<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post116860359549878270..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>46</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116941303457343558</id><published>2007-01-21T15:57:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-21T15:57:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Is it possible that people basically have an inbor...</title><summary type='text'>Is it possible that people basically have an inborn sensibility that doesn&#39;t alter much?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I wasn&#39;t very excited about literature until I read Richard Brautigan in high school.  I still like Richard Brautigan: I mean the prose more than the poetry.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Will the people who love T.S. Eliot always love T.S. Eliot?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#39;m not sure that poetry influences an outlook.  I think rather</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116941303457343558'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116941303457343558'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1169413020000#c116941303457343558' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 21, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116935025796170974</id><published>2007-01-20T22:30:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-20T22:30:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Henry:I would like to believe that literary and ph...</title><summary type='text'>Henry:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I would like to believe that literary and philosophical differences in history don&#39;t matter, but I&#39;ve come to the conclusion that they do.  The means by which these differences influence thought and history can be very indirect, but are nonetheless effective.  Who cares whether people admire T.S. Eliot, or William Carlos Williams?  Are literary disputes important to the culture?  </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116935025796170974'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116935025796170974'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1169350200000#c116935025796170974' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 20, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116930952454063166</id><published>2007-01-20T11:12:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-20T11:12:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Art Durkee,  Thanks for this response.  Once Luthe...</title><summary type='text'>Art Durkee,  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thanks for this response.  Once Lutheran, always Lutheran, is my response in part.  You have kept the sensibility.  I noticed it right away when you started to comment.  You tell the truth.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In terms of surrealism -- it&#39;s hard to understand just where the boundaries are.  The surrealism as defined by Breton in Paris didn&#39;t always produce the great poetry it might </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116930952454063166'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116930952454063166'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1169309520000#c116930952454063166' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 20, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116924482515980124</id><published>2007-01-19T17:13:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-19T17:13:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis, I&#39;m 54, &amp; I&#39;ve been writing poetry since t...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis, I&#39;m 54, &amp; I&#39;ve been writing poetry since the 60s.  I know about the turf wars among would-be literatuses.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The difference between you &amp; me - &amp; what motivates my critiques of Ron&#39;s factionalizing - is that I truly believe it doesn&#39;t matter.  The turfs wars don&#39;t matter.  They are meaningless, useless, ignorant distractions from actual criticism and real literary experience.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116924482515980124'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116924482515980124'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1169244780000#c116924482515980124' title=''/><author><name>Henry Gould</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04783460308217456577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1417109118"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 19, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116915839894894206</id><published>2007-01-18T17:13:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-18T17:13:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Thanks, I&#39;ll check it out. Although I was raised L...</title><summary type='text'>Thanks, I&#39;ll check it out. Although I was raised Lutheran, I don&#39;t identify as such, or even as mainstream Christian, and haven&#39;t for a long time. As for Surrealism, I had my playtime in their playpen; but I&#39;ve been writing a long essay, which maybe someday I&#39;ll finish, arguing that the full flourishing of Surrealism happened not in Europe but in Latin America, with poets from Paz, Neruda, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116915839894894206'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116915839894894206'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1169158380000#c116915839894894206' title=''/><author><name>Art Durkee</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07399620147907002735</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1119200278"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 18, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116914380617631926</id><published>2007-01-18T13:10:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-18T13:10:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Henry, I think we are in fact very close.  I rejec...</title><summary type='text'>Henry, I think we are in fact very close.  I reject Ron&#39;s partisanship, but I understand where it comes from.  Is it an &quot;over&quot;-reaction?  Perhaps.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But the debate is real, and continuing.  I think you may not realize this, if you&#39;re under 35.  Throughout the 1950&#39;s, 1960&#39;s, 1970&#39;s, even certain kinds of relatively tame &quot;free verse&quot; was under heavy attack.  The schism between </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116914380617631926'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116914380617631926'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1169143800000#c116914380617631926' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 18, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116913094390345857</id><published>2007-01-18T09:35:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-18T09:35:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Art, come over to my blog and discuss Lutheran Sur...</title><summary type='text'>Art, come over to my blog and discuss Lutheran Surrealism with us.  No one knows what it is, but we&#39;ve been trying to figure it out for several years now. I was born in Clear Lake, Iowa.  (Not in the lake, but in the town.)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There IS a midwestern sensibility.  I think it has to do with barns, grain fields, flatness, Grant Wood.  It can&#39;t be recognized by either coast (I think to some </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116913094390345857'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116913094390345857'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1169130900000#c116913094390345857' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 18, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116909368079181712</id><published>2007-01-17T23:14:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-17T23:14:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;Lutheran Surrealism,&quot; that&#39;s brill!I may have bee...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;Lutheran Surrealism,&quot; that&#39;s brill!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I may have been born American, but I was raised partly in The Jewel in the Crown, i.e. a Relic of the British Empire, so I&#39;ve always been partial to British artistic product. Ot at least apparently more aware of it than many of my us peers.