<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post111703294663698824..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>36</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111768347117282396</id><published>2005-06-01T23:37:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-06-01T23:37:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>What poetry is currently missing is a way of deali...</title><summary type='text'>What poetry is currently missing is a way of dealing with the way things are not saved.  The internet as media foregrounds this question.  The net is a hyper-savings of words.  More words, more poems are saved here than ever anywhere before.  The linguistic models that dealt with words in the past cause pain here because of the proliferation of writing.  Because it is virtually all saved here (on</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111768347117282396'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111768347117282396'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117683420000#c111768347117282396' title=''/><author><name>anders</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08681497819726244816</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1214566224"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 01, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111741727478111443</id><published>2005-05-29T21:41:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-29T21:41:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Two comments by Stephen Baraban were removed by me...</title><summary type='text'>Two comments by Stephen Baraban were removed by me at his request. He is trying to figure out how to get text to depart the left line in Java Script, and didn&#39;t want the text up incorrectly spaced.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111741727478111443'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111741727478111443'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117417260000#c111741727478111443' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 29, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111733617428917175</id><published>2005-05-28T23:09:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-28T23:09:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'></title><summary type='text'>This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111733617428917175'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111733617428917175'/><author><name>Stephen Baraban</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09637400683517160112</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name='blogger.contentRemoved' value='true'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-290229728"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 28, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111729417043002545</id><published>2005-05-28T11:29:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-28T11:29:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Pam,I like your questions very much.  I believe yo...</title><summary type='text'>Pam,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I like your questions very much.  I believe you have hit upon one of Ron Silliman&#39;s blind spots, or, at least, have understood that there&#39;s something specious about these particular sweeping generalizations about the novel.  He is apparently not interested in the dynamics of remediation, for instance, which are more complex than the simple &quot;shifting&quot; of &quot;social needs&quot; from one </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111729417043002545'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111729417043002545'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117294140000#c111729417043002545' title=''/><author><name>kmarzahl</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16666106031063809980</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1108505737"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 28, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111728780808997773</id><published>2005-05-28T09:43:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-28T09:43:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Another thing that&#39;s missing in contemporary Ameri...</title><summary type='text'>Another thing that&#39;s missing in contemporary American poetry is endless spirals of Muslim anal energy.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Perhaps that&#39;s a good thing, I don&#39;t know.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One poet who possesses this virtue is Anne Carson, and this is perhaps the reason for her popularity.  Another poet who I think has these endless spirals is Billy Collins.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111728780808997773'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111728780808997773'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117287780000#c111728780808997773' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 28, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111727925667744536</id><published>2005-05-28T07:20:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-28T07:20:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>RonAfter your mention of Clark Coolidge as one poe...</title><summary type='text'>Ron&lt;BR/&gt;After your mention of Clark Coolidge as one poet you found initially difficult to understand,I read some of his work on the Internet. This is from the beginning of The Maintains, and I hope it&#39;s okay copyright-wise to quote just the first few lines out of about a 3-4 page poem...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;such like such as &lt;BR/&gt;of a whist &lt;BR/&gt;a bound &lt;BR/&gt;dull &lt;BR/&gt;the mid eft &lt;BR/&gt;lulu &lt;BR/&gt;the mode &lt;BR</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111727925667744536'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111727925667744536'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117279200000#c111727925667744536' title=''/><author><name>Pris</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03970753027686923295</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-2102071197"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 28, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111725645524578527</id><published>2005-05-28T01:00:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-28T01:00:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>What is Poetry currently missing?MAGIC.MUSIC.MYSTE...</title><summary type='text'>&lt;I&gt;What is Poetry currently missing?&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;MAGIC.&lt;BR/&gt;MUSIC.&lt;BR/&gt;MYSTERY.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;m.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111725645524578527'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111725645524578527'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117256400000#c111725645524578527' title=''/><author><name>michael</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00975839075714035618</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1405243351"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 28, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111724395126191989</id><published>2005-05-27T21:32:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T21:32:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>(I should add that I realize this discussion is in...</title><summary type='text'>(I should add that I realize this discussion is in response to Jonathon&#39;s questions about &lt;I&gt;poetry,&lt;/I&gt; but since you touch on how this relates to your notions about narrative, I have to ask...)</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111724395126191989'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111724395126191989'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117243920000#c111724395126191989' title=''/><author><name>pam</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10580503652531756432</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-424548952"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111724379815829075</id><published>2005-05-27T21:29:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T21:29:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron,In your response to #6 you stated in part:...a...