<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post116315804511335134..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>41</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116360707912580538</id><published>2006-11-15T11:11:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-15T11:11:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>If we are going to go 19th century, I&#39;d think Whit...</title><summary type='text'>If we are going to go 19th century, I&#39;d think Whitman&#39;s &lt;I&gt;Song of Myself&lt;/I&gt; and Longfellow&#39;s &lt;I&gt;The Song of Hiawatha&lt;/I&gt; would be iconic.  In the 20th century, I&#39;d throw in Hart Crane&#39;s &lt;I&gt;The Bridge&lt;/I&gt;.  I know some civil engineers who swear by that one.  Since &lt;I&gt;Howl&lt;/I&gt; though, I think there are too many poems and too many poets, and poetry has diversified to an extent that there is no one</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116360707912580538'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116360707912580538'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163607060000#c116360707912580538' title=''/><author><name>speterme</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/15418310802340579561</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-326822307"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 15, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116360152249933247</id><published>2006-11-15T09:38:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-15T09:38:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Je ne mange pas ce pain-la, as Peret put on his to...</title><summary type='text'>Je ne mange pas ce pain-la, as Peret put on his tombstone, if I recall correctly.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116360152249933247'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116360152249933247'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163601480000#c116360152249933247' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 15, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116355367905467741</id><published>2006-11-14T20:21:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-14T20:21:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;I will get you through your children&quot; -- Ginsberg...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;I will get you through your children&quot; -- Ginsberg to Norman Podhoretz&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Even if in the &quot;real world&quot; few if any know Ginsberg&#39;s work, almost every person working in academia does.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Certainly every person in every English department does.  And I would argue that for them, the poem is iconic.  It encapsulates the beliefs of everyone from Ward Churchill to Marjorie Perloff.  And </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116355367905467741'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116355367905467741'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163553660000#c116355367905467741' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 14, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116347183236562380</id><published>2006-11-13T21:37:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-13T21:37:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Kirby, if anything can be said to have &quot;derailed c...</title><summary type='text'>Kirby, if anything can be said to have &quot;derailed civilization&quot; it certainly could not be said of the post-War American poets.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The forces that have brought us to our present impasse were seeded centuries ago, and the chaotic consequences of fragmentation, cultural alienation, and widespread mischief are not attributable to the idle meditations of Gay poets.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Despite his </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116347183236562380'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116347183236562380'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163471820000#c116347183236562380' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116344804043192636</id><published>2006-11-13T15:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-13T15:00:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>A bit strange judgemental,  rather self-righteous,...</title><summary type='text'>A bit strange judgemental,  rather self-righteous, the statement, not backed-up by any evidence J&#39;e know of, that A. G. went to &quot;molest their children.&quot; Beside which one can say, since thou speak of persons in mention of ikons, that the &#39;gospel&#39; de st johnny is a text which promote hate to others, whatever that other be, be it jew, woman, kid, pederast , lesbian, any that don&#39;t fit with Calvin (</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116344804043192636'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116344804043192636'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163448000000#c116344804043192636' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-905966876"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116344638685565779</id><published>2006-11-13T14:33:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-13T14:33:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I believe Joe Green&#39;s &quot;Insect Clerks of Nieman Mar...</title><summary type='text'>I believe Joe Green&#39;s &quot;Insect Clerks of Nieman Marcus&quot; to be such an &#39;iconic&#39; poem.  It occupies what one might call the &#39;middle pole&#39;, much as you&#39;d find in certain, more elegant strip clubs.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;When I was young, and my mother would take me with her to Bullock&#39;s or the May Co., I always wondered what the significance of those odd chimes, somehow audible above the din of pre-Christmas </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116344638685565779'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116344638685565779'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163446380000#c116344638685565779' title=''/><author><name>Karykeion</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10575265082523757745</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-189835782"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 13, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116339302906269748</id><published>2006-11-12T23:43:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-12T23:43:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>michaelf -- I agree about the role of devotees in ...