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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><img height="320" id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://writing.upenn.edu/epc/mirrors/ronsilliman.blogspot.com/images/lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/ppmL6CiRtSuVj0s-jW6WkuuWoYrZyZDGLuxGpscJ0jp6xmX4H0WQx6zG2BP9l7yDFMVOi8_wQST3QY9OXiPLytuJSCsrIOJuFx0rR7ykN4YU%3Ds0-d" width="205"></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>If you give them a little time, poetry anthologies can turn into wonderful instruments for looking at the world of poetry historically, even sociologically. One that I picked up not that long ago is <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2fsfqd"><span style='color:black'>The New Writing in the USA</span></a>, </i>published by Penguin for the commonwealth market in 1967, and edited by Donald M. Allen &amp; Robert Creeley. This places it seven years after the breakthrough <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/7045.html"><span style='color:black'>The New American Poetry</span></a>, </i>known to everyone as the Allen anthology, two years after the Robert Kelly-Paris Leary <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://tinyurl.com/yrw4pa"><span style='color:black'>A Controversy of Poets</span></a> </i>attempted to put on display the differences in poetics between the New Americans &amp; the School of Quietude. <o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The New Writing </span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>has 33 contributors &#8211; Donald Allen&#8217;s preface makes it clear that Robert &#8220;Duncan, disenchanted with anthologies, has refused us permission&#8221; (as indeed he did also to Kelly &amp; Leary). Of the 33, just 22 appeared in the Allen anthology seven years earlier. Among the more notable absences here of contributors to that earlier volume are Brother Antoninus, Paul Blackburn, Paul Carroll, Larry Eigner, Madeline Gleason, Kenneth Koch, Philip Lamantia, David Meltzer, Joel Oppenheimer, Peter Orlovsky, Jimmy Schuyler, &amp; Jonathan Williams. Some of these may be all the more surprising when you consider that Richard Duerden &amp; Ron Loewinsohn appear in both books. But less surprising, given the broader range hinted at in the title &#8211; <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Writing </i>instead of <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Poetry </i>&#8211; is that over half of the eleven additions new to this volume are either prose writers &#8211; such as William Burroughs, John Rechy, Michael Rumaker, Hubert Selby, Jr. &amp; Douglas Woolf &#8211; or, in the case of Richard Brautigan, are represented solely by fiction. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Of the five new poets that show up here but not in the Allen anthology, four are younger &#8211; James Koller, Joanne Kyger, Ed Sanders &amp; George Stanley &#8211; while the fifth is Louis Zukofsky. Of these, only Zukofsky shows up in <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>A Controversy of Poets. </i>In that book, each editor contributed 30 poets (the total of 59 was a consequence of Duncan&#8217;s refusal). Besides Zukofsky, some of the non-Quietist poets Kelly added to <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Controversy </i>included Kelly himself, Ted Enslin, Jerry Rothenberg, Diane Wakoski, Gerrit Lansing, Georgia Lee McElhaney, Joel Oppenheimer, Rochelle Owens &amp; Jackson Mac Low.&#185; It&#8217;s a volume very much intended, at least by Kelly, to demonstrate the evolution of post-avant writing since 1960. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The differences between Kelly&#8217;s choices in 1965 &amp; Creeley&#8217;s two years later are interesting. Kelly&#8217;s are very visibly the core poets &#8211; only David Antin &amp; Clayton Eshleman are missing &#8211; of the journal <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Catepillar, </i>which Eshleman will begin publishing in the fall of 1967. Except for Lansing, who&#8217;d already moved from a job with Columbia University Press up to Gloucester, Massachusetts, &amp; the New York-raised McElhaney who&#8217;s bio note gives no clue where she might be living (she now resides in Shepherdstown, WV), it&#8217;s a New York-centric reading of contemporary poetry.<o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>With the exception of Sanders, the one true Beat who was close to the Projectivist Poets (Olson&#8217;s fascination with documentation leads pretty directly to Sanders&#8217; investigative poetry &amp; the two shared a fetish for all things Egyptian), Creeley&#8217;s other choices are noticeably Western &#8211; two members of the Spicer Circle (Kyger &amp; Stanley) &amp; two who could easily be placed as New Western/Zen Cowboy poets (Koller &amp; again Kyger), the orientation most clearly articulated by Koller&#8217;s magazine, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Coyote&#8217;s Journal. </i>Even among Creeley&#8217;s prosoid choices you see this &#8211; first in Brautigan &amp; then Rumaker, a Black Mountain graduate who&#8217;d headed to the great gay Mecca on the Left Coast. &#8220;The Cleveland Wrecking Yard&#8221; from Brautigan&#8217;s then-in-progress novel <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Trout Fishing in America </i>is an iconic instance of West Coast aesthetics.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Because the focus here is writing rather than poetry, as such, it&#8217;s interesting to see which poets are represented by prose, fictive or otherwise. Creeley&#8217;s own selection begins with the story &#8220;The Book,&#8221; and follows with two poems from <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Words. </i>Ed Dorn has just one poem, tho possibly his very best ever, &#8221;From Gloucester Out&#8221; followed by the story &#8220;1<sup>st</sup> Avenue.&#8221; LeRoi Jones&#8217; work consists of his &#8220;Crow Jane&#8221; series of poems, followed by the play &#8220;Dutchman.&#8221; Kerouac is strictly prose. McClure has two poems followed by the essay &#8220;Suicide and Death.&#8221; Olson, whose 24 pages are exceeded only by Kerouac&#8217;s &#8220;Before The Road&#8221; with 26 (Burroughs has 23, Rumaker 21 and everyone else quite a few less), starts off with &#8220;A Human Universe,&#8221; following up with two poems. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>It&#8217;s interesting to think of the fate of other forms &amp; the New Americans generally. With the exceptions of Burroughs, Brautigan, Bobbie Louise Hawkins &amp; Gil Sorrentino, four very different writers, the fiction of that generation isn&#8217;t easy to come by. Yet clearly, in Creeley&#8217;s eyes at least, fiction &amp; even theory were important New American projects, as such. Less than a decade later, the language poets will get slammed by the likes of Tom Clark &amp; Andrei Codrescu for their own interest in critical &amp; especially theoretical writing. And langpo itself had already jettisoned fiction. Indeed, after <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Mabel, </i>the last 30 years of Creeley&#8217;s life are fiction free.<o:p></o:p></span></p> 
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>What happened? For one thing, I think the market constraints on fiction <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>as product </i>proved infinitely stronger than those the big trade presses were able to bring to bear on poetry. The New Americans had impacts on a wide range of interesting prose writers, from Keith Abbott to Jeremy Larner to Harry Matthews to Kathy Acker, but in the advertising driven world of trade fiction even these writers have been substantially marginalized. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Olson&#8217;s death had a huge impact on critical writing, as such. While he was not the only such writer &#8211; arguably Creeley was the more important critic overall &#8211; it was Olson who goaded the likes of both Creeley &amp; Duncan to produce theoretical work. Other than O&#8217;Hara&#8217;s wry &#8220;Personism,&#8221; nobody else among the New Americans really produced any to speak of. What they did produce, like Sorrentino&#8217;s chronicles of short reviews, were mostly critical rather than theoretical. And when the NY School poets figured out that critical writing applied to the visual arts paid money, that was all she wrote. Some, like Peter Schjeldahl, John Yau &amp; Carter Ratcliff, would become very good at this, but only Yau has kept much of an identity as a poet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Actually, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The New Writing in the USA </i>may have been the first anthology related to the New Americans that had to acknowledge death at all &#8211; the contributor&#8217;s notes for both O&#8217;Hara and Spicer mention their recent deaths. Kerouac, Olson &amp; Lew Welch will all die within the next four years.&#178;<o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>And in some sense, it does a better job acknowledging death than it does gender. Just three of its 33 contributors &#8211; Guest, Kyger &amp; Levertov &#8211; are female, the same dim ratio of ten to one that applied to <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The New American Poetry </i>which had four women (add Gleason &amp; Helen Adam, subtract Kyger) among its 44 poets. Of the 59 poets in <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Controversy, </i>seven were female, including Guest &amp; Levertov, but now adding McElhaney, Owens &amp; Wakowski among the New Americans, Nancy Sullivan, Anne Sexton &amp; Adrienne Rich among the Quietists. In getting to a ratio of not quite six to one male to female contributors, Robert Kelly shatters the ten-to-one glass binding that Leary, Allen &amp; even Allen plus Creeley maintain. <o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Another thing worth noting here is the actual quality of the work. In addition to printing the best poem Ed Dorn may have written, Creeley &amp; Allen include Ron Loewinsohn&#8217;s &#8220;Against the Silences to Come,&#8221; easily his best work to this day, Jack Spicer&#8217;s &#8220;Love Poems&#8221; from <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Langauge </i>(contrast this with &#8220;Billy the Kid,&#8221; &#8220;The Book of Percival&#8221; &amp; &#8220;The Book of Merlin&#8221; in <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Controversy </i>and the early &#8220;Imaginary Elegies&#8221; in <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The New American Poetry</i>), Jones&#8217; <i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Dutchman, </i>plus some very interesting &amp; atypical Allen Ginsberg, &#8220;The Change: Kyoto-Tokyo Express, July 18, 1963&#8221; and &#8220;Kral Majales.&#8221; In part, this is just a generation of poets having grown more mature in the seven years since the Allen anthology, but it&#8217;s also Creeley&#8217;s much sharper eye (<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Trout Fishing in America, </i>an excerpt from <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Naked Lunch)</i> coming to bear. If they could have gotten his permission, Creeley &amp; Allen would have printed Duncan&#8217;s &#8220;The Apprehensions&#8221; as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The one place they don&#8217;t seem particularly sharp is around the work of the New York school. While Creeley &amp; Allen pick pieces from two of Ashbery&#8217;s very best books, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Rivers and Mountains </i>&amp; <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Tennis Court Oath, </i>including &#8220;These Lacustrine Cities,&#8221; they tend to stick to the safest works there, missing &#8220;Europe&#8221; and &#8220;The Skaters,&#8221; for example, entirely. O&#8217;Hara is restricted to one lunch poem and two pieces from the Tibor de Nagy edition of <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Love Poems. A Controversy of Poets, </i>which printed all of &#8220;Biotherm&#8221; &#8211; </span><span style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>in six point type!