<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post3065597251425259215..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>25</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2004797243916244401</id><published>2007-11-13T19:50:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-13T19:50:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Is there a &quot;third way&quot; or a third stream of critic...</title><summary type='text'>Is there a &quot;third way&quot; or a third stream of critical regard which could synthesize our apprehension of all poetries? &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Curtis!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This is what I do! All you have to do&lt;BR/&gt;is simply ignore the intention of the artist and read creatively.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;All art, and ultimately all culture&lt;BR/&gt;is founded and continues by something called generosity.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If every single gun owner went </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/2004797243916244401'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/2004797243916244401'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1195001400000#c2004797243916244401' title=''/><author><name>phaneronoemikon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08430230355065457354</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://www.hevanet.com/solipsis/images/phanero.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1411460047"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6178265958476304117</id><published>2007-11-11T14:01:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-11T14:01:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Thanks, Ian, for the references. I do read here of...</title><summary type='text'>Thanks, Ian, for the references. I do read here often, and I&#39;ve likely seen those posts before, though I don&#39;t recall off the top of my head. I&#39;ll check them out, and I won&#39;t be surprised to find them lucid and reasonable. I concede that Ron is more fair-minded and inclusive than many who write on similar topics. I certainly do not wish to associate myself with the shrill ranters who come in </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/6178265958476304117'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/6178265958476304117'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194807660000#c6178265958476304117' title=''/><author><name>anhaga</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07614935078978354375</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='20' height='32' src='http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3534/2468/1600/kleebirds.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1863831041"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-711775010491568912</id><published>2007-11-11T12:46:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-11T12:46:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Let&#39;s go back again to first principles. Would ANY...</title><summary type='text'>Let&#39;s go back again to first principles. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Would ANY Quietist critic &quot;stoop&quot; to review the work of Cicciarello?  Seriously!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;No, of course not.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Does Ron read the so-called Quietists?  Of course.  We all have been doing so for the last 50 years.  The division which Ron describes is real.  Does he make that division better, or worse, by taking a divisive stance towards it</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/711775010491568912'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/711775010491568912'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194803160000#c711775010491568912' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3083351989707866110</id><published>2007-11-11T10:14:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-11T10:14:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>James Owens (anhaga), Check out Ron’s essay from F...</title><summary type='text'>James Owens (anhaga), Check out Ron’s essay from Feb 6 06 as well as the other five other essays that come up when you search “repression recovery,” an anthology that prompts Ron to reflect on the topics you raise, as well as Ron’s essays on Olson from May to June in 06, his notes on Objectivism from Nov 3 06, on Jennifer Moxley on June 20 05..  more to be found..</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/3083351989707866110'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/3083351989707866110'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194794040000#c3083351989707866110' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-1154495932136676356</id><published>2007-11-10T23:42:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-10T23:42:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>As someone who produces both poetry and textual co...</title><summary type='text'>As someone who produces both poetry and textual commercially sold art, I make a firm distinction between poetry and textual art. The encoding of the poem, what makes it a poem, is the words. That encoding can be presented in many forms, as text on the web, as text in a book, spoken to a large or small audience, spoken on an mp3 file, incorporated as an element in a larger picture, or (the form I </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/1154495932136676356'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/1154495932136676356'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194756120000#c1154495932136676356' title=''/><author><name>chris</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09326302489426731056</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-892424264"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8155792062344502723</id><published>2007-11-10T19:23:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-10T19:23:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>When I first saw the vispo work above, I was attra...</title><summary type='text'>When I first saw the vispo work above, I was attracted to it/ partly because it brought to mind a large brown moth I have seen only once.  I didn&#39;t recall its name (cecropia) until I was shutting down for a food and vitamin break.  I am a writer whose formative years were silence-centered, and silence remains important to me; but I am stylistically multifarious and do not fit the usual </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/8155792062344502723'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/8155792062344502723'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194740580000#c8155792062344502723' title=''/><author><name>brian salchert</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11649691450577647656</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1297934363"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5332898701366845562</id><published>2007-11-10T19:05:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-10T19:05:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Interesting work.Although I appreciate the ties to...