</title><summary type='text'>michaelf -- I agree about the role of devotees in making an icon, but we&#39;re talking here about public icons -- such as, for example, the Crucifix.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116339302906269748'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116339302906269748'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163392980000#c116339302906269748' title=''/><author><name>John</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10346667118243205070</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1530025638"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 12, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116335801621865931</id><published>2006-11-12T14:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-12T14:00:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>john et al - why &#39;popular&#39;? .. the logic then wd b...</title><summary type='text'>john et al - why &#39;popular&#39;? .. the logic then wd be that the crucifix is an icon rather than a statue (tho sometimes the crucifix is a statue .. isnt the meaning of an icon made by its devotees?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116335801621865931'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116335801621865931'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163358000000#c116335801621865931' title=''/><author><name>michaelf</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03896092358881060164</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-107943565"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 12, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116335417491454095</id><published>2006-11-12T12:56:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-12T12:56:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I think the two poles of Ron&#39;s Poetry are to the r...</title><summary type='text'>I think the two poles of Ron&#39;s Poetry are &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;to the right -- quietism&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;to the left -- activism&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ginsberg&#39;s ode to a world that he saw badly in need of NAMBLIFICATION is an iconic signal to a counterculture that derailed the entire civilization.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Icons have to be meaningful to a culture.  Ginsberg&#39;s Howl is meaningful to a counterculture that he himself helped to </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116335417491454095'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116335417491454095'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163354160000#c116335417491454095' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 12, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116331046546916126</id><published>2006-11-12T00:47:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-12T00:47:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>An icon is a sacred synecdoche in physical form; f...</title><summary type='text'>An icon is a sacred synecdoche in physical form; for the purposes of this discussion, an iconic poem would be one that &quot;stands in&quot; for a popular conception of what poetry is.  In which case, I think Ron is right:  there hasn&#39;t been an iconic poem since &quot;Howl.&quot;  If any book since then could be called iconic, I would nominate The Nuyorican Poets&#39; Cafe anthology &quot;Aloud!&quot;, but I don&#39;t think any poem </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116331046546916126'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116331046546916126'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163310420000#c116331046546916126' title=''/><author><name>John</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10346667118243205070</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1530025638"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 12, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116328403373894066</id><published>2006-11-11T17:27:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-11T17:27:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ombilic, Pound valorizes exactly that: verse made ...</title><summary type='text'>Ombilic, Pound valorizes exactly that: verse made to sing, in this passage.  Read it again.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The other kinds do exist, but they aren&#39;t worth believing in, as Pound says.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#39;m just describing what Pound said.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I personally do not believe that music has any right to exist outside of a Lutheran church.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#39;m not saying it should be outlawed or anything. It&#39;s just that </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116328403373894066'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116328403373894066'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163284020000#c116328403373894066' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116328247858418445</id><published>2006-11-11T17:01:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-11T17:01:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>i think of bishops &#39;one art&#39; esp. the line about l...</title><summary type='text'>i think of bishops &#39;one art&#39; esp. the line about losing a country - of course in her case it wasnt a disaster - b/w waste:land &amp; h=o=w=l was thomas &#39;do not go gentle .. &#39; &#39;the day lady died&#39; has resonance beyond its immediate subject too .. &#39;my life&#39; is known here but not &#39;sentences&#39; (if resonance beyond borders is some kind of definition) .. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;in australia i wd say perhaps 4: patersons &#39;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116328247858418445'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116328247858418445'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163282460000#c116328247858418445' title=''/><author><name>michaelf</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03896092358881060164</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-107943565"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116325906151031277</id><published>2006-11-11T10:31:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-11T10:31:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron writes:&quot;How iconic can The Waste Land if nobod...