</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> &#8211; puts this British collection to shame. If they do a better job by Barbara Guest, it&#8217;s probably because they asked her advice &#8211; the two poems included here, &#8220;The Blue Stairs&#8221; and &#8220;The Return of the Muses,&#8221; had not previously appeared in print. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>One final point &#8211; feelings about The School of Quietude. Here are the first two-plus paragraphs of the first full section of Creeley&#8217;s &#8220;Introduction&#8221;:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>The forties were a hostile time for the writers here included. The colleges and universities were dominant in their insistence upon an <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>idea </i>of form extrinsic to the given instance. Poems were equivalent to cars insofar as many could occur of similar pattern &#8211; although each was, of course, &#8216;singular&#8217;. But it was this assumption of a <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>mold, </i>as a means that could be gained beyond the literal fact of the writing <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>here and now, </i>that had authority.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>It is the more ironic to think of it, remembering the incredible pressure of <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>feeling </i>also present in these years &#8211; of all that did want &#8216;to be said,&#8221; of so much confusion and pain wanting statement in its own terms. But again, it is Karl Shapiro&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Essay on Rime </i>(written in the South Pacific at a military base, &#8216;without access to books&#8217;, in iambic pentameter) which is successful, and Auden is the measure of competence. In contrast Ezra Pound, H.D., William Carlos Williams (despite the token interest as <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Paterson </i>begins to be published), Hart Crane, and especially Walt Whitman are largely disregarded<o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>The situation of prose I remember as much the same. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The sharp partisan tone of Creeley&#8217;s writing here clearly reflects his feelings. You don&#8217;t sense &#8211; not yet, anyway &#8211; any certainty that the likes of Shapiro &amp; Auden are destined for the dustbin of history &amp; that the likes of Whitman &amp; Crane will live on. Shapiro has already arrived at something approximating anonymity &amp; the lingering fans of Auden today are like meeting Ward &amp; June Cleaver, still in black & white, suddenly deposited by time machine into the 21<sup>st</sup> century. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>At the time Creeley was writing, the stranglehold of New Criticism on English Departments still seemed endless. The fact that English Departments were themselves a relatively recent phenomenon wasn&#8217;t yet perceived. Nor, for that matter, were the inroads that opponents of the New Critics, starting with Northrop Frye, were starting to have. The simple arrogance of presumption that characterized anti-New American criticism in the 1960s &#8211; viz. Norman Podhoretz &#8211; has been replaced by a new strategy whereby SoQ poets & their critical sponsors deny the very presence of their own existence as a community. But the old institutions have largely crumbled. Anthologies like <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The New American Poetry, A Controversy of Poets </i>&amp; <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The New Writing in the USA </i>all had something to do with that. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&#185; Some Allen anthology participants who turn up in <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>A Controversy of Poets </i>but not <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The New Writing in the USA </i>include Blackburn, Eigner, Edward Field (who may have been a Paris Leary choice), Edward Marshall &amp; Jonathan Williams. Some who turn up in <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The New Writing, </i>but not <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>A Controversy </i>include Duerden, Guest, Loewinsohn, Sorrentino, Welch &amp; Whalen. The 15 poets who appear in all three books are Ashbery, Blaser, Corso, Creeley, Dorn, Ferlinghetti, Ginsberg, Jones (Baraka), Levertov, McClure, O&#8217;Hara, Olson, Snyder, Spicer &amp; Wieners. 
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&#178; In happy contrast, just two of the 40 poets included in <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>In the American Tree </i>have passed in the 22 years since its publication. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>When, in editing the first volume of <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://www.bsu.edu/classes/koontz/barnwood/indbks/davis.htm"><span style='color:black'>Poet&#8217;s Bookshelf</span></a>,</i> Peter Davis got some 81 poets to respond to his request for a list of <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>5-10 books that have been most &#8220;essential&#8221; to you, as a poet<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>and asked his respondents further to &#8220;Please write some comments about your list,&#8221; he got an awesomely, if predictably, wide range of reactions. At one extreme were minimalist responses, such as J.D. McClatchy&#8217;s list of three:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Virgil, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Aeneid<br> 
The American Heritage Dictionary<br> 
</i>William Shakespeare<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>followed by a five-paragraph essay that begins &#8220;<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Aeneid </i>is undoubtedly the greatest poem ever written&#8230;.&#8221; Only two other contributors mention Virgil on their lists at all. Clark Coolidge tries the opposite approach to minimalism, citing 16 books, twelve of whose authors were in Donald Allen&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The New American Poetry </i>and the other four (William Carlos Williams, Bill Berkson, Ted Berrigan, Joe Ceravolo) of whom would have been included in the Allen had they only been a little older or a little younger. Coolidge is marvelously specific as to which publication proved &#8220;essential,&#8221; noting that the version of Jack Kerouac&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Old Angel Midnight </i>he has in mind is the selection of &#8220;the first 49 sections as printed in <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Big Table </i>magazine, no. 1, 1959.&#8221; Coolidge is the only contributor to the first volume of </span><st1:City><st1:place><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Davis</span></st1:place></st1:City><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&#8217; <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Poet&#8217;s Bookshelf </i>to list Ray <span class=SpellE>Bremser</span>, let alone <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Drive Suite. </i><o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>I was given a copy of Ray&#8217;s typescript by <span class=SpellE>Buell</span> <span class=SpellE>Neidlinger</span>, Cecil Taylor&#8217;s bass player in the fifties, in 1961.<o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>But Coolidge&#8217;s entire discussion beyond the specificity of his list is extremely brief:<o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>The publication dates are, unless otherwise indicated, also the years of first possession.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>I do not intend this list as any sort of &#8220;canon.&#8221; This is the contemporary American poetry that most excited me as I began to seriously attempt the art.<o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>As essays go, this is twice the length of Elizabeth Spires&#8217; contribution:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>These are authors and books that I greatly admire, and that I have been influenced by, but that seem to me &#8220;overlooked.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Her list contains seven poets, including Josephine Jacobsen, A. R. Ammons, John Berryman, Elizabeth <span class=SpellE>Coatsworth</span>, May Swenson, William Meredith and Gwen Harwood. Considering that I have never even <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>heard of </i>two of her choices, I wish she&#8217;d expanded somewhat on what it is about them that makes them, for her, special. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Some contributions are eye opening. Thom Gunn lists no </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceType><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>School</span></st1:PlaceType><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> of </span><st1:PlaceName><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Quietude</span></st1:PlaceName></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> poets whatsoever, choosing instead:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>William Shakespeare<br>
John Donne<br>
Charles Baudelaire<br>
William Carlos Williams<br>
Basil Bunting, <span class=SpellE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Briggflatts</i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> and Other Poems<o:p></o:p></i></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Another poet who for all purposes chooses no </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceType><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>School</span></st1:PlaceType><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> of </span><st1:PlaceName><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Quietude</span></st1:PlaceName></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> poets is Franz Wright, at least unless you count Hart Crane or Theodore Roethke among such &#8211; both special cases who suggest the limits of that designation. Seven contributors list James Wright as a primary influence; son Franz is not among them. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Here is Fanny Howe&#8217;s contribution, in its entirety:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Years ago Edward Dahlberg gave me a list of ten book that I was allowed to read, all the rest being trash. Some of the trash included Melville, the <span class=SpellE>Brontës</span>, Thomas Hardy, Dickinson, Yeats, Rilke and Joyce. These writers have populated my bookshelves for decades. Dahlberg would have been repelled by anthologies that I own: Jerome Rothenberg&#8217;s </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>America</span></i></st1:place></st1:country-region><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>: A Prophecy, The Negro Caravan, </span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>edited by Sterling Brown, Donald Allen&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The New American Poetry, Moving Borders, </i>edited by Mary Margaret Sloan, and <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Early Celtic Poetry. </i>He despised almost all fiction, and my large collection of contemporary fiction, which includes many friends and world poets, he would have called &#8220;an utter waste of time.&#8221; I will not provide his approved list here. But I will say that Dahlberg&#8217;s own autobiography, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Because I Was Flesh, </i>stays with me as an object and a model of enlightened prose literature. What would he make of that?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span class=GramE><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>At the other extreme, Clayton Eshleman lists &#8220;Nine Fire Sources,&#8221; just four of which are books of poems.