<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post114838604635201240..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>33</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114904905285671464</id><published>2006-05-31T00:17:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-31T00:17:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Snyder emphasizes the local.  Taking care of busin...</title><summary type='text'>Snyder emphasizes the local.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Taking care of business on your own turf.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If you&#39;re preoccupied with the &quot;world&#39;s problems&quot; but have no interest in or knowledge of your local issues, you&#39;re still a jerk.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114904905285671464'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114904905285671464'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1149049020000#c114904905285671464' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 31, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114900769656026029</id><published>2006-05-30T12:48:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-30T12:48:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Andy, I guess I&#39;m looking for something that he wo...</title><summary type='text'>Andy, I guess I&#39;m looking for something that he would clearly be against, or for.  I can&#39;t seem to find it.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I do like the emphasis on discovering the history of one&#39;s locale.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One thing that few Olson scholars have picked up on is the problematic nature of the fishing industry in America.  Much of it has been taken over by the Moonies.  In fact, in an article in the Kansas City </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114900769656026029'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114900769656026029'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1149007680000#c114900769656026029' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 30, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114900358288799190</id><published>2006-05-30T11:39:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-30T11:39:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>in the last paragraph of my second post (seven or ...</title><summary type='text'>in the last paragraph of my second post (seven or eight posts up) &#39;using&#39; should read &#39;avoiding&#39;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114900358288799190'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114900358288799190'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1149003540000#c114900358288799190' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 30, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114900157104268503</id><published>2006-05-30T11:06:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-30T11:06:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I think Olson, for better or worse, suffers from t...</title><summary type='text'>I think Olson, for better or worse, suffers from the same kind of difficulty Pound does.  In order to understand Maximus, it&#39;s necessary to have Butterick at your side, and to keep notations as you go along, to follow the &quot;argument.&quot;  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Can Maximus foster direct interest without the buttressing of critical and editorial supports?  For the ordinary reader, I doubt it.  It&#39;s likely that </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114900157104268503'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114900157104268503'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1149001560000#c114900157104268503' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 30, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114896753465750674</id><published>2006-05-30T01:38:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-30T01:38:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Oh, one thing I would argue firmly is that CO&#39;s st...</title><summary type='text'>Oh, one thing I would argue firmly is that CO&#39;s stance is NOT described accurately by &quot;not having a morality is a morality.&quot; Again, whatever comes through, it&#39;s not that bare and empty brand of negativity...</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114896753465750674'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114896753465750674'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148967480000#c114896753465750674' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 30, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114896740823542370</id><published>2006-05-30T01:36:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-30T01:36:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I was afraid you&#39;d ask me that, Kirby. Alas, I don...</title><summary type='text'>I was afraid you&#39;d ask me that, Kirby. Alas, I don&#39;t have time to dig through &lt;I&gt;Maximus&lt;/I&gt; at the moment. I wasn&#39;t really meaning to argue with you, just to get clearer on what you mean by &quot;morality.&quot; Olson&#39;s whole poetic project seems to me to be highly ethically motivated and principled--though the ethics of it are a bit of a hodgepodge. The stances on government, democracy, knowledge, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114896740823542370'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114896740823542370'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148967360000#c114896740823542370' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 30, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114893447539190819</id><published>2006-05-29T16:27:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-29T16:27:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I&#39;m serious about this. I really like Charles Olso...</title><summary type='text'>I&#39;m serious about this. I really like Charles Olson&#39;s poetry, but I can&#39;t find any morality in it.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114893447539190819'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114893447539190819'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148934420000#c114893447539190819' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 29, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114892300556187915</id><published>2006-05-29T13:16:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-29T13:16:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Andy, could you give me an example -- like cite a ...</title><summary type='text'>Andy, could you give me an example -- like cite a poem, and cite a line in a poem, that you think shows a morality?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114892300556187915'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114892300556187915'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148922960000#c114892300556187915' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 29, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114886943027338964</id><published>2006-05-28T22:23:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-28T22:23:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kirby, Do you really not find any morality in his ...</title><summary type='text'>Kirby, &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Do you really not find any morality in his &lt;I&gt;work&lt;/I&gt;? I mean, the guy seems to have been a major bully--I wouldn&#39;t want to be anywhere near him--and a machine for devouring anything, but the poetry itself, especially in &lt;I&gt;Maximus&lt;/I&gt;, has plenty of solid ethical pronouncements. I don&#39;t agree with all of them--even with his particular idea of democracy--but they are there, I </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114886943027338964'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114886943027338964'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148869380000#c114886943027338964' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 28, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114885614925719093</id><published>2006-05-28T18:42:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-28T18:42:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Paul, that&#39;s not moral what you say.  