<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post116601362508642113..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>22</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116627882564704159</id><published>2006-12-16T09:20:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-16T09:20:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>For me the funniest part of the P&amp;W image is pictu...</title><summary type='text'>For me the funniest part of the P&amp;W image is picturing Ron Silliman reading a copy of P&amp;W. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I would very much like a picture of that. It would be complex and antically participatory. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Please?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116627882564704159'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116627882564704159'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166278800000#c116627882564704159' title=''/><author><name>John Gallaher</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14538033904298542846</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-764630093"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 16, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116619777486846933</id><published>2006-12-15T10:49:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-15T10:49:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Art, the best way to deal with Eastern pomposity i...</title><summary type='text'>Art, the best way to deal with Eastern pomposity is to ignore it.  Provinciality can be extraordinarily sophisticated, but it shouldn&#39;t be provincial, if you see what I mean.  If you keep yourself aware of what the other regions are doing, then you can forget that there are regions.  That&#39;s best.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Oh great White King:  It&#39;s so good to know that your interests and tastes are by </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116619777486846933'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116619777486846933'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166197740000#c116619777486846933' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 15, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116615883598609632</id><published>2006-12-15T00:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-15T00:00:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Right now I&#39;m reading through a collection of O&#39;Ha...</title><summary type='text'>Right now I&#39;m reading through a collection of O&#39;Hara&#39;s essays and reviews, and finding some gems in it. I can agree with the idea that O&#39;Hara&#39;s most usual mode was comic, but I also agree that he gets closer to the heart of things when he has that &quot;proximity to pain.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As for Ashbery, I don&#39;t get it, and I never have. (I know I&#39;ve said this before.) I&#39;m in a mood to read poets without the</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116615883598609632'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116615883598609632'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166158800000#c116615883598609632' title=''/><author><name>Art Durkee</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07399620147907002735</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1119200278"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 15, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116613692716329466</id><published>2006-12-14T17:55:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-14T17:55:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron, thanks so much for this post. Your discussion...</title><summary type='text'>Ron, thanks so much for this post. Your discussion of Notley&#39;s work seems to me at least to be respectful and interesting and engaged without being needlessly critical or reductive (see above comments, as usual, by usual suspects) nor just a mash note. I love writing mash note. Mash note. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And I loved going to the site and reading her poems, honestly I think that&#39;s my favorite thing </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116613692716329466'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116613692716329466'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166136900000#c116613692716329466' title=''/><author><name>King Alabaster</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04972091934896558684</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-733995221"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116613622917792495</id><published>2006-12-14T17:43:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-14T17:43:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Oh, another thing. In O&#39;Hara&#39;s critical writing he...</title><summary type='text'>Oh, another thing. In O&#39;Hara&#39;s critical writing he places Corso very high.  Have you seen that?  They were friends at Harvard.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116613622917792495'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116613622917792495'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166136180000#c116613622917792495' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116613615634649398</id><published>2006-12-14T17:42:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-14T17:42:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis, I&#39;m disappointed that we more or less agre...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis, I&#39;m disappointed that we more or less agree on Notley. I confess that I haven&#39;t read a lot.  Codrescu told me over and over when I was interviewing him for the book on him that he thought she was a magnificent poet.  I read it and thought, hmm.  He must really miss Ted or something.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think it&#39;s morally wrong to argue that a poet is great when you&#39;re not sure that it&#39;s true.&lt;BR/&gt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116613615634649398'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116613615634649398'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166136120000#c116613615634649398' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116612605845165635</id><published>2006-12-14T14:54:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-14T14:54:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I guess you&#39;d have to say O&#39;Hara was a love/satire...</title><summary type='text'>I guess you&#39;d have to say O&#39;Hara was a love/satire poet.  But he&#39;s harder to categorize.  Personism.  The one amazing thing O&#39;Hara gets into his verse is the immediacy of ordinary speech, mixed with high rhetoric.  The poem that begins &quot;You do not always know what I am feeling.&quot;  Wow, that&#39;s better than anything Corso ever wrote.  Berrigan thought that was a great poem, and he was right!     &lt;BR/</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116612605845165635'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116612605845165635'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166126040000#c116612605845165635' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116610511695559010</id><published>2006-12-14T09:05:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-14T09:05:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Well, I don&#39;t get any meaning from the two poems h...</title><summary type='text'>Well, I don&#39;t get any meaning from the two poems here that make it necessary for me to follow up.  