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> The others include &#8220;Tea for Two&#8221; by Bud Powell, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Origin </i>magazine, the paintings of <span class=SpellE>Cha&#970;m</span> Soutine, Wilhelm Reich&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Function of the Orgasm </i>and Mikhail <span class=SpellE>Bakhtin&#8217;s</span> <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Rabelais and His World. </i>Eshleman then writes twelve pages of commentary on these nine sources, making his contribution something akin to The Education of Clayton Eshleman. Tho his choices won&#8217;t be surprising to any of his readers, his discussion is the most detailed in the volume &amp; thereby the most illuminating.<o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a href="http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac_pages/ewatten/posts/post36.html"><span style='color:black'>Barrett Watten&#8217;s draft of a response</span></a> for a future edition of <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Poet&#8217;s Bookshelf </i>on his website at </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Wayne</span></st1:PlaceName><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span><st1:PlaceName><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>State</span></st1:PlaceName></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> is in the same general vein as Eshleman. One value for me here is that it is not all just poetry &#8211; Watten, like Eshleman, includes music, art and theoretical writing. And Watten goes into greater depth, offering twelve categories and suggesting multiple possibilities for each, with some brief comments on each group. Beyond this, I have my own personal stake in Watten&#8217;s influences &#8211; Barrett is clearly one of the individuals who <span class=GramE>has</span> had the greatest influence on my own life and work. Along with Rae Armantrout &amp; Robert Grenier, he has had more impact on how I think about poetry &amp; literature generally than just about anyone else. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>With the exception of a category Watten labels &#8220;Great Books&#8221; (four pre-20<sup>th</sup> century authors, plus the German novelists Alfred <span class=SpellE>Döblin</span> &amp; W. G. Sebald) which Watten posits last, literally on the far side of theory, film and the visual arts, his literary selections are grouped together in six clusters at the start of his piece:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Modernists</span></st1:PlaceName><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
 </span><st1:PlaceName><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Postmoderns</span></st1:PlaceName><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>  </span><st1:PlaceName><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Proto-Language</span></st1:PlaceName><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
 </span><st1:PlaceName><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Language</span></st1:PlaceName><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span><st1:PlaceName><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Writing</span></st1:PlaceName><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
 </span><st1:PlaceName><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hybrid</span></st1:PlaceName><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span><st1:PlaceName><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Texts</span></st1:PlaceName><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
</span><st1:PlaceName><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>New York</span></st1:PlaceName><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span><st1:PlaceType><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>School</span></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The modernists are predictable precisely because disputes over that generation, at least with regards to English language literature, appear to have been settled once Stein &#8211; who was almost entirely ignored in the 1950s &amp; &#8216;60s &#8211; was returned to a central role: Joyce, <span class=SpellE>Woolf</span>, Stein, Pound, Williams, McKay, with the text selected from this group being <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Spring &amp; All. </i>That book was one of two by Williams on my own list of 12 in the first volume of this series&#185; so this makes complete sense to me. My own list for this category would see Faulkner in place of <span class=SpellE>Woolf</span> or McKay, and possibly Hart Crane as well. But my real sense is that the deeper question here is the exclusivity of Watten&#8217;s focus on English-language modernism. I would almost certainly include Vladimir <span class=SpellE>Maykofsky</span> &amp; Velimir Khlebnikov. I know there are people who would argue for Stevens or even Eliot, but I&#8217;d have to put <span class=SpellE>Woolf</span> &amp; McKay back in, as well as a host of other writers (Brecht, Riding, Hughes, <span class=SpellE>Hikmet</span>, Cavafy, Borges, Kafka), before I&#8217;d get to Stevens. The list is a whole lot longer before I would reach Eliot. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The structure of Watten&#8217;s next five categories is worth thinking about, because it begins with one grouping, the postmoderns, who basically represent the Objectivists plus every kind of New American Poetry (NAP) other than the </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>New York</span></st1:PlaceName><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span><st1:PlaceType><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>School</span></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>, and ends with the NY School after proceeding through three groupings more of contemporary writers: Proto-Language, Language Writing &amp; Hybrid Texts. The idea of breaking the New American Poetry into a binary strikes me as emotionally &#8220;right&#8221; in that I think most poets of my own generation tended to focus on just one of the <span class=SpellE>NAP&#8217;s</span> different possibilities &#8211; New York School, Projectivist (<span class=SpellE>a.k.a</span> Black Mountain), Beat, the Spicer Circle or New Western/Zen Cowboy&#178; &#8211; grouping whatever was outside of one&#8217;s focus more or less as a friendly-but-less-interesting Other. My own focus differs from Watten &#8211; if I had to reduce it to two groups, it would be Projectivist &amp; Other, with a lot of the </span><st1:Street><st1:address><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Spicer Circle</span></st1:address></st1:Street> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>foregrounded in the latter. The incorporation of the Objectivists into this model makes a lot of sense, even if they were writing somewhat cohesively two decades before the NAP, since their books didn&#8217;t start becoming widely available until the 1960s, actually after most of the other NAP formations. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Watten&#8217;s own Other, his &#8220;postmoderns,&#8221; turns out to be the three horsemen of the Projectivist movement &#8211; Olson, Duncan &amp; Creeley &#8211; plus sort of one each of the other non-NY schools: Zukofsky (Objectivism), Ginsberg (Beat) &amp; Joanne Kyger (both Spicer &amp; the Zen Cowboy clusters). The book he highlights as key here is Creeley&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Pieces,</i> also one of the <span class=SpellE>twelves</span> volumes I had on my list in the first volume<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>. </i>Watten gets the </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>New  York</span></st1:PlaceName><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span><st1:PlaceType><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>School</span></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> right also in including Koch for <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>When the Sun Tries to Go On </i>and recognizing &#8220;</span><st1:Street><st1:address><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Second Avenue</span></st1:address></st1:Street><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&#8221; as Frank O&#8217;Hara&#8217;s crowning achievement. I don&#8217;t share his enthusiasm for Ashbery&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Double Dream of Spring, </i>at least not when compared against <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Three Poems </i>or <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Rivers and Mountains </i>or even <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Vermont Notebook </i>or <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Flow Chart. </i>And while there is <span class=GramE>a rightness</span> in including Mayer &amp; Brainard in this grouping, I couldn&#8217;t personally imagine a </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>New York</span></st1:PlaceName><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span><st1:PlaceType><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>School</span></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> cluster without David Shapiro or Joe Ceravolo. Among the works Watten lists, Ted Berrigan&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Sonnets </i>makes sense as the volume highlighted. But I&#8217;d personally have picked <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Three Poems</i> instead.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Ashbery shows up again in one of the three groupings that tend to be more contemporary, one of two authors to turn up in two clusters, the other being Clark Coolidge (who also is included under &#8220;new music/jazz&#8221; for his collection <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Sound as Thought</i>). Both Coolidge &amp; Ashbery turn up in the Proto Language. The whole concept of proto language &#8211; the idea, as I understand it, of writing that &#8220;arrived at&#8221; language poetry without necessarily meaning to get there, which includes <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Tennis Court Oath, </i>Coolidge&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Maintains, </i>Larry Eigner&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Another Time in Fragments, </i>Hannah Weiner&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Clairvoyant Journal, </i>Robert Grenier&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Sentences </i>and Rae Armantrout&#8217;s first book, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Extremities</i> &#8211; is interesting to contemplate. It certainly is the case that there are a number of people &#8211; Michael Palmer, Bernadette Mayer, Jackson Mac Low, Ted Greenwald, as well as the ones Watten lists &#8211; who either have been uncomfortable with any association with langpo, so-called, or whom others have felt were &#8220;roped in&#8221; just to lend the phenomenon some legitimacy. But just as, in the 1950s, Denise Levertov had virtually nothing in common with the &#8220;Beat&#8221; writers so many of the New American Poets initially were typed as, any literary movement, if it has any force, any serious social as well as aesthetic meaning, tends to incorporate any number of such &#8220;border cases.