<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post115521148354090762..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>21</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115583029029945258</id><published>2006-08-17T11:58:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-17T11:58:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>He&#39;s playing with poetic diction and syntax and ma...</title><summary type='text'>He&#39;s playing with poetic diction and syntax and making clear references to Whitman and others.  It&#39;s pretty fun, in my view.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Perhaps I feel a certain kinship with him due to his name.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#39;d like to have this book.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115583029029945258'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115583029029945258'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155830280000#c115583029029945258' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 17, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115575489997188495</id><published>2006-08-16T15:01:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-16T15:01:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kirby, I think this is philosophically opportunist...</title><summary type='text'>Kirby, I think this is philosophically opportunistic.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One could make a point that even the worst kind of writing is not only &quot;complex&quot; but &quot;beautiful&quot;.  But that would be taking a certain kind of psychology/semantics to its absolute limit.  It isn&#39;t just &quot;styles&quot; of poetry that differ according to fashion.  Is Stephen Spender&#39;s poem &quot;I think continually of those who were truly great&quot; (</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115575489997188495'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115575489997188495'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155754860000#c115575489997188495' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115575192127459447</id><published>2006-08-16T14:12:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-16T14:12:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>There&#39;s a loose kind of brilliance in the Kirby Do...</title><summary type='text'>There&#39;s a loose kind of brilliance in the Kirby Doyle poem.  He&#39;s riffing on tobacco and theology.  It&#39;s quite fascinating.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Curtis is wrong to call it &quot;sloppy.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;That term is itself evidence of a sloppy reading.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This is really beautiful in places and sustains serious reading.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It comes off as word salad, but if read closely he&#39;s making sense.  I can&#39;t understand </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115575192127459447'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115575192127459447'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155751920000#c115575192127459447' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115552365397547716</id><published>2006-08-13T22:47:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-13T22:47:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>peregrino:I find myself in sympathy with your sent...</title><summary type='text'>peregrino:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I find myself in sympathy with your sentiments regarding the ranking of poets and the humorous content of his Doyle&#39;s work.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Poetry criticism is as much a criticism of how carefully we think and read, as it is a criticism of the specific stuff and structure of which poetry is made.  Poor or mediocre poetry might always find its audience--especially, in my view, if </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115552365397547716'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115552365397547716'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155523620000#c115552365397547716' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115552204678912831</id><published>2006-08-13T22:20:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-13T22:20:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I&#39;m quite interested that you mention he was born ...</title><summary type='text'>I&#39;m quite interested that you mention he was born in SF.  Do you know anything about his family origins?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115552204678912831'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115552204678912831'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155522000000#c115552204678912831' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115551366903113303</id><published>2006-08-13T20:01:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-13T20:01:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I knew Doyle slightly in the early 1980s, when he ...</title><summary type='text'>I knew Doyle slightly in the early 1980s, when he hanging out at the Caffee Trieste in North Beach. About this acne discussion (for whatever it&#39;s worth, and it isn&#39;t worth much), he didn&#39;t have it in the early 1980s. Kirby still had his goodlooks and was very popular with girls at the time. I remember two of them battling for his affections.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I really don&#39;t understand this need on the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115551366903113303'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115551366903113303'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155513660000#c115551366903113303' title=''/><author><name>Peregrino</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07141238031916221421</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-2119199650"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115549002007900762</id><published>2006-08-13T13:27:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-13T13:27:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>C.E. Chaffin:You write that Jamison&#39;s &quot;Touched Wit...</title><summary type='text'>C.E. Chaffin:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You write that Jamison&#39;s &quot;Touched With Fire&quot; is &quot;a less than scholarly, in fact, a rather superficial examination of the subject.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Yet you offer no alternatives. What is a more scholarly book on bipolar and poetry?  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I concede Jamison&#39;s book isn&#39;t as scholarly as the textbook &quot;Manic-Depressive Illness&quot; she wrote with Goodwin, but let&#39;s be real: &quot;Touched </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115549002007900762'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115549002007900762'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155490020000#c115549002007900762' title=''/><author><name>Steven Fama</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04378273134042527425</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1945919831"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115539702870330197</id><published>2006-08-12T11:37:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-12T11:37:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Helpful post from ombilic on French translation.  ...</title><summary type='text'>Helpful post from ombilic on French translation.  Those phrases such as bodies without organs and others are quite difficult to find a translation for.  I like the explanations.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I also liked the cystic acne explanation for the pocks.  If those are cystic acne, then they are from his teenage years and are not related to his later hard life.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;He seems to have lived indoors most </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115539702870330197'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115539702870330197'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155397020000#c115539702870330197' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 12, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115538501162612146</id><published>2006-08-12T08:16:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-12T08:16:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Perhaps what was meant was:  Moderation in support...</title><summary type='text'>Perhaps what was meant was:  Moderation in support of health is no vice.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Living on the street is no fun at all.  Or under a bridge.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ginsberg&#39;s raving genius poets of the urban underground had hard times.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Amazing that they wrote anything.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115538501162612146'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115538501162612146'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155384960000#c115538501162612146' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 12, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115535383741910980</id><published>2006-08-11T23:37:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-11T23:37:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis wrote:&quot;The picture of Doyle in &#39;old&#39; age is...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis wrote:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;The picture of Doyle in &#39;old&#39; age is a warning to us all. Control your indulgencies, or they&#39;ll ruin you.&quot; &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Control your indulgences... or you may get an icky complexion!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Best that thou stay&#39;th indoors, wear th&#39; game o&#39; languash&#39;s not th&#39; territory o&#39; th&#39; sun&#39;s priest&#39;s, lest thine skin dark&#39;n &amp; cum t&#39; seem dappl&#39;d w/ shadowy orifices o&#39; indytermnet sorse</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115535383741910980'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115535383741910980'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155353820000#c115535383741910980' title=''/><author><name>ombilic des</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03318554537326184413</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1506852026"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 11, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115532198425355443</id><published>2006-08-11T14:46:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-11T14:46:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Manic-depression, according to Jamison&#39;s book (whi...</title><summary type='text'>Manic-depression, according to Jamison&#39;s book (which is a less than scholarly, in fact, a rather superficial examination of the subject) afflicts fully 20% of &quot;name&quot; poets.  The Romantics and the Confessionalists are the best known clusters:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Keats&lt;BR/&gt;Shelley&lt;BR/&gt;Byron&lt;BR/&gt;Coleridge&lt;BR/&gt;Blake?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Lowell&lt;BR/&gt;Plath&lt;BR/&gt;Roethke&lt;BR/&gt;Jarrell&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Sexton was more likely a borderline </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115532198425355443'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115532198425355443'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155321960000#c115532198425355443' title=''/><author><name>C. E. Chaffin</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/02639448512282317750</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1172652492"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 11, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115530780864075165</id><published>2006-08-11T10:50:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-11T10:50:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Preferably Lutheran, Ron.He&#39;s saying something bou...</title><summary type='text'>Preferably Lutheran, Ron.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;He&#39;s saying something bout God.  What is it?  Something like he wishes God were different, maybe one that smoked tobacco.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You get a sense he did attend a church in his youth before he went to seed.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The guy in the back of the Diggers photo looks even nuttier than Doyle (an Irish sounding name).</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115530780864075165'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115530780864075165'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155307800000#c115530780864075165' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 11, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115527909687256193</id><published>2006-08-11T02:51:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-11T02:51:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The poem you quote explains Doyle&#39;s obscurity.  It...</title><summary type='text'>The poem you quote explains Doyle&#39;s obscurity.  It is atrocious poetry.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115527909687256193'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115527909687256193'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155279060000#c115527909687256193' title=''/><author><name>forkingspoon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05103242774838156692</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-619181895"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 11, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115527253581612195</id><published>2006-08-11T01:02:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-11T01:02:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I actually prefer the first excerpt over the secon...</title><summary type='text'>I actually prefer the first excerpt over the second (despite my partiality for Verlaine etc.). Could really use revision/concentration---though I suspect rough sloppy &quot;prophetic&quot; (maybe &quot;street&quot; despite thine Whitmanianisms)&#39;s what he&#39;s going for (envision him declaiming on the sidewalk, muttering to the pigeons...). Wonder how much of the humor is intentional.