<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post114829834014108440..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>22</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114844061969568519</id><published>2006-05-23T23:16:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-23T23:16:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Hi Ron, I think this post is really interesting. I...</title><summary type='text'>Hi Ron, I think this post is really interesting. I&#39;m particularly taken with your (I think accurate) way of bringing out the &quot;sense of constant &amp; frenetic motion&quot; in Olson&#39;s work. This is my favorite thing about his writing and the way in which he reads it.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This essay interests me in terms of the kinds of distinctions it is making, and how far one can carry those. It particularly </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114844061969568519'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114844061969568519'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148440560000#c114844061969568519' title=''/><author><name>Tim Peterson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04933998770428587146</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1753046145"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114842836039873886</id><published>2006-05-23T19:52:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-23T19:52:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron, Thanks. Now that I understand, your point abo...</title><summary type='text'>Ron, &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thanks. Now that I understand, your point about anticipation is VERY interesting, and I will look at the Field book.  I just now reread your original post--and coming across Olson&#39;s phrase &quot;smothering of the power of the line&quot;--for apparently the FIRST time I realized  that &quot;smother&quot; is a word about breath!</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114842836039873886'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114842836039873886'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148428320000#c114842836039873886' title=''/><author><name>Stephen Baraban</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09637400683517160112</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-290229728"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114841793328254264</id><published>2006-05-23T16:58:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-23T16:58:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Stephen,&quot;Anticipated&quot; not in the sense that he ant...</title><summary type='text'>Stephen,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;Anticipated&quot; not in the sense that he anticipated the fact that the Bon people of Tibet were already meditating when the Buddhist came north from India, but rather that this was written well ahead of the advance of most Buddhist (in particular) popularizations in the west. Think of Suzuki Roshi in San Francisco, or Gary Snyder &amp; Frederic Spielberg &amp; their impact -- that all </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114841793328254264'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114841793328254264'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148417880000#c114841793328254264' title=''/><author><name>Ron</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09250950725876683923</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-660918411"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114837179061406059</id><published>2006-05-23T04:09:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-23T04:09:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I love Kirby&#39;s bit above, and Curtis&#39; a bit below ...</title><summary type='text'>I love Kirby&#39;s bit above, and Curtis&#39; a bit below that. It&#39;s pleasing when somebody else professes their love of those late Maximii--most people don&#39;t seem to pay much attention to them. Maybe they&#39;re deterred by having been bowled over for so many pages. Though I think there&#39;s more than &quot;mere rhetoric&quot; in vols. I&amp;II... plenty of bare statistics about cod, for example.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114837179061406059'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114837179061406059'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148371740000#c114837179061406059' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114835936107312587</id><published>2006-05-23T00:42:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-23T00:42:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Oh, and that&#39;s a wonderful photo Ron found--just t...</title><summary type='text'>Oh, and that&#39;s a wonderful photo Ron found--just terrific, that grimace!</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114835936107312587'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114835936107312587'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148359320000#c114835936107312587' title=''/><author><name>Stephen Baraban</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09637400683517160112</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-290229728"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 23, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114835461122101872</id><published>2006-05-22T23:23:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T23:23:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>And of course the Chinese Taoist alchemy of The Se...</title><summary type='text'>And of course the Chinese Taoist alchemy of &lt;I&gt;The Secret of the Golden Flower&lt;/I&gt; is all over Olson&#39;s later work.  But it&#39;s the evidently very-much-discredited translation by Wilhelm (with intro by Jung)  that he read that we have to read to follow him.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114835461122101872'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114835461122101872'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148354580000#c114835461122101872' title=''/><author><name>Stephen Baraban</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09637400683517160112</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-290229728"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114835394738170021</id><published>2006-05-22T23:12:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T23:12:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The clear fact that Olson wasn&#39;t oriented towards ...</title><summary type='text'>The clear fact that Olson wasn&#39;t oriented towards achieving Mellowness through Eastern religions was beautifully stated in his pronouncement that he &quot;hated mantras, mandalas, and symmetry&quot;.  This is something that he said in one of his class lectures at the University of Connecticut at Storrs, in the last year of his life.  The statement can be found in Charles Boer&#39;s remarkable memoir &lt;I&gt;Olson </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114835394738170021'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114835394738170021'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148353920000#c114835394738170021' title=''/><author><name>Stephen Baraban</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09637400683517160112</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-290229728"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114834291861663244</id><published>2006-05-22T20:08:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T20:08:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>And why in God&#39;s name is this Creely&#39;s dictumThe “...</title><summary type='text'>And why in God&#39;s name is this Creely&#39;s dictum&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The “simplicities” are, as I read them, three underlying dynamics, true of all poetry (or so he claims), the second being the most famous, Creeley’s dictum: “FORM IS NEVER MORE THAN AN EXTENSION OF CONTENT.