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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Writing of Gabe Gudding&#8217;s essay on the impact of creative writing programs on the evolution of American poetry yesterday, I noted that at &#8220;its heart, what [Gudding&#8217;s essay] asks us to do is to think what the poem might be absent this particular literary history.&#8221; I found myself thinking of that exact question while reading the latest book from <a href="http://www.quale.com/"><span style='color:black'>Quale Press</span></a>, <a href="http://www.sherwoodanderson.org/"><span style='color:black'>Sherwood Anderson&#8217;s</span></a> <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://www.quale.com/Mid_SA.html"><span style='color:black'>Mid-American Chants</span></a>. </i>Originally published in 1918, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Mid-American Chants </i>is an anomaly, a relatively early work &#8211; his third book &#8211; of a late starter (Anderson was 42 when it first came out, four years after his first novel, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Windy McPherson&#8217;s Son</i>), a collection of poetry from an author known for his fiction. Here is a reasonably typical example, entitled &#8220;Song to New Song&#8221;:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Over my city Chicago a singer arises to sing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>I greet thee, hoarse and terrible singer, half man, half bird, strong, winged one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>I see you float in cold bleak winds,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Your wings burned by the fires of furnaces,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>In all your cries so little that is beautiful,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span class=GramE><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Only the fact that you have risen out of the din and roar to float and wait and point the way to song.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Back of your grim city, singer, the long flat fields.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span class=GramE><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Corn that stands up in orderly rows, full of purpose.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>As you float and wait, uttering your hoarse cries<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>I see new beauties in the standing corn,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>And dream of singers yet to come,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>When you and your rude kind, choked by the fury of your furnaces,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Have fallen dead upon this coal heap here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Kneeling in prayer I shall forget you not, grim singer,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Black bird, black against your black smoke-laden sky,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Uttering your hoarse and terrible cries,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>The while you do strive to catch and understand<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>The faint and long forgotten quality of song,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in'><span class=GramE><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>By never sweeter singers to be sung.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Several things in this text stand out, above &amp; beyond the obvious influence of Whitman. One is the fact that there is nothing personal here about the use of the first person singular. Is &#8220;I&#8221; here even a person? More accurately, it strikes me as a rhetorical position. Nor is there anything personal, even personified, about &#8220;you,&#8221; bird man of the furnaces. Rather, this is a kind of public, figurative language we hardly hear any more, save possibly in church. If it seems preposterous or stilted or dated, that is the index of just how far outside our expectations such language is today within the poem. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>And yet it is not, clearly, a sign of any weakness on the author&#8217;s part &#8211; rhythmically, this work is rock solid. You can tell almost instantly just how certain of his craft </span><st1:City><st1:place><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Anderson</span></st1:place></st1:City><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <span class=GramE>is</span> here. In its 19 lines, only ten words have as many as three syllables and just one &#8211; <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>beautiful </i>&#8211; has four. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>It&#8217;s hard for me to imagine that this kind of poetry was possible less than 30 years before I was born &#8211; my ear hears it as tho an echo of another age altogether. But of course those 30 years were  not just the period of the rise of the creative writing program with its emphasis on getting in touch with personal experience, but also of aural mass communication for the very first time as radio, in particular, and later motion pictures made the spoken word something that could take place on a one-to-many basis for the very first time. The very first thing you noticed about an emerging public figure like JFK or Lyndon Johnson was that they &#8220;talked funny,&#8221; which is to say that each showed pronounced vestiges of a regional accent. A lot of that has dissolved for those of us who grew up in the years immediately after World War 2, especially after corporations began to dictate the movement of families hither and yon over the landscape. So </span><st1:City><st1:place><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Anderson</span></st1:place></st1:City><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> employs a rhetoric that sounds as foreign now as does Ezra Pound&#8217;s trilled <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>r </i>in the recordings of his readings, conventions that have ceased to exist over the past century. