<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post113254092466989091..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>45</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113347054514706786</id><published>2005-12-01T15:55:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-01T15:55:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron, Helene Aylon&#39;s studio was on Carleton St. bel...</title><summary type='text'>Ron, Helene Aylon&#39;s studio was on Carleton St. below San Pablo in West Berkeley, just for the record.&lt;BR/&gt;Love, Gloria</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113347054514706786'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113347054514706786'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1133470500000#c113347054514706786' title=''/><author><name>Gloria Frym</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 01, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113328011316828622</id><published>2005-11-29T11:01:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-29T11:01:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ashbery uses the relativism of a &quot;disembodied&quot; per...</title><summary type='text'>Ashbery uses the relativism of a &quot;disembodied&quot; persona as a facility for composition.  Writing poems is an exercise in stamina.  Can the imagination--like a muscle--be trained to spout and spew on command?  Maybe so.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Do conviction and mortality and delight become, like everything else, relative?  Do people die?  Does poetry matter?  These questions, it seems to me, have no specific </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113328011316828622'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113328011316828622'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1133280060000#c113328011316828622' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 29, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113318218738646404</id><published>2005-11-28T07:49:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-28T07:49:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>curtisI actually found Simic&#39;s comment interesting...</title><summary type='text'>curtis&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I actually found Simic&#39;s comment interesting -if gnomic -but I don&#39;t think Ashbery is playing any jokes on anyone - for me he is at his best a very great poet. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Poetry should be fun I think - but Ashbery writes in a way that is unique - he has incorporated surealism -popular culture -art and so on - but he is not a poet interested -as say Ron Silliman is -in poetics as </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113318218738646404'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113318218738646404'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1133182140000#c113318218738646404' title=''/><author><name>Richard Taylor</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10272507198753290435</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1142244622"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 28, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113307057521285656</id><published>2005-11-27T00:49:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-27T00:49:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>i think Ashbury is very sane; almsot sort of ratin...</title><summary type='text'>i think Ashbury is very sane; almsot sort of ratinalist in the French manner. I never could associate him with Surrealim, for example; his style seems too --- elegant? prosaic? someting...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;anyway&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;steve in Taipei</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113307057521285656'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113307057521285656'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1133070540000#c113307057521285656' title=''/><author><name>steve in Taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 27, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113306559352011576</id><published>2005-11-26T23:26:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-26T23:26:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>If Simic really wrote this, he was probably drunk ...</title><summary type='text'>If Simic really wrote this, he was probably drunk at the time, in which case he won&#39;t be back to check out the responses.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It&#39;s irrelevant whether or not JA is &quot;sick&quot;--either mentally or physically.  His poems suggest he is playing an elaborate joke on the reader, pretending to write a traditional poem with a developed agenda, then deliberately distorting it, for fun, or mischief, one </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113306559352011576'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113306559352011576'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1133065560000#c113306559352011576' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 26, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113306554037434772</id><published>2005-11-26T23:25:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-26T23:25:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>this last comment by Charles Simic confirms for me...</title><summary type='text'>this last comment by Charles Simic confirms for me his total imbecility. Certainly his poems give adequate proof of that before, but only to a relative degree. I had always suspected that he was one of those eastern european emigres who were taken up by the official cultural organs of the US for esstially political purposes, teh basic mediocrity of their artistry being irrevelent : examples -- </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113306554037434772'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113306554037434772'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1133065500000#c113306554037434772' title=''/><author><name>steven in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 26, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113306001027840851</id><published>2005-11-26T21:53:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-26T21:53:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>What if Ashbury were a sicko? Would you love his p...</title><summary type='text'>What if Ashbury were a sicko? Would you love his poems then?  I mean, if he was real sick. Bad. Because he may be. Meaning indents text. Test, test. Textiles are really what Ashbury is about. He is created a fabric from our heartstrings. He is sick to do it because we have no say. And taking the say is a poem. Sick. We are poems now, duh.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113306001027840851'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113306001027840851'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1133059980000#c113306001027840851' title=''/><author><name>Charlie Simic</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 26, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113292086176448215</id><published>2005-11-25T07:14:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-25T07:14:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>If I didn&#39;t like my little island &amp; my little town...</title><summary type='text'>If I didn&#39;t like my little island &amp; my little town so much I would probably be in Asia. Now, there&#39;s always time. Yes, in my mind Europe is lost. If I am to end on a controvesial note: Everything that has appeared european &amp; enlightened for the last 15 centuries is really only attempts to understand things that came out of the arab world. The influence of east Asia has been too small to make any </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113292086176448215'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113292086176448215'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132920840000#c113292086176448215' title=''/><author><name>Lars Palm</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/18014279624033048950</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1490930370"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 25, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113291239932638657</id><published>2005-11-25T04:53:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-25T04:53:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Lars,I can hardly belive it. I was going to go to ...