<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post113183907294261417..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>93</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113288837346082176</id><published>2005-11-24T22:12:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-24T22:12:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>i agee, i think there&#39;s an essential def intheir b...</title><summary type='text'>i agee, i think there&#39;s an essential def intheir becming woamn; it doesnt seem to have teh frredom of their other becomings. i dont think their heart was is in it and it was just a sop to the feminists.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;steeve</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113288837346082176'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113288837346082176'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132888320000#c113288837346082176' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113285985108511151</id><published>2005-11-24T14:17:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-24T14:17:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Steve, I sent you some quick backchannels -- let&#39;s...</title><summary type='text'>Steve, I sent you some quick backchannels -- let&#39;s ee if you ge tthem.  Busy with T-day here. Thanks for your messages, and for joining thisfray -- your perspective greatly enlarges my framework.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I took a grad course on Deleuze -- &quot;becoming woman&quot; would be a fun thing to bring in here -- but I think there&#39;s an essentialist definition going on -- that iw oudl be fun to challenge but I&#39;m </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113285985108511151'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113285985108511151'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132859820000#c113285985108511151' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113283823084588797</id><published>2005-11-24T08:17:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-24T08:17:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Kirby,I just got back from a play rehearsal, so I;...</title><summary type='text'>Kirby,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I just got back from a play rehearsal, so I;m kind of tired. But I would have to say this is one of teh most original - and deep -- takes on any poet that i;ve heard in years. I can see totaly where you&#39;re coming from about the animals. There are things in Deluze that would help that, I believe. This book has such potential richness it will be about far more than Moore. It will be</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113283823084588797'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113283823084588797'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132838220000#c113283823084588797' title=''/><author><name>steve in Taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113275427600886554</id><published>2005-11-23T08:57:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-23T08:57:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Steve, I&#39;m going to try and track down your email ...</title><summary type='text'>Steve, I&#39;m going to try and track down your email address in the hinterlands of this post -- will be busy with T-day stuff for several days -- but to answer one of your smaller questions I&#39;m almost certain that the animal poems are a defense of creationism.  They are all about the exquisite DESIGN of animals.  I really wonder if anybody would allow me to discuss this in a book.  I myself feel </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113275427600886554'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113275427600886554'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132754220000#c113275427600886554' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113273166594436743</id><published>2005-11-23T02:41:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-23T02:41:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I think those are good points about Iowa [I was th...</title><summary type='text'>I think those are good points about Iowa [I was there] and AWP etc...before that, I think people responded to their own promptings to a greater degree, with less of an eye toward fitting in. HOw else to explain someone like Hart Crane?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;By the ay, I dont think Lowell ever was considered the kingof the hill. Quite the opostie really. he took a huge ammount of flak for teh change in his </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113273166594436743'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113273166594436743'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132731660000#c113273166594436743' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113272249509493774</id><published>2005-11-23T00:08:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-23T00:08:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>As far as I&#39;m concerned, the &quot;school of quietude&quot; ...</title><summary type='text'>As far as I&#39;m concerned, the &quot;school of quietude&quot; (if we&#39;re talking about the same thing) does not begin until the founding of the Iowa Writer&#39;s Workshop and its sister institution, the AWP. Before that, you&#39;re dealing with a completely different situation -- why map these directly onto that same master narrative? Generationally, Bishop belongs to an &quot;in-between&quot; group of poet-professors (</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113272249509493774'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113272249509493774'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132722480000#c113272249509493774' title=''/><author><name>Tim Peterson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04933998770428587146</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1753046145"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113271358790394906</id><published>2005-11-22T21:39:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-22T21:39:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Kirby,Yes, Parnasian...but I didnt mean it so stro...</title><summary type='text'>Kirby,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Yes, Parnasian...but I didnt mean it so strongly; just the idea of a poet very concerned with surface and technique. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Yes, I remember in distrust of merits....How did you get into Niebuhr? But this Niebur and this Humphrey dont soundlike very progressive guys to me. you know my horror of the Viet Nam thing, even though I wa a child.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I can see the Augustinina </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113271358790394906'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113271358790394906'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132713540000#c113271358790394906' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 22, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113270352630237826</id><published>2005-11-22T18:52:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-22T18:52:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>A great post Kirby; I will respond more later, I h...</title><summary type='text'>A great post Kirby; I will respond more later, I have to go to an appoinmtnet etc&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;but one thing I say -- you really need to write this book. I&#39;ll talk more about this, get you out of your reluctance. it could change the whole way she&#39;f viewed and have many resonances with other aspects of American culture. There&#39;s ways of doing it that wont kill you, believe me. i know you have children </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113270352630237826'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113270352630237826'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132703520000#c113270352630237826' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 22, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113269116090526870</id><published>2005-11-22T15:26:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-22T15:26:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Steven,Ok, Parnassians, &amp; the art for art&#39;s sake i...