It&#39;s just fl...</title><summary type='text'>Paul, that&#39;s not moral what you say.  It&#39;s just flakiness.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Now if that&#39;s what you mean by Olson&#39;s morality, I would just call it flakiness.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But I guess it passes for morality in certain quarters like the nutcases in Eugene,OR pizza shop who happily informed me that they didn&#39;t use yeast in the pizza because that would privilege one species over another.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I had wondered </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114885614925719093'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114885614925719093'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148856120000#c114885614925719093' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 28, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114861479522806716</id><published>2006-05-25T23:39:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-25T23:39:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Yes, that sixth chapter deals directly with Olson’...</title><summary type='text'>Yes, that sixth chapter deals directly with Olson’s relation to ‘coverage of the whole field of knowledge’ in the form of Keatsean ‘negative capability’ resulting in Eshelman saying:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;“To acknowledge ambiguity is also to recognize ambivalence, and the poetic obligation to allow contradictions to coexist as part of the fullest showing possible.”&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I don’t know if Creeley ever wrote </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114861479522806716'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114861479522806716'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148614740000#c114861479522806716' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 25, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114860727206995257</id><published>2006-05-25T21:34:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-25T21:34:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ian,Thanks for presenting that &#39;truth&#39; and &#39;tree&#39; ...</title><summary type='text'>Ian,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thanks for presenting that &#39;truth&#39; and &#39;tree&#39; idea--I &lt;I&gt;didn&#39;t&lt;/I&gt; ever hear Creeley speak about that. The Eshelman essay in the OlsonNow archives is quite interesting.  He&#39;s entitled to wonder, as he does, why Olson couldn&#39;t get much Ice Age material into the Maximus poems.  But at least O. didn&#39;t dishonestly toss some such matter into the poem just because people would expect to </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114860727206995257'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114860727206995257'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148607240000#c114860727206995257' title=''/><author><name>Stephen Baraban</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09637400683517160112</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-290229728"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 25, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114860097410407354</id><published>2006-05-25T19:49:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-25T19:49:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Hence the popularity of the Da Vinci code.</title><summary type='text'>Hence the popularity of the Da Vinci code.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114860097410407354'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114860097410407354'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148600940000#c114860097410407354' title=''/><author><name>joe green</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12257285616529795340</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1849826838"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 25, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114859202462477702</id><published>2006-05-25T17:20:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-25T17:20:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I’ve enjoyed reading the Olson posts along with th...</title><summary type='text'>I’ve enjoyed reading the Olson posts along with the comments as well as Ron’s links to other blogging models like Adorno’s and Frank Sherlock’s link on Phillysound.blogspot.com to the Olson Now archives.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One thing I noticed on Eshelman’s essay on the archives is how he relates Olson’s discursive style to skipping stones as Ron compares the belief of one idea leading to the next to the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114859202462477702'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114859202462477702'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148592000000#c114859202462477702' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 25, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114853757202999927</id><published>2006-05-25T02:12:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-25T02:12:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kirby  said:...If he&#39;s listening to the sound rath...</title><summary type='text'>Kirby  said:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If he&#39;s listening to the sound rather than the logic of what he&#39;s saying, which is what he says he&#39;s doing, then we should just look at the sound links that complete the phrases, rather than any logical links. He himself says there aren&#39;t going to be any logical links, am I right? The overlap is not conceptual but aural, using syllables, to play off.     May 24,</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114853757202999927'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114853757202999927'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148537520000#c114853757202999927' title=''/><author><name>Washington Poets Association</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14186338347578079141</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-679927556"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 25, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114851426959277543</id><published>2006-05-24T19:44:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-24T19:44:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>What do &quot;you&quot; and &quot;I&quot; have in common?They&#39;re both ...</title><summary type='text'>What do &quot;you&quot; and &quot;I&quot; have in common?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;They&#39;re both diphthongs.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Not single phonemes.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I simply can&#39;t read Olson and think about his breath.  Too often I&#39;d hyperventilate!</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114851426959277543'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114851426959277543'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148514240000#c114851426959277543' title=''/><author><name>John</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10346667118243205070</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1530025638"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114848437294586076</id><published>2006-05-24T11:26:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-24T11:26:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Could it be, CA, that the body&#39;s anticipatory &quot;tin...</title><summary type='text'>Could it be, CA, that the body&#39;s anticipatory &quot;tingle&quot; juvenated a minute spark of bit in the brain that had lain dormant--the memory queue--or the &quot;field&quot; of sleeping synapses which is always just beneath the surface of waking consciousness.  