Still think that Corso was the great poet of the last fifty years: form, meaning, style. Coherent and complex.  Arguments about the way that spirit and the food chain intersect.  Urbanist, but skeptical, not a Marxist.  Franciscan, but skeptical.  Smarter, and a keener sound.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ecocritics </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116610511695559010'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116610511695559010'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166105100000#c116610511695559010' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116609107627489296</id><published>2006-12-14T05:11:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-14T05:11:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Well hopefully I&#39;ll ask her these questions if I g...</title><summary type='text'>Well hopefully I&#39;ll ask her these questions if I get the chance to see her read in Tucson.  I&#39;m very interested as well at this style of hers which is no longer as Language centered as it used to be.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The &quot;I&quot; of Small Houses is now looking a bit more political and narrational in character.  Perhaps she is just saying, Leave me to my own devices.  I just write whatever I want.  Is that a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116609107627489296'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116609107627489296'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166091060000#c116609107627489296' title=''/><author><name>Lady Jane</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04555982712708881025</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1542572767"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116608053980674765</id><published>2006-12-14T02:15:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-14T02:15:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>K.O., go read the work. Read Alma. Read Descent of...</title><summary type='text'>K.O., go read the work. Read Alma. Read Descent of Alette. Read Desamere. Read At Night the States. Read Disobedience. Read anything she&#39;s published in the last twenty years. Yer stabbing the ocean with a spork.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116608053980674765'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116608053980674765'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166080500000#c116608053980674765' title=''/><author><name>tothejailer</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04374523360841512594</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-362411757"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116607855216251258</id><published>2006-12-14T01:42:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-14T01:42:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>this discussion is interminableyou could substitut...</title><summary type='text'>this discussion is interminable&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;you could substitute any word for &#39;poetics&#39; and the discussion would be the same to me&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;can&#39;t anyone in poetry use concrete specifics!?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116607855216251258'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116607855216251258'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166078520000#c116607855216251258' title=''/><author><name>Tao Lin</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04807160197099916059</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1711110497"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116606883001877427</id><published>2006-12-13T23:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-13T23:00:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I admired Notley&#39;s early work, but increasingly as...</title><summary type='text'>I admired Notley&#39;s early work, but increasingly as time has passed, I&#39;ve found it diffuse and formless.  Perhaps that&#39;s the direction she wanted to move.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think it a rare phenomenon indeed to find a poet who actually formulates a personal &quot;poetics&quot;.  Classicists can do it more easily, since their models tend to be fixed and immoveable obstacles to alteration.  But so-called &quot;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116606883001877427'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116606883001877427'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166068800000#c116606883001877427' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116605300875482592</id><published>2006-12-13T18:36:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-13T18:36:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I think with the phrase regarding poetics as an in...</title><summary type='text'>I think with the phrase regarding poetics as an industry she is arguing that art exists even in the age of mechanical reproduction and its loss of a halo, and that she is against the industrial might of Warhol&#39;s Factory, and the selling out thing.  That there remains such a thing as craft.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;People keep telling me she is very original, unlike anyone else.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But originality can also </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116605300875482592'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116605300875482592'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166052960000#c116605300875482592' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116604968472204726</id><published>2006-12-13T17:41:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-13T17:41:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>It is not of a vein.</title><summary type='text'>It is not of a vein.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116604968472204726'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116604968472204726'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166049660000#c116604968472204726' title=''/><author><name>tothejailer</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04374523360841512594</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-362411757"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116604832521966158</id><published>2006-12-13T17:18:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-13T17:18:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Notley&#39;s statement about poetics jumped out at me ...</title><summary type='text'>Notley&#39;s statement about poetics jumped out at me too, when I read the article in P&amp;W.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I completely adore Notley&#39;s work, and like what you say about the deep loneliness in it, Ron. But I feel that you didn&#39;t fully address the last sentence in the quote that you pulled: &quot;I think that poetics is an industry.&quot; Wondering why.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116604832521966158'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116604832521966158'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166048280000#c116604832521966158' title=''/><author><name>LBehrendt</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/17744661355732297091</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-2117488632"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116604533423327529</id><published>2006-12-13T16:28:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-13T16:28:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I think larry gets it closest to what I thought I ...