<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post683510950320861645..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>22</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3546572028473550321</id><published>2007-06-12T22:47:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-12T22:47:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Anthologies based on &quot;taking care of the spectrum ...</title><summary type='text'>Anthologies based on &quot;taking care of the spectrum of ethnic and cultural subgroups&quot; is nonsense.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;End of lecture.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/3546572028473550321'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/3546572028473550321'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181702820000#c3546572028473550321' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 12, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-582680254360525853</id><published>2007-06-12T16:59:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-12T16:59:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>To clarify, I wasn’t criticizing race and gender c...</title><summary type='text'>To clarify, I wasn’t criticizing race and gender considerations and I obviously don’t agree with the Kirbmobile.  I think one of the main purposes of those considerations is to benefit the reader’s ability to delimit the voices they are exposed to and my point was consistent with that belief.  Kirby purports to have more of a merit-based reading system but instead of actually reading poems he </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/582680254360525853'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/582680254360525853'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181681940000#c582680254360525853' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 12, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2535136388853891053</id><published>2007-06-12T15:39:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-12T15:39:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Darn, Ron. And here I had these great possible tit...</title><summary type='text'>Darn, Ron. And here I had these great possible titles already in mind:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The Lost American Poetry&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;or (a bit more risque),&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In the Dead American Elm&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One thing, though, to your &lt;BR/&gt;comment-- There is no way a project like this could be &quot;fun&quot;...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Kent</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/2535136388853891053'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/2535136388853891053'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181677140000#c2535136388853891053' title=''/><author><name>Kent Johnson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/15233688630151467658</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-901447242"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 12, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3227628013167988747</id><published>2007-06-12T14:38:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-12T14:38:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I&#39;d like to see an anthology composed entirely of ...</title><summary type='text'>I&#39;d like to see an anthology composed entirely of the Italian sonnets of Eskimo quadroplegic midget warlocks.  To date, I think, this element of our diversity has been left on the cutting room floor.  I weep whenever it occurs to me.  Someone should spend a year making sure they&#39;ve been included, and then someone else should insist that seats on the NBA benches be reserved for same.  Otherwise, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/3227628013167988747'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/3227628013167988747'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181673480000#c3227628013167988747' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 12, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-4725022409777336481</id><published>2007-06-11T19:54:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T19:54:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Well, the midgets.  Okay, Kirby.Ron makes some fai...</title><summary type='text'>Well, the midgets.  Okay, Kirby.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ron makes some fairly astounding pronouncements today:  I&#39;ts hard for me to imagine Zukofsky, Rexroth, Patchen, Niedecker, Oppen, Williams, H.D., Pound, Cummings, Moore, or Stein as belonging to the post-War generation.  They&#39;re either simply too old, or did their significant work before WWII (with a few exceptions).  Rexroth might be a special case, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/4725022409777336481'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/4725022409777336481'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181606040000#c4725022409777336481' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2168359958141133941</id><published>2007-06-11T19:23:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T19:23:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>from my interview with Blaser&quot;RB: The Image-Nation...</title><summary type='text'>from my interview with Blaser&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;RB: The Image-Nations, there are 25 or 26 of them, anyway, those will continue. The Boston poems, I like them. They were early poems, they were small poems. A terrible thing happened to me, and I&#39;ll never quite forgive my dear friend Don Allen for it, but when he was about to publish the New American Poetry, a big row started. Duncan was refusing. Duncan </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/2168359958141133941'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/2168359958141133941'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181604180000#c2168359958141133941' title=''/><author><name>John Sakkis</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08621102858745971700</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2801/1876/1600/dusiephoto.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1144833194"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2528118935418875121</id><published>2007-06-11T18:53:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T18:53:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Jonathan, I wasn’t going to interject my opinion w...</title><summary type='text'>Jonathan, I wasn’t going to interject my opinion which is similar to yours vis Ferlinghetti.  I put Koch in ‘human error,’ not lacking in stylistic innovation, and I can see your point with Schuyler but the nature of the innovations presented here should be considered.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ron, Kent just wants to go through your stacks and files looking for subversive political materials to report on.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/2528118935418875121'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/2528118935418875121'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181602380000#c2528118935418875121' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-1121066886143141077</id><published>2007-06-11T18:35:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T18:35:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kent,That sounds like a lot of fun, but time is al...