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>One of the listservs I&#8217;m on has had a somewhat similar discussion about a more recent project, Robert Duncan&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://www.ndpublishing.com/books/duncangroundwork.html"><span style='color:black'>Ground Work</span></a>, </i>recently reissued by New Directions. Some writers there noted that they had not gotten into his work because they found it grim. I hardly think of it myself in those terms, but I do think that it insists on the seriousness of poetry itself as a vocation, and that Duncan himself &#8211; even where he farms his childhood and family mysteries for material &#8211; never particularly saw the poem as an occasion for <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>personal </i>expression. He was, literally, much more interested in the <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transpersonal"><span  style='color:black'>transpersonal</span></a>, </i>the idea that, as he put in an earlier poem, the dance exists prior to the presence of any dancers, who are merely &#8220;permitted to return&#8221; from time to time. It&#8217;s a view as old as Blake&#8217;s, but one that is a far cry from the experiential voice of the old <span class=SpellE>McPoem</span> of creative writing workshops <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>and </i>from the phenomenological sweep, say, one finds in much language (and post-) poetry. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Once you begin to do this, you start to see other kinds of poetry that likewise fall outside of Gudding&#8217;s model &#8211; the whole of vispo for one &#8211; and you begin to wonder what it means that this alternate tradition has not, at least to this point, ever been articulated as such. Is it that they have not had the institutional advantage of the MFA programs that carry forward the &#8220;growth agenda&#8221; of creative <span class=GramE>writing.</span> Where, say, does Kenny Goldsmith&#8217;s &#8220;uncreative writing&#8221; fit into such a counter tradition? <span class=GramE>Or the post-dada noodling of the likes of Fluxus or Dick Higgins?</span> <span class=GramE>Or, for that matter, Gertrude Stein.</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I don&#8217;t &#8211; today, anyway &#8211; have answers. But looking at the world through Gudding&#8217;s glasses does tend to bring different elements into focus. And that&#8217;s what I find interesting. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a href="http://www.english.ilstu.edu/people/profile.aspx?ulid=gmguddi"><span style='color:black'>Gabe Gudding</span></a> loves the role of trouble maker. You can see it in his <a href="http://www.upress.pitt.edu/BookDetails.aspx?bookId=35419"><span style='color:black'>poetry</span></a>, his criticism, his <a href="http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/"><span style='color:black'>weblog</span></a>, his missives to listservs, the people he chooses to champion. He lists &#8220;tastelessness&#8221; as a research interest on his web page at </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Illinois</span></st1:PlaceName><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span><st1:PlaceType><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>State</span></st1:PlaceType><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span><st1:PlaceType><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>University</span></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> in </span><st1:City><st1:place><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Normal</span></st1:place></st1:City><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> and is photographed there in front of the razor-wire fence of a prison.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Not unlike Kent Johnson, Gudding is one of those people whom it&#8217;s possible to admire even as you want to slap him across the face with an old trout. The impulse behind the ruckus is often good, but the impulse itself comes with a lot of baggage. It&#8217;s taken me years, for example, to get around to reading his essay, <a href="http://www.flashpointmag.com/guddin~1.htm"><span style='color:black'>&#8220;From Petit to Langpo: A History of Solipsism and Experience in American Poetics Since the Rise of Creative Writing,&#8221;</span></a> which I finally loaded onto my Palm TX &amp; read while I was in California. The title is off-putting enough, but somewhere early on when it was first posted to the <span class=SpellE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>FlashPoint</i></span> magazine website in 1999 I scanned it, saw a cheesy comment about Charles Bernstein (&#8220;arguably one of the most benighted and boring writers in the United