</title><summary type='text'>Lars,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I can hardly belive it. I was going to go to Europe. Guess I&#39;ll stay here in Asia. The &quot;letist&quot; parties are completely neutralized, evidently. I&#39;m very disappointed. i always thoght Eurpe was more enlightened. But he French uprising gives me hope [despite teh senseless deaths]. the French are not like the Americans, they will not take things lying down, watching TV.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;steve </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113291239932638657'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113291239932638657'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132912380000#c113291239932638657' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 25, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113284900779313532</id><published>2005-11-24T11:16:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-24T11:16:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Yes, that may be the ones. The one I thought of at...</title><summary type='text'>Yes, that may be the ones. The one I thought of at first, although I heard about it recently &amp; may have got them confused, was Fabrice Fernandez who was shot while handcuffed in a police station in Lyon in december 1998. I will quote a bit from an email I got from a friend who has been following french media closely for ten years. What follows is a quick, but hopefully adequate translation I did </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113284900779313532'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113284900779313532'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132848960000#c113284900779313532' title=''/><author><name>Lars Palm</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/18014279624033048950</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1490930370"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113283720145286853</id><published>2005-11-24T08:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-24T08:00:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>larsby young immigrant you mean the two who were e...</title><summary type='text'>lars&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;by young immigrant you mean the two who were electrocuted in the power station where they sought refuge?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I didnt realize the French police were so bad, though one does get hints of it in , say, James Baldwin&#39;s &#39;Notes&quot;. By all accounts I have read teh French &quot;leftist&quot; parties have more or less abandoned teh young people.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I wonder what Alain Badiou&#39;s position is. </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113283720145286853'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113283720145286853'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132837200000#c113283720145286853' title=''/><author><name>steve in Taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 24, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113274995527118553</id><published>2005-11-23T07:45:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-23T07:45:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Steve in TaipeiI think what happened in (mostly) F...</title><summary type='text'>Steve in Taipei&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think what happened in (mostly) France was a rising. Too many people had been subjected to too much oppression &amp; violence for too long &amp; simply stood up to say NO MORE. There is also a background event, the facts of which I don&#39;t have on hand right now. If anyone&#39;s interested I&#39;ll get back about that, but basically a young imigrant was murdered by the police. The french</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113274995527118553'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113274995527118553'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132749900000#c113274995527118553' title=''/><author><name>Lars Palm</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/18014279624033048950</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1490930370"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113274232848282745</id><published>2005-11-23T05:38:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-23T05:38:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I - by the way I admire Ron&#39;s Blog a lot - this is...</title><summary type='text'>I - by the way I admire Ron&#39;s Blog a lot - this is interesting - I know what Ron is saying - and it is true that Ashbery is &quot;non threatening&quot; (some though would argue that his &quot;meaninglessness&quot; is dangerous) - and also of course the New Yorker isn&#39;t primarily a lit mag. - I think that the way he writes is something that he has &quot;worked&quot; on - he may not be as intensely deliberative as (other poets)</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113274232848282745'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113274232848282745'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132742280000#c113274232848282745' title=''/><author><name>Richard Taylor</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10272507198753290435</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1142244622"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113273900937772940</id><published>2005-11-23T04:43:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-23T04:43:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>John Ashbery was one of the first poets I started ...</title><summary type='text'>John Ashbery was one of the first poets I started reading when I came action into poetry at the age of about 40 - I picked up Houseboat Days - I eventualy became obsessed with his work and had to stop reading him - not because he is bad but I was almost only reading Ashbery&#39;s work for some time.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113273900937772940'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113273900937772940'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132738980000#c113273900937772940' title=''/><author><name>Richard Taylor</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10272507198753290435</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1142244622"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 23, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113271476030790370</id><published>2005-11-22T21:59:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-22T21:59:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>pslove thatAsian doll right in the front...ok, jee...</title><summary type='text'>ps&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;love thatAsian doll right in the front...ok, jeez, I guess I&#39;m always saying beastly no-no type things...duibuchi [Mandarin, means sorry]&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But seriously folks,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;there was somethign I was wondering about. Why is no one talking about what has been going on in France. So much of our culture comes form their [esp. lit] and now the place has been going up in flames -- 300 </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113271476030790370'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113271476030790370'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132714740000#c113271476030790370' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 22, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113269753319867368</id><published>2005-11-22T17:12:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-22T17:12:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>well, I just read the piece and I guess he doesnt ...</title><summary type='text'>well, I just read the piece and I guess he doesnt have big bcks after all...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I was struck by how much Auden he has in him. A lot of it seemed like reprocessed Auden. The Dugna stuff quoted elsewhere too. And Ron&#39;s own early poem that he thought was related to &quot;Marina&quot; -- I dont think so. It&#39;s Auden. Strange how influential A. has been on American poetry.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;steve in taipei</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113269753319867368'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113269753319867368'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132697520000#c113269753319867368' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 22, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113269377705128070</id><published>2005-11-22T16:09:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-22T16:09:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>re Simon&#39;s remark:Robert Lowell said the exact sam...</title><summary type='text'>re Simon&#39;s remark:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Robert Lowell said the exact same thing in a Paris Review interview sometme around 1960. [!!]