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Jeremy Reed and Derek jarman come to mind, as does Sujata Bhatt, among others. Bhatt&#39;s book &quot;Brunizem&quot; </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116909368079181712'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116909368079181712'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1169093640000#c116909368079181712' title=''/><author><name>Art Durkee</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07399620147907002735</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1119200278"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 17, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116898219393920414</id><published>2007-01-16T16:16:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-16T16:16:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>One of the features of this blog that I enjoy is t...</title><summary type='text'>One of the features of this blog that I enjoy is the SoQ/ post-avant binary.  Like most critical assertions of importance, it leads to a lot of protestation, with the predicable reaction that it is ‘divisive.’&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Wherever there is a literary culture, the most divisive pronouncements will inevitably accompany the act of distinguishing ‘the good’ from ‘the bad.’  Awards, academies, magazines,</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116898219393920414'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116898219393920414'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168982160000#c116898219393920414' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 16, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116888366048948554</id><published>2007-01-15T12:54:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-15T12:54:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Seamus Heaney is the Irish Maya Angelou. But: nati...</title><summary type='text'>Seamus Heaney is the Irish Maya Angelou. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But: native-born 20th century experimental poetry from the British Isles: Wilfred Owen, Keith Douglas, Robert Graves, D. H. Lawrence, George Barker, Dylan Thomas. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;lblufmr&lt;BR/&gt;teccn</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116888366048948554'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116888366048948554'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168883640000#c116888366048948554' title=''/><author><name>ombilic des</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03318554537326184413</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1506852026"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 15, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116888053828006552</id><published>2007-01-15T12:02:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-15T12:02:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I was more or less hoping for a paintball match.  ...</title><summary type='text'>I was more or less hoping for a paintball match.  This reasoned discussion stuff lacks that musk of virility television and blogs find difficult to reproduce.  I was dreaming of the impossible made real and then I noticed Ron that you agreed to disagree.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;When disagreeing poets should stick to disagreement or else they may begin to pretend they are diplomats of some poetic nation.  But </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116888053828006552'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116888053828006552'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168880520000#c116888053828006552' title=''/><author><name>Lester</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04219479023387881600</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1478288716"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 15, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116886066679516572</id><published>2007-01-15T06:31:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-15T06:31:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>The problem with Brit experimental poetry is that ...</title><summary type='text'>The problem with Brit experimental poetry is that it is actually widely appreciated by a lot of people in this country; it just hasn&#39;t had much in the way of official recognition. It&#39;s a bit like British jazz: what, you mean there are actually British jazz musicians to rival the great Americans?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Well, yes; it&#39;s just that nobody&#39;s heard of them. Joe Harriot, Micheal Garrick, Stan Tracey, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116886066679516572'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116886066679516572'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168860660000#c116886066679516572' title=''/><author><name>Steven Waling</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/12004262911484220016</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-385466981"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 15, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116883873359612847</id><published>2007-01-15T00:25:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-15T00:25:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Luther, yeah I saw Prynne&#39;s early books thirty yea...</title><summary type='text'>Luther, yeah I saw Prynne&#39;s early books thirty years ago, but never read them.  Then, two years ago, an antiquarian bookseller in Portland alerted me to the recent excitement about Prynne in the UK.  When I was in London in May of &#39;05, I picked up two copies of his collected poems at Hatchard&#39;s, but I haven&#39;t run into anyone since who seems to know about him here.  I tried to read some of it last</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116883873359612847'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116883873359612847'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168838700000#c116883873359612847' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 15, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116879222500677301</id><published>2007-01-14T11:30:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-14T11:30:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>How do you take care of children without an instit...</title><summary type='text'>How do you take care of children without an institution of some sort?  Schools, to begin with, are mandatory until 16 at least in America.  After that some 82% go on to do at least some college.  There are 6000 colleges and universities in the country and most have at least a few creative writing teachers.  It&#39;s true that there is a demand for conformity to certain characteristics within the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116879222500677301'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116879222500677301'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168792200000#c116879222500677301' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 14, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116879125738134449</id><published>2007-01-14T11:14:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-14T11:14:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I think there are always at least three groups in ...</title><summary type='text'>I think there are always at least three groups in play.  What is the not-named group that is neither SoQ nor Post-avant?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The pressure of two groups confronting one another as thesis and antithesis creates a synthesis that is neither the one nor the other but something new.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think that that group is a kind of classical surrealism, that is, a surrealism with one foot in the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116879125738134449'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116879125738134449'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168791240000#c116879125738134449' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 14, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116873575853289546</id><published>2007-01-13T19:49:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-13T19:49:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I don&#39;t, really, Believe in this &quot;overweighing ten...