&#8221; Is John <span class=SpellE>Clellon</span> Holmes a Beat novelist? F. T. Prince a &#8220;</span><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>New  York</span></st1:PlaceName><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span><st1:PlaceType><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>School</span></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&#8221; poet? What about <a href="http://www.uwm.edu/Library/special/exhibits/milpoets/koethe1.htm"><span style='color:black'>John <span class=SpellE>Koethe</span></span></a>? What about Tom Clark, who spent his years as poetry editor of the <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Paris Review </i>first in  </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>England</span></st1:place></st1:country-region><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>, then in the Bay Area? Why isn&#8217;t Aram Saroyan a langpo, at least for his minimalist works? Once you get going, questions like this become rather endless, and indeed one of their downsides is that they can enable the construction of <span class=SpellE>pseudogroups</span> like M. L. <span class=SpellE>Rosethal&#8217;s</span> confessional poets, a tendency that was alleged to include <span class=GramE>both Anne</span> Sexton &amp; Allen Ginsberg, Robert Lowell &amp; Gregory Corso. As a concept, confessionalism was sillier even than the idea of a San Francisco Renaissance, but at least the latter seems to have been originally conceived in jest. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>So I like the concept of Proto Language, simply because it acknowledges the complexity of categories per se, tho I don&#8217;t draw the Venn diagrams of poetry in the same way as Barrett &#8211; I don&#8217;t see anything &#8220;proto&#8221; about Armantrout, Grenier or Weiner, tho I could probably be persuaded about it with regards to Coolidge, and the likes of a Palmer or Mayer strike me as a no-brainer for this category. I&#8217;m persuaded, for example, that a purely formal definition of language writing, or for that matter any literary tendency, is both ahistorical as well as apolitical. That is why, for example, Rae Armantrout strikes me as a canonic example of language writing, whereas Peter Ganick &amp; Sheila Murphy seem entirely outside the phenomenon. It&#8217;s not a question of the value of the writing any of the three, only one of historical &amp; social context &#8211; and not being a New Critic, I do think those enter in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>But a second question might be if one were to break contemporary poetry into just three possible tendencies to list as &#8220;most formative,&#8221; are these the ones you would pick? I realize, of course, that Watten wasn&#8217;t asked to account for the whole of poetry, only what was personally important to/for him. There&#8217;s no need for him to identify his &#8220;most influential </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceType><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>School</span></st1:PlaceType><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> of </span><st1:PlaceName><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Quietude</span></st1:PlaceName></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&#8221; poets. If I were to try to replicate this phenomenon for myself, I would obviously include langpo, a second category for writers whom I think of as simpatico, but ultimately doing something else &#8211; Bev Dahlen, Rachel Blau DuPlessis, Leslie Scalapino, C.D. Wright, Craig Watson, Elizabeth Willis, Rod Smith, Jennifer Moxley, Lisa Jarnot, Forrest Gander, Joseph Massey &amp; Graham Foust would all be on that list. But I would also have to have a third list just for writing the longpoem, again with Bev Dahlen &amp; Rachel Blau DuPlessis, but also Frank Stanford, Ronald Johnson, Ted Enslin, Robert Kelly (especially for <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Axon Dendron Tree</i>), bpNichol, Basil Bunting, even Hart Crane &amp; Donald <span class=SpellE>Finkel</span>. Not to mention Wordsworth, Blake, Whitman, Pound, Zukofsky, Olson &amp; Duncan. <o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>But I would also have to add another category for more or less contemporary foreign writing in translation. For me, that is a list that would begin with Francis Ponge (maybe even St.-John Perse &amp; Victor Segalen), would include Ivan Zhdanov, Arkadii Dragomoshchenko, Alexei <span class=SpellE>Parschikov</span> &amp; Nina <span class=SpellE>Iskrenko</span>. This would need to be paired with English-language poetry from outside the  </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>U.S.</span></st1:place></st1:country-region><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>, starting with Steve McCaffery &amp; Tom Raworth, but extending out for many, many names beyond that. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>And while I like Watten&#8217;s concept here of the hybrid text &#8211; I can see how that makes sense for Barry and his own writing &#8211; I think my own experience would be to divide that <span class=SpellE>idean</span> into one category for poet&#8217;s fiction, starting with Kerouac&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Visions of Cody </i>and <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>This Railroad Earth, </i>lots of Fielding Dawson, as well as Acker, Sorrentino, Leslie Dick, Nicole Brossard, while putting the likes of Harryman &amp; Benson back into langpo proper. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>A lot of this has to do with mental maps &amp;, as always, that is a concept that turns me back to the questionnaire Jack Spicer used for entrance into his Magic Workshop at the San Francisco Public Library fifty years ago, where he asked respondents to pick one of two templates for a map of literary influences &#8211; one vaguely genealogical, the other looking like clusters of galaxies in the night sky. Pick one and fill it in with names. My own doesn&#8217;t look like anything Spicer might have recognized, but it&#8217;s also interesting to see how different the map is from somebody of my own generation &amp; cohort like Watten. Both Watten & Spicer, it is worth noting, made my own list of 12 books.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&#185; The other being <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Desert Music, </i>the volume that literally was my introduction to the pleasures of contemporary poetry.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&#178; This isn&#8217;t the breakdown according to Donald Allen, but what really existed. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a href="http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/mirrors/ronsilliman.blogspot.com/search%3Fq%3D%2522peter%2Bdavis%2522"><span style='color:black'>Peter Davis</span></a> must be in the process of gathering together a second volume of his anthology, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://www.bsu.edu/classes/koontz/barnwood/indbks/davis.htm"><span style='color:black'>Poet&#8217;s Bookshelf</span></a>, </i>collecting the lists of a new set of writers as to the ten or so books that most were or are &#8220;most &#8216;essential&#8217; to you, as a poet,&#8221;<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> </i>since <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_Watten"><span style='color:black'>Barrett Watten</span></a>, not one of the 81 contributors in the first volume, has been asked to prepare a <a href="http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac_pages/ewatten/posts/post36.html"><span style='color:black'>similar list</span></a>. <a href="http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac_pages/ewatten/"><span  style='color:black'>Barry</span></a> has responded with great gusto &amp; offers a list not just of ten books, but rather a 15 or 16 works in twelve different categories that proved &#8220;most formative&#8221; for him. Even the categories chosen deserve a look-see:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Modernists<br> 
Postmoderns<br>
Proto-Language<br>
Language Writing<br>
Hybrid Texts<br>
New York School<br>
Word/Image<br>
New Music/Jazz<br>
Literary Theory<br>
Cultural Theory<br>
Film<br>
Great Books<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>For each of these categories, Watten offers a half dozen or so key works, highlighting one or two in boldface that are the ones he would ultimately list &#8211; &#8220;had these works not existed, all would be otherwise,&#8221; he writes.&#185; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I certainly understand the impulse to expand beyond just a blank list of individual volumes of poetry. <span class=GramE>My own selection in volume one contained 12 items&#178;, just six of which were individual volumes of verse in any usual sense.</span> One was a volume, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Spring &amp; <span class=GramE>All, <span style='font-style:normal'>that</span></span></i> contains both poetry &amp; critical writing &#8211; it is in fact Watten&#8217;s selection under Modernists. Another was the Allen anthology. A third was a &#8220;box&#8221; of poems, rather than a book, Robert Grenier&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://www.whalecloth.org/grenier/sentences_.htm"><span style='color:black'>Sentences</span></a>. </i>(Watten lists it as one of his alternates under &#8220;Proto Language.&#8221;) One was a novel &#8211; Kathy Acker&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Childlike Life of the Black Tarantula </i>(Watten lists a different Acker novel as an alternate under his &#8220;Hybrid Texts&#8221; category). One was a book of theory by a poet &#8211; Charles Olson&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Proprioception </i>&#8211; and one a book of political theory &#8211; Henri Lefebvre&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Dialectical Materialism </i>from the old Cape/Grossman series that included such classics as Olson&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Mayan Letters </i>and Louis Zukofsky&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>&#8220;A&#8221; 22 and 23 </i>(one of my six &#8220;regular books&#8221; of poetry). <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Watten carries this contextualizing impulse much further than I did. Where I listed one volume by Olson that could be called theory (<i>Proprioception</i>), another by Lefebvre, two of Watten&#8217;s twelve categories are theoretical, containing a total of 14 books, none of them by poets unless you count Roman <span class=SpellE>Jakobson&#8217;s</span> flirtation with the craft during his days as a student in<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>Russia. I have to admit that <span class=SpellE>Jakobson&#8217;s</span> <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Six Lectures on Sound and Meaning </i>as well as Victor <span class=SpellE>Shklovsky&#8217;s</span> <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Third Factory </i>would be on any expanded list of literary theory texts I chose as well, tho I&#8217;m surprised, I guess, not to see Roland Barthes&#8217; <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Writing Degree Zero, </i>anything by Olson or Creeley&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>A Quick Graph. </i>In fact, my personal list might well include Watten&#8217;s own <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://www.upne.com/0-8195-6609-8.html"><span style='color:black'>The Constructivist Moment</span></a>, </i>Bob Perelman&#8217;s anthology of talks that appeared as a double issue of <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Hills, </i>Perelman&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://press.princeton.edu/titles/5854.html"><span style='color:black'>The Marginalization of Poetry</span></a> </i>or Hugh Kenner&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Pound Era, </i>an instance of biography of critique that is one of the great books in its own right. