<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post114778213380577385..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>116</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114878040338643193</id><published>2006-05-27T21:40:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-27T21:40:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kirby, see you offline.</title><summary type='text'>Kirby, see you offline.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114878040338643193'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114878040338643193'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148780400000#c114878040338643193' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114867204289963441</id><published>2006-05-26T15:34:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-26T15:34:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I don&#39;t want any books banned.I read Ginsberg. I a...</title><summary type='text'>I don&#39;t want any books banned.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I read Ginsberg. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I am fascinated by his poetry, and also by his life.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I spent a lot of Wednesday trying to find his old farm in Cherry Valley, NY.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I came upon the poet Charles Plymell digging in his garden.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#39;m not kidding.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I like the Beats generally.  But I really question the NAMBLA angle.  It seems insidious,</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114867204289963441'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114867204289963441'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148672040000#c114867204289963441' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 26, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114866037931235865</id><published>2006-05-26T12:19:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-26T12:19:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kirby, obviously I&#39;m not going to convince you of ...</title><summary type='text'>Kirby, obviously I&#39;m not going to convince you of anything on a blog.  But I do hope you&#39;re not suggesting that Ginsberg&#39;s books be banned.  I mean, then we&#39;re going to ban Catcher In The Rye, Huckleberry Finn, Rabbit, Run, and all the rest.  Certainly we can&#39;t be going down that road....</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114866037931235865'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114866037931235865'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148660340000#c114866037931235865' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 26, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114862187973999134</id><published>2006-05-26T01:37:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-26T01:37:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis, I still think it justifies or attempts to ...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis, I still think it justifies or attempts to justify the unjustifiable.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Sexual maturity has to be about the same thing as we describe as being cognizant of the law.  While we are minors our parents are responsible for us.  Until say 18, when the law says we are responsible for our crimes. Until then at least we aren&#39;t cognizant enough of the world or our surroundings to be sexually </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114862187973999134'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114862187973999134'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148621820000#c114862187973999134' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 26, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114857803334599683</id><published>2006-05-25T13:27:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-25T13:27:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kirby, our bodies are like strung bows.  At 12 or ...</title><summary type='text'>Kirby, our bodies are like strung bows.  At 12 or 13, our hormones kick in and we begin to be curious about sex.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;That is a fact that can only be overcome through chemical intervention, or more bestial means (as is done to young girls in Africa to this day).  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;So, this is a fact.  All the King&#39;s men and all the churches in the world can&#39;t change it.  People are going to do </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114857803334599683'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114857803334599683'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148578020000#c114857803334599683' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 25, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114848687623970881</id><published>2006-05-24T12:07:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-24T12:07:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Andy, to be honest your question about &quot;age of con...</title><summary type='text'>Andy, to be honest your question about &quot;age of consent&quot; if we may put it in legal terms caught me somewhat by surprise.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There is of course great variance in this matter from culture to culture.  The French put the age at 15 and three-quarters. The Dutch at age 11.  The Finns at 18.  I believe there are some African societies that allow children to have lovers -- children aged four and </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114848687623970881'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114848687623970881'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148486820000#c114848687623970881' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114848276519026209</id><published>2006-05-24T10:59:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-24T10:59:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Locke thrills me.It&#39;s not age so much as the relat...</title><summary type='text'>Locke thrills me.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It&#39;s not age so much as the relationship for sex.  I think people should wait until they&#39;re about 50.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But since people are in such a rush, they should at least be legally of age -- the states vary. In this state (New York) it&#39;s 18.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I believe that the law is always right.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;What holes in Locke&#39;s logic?  Could you give me an example?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114848276519026209'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114848276519026209'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148482740000#c114848276519026209' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114844883318644860</id><published>2006-05-24T01:33:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-24T01:33:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>also sprach Curtis:&quot;But it always feels so GOOD to...</title><summary type='text'>also sprach Curtis:&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;But it always feels so GOOD to sound CONCERNED about people thousands and thousands of miles away; even when one is not prepared to do one damned THING about it.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Well, actually being concerned about them doesn&#39;t usually feel so great--what one can do seems pretty small. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And then there is, indeed, the local, by no means an ignoble object of concern. The</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114844883318644860'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114844883318644860'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148448780000#c114844883318644860' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114840863545538501</id><published>2006-05-23T14:23:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-23T14:23:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis, Of course I believe that there is a univer...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis, Of course I believe that there is a universal standard for governments, and that they should be policed on that basis.  Life, liberty, health, property. The Lockean program (2nd Treatise), and of course this is the reason I am also against child molesting.