<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post116307595146967350..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>22</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116320604653249363</id><published>2006-11-10T19:47:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T19:47:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I was thinking more of ING, or Quartz Hearts, or S...</title><summary type='text'>I was thinking more of ING, or Quartz Hearts, or Solution Passage, or even Polaroid, than other more--perhaps?--&quot;conceptual&quot; works.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;No one who reads Coolidge conscientiously could fail to miss his deep engagement with language, sans any &quot;special effects&quot; externality could impose.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I have no doubt that Clark has invented dozens of possible conceptual frames for the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116320604653249363'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116320604653249363'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163206020000#c116320604653249363' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116320417083645460</id><published>2006-11-10T19:16:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T19:16:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Consider this poem by Ed Hirsch?  Is it not great?...</title><summary type='text'>Consider this poem by Ed Hirsch?  Is it not great?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15409&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#39;d post the whole thing here but don&#39;t know if I can do it without permission.  It may not break any new conceptual ground. It would have been possible for someone to write something like this in Shakespeare&#39;s day. But still, isn&#39;t it simply electrifying?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116320417083645460'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116320417083645460'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163204160000#c116320417083645460' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116318473685093373</id><published>2006-11-10T13:52:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T13:52:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ombilic writes:Ever read The Scripture of the Lotu...</title><summary type='text'>Ombilic writes:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ever read The Scripture of the Lotus Blossom of the Fine Dharma? Maybe not &quot;a completely Western idea&quot; &quot;not at all native&quot; to Eastern culture.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Actually, yes, I have. I don&#39;t mind withdrawing the word &quot;completely.&quot; Although one can always find exceptions to the norm, the dream of progress remains very much a Western idea. Going in the other directions, the Zen </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116318473685093373'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116318473685093373'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163184720000#c116318473685093373' title=''/><author><name>Art Durkee</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07399620147907002735</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1119200278"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116317245221099571</id><published>2006-11-10T10:27:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T10:27:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Not to give in too much to this tangent of Curtis&#39;...</title><summary type='text'>Not to give in too much to this tangent of Curtis&#39;, but he says:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;In Coolidge, you don&#39;t get this synthetic formal approach. He&#39;s writing poems the same way Williams or Wallace Stevens is, except he&#39;s breaking many of the syntactical formalities (rules) as a style of expression. Coolidge isn&#39;t a conceptual artist: Ron Silliman, to a large extent, is.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This is really not the case</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116317245221099571'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116317245221099571'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163172420000#c116317245221099571' title=''/><author><name>Mick</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/18237894788850189087</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1958480373"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116316967177307996</id><published>2006-11-10T09:41:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T09:41:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Omby:Crossing words out of a Shakespeare sonnet, t...</title><summary type='text'>Omby:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Crossing words out of a Shakespeare sonnet, to create a subset text from Shakespeare&#39;s model (the whole poem(s)) may be more interesting than subset texts drawn from banal models because the initial text was more interesting to start with--certainly more interesting, potentially, than random, casual e.mail messages.  We can&#39;t make Shakespeare more enlightened by editing his texts </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116316967177307996'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116316967177307996'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163169660000#c116316967177307996' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315685012818517</id><published>2006-11-10T06:07:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T06:07:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>a more serious take on a slightly similar experime...</title><summary type='text'>a more serious take on a slightly similar experiment might be read in bhanu kapil&#39;s vertical interrogation of strangers</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116315685012818517'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116315685012818517'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163156820000#c116315685012818517' title=''/><author><name>Hayes</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10510685711977938662</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-364042053"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315664307836105</id><published>2006-11-10T06:04:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T06:04:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I refer everyone to Bhanu Kapil&#39;s vertical interro...</title><summary type='text'>I refer everyone to Bhanu Kapil&#39;s vertical interrogation of strangers for a fresh take on a similar experiment...and i think mr. benjamin has an older take on this as well...</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116315664307836105'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116315664307836105'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163156640000#c116315664307836105' title=''/><author><name>mad med student</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/17332805368650827028</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-2529155"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315532876743084</id><published>2006-11-10T05:42:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T05:42:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Stephen writes:&quot;If Duchamp can take a snow shovel ...</title><summary type='text'>Stephen writes:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;If Duchamp can take a snow shovel and call it art, someone can take email text and call it poetry.