</title><summary type='text'>Steven,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ok, Parnassians, &amp; the art for art&#39;s sake idea that takes place as the nadir of French symbolism (somewhat reflected too in English verse at the same time with Arthur Symonds? or some of Oscar Wilde&#39;s poetry?) -- no I wouldn&#39;t see Moore&#39;s work as being remotely meaningless like that -- the early work perhaps a little but after In Distrust of Merits -- a turn toward the public -- </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113269116090526870'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113269116090526870'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132691160000#c113269116090526870' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 22, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113263319750873180</id><published>2005-11-21T23:19:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T23:19:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Kirby,Parnassian just refers to that group of 19th...</title><summary type='text'>Kirby,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Parnassian just refers to that group of 19th century French poets -- Lecomt d Lisle [sp?] is the best know -- who pursued a very staid, sort of artificial beuaty with very hyper-perfect formal verse and a kind of abstract content removed from human interest -- L de L supposedly wrote a poem about a string of elephants crossing the desert. So just pretty-pretty bric a brac poetry.&lt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113263319750873180'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113263319750873180'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132633140000#c113263319750873180' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113262537721479069</id><published>2005-11-21T21:09:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T21:09:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Steve not sure I disagree -- the book I&#39;d like to ...</title><summary type='text'>Steve not sure I disagree -- the book I&#39;d like to write would take 5000 hours and would require the help of several retired Presbyterian ministers and would require the reading of at least a thousand books.  I wish someone else would do the book, but someone with a style and an imagination as well as an ability to pay close attention to a very regal discourse.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I wasn&#39;t sure what you </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113262537721479069'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113262537721479069'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132625340000#c113262537721479069' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113262493978143943</id><published>2005-11-21T21:02:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T21:02:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>well Kirby,you sound like you shouldjust write abo...</title><summary type='text'>well Kirby,you sound like you shouldjust write abook about her. Very interesting ideas. What socialism was Niebuhr conncected with? &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;so Igues you disgaree with it being rather Parnassian stuff...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;steve</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113262493978143943'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113262493978143943'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132624920000#c113262493978143943' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113262098061803276</id><published>2005-11-21T19:56:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T19:56:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>There&#39;s no good account of her Protestantism, Curt...</title><summary type='text'>There&#39;s no good account of her Protestantism, Curtis.  If you look through the enormous volume published at Orono which details all the criticism there is but one brief article.  She is instead accounted for as a feminist of sorts (this is hilarous!), a multiculturalist of all kinds (completely wrong), one book even presents her as a dadaist of all things (dadaists were against culture and were </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113262098061803276'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113262098061803276'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132620960000#c113262098061803276' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113261911003158980</id><published>2005-11-21T19:25:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T19:25:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I think Moore was Very Proestant at the core -- a ...</title><summary type='text'>I think Moore was Very Proestant at the core -- a tremendous preoccupation with purity and control. someone I knew -- the poet Lee Upton -- said she preferred Bishop to Moore because Morre always seemed to have this self-protective vibe, whereas Bishop was more open and exploratory. I agree with that. Mooore has wonderful style and tecnique, but it always seems a litle like cast iron or cut glass</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113261911003158980'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113261911003158980'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132619100000#c113261911003158980' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113261562303698488</id><published>2005-11-21T18:27:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T18:27:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Kirby,What about Moore&#39;s protestantism?  That soun...</title><summary type='text'>Kirby,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;What about Moore&#39;s protestantism?  That sounds interesting.  I don&#39;t know that I&#39;ve ever read a critique of her work based on her &quot;religion.&quot;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113261562303698488'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113261562303698488'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132615620000#c113261562303698488' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113261500583821110</id><published>2005-11-21T18:16:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T18:16:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I&#39;m glad we are all on friendly terms now. I will ...</title><summary type='text'>I&#39;m glad we are all on friendly terms now. I will reply at greater length, but I have to get ready to teach [I&#39;m in an opposite time zone :)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;best to all&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;steve frattali</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113261500583821110'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113261500583821110'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132614960000#c113261500583821110' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113260012406234881</id><published>2005-11-21T14:08:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T14:08:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>On a peripheral note -- wasn&#39;t Chiang Kai-Chek&#39;s w...</title><summary type='text'>On a peripheral note -- wasn&#39;t Chiang Kai-Chek&#39;s wife in the opening of the Maximus poems?  It seemed to me that Charles Olson backed Mao against Chiang Kai-Chek.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;He probably wouldn&#39;t if he had known what we know now.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Elizabeth Bishop was independently wealthy.  What was the source?  I read about her money in Wikipedia, I think.  That&#39;s one way to go abroad.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I don&#39;t </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113260012406234881'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113260012406234881'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132600080000#c113260012406234881' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113259272280194428</id><published>2005-11-21T12:05:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T12:05:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Steve, I&#39;m glad you came back and told us somethin...