<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post2124881272603590863..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>17</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6288493685878848681</id><published>2008-01-24T10:25:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-24T10:25:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>try to find tape/recording of that POETRY READING ...</title><summary type='text'>try to find tape/recording of that POETRY READING  Olson did at the Berkeley Poetry Conference July 23, 1965 and his lecture (The Causal Mythology two days earlier&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Duncan introduces him   and  a very funny bit re: Ed Sanders/Saunders  opening the &#39;gig&#39;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;sing&lt;BR/&gt;dance&lt;BR/&gt;leave&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;            read Maximus one page at a time&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;as I trust you&#39;ve done with Finnigan&#39;s </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/6288493685878848681'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/6288493685878848681'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1201188300000#c6288493685878848681' title=''/><author><name>Ed Baker</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='24' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_SpwtdDR0utk/R3Owpv1OTyI/AAAAAAAAAAM/5uapZyaJmtY/S220/Ed++by+Evie+Baker'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-771816173"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 24, 2008"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6276743622032184301</id><published>2008-01-22T19:45:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-22T19:45:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I love Olson&#39;s lyrics and prose (and lectures and ...</title><summary type='text'>I love Olson&#39;s lyrics and prose (and lectures and readings) and just sold my 3-volume Maximus today -- too sprawling for me, too big on the shelf, I didn&#39;t love enough of it.  Hope to pick up a selected edition some time.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Karl Shapiro&#39;s booklength sequence &quot;The Bourgeois Poet&quot; (his, by design, most Whitmanesque work) is terrific.  He was a big Whitman champion in the middle of the last </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/6276743622032184301'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/6276743622032184301'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1201049100000#c6276743622032184301' title=''/><author><name>John</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07000424514491809383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1712146185"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 22, 2008"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3000651276869616618</id><published>2008-01-20T02:42:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-20T02:42:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I must admit to not reading Olson&#39;s collected shor...</title><summary type='text'>I must admit to not reading Olson&#39;s collected shorter poems any more.  Maximus still intrigues me.  I think it&#39;s just better writing, because the impetus and thematic inspiration is more clear-cut, and less contrived (which is odd, because that&#39;s kind of the opposite of how I once thought of his work--i.e., Maximus once seemed a pose, whereas not all those rhetorical &quot;occasion&quot; poems now seem </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/3000651276869616618'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/3000651276869616618'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1200814920000#c3000651276869616618' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 20, 2008"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6915116819877445745</id><published>2008-01-17T23:06:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-17T23:06:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Mark,I like to think of it as an allusion to Marx....</title><summary type='text'>Mark,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I like to think of it as an allusion to Marx... ;-)</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/6915116819877445745'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/6915116819877445745'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1200629160000#c6915116819877445745' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/silliman/silliman2a.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 17, 2008"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2770467738359894495</id><published>2008-01-17T17:06:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-17T17:06:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;The dustbin of history&quot;? Hey,Trashcan Man, was th...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;The dustbin of history&quot;? Hey,&lt;BR/&gt;Trashcan Man, was that a (gasp) cliché,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;a gust from history&#39;s revolving door,&lt;BR/&gt;dissolving bore?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/2770467738359894495'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/2770467738359894495'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1200607560000#c2770467738359894495' title=''/><author><name>Mark Granier</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09899629187771913398</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='23' src='http://static.flickr.com/35/125078083_0408f03b6f_m.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-837377571"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 17, 2008"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5184086925282965805</id><published>2008-01-17T08:24:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-17T08:24:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;the lingering fans of Auden today...&quot;-- whoah, wh...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;the lingering fans of Auden today...&quot;-- whoah, whoooaah!  I&#39;m too young to be a dinosaur, pops.  Though I do like the idea of being deposited by time machine bang into the 21st century.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I mean, I thought it was Olson&#39;s poems that no one really read anymore.  