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>What Watten calls Cultural Theory I would be more inclined to characterize as social or even political theory. And while I like all of the books Watten lists, I don&#8217;t think any of them would be on my own personal roster &#8211; this is probably the one area where we have the least overlap (as in &#8220;none&#8221; tho I don&#8217;t actually believe that our thinking is that far apart). For one thing, I couldn&#8217;t imagine the category, at least as category, not only without Lefebvre, but without Marx, for whom I would have picked several items from among <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Eighteenth <span class=SpellE>Brumaire</span>, The German Ideology, The Communist Manifesto, </i>the first volume of <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Capital </i>and possibly even the <span class=SpellE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Grundrisse</i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>. </i>I certainly would have had <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Illuminations </i>by Walter Benjamin, the book that made him a cult figure in the </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>U.S.</span></st1:place></st1:country-region><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>, and Sartre&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>What <span class=GramE>is Literature</span>? </i>(necessary for Barthes&#8217; <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Writing Degree Zero</i><span class=GramE>)<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> ,</i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> </i>perhaps even <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Search for a Method </i>or <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Critique of Dialectical Reason. </i>Would I have included Louis Althusser or Antonio Gramsci? I certainly would have entertained the idea. But I also would have stretched out in some other areas not covered by Watten&#8217;s list here &#8211; such as Wittgenstein&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus </i>and <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Philosophical Investigations, </i>or Claude Levi-Strauss&#8217; magisterial memoir, <span class=SpellE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Tristes</i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> <span class=SpellE>Tropiques</span>. <o:p></o:p></i></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Another category that is interesting to think about is New Music/Jazz, for which Watten lists both recordings (<span class=SpellE>Anthiel</span>, <span class=SpellE>Webern</span>, Braxton, Cage, James Brown, Steve Reich, Cecil Taylor, <span class=GramE>Steve</span> Lacy) and books (by Clark Coolidge &amp; Ted Pearson). Here we have some interesting overlap &#8211; I would almost certainly include Braxton&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>For Alto </i>and Steve Reich&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Drumming </i>&#8211; Barry &amp; I heard the West Coast premier of the work at the San Francisco Asian Art Museum together in 1974 (and it was formative enough for me that I began writing <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Ketjak </i>within a fortnight). But I might include Reich&#8217;s earlier tape works as well, along with some work by the ROVA Saxophone Quartet (including the &#8220;<span class=SpellE>unrecordable</span>&#8221; performance piece <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Hive</i>), some different Lacy (<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Sidelines </i>with Michael Smith on piano), and just maybe some folk and blues music, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Basement Tapes </i>by Bob Dylan and The Band, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Bringing It All Back Home </i>and <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Blonde on Blonde </i>by Dylan, the recordings of Robert Johnson, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Drum Hat Buddha </i>by Dave Carter &amp; Tracy <span class=SpellE>Grammer</span> and the jug band blues of Sleepy John Estes, Yank Rachel &amp; <span class=SpellE>Hammie</span> Nixon. There were also some live jam sessions at Pangaea on Bernal Heights in San Francisco involving members of ROVA, John Grundfest, Greg Goodman, Henry Kaiser &amp; others that proved formative, for me at least (ensconced as I was on the bleacher seating there, writing rapidly into a notebook) tho nobody thought to have a tape running. Another obvious piece for me would be an item of ersatz world music, the Balinese oral piece called <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Ketjak, </i>which was cobbled together by Colin <span class=SpellE>McPhee</span> for the sake of tourists from pre-existing Balinese sources.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&#185; Full <span class=GramE>disclosure</span>: <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Ketjak </i>and <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Tjanting </i>are the works so chosen in boldface for language writing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&#178; Full disclosure (part 2): my selection included a volume of Watten&#8217;s: <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Plasma / <span class=SpellE>Paralleles</span> / &#8220;X&#8221;.<o:p></o:p></i></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The most exciting and satisfying anthology I&#8217;ve acquired in the past month is <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://www.crackedslabbooks.com/home.html"><span style='color:black'>The City Visible: Chicago Poetry for the New Century</span></a>, </i>edited by William Allegrezza &amp; Raymond Bianchi and published by their own <a href="http://www.crackedslabbooks.com/"><span style='color:black'>Cracked Slab Books</span></a>. It&#8217;s by no means a perfect anthology &#8211; indeed, it makes some of the same basic mistakes that I <a href="http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/mirrors/ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html"><span style='color:black'>excoriated</span></a> the editors of <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Saints of Hysteria </i>over &#8211; no index of contributors (which, frankly, even an acknowledgements page or <span class=SpellE>bionotes</span> section can accomplish), no visible theory of organization, some questionable calls concerning the book&#8217;s scope, even mixing in poetic statements with the poetry. Yet whereas <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Saints </i>very quickly collapses under the aggregate weight of bad decisions, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>City Visible </i>just sails on through. It not only is easily the best anthology I&#8217;ve ever seen that tried to capture the lively scene of the Second City, but it&#8217;s a worthy companion to Stephanie Young&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://www.spdbooks.org/Details.asp?BookID=097652113X"><span style='color:black'>Bay Poetics</span></a>, </i>which for my money is the gold standard in contemporary poetry anthologies, especially ones that offer a regional focus.&#185; Why does <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>City Visible </i>succeed where <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Hysteria</i> simply proves to be too-well named?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The answer is generosity. Where one is painfully aware that the editors of <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Hysteria </i>are constantly shuffling the deck in order to keep the reader from figuring out just how few cards they&#8217;re playing with, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>City Visible, </i>which &#8211; for its project &#8211; is positively anorectic at 250 pages (half the size of <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Bay Poetics</i>), repeatedly errs on the side of inclusion. Its 52 poets offer a very broad definition of what is </span><st1:City><st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Chicago</span></st1:place></st1:City><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> and innovative poetry, covering the suburbs all the way from </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Mill</span></st1:PlaceName><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span><st1:PlaceType><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Valley</span></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> to </span><st1:Street><st1:address><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Saint Marks  Place</span></st1:address></st1:Street><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>. There are poets here who live in Iowa City, Madison, Milwaukee, as well as writers whose connection to the city of Chicago is historical rather than current (Paul Hoover &amp; Maxine Chernoff on the West Coast, new Poetry Project Executive Director Stacy Szymaszek &#8211; a lifelong Milwaukee gal until she decided to take New York by storm &#8211; firmly planted in the East, Tim Yu in Toronto, Jesse <span class=SpellE>Seldess</span> all the way in Berlin&#178;). It&#8217;s not that there are no omissions &#8211; Christian <span class=SpellE>Wiman</span> &amp; the School of Quietude are altogether absent, as are the Slam poets for which the city is known &#8211; or even that there are no omissions that, in the context of this specific project, aren&#8217;t puzzling &amp; even egregious &#8211; Mary Margaret Sloan, Connie Deanovich, Karl Gartung if you buy the book&#8217;s geographic reach into </span><st1:State><st1:place><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Wisconsin</span></st1:place></st1:State><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> &#8211; it&#8217;s that you can see the editors throwing out as wide a net as they could envision. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>At just under five pages per poet, it turns out to be a better presentation overall than the 30 pages accorded each of 13 participants in the <span class=SpellE>Rankine</span> &amp; Sewell volume with its far broader scope precisely because <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>City Visible </i>offers so much more context. What jumps immediately at me is how very important the line is for so many of these poets, whether it&#8217;s the very long line of Jennifer <span class=SpellE>Scappetone</span>, the lush rhetorical line of Peter O&#8217;Leary, the variable stanzas &amp; gaps in lines of Ed Roberson, Szymaszek&#8217;s sense of the Olsonian, even William Fuller&#8217;s hyper-precise prose poems, or, to pick a very different example, this:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>I will fuck you up.<br>
Come back here motherfucker.<br>
