<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post114907607464930114..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>24</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114921884307831810</id><published>2006-06-01T23:27:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-01T23:27:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The issue isn&#39;t (or shouldn&#39;t be) a choice between...</title><summary type='text'>The issue isn&#39;t (or shouldn&#39;t be) a choice between the possible (or &quot;proper&quot;) responses to war.  Levertov and Duncan regarded their function in the world at that point differently.  I don&#39;t fault either party for their positions.  They defended their respective choices with passion and conviction.  Both were, to a large degree, &quot;correct.&quot;  It is possible to &quot;make a difference&quot; politically through</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114921884307831810'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114921884307831810'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149218820000#c114921884307831810' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 01, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114921313093733401</id><published>2006-06-01T21:52:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-01T21:52:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I don&#39;t know who&#39;s &quot;right&quot; here, but it&#39;s certainl...</title><summary type='text'>I don&#39;t know who&#39;s &quot;right&quot; here, but it&#39;s certainly refreshing to hear someone (Curtis) take the Levertov side of this oft-mentioned schism. I haven&#39;t read much Levertov (though I like what I&#39;ve read), so don&#39;t know what I think of the &quot;protest&quot; work yet. Though I suspect that I&#39;ll at least respect her decision, and find it distasteful that everyone always bashes her for it. We&#39;ll see. Maybe it&#39;s</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114921313093733401'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114921313093733401'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149213120000#c114921313093733401' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 01, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114921291716576408</id><published>2006-06-01T21:48:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-01T21:48:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'></title><summary type='text'>This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114921291716576408'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114921291716576408'/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name='blogger.contentRemoved' value='true'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 01, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114919080022240373</id><published>2006-06-01T15:40:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-01T15:40:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>PN:&quot;It&#39;s funny, but I saw your first line last. It...</title><summary type='text'>PN:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;It&#39;s funny, but I saw your first line last. It was telling. I can appreciate that you don&#39;t understand what I was saying, and that&#39;s ok.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Paul, I can appreciate that your method of argument is constantly to insist that the &quot;other&quot; doesn&#39;t understand what you are attempting to say.  That&#39;s an old debating trick, but trying to provoke frustration by condescending to the &quot;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114919080022240373'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114919080022240373'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149190800000#c114919080022240373' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 01, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114918182987530295</id><published>2006-06-01T13:10:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-01T13:10:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Andy,p. 79 of Selected Writings by Charles Olson, ...</title><summary type='text'>Andy,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;p. 79 of Selected Writings by Charles Olson, ed. Creeley, &quot;(Communism, here, by the way, is solid, but is, as not in the States, nor, so far as I have been able to judge, in Russia or Europe either, is a cultural revolution, or at least the weapon of same, the only one the Indian (like the Chinese?) has been able to get his hands on (this whole Peninsula--where Cardenas got his </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114918182987530295'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114918182987530295'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149181800000#c114918182987530295' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 01, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114917627891791844</id><published>2006-06-01T11:37:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-01T11:37:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>splabman,great analysis here.Keep in mind that Dun...</title><summary type='text'>splabman,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;great analysis here.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Keep in mind that Duncan&#39;s volume splits that word &quot;groundwork&quot; in half:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;_Ground Work_.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Do you like that classic tune by America &quot;A Horse With No Name&quot;, written by the under-appreciated Dewey Bunnell?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thanks Al. Glad to see Heaven has been good to you. I did love that song when I was ten and I think it still holds up</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114917627891791844'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114917627891791844'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149176220000#c114917627891791844' title=''/><author><name>Washington Poets Association</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14186338347578079141</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-679927556"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 01, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114917506302566893</id><published>2006-06-01T11:17:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-01T11:17:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Andy, I think Olson is a Maoist poseur in this pho...</title><summary type='text'>Andy, I think Olson is a Maoist poseur in this photograph.  He was also unhappy aboard the boat he pretended to like.  He posed.  It&#39;s amazing how well he poses, for a poet.  In all the pictures I see him posing, and pretending to be something he&#39;s not.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And he does mention Mao quite postively in many places.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Maoism was the big fuss of the 50s-70s and colors almost everyone on </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114917506302566893'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114917506302566893'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149175020000#c114917506302566893' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 01, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114916992172901735</id><published>2006-06-01T09:52:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-01T09:52:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>splabman,great analysis here. Keep in mind that Du...</title><summary type='text'>splabman,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;great analysis here. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Keep in mind that Duncan&#39;s volume splits that word &quot;groundwork&quot; in half:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;_Ground Work_.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Do you like that classic tune by America &quot;A Horse With No Name&quot;, written by the under-appreciated Dewey Bunnell? &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I was reading quickly through Robert Smithson the other day and noticed a connection to the lyrics. Interesting how a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114916992172901735'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114916992172901735'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149169920000#c114916992172901735' title=''/><author><name>AlGinsberg</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10741391688261637474</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1385907536"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 01, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114914979344911733</id><published>2006-06-01T04:16:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-01T04:16:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>When is any mark (line, letter, scratch) not from ...