I suspect this has to do with the circles one moves in: we have to come to terms with the fact that even so-called &quot;experimental </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/5184086925282965805'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/5184086925282965805'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1200576240000#c5184086925282965805' title=''/><author><name>equivocal</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00408199156528969347</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1569202724"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 17, 2008"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6771713127617741903</id><published>2008-01-16T22:29:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-16T22:29:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>The assertion that nobody other than Creeley, Dunc...</title><summary type='text'>The assertion that nobody other than Creeley, Duncan, and O&#39;Hara (among &quot;The New Americans&quot; produced theoretical critical writing is wrong. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ron, if you are going to count a single but intense essay / manifesto such as O&#39;Hara&#39;s &quot;Personism&quot; (and I agree, it counts), then Philip Lamantia&#39;s 1976 &quot;Poetic Matters&quot; must join the list too. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And how about Lew Welch, &quot;How I Work As A </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/6771713127617741903'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/6771713127617741903'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1200540540000#c6771713127617741903' title=''/><author><name>Steven Fama</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13733977161680651117</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-862679579"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 16, 2008"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5672797154158473298</id><published>2008-01-16T22:21:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-16T22:21:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron, I get a lot out of your blog, but I find this...</title><summary type='text'>Ron, I get a lot out of your blog, but I find this sort of ongoing poetry war stuff to be a little offputting, all this taking on the language of murder--well, we&#39;ve killed off Shapiro, neutered Auden and his kind, we&#39;ve won.  I mean, is poetry really better off if people don&#39;t remember Auden?  I&#39;m not a huge Auden guy, but it just seems like so much jostling in an elevator when there&#39;s a field </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/5672797154158473298'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/5672797154158473298'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1200540060000#c5672797154158473298' title=''/><author><name>Philip Metres</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05449159681282927289</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1498505073"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 16, 2008"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6980027315578900981</id><published>2008-01-16T20:03:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-16T20:03:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>It&#39;s just nice to know that somebody anthologized ...</title><summary type='text'>It&#39;s just nice to know that somebody anthologized &quot;Biotherm&quot;--one of my 27 favorite O&#39;Hara poems, for sure.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/6980027315578900981'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/6980027315578900981'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1200531780000#c6980027315578900981' title=''/><author><name>Cannot Exist</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10167824836001706644</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1617347097"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 16, 2008"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-1693840046565820948</id><published>2008-01-16T19:46:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-16T19:46:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>It seems pretty obvious to me that Wieners was inf...</title><summary type='text'>It seems pretty obvious to me that Wieners was influenced by Auden (&amp; Spender). That puts Wieners on the &quot;wrong&quot; side of your poetic battle. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;--Guillermo</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/1693840046565820948'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/1693840046565820948'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1200530760000#c1693840046565820948' title=''/><author><name>GJPW</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13383940105241352465</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_vY8ZDumH8EQ/R1Y8OuFuKiI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/C0vcYDgv9sk/S220/Self-Portrait.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-669631030"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 16, 2008"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8239963787492075316</id><published>2008-01-16T16:46:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-16T16:46:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I&#39;m a lingering fan of late, exiled Auden: for me ...</title><summary type='text'>I&#39;m a lingering fan of late, exiled Auden: for me it&#39;s precisely when he becomes &quot;incompetent&quot; that he becomes interesting. Alan Jacobs&#39; &quot;What Became of Wystan? Change and Continuity in Auden&#39;s Poetry&quot; is pretty salutary on this, arguing that Auden&#39;s championing by conservatives was wrong-headed, and that situating A. more in a Horatian, civic, rhetorical tradition- rather than that of a fusty </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/8239963787492075316'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/8239963787492075316'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1200519960000#c8239963787492075316' title=''/><author><name>Nicholas Manning</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12750291349639539140</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='28' height='32' src='http://static.flickr.com/100/297698415_31f5f13234.jpg?v=0'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591050484"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 16, 2008"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5968649478341461895</id><published>2008-01-16T16:31:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-16T16:31:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>One can onlygoto that  &quot;Who&#39;s on First? Abbott and...</title><summary type='text'>One can only&lt;BR/&gt;go&lt;BR/&gt;to that  &quot;Who&#39;s on First? Abbott and Costello routine&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;watched by millions on their Arvin Radios&lt;BR/&gt;to figure out this anthology &quot;stuff&quot; ...