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;My main complaint viz the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115527253581612195'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115527253581612195'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155272520000#c115527253581612195' title=''/><author><name>ombilic des</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03318554537326184413</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1506852026"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 11, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115525675144708490</id><published>2006-08-10T20:39:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-10T20:39:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The conduits to inspiration are few:  Any kind of ...</title><summary type='text'>The conduits to inspiration are few:  Any kind of derangement which frees the imagination--if only temporarily--is of interest.  The risks, however, of manipulation via chemistry are well-known.  Mild forms of madness are one such avenue.  I doubt that Schuyler, whose poems I once much admired, could have written his long ruminative autobiographical poems without being somewhat mentally displaced</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115525675144708490'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115525675144708490'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155256740000#c115525675144708490' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115524329088456821</id><published>2006-08-10T16:54:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-10T16:54:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron writes, &quot;[i]ndeed, poetry is one field – from ...</title><summary type='text'>Ron writes, &quot;[i]ndeed, poetry is one field – from John Clare to John Wieners to Jimmy Schuyler to Hannah Weiner to Robert Lowell – in which a person with a serious psychiatric condition is not necessarily at a disadvantage.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And perhaps also have an advantage, in the case of poets who are bipolar (manic/depression). Kay Redfield Jameson&#39;s &quot;Touched With Fire&quot; cogently addresses this topic</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115524329088456821'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115524329088456821'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155243240000#c115524329088456821' title=''/><author><name>Steven Fama</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04378273134042527425</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1945919831"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115524155535050402</id><published>2006-08-10T16:25:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-10T16:25:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Lutheran, no doubt</title><summary type='text'>Lutheran, no doubt</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115524155535050402'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115524155535050402'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155241500000#c115524155535050402' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115523666541044465</id><published>2006-08-10T15:04:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-10T15:04:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I should have said, &quot;may&quot; have had, but I&#39;m not wr...</title><summary type='text'>I should have said, &quot;may&quot; have had, but I&#39;m not wrong in saying that he &quot;looks&quot; like he had had.  He does &quot;look&quot; like he may have had skin problems.  But in the photo to which you redirect me, he looks a lot better.  In fact, he kind of looks like a Swedish woman.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;He does look happy in both pics.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But doesn&#39;t methamphetamine CAUSE mental problems and premature aging?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ok,</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115523666541044465'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115523666541044465'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155236640000#c115523666541044465' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115523641416722601</id><published>2006-08-10T15:00:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-10T15:00:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I mean &quot;you&#39;re wrong,&quot; Kirby (about Kirby). Ron</title><summary type='text'>I mean &quot;you&#39;re wrong,&quot; Kirby (about Kirby). &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ron</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115523641416722601'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115523641416722601'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155236400000#c115523641416722601' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115523590852271978</id><published>2006-08-10T14:51:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-10T14:51:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>But this much earlier photo of Kirby Doyle from (o...</title><summary type='text'>But this much earlier photo of Kirby Doyle from (on the right with Billy Batman) the Diggers website suggests that your wrong in your diagnosis by bad photograph approach: &lt;A&gt;http://www.diggers.org/images/photos/10b_l.jpg&lt;/A&gt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115523590852271978'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115523590852271978'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155235860000#c115523590852271978' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115522671553860906</id><published>2006-08-10T12:18:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-08-10T12:18:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I had always wondered about this namesake and enjo...</title><summary type='text'>I had always wondered about this namesake and enjoyed reading the poem, and also the tributes to which you linked via Empty Mirror.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Is crystal meth somewhat like the methamphetamine problem that&#39;s going about now?  He injected this stuff, and was a &quot;small-time thief&quot; according to McClure, and yet was &quot;non-destructive.&quot;  All that didn&#39;t add up to me, I guess.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Also, he is called </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115522671553860906'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/115521148354090762/comments/default/115522671553860906'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html?showComment=1155226680000#c115522671553860906' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/08/of-all-poets-included-in-watershed.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-115521148354090762' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/115521148354090762' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 10, 2006"/></entry></feed>