</title><summary type='text'>Ron,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In your response to #6 you stated in part:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;...and yet in 500 years, I wonder if the novel will have survived. It was an outgrowth driven by the need for a focus on narrative &amp; character, social needs that have subsequently shifted to cinema.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Also, in the Simon DeDeo&#39;s comment you remarked:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;I frankly think the short story and novel have been </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111724379815829075'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111724379815829075'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117243740000#c111724379815829075' title=''/><author><name>pam</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10580503652531756432</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-424548952"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111723229330780592</id><published>2005-05-27T18:18:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T18:18:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>(re: poetry&#39;s audience)Ron is correct in asserting...</title><summary type='text'>(re: poetry&#39;s audience)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ron is correct in asserting that poetry does, in fact, have an &#39;audience&#39; -- in that people are reading poetry, and that poetry has a following.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But often, when someone asserts that poetry is lacking an &#39;audience&#39;, they are employing that term in a somewhat peculiar manner; a manner which is more closely related to other meanings of the word &#39;audience&#39;.  </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111723229330780592'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111723229330780592'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117232280000#c111723229330780592' title=''/><author><name>A. J. Patrick Liszkiewicz</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/17254397162486199144</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1316254827"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111722770244604097</id><published>2005-05-27T17:01:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T17:01:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I think you can still see that -- people who think...</title><summary type='text'>I think you can still see that -- people who think Zukofsky is the outer limit of possibility, people who think the NY School is the outer limit of possibility, people who think langpo is the outer limit of possibility -- in fact, each is a springboard if we but look at it appropriately.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111722770244604097'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111722770244604097'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117227660000#c111722770244604097' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111722747727984448</id><published>2005-05-27T16:57:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T16:57:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron -- Right on.  Although I love Albert Murray&#39;s ...</title><summary type='text'>Ron -- Right on.  Although I love Albert Murray&#39;s writing, I&#39;ve always been bothered by his association with Marsalis.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;[At the same time, your quotation from Miles makes me remember *You&#39;re Under Arrest*, one of the most depressing moments in the history of music.]&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But I wonder about Bangs&#39; idea still: we expect the Marsalis&#39;s of the art world to become a Preservation Society, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111722747727984448'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111722747727984448'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117227420000#c111722747727984448' title=''/><author><name>Matt Merlino</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/15356783127504854049</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1135783178"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111722543038278797</id><published>2005-05-27T16:23:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T16:23:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>It&#39;s less important to &quot;get&quot; a poem; the music of ...</title><summary type='text'>It&#39;s less important to &quot;get&quot; a poem; the music of a poem is nearly all that matters. Of course a poem may be &quot;gotten&quot; after repeated readings too ... but true music in poetry should be readily apparent at first glance. The &quot;music&quot; of a poem may also be cacophony, if that&#39;s the intention--it works just as well, etc.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Larry Sawyer</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111722543038278797'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111722543038278797'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117225380000#c111722543038278797' title=''/><author><name>incredulass</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16890154204998918984</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-286548612"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111722212460598844</id><published>2005-05-27T15:28:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T15:28:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>If Lester Bangs were alive today, he&#39;d know exactl...</title><summary type='text'>If Lester Bangs were alive today, he&#39;d know exactly why Miles Davis used to call Branford Marsalis &quot;the police.&quot;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111722212460598844'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111722212460598844'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117222080000#c111722212460598844' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111722114620235481</id><published>2005-05-27T15:12:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T15:12:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Sometimes I think poetry is missing music.  I just...</title><summary type='text'>Sometimes I think poetry is missing music.  I just taught Pope&#39;s &quot;Essay on Criticism&quot; and was astounded, once again, at the sheer technique, at the way form is an expression of content, to paraphrase Creeley.  We also looked at sections from Phillip&#39;s *A Humument*, and again, I found the class just enjoying reading the language aloud.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This is the key to Stevens to me: I don&#39;t even care </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111722114620235481'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111722114620235481'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117221120000#c111722114620235481' title=''/><author><name>Matt Merlino</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/15356783127504854049</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1135783178"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111721961555056308</id><published>2005-05-27T14:46:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T14:46:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>After going to the Carrboro Poetry Festival it see...</title><summary type='text'>After going to the Carrboro Poetry Festival it seems utterly absurd to say things like &quot;poetry doesn&#39;t have an audience.&quot;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111721961555056308'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111721961555056308'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117219560000#c111721961555056308' title=''/><author><name>A</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12711578889596082100</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1258079648"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111721834877011748</id><published>2005-05-27T14:25:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T14:25:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Also, it&#39;s wrong. If there are 10,000 titles being...