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;when it is just what every undergraduate used to learn as one of the big ideas of Romanticism?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;The unity of form and </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114834291861663244'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114834291861663244'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148342880000#c114834291861663244' title=''/><author><name>joe green</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12257285616529795340</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1849826838"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114834183695927642</id><published>2006-05-22T19:50:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T19:50:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;Olson’s prose, not unlike his verse, perpetually ...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;Olson’s prose, not unlike his verse, perpetually twists &amp; turns, rushing propulsively forward, often sounding quite breathless in the process.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This linear quality of the rushing forward which characterizes most of Olson&#39;s earlier verse, is missing in the third section of Maximus, where a kind of fourth dimension--super-consciousness of time, locus and meaning--lifts his writing out of </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114834183695927642'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114834183695927642'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148341800000#c114834183695927642' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114834139874692106</id><published>2006-05-22T19:43:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T19:43:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Flowers for Olson&#39;s &quot;Pink&quot;..thoughtform mandconi t...</title><summary type='text'>Flowers for Olson&#39;s &quot;Pink&quot;..&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;thoughtform mandconi &lt;BR/&gt;tentarey us ourpro &lt;BR/&gt;blemi atam enerfi &lt;BR/&gt;gyanti dinergon yisteron&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;fi behelva Vetullkalem&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;poems are mostly like&lt;BR/&gt;the frankenstein&lt;BR/&gt;who talks with little girls&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;or the little girl&lt;BR/&gt;who gave birth&lt;BR/&gt;to frankenstein&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;how many savant-popocalyptick poets&lt;BR/&gt;does it take to describe &lt;BR/&gt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114834139874692106'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114834139874692106'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148341380000#c114834139874692106' title=''/><author><name>phaneronoemikon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08430230355065457354</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1411460047"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114833453796583148</id><published>2006-05-22T17:48:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T17:48:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The general trend to think in terms of energy fiel...</title><summary type='text'>The general trend to think in terms of energy fields in the physics of that period (something I don&#39;t understand) is something that I think Olson was drawing metaphors from, as he was trying to draw metaphors from Whitehead&#39;s process theology, and elsewhere.  But what use is quantum electrodynamics, Einstein field equations, spacetime, 26 dimensions (esp. when we can only perceive 4), topological</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114833453796583148'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114833453796583148'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148334480000#c114833453796583148' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114832166683634644</id><published>2006-05-22T14:14:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T14:14:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Well, he probably did anticipate the business moti...</title><summary type='text'>Well, he probably &lt;I&gt;did&lt;/I&gt; anticipate the business motivational speaker. In any case, BMS&#39;s like Tom Peters construct their whole high-energy, &quot;cannibalize yourself as fast as possible&quot; act on countercultural scaffolding, quite explicitly referencing musicians and poets the speaker and his (not, usually, her) audience liked in their &#39;60&#39;s days. Sort of like &quot;your past is a high-energy construct</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114832166683634644'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114832166683634644'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148321640000#c114832166683634644' title=''/><author><name>andy gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00797822725132844348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1436621432"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114832113457699878</id><published>2006-05-22T14:05:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T14:05:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;A poem is energy transferred from where the poet ...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;A poem is energy transferred from where the poet got it (he will have some several causations), by way of the poem itself to, all the way over to, the reader. Okay. Then the poem itself, must, at all points, be a high-energy construct and, at all points, an energy discharge.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Hello, this idea hasn&#39;t been much taken up in Olson because it is right out of Pound and Williams. You </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114832113457699878'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114832113457699878'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148321100000#c114832113457699878' title=''/><author><name>csperez</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12750899028081321109</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1479745132"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114831575559179382</id><published>2006-05-22T12:35:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T12:35:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Well, this is news that stays news in the very Ame...</title><summary type='text'>Well, this is news that stays news in the very American sense of discovering what has always been said and announcing it as the latest news.  Exciting if never heard before and taken (see Curtis above) as news directed against poets these days and so always useful.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;That antient electrical connection between words has always been there and remarked upon as what gives the mojo to verse.&lt;BR</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114831575559179382'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114831575559179382'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148315700000#c114831575559179382' title=''/><author><name>joe green</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12257285616529795340</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1849826838"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114831028726345733</id><published>2006-05-22T11:04:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T11:04:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>at Bread Loaf, a zillion years ago, I heard John F...</title><summary type='text'>at Bread Loaf, a zillion years ago, I heard John Frederick Nims (can&#39;t get much more SoQ than that--former Poetry Mag editor)described poetry as a &quot;high energy discharge&quot; and &quot;energy transfered.