</title><summary type='text'>Steve, I&#39;m glad you came back and told us something of your life. I hope you&#39;ll stick around and let the insights your projects have given you inform the discussion. Contention isn&#39;t always a finely tuned motor, and most of us have made ourselves disagreeable at times. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;My honest best (no irony intended),&lt;BR/&gt;Kirk</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113259272280194428'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113259272280194428'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132592700000#c113259272280194428' title=''/><author><name>Kirk Johnson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05529898733002317995</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-895736745"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113258888633097954</id><published>2005-11-21T11:01:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T11:01:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Interesting long posts.  Steve if you&#39;d send me th...</title><summary type='text'>Interesting long posts.  Steve if you&#39;d send me the book via email at olsonjk@delhi.edu I would be happy to get it.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I have just a few other things to say -- first, don&#39;t overlook community colleges if you want to live in the US.  The faculties are cordial and devoted to teaching, and the pay is almost as good as the universities.  You also don&#39;t have to deal with extraordinarily </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113258888633097954'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113258888633097954'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132588860000#c113258888633097954' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113256999028511681</id><published>2005-11-21T05:46:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T05:46:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Meiguanxi Andy [Mandarin for no problem]How nice t...</title><summary type='text'>Meiguanxi Andy [Mandarin for no problem]&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;How nice that you were able to work with Erik. He&#39;s amazing. I can imagine how he would have disliked a prodcuiton like that. I think he was writing that thing when I knew him at Iowa. So, are you a fellow RAT? come on, confess. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I was going to go to SD to visit the George Oppen archives. I&#39;m writng a book about him.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Email me </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113256999028511681'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113256999028511681'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132569960000#c113256999028511681' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113256874567052362</id><published>2005-11-21T05:25:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T05:25:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Oh, and I also apologize for my overzealous tradin...</title><summary type='text'>Oh, and I also apologize for my overzealous trading of insults. As I&#39;ve said here before, online discourse seems plagued by, on the one hand, the near-impossibility of reading the tone of what&#39;s received and, on the other, the tendency of many writers, myself included, to be careless in this medium.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113256874567052362'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113256874567052362'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132568700000#c113256874567052362' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113256744430684635</id><published>2005-11-21T05:04:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T05:04:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Steve,It&#39;s great to &quot;meet&quot; you here, and to hear y...</title><summary type='text'>Steve,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It&#39;s great to &quot;meet&quot; you here, and to hear your descriptions of Taiwan and everything else. Some of the best correspondences get off to a rough start.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#39;ll have to argue with you about Adorno sometime. Especially because you and I are reading some of the same other books.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I met Erik Ehn (very briefly) when I was in what I consider to have been a seven-year exile </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113256744430684635'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113256744430684635'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132567440000#c113256744430684635' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113256417419361513</id><published>2005-11-21T04:09:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T04:09:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Dear all,I would like to apologize for my rudeness...</title><summary type='text'>Dear all,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I would like to apologize for my rudeness at times. I did not mean to be rude exactly, only emphatic. Though I must say, I was taken aback by the negative comments on Bishop, whom I wrote a book about [still unpublished, under review].&lt;BR/&gt;Still, it is hard to judge one&#39;s tone over email sometimes. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I have enjoyed our give and take, especially with Kirby Olson and </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113256417419361513'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113256417419361513'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132564140000#c113256417419361513' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113256066457462222</id><published>2005-11-21T03:11:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T03:11:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>ps KirbyThey wont let sick people die in Taiwan. F...</title><summary type='text'>ps Kirby&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;They wont let sick people die in Taiwan. First, medical care is cheap; anyone who has a job has Natinal Health; no hospital would turn away someone seriously ill regardless....All medical personel speak English [in teh case of nurses is might be so-so, with doctors its near native] The Taiwan educatinal system is notoriuosly rigorous; at this point probably beyond that of the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113256066457462222'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113256066457462222'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132560660000#c113256066457462222' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254447884608287</id><published>2005-11-20T22:41:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-20T22:41:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Dear Curtis,With regard to you earlier post about ...</title><summary type='text'>Dear Curtis,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;With regard to you earlier post about it being more &quot;broadening intelectually&quot; to stay inteh US -- I think I indicated in my reply that I was not realy talking about that. As far as skepticim about &quot;reality&quot; see Alphonso Lingis -- The Imperative. As far as teh breadth of my reading is concerned -- there is no space ot get into that, but here are the books I happen to have on</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113254447884608287'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113183907294261417/comments/default/113254447884608287'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html?showComment=1132544460000#c113254447884608287' title=''/><author><name>steve in Taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/within-history-of-school-of-quietude.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113183907294261417' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113183907294261417' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 20, 2005"/></entry></feed>