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;and then...willy-nilly,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;move right along!</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/5968649478341461895'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/5968649478341461895'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1200519060000#c5968649478341461895' title=''/><author><name>Ed Baker</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='24' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_SpwtdDR0utk/R3Owpv1OTyI/AAAAAAAAAAM/5uapZyaJmtY/S220/Ed++by+Evie+Baker'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-771816173"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 16, 2008"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5690749695259678881</id><published>2008-01-16T12:52:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-16T12:52:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>One thing that never quite fit (in light of all th...</title><summary type='text'>One thing that never quite fit (in light of all these rigorous and necessary taxonomies) is that Wieners presses a quote from Auden into &lt;I&gt; Ace of Pentacles&lt;/I&gt;. It&#39;s the title of a poem and it always teased and puzzled me, sitting there on the page with Auden&#39;s name.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But then I love the odd cross-pollination, the shameless (or perhaps the blithe) non-fittingness -- especially in this </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/5690749695259678881'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/5690749695259678881'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1200505920000#c5690749695259678881' title=''/><author><name>Rachel Loden</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07643048091966293914</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='31' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yQs1YHZPurs/RyIYJzGRSlI/AAAAAAAAAJI/ifuCboCuwns/s320/I%27m+a+Nixon+Gal.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1558742281"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 16, 2008"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2827273218515138761</id><published>2008-01-16T11:48:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-16T11:48:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>... forgot:&amp; to compare the Jones to: New American...</title><summary type='text'>... forgot:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&amp; to compare the Jones to:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt; New American Story, edited by Creeley and Donald Allen (New York: Grove, 1965; Harmondsworth, England: Penguin Books, 1971);&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;(my copy of the latter has sadly walked from the shelves)</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/2827273218515138761'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/2827273218515138761'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1200502080000#c2827273218515138761' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1278275432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 16, 2008"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8968458137704715733</id><published>2008-01-16T11:13:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-16T11:13:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron,it could have been interesting in this context...</title><summary type='text'>Ron,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;it could have been interesting in this context to also bring in Leroi Jones (as he then was) 1965 book THE MODERNS: An Anthology of New Writing in America (published by MacGibbon &amp; Kee in London – I don&#39;t know of a US ediiton, do you?). It uses only prose writers, but the table of contents is instructive:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;William Eastlake&lt;BR/&gt;Edward Dorn&lt;BR/&gt;Douglas Woolf&lt;BR/&gt;Paul Metcalf&lt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/8968458137704715733'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/8968458137704715733'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1200499980000#c8968458137704715733' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1278275432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 16, 2008"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5638242626547019283</id><published>2008-01-16T10:44:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-16T10:44:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Clark and Codrescu&#39;s slams were directed at the Ma...</title><summary type='text'>Clark and Codrescu&#39;s slams were directed at the Marxism of Langpo, not at theory itself.  Codrescu has read deeply in Deleuze and other theorists, but he&#39;s more on the anarchist side of things. Clark is interested in representative democracy and journalism as an adjunct of that, a point he makes clear in his writings from that period, especially his work The Great Naropa Poetry Wars (now out of </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/5638242626547019283'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/5638242626547019283'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1200498240000#c5638242626547019283' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 16, 2008"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7956430157961365060</id><published>2008-01-16T10:21:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-16T10:21:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>One notable exception to your assertion about the ...</title><summary type='text'>One notable exception to your assertion about the diversion of poets away from poetry into art criticism would be Bill Berkson, whose poetic output has increased right along with his published art criticism.  I would say that in his case, his interests have fueled his poetry, rather than, in the case of Schjeldahl, silencing it.  Ashbery and Updike--two very big names in poetry--have also put out</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/7956430157961365060'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/2124881272603590863/comments/default/7956430157961365060'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html?showComment=1200496860000#c7956430157961365060' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-give-them-little-time-poetry.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2124881272603590863' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/2124881272603590863' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 16, 2008"/></entry></feed>