<span class=GramE>You &#8216;bout to get served.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>This poem by Luis <span class=SpellE>Urrea</span> is, among its other virtues, a perfect haiku. <span class=SpellE>Urrea&#8217;s</span> fabulous ear for the vernacular is almost enough to make me love this form for the first time in decades. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>What&#8217;s interesting about this, for me at <span class=GramE>least,</span> is that the great knock against </span><st1:City><st1:place><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Chicago</span></st1:place></st1:City><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> verse amongst the New Americans was always that the language was so very flat, with examples cited invariably citing both Carl Sandburg &amp; Paul Carroll&#179;. It&#8217;s conceivable that Allegrezza &amp; Bianchi have shaded this book a little more in the direction of melopoetic craft than might really be warranted looking at the scene sociologically &#8211; you will note that their broad net didn&#8217;t manage to catch more experimental figures like Karl Young or <span class=SpellE>Miekal</span> And, &amp; that the works selected of Roberto Harrison, given a very generous sampling toward the very end of the book, are far from his most opaque or difficult pieces. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The City Visible </span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>does one thing that I generally don&#8217;t care for in anthologies, but which works here to give this book far more of a sense of order than, say, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Hysteria</i>: it uses photographs of the poets at the beginning of each selection. It&#8217;s not so much the quality of the photo &#8211; some, like Juliana <span class=SpellE>Spahr&#8217;s</span> snapshot of Jennifer <span class=SpellE>Scappettone</span>, don&#8217;t reproduce well at all in a thumbnail size on  the matte finish of your standard trade book paper &#8211; as it is the instant visual separation of one poet from the next. In a way, these miniature photos accomplish much of what a gray page separating out each contributor would have done, but without adding 50-plus pages to the project.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>This is especially important since Allegrezza &amp; Bianchi seem determined to make use of almost every inch of white space imaginable. When a contributor doesn&#8217;t use the three-quarters of a page given over to poetic statements &#8211; Michael O&#8217;Leary&#8217;s piece is one sentence long &#8211; the glare of unused paper is startling. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>There are a lot of poets here who are reasonably well known far beyond the West Coast of Lake Michigan &#8211; Eric <span class=SpellE>Elshtain</span>, Peter &amp; Michael O&#8217;Leary, William Fuller, Ed Roberson, Arielle Greenberg, Shin Yu <span class=SpellE>Pai</span>, Dan <span class=SpellE>Beachy</span>-Quick, Maxine Chernoff, Paul Hoover, Tim Yu, Laura Sims, Roberto Harrison, Stacy Szymaszek &#8211; as well as poets who were completely new to me, including <span class=SpellE>Srikanth</span> Reddy, Suzanne <span class=SpellE>Buffam</span>, Erica <span class=SpellE>Berheim</span>, <span class=SpellE>Garin</span> <span class=SpellE>Cychol</span>, Kristy <span class=SpellE>Odelius</span>, Simone <span class=SpellE>Muench</span>, Lea Graham, Michelle <span class=SpellE>Taransky</span>, Cecilia Pinto, <span class=SpellE>Johanny</span> Paz, <span class=SpellE>Ela</span> <span class=SpellE>Kotowska</span>, Jennifer <span class=SpellE>Karmin</span>. And a bunch in between, such as John Tipton or Mark <span class=SpellE>Tardi</span>, whose poetry is some of my favorite in this volume. Tipton &amp; <span class=SpellE>Tardi</span> are two poets I&#8217;ve been following for some time now, but it&#8217;s not clear to me that they&#8217;re nearly as widely known as they&#8217;re going to be in, say, another five years. This book should actually help in that process. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>What I wasn&#8217;t able to figure out, tho, is why <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>this </i>order of poets and not some other. It&#8217;s not alphabetical, nor by date of birth, two fairly traditional strategies for organizing collections like this. It doesn&#8217;t start off with Paul Hoover &amp; Maxine Chernoff, tho it is very clear that if this scene has parental figures in the way Olson functioned as one for </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Black</span></st1:PlaceName><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span><st1:PlaceType><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Mountain</span></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>, Paul &amp; Maxine are it. They are the only poets in this anthology who appeared as well in the last project of this kind, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>15 Chicago Poets, </i>published in 1976 and edited by Richard Friedman, Peter <span class=SpellE>Kostakis</span> &amp; Darlene Pearlstein. Hoover &amp; Chernoff been such important influences for so many years that the scene &#8211; especially as outlined here &#8211; is just unimaginable without them. But they&#8217;re buried deep in the middle of this book &amp; not side by side. Maxine makes a point of noting that she moved to </span><st1:State><st1:place><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>California</span></st1:place></st1:State><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> in 1994. Indeed, I wonder if the necessity &#8211; which I certainly agree with &#8211; of including Hoover &amp; Chernoff didn&#8217;t in turn dictate the broader geographical strategy of the book.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>What I wish, in a way, is that Bianchi &amp; Allegrezza had done for <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>City Visible </i>&#8211; beyond, say, just having more pages to work with, or a title that was more accurate, such as <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>From Chicago Out </i>(which would capture the role the city really has in this volume) &#8211; is to organize the contents more akin to the way Don Allen gathered his 44 poets in 1960 into five suites. Even if they had, say, gathered the departed into one group, perhaps Wisconsin poets into a second, Iowa into a third, and then divided the true current Chicagoans into one set of poets more aligned with formal poetry institutions, and a second grouping of those whose day jobs are not thus  institutionalized around writing, it would have made for a more powerful reading. That&#8217;s an opportunity that Stephanie Young missed as well in <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Bay Poetics </i>but I think I would argue that that minute you go beyond some minimum number of contributors &#8211; say thirty &#8211; some kind of ordering device or strategy is utterly necessary. The order here is not only NOT better than alphabetical, it&#8217;s not as effective as an alphabetical because there&#8217;s no perceptible rationale. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Similarly, I wish the editors had taken maybe ten more pages to discuss their process, their inclusions &amp; exclusions, their theory of the order and anything which might be useful to contextualize the project further. (Did any poets refuse to participate, for example, the way </span><st1:City><st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Duncan</span></st1:place></st1:City><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> declined to participate in <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>A Controversy of Poets </i>or as I did <span class=SpellE>Messerli&#8217;s</span> <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Language Poetries?)</i> But, again, that generosity thing appears to require that the editors  give over their pages to poetry to the maximum degree possible. Ten extra pages might have meant cutting two poets &amp; it&#8217;s very evident which side of that question Allegrezza &amp; Bianchi are on. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In all, this is an exciting, eye opening &amp; absolutely useful volume. Its faults, like <a href="http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/mirrors/ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/donald-allen-theres-no-such-thing-as.html"><span style='color:black'>those of the Allen anthology</span></a>, have more to do with the limits of human beings and economics &amp; how this book got here in this form than they do with anything that might be &#8220;wrong&#8221; with the result. One question I would be fascinated to have answered, for example, is whether the editors approached any larger press &#8211; the </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceType><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>University</span></st1:PlaceType><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> of </span><st1:PlaceName><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Chicago  Press</span></st1:PlaceName></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> should die of envy for what Cracked Slab Books has accomplished in its own back yard, for example &#8211; that could have guaranteed a more ideal page count (say closer to 500 than 250). In other words, is this volume an act of diffidence and defiance or a further sign that </span><st1:City><st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Chicago</span></st1:place></st1:City><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> continues to be the Rodney Dangerfield of writing scenes? In either case, this volume demonstrates just how completely the community has evolved in the three decades since <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>15 </i></span><st1:City><st1:place><i   style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Chicago</span></i></st1:place></st1:City><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Poets. </span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&#185; In addition to <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Bay Poetics </i>and the numerous anthologies of the </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><span   style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>New  York</span></st1:PlaceName><span  style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span><st1:PlaceType><span   style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>School</span></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>, one regional collection that should have gotten much broader attention at the time it was published was Bill Mohr&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://tinyurl.com/ywy8pf"><span style='color:black'>Poetry Loves Poetry</span></a>, </i>a 1985 gathering of the </span><st1:City><st1:place><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Los Angeles</span></st1:place></st1:City><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> scene. Two other volumes worth noting are Bill Lavender&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://www.uapress.ua.edu/NewSearch2.cfm?id=132298"><span style='color:black'>Another South</span></a>, </i>and rob <span class=SpellE>mclennan&#8217;s</span> <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://www.chaudierebooks.com/decalogue.html"><span style='color:black'>Decalogue: Ten Ottawa Poets</span></a>. </i>The strangest regional anthology would seem to be <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://www.heydaybooks.com/public/books/asp.html"><span style='color:black'>The Addison Street Anthology: Berkeley&#8217;s Poetry Walk</span></a>, </i>edited by Robert Hass and Jessica Fisher, which documents the plaques accorded to </span><st1:City><st1:place><span   style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Berkeley</span></st1:place></st1:City><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> poets in the city&#8217;s theater district. Like Hoover &amp; Chernoff in <i>The City Visible</i>, I was included in this anthology in spite of having moved away several years before. On the other hand, I&#8217;m just down the block from Shakespeare, Ben <span class=SpellE>Jonson</span> &amp; Bertie Brecht. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&#178; The risk in this approach, it seems to me, is that it so broadens your possible roster of contributors that it quickly becomes almost meaningless. For example, David Melnick &amp; Tom Mandel both  attended the University of Chicago, Andrew Levy taught at the Illinois Institute of Technology for years, Tina Darragh &amp; P. Inman went to library school in Illinois, Jim <span class=SpellE>Liddy&#8217;s</span> been practicing a poetics that is one part Jack Spicer, one part Paddy <span class=SpellE>Kavanagh</span> in Milwaukee for decades, Morgan Gibson was once the archetypal Milwaukee poet. Indiana (Eshleman, Hirschman, <span class=SpellE>Fredman</span>) &amp; Michigan (Eshleman again, Wakoski, Watten, Harryman, George &amp; Chris <span class=SpellE>Tysh</span>, <span class=SpellE>Notambu</span>, Pearson when he was there, even John Latta in Ann Arbor) all get left out of this mental map. I&#8217;m not suggesting, actually, that any of these  poets need to be here &#8211; certainly not the way I would argue for Deanovich, Gartung or Sloan &#8211; but that the book&#8217;s methodology opens the door to such questions.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&#179; And just as invariably <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>not </i>mentioning Gwendolyn Brooks or, to employ  this expanded geographic model, Lorine <span class=GramE>Niedecker.