<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post3345985154750018912..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>20</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6091896403569378349</id><published>2007-10-20T15:23:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-10-20T15:23:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Grenier&#39;s Sentences doesn&#39;t really begin until the...</title><summary type='text'>Grenier&#39;s Sentences doesn&#39;t really begin until the late 1970&#39;s. Bob had been writing &quot;poems&quot; right through his appointment at Berkeley and beyond-- Faville&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;well. I was at Franconia from 1970-1973, and had some juvinalia published in &quot;This&quot; thanks to Bob, I guess. All I can tell you is that, as Bob says in several places available online, a great deal of Sentences was written and shared </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/6091896403569378349'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/6091896403569378349'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1192908180000#c6091896403569378349' title=''/><author><name>Bob</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14884758194000823399</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1010532570"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="October 20, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6494286058685225175</id><published>2007-05-25T17:25:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-25T17:25:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Phantom Anthems was written as a &quot;time out&quot; betwee...</title><summary type='text'>Phantom Anthems was written as a &quot;time out&quot; between Sentences and the Scrawls.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#39;m not sure what the original impetus, but he told me he used to pour that stuff out as an exorcism or regurgitation from working nights as a copyreader at the Brobeck Law Firm in San Francisco (for years).  He&#39;d drive back in the wee hours, write a poem, and crash.  He sees them as filled with &quot;crazy </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/6494286058685225175'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/6494286058685225175'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1180128300000#c6494286058685225175' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 25, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8134258775237899409</id><published>2007-05-25T00:26:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-25T00:26:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>MAD magazine published a book that could be consid...</title><summary type='text'>MAD magazine published a book that could be considered a contribution to the minimalist, concrete, orthographic moment, in 1973, &quot;The MAD Book of Word Power,&quot; by Max Brandel.  Most of the book involved visual puns but some were strictly orthographic jokes, such as these 3, in their entirety:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thou sh lt not steaal!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;LEST WE FO GET&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;SET THINE HOUSE IN ORDRE&lt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/8134258775237899409'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/8134258775237899409'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1180067160000#c8134258775237899409' title=''/><author><name>John</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07000424514491809383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1712146185"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 25, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-921972568188207598</id><published>2007-05-24T14:13:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-24T14:13:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis,Do you not see a closer similarity between ...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Do you not see a closer similarity between &lt;I&gt;A Day at the Beach&lt;/I&gt; and &lt;I&gt;Sentences&lt;/I&gt; than between those books and the work in, say, &lt;I&gt;Phantom Anthems&lt;/I&gt;? I think Sentences is his best work, but it doesn&#39;t seem like that radical a shift (for Grenier, that is--his work in general is a radical shift, when you compare it to the rest of poetry). &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;h l e a p s o b l i g </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/921972568188207598'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/921972568188207598'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1180030380000#c921972568188207598' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04367834692026653431</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='29' src='http://www.princemyshkins.com/images/yeller.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1668048852"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 24, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3693717215916709562</id><published>2007-05-23T19:11:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-23T19:11:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kherdian had at least 10 books of poems. He got ve...</title><summary type='text'>Kherdian had at least 10 books of poems. He got very involved in Gurdjieff stuff, and edited a journal.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The last I know he was very involved in golf up in the Portland suburbs, and had had a kidney stone.  And he was still interested in Gurdjieff.  Gurdjieff was a Christian Armenian Greek of sorts who wrote some funny books filled with weird jokes.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;He did write a book about the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/3693717215916709562'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/3693717215916709562'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1179961860000#c3693717215916709562' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7577892245904239372</id><published>2007-05-23T18:54:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-23T18:54:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Thanks, Michael, for mentioning my view of &quot;lighgh...</title><summary type='text'>Thanks, Michael, for mentioning my view of &quot;lighght&quot;--which I actually consider one of the best poems of ANY kind, ever.  I wrote about it in my 1997 essay on minimalist poetry at light&amp;dust--http://www.thing.net/~grist/l&amp;d/grumman/egrumn.htm, and many times elsewhere.  I&#39;m still writing about it, for I just discussed it in a book about haiku I&#39;m currently working on--as a haiku.  I fear I never </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/7577892245904239372'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/7577892245904239372'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1179960840000#c7577892245904239372' title=''/><author><name>bobgrumman</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16289253159301582507</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1438100233"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5847488472434800254</id><published>2007-05-23T12:46:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-23T12:46:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Didn&#39;t Kherdian write that bibliography on the San...</title><summary type='text'>Didn&#39;t Kherdian write that bibliography on the San Francisco Renaissance poets?  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think he also published a book of poems, which I have still somewhere.