</title><summary type='text'>Interesting work.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Although I appreciate the ties to Blake, among others, to my eye this looks like nothing so much as some of Cage&#39;s textual work on computerized steroids. The &quot;32 Mesostics Re Merce Cunningham,&quot; for example. Or some of the other available examples on Ubuweb.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It&#39;s more like an extension, using the new software to take it further.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As a former professional</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/5332898701366845562'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/5332898701366845562'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194739500000#c5332898701366845562' title=''/><author><name>Art Durkee</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07463180236975988432</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='20' height='32' src='http://www.arthurdurkee.net/images/ADSTICK1.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1315265054"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8668447163538435078</id><published>2007-11-10T16:07:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-10T16:07:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>long ago i told a fellow visual poet that the work...</title><summary type='text'>long ago i told a fellow visual poet that the work of peter c wd be that which would be taken to be &quot;visual poetry&quot; by persons like ron silliman--&lt;BR/&gt;it is basically an equivalent of the work of the &quot;painter of light&quot; for persons with higher pretensions--</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/8668447163538435078'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/8668447163538435078'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194728820000#c8668447163538435078' title=''/><author><name>David-Baptiste Chirot</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06280468900786938412</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-96873480"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-996563060322688969</id><published>2007-11-10T14:58:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-10T14:58:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>It is hard to read &quot;neophobe&quot; as a purely descript...</title><summary type='text'>It is hard to read &quot;neophobe&quot; as a purely descriptive term. Rather, it seems inevitably derogative, and the presumptive opposite, &quot;neophile,&quot; would be hard to read, in the context of this blog and most other venues of Avant comment, as anything other than a compliment.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This assignment of value to the new, &lt;I&gt;as new&lt;/I&gt;, is a common feature of Avant Po (and other avant garde movements), </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/996563060322688969'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/996563060322688969'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194724680000#c996563060322688969' title=''/><author><name>anhaga</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07614935078978354375</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='20' height='32' src='http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3534/2468/1600/kleebirds.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1863831041"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8363438502472686691</id><published>2007-11-10T09:54:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-10T09:54:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I haven&#39;t read your essay in the Politics of Poeti...</title><summary type='text'>I haven&#39;t read your essay in the Politics of Poetic Form since a couple of years after it came out in the early 90s, but I seem to remember it being the one where you suggest joining forces and interfacing with the official verse culture, using the metaphor of the Democratic Socialists working with the Democrats. That approach was apparently short-lived.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/8363438502472686691'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/8363438502472686691'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194706440000#c8363438502472686691' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-1768633816834413680</id><published>2007-11-10T09:16:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-10T09:16:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>My name is Jason Hyun, by the way. And if you want...</title><summary type='text'>My name is Jason Hyun, by the way. And if you want to get in touch with me you can email me at jason.hyun@gmail.com&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;At the end of my comments I list some concrete strategies that Ron or others may take to begin to make substantive change in the institutional problems of poetry prizes and publishing that divide all of us in some ways. It is impossible to be “fair” when artistic </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/1768633816834413680'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/1768633816834413680'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194704160000#c1768633816834413680' title=''/><author><name>Jason</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12216759442154735885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-246495946"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8181580185138037663</id><published>2007-11-09T18:59:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-09T18:59:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Lucan was killed over poetic jealousyand got to re...</title><summary type='text'>Lucan was killed over poetic jealousy&lt;BR/&gt;and got to recite a line of poetry as he died..&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;keep poetry irrational!&lt;BR/&gt;fugue everyhon on all sides&lt;BR/&gt;we all one we all lost&lt;BR/&gt;we&#39;re all earelevant&lt;BR/&gt;and that&#39;s beside the point&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;witch ~ is</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/8181580185138037663'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/8181580185138037663'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194652740000#c8181580185138037663' title=''/><author><name>phaneronoemikon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08430230355065457354</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://www.hevanet.com/solipsis/images/phanero.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1411460047"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-4356452712604362080</id><published>2007-11-09T18:09:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-09T18:09:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>One might also inspect OED definition #2 of ‘criti...</title><summary type='text'>One might also inspect OED definition #2 of ‘criticism’: “The act of estimating the qualities and character of literary and artistic work.”