</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In 1965, one of the most interesting and innovative anthologies of American poetry ever published appeared as, of all things, a Doubleday Anchor Original, your basic mass market paperback. <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://tinyurl.com/3exdkx"><span style='color:black'>A Controversy of Poets</span></a>,</i> co-edited by Paris Leary and Robert Kelly, contained the writing of 59 then-active American poets, roughly half of them members of the School of Quietude (SoQ)<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>(tho they didn&#8217;t call it that at the time), the rest participants in the New American Poetry (NAP). The 60<sup>th</sup> poet was supposed to have been Robert Duncan, the one writer actually selected by both editors, but he refused to appear in the same pages as members of the SoQ, since he felt their work demeaned the craft of poetry. <o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The selections were presented in alphabetical order, a sequence that clearly favored the New Americans, beginning as they did with Ashbery, Blackburn &amp; Blaser. Kelly also expanded his definition of the NAP beyond the range used by Donald Allen in his anthology, including poets who had come to the fore in the five years between books, such as Jackson Mac Low, Thomas Merton, Joel Oppenheimer, Rochelle Owens, Gerrit Lansing and Theodore Enslin, as well as reaching back for one poet who was just then returning literally from oblivion, Louis Zukofsky. Zukofsky gave Kelly the last word in the book as well. <o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In the 42 years since, some of the SoQ poets, such as Leary himself, Gray Burr, Ralph Pomeroy, John Woods &amp; Melvin Walker La <span class=SpellE>Follette</span> have disappeared almost entirely from view, while others (including James Dickey and Donald <span class=SpellE>Finkel</span>) really have acquired the status of neglectorinos, good, even important writers who have undeservedly been forgotten. Rich kid formalist Frederick Seidel, long before he&#8217;d become known principally as a collector of expensive motorcycles, turns up writing such breathless verse as &#8220;My slippers / Exhale <span class=SpellE>lamé</span>.&#8221; &#8220;</span><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><span   class=SpellE><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Dayley</span></span></st1:PlaceName><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span><st1:PlaceType><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Island</span></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>,&#8221; from which those immortal words are quoted, is a dramatic monolog in the voice of an old man, tho Seidel (who&#8217;d had a book from Random House two years earlier) was all of 29 &#8211; getting his T.S. Eliot chops down must have seemed important in 1965. Reading this poem in the same volume as Zukofsky&#8217;s brilliant <span class=SpellE>smackdown</span> of Eliot, &#8220;Poem beginning &#8216;The&#8217;&#8221; (written before Seidel was born) is one of the real joys of this book. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On the New American side, only Georgia Lee <span class=SpellE>McElhaney</span> disappeared from sight, abandoning poetry for politics for many years before re-emerging fairly recently in Shepherdstown, West Virginia where she runs the Bookend Poets writing group. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Long before Gerald Graff began to chant &#8220;teach the conflicts,&#8221; Kelly &amp; Leary were content to put up their favorite poets side by side &amp; let people see what the differences might be directly. It made for passionate reading. And it didn&#8217;t hurt that at that time, this  was the <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>only </i>readily available source of work by either Mac Low or Zukofsky, or for that matter any of Jack Spicer&#8217;s mature poetry or Frank O&#8217;Hara&#8217;s &#8220;<span class=SpellE>Biotherm</span>,&#8221; printed in what looks like 8-point type, but may even be 7. This was &#8211; still is &#8211; an exciting book. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>What brings <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>A Controversy of Poets </i>to mind is a volume that seems to share some of the same adventurous spirit, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://www.upne.com/0-8195-6727-2.html"><span style='color:black'>American Poets in the 21<sup>st</sup> Century: The New Poetics</span></a>, </i>edited by Claudia <span class=SpellE>Rankine</span> &amp; Lisa Sewell. This book is 30 percent shorter than <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Controversy, </i>400 pages to its 570, and its poets far fewer &#8211; 13 instead of 59 &#8211; but what one sees here is the clash of aesthetics between the two American literary traditions, with Mark Levine, D.A. Powell &amp; Karen Volkman at one extreme, Kenny Goldsmith at the other. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>But where <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Controversy </i>really sets up a dividing line and speaks openly of the differences, this volume just as consciously tries to move beyond the Either / Or phenomenon that has dominated American verse since at least the 1840s, presenting its authors instead as <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>particular but representative shadings along the continuum of contemporary poetry<o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>My own sense is that the spectrum model is ahistorical although it may represent <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>a desire among younger contemporary readers </i>who may well have been brought up in college reading both traditions &amp; just maybe think that this ongoing dispute is a tad stupid. On the other hand, I wouldn&#8217;t be shocked to discover that some SoQ readers think Lisa Sewell got snookered into fronting for a bunch of barbarians, since the move from one end to the other gets pretty post-avant very fast. In fact, it&#8217;s worth noting who is here &amp; in what order:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.5in;line-height:150%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Mark Levine<br>
Karen Volkman<br>
D.A. Powell<br>
Peter Gizzi<br>
Juliana Spahr<br>
Joshua Clover<br>
Kevin Young<br>
Tracie Morris<br>
Myung Mi Kim<br>
Stacy </span><st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Doris</span></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
Susan Wheeler<br>
Mark Nowak<br>
Kenneth Goldsmith<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Perhaps a strict version of the spectrum would be a little different &#8211; I&#8217;d probably put Kevin Young fourth, for example, and would have had Levine third &#8211; but it&#8217;s obvious that a lot of thought has gone into the context of each poet. Each poet is also given roughly 30 pages &#8211; indeed, the individual page counts are remarkably even, there&#8217;s nobody here positioned here the way Charles Olson was in <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The New American Poetry, </i>taking up 10 percent  of the main texts (out of 44 poets) &amp; 20 percent of the critical material. There is poetry, an essay about the poet, a poetic statement, plus a CD in which each of the 13 appear (in the same order as the text). This is a model that <span class=SpellE>Rankine</span> and Spahr followed in their earlier <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><a href="http://www.upne.com/0-8195-6546-6.html"><span style='color:black'>American Women Poets in the 21<sup>st</sup> Century</span></a>, </i>also from Wesleyan, although that volume divided up 420 pages among just ten contributors and had no CD. As a presentation, this is impeccable. Contrasted with the jumble that is <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Saints of Hysteria </i>&#8211; Powell and Wheeler are in both books &#8211; this is a powerful, intelligent production that makes me happy just to have it, even if &#8211; or even as &#8211; I don&#8217;t agree with all of its choices.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>For choice, I think, is one of the book&#8217;s two serious questions. If you had to reduce all of contemporary American poetry to just 13 individuals, even narrowing the list some with that &#8220;21<sup>st</sup> Century&#8221; frame (weeding out, presumably, us old farts who made our bones way back when) whom would you choose? Three or four of the names on the list here seem plausible to me, but I have a hard time &#8211; no, impossible, I find it impossible &#8211; envisioning a list that small that does <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>not </i>have Linh Dinh on it. And I will admit that I think that the obvious stars among the younger &#8220;mainstream&#8221; poets have to include Alice Jones &amp; Daisy Fried. I would have much sooner selected co-editor Lisa Sewell for one of the SoQ slots in this book than the folks she &amp; <span class=SpellE>Rankine</span> chose. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>But I think every reader is going to feel likewise, tho the names that may come up for them will differ. The minute I start thinking of who else I might select, I very quickly go way beyond 13 possibilities &#8211; I can get to over 100 in less than ten minutes without even thinking hard. There is a real issue here in presenting contemporary American poetry in so very few slices. You can&#8217;t even represent each major literary tendency and/or community with so few choices. Let alone make some kind of presentation of &#8220;representative shadings along the continuum.&#8221; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>This is where the other problem, which is representing a phenomenon that is never just about who&#8217;s the better poet, but also carries within itself all of the social history of American writing, including the 160-year-old conflict between the School of Quietude &amp; a broader, more experimental tradition &#8211; once they were called the Knickerbockers &amp; Young Americans &#8211; in any kind of intelligible &amp; useful form. <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>A Controversy of Poets </i>did a better job here for two reasons: it included more poets, which enabled both sides to show much greater diversity, and it didn&#8217;t superimpose what I suspect is a false model &#8211; &#8220;a continuum&#8221; &#8211; over something that is more complex. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Remember, when the New Americans were just getting started in the late 1940s, America was a nation of 150 million people, with an annual total of 8,000 book titles per year of all types and something under 200 publishing poets who were active enough to generate books. Today, the </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>United States</span></st1:place></st1:country-region><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> has twice as many people, but is now publishing, according to <span class=SpellE>Bowker</span>, over 290,000 book titles per year, of which some 4,000 titles alone are poetry. There must be somewhere between ten and twelve thousand <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>publishing </i>poets in the </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>U.S.</span></st1:place></st1:country-region><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> today in contrast with 200 fifty years ago. When Donald Allen presented <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The New American Poetry </i>in 1960, his 44 poets represented at least one-third and perhaps half of all the poets in the tradition he was trying to capture. To do the same today would require a book with several thousand contributors. In the 1940s, there was one publishing poet for every 750,000 Americans. Today, there is one for every 25,000.