<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post111582644534443448..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>28</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111617938243273356</id><published>2005-05-15T13:49:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-15T13:49:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>As America &quot;settles into the mould of its vulgarit...</title><summary type='text'>As America &quot;settles into the mould of its vulgarity&quot; (Jeffers), and geographic consolidation occurs, we will see less mobility, and the inherent value of land and traditional architecture will gradually increase.  Europe is now thousands of years old, and there&#39;s a continuity, permanence about habitation there that Americans regard with a mixture of quaint admiration and modern amusement.  But, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111617938243273356'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111617938243273356'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116179340000#c111617938243273356' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 15, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111613227345557201</id><published>2005-05-15T00:44:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-15T00:44:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Definitely, Ron.   About a decade ago I interviewe...</title><summary type='text'>Definitely, Ron.   About a decade ago I interviewed for a job in Palo Alto and then checked the home prices in the area.  My best friend lived in the Mission for most of the last decade as well.  The prices are sky high, seemingly higher than Manhattan.  Like you my uncle left the bay area after being a homeowner in a less desirable location and had oodles for buying a house in NJ 20 yrs later.  </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111613227345557201'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111613227345557201'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116132240000#c111613227345557201' title=''/><author><name>Patrick Herron</name><uri>http://carrboropoetryfestival.org/</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 15, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111608346829888694</id><published>2005-05-14T11:11:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-14T11:11:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Again, the scene in Chester County is in Coatesvil...</title><summary type='text'>Again, the scene in Chester County is in Coatesville -- crack capital of the region, dead mill town, ghost town.  Just there is the poetry that is needed to please the ghost of Tom McGrath.  Nothing in the high aesthetic line, of course,  Just the Real.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111608346829888694'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111608346829888694'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116083460000#c111608346829888694' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 14, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111607749669254461</id><published>2005-05-14T09:31:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-14T09:31:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Pat,It&#39;s all relative. Coming from Berkeley, it fe...</title><summary type='text'>Pat,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It&#39;s all relative. Coming from Berkeley, it feels as if they give land away for free in Pennsylvania. An 1100 square foot house a half block from the needle exchange program in Berkeley meant that I could live in &lt;I&gt;any&lt;/I&gt; neighborhood in Pennsylvania &amp; it&#39;s not an accident that we&#39;re in the best school district in the state. With considerably more house &amp; land, at that.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111607749669254461'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111607749669254461'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116077460000#c111607749669254461' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 14, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111605090092084657</id><published>2005-05-14T02:08:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-14T02:08:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The reason I stopped attending poetry readings her...</title><summary type='text'>The reason I stopped attending poetry readings here in UK was because the poets were so damn bad at reading (with the exception of Allen Fisher). Their paltry attempts indicated they didn&#39;t know the first thing about communication (or the spirit of communciation). My advice to them would be practice. If reading your work is vital to it receiving exposure &amp; feedback then you should be spending a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111605090092084657'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111605090092084657'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116050880000#c111605090092084657' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 14, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111604236030576751</id><published>2005-05-13T23:46:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T23:46:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>My parents live in Chester Co but I&#39;d need mucho d...</title><summary type='text'>My parents live in Chester Co but I&#39;d need mucho dinero to live there.  My wife and I make a good living but even so the cost of living where you are is so formidable.  And then, if we lived there, we&#39;d be trapped in a sort of suburban hell, frankly.  The culture there (my mother grew up on the Main Line) is about money; predictably, you have a lot of educated white Republicans voting for tax </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111604236030576751'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111604236030576751'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116042360000#c111604236030576751' title=''/><author><name>Patrick Herron</name><uri>http://carrboropoetryfestival.org/</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111602714052217621</id><published>2005-05-13T19:32:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T19:32:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>There&#39;s a good scene developing in Lowell, Mass., ...</title><summary type='text'>There&#39;s a good scene developing in Lowell, Mass., too. One thing that is both pro and con to its effectivity is the existence of so many seemingly disparate groups across many age ranges. We all began working together in one group called the Lowell Poetry Network in November. By end of April we had partnered with something like 20 community groups or businesses at 6-8 cultural institutions to </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111602714052217621'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111602714052217621'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116027120000#c111602714052217621' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111602635563862412</id><published>2005-05-13T19:19:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T19:19:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;Why, for example, Alan Sondheim uses listservs ra...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;Why, for example, Alan Sondheim uses listservs rather than a blog for distribution of his texts, is beyond me.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Sondheim&#39;s prose is interesting the first dozen times, but it soon recedes into a sort of staticy background -- it&#39;s just impossible to keep up. The poems seemed sort of sacrosanct on the UBP list: every once in awhile someone would complain about the volume, and dozens of </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111602635563862412'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111602635563862412'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116026340000#c111602635563862412' title=''/><author><name>Simon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03035545713190516583</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1104587410"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111602590786815015</id><published>2005-05-13T19:11:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T19:11:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Tony&#39;s assessment of Fayetteville AR is spot on. T...