&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;steve in taipei</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113269377705128070'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113269377705128070'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132693740000#c113269377705128070' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 22, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268963658815582</id><published>2005-11-22T15:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-22T15:00:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I mean, I think we can all agree that the New York...</title><summary type='text'>I mean, I think we can all agree that the New Yorker is pretty much irrelevant to poetry at this point? Every now and again, some young up and coming poet accumulates enough institutional poetry frequent flyer miles and gets a verse in, but do any of us turn to the poems? I read for some of their great reporting on Abu Gharib, e.g., but not for the poems.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113268963658815582'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113268963658815582'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132689600000#c113268963658815582' title=''/><author><name>Simon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03035545713190516583</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1104587410"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 22, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113268676137837248</id><published>2005-11-22T14:12:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-22T14:12:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>There&#39;s plenty of direct quotes from Ashbery in th...</title><summary type='text'>There&#39;s plenty of direct quotes from Ashbery in the story.  Not that it makes it any better.  Just point of information here.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113268676137837248'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113268676137837248'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132686720000#c113268676137837248' title=''/><author><name>Daniel Nester</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12135073788017492685</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-482907402"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 22, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113265836720216093</id><published>2005-11-22T06:19:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-22T06:19:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I agree with Andy; why are teh frist tow lines so ...</title><summary type='text'>I agree with Andy; why are teh frist tow lines so crucial?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There was an Ancinet Mariner&lt;BR/&gt;And he stopeth one of three...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;now there&#39;s a set-up for you, dui bu diu [mandarin for n&#39;est-ce pas]?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;steve in Taipe</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113265836720216093'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113265836720216093'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132658340000#c113265836720216093' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 22, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113264149304144576</id><published>2005-11-22T01:38:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-22T01:38:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Enjoyed this post, Ron.You should say more about t...</title><summary type='text'>Enjoyed this post, Ron.&lt;BR/&gt;You should say more about the reading habits of poets...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;-jeremy</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113264149304144576'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113264149304144576'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132641480000#c113264149304144576' title=''/><author><name>Jehza</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09527708835511076143</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-355639647"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 22, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113263279372100313</id><published>2005-11-21T23:13:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T23:13:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>also,I had a strange experience with Ashbery once....</title><summary type='text'>also,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I had a strange experience with Ashbery once. The love of my life broke up with me, and the ONLY thing that could make me feel better was reading Ashbery -- the poems in convex mirror. there was a kind of sadness in the lines that I really picked up on then, that I hadn&#39;t earlier. They were just so strangely comforting. I&#39;ve always wondered about that effect.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think some </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113263279372100313'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113263279372100313'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132632780000#c113263279372100313' title=''/><author><name>steve in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113263195169803426</id><published>2005-11-21T22:59:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T22:59:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>It actually does not sound like a very good way of...</title><summary type='text'>It actually does not sound like a very good way of reading to me; and the word &quot;phenomenological&quot; is misused in the fifth paragraph. Phenomenology traces, in careful detail, the constitution of intentional objects through their constituting and recognitive mental processes. It is a slow careful process; not a quick scanning, and is also fundamentally reflexive. What is decribed might be better </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113263195169803426'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113263195169803426'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132631940000#c113263195169803426' title=''/><author><name>steve  in taipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113262964519168337</id><published>2005-11-21T22:20:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T22:20:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Yes, Gene Kelly, Ron, Garrison Keillor and Ted Koo...</title><summary type='text'>Yes, Gene Kelly, Ron, Garrison Keillor and Ted Kooser out for a night in Harlem after listening to a poetry reading by the Shadow.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Phyllis McGinley at the Apollo, already drunk, with a shiv in her&lt;BR/&gt;purse ready for action after being aquired about by a drunken John Ashbery.  Ted Kooser sees Sammy Davis Jr. at the other table.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Mention Tweety bird in a bad mood and you have an </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113262964519168337'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113262964519168337'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132629600000#c113262964519168337' title=''/><author><name>joe green</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12257285616529795340</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1849826838"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113262882465445836</id><published>2005-11-21T22:07:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-11-21T22:07:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Hell, we could use some of that light verse mojo. ...</title><summary type='text'>Hell, we could use some of that light verse mojo. Phyllis McGinley&#39;s verse, for example, worth more than all the usual chat about &quot;safe&quot; verse and the daring of the other elite. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The Manhattan of Dreams!</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113262882465445836'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113254092466989091/comments/default/113262882465445836'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html?showComment=1132628820000#c113262882465445836' title=''/><author><name>joe green</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12257285616529795340</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/11/band-buttersprites-all-wearing-dirndls.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113254092466989091' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113254092466989091' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1849826838"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 21, 2005"/></entry></feed>