<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post113436446473770544..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>34</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113508030422108120</id><published>2005-12-20T07:05:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-20T07:05:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>what is supoosed to be the connection betwen the f...</title><summary type='text'>what is supoosed to be the connection betwen the first quote from the novelist Connel and teh one from CD Wright?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;the first seems to me absolutley terrible, full of  cliches, really awful. Wrights is far superior, though she has a totally conventional view of &quot;poetry&quot;; she writes &quot;poetry&quot; and knows exactly what it si and should be and can be &quot;in these our times&quot;. but it seems to me these</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113508030422108120'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113508030422108120'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1135080300000#c113508030422108120' title=''/><author><name>steveintaipei</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 20, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113481300679876920</id><published>2005-12-17T04:50:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-17T04:50:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I agree that lilac&#39;s comments are incomprehensilbe...</title><summary type='text'>I agree that lilac&#39;s comments are incomprehensilbe. But her comments always are [to me]. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It is true that RS enthusiastically about certain things. generously? i&#39;m not sure.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;He always has an agenda, however, I think.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113481300679876920'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113481300679876920'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134813000000#c113481300679876920' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 17, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113471870715062270</id><published>2005-12-16T02:38:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-16T02:38:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>simon-Sounds reasonable. Thanks for responding.lil...</title><summary type='text'>simon-&lt;BR/&gt;Sounds reasonable. Thanks for responding.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;lilac -&lt;BR/&gt;I failed to see the &quot;male egotism&quot; in that sentence you isolated. Are you offended because he talked about his own reading habits? Or because he compared a female poet to a female poet? (Is it impossible that he just likes multiple female poets?)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;everybody -&lt;BR/&gt;Given that most of what Ron seems to do here is speak</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113471870715062270'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113471870715062270'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134718680000#c113471870715062270' title=''/><author><name>dc</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 16, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113462781086517201</id><published>2005-12-15T01:23:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-15T01:23:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Dear lilac:&quot;It is good to appreciate a gender spec...</title><summary type='text'>Dear lilac:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;It is good to appreciate a gender specific poet (a girl) in such a way.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It sure is.  I&#39;m glad I&#39;m gender-specific too, because CD looks like a a very pretty lady.  Maybe I&#39;ll meet her in Providence one day and strike up a conversation.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;(wink)</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113462781086517201'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113462781086517201'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134627780000#c113462781086517201' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 15, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113461941506072811</id><published>2005-12-14T23:03:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-14T23:03:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I&#39;ll say before I know the above...because really,...</title><summary type='text'>I&#39;ll say before I know the above...because really, this is one of the best reviews of something I&#39;ve seen here so far.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;First..she is older.  You know in Jorge Luis Borges&#39; The Sand of Time...he looks like the same old Borges but the editor of the collection admits that it is the work of a much more mature Borges..a completed Borges if you will.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It is good to appreciate a gender </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113461941506072811'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113461941506072811'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134619380000#c113461941506072811' title=''/><author><name>Lady Jane</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04555982712708881025</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1542572767"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113460476669419400</id><published>2005-12-14T18:59:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-14T18:59:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Hot damn -- one is grateful that Curtis is still k...</title><summary type='text'>Hot damn -- one is grateful that Curtis is still kicking!</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113460476669419400'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113460476669419400'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134604740000#c113460476669419400' title=''/><author><name>joe green</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12257285616529795340</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1849826838"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113460388816212271</id><published>2005-12-14T18:44:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-14T18:44:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>People get very exercised by labels and &quot;camps&quot;. F...</title><summary type='text'>People get very exercised by labels and &quot;camps&quot;. Fact is, people who write read, and they have tastes. It&#39;s like on amazon, &quot;people who liked X also bought Y.&quot; Take it or leave it. Does it define the unique consciousness behind an authentic poem? No. Does it help when discussing a poet to refer to people who sound -- even on a superficial level -- like her? Sure, a little. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Taking it too</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113460388816212271'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113460388816212271'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134603840000#c113460388816212271' title=''/><author><name>Simon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03035545713190516583</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1104587410"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113459919700086010</id><published>2005-12-14T17:26:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-14T17:26:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Hi Pete and various anon,re: the campsI had writte...</title><summary type='text'>Hi Pete and various anon,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;re: the camps&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I had written some on this topic last year and I appreciate the discussion now. Saying something new and challenging can shift the paradigm for the best, and I read your comments not as adversarial or divisive but instead offering a genuinely other POV. Unfortunately, shifting the paradigm is sometimes not desirous to those benefited most </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113459919700086010'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113459919700086010'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134599160000#c113459919700086010' title=''/><author><name>Michael Hoerman</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113458752726453417</id><published>2005-12-14T14:12:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-14T14:12:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Things that areAre changed upon the blue guitar.St...</title><summary type='text'>Things that are&lt;BR/&gt;Are changed upon the blue guitar.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Strum.