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;Everyone, as he is bound to preserve himself, and not to quit his station wilfully, so by the like reason, when his own </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114840863545538501'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114840863545538501'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148408580000#c114840863545538501' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114839532928080038</id><published>2006-05-23T10:42:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-23T10:42:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Let me get this straight, Kirby.Howl is a bad poem...</title><summary type='text'>Let me get this straight, Kirby.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Howl is a bad poem because it facilitates the exploitation of young children?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ginsberg&#39;s whole program was a subtle justification of pederasty?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It&#39;s important to invade foreign countries because we have a calling to change their evil governments.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think you need to look at those assertions.  Do you really believe those things</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114839532928080038'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114839532928080038'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148395320000#c114839532928080038' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114839516650242738</id><published>2006-05-23T10:39:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-23T10:39:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>But my dear Kirby,I SAW the second-best minds of m...</title><summary type='text'>But my dear Kirby,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I SAW the second-best minds of my not-so-Great Generation destroyed by Bush Derangement Syndrome, pasty, paunchy, tenured, unelectable, and not looking too sharp naked,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;bullshitting themselves through the African-American streets at cocktail hour looking for a Prozac refill,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;aging hair-plugged hipsters burning for their ancient political </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114839516650242738'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114839516650242738'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148395140000#c114839516650242738' title=''/><author><name>AlGinsberg</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10741391688261637474</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1385907536"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114839134912481679</id><published>2006-05-23T09:35:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-23T09:35:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>It&#39;s hard to get rid of Ginsberg because he has be...</title><summary type='text'>It&#39;s hard to get rid of Ginsberg because he has become such a powerful reference point.  This seems to have been his conscious intention.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;What will we do without this howl of madness, this noisy pederast?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It&#39;s time to unplug the hydrogen jukebox.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114839134912481679'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114839134912481679'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148391300000#c114839134912481679' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114835955045157961</id><published>2006-05-23T00:45:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-23T00:45:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I disagree with this.  Ideas like Ian&#39;s support of...</title><summary type='text'>I disagree with this.  Ideas like Ian&#39;s support of Castro are unconscionable.  They are within our power to change.  Or at least laugh about a bit about in order to apply pressure.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;We also have to be responsive to principles. Of course it&#39;s not possible to change Venezuela.  But it&#39;s possible to change the perception of communist dictators from possibly good, to always already bad.  That</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114835955045157961'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114835955045157961'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148359500000#c114835955045157961' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114834599953668257</id><published>2006-05-22T20:59:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T20:59:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>One of the misconceptions of the modern age is tha...</title><summary type='text'>One of the misconceptions of the modern age is that we&#39;re--each of us--totally responsible for what happens everywhere every day.  This is just nuts.  The media decides for us from day to day just what the front page of our preoccupations should be, and we follow like little dogs being called to the food dish.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I am NOT responsible for Iraqis killing each other on the street over </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114834599953668257'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114834599953668257'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148345940000#c114834599953668257' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114833133270204788</id><published>2006-05-22T16:55:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T16:55:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I mean to say that everyone is hyphenated, and eve...</title><summary type='text'>I mean to say that everyone is hyphenated, and everyone is therefore a minoritarian of some sort within these borders.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I still want a high wall along the Mexican border and predator drones with live ammo, though.  Just to keep it interesting.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114833133270204788'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114833133270204788'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148331300000#c114833133270204788' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114833118468168363</id><published>2006-05-22T16:53:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T16:53:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I personally liked very much learning about Venezu...</title><summary type='text'>I personally liked very much learning about Venezuela and am sorry I intervened.  The personal rancor between Ian and Guillermo I felt was not needed, but perhaps it was what drove the incediary illumination.  I just didn&#39;t think Guillermo was right-wing or that Ian was a racist.  Those bottom-line charges seemed ridiculous to me.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But the other info was tremendously interesting to me, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114833118468168363'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114833118468168363'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148331180000#c114833118468168363' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114831239374944886</id><published>2006-05-22T11:39:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T11:39:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kirby --you bring up a worthy point.  The demand o...</title><summary type='text'>Kirby --&lt;BR/&gt;you bring up a worthy point.  The demand of writers / artists / public figures / people / anybody, that they be wholly consistent, wholly integrated, have worked out every curveball that life has thrown them, or not have some fundamental tragic blind spot, is a problematic demand.  It&#39;s difficult to reach a balanced view; but it&#39;s possible to regard many writers and artists as gifted</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114831239374944886'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114831239374944886'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148312340000#c114831239374944886' title=''/><author><name>david raphael israel</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07535589040322113419</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1441140986"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114831176759962312</id><published>2006-05-22T11:29:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T11:29:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The irony is that &quot;Ian Keenan&quot; is actually the pse...</title><summary type='text'>The irony is that &quot;Ian Keenan&quot; is actually the pseudonym of a Brasilian saxophonist, while &quot;Guillermo&quot; is the nom-de-plume of a Tibetan quilt-maker.  Thus doth the internet make a mockery of us all.