<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post115020239809349679..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>22</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115046705864914318</id><published>2006-06-16T10:10:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-16T10:10:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>There seem to be particular sorts of word-endings ...</title><summary type='text'>There seem to be particular sorts of word-endings that encourage this --&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;belief [n.] / believe [v.]&lt;BR/&gt;grief / grieve&lt;BR/&gt;relief / relieve&lt;BR/&gt;thief / thieve&lt;BR/&gt;use [n.] / use [v.]&lt;BR/&gt;abuse / abuse&lt;BR/&gt;excuse [n.] / excuse [v.]&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;but&lt;BR/&gt;perception / perceive&lt;BR/&gt;conclusion / conclude&lt;BR/&gt;infusion / infuse&lt;BR/&gt;confusion / confuse&lt;BR/&gt;production / produce&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;you build a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115046705864914318'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115046705864914318'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150467000000#c115046705864914318' title=''/><author><name>david raphael israel</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07535589040322113419</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1441140986"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115045071259442759</id><published>2006-06-16T05:38:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-16T05:38:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Well, it&#39;s a casual start.  One suspects English m...</title><summary type='text'>Well, it&#39;s a casual start.  One suspects English must have at least some scores of noun/verb pairs (or perhaps a few hundred??) -- but how many show the interesting phonetic shift, I&#39;ve no idea.  Have no clue....&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;clue [n.] / clue [v.] -- no shift&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;well there is:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;thought [n.] / thought [v. past-tense]&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;understanding [n.] / understanding [v. gerund form]&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115045071259442759'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115045071259442759'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150450680000#c115045071259442759' title=''/><author><name>david raphael israel</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07535589040322113419</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1441140986"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115043336145262829</id><published>2006-06-16T00:49:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-16T00:49:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ah, this is useful, David. I&#39;ve been meaning to as...</title><summary type='text'>Ah, this is useful, David. I&#39;ve been meaning to assemble a catalog of these, have assumed that somebody&#39;s already done it, and have forgotten to look. Thanks.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115043336145262829'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115043336145262829'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150433340000#c115043336145262829' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115042811879041704</id><published>2006-06-15T23:21:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-15T23:21:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>breath v. breatheI preferthe breath to the pageI p...</title><summary type='text'>breath v. breathe&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I prefer&lt;BR/&gt;the breath to the page&lt;BR/&gt;I prefer&lt;BR/&gt;to breathe to the page&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;So: are there other words like the breath / breathe pair?&lt;BR/&gt;It&#39;s a rather elegant shift from noun to verb.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One that comes quicly to mind is &lt;BR/&gt;house [n.] / house [v.] (which has a similar phonetic shift, though spelled the same either way).&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;voice [n.] / voice [v.] </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115042811879041704'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115042811879041704'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150428060000#c115042811879041704' title=''/><author><name>david raphael israel</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07535589040322113419</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1441140986"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 15, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115038314854109321</id><published>2006-06-15T10:52:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-15T10:52:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Andy, I meant &#39;the breath&#39; of course but what&#39;s th...</title><summary type='text'>Andy, I meant &#39;the breath&#39; of course but what&#39;s the Ted Berrigan quote, that &#39;all typos are correct.&#39;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115038314854109321'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115038314854109321'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150383120000#c115038314854109321' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 15, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115038104310117043</id><published>2006-06-15T10:17:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-15T10:17:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Andy:Larry&#39;s work started out fairly predictably a...</title><summary type='text'>Andy:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Larry&#39;s work started out fairly predictably as imitations of Frost, but quickly moved towards his mature style when he met Cid Corman in the early 1950&#39;s.  He came under the influence of Robert Grenier in the 1970&#39;s when he came West from Swamscott to live Berkeley, where his brother Richard lived, and Grenier lived with and cared for him for several years.  Larry&#39;s and Bob&#39;s work </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115038104310117043'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115038104310117043'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150381020000#c115038104310117043' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 15, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115036532315258029</id><published>2006-06-15T05:55:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-15T05:55:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ian,The typo in your last sentence gives it an amb...</title><summary type='text'>Ian,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The typo in your last sentence gives it an ambiguity shared in its written and oral forms. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Or is there more than one typo? It depends on the other typo. Thank goodness it&#39;s written down, or I wouldn&#39;t have experienced this doubling. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Indeed, Curtis, interesting stuff. I&#39;d point out that Eigner&#39;s dissociations also highlight association, now as an activity instead </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115036532315258029'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115036532315258029'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150365300000#c115036532315258029' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 15, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115034720696257184</id><published>2006-06-15T00:53:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-15T00:53:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis, great points: Bringing abnormal psych into...