States&#8221;), an aside that actually had nothing to do with the point then being made in the paper &amp; thought of all the other times that Gudding has gone jousting against some of <a href="http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/2003/04/someone-call-ambulance-dramatic.html"><span style='color:black'>my own favorite windmills</span></a>, myself included, and decided for the time being that I didn&#8217;t need to read <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>that. </i><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In fact, I was wrong. In spite of its somewhat misleading title &#8211; the subtitle is where all the action is here &#8211; Gudding&#8217;s essay is an attempt to understand the impact of creative writing programs on poetry itself, both the verse being written and, even more so, the divorce between the poet as <span class=SpellE>experiencer</span> of Big Feelings &#8211; what everyone from Oprah to Garrison Keeler mean by the adjective <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>poetic &#8211;</i> and the contemporary writer of poems that are often dismissed as too difficult or insular to bother reading. While there are a few poets &#8211; Robert Bly, Billy Collins, Ted Kooser, Amiri Baraka &#8211; who deliberately produce verse for audiences who don&#8217;t otherwise read poetry, most poets, regardless of their literary heritage or tendencies, are readily dismissed by mass audiences. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Gudding&#8217;s genius here has been not to ascribe this disjunction to one literary tendency or another (tho he also, just as clearly, demonstrates that its roots, if not its effects, are as far from the post-avant tradition as one could imagine), but would appear to be grounded in the history of American education as such, specifically in the rise of English departments, a phenomenon that did not exist 200 years ago, and within them the rise of creative writing courses. Gudding makes great use of John Dewey&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Art and Experience </i>and the writings and work of William Hughes <span class=SpellE>Mearns</span>, whom Gudding credits as the first to teach the subject by name. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Gudding&#8217;s point is that creative writing never was intended to produce poets, <span class=SpellE>fictioneers</span>, playwrights or (the latest and most telling development, tho Gudding somewhat surprisingly doesn&#8217;t mention it to support his case, which it surely does) professional purveyors of the &#8220;personal essay.&#8221; Rather, from the beginning, the purpose was to develop, in <span class=SpellE>Mearns</span>&#8217;  words, &#8220;self-expression as a means of growth, and not poetry&#8230;. <span class=GramE>The business of making professional poets is still another matter &#8211; with which this writer has never had the least interest&#8221; (Gudding&#8217;s ellipsis).</span> <span class=SpellE>Mearns</span>&#8217; efforts might not have created poets, but it sure did create jobs for them, paid work aimed precisely at replicating the same fuzzy experiential agenda &#8211; the idea that a creative writing course is the one class in college that is explicitly about <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>You</i>. Gudding cites a then-current </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceType><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>University</span></st1:PlaceType><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> of </span><st1:PlaceName><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Montana</span></st1:PlaceName></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> creative writing program&#8217;s brochure that quotes the late Richard Hugo saying &#8220;</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>a creative writing class may be one of the last places where you can go where your life still matters.&quot; Gudding implies, and he&#8217;s not wrong, that this isn&#8217;t necessarily a good thing. While I was out in California last week &#8211; staying at the home of one of Hugo&#8217;s former students, no less, now a psychotherapist whose bookshelves are full of the Pablo Neruda-to-Jane Kenyon spectrum of verse &#8211; one former Mills professor told me of a &#8220;revolt&#8221; that occurred in one of his classes when he had the temerity to suggest that his students actually <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>read </i>contemporary poetry. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The very same poetics of experience that lies at the heart of this growth agenda &#8211; Gudding calls it &#8220;democratic freighting,&#8221; acknowledging the impulses behind Dewey&#8217;s view of curriculum &#8211; leads to an aesthetic of the overwrought on the side of the School of Quietude, and to a phenomenology of the signifier among post avants, neither of which is calculated to gain a broad readership in a world where the lowest common denominator seems to be Dan Brown&#8217;s plot-driven conspiracy narratives.