</title><summary type='text'>Kent,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;That sounds like a lot of fun, but time is always the question. I took a year off work to work on In the American Tree and think that&#39;s pretty much the minimum needed even if you know the field intimately. Ask me again when I retire from this job,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ron</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/1121066886143141077'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/1121066886143141077'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181601300000#c1121066886143141077' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/silliman/silliman2a.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-1970930451829873421</id><published>2007-06-11T18:27:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T18:27:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Another way to break down the Allen roster might b...</title><summary type='text'>Another way to break down the Allen roster might be by religious affiliation (or ultimate religious affiliation):&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The Jungians&lt;BR/&gt;The feminists&lt;BR/&gt;The Buddhists&lt;BR/&gt;The socialists&lt;BR/&gt;The art for art&#39;s sake (art as autotelic)&lt;BR/&gt;The Christians&lt;BR/&gt;The Muslims&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Probably at least as interesting as the gender and race, which don&#39;t tell you what a poet chooses to be, and</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/1970930451829873421'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/1970930451829873421'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181600820000#c1970930451829873421' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8338634914029221026</id><published>2007-06-11T18:14:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T18:14:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The easier explanation is that Rothenberg feels cl...</title><summary type='text'>The easier explanation is that Rothenberg feels closer personally to poets of his own circle, more say to Diane Wakoski and Robert Kelly than to Kenneth Koch or James Schuyler.  3/5 of the original New York School poets are simply not there, whereas Rothenberg&#39;s own circle is all present.  Those other ex-post-facto explanations may have some element of truth but aren&#39;t all that convincing.  </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/8338634914029221026'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/8338634914029221026'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181600040000#c8338634914029221026' title=''/><author><name>Jonathan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1218785319"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3667974805221340929</id><published>2007-06-11T17:39:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T17:39:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I love a lot of the poets you mention, Ron, as hav...</title><summary type='text'>I love a lot of the poets you mention, Ron, as having been excluded by Rothenberg &amp; Joris, but I only really *miss* Spicer.  (And I didn&#39;t notice he was missing, so enthralled was I by who was included.)  I would be shocked to find out that &quot;payback&quot; was among the motivating factors for Rothenberg to exclude any of the Allen inclusions.  And let&#39;s not forget Joris.  He is on the byline too.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/3667974805221340929'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/3667974805221340929'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181597940000#c3667974805221340929' title=''/><author><name>John</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07000424514491809383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1712146185"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5630941352919027275</id><published>2007-06-11T16:25:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T16:25:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron,Some years ago, Dale Smith, Hoa Nguyen, and I ...</title><summary type='text'>Ron,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Some years ago, Dale Smith, Hoa Nguyen, and I began to compile an anthology of now-forgotten or heavily-neglected US poets who were doing their main work in the 60s and 70s. We had a list of about 60 to 80 poets, as I recall, almost all of them &quot;New American&quot; types. The list was majority white male, but it was still very diverse, very representative. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The project petered </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/5630941352919027275'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/5630941352919027275'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181593500000#c5630941352919027275' title=''/><author><name>Kent Johnson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/15233688630151467658</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-901447242"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-4395181583115492671</id><published>2007-06-11T15:50:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T15:50:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Over two thirds of the New Americans that one woul...</title><summary type='text'>Over two thirds of the New Americans that one would make a case for (omitting your omissions) have been included. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One characteristic of M2 is that it attempts to introduce the reader to as many different styles of poetry as possible, with each name almost in every case suggesting new possibilities of form.  So I see the omissions as related to that: poets with an actual body of work </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/4395181583115492671'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/4395181583115492671'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181591400000#c4395181583115492671' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7529426697461361125</id><published>2007-06-11T15:49:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T15:49:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I was just noticing that Bob Kaufman, Joanne Kyger...</title><summary type='text'>I was just noticing that Bob Kaufman, Joanne Kyger, and Ronald Johnson are not in Hoover&#39;s Postmodern American Poetry. Is that a fair criticism, when he has poets like David Lehman and other lesser lights there?  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There are many criticisms to be made of Millennium II. It is wonderful for what it does include, of course, but it tries to do too much and then ends up doing too little, in </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/7529426697461361125'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/7529426697461361125'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181591340000#c7529426697461361125' title=''/><author><name>Jonathan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1218785319"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-4197488414551810053</id><published>2007-06-11T15:12:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T15:12:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>No you&#39;re right, Ron.  Allen anthology.</title><summary type='text'>No you&#39;re right, Ron.  Allen anthology.