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis, great points: Bringing abnormal psych into this gets into the psychosocial dimensions of visual and spoken poetry.  The act of writing something down is more detached from a social context than speech and lends itself to different methods of experiment, making it more natural to people to engage the arbitrariness of language.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The term ‘spoken word’ relating to performances was a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115034720696257184'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115034720696257184'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150347180000#c115034720696257184' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 15, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115031248281630656</id><published>2006-06-14T15:14:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-14T15:14:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron,A minor point: I&#39;m well aware of cognitive lin...</title><summary type='text'>Ron,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A minor point: I&#39;m well aware of cognitive linguistics; however, the major paradigm in contemporary linguistics is still a Chomskyan one (transformational-generative). &lt;BR/&gt;Lakoff, Langacker, Fauconnier, etc are still in the minority as far as their research paradigm goes. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Also, I still stand by my point that modern linguistics didn&#39;t really exist until Chomsky and the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115031248281630656'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115031248281630656'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150312440000#c115031248281630656' title=''/><author><name>Rocco DiStreitlmahn</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05401952796335386301</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-522616634"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 14, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115029805417379278</id><published>2006-06-14T11:14:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-14T11:14:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Rocco:Thank you for the clarification. My intentio...</title><summary type='text'>Rocco:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thank you for the clarification. My intention was to report a vague understanding on my own part of the theories that relate the &quot;rejection&quot; of the &quot;given&quot; in the learning process as an example of &quot;anti-cultural&quot; behavior.  Thus, from the classic Freudian standpoint--and I&#39;m not talking here about clinical cognitive disorders--the suspicion with acculturation can manifest itself </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115029805417379278'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115029805417379278'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150298040000#c115029805417379278' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 14, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115029618959485551</id><published>2006-06-14T10:43:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-14T10:43:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Pound was no vispoet… he was as interested in phon...</title><summary type='text'>Pound was no vispoet… he was as interested in phonetics as anyone.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115029618959485551'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115029618959485551'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150296180000#c115029618959485551' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 14, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115029371400543164</id><published>2006-06-14T10:01:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-14T10:01:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron your footnote is a bit misleading. The distinc...</title><summary type='text'>Ron your footnote is a bit misleading. The distinction between conjunctive and disjunctive semiotics went back to the ancients and remained controversial through the middle ages and renaissance. Locke viewed language as being only arbitrarily related to things too. As I understand it, Saussure doesn&#39;t come as some kind of rupture in word thought, but as a supreme codifier of ancient traditions in</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115029371400543164'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115029371400543164'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150293660000#c115029371400543164' title=''/><author><name>D. Smith</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13074108273495335292</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-495894958"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 14, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115026253381407154</id><published>2006-06-14T01:22:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-14T01:22:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Rocco,Chomsky is third generation contemporary lin...</title><summary type='text'>Rocco,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Chomsky is third generation contemporary linguistics at least (first Saussure, second Bloomfield &amp; Jakobson). The cognitive linguists, starting with Lakoff, tend to be dismissive (or, as several would say, corrective) of Chomsky &amp; often go back to Jakobson as part of the correction. Lakoff was a math major at MIT until he wanted to take a course in poetry &amp; got Jakobson for a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115026253381407154'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115026253381407154'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150262520000#c115026253381407154' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 14, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115025804399766036</id><published>2006-06-14T00:07:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-14T00:07:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;Abnormal psychology tells us that linguistic aber...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;Abnormal psychology tells us that linguistic aberration is related to certain failures in socialization and behavior. It may be that individuals with conduits or doors into the deeper connectivity inside given language systems, or &quot;underneath&quot; the surface of linguistic practice (sound, picture [symbol] and subliminal apprehension) can manipulate language in ways &#39;most people&#39; can&#39;t.&quot; &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115025804399766036'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115025804399766036'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150258020000#c115025804399766036' title=''/><author><name>Rocco DiStreitlmahn</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05401952796335386301</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-522616634"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 14, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115024770846740991</id><published>2006-06-13T21:15:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-13T21:15:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Olson&#39;s prescience was in attempting to get beyond...</title><summary type='text'>Olson&#39;s prescience was in attempting to get beyond the clutter of accreted meaning and association of the vocabulary of &quot;words&quot;--towards an original orientation that could accommodate creativity at its most vital point (ingenium).  