</title><summary type='text'>Also, it&#39;s wrong. If there are 10,000 titles being published per year in the USA, it can&#39;t possibly be for lack of an audience. Rather, the number of titles has risen faster than the overall number of readers, so poetry is moving away from the mass audience promise of 50-100 years ago to a series of niche audiences today, moving from macro to micro if you will. But that&#39;s not the sign of a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111721834877011748'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111721834877011748'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117218300000#c111721834877011748' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111721809879349321</id><published>2005-05-27T14:21:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T14:21:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kirby,That would&#39;ve been my answer, but I personal...</title><summary type='text'>Kirby,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;That would&#39;ve been my answer, but I personally make that point too often!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Geof</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111721809879349321'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111721809879349321'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117218060000#c111721809879349321' title=''/><author><name>Geof Huth</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04763053227479195348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-599696549"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111721613455506838</id><published>2005-05-27T13:48:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T13:48:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Poetry is currently missing an audience.</title><summary type='text'>Poetry is currently missing an audience.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111721613455506838'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111721613455506838'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117216080000#c111721613455506838' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111721445401786004</id><published>2005-05-27T13:20:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T13:20:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I don&#39;t get Stevens either. I can intellectualize ...</title><summary type='text'>I don&#39;t get Stevens either. I can intellectualize &quot;needing to know him,&quot; but I come up against a wall each time I try.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111721445401786004'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111721445401786004'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117214400000#c111721445401786004' title=''/><author><name>Laura Carter</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16936549737323400532</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-843607452"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111721134170747709</id><published>2005-05-27T12:29:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T12:29:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ah, yes but still the innovator cries out &quot;What ca...</title><summary type='text'>Ah, yes but still the innovator cries out &quot;What care I?&quot; and goes ahead.  Perhaps disappearing forever but there is something that drives this fellow other than all the yakety yak.  It has been ever thus.  Here lies one whose name is writ in water.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111721134170747709'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111721134170747709'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117211340000#c111721134170747709' title=''/><author><name>Lon Silliman</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05557544995428892686</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1747027750"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111721057351607506</id><published>2005-05-27T12:16:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T12:16:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>What is poetry currently missing? When poetry gets...</title><summary type='text'>What is poetry currently missing? &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;When poetry gets stuck in or reactive within the aesthetic parameters of defined movements it is difficult if not impossible for innovation to occur. Innovation could, in fact, be hampered dramatically, or perhaps overlooked altogether, if a primary determinant for establishing innovation is to first preordain those likely to do the innovating. That, in</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111721057351607506'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111721057351607506'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117210560000#c111721057351607506' title=''/><author><name>hackzkztv</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04809989461583195705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1003761333"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111720969298497381</id><published>2005-05-27T12:01:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T12:01:00.001-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Stephen Greenblatt’s case for Shakespeare in oppos...</title><summary type='text'>Stephen Greenblatt’s case for Shakespeare in opposition to Jonson’s so called “Official Verse Culture” is completely anachronistic  -- but after all this is the point of the New Historicism.  Greenblatt was foolish enough to include the so called Funeral Ode in the Norton as something that may be the Bard’s.  Only possible if the good old Swan of Avon had suffered a cerebral accident and the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111720969298497381'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111720969298497381'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117209660001#c111720969298497381' title=''/><author><name>Lon Silliman</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05557544995428892686</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1747027750"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111720969201015492</id><published>2005-05-27T12:01:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T12:01:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Stephen Greenblatt’s case for Shakespeare in oppos...</title><summary type='text'>Stephen Greenblatt’s case for Shakespeare in opposition to Jonson’s so called “Official Verse Culture” is completely anachronistic  -- but after all this is the point of the New Historicism.  Greenblatt was foolish enough to include the so called Funeral Ode in the Norton as something that may be the Bard’s.  Only possible if the good old Swan of Avon had suffered a cerebral accident and the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111720969201015492'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111720969201015492'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117209660000#c111720969201015492' title=''/><author><name>Lon Silliman</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05557544995428892686</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1747027750"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111720964630243399</id><published>2005-05-27T12:00:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T12:00:00.001-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Poets who argue that they can’t – or shouldn’t – h...</title><summary type='text'>&lt;I&gt; Poets who argue that they can’t – or shouldn’t – have “real jobs” because it would take away from their writing are really just using that as an excuse to cover over other kinds of social disabilities.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I have to agree wholeheartedly with this statement. Academia can be a wonderful place, but it isn&#39;t the best way to diversify one&#39;s experience. And it certainly isn&#39;t he only area </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111720964630243399'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/111703294663698824/comments/default/111720964630243399'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html?showComment=1117209600001#c111720964630243399' title=''/><author><name>L. Trent</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12175950201511243122</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/05/jonathan-mayhew-second-from-left-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-111703294663698824' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/111703294663698824' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1878720032"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 27, 2005"/></entry></feed>