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A charge of racism in Ian seems possibly as exaggerated as a charge of Bushism in Guillermo seems egregious (or maybe that&#39;s vice-versa about exaggerated &amp; egregious).  Both, that is, anyway,</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114831176759962312'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114831176759962312'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148311740000#c114831176759962312' title=''/><author><name>david raphael israel</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07535589040322113419</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1441140986"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829810168905437</id><published>2006-05-22T07:41:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T07:41:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>is there a reason a person should NOT demand respe...</title><summary type='text'>is there a reason a person should NOT demand respect Curtis?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The reason their argument got into the details of Venezuela was because Ian attempted to prove that he wasn&#39;t racist by proving he was &quot;informed&quot; about Venezuela. It&#39;s equivalent to the old &quot;I&#39;m not a racist. Why, some of my best friends are [ fill in the blank];&quot; and Guillermo didn&#39;t go for that shit.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114829810168905437'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114829810168905437'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148298060000#c114829810168905437' title=''/><author><name>LBehrendt</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/17744661355732297091</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-2117488632"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114826972655486790</id><published>2006-05-21T23:48:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-21T23:48:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>These people with specific and detailed knowledge ...</title><summary type='text'>These people with specific and detailed knowledge of &quot;Third World&quot; cultural knowledge wander on to the blog demanding respect and insulting people right and left for not knowing (in detail) the political and social conditions of their respective original homelands. GJPW:  you&#39;re so concerned about misapprehensions regarding Venezuela--but ordinary Americans, and eccentric poets, don&#39;t owe you a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114826972655486790'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114826972655486790'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148269680000#c114826972655486790' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 21, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114824480858633234</id><published>2006-05-21T16:53:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-21T16:53:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Guillermo,The question I believe in terms of the m...</title><summary type='text'>Guillermo,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The question I believe in terms of the molestation business with Ginsberg is to ask -- how can such a thing not have been central to his life, and central to his thinking?  How can this not have colored his entire perception, and in a sense rendered everything he said suspect?  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It&#39;s quite upsetting because like almost everyone at a certain time and place I identified</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114824480858633234'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114824480858633234'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148244780000#c114824480858633234' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 21, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114818994380489669</id><published>2006-05-21T01:39:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-21T01:39:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>All good stuff, Guillermo; and nice that you&#39;ve lo...</title><summary type='text'>All good stuff, Guillermo; and nice that you&#39;ve looped this back to &lt;BR/&gt;Ginsberg via things Latin American.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Apologies for the c.assassination phrase (unnecessary hyperbole,&lt;BR/&gt;and sloppy; suffice to say, your blanket dismissals of Ian seem &lt;BR/&gt;more or less as broadbrush as the fallacies you ascribe to him;&lt;BR/&gt;perhaps this is a particular instance of some general phenomenon&lt;BR/&gt;in </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114818994380489669'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114818994380489669'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148189940000#c114818994380489669' title=''/><author><name>david raphael israel</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07535589040322113419</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1441140986"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 21, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114817979663552437</id><published>2006-05-20T22:49:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-20T22:49:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Well, I know I&#39;m pretty much done with this argume...</title><summary type='text'>Well, I know I&#39;m pretty much done with this argument. If I am guilty of character assassination in any way, that is not my intent. I simply refuse to have my name associated with Exxon-Mobil, right-wing think tanks or George W. Bush. I will not be put on trial with false accusations by anyone.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;My main point remains that Venezuela&#39;s political situation today is infinitely complex and </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114817979663552437'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114817979663552437'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148179740000#c114817979663552437' title=''/><author><name>GJPW</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13383940105241352465</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-669631030"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 20, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114816759213009308</id><published>2006-05-20T19:26:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-20T19:26:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I would like people to see that Ginsberg&#39;s basic t...</title><summary type='text'>I would like people to see that Ginsberg&#39;s basic thesis is flawed even though it now has reached critical mass. The idea that the US has drained other countries&#39; economies or that we are responsible for the economic woes of places like Vietnam is nonsense.  They simply aren&#39;t &lt;BR/&gt;Protestant enough, and therefore their economies are crippled by corruption, a lack of a proper work ethic, etc.&lt;BR/&gt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114816759213009308'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114816759213009308'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148167560000#c114816759213009308' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 20, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114815359824312411</id><published>2006-05-20T15:33:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-20T15:33:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Still, a range of information gets reviewed in pas...</title><summary type='text'>Still, a range of information gets reviewed in passing -- even if&lt;BR/&gt;it&#39;s flying thru the air in a variety of interesting curveballs.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The casual reader anyway can acknowledge an impression of well-&lt;BR/&gt;informedness and seriousness both in Guillermo and Ian.  Both&lt;BR/&gt;seem capable of holding up an argument; and both add what seem&lt;BR/&gt;worthy points to what is obviously a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114815359824312411'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114778213380577385/comments/default/114815359824312411'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html?showComment=1148153580000#c114815359824312411' title=''/><author><name>david raphael israel</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07535589040322113419</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-intrigued-by-fact-that-allen.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114778213380577385' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114778213380577385' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1441140986"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 20, 2006"/></entry></feed>