<o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>That is the origin of all &#8220;the culture is failing&#8221; predictions from one group of people who want, above all else, a predictable mass that they can control critically, using the same old tools &amp; devices as were used in 1950 or for that matter 1850. And it explains also why there should be so many more poets now even as poetry itself seems less and less of a &#8220;popular&#8221; activity. How an individual poet constructs an audience, let alone a career, is fundamentally different today. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>This is what <span class=SpellE>Rankine</span> &amp; Sewell are up against. Frankly there is no way to do this with just 13 poets. I would be totally impressed by an effort that tried to do so with 130 if it were half as intelligently put together as this volume. So I think the editors here have given themselves an impossible challenge. But what they have given us is something very good indeed. These are not necessarily the 13 poets you might want to enshrine, but if you find that you have a serious interest in any one of them, then <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>American Poets in the 21<sup>st</sup> Century </i>really is an indispensable book.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>A great idea badly executed can be much worse than a bad idea. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>My evidence for this assertion is Michael <span class=SpellE>Benedikt&#8217;s</span> anthology, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Prose Poem: An International Anthology, </i>published as a mass market paperback, a Laurel Original, in 1976. When I first saw the little blue book, I bought it instantly, thinking <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>At last! </i>But when I got to the French section and saw that there was no Victor Segalen, no St.-John Perse, no <span class=SpellE>Marcelin</span> <span class=SpellE>Pleynet</span>, no Jacques Roubaud, my heart sank. Then I got, not quite at the very end, to the American section, which includes only the following: <o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.5in;line-height:150%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Kenneth Patchen<br> 
Karl Shapiro<br>
David Ignatow<br>
Robert Bly<br>
James Wright<br>
W.S. Merwin<br>
Anne Sexton<br>
Russell Edson<br>
Michael <span class=SpellE>Benedikt</span><br>
Jack Anderson<br>
James Tate<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>No Gertrude Stein, no William Carlos Williams, no Robert Duncan, no Robert Creeley, no John Ashbery, no Ron Padgett, not one of the language poets. It was a debacle, a book that appeared to have been edited in the worst of faith, a deliberate falsification of the record. The British selection, containing only Peter <span class=SpellE>Redgrove</span> &amp; Cecil <span class=SpellE>Helman</span>, was, if anything, worse. I felt nauseated &amp; furious all at once. I realized two things almost instantly. One was that this volume, issued in a mass market trade format, was going to crowd out the marketplace for a truly comprehensive volume. The second was that a book this self-consciously false wasn&#8217;t going to do all that well. It would seem I was right on both counts. <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Prose Poem </i>appears never to have been reprinted &#8211; you can&#8217;t even find used copies on <a href="http://used.addall.com/"><span class=SpellE><span style='color:black'>AddAll</span></span></a> or <a href="http://www.booksprice.com/"><span class=SpellE><span  style='color:black'>BooksPrice</span></span></a>, perhaps because the trade format used such cheap materials that even my own copy has to be held together now with a rubber band, its pages so acidic they&#8217;re almost smoldering their way to the illegible. <o:p></o:p></span></p> 

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>And to this date, there has never been a comprehensive anthology of the form. This one little terrible book both crowded out &amp; poisoned the market. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Later, I did meet Michael <span class=SpellE>Benedikt</span> once and he wasn&#8217;t the cynical sharpie I&#8217;d envisioned from this project at all. If anything, he seemed a well-intentioned if somewhat bumbling sort of guy. I wondered later just how much of the disaster that was <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Prose Poem </i>was literally his lack of knowledge of the materials. Could he really not have known about Gertrude Stein&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Tender Buttons, </i>John Ashbery&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Three Poems, </i>William Carlos Williams&#8217; <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Kora in Hell, </i>or Robert Creeley&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Presences</i>? Or did he just lack the intellectual courage to step outside the confines of Robert <span  class=SpellE>Bly&#8217;s</span> infinitesimal notion of what constituted a prose poem? Was he an active agent of the </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceType><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>School</span></st1:PlaceType><span  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> of </span><st1:PlaceName><span   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Quietude</span></st1:PlaceName></st1:place><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&#8217;s compulsive distortion of the record &#8211; his anthology certainly was &#8211; or merely its victim? He&#8217;s gone now, so I&#8217;ll never know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I&#8217;d forgotten that whole deep sick-to-my-stomach feeling of a book that should be a great event but turns out just to be a mess until I acquired <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Saints of Hysteria: A Half-Century of Collaborative American Poetry, </i>co-edited by Denise <span class=SpellE>Duhamel</span>, Maureen Seaton &amp; David Trinidad, just released by Soft Skull Press. It&#8217;s a disaster, not on the scale of <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Prose Poem, </i>but a disaster nonetheless. If <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The Prose Poem </i>warrants an F, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Saints of Hysteria </i>is more of a D+ affair. It&#8217;s not a malevolent book, but more in the tradition of Doug <span class=SpellE>Messerli&#8217;s</span> <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Language Poetries </i>or Eliot Weinberger&#8217;s <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>American Poetry Since 1950: Innovators and Outsiders, </i>or, for that matter, Donald Allen&#8217;s attempt to &#8220;update&#8221; <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>The New American Poetry, The Postmoderns, </i>all of them examples of how you can make a bad book using only good poetry. That, for the most part, is the story here too. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Called by its publisher &#8220;first definitive collection of American collaborative poetry,&#8221; it&#8217;s anything but definitive. This volume is functionally incompetent as a historical record of the genre, and tho that may be the greatest of its sins, it&#8217;s not its biggest problem as   a book. The three editors missed large swaths of collaborative work, yes, particularly among the language poets, the Actualists and among contemporary writers, but the volume&#8217;s largest hurdle &#8211; the one that makes it essentially unreadable as a book and unusable as a classroom text &#8211; is that it&#8217;s presented incoherently. With over 200 poets spread out over less than 400 pages, there is no index of authors anywhere save for an alphabetical list that mercifully takes up the rear cover. Presenting the material in what the <span class=GramE>editors</span> claim is a &#8220;loose chronological order,&#8221; they&#8217;ve dated absolutely nothing. Allen Ginsberg turns up on page 3 alongside Neal <span class=SpellE>Cassady</span> &amp; Jack Kerouac, then not again until page  59 when he collaborates with Kenneth Koch, then on page 75 with Ron Padgett, then on page 102 when he and Bob Rosenthal are working with an entire MFA class from Brooklyn College, then literally on the next page where he turns up with <span class=SpellE>Lita</span> <span class=SpellE>Hornick</span> &amp; Peter <span class=SpellE>Orlovsky</span>. <span class=SpellE>Hornick</span> turns up again on the next page collaborating with Ron Padgett &#8211; it&#8217;s his first appearance since the Ginsberg <span class=SpellE>collab</span> &amp; fourth in the book overall. An author&#8217;s index <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>and </i>end notes after each text listing any other pages each author appears on would have gone a long way toward making this book usable, but its present format renders it unintelligible. There are  some interesting combinations here, but you&#8217;re on your own trying to find them. The occasional &#8220;process notes&#8221; serve to clutter, rather than clarify, what is already a mess. They should have been given their own separate section. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Contemporary <span class=SpellE>flarfists</span> will I think have an almost identical complaint, tho with some different names (the token inclusion is Rod Smith). All forms of conceptual poetics are missing, such as the work Hannah Weiner did with John <span class=SpellE>Perrault</span>. Save for Keith Abbott &amp; Pat Nolan, the Actualists &#8211; another Berrigan-inflected literary community of the 1970s &#8211; is completely absent. No Darrell Gray, no G. P. Skratz, no Dave Morice. <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>It&#8217;s bizarre</i>. No sign of Michael <span class=SpellE>Lally</span> anywhere. Is it really true that <span class=GramE>neither Jena Osman or</span> Juliana Spahr have ever written collaborations? Sheila E. Murphy or <span class=SpellE>Miekal</span> And? <span class=GramE>Susan Schultz or Maria Damon?</span> If they have, you can&#8217;t find out about it here. The editors have been careful enough to include smatterings of Robert Bly, Marilyn Hacker, Jim Harrison, Jane Miller, Reginald Shepherd, but it&#8217;s tokenism and easily identifiable as such. The result is that an unfamiliar or uneducated reader will come away from this book confirmed in the belief that the history of collaboration can be read as radiating outward from the writing of the three primary poets who dominate this volume and presumably the last half century of American poetry: Ted Berrigan, Joanna Fuhrman and David Lehman. That certainly is an interesting &amp; curious history. I&#8217;m only buying one third of it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>So far as I can tell the title of this book must refer to its editors, given that what they have offered us is maybe half of an unedited manuscript. Actually, the cutesiness of the title is a way of deflecting attention from the actual proposition of the book &#8211; it&#8217;s a confession on the part of the editors that they know this book isn&#8217;t what it claims to be. The editors all have, or had until now, good reputations as poets &amp; people. I can&#8217;t imagine why they didn&#8217;t do their homework, but it&#8217;s so manifestly absent throughout this misbegotten venture that this book easily is the disappointment of the year. Plus, as the example of the Michael <span class=SpellE>Benedikt</span> anthology demonstrates, what <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Saints of Hysteria</i> means above all else is that we&#8217;re <b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'>not</b> likely to have a <span class=GramE>comprehensive</span> or competent collection of American collaborative poetry for another thirty years at least. That&#8217;s tragic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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