</title><summary type='text'>Ron writes:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;How iconic can &lt;B&gt;The Waste Land&lt;/B&gt; if nobody knows how to do its title properly?&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;B&gt;The Waste Land&lt;/B&gt; very iconic can. On and on.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;How much it&#39;s still an aural entity.&lt;BR/&gt;(Does anyone else hear the blank verse here?)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The space between the capitals is not a unity. London, San Francisco, Black Mountain, New York, NBC, FOX.... &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Wish it&#39;d </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116325906151031277'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116325906151031277'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163259060000#c116325906151031277' title=''/><author><name>ombilic des</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03318554537326184413</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1506852026"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116325744499405368</id><published>2006-11-11T10:04:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-11T10:04:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I like your point: but what Ginsberg was doing in ...</title><summary type='text'>I like your point: but what Ginsberg was doing in Tangiers is not only illegal in the US, but rightfully so.  When you think about what&#39;s good for a community, pederasty doesn&#39;t qualify.  I have more mercy for the kids forced to sell their bodies to the Burroughs Adding Machine Co. and its minions.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116325744499405368'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116325744499405368'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163257440000#c116325744499405368' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116322275063487004</id><published>2006-11-11T00:25:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-11T00:25:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>These were some of the mindsof Ginsberg&#39;s Generati...</title><summary type='text'>These were some of the minds&lt;BR/&gt;of Ginsberg&#39;s Generation. How many of them were destroyed by madness?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;1926 - Chemistry, The Svedberg &lt;BR/&gt;           Literature, Grazia Deledda &lt;BR/&gt;           Medicine, Johannes Fibiger &lt;BR/&gt;           Peace, Aristide Briand &lt;BR/&gt;           Peace, Gustav Stresemann &lt;BR/&gt;           Physics, Jean Baptiste Perrin &lt;BR/&gt;1927 - Chemistry, Heinrich Wieland &lt;BR/</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116322275063487004'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116322275063487004'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163222700000#c116322275063487004' title=''/><author><name>phaneronoemikon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08430230355065457354</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1411460047"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 11, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116321867807381415</id><published>2006-11-10T23:17:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T23:17:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I think Howl is right if you want to restrict your...</title><summary type='text'>I think &lt;I&gt;Howl&lt;/I&gt; is right if you want to restrict yourself to the approved canon, but I do find the Grinch argument pretty persuasive. It seems like there has to be an element of pop culture presence for a poem to be &quot;iconic.&quot; &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Along those lines, I would point out that Poe&#39;s &quot;The Raven&quot; &lt;I&gt;was&lt;/I&gt; the basis for a &lt;I&gt;Simpsons&lt;/I&gt; Halloween special.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116321867807381415'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116321867807381415'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163218620000#c116321867807381415' title=''/><author><name>Natalia</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07898457401179147102</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-864892245"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116321490705924416</id><published>2006-11-10T22:15:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T22:15:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Talented poets join me at poetry site http://www.8...</title><summary type='text'>Talented poets join me at poetry site &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.8hop.com&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.8hop.com&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The best poetry community!!</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116321490705924416'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116321490705924416'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163214900000#c116321490705924416' title=''/><author><name>stormiecutie</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10873920424729621279</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-765399590"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116320978597700799</id><published>2006-11-10T20:49:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T20:49:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Speaking of urns &amp; beauty. Keats most likely had i...</title><summary type='text'>Speaking of urns &amp; beauty. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Keats most likely had it right. Beauty is measured only by its ability to express truth.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116320978597700799'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116320978597700799'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163209740000#c116320978597700799' title=''/><author><name>barnes</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/18048458442561567603</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1344149813"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116320510695823481</id><published>2006-11-10T19:31:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T19:31:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ikonic.  That kind of stirs up controversy, withou...</title><summary type='text'>Ikonic.  That kind of stirs up controversy, without inspiring any clear image.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Hearing replays of Dylan&#39;s Tambourine Man can still make my heart race and my eyes tear.  