&quot; &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Yes, but he also signed it &quot;Rose Selavy&quot; (the shovel rose... not just &quot;that&#39;s life,&quot; but &quot;lever&quot; (pronounced &quot;levay&quot;) to rise &quot;laver&quot; (lavay) to wash, a[n &quot;unhygienic&quot;] Jewish woman&#39;s deepening wood (cock exponentially longer than even her archetypal nose) </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116315532876743084'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116315532876743084'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163155320000#c116315532876743084' title=''/><author><name>ombilic des</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03318554537326184413</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1506852026"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116314569341208185</id><published>2006-11-10T03:01:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T03:01:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis writes:&quot;We can&#39;t just have a Cliff&#39;s Notes ...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis writes:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;We can&#39;t just have a Cliff&#39;s Notes for a Shakespeare play, we need every word to get what&#39;s there.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Check out this from Noah&#39;s blog:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;In his 103rd sonnet, William Shakespeare writes, “The argument all bare is of more worth”. This dictum could have stood as an epigraph for Bervin’s text, which relies entirely on the paradoxically generative power of </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116314569341208185'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116314569341208185'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163145660000#c116314569341208185' title=''/><author><name>ombilic des</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03318554537326184413</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1506852026"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116314332478646265</id><published>2006-11-10T02:22:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T02:22:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis writes:&quot;It wouldn&#39;t be necessary actually t...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis writes:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;It wouldn&#39;t be necessary actually to publish it, because the &#39;content&#39; has nothing new to add that isn&#39;t &#39;exterior&#39; to the significance of the concept.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Yeah, but then we wouldn&#39;t be talking about it. Publication is an act itself. And a record. (But let&#39;s face it---very few people will buy this book. And those who do almost certainly won&#39;t read it. It&#39;s more an </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116314332478646265'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116314332478646265'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163143320000#c116314332478646265' title=''/><author><name>ombilic des</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03318554537326184413</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1506852026"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116314202320995043</id><published>2006-11-10T02:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T02:00:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron wrote:It was the Russian Formalist critics who...</title><summary type='text'>Ron wrote:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;It was the Russian Formalist critics who first noted that one of the historic roles of art – and one of art’s inexorable drivers toward incessant, ongoing change – is to incorporate new aspects of society into the art itself.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt; &lt;BR/&gt;Am I really going to be the first to call you on that &quot;who first noted&quot; shtick? Ever heard of Baudelaire, for starters? &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One of</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116314202320995043'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116314202320995043'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163142000000#c116314202320995043' title=''/><author><name>ombilic des</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03318554537326184413</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1506852026"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116312667076842326</id><published>2006-11-09T21:44:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-09T21:44:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I think logan has a really nice point here.  Gordo...</title><summary type='text'>I think logan has a really nice point here.  Gordon&#39;s project bears comparison to conceptual art projects--sort of like those Oldenburg notebooks, and those other &quot;happenings&quot; artists of the 1960&#39;s--or those stunt artists like Dave Morice typing a continuous roll of extemporaneous &quot;poems&quot; off a third story fire-escape. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;My point about an &quot;inclusive&quot; definition of poetry was meant to </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116312667076842326'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116312667076842326'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163126640000#c116312667076842326' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116311744799127482</id><published>2006-11-09T19:10:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-09T19:10:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Conceptual poetics is a double-edged sword. On the...</title><summary type='text'>Conceptual poetics is a double-edged sword. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;On the one hand, it&#39;s a situation where the first person to get into print with the concept (as Duchamp did, once or twice, as also did Nam June Paik) gets credited with the idea, even if someone else also had it at the same time—such conceptions are often a product of zeitgeist, and simultaneous discovery occurs. On the other hand, it&#39;s hard </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116311744799127482'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116311744799127482'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163117400000#c116311744799127482' title=''/><author><name>Art Durkee</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07399620147907002735</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1119200278"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116310603110852305</id><published>2006-11-09T16:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-09T16:00:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>While I really love N.E.G.&#39;s poetry, I don&#39;t see h...</title><summary type='text'>While I really love N.E.G.&#39;s poetry, I don&#39;t see how a collection of emails is poetry. Also, is anybody besides you, Ron, putting the poetry tag on this self-described auto-biography? Why does it have to be called poetry because it&#39;s being put together by a poet? If one removes the poetry tag from this project, does that change the project? Or rather, one&#39;s perceptions, expectations, and </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116310603110852305'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116310603110852305'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163106000000#c116310603110852305' title=''/><author><name>Logan Ryan Smith</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/18315356369259909084</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-277623651"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116310507942767706</id><published>2006-11-09T15:44:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-09T15:44:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I recently read the Paris Review Interview with Ja...</title><summary type='text'>I recently read the Paris Review Interview with Jack Gilbert.  Gilbert seems to have gotten to a place in his habitual consciousness in which he&#39;s tempered his sensibility such that nearly every utterance he makes has a forthright quality of illumination.  