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;We suspect, with good sense, that language was born orally, and that written language succeeded it.  The simplicity and ingenuity of birthing sound to &quot;stand</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115024770846740991'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115024770846740991'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150247700000#c115024770846740991' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115024389688922393</id><published>2006-06-13T20:11:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-13T20:11:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'></title><summary type='text'>This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115024389688922393'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115024389688922393'/><author><name>phaneronoemikon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08430230355065457354</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name='blogger.contentRemoved' value='true'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1411460047"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115023862177673009</id><published>2006-06-13T18:43:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-13T18:43:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron,Re your footnote: FYI: Saussure WAS a 19th cen...</title><summary type='text'>Ron,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Re your footnote: &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;FYI: Saussure WAS a 19th century philologist. He is still considered important for the work he did in historical linguistics (aka &quot;philology), and obviously is an important figure in the history of linguistics, but as I understand he is no longer considered an important linguistic thinker in his own right outside of literature and cultural studies </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115023862177673009'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115023862177673009'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150238580000#c115023862177673009' title=''/><author><name>Rocco DiStreitlmahn</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05401952796335386301</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-522616634"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115023398989295064</id><published>2006-06-13T17:26:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-13T17:26:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>David, it&#39;s also been a while since I read the Fen...</title><summary type='text'>David, it&#39;s also been a while since I read the Fenollosa book, but I believe your account of its limitations regarding the phonetic component of Chinese characters is accurate.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115023398989295064'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115023398989295064'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150233960000#c115023398989295064' title=''/><author><name>Kirk Johnson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05529898733002317995</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-895736745"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115023175442090008</id><published>2006-06-13T16:49:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-13T16:49:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>long &quot;academic&quot;ish footnote(in case of interest)So...</title><summary type='text'>long &quot;academic&quot;ish footnote&lt;BR/&gt;(in case of interest)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Somewhat in context of Ron&#39;s remark about Olson&#39;s conception of the sound of words as &quot;preceding&quot; their sense, it occurs to me (as a student of Chinese) to remark on one thing about the Fenollosa rumination on Chinese characters.  Since he was working from Japanese (rather than Chinese), -- and, too, was working in the 19th century or</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115023175442090008'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115023175442090008'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150231740000#c115023175442090008' title=''/><author><name>david raphael israel</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07535589040322113419</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1441140986"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115022608887115664</id><published>2006-06-13T15:14:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-13T15:14:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Lévi Strauss favored study of comparative models, ...</title><summary type='text'>Lévi Strauss favored study of comparative models, such as Pound’s simultaneous invocation of Fenollosa’s ideogram study and the troubadours, over a single tradition of linguistics, debt to Saussure notwithstanding.  Finnegans Wake is one of the many creation myths amongst the colorful tribes.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115022608887115664'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115022608887115664'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150226040000#c115022608887115664' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020670295706922</id><published>2006-06-13T09:51:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-13T09:51:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Nice -- one hopes the film (when completed) will g...</title><summary type='text'>Nice -- one hopes the film (when completed) will get widely screened.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ron, typo alert:&lt;BR/&gt;&gt; phonetics proceeds [sic] grammar</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115020670295706922'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115020670295706922'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150206660000#c115020670295706922' title=''/><author><name>david raphael israel</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07535589040322113419</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1441140986"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020466925215245</id><published>2006-06-13T09:17:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-06-13T09:17:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Copied and pasted from this morning&#39;s SF Gate (the...</title><summary type='text'>Copied and pasted from this morning&#39;s SF Gate (the website of the SF Chronicle)-- it is a little long for the comment box, but on point:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Inspiration for Beat poets honored in film&lt;BR/&gt;- James Sullivan, Special to The Chronicle&lt;BR/&gt;Tuesday, June 13, 2006&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;When Charles Olson appeared at the landmark Berkeley Poetry Conference in 1965, he filled the room in more ways than one. A </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115020466925215245'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115020239809349679/comments/default/115020466925215245'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html?showComment=1150204620000#c115020466925215245' title=''/><author><name>Steven Fama</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04378273134042527425</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/06/word-writing.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115020239809349679' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115020239809349679' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1945919831"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2006"/></entry></feed>