</title><summary type='text'>Tony&#39;s assessment of Fayetteville AR is spot on. The isolation is great (especially prior to 10 years ago when there was no major highway access and the baggage claim at the airport was a curtain in the wall), but then you gotta scoot or risk being sucked into a kind of townie limbo. I remember Whitehead saying to students who lingered around, &quot;Nice to see you, when are you getting the hell out </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111602590786815015'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111602590786815015'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116025860000#c111602590786815015' title=''/><author><name>Dan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14948772796878673138</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-602219834"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111601626451573748</id><published>2005-05-13T16:31:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T16:31:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I can&#39;t speak with tons of authority on this, but ...</title><summary type='text'>I can&#39;t speak with tons of authority on this, but I&#39;d hesitate to completely separate Stanford from UA people like (especially) the late Jim Whitehead, who (of all the UA professors I knew) seemed most immersed in Stanford&#39;s work &amp; life -- great stories about Jim working on a novel and another friend in town working on an anonymous porn novel (the guy&#39;s day job), with Stanford stumbling over late</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111601626451573748'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111601626451573748'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116016260000#c111601626451573748' title=''/><author><name>Tony Tost</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/15765857872778493229</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1599768463"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111601611698778477</id><published>2005-05-13T16:28:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T16:28:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Indeed things are poetically hopping here in centr...</title><summary type='text'>Indeed things are poetically hopping here in central North Carolina. Next weekend&#39;s 2nd annual Carrboro Poetry Festival (carrboropoetryfestival.org) boasts a formidable and various roster of some 40 poets. Chapbook presses are powering up and should debut toward the dawn of 2006. Carolina Wren&#39;s publishing Erica Hunt, Andrea Selch, Joe Donahue, and Evie Shockley. Ken Rumble&#39;s Desert City Reading </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111601611698778477'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111601611698778477'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116016080000#c111601611698778477' title=''/><author><name>Chris Vitiello</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05912644626118707168</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1601755112"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111601566120707962</id><published>2005-05-13T16:21:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T16:21:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ok, Curtis. People deny it up and down, but it is ...</title><summary type='text'>Ok, Curtis. People deny it up and down, but it is the artifact that creates the idea of art. Art is what we do. The artifact is the record of having done it. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;To have no clue and at the same time to stand in awe, and then to know the difference. That difference is the artifact: whether performance, or recordings or pages filled with marks. It is the artifact that becomes the tool that </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111601566120707962'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111601566120707962'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116015660000#c111601566120707962' title=''/><author><name>Michael Harold</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11165160971360124629</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-626236699"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111601480274012795</id><published>2005-05-13T16:06:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T16:06:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The idea of a scene around Frank Stanford and CD W...</title><summary type='text'>The idea of a scene around Frank Stanford and CD Wright in Arkansas is not exactly true. The scene there was more around Miller Williams, Jim Whitehead, other UA faculty, and various visiting writers, such as John Clellon Holmes, Gary Snyder, and so forth. The scene around Frank Stanford was a scene that predated CD. His widow, Ginny, for instance. Or Irv Broughton, who published his first books.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111601480274012795'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111601480274012795'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116014760000#c111601480274012795' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111600960068695654</id><published>2005-05-13T14:40:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T14:40:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>There&#39;s a poetry scene in the Bay Area? -Andy Mr.</title><summary type='text'>There&#39;s a poetry scene in the Bay Area? &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;-Andy Mr.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111600960068695654'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111600960068695654'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116009600000#c111600960068695654' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111600946620301301</id><published>2005-05-13T14:37:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T14:37:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>In reference to your second footnote, I agree, Bla...</title><summary type='text'>In reference to your second footnote, I agree, Black Mountain College probably could have happened any number of other places; but the fact that it DID happen in NC has meant a lot to art and poetry in the region.  Asheville would certainly not be the same place without BMC.  And I feel like the present-day NC scene owes a lot ot those &quot;displaced northeasterners.&quot;  BMC (along with the Jonathan </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111600946620301301'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111600946620301301'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116009420000#c111600946620301301' title=''/><author><name>Fish</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111600919965849963</id><published>2005-05-13T14:33:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T14:33:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The Philly scene has a good post-avant contingent....</title><summary type='text'>The Philly scene has a good post-avant contingent. I&#39;ve found Chester County to be a bit overrun with formalists (who I&#39;ve found to treat outsiders like poetry&#39;s answer to the Promise Keepers).  I&#39;m in Montgomery County, which is sort of buffer between the two.   Unfortunately, working in theatre, I don&#39;t get a chance to get into Philly to hear as much poetry as I&#39;d like.  The web has been a good</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111600919965849963'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111600919965849963'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116009180000#c111600919965849963' title=''/><author><name>T Martin</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12351843786818352352</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1227693607"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111600841808066534</id><published>2005-05-13T14:20:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T14:20:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>This is where I need one of those giant seltzer sp...