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Gudding concludes by demonstrating just how pervasive this aesthetic of the personal has become, quoting poet after poet, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>from all literary tendencies</i>, who argue, in form or another, that the poem is found &#8211; the contemporary poet doesn&#8217;t so much <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>write </i>the poem as she or he <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>discovers it </i>&#8211; rather than <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>constructed</i> (the alternate model Gudding traces back to Coleridge): Robert Frost, Eudora <span class=SpellE>Welty</span>, Ed Dorn, Robert Creeley, Bill Stafford. A secondary, but not unimportant aspect of Gudding&#8217;s panoply of consequences is the rise of prose within poetry, precisely on the theory &#8211; Russell Edson is cited here &#8211; on the grounds that it is closer to experience because prose entails less of a formal dimension.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>At its heart, Gudding&#8217;s argument is fascinating and troubling pretty much in equal amounts. At its heart, what it asks us to do is to think what the poem might be absent this particular literary history. That&#8217;s a profoundly important question.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>But Gudding&#8217;s execution &#8211; this appears to have been written while he was himself still in the MFA program at Cornell &#8211; is beyond sloppy. His gratuitous dismissal of Charles Bernstein ignores Bernstein&#8217;s own work in this area &#8211; and Bernstein&#8217;s Brechtian send-ups of the personal in his own poetry would seem to be exactly what Gudding is tacitly advocating. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Further, Gudding&#8217;s description of prose as an anti-formal aesthetic strategy sounds very 1960s and the constructivist tendencies of the language school are nowhere considered, particularly since they (we) are being dismissed out of hand. It puts Gudding into the convoluted position of arguing for things that he otherwise trashes. One wishes, for example, that he had simply set aside the cheap shots and made the sort of meticulous case for his position that one associates, say, with the work on the history of canons done by Alan <span class=SpellE>Golding</span>. It wouldn&#8217;t have been that hard to do, but <span class=SpellE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>FlashPoint</i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> </i>is hardly the only online journal that seems to think that editing stops with accepting a particular work. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>But Gudding shouldn&#8217;t be dismissed just because he may be his own worst enemy rhetorically. The argument that he is making &#8211; however incomplete and riddled with problems it might be &#8211; has elements that ring true and would be good to think out at far greater length. Gudding&#8217;s own poetry might be characterized as neo-Georgian, particularly with its emphasis on satire and social wit, as if the only way to sidestep the problematics of the personal might be to go back to the last period in which such concerns were not (yet) an issue. I&#8217;m not convinced of this, either by the poems themselves or by Gudding&#8217;s reasoning here, but at the very least this misnamed essay offers gateways through which one might begin to address such issues. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li><a href='http://ronsillimanbibliography.blogspot.com/'>Silliman's Bibliography</a></li>
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<li><a href='http://twitter.com/ronsilliman'>Twitter</a></li>
<li><a href='http://www.ubu.com/contemp/silliman/index.html'>Ubuweb</a></li>
<li><a href='https://library.ucsd.edu/speccoll/findingaids/mss0075.html'>UC San Diego Archives</a></li>
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">MEMOIRS &amp; COLLABORATIONS</span><br /><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Leningrad-American-Writers-Soviet-Union/dp/1562790056">Leningrad</a><br /><a href="http://www.thegrandpiano.org/">The Grand Piano</a><br /><a href="https://www.saltpublishing.com/products/under-albany-9781844710515">Under Albany</a><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">CRITICISM</span><br /><a href="http://www.spdbooks.org/Producte/0937804207/the-new-sentence.aspx">The New Sentence</a><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">ANTHOLOGY</span><br /><a href="https://secure.touchnet.com/C22921_ustores/web/classic/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCTID=327&SINGLESTORE=true">In The American Tree</a><br /><br /><br /><br />
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<br /><img alt="" src="file%3A///Users/Lynn/Desktop/silliman2a.jpg" / /><img alt="" src="file%3A///Users/Lynn/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems/moz-screenshot.png" / /><span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">RON SILLIMAN</span> has written and edited 40 books, and had his poetry and criticism translated into 16 languages. Silliman was a 2012 Kelly Writers House Fellow, the 2010 recipient of the Levinson Prize from the Poetry Foundation, a 2003 Literary Fellow of the National Endowment for the Arts, a 2002 Fellow of the Pennsylvania Arts Council, and a 1998 Pew Fellow in the Arts. Silliman has a plaque in the walk dedicated to poetry in his home town of Berkeley and a sculpture in the Transit Center of Bury, Lancaster, a part of the Irwell Sculpture Trail. He lives in Chester County, Pennsylvania and teaches at the University of Pennsylvania.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />(c) 2002-2019 by Ron Silliman.
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