We then &quot;associate&quot; that accidental sparked memory with the spot on the body where the memory had been &quot;summoned&quot;--  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;No?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Like that </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114848437294586076'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114848437294586076'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148484360000#c114848437294586076' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114846792622114421</id><published>2006-05-24T06:52:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-24T06:52:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>This is something I have been fascinated with sinc...</title><summary type='text'>This is something I have been fascinated with since my most unusual massage therapist moved across the country.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Before he would massage he would hold his hands an inch or so above me, sweeping the length of my body and occasionally stop, hover.  I could feel the heat of where he had stopped.  He would then begin to tell me something about my past, something remarkable.  Remarkable both </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114846792622114421'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114846792622114421'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148467920000#c114846792622114421' title=''/><author><name>poet CAConrad</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/17360262447900081942</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-866494505"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114846745094713691</id><published>2006-05-24T06:44:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-24T06:44:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'></title><summary type='text'>This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114846745094713691'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114846745094713691'/><author><name>phaneronoemikon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08430230355065457354</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name='blogger.contentRemoved' value='true'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1411460047"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114846157840026819</id><published>2006-05-24T05:06:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-24T05:06:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'></title><summary type='text'>This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114846157840026819'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114846157840026819'/><author><name>phaneronoemikon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08430230355065457354</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name='blogger.contentRemoved' value='true'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1411460047"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114845169970156625</id><published>2006-05-24T02:21:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-24T02:21:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>kirby, the overlap is both conceptual and aural, &quot;...</title><summary type='text'>kirby, the overlap is both conceptual and aural, &quot;the union of the mind and ear.&quot; the syllable is the pin &quot;of versification,&quot; that is, what determines line and stanza breaks and interlinear space or margination. much of olson is &quot;logically linked,&quot; albeit an associative logic - the aurality comes in when determining the hold of the mind&#39;s breath in any given line, but does not trump the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114845169970156625'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114845169970156625'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148451660000#c114845169970156625' title=''/><author><name>csperez</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12750899028081321109</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1479745132"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114844782260368053</id><published>2006-05-24T01:17:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-24T01:17:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>is, close, -cest, force, shar-the variety of s sou...</title><summary type='text'>is, close, -cest, force, shar-&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;the variety of s sounds seems to be driving this, &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;the kingpin the king and pin, he&#39;s just taking syllables apart from the larger words, and then playing them back together&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I don&#39;t think he can do all that and think conceptually at the same time, or reason on a larger scale.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think ultimately he gives up on philosophy -- or at </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114844782260368053'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114844782260368053'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148447820000#c114844782260368053' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114844738108041464</id><published>2006-05-24T01:09:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-24T01:09:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>If he&#39;s listening to the sound rather than the log...</title><summary type='text'>If he&#39;s listening to the sound rather than the logic of what he&#39;s saying, which is what he says he&#39;s doing, then we should just look at the sound links that complete the phrases, rather than any logical links.  He himself says there aren&#39;t going to be any logical links, am I right?  The overlap is not conceptual but aural, using syllables, to play off.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114844738108041464'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114844738108041464'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148447340000#c114844738108041464' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114844224035750053</id><published>2006-05-23T23:44:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-23T23:44:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The translation issue is crucial here too.The pecu...</title><summary type='text'>The translation issue is crucial here too.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The peculiarly &quot;original&quot; quality of how words are first apprehended by the innocent child-mind (i.e., the first language) is tied to the &quot;native tongue.&quot;  No one who learns a language SECOND, or SECOND-HAND can really have that original sense of it.  It&#39;s all a mimicry.  Nabokov is a perfect example of this, in that his sense of English was </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114844224035750053'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114844224035750053'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148442240000#c114844224035750053' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114842597361327149</id><published>2006-05-23T19:12:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-23T19:12:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>re the least careless &amp; least logical .. i think t...</title><summary type='text'>re the least careless &amp; least logical .. i think this is where translation is often dissatisfying .. because its not careless but it is logical</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114842597361327149'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114838604635201240/comments/default/114842597361327149'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html?showComment=1148425920000#c114842597361327149' title=''/><author><name>michaelf</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03896092358881060164</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/there-is-hinge-of-sorts-in-charles.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114838604635201240' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114838604635201240' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-107943565"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2006"/></entry></feed>