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Slinger, I said, as he carefully folded his glove to make his knock, &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;clue me in to the utter of the nth.  I&#39;s so blinded by unreason that my bowels is all a-quake.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;How shall I distinguish the true from the fake?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Youse got to look under the feathers,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;he replied,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;to discern</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113458752726453417'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113458752726453417'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134587520000#c113458752726453417' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113458033259503915</id><published>2005-12-14T12:12:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-14T12:12:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Here&#39;s a fine answer from a Joe of the kind Curtis...</title><summary type='text'>Here&#39;s a fine answer from a Joe of the kind Curtis digs.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The panoramic view of Wallace Stevens’ wake was easy to imagine even in advance.&lt;BR/&gt;Aging gentlemen with the same silver manes and Florida tans.&lt;BR/&gt;The blue guitar.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One could one see the florists of Queens delivering six-foot displays designed&lt;BR/&gt; as a martini glass, a racehorse, a royal flush or a Cuban cigar.&lt;BR/&gt;The </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113458033259503915'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113458033259503915'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134580320000#c113458033259503915' title=''/><author><name>joe green</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12257285616529795340</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1849826838"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113457836496007369</id><published>2005-12-14T11:39:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-14T11:39:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;It&#39;s important for people to realize that the div...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;It&#39;s important for people to realize that the division of the world is not between poetry and avant-garde or some other kind of always alreadly labled poetry, but rather between two (or, in fact, more) kinds of poetry, and that there is no such thing as poetry without a kind. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The writers who Steve Burt &amp; others have termed the elliptical writers -- CD, Ann Lauterbach, Forrest Gander --</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113457836496007369'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113457836496007369'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134578340000#c113457836496007369' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113457224847717513</id><published>2005-12-14T09:57:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-14T09:57:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron has attempted several times to lay out the cam...</title><summary type='text'>Ron has attempted several times to lay out the camps of style that differentiate SoQu from avant and post-avant, though the critical materials to back up those distinctions can get a little blurry.  In his defense, I don&#39;t know that anyone has yet done it adequately.  Is it worth doing?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The interesting part is to try to understand how to fit various writers in history--in the 20th </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113457224847717513'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113457224847717513'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134572220000#c113457224847717513' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113454704889695908</id><published>2005-12-14T02:57:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-14T02:57:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>dc -- well, I&#39;m not Ron, but from my position, the...</title><summary type='text'>dc -- well, I&#39;m not Ron, but from my position, the &quot;post-avant&quot; term was coined to describe people adopting styles of writing that in a previous era might have been called avant garde, but at the same time consciously avoiding any of the grand and sweeping manifestos or claims to universality associated with previous avant garde movements.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;YMMV.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113454704889695908'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113454704889695908'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134547020000#c113454704889695908' title=''/><author><name>Simon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03035545713190516583</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1104587410"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113454255096118407</id><published>2005-12-14T01:42:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-14T01:42:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Anonymous - Ron said that because your original co...</title><summary type='text'>Anonymous - Ron said that because your original comment was particularly unpleasant. This comment box is a place for debate, yes, but you seem to be attempting armed combat.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ron - I&#39;m a bit more curious about the term &quot;post-avant,&quot; which seems to be nearly ubiquitous now. I don&#39;t understand the difference in implication of this term and the term &quot;avant garde.&quot; Are they two different </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113454255096118407'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113454255096118407'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134542520000#c113454255096118407' title=''/><author><name>dc</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113453697478532454</id><published>2005-12-14T00:09:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-14T00:09:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>dear RSfirst of all i dont understand what you mea...</title><summary type='text'>dear RS&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;first of all i dont understand what you mean by saying you can see why teh comment was annonymous.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;in the nature of things, that would not be someting you could see. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;you speak of mainstream verse, but do not define what you mean by that. you speak of historical coneections, but this is equaly vague, and in any case beside the point; since my question dealt with</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113453697478532454'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113453697478532454'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134536940000#c113453697478532454' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 14, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113452251568838098</id><published>2005-12-13T20:08:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-13T20:08:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>We still stand at the relative beginning of a peri...</title><summary type='text'>We still stand at the relative beginning of a period of experimentation whose near-terms developments are difficult to predict.  It&#39;s been less than a century, after all, since the birth of psychology, linguistics and the philosophy of language, computer language, atonal music, abstract expression in the plastic arts, the new media including radio, TV and the Internet, non-syntactic verbal </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113452251568838098'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113452251568838098'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134522480000#c113452251568838098' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113451820804809820</id><published>2005-12-13T18:56:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-13T18:56:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>The ...problem... that I have with Ron&#39;s approach ...</title><summary type='text'>The ...problem... that I have with Ron&#39;s approach to this weblog isn&#39;t the hyperbole (hyperbole is necessary and useful (well, perhaps it&#39;s just easy...but this is a blog, remember) to make people interested in what you&#39;re saying, and create in them a response, be it positive, negative, or, that one which is hoped-for: to go out and buy a book or journal or magazine).  