&quot;  Granted, he didn&#39;t include &quot;OKAY,&quot; but that omission shouldn&#39;t be cause to make the claim that Olson&#39;s notion has been overlooked.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114831028726345733'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114831028726345733'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148310240000#c114831028726345733' title=''/><author><name>spicergirl</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08352927433529226485</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-256451819"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114830984881640248</id><published>2006-05-22T10:57:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T10:57:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;get on with it, keep moving, keep in, speed, the ...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;get on with it, keep moving, keep in, speed, the nerves, their speed, the perceptions, theirs, the acts, the split-second acts, keep it moving as fast as you can, citizen,&quot; says Olson.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Hindus call this &quot;MONKEY MIND,&quot; and it&#39;s major hindrance to any sort of meditation.  Perhaps it&#39;s a bit closer to Buddhist mindfulness--at least in its understanding of mind.  BUT, in what way does Olson </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114830984881640248'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114830984881640248'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148309820000#c114830984881640248' title=''/><author><name>myshkin2</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12334340208396536106</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-16179833"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114830756720058835</id><published>2006-05-22T10:19:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T10:19:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>ye</title><summary type='text'>ye</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114830756720058835'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114830756720058835'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148307540000#c114830756720058835' title=''/><author><name>Rachel C Miller</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08179820532945457461</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-569077832"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114830565391571617</id><published>2006-05-22T09:47:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T09:47:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>You do know Pinsky&#39;s slim volume on poetics from F...</title><summary type='text'>You do know Pinsky&#39;s slim volume on poetics from FSG, right? The one where he asserts that the medium of poetry is not thought or words but the column of air moving in the poet&#39;s body as he or she recites the poem?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114830565391571617'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114830565391571617'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148305620000#c114830565391571617' title=''/><author><name>Jordan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10451174274596699645</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1484709122"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114830417658655376</id><published>2006-05-22T09:22:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T09:22:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I think Ron&#39;s referring to the fact that so few po...</title><summary type='text'>I think Ron&#39;s referring to the fact that so few poets build an energetic, electric connectivity between words into their work.  So much poetry these days is prosaic, which is to say mild reportage.  Who today has as much muscle in their line as--say--Hopkins, or Olson, or Vallejo?  It&#39;s a kind of excess, but if verse isn&#39;t a kind of jagged music, it can deteriorate into slack prose.  A quick take</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114830417658655376'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114830417658655376'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148304120000#c114830417658655376' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114830320505403139</id><published>2006-05-22T09:06:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T09:06:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Of course I was wondering, when Ron speaks of &quot;ene...</title><summary type='text'>Of course I was wondering, when Ron speaks of &quot;energy transferred&quot;, how the jockey for Barbero had to transfer the energy, pull up on the momentum, from the horse to his own physicality (?).&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Not a metaphor as Rosmarie Waldrop takes pains to point out, but contiguity.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;At that critical moment when the horse is pure energy and adrenaline, is approaching the critical mass of </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114830320505403139'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114830320505403139'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148303160000#c114830320505403139' title=''/><author><name>Arlee Christian</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08200416510821299942</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-551028600"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114830304626387659</id><published>2006-05-22T09:04:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T09:04:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I&#39;m curious, Ron, as to why you think this definit...</title><summary type='text'>I&#39;m curious, Ron, as to why you think this definition of the poem as &quot;high energy construct&quot; is one of the most overlooked claims in recent poetic history. When I teach poetry, at all levels, it is precisely what I stress, whether or not I am teaching Olson. For Olson&#39;s own work, it seems impossible not to center on this definition as a way of understanding the movement of the poem, particularly </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114830304626387659'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114830304626387659'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148303040000#c114830304626387659' title=''/><author><name>charles</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/17755539859187388186</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1572908172"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114830187119468625</id><published>2006-05-22T08:44:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-22T08:44:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I myself was wondering about &quot;energy transferred&quot; ...</title><summary type='text'>I myself was wondering about &quot;energy transferred&quot; just this weekend. Perhaps similar to poetry (does this comparison work?), the nature of the horse (energy!) and the terrible probability that a champion, such as&lt;BR/&gt;Barbero, (let alone Olson or Pound as extreme examples) could simply never adjust to the absolute end of his career.  In other words, the psychology of the injury probably will end </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114830187119468625'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/114829834014108440/comments/default/114830187119468625'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html?showComment=1148301840000#c114830187119468625' title=''/><author><name>Arlee Christian</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08200416510821299942</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/05/breathe-say-all-manner-of-meditators.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-114829834014108440' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/114829834014108440' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-551028600"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 22, 2006"/></entry></feed>