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I thought of him as a hanger-on.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Whatever happened to G.S. Charat Chandra?  --Woops, he died in 2000 (Wikipedia).  Darrell Gray knew him when we were all at Iowa.  Hard to believe he was 65 when he died.  Edited a</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/5847488472434800254'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/5847488472434800254'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1179938760000#c5847488472434800254' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2018001433713857011</id><published>2007-05-23T11:34:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-23T11:34:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>In fact I myself couldn&#39;t find anything much in Sa...</title><summary type='text'>In fact I myself couldn&#39;t find anything much in Saroyan or in Kherdian&#39;s poetry that resembled Corso&#39;s.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;So I was surprised the Kherdian told me this. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;(I was in his house in Portland, Oregon a few days before he moved to another house a bit further out.  I had contacted him to discuss his interest in Gurdjieff but it turned out we had a much larger mutual interest in Corso.)&lt;BR/</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/2018001433713857011'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/2018001433713857011'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1179934440000#c2018001433713857011' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-1653094053939620578</id><published>2007-05-23T10:03:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-23T10:03:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Woops, Kirby, you&#39;re out on a limb again.  Grenier...</title><summary type='text'>Woops, Kirby, you&#39;re out on a limb again.  Grenier has a distinctly protestant bent in his writing, with strong roots to New England Transcendentalism (Emerson &amp; Thoreau).  It would be difficult for me to understand where, in his work, you could find a &quot;socialist abstraction&quot; since his subject matter and focus seems to be based primarily on the family unit, work, a relationship with the land, the</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/1653094053939620578'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/1653094053939620578'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1179928980000#c1653094053939620578' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2754323175882707177</id><published>2007-05-22T18:35:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-22T18:35:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Saroyan made the news for his poems, but especiall...</title><summary type='text'>Saroyan made the news for his poems, but especially for getting an NEA on the basis of such poems.  He was the Mapplethorpe of his day.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Was it news that stays news, as Pound said poetry should be?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Well, it hasn&#39;t been on the news since then.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think it was David Kherdian who told me that he used to hang out with Aram Saroyan (the Armenian connection) and that pot was a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/2754323175882707177'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/2754323175882707177'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1179873300000#c2754323175882707177' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6283410206512530384</id><published>2007-05-22T16:41:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-22T16:41:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Bob Grumman just (well, 13 years ago, actually) sa...</title><summary type='text'>Bob Grumman just (well, 13 years ago, actually) said that &quot;lighght&quot; was one of his favorite visual-verbal poems:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;http://comprepoetica.com/newblog/blog01206.html&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;i know when i read it as a kid i still could remember how it felt to have to come to grips with that particular bizarrerie of english orthography--which this spare, elegant poem (but not only) re-evokes...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;m.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/6283410206512530384'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/6283410206512530384'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1179866460000#c6283410206512530384' title=''/><author><name>michael</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00975839075714035618</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1405243351"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7587292071849312334</id><published>2007-05-21T23:26:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-21T23:26:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Another distinction--not to nit-pick--Grenier&#39;s Se...</title><summary type='text'>Another distinction--not to nit-pick--&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Grenier&#39;s Sentences doesn&#39;t really begin until the late 1970&#39;s.  Bob had been writing &quot;poems&quot; right through his appointment at Berkeley and beyond--&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;the first drafts of A Day At The Beach pre-date Sentences by some years.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There&#39;s Water Farmer, the unpublished manuscript of poems written between the end of Dusk Road Games, and the</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/7587292071849312334'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/7587292071849312334'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1179804360000#c7587292071849312334' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 21, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3289653907138990383</id><published>2007-05-21T21:07:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-21T21:07:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron,A good explanation of the differences between ...</title><summary type='text'>Ron,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A good explanation of the differences between the work of these two great minimalists. Having never sat down to think about it before, I was amazed to see what was there.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Certainly, &quot;eyeye&quot; and &quot;lighght&quot; are Saroyan&#39;s two best pwoermds, and most famous--followed quickly by the inscrutable &quot;Blod.&quot; And people tend to prefer one over the over. I prefer &quot;eyeye,&quot; which is </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/3289653907138990383'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/3289653907138990383'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1179796020000#c3289653907138990383' title=''/><author><name>Geof Huth</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04763053227479195348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='32' src='http://photos1.blogger.com/img/186/968/1024/HUTH21.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-599696549"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 21, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-4871432820588617109</id><published>2007-05-21T19:51:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-21T19:51:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Damn that damn school of quietude!  Defending its ...</title><summary type='text'>Damn that damn school of quietude!  