&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But frequently interjecting accusations of ‘hate speech,’ using numbers and bullets, and attempting to moralize on behalf of the institutional establishment is always an indication of education money well spent.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;“The greater the decrease in </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/4356452712604362080'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/4356452712604362080'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194649740000#c4356452712604362080' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3151474223486990472</id><published>2007-11-09T17:16:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-09T17:16:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Simple question to &quot;john&quot; above:Do you think any &quot;...</title><summary type='text'>Simple question to &quot;john&quot; above:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Do you think any &quot;Quietist&quot; critic would either know or care about ANY poet who chose to explore composition at the level of the visual?  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;That&#39;s the difference between Ron and them.  He reads the Quietists, and he knows all about their agenda.  They don&#39;t know squat about his, and they aren&#39;t interested in learning.  As far as they&#39;re concerned,</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/3151474223486990472'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/3151474223486990472'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194646560000#c3151474223486990472' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-9060188468427027692</id><published>2007-11-09T14:48:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-09T14:48:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Who hasn&#39;t heard of knickers?  These days it&#39;s a B...</title><summary type='text'>Who hasn&#39;t heard of knickers?  These days it&#39;s a British term for women&#39;s underwear.  But it&#39;s short for knickerbockers, which comes from Diedrich Knickerbocker, the pseudonym used by Washington Irving for &lt;I&gt;A History of New York&lt;/I&gt; (1809).  It came to refer to descendants of the original Dutch settlers of NYC (back when it was NA, of course) and then to New Yorkers in general.  (Hence the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/9060188468427027692'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/9060188468427027692'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194637680000#c9060188468427027692' title=''/><author><name>Matt</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00791420971869885860</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1864187319"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-4722644837313610176</id><published>2007-11-09T14:31:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-09T14:31:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>the meaning of neophobe is kind of obvious though,...</title><summary type='text'>the meaning of &lt;I&gt;neophobe&lt;/I&gt; is kind of obvious though, isn&#39;t it, when broken down into it&#39;s greek components? neo (new) phobos (fear, as in phobia).&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;if you were to look it up, you&#39;d find that &lt;I&gt;neophobe&lt;/I&gt; and &lt;I&gt;neophobia&lt;/I&gt; are in many &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.allwords.com/word-neophobe.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dictionaries&lt;/A&gt;, and date from the 19th century. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;the wikipedia </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/4722644837313610176'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/4722644837313610176'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194636660000#c4722644837313610176' title=''/><author><name>shanna</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/17706867356078179503</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://www.shannacompton.com/shanna_halloween.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-927990281"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5988215147345744003</id><published>2007-11-09T13:53:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-09T13:53:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Jason -- what do you mean by &quot;interphase with the ...</title><summary type='text'>Jason -- what do you mean by &quot;interphase with the establishment?&quot; Curious as to specifically what actions that would entail.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/5988215147345744003'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/5988215147345744003'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194634380000#c5988215147345744003' title=''/><author><name>Annandale Dream Gazette</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08155953951163636760</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1293329833"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-1607285373700447866</id><published>2007-11-09T12:53:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-09T12:53:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I totally agree with John de Lavallade. I mean, yo...</title><summary type='text'>I totally agree with John de Lavallade. I mean, you could have simply posted your great observations about vispoets without namecalling yet again to create silly controversy and boost readership to your website (the brag about it). It was I many comments ago who said that you need to interphase with the establishment that you deplore. Otherwise, your complaints sound false and attention-getting, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/1607285373700447866'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/1607285373700447866'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194630780000#c1607285373700447866' title=''/><author><name>Jason</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12216759442154735885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-246495946"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-1013142105657799832</id><published>2007-11-09T11:15:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-09T11:15:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Oh, by the way, there&#39;s an article about Saroyan o...</title><summary type='text'>Oh, by the way, there&#39;s &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/feature.html?id=179985&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an article about Saroyan&lt;/A&gt; on, yes, the Poetry Foundation website.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/1013142105657799832'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/1013142105657799832'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194624900000#c1013142105657799832' title=''/><author><name>Don Share</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446230480847015806</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1011881777"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-1172363860030114147</id><published>2007-11-09T11:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-09T11:00:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I do wonder a bit at your acceptance of the signif...