He says, in effect, that most poetry (as Art says above) is &quot;surface&quot;, and that he wants to cut through that to real life-twisting statement(s</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116310507942767706'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116310507942767706'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163105040000#c116310507942767706' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116310349907731796</id><published>2006-11-09T15:18:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-09T15:18:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>If Duchamp can take a snow shovel and call it art,...</title><summary type='text'>If Duchamp can take a snow shovel and call it art, someone can take email text and call it poetry. Ditto Mac Low rolling the dice or otherwise by chance choosing the words for his poems.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Gordon&#39;s &lt;I&gt;Inbox&lt;/I&gt; has elements of both.  Maybe it isn&#39;t the most  original idea, but the approach can&#39;t be categorically dismissed as not poetry. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Maybe the email texts re-used by Gordon </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116310349907731796'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116310349907731796'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163103480000#c116310349907731796' title=''/><author><name>Steven Fama</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04378273134042527425</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1945919831"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116310309467680317</id><published>2006-11-09T15:11:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-09T15:11:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis said, &quot;whatever definition you&#39;d like to gi...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis said, &quot;whatever definition you&#39;d like to give to poetry--an ultimate, all-inclusive one--it wouldn&#39;t be &quot;stuff people I know wrote in e.mails to me during one not-very inspiring week in June&quot;. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;an all inclusive definition of poetry (as if we one of those) wouldn&#39;t be the above, but it might make room for the above.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;well, it&#39;s just a funny thing to say. i mean, &quot;whatever </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116310309467680317'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116310309467680317'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163103060000#c116310309467680317' title=''/><author><name>peter</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05327429647175738328</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-2035658647"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116310276480944429</id><published>2006-11-09T15:06:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-09T15:06:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>i am happy that gordon is exploring that area of e...</title><summary type='text'>i am happy that gordon is exploring that area of email called the inbox -- how exciting for poetry</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116310276480944429'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116310276480944429'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163102760000#c116310276480944429' title=''/><author><name>csperez</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12750899028081321109</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1479745132"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116309683697983885</id><published>2006-11-09T13:27:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-09T13:27:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>The irony of the Russian Formalists saying such th...</title><summary type='text'>The irony of the Russian Formalists saying such things about art driving change, of course, is that they were rebelling against their root culture, which had had a stable art history that went largely unchanged for well over a millenia. Nothing is so &quot;static&quot; as relligious art, and Eastern Orthodox art, with the icons passing almost unchanged for many centuries, is far more static than Western </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116309683697983885'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116309683697983885'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163096820000#c116309683697983885' title=''/><author><name>Art Durkee</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07399620147907002735</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1119200278"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116309500224814692</id><published>2006-11-09T12:56:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-09T12:56:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Initially, I was going to agree w/ Curtis, but on ...</title><summary type='text'>Initially, I was going to agree w/ Curtis, but on reconsideration I think &quot;Inbox&quot; is much more fascinating than it appears at first. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;What Gordon seems to have been aiming for, I think, is a kind of autobiography-in-absentia, a memoir 3 degrees removed from its ostensible subject, where the story of his life is mediated, not by his consciousness and demands and conventions of first </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116309500224814692'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116309500224814692'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163094960000#c116309500224814692' title=''/><author><name>Rocco DiStreitlmahn</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05401952796335386301</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-522616634"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116308582394042489</id><published>2006-11-09T10:23:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-09T10:23:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>My no doubt hoary old fart response is that the ma...</title><summary type='text'>My no doubt hoary old fart response is that the material used must be inherently interesting on its own, or it&#39;s just the phone book.  Duchamp posited an artistic activity based on the appropriation of objects from the material world, which, removed from their setting and placed inside  of a museum or a picture frame, would &quot;become&quot; art.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Whatever definition you&#39;d like to give to </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116308582394042489'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116308582394042489'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163085780000#c116308582394042489' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116308165992860541</id><published>2006-11-09T09:14:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-09T09:14:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ed wasn&#39;t the director in 1979.</title><summary type='text'>Ed wasn&#39;t the director in 1979.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116308165992860541'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116307595146967350/comments/default/116308165992860541'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html?showComment=1163081640000#c116308165992860541' title=''/><author><name>Jordan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10451174274596699645</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-was-russian-formalist-critics-who.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116307595146967350' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116307595146967350' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1484709122"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2006"/></entry></feed>