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The ...problem...</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113451820804809820'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113451820804809820'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134518160000#c113451820804809820' title=''/><author><name>Brett</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09958984151677722851</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1222757787"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113451045242925506</id><published>2005-12-13T16:47:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-13T16:47:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron also wrote this:&quot;It is a classic hegemon posit...</title><summary type='text'>Ron also wrote this:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;It is a classic hegemon position to have no name for whatever it is one is doing, but very specific names for everything else you want to mark as different. Thus there is Poetry Magazine, not Traditional Poetry Magazine. And there absolutely have been, and no doubt will continue to be, those who act as though there continues to be poetry and language poetry or </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113451045242925506'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113451045242925506'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134510420000#c113451045242925506' title=''/><author><name>joe green</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12257285616529795340</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1849826838"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113450962944264581</id><published>2005-12-13T16:33:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-13T16:33:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>This is direct from the E.A. Poe Society of Baltim...</title><summary type='text'>This is direct from the E.A. Poe Society of Baltimore&#39;s site, from Text: Claude Richard, &quot;Arrant Bubbles: Poe&#39;s &#39;The Angel of the Odd&#39;,&quot; Poe Newsletter, Vol. II, No. 3, October 1969, pp. 46-48.]:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;Tuckerman should also be remembered as the editor of a literary journal who rejected &quot;The Tell-Tale Heart&quot; with the following commentary: &quot;If Mr. Poe would condescend to furnish more quiet </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113450962944264581'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113450962944264581'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134509580000#c113450962944264581' title=''/><author><name>James</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/14066844450420389687</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-564976163"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113450014765222335</id><published>2005-12-13T13:55:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-13T13:55:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Pete:I am the anon who mentioned scholarly apparat...</title><summary type='text'>Pete:&lt;BR/&gt;I am the anon who mentioned scholarly apparatus, not the one who mentioned &quot;soQ&quot; as a slur. (although I&#39;d like to say to that anon that Ron certainly has defined it numerous times on this blog). And, I can see how this anon business is getting to be an inconvenience.  Nevertheless, my comment wasn&#39;t directed toward you, but towards Curtis&#39;s &quot;serious&quot; remark.  I agree with you on the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113450014765222335'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113450014765222335'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134500100000#c113450014765222335' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113449479744065595</id><published>2005-12-13T12:26:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-13T12:26:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>The categories as such are pretty meaningless and ...</title><summary type='text'>The categories as such are pretty meaningless and are applied ideologically. So what&#39;s new? Nothing. Necessary? Maybe -- if one wants to write against prevailing attitudes embodied in this or that place that creates ways for poets to be known, get university jobs and so on. But, really, there are poems that are dull and poems that are not. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Explicating why some poems are exciting -- are </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113449479744065595'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113449479744065595'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134494760000#c113449479744065595' title=''/><author><name>joe green</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12257285616529795340</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1849826838"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113449454703330199</id><published>2005-12-13T12:22:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-13T12:22:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'></title><summary type='text'>This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113449454703330199'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113449454703330199'/><author><name>joe green</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12257285616529795340</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name='blogger.contentRemoved' value='true'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1849826838"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113448654896464611</id><published>2005-12-13T10:09:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-13T10:09:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I can see why that comment was anonymous. SoQ is n...</title><summary type='text'>I can see why that comment was anonymous. SoQ is not a slur, but a term chosen to reinforce not only the historical connections between &quot;mainstream&quot; American verse and its predecessors who share a sense that American literature is a tributary of British letters. Term itself was chosen &amp; first used by Edgar Allan Poe in 1844. But naming &lt;B&gt;is&lt;/B&gt; important. It&#39;s important for people to realize </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113448654896464611'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113448654896464611'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134486540000#c113448654896464611' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113448368921079214</id><published>2005-12-13T09:21:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-13T09:21:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>in what way is cd wright&#39;s stuff not school of qui...</title><summary type='text'>in what way is cd wright&#39;s stuff not school of quietude, [a term -- it&#39;s not a term actually but a slur label, but even as such it&#39;s never been defined. I believe RS is incapable of doing so and I believe that he also cannot explain the difference between wright and the quietists.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113448368921079214'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113448368921079214'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134483660000#c113448368921079214' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 13, 2005"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113444245285526817</id><published>2005-12-12T21:54:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-12-12T21:54:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>jesus, i just spent some time responding to everyo...</title><summary type='text'>jesus, i just spent some time responding to everyone and i just lost it somehow so i&#39;ll type this again very quickly.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;i stand by my intial post.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;andy, i ain&#39;t saying poems can&#39;t change your life. i&#39;m just saying if you say that stuff all the time you&#39;re going to undercut the value of such a statement.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;i agree with your post curtis, though i&#39;m not anon and signed my name</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113444245285526817'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/113436446473770544/comments/default/113444245285526817'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html?showComment=1134442440000#c113444245285526817' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/12/when-i-first-glanced-at-c.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-113436446473770544' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/113436446473770544' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-846577922"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="December 12, 2005"/></entry></feed>