</title><summary type='text'>I do wonder a bit at your acceptance of the significance of mainstream prizes, Ron, and your idea that institutions like Berkeley and the Ivy League are where it&#39;s at.  Yes, experimental poets deserve good jobs and recognition, but does it have to come via the institutions they otherwise are in some tension with?  And if they aren&#39;t in tension with them, then where are they?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/1172363860030114147'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/1172363860030114147'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194624000000#c1172363860030114147' title=''/><author><name>Susan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11149093537815104761</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-916968898"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3141454157476389810</id><published>2007-11-09T10:33:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-09T10:33:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I havent seen Cicciarello&#39;s work, except for the e...</title><summary type='text'>I havent seen Cicciarello&#39;s work, except for the example of it you present here.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This example strikes me as intriguing, though straightforward, visual (or plastic) art, which may in fact be a photograph of a construct, though he might have made it with Photoshop@ or another software program.  It does not ask to be taken as a text, but as a commentary upon the disintegration or </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/3141454157476389810'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/3141454157476389810'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194622380000#c3141454157476389810' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2146479891032220708</id><published>2007-11-09T10:23:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-09T10:23:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Dear Ron Silliman,Indeed, indeed: as you plainly s...</title><summary type='text'>Dear Ron Silliman,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Indeed, indeed: as you plainly say, you &lt;I&gt;do&lt;/I&gt; speak from a huge &quot;mountaintop&quot; from which it pains you to embrace even REASONABLE arguments without wierd jibes to go along with crow-swallowing. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Speaking of wierd jibes: &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;- What is a neophobe? &lt;BR/&gt;- What is a knicker? &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Several commenters have asked you to define terms--especially when they</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/2146479891032220708'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/2146479891032220708'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194621780000#c2146479891032220708' title=''/><author><name>John</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08216543308349713116</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1137628845"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-4737839411308020008</id><published>2007-11-09T10:13:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-09T10:13:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I&#39;m glad you are looking at PC, Ron,and saying he ...</title><summary type='text'>I&#39;m glad you are looking at PC, Ron,&lt;BR/&gt;and saying he is&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;concerned instead with the moment things pass into unintelligibility, the instant of rupture&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;is fine, but there&#39;s a lot of associations in Peter&#39;s work. He often has a memorializing quality, and a monumental one. His images are always enclosed or womb-like bringing on flavors of gnosticism.&lt;BR/&gt;He has a very specific </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/4737839411308020008'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/4737839411308020008'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194621180000#c4737839411308020008' title=''/><author><name>phaneronoemikon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08430230355065457354</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://www.hevanet.com/solipsis/images/phanero.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1411460047"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6386263793875038893</id><published>2007-11-09T09:57:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-09T09:57:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>We should also add media poetry into the mix; at l...</title><summary type='text'>We should also add media poetry into the mix; at least there&#39;s Eduardo Kac&#39;s new anthology published by Intellect in Chicago and Bristol.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/6386263793875038893'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/6386263793875038893'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194620220000#c6386263793875038893' title=''/><author><name>Don Share</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446230480847015806</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1011881777"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3018086596972109806</id><published>2007-11-09T08:42:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-09T08:42:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron,I haven&#39;t thought through this much, but you c...</title><summary type='text'>Ron,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I haven&#39;t thought through this much, but you could add Joel Lipman to your list of vispoets who were hired by a university for their writing. Visual poets tend to be quite unacademic, of course, which reduces their chances of entrance essentially to nil. I could be an academic, I suppose, but consciously chose not to be. (Couldn&#39;t stand grading papers, a kind of drudgery worse than </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/3018086596972109806'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3065597251425259215/comments/default/3018086596972109806'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html?showComment=1194615720000#c3018086596972109806' title=''/><author><name>Geof Huth</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04763053227479195348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='32' src='http://photos1.blogger.com/img/186/968/1024/HUTH21.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-shouldnt-whine.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3065597251425259215' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3065597251425259215' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-599696549"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 09, 2007"/></entry></feed>