</title><summary type='text'>I think larry gets it closest to what I thought I heard Notley say, in her denial of a poetics: allowing work to progress without pre-arranged intentions, forms, or agendas, but to eveolve organically. Form follows content, rather than content being shoehorned into dogmatic, fixed forms. And each poem has its own unique, evolved form, so whether or not it fits into an overall body of work (can I </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116604533423327529'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116604533423327529'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166045280000#c116604533423327529' title=''/><author><name>Art Durkee</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07399620147907002735</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1119200278"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116604053380356893</id><published>2006-12-13T15:08:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-13T15:08:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Not having a poetics just means you have a receive...</title><summary type='text'>Not having a poetics just means you have a received poetics, I think.  You have a poetics whether you want to and have thought it out or whether you just pick up and run with what other poets are doing.  To me she sounds a lot like other New York School poets.  The flitting from topic to topic, the lack of a rhyme scheme, the run on thing (O&#39;Hara was already doing this in the early 60s), etc.  </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116604053380356893'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116604053380356893'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166040480000#c116604053380356893' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116603564563800795</id><published>2006-12-13T13:47:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-13T13:47:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Forgive me but I can&#39;t help but feel that you&#39;ve e...</title><summary type='text'>Forgive me but I can&#39;t help but feel that you&#39;ve either (a) reduced poetics to a trivial property of poetry or (b) called Notley disingenuous.  If no-poetics is a poetics it&#39;s certqainly a trivial poetics.  And if it&#39;s not, then she&#39;s articulated such a poetics, which means she&#39;s misleading us.  A poet without an articulated and positive poetics is not an uncommon poet.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A no-poetics can </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116603564563800795'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116603564563800795'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166035620000#c116603564563800795' title=''/><author><name>Lester</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04219479023387881600</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1478288716"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116602967032717409</id><published>2006-12-13T12:07:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-13T12:07:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;The whole thing is in flux&quot; is a pretty general s...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;The whole thing is in flux&quot; is a pretty general statement, but I take that to mean she&#39;s open to allowing work to progress organically versus adhering to a rigid or dogmatic agenda, i.e., following some poetic agenda or worrying whether a piece complements or informs anything that has preceded it in one&#39;s oeuvre. (Yay, I got to use the word &quot;oeuvre&quot;!) Let&#39;s don our labcoats ladies and gentlemen,</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116602967032717409'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116602967032717409'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166029620000#c116602967032717409' title=''/><author><name>Larry Sawyer</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/18209176066752392711</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-633681119"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116602711217425553</id><published>2006-12-13T11:25:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-13T11:25:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron, why does her statement put you on the defensi...</title><summary type='text'>Ron, why does her statement put you on the defensive? It would appear that you&#39;re stating that Notley doesn&#39;t really know what she&#39;s talking about but that you do know? Chance operations, as a methodology, has a long history in art and I&#39;m not sure why you&#39;re describing it in such a pejorative way.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116602711217425553'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116602711217425553'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166027100000#c116602711217425553' title=''/><author><name>Larry Sawyer</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/18209176066752392711</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-633681119"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116602511652906560</id><published>2006-12-13T10:51:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-13T10:51:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>You lost me there. Notley denies having a poetics,...</title><summary type='text'>You lost me there. Notley denies having a poetics, and in describing how she doesn&#39;t have a poetics she reveals a possible poetics, a poetics which describes thousands of poets&#39; work, which aren&#39;t worth reading because they don&#39;t have a poetics, so let&#39;s look at an example of how this possible statement of poetics which is not a statement of Notley&#39;s poetics functions to describe her poetics in a</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116602511652906560'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116602511652906560'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166025060000#c116602511652906560' title=''/><author><name>Chris</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/02753293444363805371</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-838935920"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116602066449844668</id><published>2006-12-13T09:37:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-13T09:37:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>:)She is coming in February to Tucson.  :)In&#39;sha&#39;a...</title><summary type='text'>:)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;She is coming in February to Tucson.  :)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In&#39;sha&#39;allah.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116602066449844668'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116601362508642113/comments/default/116602066449844668'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html?showComment=1166020620000#c116602066449844668' title=''/><author><name>Lady Jane</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04555982712708881025</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-is-wonderful-fascinating-even.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116601362508642113' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116601362508642113' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1542572767"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2006"/></entry></feed>