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/4197488414551810053'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/4197488414551810053'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181589120000#c4197488414551810053' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2337676128637631519</id><published>2007-06-11T14:18:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T14:18:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I felt the same way about PFM2 when it first came ...</title><summary type='text'>I felt the same way about PFM2 when it first came out--that volume 1 was wonderful and that, if these were the only anthologies of &quot;modern and postmodern poetry&quot; somebody got, they&#39;d be stuck with a horrific misrepresentation of post-&#39;50&#39;s work in the U.S. A year ago, though, I finally got a copy of that volume as part of a project to fill in some gaps in my reading (read one writer from each of </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/2337676128637631519'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/2337676128637631519'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181585880000#c2337676128637631519' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04367834692026653431</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='29' src='http://www.princemyshkins.com/images/yeller.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1668048852"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-611036505539289741</id><published>2007-06-11T14:05:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T14:05:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Some of the New Americans omitted from Poems for t...</title><summary type='text'>Some of the New Americans omitted from Poems for the M2: Adam, Ferlinghetti, Guest, Koch, Lamantia, Oppenheimer, Schuyler, Sorrentino, Whalen, Welch, Wieners, Jonathan Williams, plus of course Spicer. In a narrow volume, a number of these would be defensible, but in one 870+ pages long it&#39;s rather different. And Spicer, Whalen, Welch, Guest &amp; Koch are frankly just bizarre.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/611036505539289741'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/611036505539289741'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181585100000#c611036505539289741' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/silliman/silliman2a.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3271197644210281423</id><published>2007-06-11T13:57:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T13:57:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kirby,You must mean the Allen anthology, since Don...</title><summary type='text'>Kirby,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You must mean the Allen anthology, since Donald Hall&#39;s anthologies (the ones co-edited by Pack &amp; Simpson) did nothing of the kind.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/3271197644210281423'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/3271197644210281423'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181584620000#c3271197644210281423' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/silliman/silliman2a.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-393278197671949731</id><published>2007-06-11T13:54:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T13:54:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Orrick Johns appears in one of those anthologies. ...</title><summary type='text'>Orrick Johns appears in one of those anthologies. He&#39;s a great neglected poet with only one really perfect poem, but he hit it.  Also, Denby does appear in one of the Oscar Williams anthologies.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But the Hall anthology got us out of the lyrical and into a kind of poetry that sounds like natural speech and that&#39;s been quite an improvement in general.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/393278197671949731'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/393278197671949731'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181584440000#c393278197671949731' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8075397953007990644</id><published>2007-06-11T11:42:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T11:42:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I agree that Jack Spicer obviously should have bee...</title><summary type='text'>I agree that Jack Spicer obviously should have been in Poems for the Millennium.  But I think you are exaggerating by calling it a ‘debacle’ and overreacting to it.  Not only does Poems for the Millennium give readers easy access to international modern traditions, but by juxtaposing American modernists/post-modernists, such as YOU, with those figures, it only amplifies and clarifies the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/8075397953007990644'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/8075397953007990644'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181576520000#c8075397953007990644' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3913714842560175987</id><published>2007-06-11T09:50:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T09:50:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Besides all the wonderful poetry, 2 things stand o...</title><summary type='text'>Besides all the wonderful poetry, 2 things stand out about the Allen anthology.  First, as Eliot Weinberger has pointed out, most of the poets were young and many of them had published no books.  Second, the statements on poetics give book explicit intellectual context and drive.  And third -- I agree, the division into sections is interestingly contentious and ultimately helpful.  It is a shock </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/3913714842560175987'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/3913714842560175987'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181569800000#c3913714842560175987' title=''/><author><name>John</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07000424514491809383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1712146185"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6487869101305317197</id><published>2007-06-11T08:16:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-11T08:16:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>And who are Ron Silliman&#39;s pronouncements pitched ...</title><summary type='text'>And who are Ron Silliman&#39;s pronouncements pitched to?  Often enough, to poetry newcomers who have no way of checking his facts.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Oscar Williams may have put out too many anthologies.  But some of them were very good.  The &quot;Major American Poets&quot; paperback of the early 60s had generous selections of very complex poems from a wide range of poets, along with a valuable &amp; penetrating </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/6487869101305317197'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/683510950320861645/comments/default/6487869101305317197'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html?showComment=1181564160000#c6487869101305317197' title=''/><author><name>Henry Gould</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06763188178644726622</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/3390/124/320/268619/PA100027.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-683510950320861645' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/683510950320861645' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1295597322"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 11, 2007"/></entry></feed>