As if I had participated in something inspiring and life-affirming --which I must admit I never really did during the 1960&#39;s (except in my dreams--unless you count getting in lots of trouble with the FBI).  It&#39;s partly,</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116320510695823481'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116320510695823481'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163205060000#c116320510695823481' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116320439098715422</id><published>2006-11-10T19:19:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T19:19:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15409Thi...</title><summary type='text'>http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15409&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This is a strong poem by Ed Hirsch. It&#39;s just about the best contemporary poem in my view.  Am I wrong?  I&#39;m not sure if it&#39;s iconic in the way that a Nehru shirt would have been at a given time, or flare pants at another.  It&#39;s not fashionable.  But I think it rises above fashion, and across languages, and can speak through time in a way </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116320439098715422'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116320439098715422'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163204340000#c116320439098715422' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116320389143654656</id><published>2006-11-10T19:11:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T19:11:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>This seems to me at least to be a very powerful po...</title><summary type='text'>This seems to me at least to be a very powerful poem.  I think I&#39;ll lose the line breaks, but it&#39;s a stunner.  It&#39;s by Edward Hirsch.  To me it&#39;s one of the strongest contemporary poems that I&#39;ve read.  Ron, I don&#39;t know if you would have permission to use the poem on your blog site.  Perhaps it would be better to post a link.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In Memoriam Paul Celan   &lt;BR/&gt;by Edward Hirsch  &lt;BR</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116320389143654656'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116320389143654656'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163203860000#c116320389143654656' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116320347128165608</id><published>2006-11-10T19:04:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T19:04:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Edward Hirsch&#39;s poem on the death of Paul Celan is...</title><summary type='text'>Edward Hirsch&#39;s poem on the death of Paul Celan is electrifying.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think we have a generation of critics for whom &quot;breaking new ground&quot; is considered the reason for canonicity.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I prefer poets whose work is timeless.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I don&#39;t think for instance that the opening lines of the Gospel According to John are simply well-wrought.  Or that Shakespeare&#39;s scenes in which Lady </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116320347128165608'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116320347128165608'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163203440000#c116320347128165608' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116319619179114099</id><published>2006-11-10T17:03:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T17:03:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>according to the &#39;howl&#39; defnition the iconic poem ...</title><summary type='text'>according to the &#39;howl&#39; defnition the iconic poem for generation M = gin &amp; juice by snoop dogg&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;poetry in the high cultural sense has become so irrelevant slash unknown to the preponderance of the masses you have to go with the &#39;signature piece&#39; definition, according to which the iconic poem for Generation M will probably turn out to be the lyrics to that catchy tune from the mentos </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116319619179114099'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116319619179114099'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163196180000#c116319619179114099' title=''/><author><name>Fabian Delecto</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06212144823606055500</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1031207256"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116319538602354010</id><published>2006-11-10T16:49:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T16:49:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>J&#39;e could not but help to say He do the Howl in Di...</title><summary type='text'>J&#39;e could not but help to say He do the Howl in Different Layouts!</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116319538602354010'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116319538602354010'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163195340000#c116319538602354010' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-905966876"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116319531750357271</id><published>2006-11-10T16:48:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-11-10T16:48:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>J&#39;e pense &#39;re Famas blather&#39; it appears you chose ...</title><summary type='text'>J&#39;e pense &#39;re Famas blather&#39; it appears you chose the weaker section of a somewhat forgotten poem. even hearin&#39;the old man read that section 3x in addition to numerous listenings of audio versions . strikes ear as paleeeese, not that fingangle about holy.and dere aint nutthin moral about shouting holy when you really just mean to imitate or mime (and badly) yeats and thomas.  really. J&#39;e think </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116319531750357271'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116315804511335134/comments/default/116319531750357271'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html?showComment=1163195280000#c116319531750357271' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/11/donald-hall-all-or-ted-berrigans.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116315804511335134' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116315804511335134' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-905966876"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="November 10, 2006"/></entry></feed>