Defending its turf with such voracious, efficacious tenacity!  And with such quietude!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Seriously, thanks for the terrific post.  Very nice &amp; subtle discussion of the distinctions between the 2 poets.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/4871432820588617109'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/4871432820588617109'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1179791460000#c4871432820588617109' title=''/><author><name>John</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07000424514491809383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1712146185"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 21, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5982364496472528987</id><published>2007-05-21T19:33:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-21T19:33:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>typo canoe &amp; ticonderoga too</title><summary type='text'>typo canoe &amp; ticonderoga too</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/5982364496472528987'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/5982364496472528987'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1179790380000#c5982364496472528987' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 21, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5473440068154013386</id><published>2007-05-21T15:44:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-21T15:44:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>TYPOo</title><summary type='text'>TYPOo</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/5473440068154013386'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/5473440068154013386'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1179776640000#c5473440068154013386' title=''/><author><name>dbuuck</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01168078423144600856</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-160349318"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 21, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5504643217384234968</id><published>2007-05-21T14:40:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-21T14:40:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron:It seems to me that you&#39;ve given &quot;lighght&quot; sho...</title><summary type='text'>Ron:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It seems to me that you&#39;ve given &quot;lighght&quot; short shrift, so I wrote about these poems on my blog.  Rather than taking space here, I&#39;ll just &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://thiscruellestmonth.blogspot.com/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/A&gt; to it for you.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Best,&lt;BR/&gt;Nathan</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/5504643217384234968'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/5504643217384234968'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1179772800000#c5504643217384234968' title=''/><author><name>Nathan Austin</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08783782494546767453</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1159496720"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 21, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8669644626251478903</id><published>2007-05-21T09:53:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-21T09:53:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Hi Ron ---Aram Saroyan&#39;s &quot;lighght&quot; appeared in the...</title><summary type='text'>Hi Ron ---&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Aram Saroyan&#39;s &quot;lighght&quot; appeared in the September 1967 issue of Chicago Review --- the anthology of concretism issue --- edited by Wildman.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The poem won Saroyan a NEA poetry award and generated some of the controversy you mention --- see Saroyan&#39;s account here:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;http://www.ubu.com/papers/saroyan_flower.html&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;That issue of CR also contains an errata </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/8669644626251478903'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/8669644626251478903'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1179755580000#c8669644626251478903' title=''/><author><name>Joshua</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14580816483121029074</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-2123369270"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 21, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6882838937204773262</id><published>2007-05-21T09:11:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-21T09:11:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;The School of Quietude had successfully defended ...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;The School of Quietude had successfully defended what it saw as its turf.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Mightn&#39;t it be that, as far as the New York literary establishment was concerned, the &quot;Sixties&quot; (with its challenging attitudes and formalities) was &quot;over&quot; by 1970.  We tend to think of Coolidge and Saroyan and MacAdams as unwelcome visitors to the New York publishing scene, but in a sense those books from Harper</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/6882838937204773262'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/6882838937204773262'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1179753060000#c6882838937204773262' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 21, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6552677858111589750</id><published>2007-05-21T08:43:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-21T08:43:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>lumbering sleaze breakfast macroThe sleazenoise of...</title><summary type='text'>lumbering sleaze breakfast macro&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The sleaze&lt;BR/&gt;noise of&lt;BR/&gt;the sea&#39;&lt;BR/&gt;s teak            breakfast&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;[breakers]&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;th&#39;  lighght in my  eyeyes...&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;saturn alphabet progeny food&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;   sa pha pro fo&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;saphaprofo the s / release&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;the noise might lumber&lt;BR/&gt;toward the meat &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;    [breakers] m e e t b e e c h&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;th&#39;  lighght in </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/6552677858111589750'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/3345985154750018912/comments/default/6552677858111589750'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html?showComment=1179751380000#c6552677858111589750' title=''/><author><name>phaneronoemikon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08430230355065457354</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='27' height='32' src='http://www.phaneronoemikon.org/imago/2.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/05/of-my-reluctance-in-1970-to-include-bob.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3345985154750018912' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/3345985154750018912' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1411460047"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 21, 2007"/></entry></feed>