity) and to try locate the divine within nature who, at the same time, let</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114779545725977961'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114779545725977961'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147795440000#c114779545725977961' title=''/><author><name>joe green</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12257285616529795340</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1849826838"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778748535774001</id><published>2006-05-16T09:51:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-16T09:51:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>It&#39;s interesting to compare Ginsberg&#39;s take on the...</title><summary type='text'>It&#39;s interesting to compare Ginsberg&#39;s take on the use of drugs, with someone like Creeley, who also went through a &quot;drug&quot; phase in his work, though RC--in his style--expressed it in an entirely different way.  The Finger or 1234567890, or the &quot;full&quot; poems in Pieces are essentially about the same sensual excess, but lead to entirely different results.  The &quot;ecstatic&quot; in Creeley points towards the</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114778748535774001'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114778748535774001'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147787460000#c114778748535774001' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778544701486110</id><published>2006-05-16T09:17:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-16T09:17:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The next question would be is there an Islamic ama...</title><summary type='text'>The next question would be is there an Islamic amazon.com where such translations could be bought?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Your research is salutary, David.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Perhaps there is a boutique somewhere in Cairo where such books could be browsed, and purchased.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If not Cairo, what would be the most likely place within the Islamic world to buy such books?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114778544701486110'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114778544701486110'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147785420000#c114778544701486110' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778295476650443</id><published>2006-05-16T08:35:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-16T08:35:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Eiríkur,your reasonable remark got me more curious...</title><summary type='text'>Eiríkur,&lt;BR/&gt;your reasonable remark got me more curious.  Some googling brings only&lt;BR/&gt;stray slivers of anecdotage.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;1) One blogger describes a televised poetry exchange in Iowa, including &lt;BR/&gt;an Arabic poet (country of origin not noted) named Saadi Samawe.  The &lt;BR/&gt;narrator says:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;&lt; After the reading I was able to ask him a little more about the translation of works, and the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114778295476650443'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114769058395424403/comments/default/114778295476650443'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html?showComment=1147782900000#c114778295476650443' title=''/><author><name>david raphael israel</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07535589040322113419</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/device-that-is-often-associated-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114769058395424403' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114769058395424403' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1441140986"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 16, 2006"/></entry></feed>