</title><summary type='text'>This is where I need one of those giant seltzer spritzers</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111600841808066534'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111600841808066534'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116008400000#c111600841808066534' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111600752906788392</id><published>2005-05-13T14:05:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T14:05:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;Will the academic critics &quot;discover&quot; Spicer, and ...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;Will the academic critics &quot;discover&quot; Spicer, and fill up volumes of analytical exegesis?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Who cares.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Curtis is ON FIRE!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;-A Mr.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111600752906788392'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111600752906788392'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116007500000#c111600752906788392' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111600665793192524</id><published>2005-05-13T13:50:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T13:50:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Spicer&#39;s a special case in many ways.  He was not ...</title><summary type='text'>Spicer&#39;s a special case in many ways.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;He was not conscientious about publication, and that can swing both ways:  In one way it&#39;s admirable that he valued presence and interpersonal exchange over inert pages.  In another, a writer&#39;s value and significance lies in what he leaves behind on the printed page; if he doesn&#39;t pay attention to that, it will almost certainly result in a skewed </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111600665793192524'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111600665793192524'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116006600000#c111600665793192524' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111600592729384716</id><published>2005-05-13T13:38:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T13:38:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I grew up in Chester County, too (Linwood, Boothwy...</title><summary type='text'>I grew up in Chester County, too (Linwood, Boothwyn, Marcus Hook -- family spread all over there), before moving to Delaware in my teens. And, right!, I don&#39;t live there now, either.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;-J. Massey</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111600592729384716'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111600592729384716'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116005880000#c111600592729384716' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111600484481508273</id><published>2005-05-13T13:20:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T13:20:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;Readings don&#39;t make poetry. Poets do. It&#39;s only a...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;Readings don&#39;t make poetry. Poets do. It&#39;s only a writer with no ideas, no curiosity, no gumption, who must depend on public readings to be informed. They&#39;re really the last resort of awareness and discovery. They&#39;re social playing fields where egos and cliques and factions disport, where snobbery, envy and ambition are played out.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;AMEN Curtis!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;-Andy Mr.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111600484481508273'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111600484481508273'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1116004800000#c111600484481508273' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111599860060229795</id><published>2005-05-13T11:36:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T11:36:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>actually michael, jack spicer entered these blog d...</title><summary type='text'>actually michael, jack spicer entered these blog discussions as a result of some writing about voice and influence that was prompted by diane wakoski, and to which you first introduced the incredibly prescient poem from language.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;the next day, mr. silliman took the name to the realms of the absurd, prompting a very nasty comment from yours truly concerning a remembered peanut&#39;s cartoon </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111599860060229795'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111599860060229795'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1115998560000#c111599860060229795' title=''/><author><name>harvey bialy</name><uri>http://bialystocker.net</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111599820995243247</id><published>2005-05-13T11:30:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T11:30:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I&#39;ve known Curtis forever &amp; pay very close attenti...</title><summary type='text'>I&#39;ve known Curtis forever &amp; pay very close attention to what he says about writing. But for over 30 years, I&#39;ve felt him to be utterly wrong in his contempt for readings. As I believe he knows.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111599820995243247'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111599820995243247'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1115998200000#c111599820995243247' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111599755472602064</id><published>2005-05-13T11:19:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T11:19:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Hey!I’m with Curtis. People talk about this scene ...</title><summary type='text'>Hey!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I’m with Curtis. People talk about this scene and that scene and all the scenes seem to be geographic for some reason, at least until an anthology turns up. I understand that people are more likely to communicate if they are standing next to each other. At the same time, there’s a lot to be said for sitting alone in your room with Asperger’s trying to shut out all the noise by </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111599755472602064'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111599755472602064'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1115997540000#c111599755472602064' title=''/><author><name>Michael Harold</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11165160971360124629</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-626236699"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111599572837622388</id><published>2005-05-13T10:48:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T10:48:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>CF I would buy you a helmet.</title><summary type='text'>CF &lt;BR/&gt;I would buy you a helmet.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111599572837622388'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111582644534443448/comments/default/111599572837622388'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html?showComment=1115995680000#c111599572837622388' title=''/><author><name>J. Watson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12672899200810079557</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/hugh-steinbergs-response-in-comments.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111582644534443448' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111582644534443448' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-124579531"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 13, 2005"/></entry></feed>