</title><summary type='text'>When is any mark (line, letter, scratch) not from the body?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And WHOSE breath are we talking&lt;BR/&gt;about? Some people breathe, and&lt;BR/&gt;speak completely different from&lt;BR/&gt;others..&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;To imply there is a universality&lt;BR/&gt;in the apprehended structure of&lt;BR/&gt;english as a formal  &#39;understanding&#39; of breath&lt;BR/&gt;or that there is an apriori structure to breathing during the enactment of </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114914979344911733'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114914979344911733'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149149760000#c114914979344911733' title=''/><author><name>phaneronoemikon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08430230355065457354</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1411460047"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 01, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114914520978402517</id><published>2006-06-01T03:00:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-01T03:00:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>What Kirby calls &quot;confusion&quot; I indeed see as the e...</title><summary type='text'>What Kirby calls &quot;confusion&quot; I indeed see as the exploratory aspect Myshkin2 points to above--CO&#39;s poetics don&#39;t add up to a doctrine. Which is why the stuff in the second half of Ron&#39;s post can stand on its own, without the &quot;breath&quot; stuff. With Curtis, I&#39;m skeptical of the latter, but I don&#39;t think Olson&#39;s poetics become utterly obsolete in the light of &quot;mind.&quot; Though I also didn&#39;t get Duncan &#39;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114914520978402517'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114914520978402517'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149145200000#c114914520978402517' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 01, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114914506991676895</id><published>2006-06-01T02:57:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-01T02:57:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'></title><summary type='text'>This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114914506991676895'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114914506991676895'/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name='blogger.contentRemoved' value='true'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 01, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114914387993409887</id><published>2006-06-01T02:37:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-01T02:37:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I don&#39;t know what you mean by &quot;ontological&quot; here, ...</title><summary type='text'>I don&#39;t know what you mean by &quot;ontological&quot; here, Ron... ?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;but this is an interesting series of looks at Olson&#39;s poetics. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Maybe there are three terms at work here: form, content, and &quot;observation&quot; or &quot;content II.&quot; There are two German words for &quot;content:&quot; &lt;I&gt;Inhalt&lt;/I&gt;, meaning the subject matter of a work, and &lt;I&gt;Gehalt&lt;/I&gt;, its substance or essence. Form, then, might be an </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114914387993409887'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114914387993409887'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149143820000#c114914387993409887' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 01, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114913516475785497</id><published>2006-06-01T00:12:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-01T00:12:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis,It&#39;s funny, but I saw your first line last....</title><summary type='text'>Curtis,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It&#39;s funny, but I saw your first line last. It was telling. I can appreciate that you don&#39;t understand what I was saying, and that&#39;s ok. If you were to read Michael Palmer&#39;s introduction to the new edition of &lt;I&gt;Groundwork&lt;/I&gt;, you&#39;ll see his take on the Duncan/Levertov disagreement and he&#39;s much more eloquent and erudite than me. I&#39;ve written several essays on how cosmology </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114913516475785497'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114913516475785497'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149135120000#c114913516475785497' title=''/><author><name>Washington Poets Association</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14186338347578079141</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-679927556"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 01, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114910693414693832</id><published>2006-05-31T16:22:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-31T16:22:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Interesting post, Kirby.  Olson probably would be ...</title><summary type='text'>Interesting post, Kirby.  Olson probably would be turning over in his grave, if indeed the Moonies now run Gloucester.  Or its fishing enterprise.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Olson made a clear case for projective verse--for the line as an expression of the body as functioning organic metaphor for the creative act--to link the literal functions of the human body--that fact of that--to the written word.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114910693414693832'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114910693414693832'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149106920000#c114910693414693832' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 31, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114910304162111819</id><published>2006-05-31T15:17:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-31T15:17:00.001-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Olson appears to be confused in his treatment of b...</title><summary type='text'>Olson appears to be confused in his treatment of breath, syllables, objects, and much else.  I don&#39;t think he arrives at any clear principles to be handed on for use by others.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Everythign that Ron cites here:  It&#39;s just a mess.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I like Olson&#39;s emphasis on the Investigative, but after reading the Maximus poems I came to the conclusion that he was confused there, too.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114910304162111819'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114910304162111819'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149103020001#c114910304162111819' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 31, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114910303612495731</id><published>2006-05-31T15:17:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-31T15:17:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>P.S. Now that I see how my hard work of transcribi...</title><summary type='text'>P.S. Now that I see how my hard work of transcribing the McClure poem has been wated because the formatting of this blog prevents the proper form on the page. ARGH!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;PN</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114910303612495731'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114910303612495731'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149103020000#c114910303612495731' title=''/><author><name>Washington Poets Association</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14186338347578079141</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-679927556"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 31, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114910292853951726</id><published>2006-05-31T15:15:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-31T15:15:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis said: &quot;As for Michael McClure being a disci...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis said: &quot;As for Michael McClure being a disciple of Projective Verse, I can certainly think of more appropriate examples. Do you really believe his work a demonstration and utilization of projective principles? How? (be specific).&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Michael said in the introduction to Three Poems: &quot;There are three lives here in one book: Dolphin Skull, Rare Angel, and Dark Brown. each is like a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114910292853951726'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114910292853951726'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149102900000#c114910292853951726' title=''/><author><name>Washington Poets Association</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14186338347578079141</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-679927556"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 31, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114909738417922779</id><published>2006-05-31T13:43:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-31T13:43:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Give me an example of a single Ginsberg poem which...</title><summary type='text'>Give me an example of a single Ginsberg poem which consciously utilizes the spacial elements of the physical page, beyond the use of the left margin to start his lines, and the division of stanzas.  That&#39;s my point.  Ginsberg was fully capable of enumerating the kinds of effects and formal conditions of verse, but personally he was primarily interested in the declaiming of verse, the spoken </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114909738417922779'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114909738417922779'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149097380000#c114909738417922779' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 31, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114909624149085458</id><published>2006-05-31T13:24:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-31T13:24:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis said:&quot;...The other half is the physical pos...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis said:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;...The other half is the physical positioning of the poem on the page, which Olson explored fitfully, but which is totally ignored in Ginsberg (whom I suspect regarded visual play as a trivial pastime with no relation to his audience and the fact of that connection).&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In 1977 Allen Ginsberg said, in &quot;Some Different Considerations in Mindful Arrangement of Open </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114909624149085458'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114909624149085458'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149096240000#c114909624149085458' title=''/><author><name>Washington Poets Association</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14186338347578079141</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-679927556"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 31, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114909344475048603</id><published>2006-05-31T12:37:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-31T12:37:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The Ginsberg/Olson trajectory of relying upon the ...</title><summary type='text'>The Ginsberg/Olson trajectory of relying upon the physical body (breath/heart/body) as metaphor for the creative act itself, was only half the equation.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The other half is the physical positioning of the poem on the page, which Olson explored fitfully, but which is totally ignored in Ginsberg (whom I suspect regarded visual play as a trivial pastime with no relation to his audience and </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114909344475048603'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114909344475048603'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149093420000#c114909344475048603' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 31, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114909280315085659</id><published>2006-05-31T12:26:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-31T12:26:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>hmmm...interesting connection to the objectivists....</title><summary type='text'>hmmm...interesting connection to the objectivists. there seems also to be a nod towards Stein, particulary with the comment on the &quot;descriptive functions&quot; in realtion to Observation and Objects. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thanks Ron!</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114909280315085659'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114909280315085659'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149092760000#c114909280315085659' title=''/><author><name>csperez</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12750899028081321109</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1479745132"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 31, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114909080590739437</id><published>2006-05-31T11:53:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-31T11:53:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>It is interesting that Duncan, who was inspired by...</title><summary type='text'>It is interesting that Duncan, who was inspired by Olson, and not Ginsberg, said of Ginsberg&#39;s &quot;Howl&quot; that it was not the &quot;Organic&quot; gesture, as Duncan described his own work, as well as Olson&#39;s and Levertov&#39;s early work, but &quot;Free Verse. This is a critical distinction in understanding what Olson was getting at with Projective Verse. According to Duncan, in Free Verse:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;...The poem </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114909080590739437'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114909080590739437'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149090780000#c114909080590739437' title=''/><author><name>Washington Poets Association</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14186338347578079141</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-679927556"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 31, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114908939399769365</id><published>2006-05-31T11:29:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-31T11:29:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I really like this idea of probing--rather than th...</title><summary type='text'>I really like this idea of probing--rather than the very irritable grasping after orthodoxy that I encounter in much of the poetics-talk I find here. Let&#39;s not forget that orthodox simply means &quot;straight-teeth.&quot;  And if one prefers genuine searching, probing, attempts at after-the-fact explaining, then it&#39;s best to forego that perfect smug smile of orthodonture.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114908939399769365'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114908939399769365'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149089340000#c114908939399769365' title=''/><author><name>myshkin2</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12334340208396536106</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-16179833"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 31, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114908427100623612</id><published>2006-05-31T10:04:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-31T10:04:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Dear Ron----I&#39;m not sure if I can make any further...</title><summary type='text'>Dear Ron----&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#39;m not sure if I can make any further contributions here to your already well thought out responses to Olson&#39;s views about projective verse. One thing I&#39;ve considered over the years is that Olson and his generation simply did not have a vocabu;ary steeped in mind training such as Ginsberg, later Anne Waldman. So my sense is that he is &quot;probing&quot;, to use a Marshall McLuhan </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114908427100623612'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114907607464930114/comments/default/114908427100623612'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html?showComment=1149084240000#c114908427100623612' title=''/><author><name>Revolutionary Poetics</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13841503564925008530</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/but-syllable-is-only-first-child-of.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114907607464930114' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114907607464930114' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-634170888"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 31, 2006"/></entry></feed>