</title><summary type='text'>I don&#39;t, really, Believe in this &quot;overweighing tendency of the academy.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;More than Half of the poets in the Asian issue of MIPOesias, which Ron calls &quot;Awesome,&quot; are directly connected with creative writing programs at universities, be it as students, recently graduated students, or teachers.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;So where&#39;s this evil overweighing tendency in the academy?  Huh?  Where Is it?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116873575853289546'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116873575853289546'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168735740000#c116873575853289546' title=''/><author><name>Rain Delay</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/02882791018391366108</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1598785473"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116873132671659468</id><published>2007-01-13T18:35:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-13T18:35:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis:How about J. H. Prynne?  Or Kamau Brathwait...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;How about J. H. Prynne?  Or Kamau Brathwaite (time spent in Britain makes him as British as Eliot was American)?  Or Iain Sinclair (whose experimental poetry is available in the US on major publisher Granta)?  Or Tom Leonard?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116873132671659468'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116873132671659468'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168731300000#c116873132671659468' title=''/><author><name>Luther Blissett</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13609172891362697253</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-699303289"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116872791378994919</id><published>2007-01-13T17:38:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-13T17:38:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Yes, MacDiarmid is an exception--albeit a somewhat...</title><summary type='text'>Yes, MacDiarmid is an exception--albeit a somewhat underappreciate one.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;How about Laura Riding?--but of course she&#39;s actually American!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;No, my point is &quot;underappreciated&quot; or &quot;unsung&quot;.  Tom Raworth is much admired in America--I&#39;m not sure he is in the UK.  Tom&#39;s quick wit and lightning changes are light years ahead of most of the quotidian poetry writing over there.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116872791378994919'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116872791378994919'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168727880000#c116872791378994919' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01813159652010352331</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1749964855"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116872662380508116</id><published>2007-01-13T17:17:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-13T17:17:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Henry -- I re-read your post to make sure I wasn&#39;t...</title><summary type='text'>Henry -- I re-read your post to make sure I wasn&#39;t missing anything. You explicitly say that &quot;SoQ and other sorts of labelling&quot; are horrible things that one should never do. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This is, I think, incorrect, but it has the advantage of being a contentful statement that could serve as the basis of debate.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;When called on this, however, you shift the goalposts and say that one should </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116872662380508116'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116872662380508116'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168726620000#c116872662380508116' title=''/><author><name>Simon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03035545713190516583</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1104587410"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116872163886636068</id><published>2007-01-13T15:53:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-13T15:53:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>It&#39;s hard not to see this reduced to an Us vs. The...</title><summary type='text'>It&#39;s hard not to see this reduced to an Us vs. Them debate, just another binary-polarized reification that ignores the possibility of third or fourth poles in the system. I find most binary polarizations to be reductive at best, deceitful misrepresentations at worst. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;if indeed Ron&#39;s ideas are driven primarily by formal considerations, I do find it odd that he lumps many poets under SoQ </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116872163886636068'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116872163886636068'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168721580000#c116872163886636068' title=''/><author><name>Art Durkee</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07399620147907002735</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1119200278"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116872109206760191</id><published>2007-01-13T15:44:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-13T15:44:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis writes, &quot;Ron&#39;s defense of experimental poes...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis writes, &quot;Ron&#39;s defense of experimental poesy itself constitutes a reaction to the assault from the cultural right.&quot;  To that I say, bosh.  This is how it always is with the would-be partisans of this or that (theoretical) aesthetic grouping : they say they&#39;re &quot;only defending themselves&quot;.  Again I say, bosh.  Ron may defend all he likes : my criticism, &amp; I guess Reginald Shepherd&#39;s, is </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116872109206760191'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116872109206760191'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168721040000#c116872109206760191' title=''/><author><name>Henry Gould</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04783460308217456577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1417109118"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116871985738721706</id><published>2007-01-13T15:24:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-13T15:24:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis Faville asserts:&quot;Re: British poetry. To my ...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis Faville asserts:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;Re: British poetry. To my mind, the only native poet from the British Isles whose experimentation got any press at all in the 20th Century was Basil Bunting. That&#39;s a sad commentary. All the others were rote versifiers, confessionalists, regionalists, or light verse practitioners. There were some practicing, but they were either ignored or rejected out of hand.&lt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116871985738721706'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116871985738721706'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168719840000#c116871985738721706' title=''/><author><name>Steven Fama</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04378273134042527425</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1945919831"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116871509063918456</id><published>2007-01-13T14:04:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-13T14:04:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;New Latin ellipticus, from Greek elleiptikos, def...</title><summary type='text'>&quot;New Latin ellipticus, from Greek elleiptikos, defective, from elleipsis, a falling short, ellipsis&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And the cadres went forward under the slogan &quot;From each the poem of his abilities! To each the poem of his needs! Back to the Poem!&quot; &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;(CF: to be read in the light of the long-ago ironies of Prynne&#39;s &quot;Questions for the Time Being&quot;: &quot;All right then no stoic composure as the / </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116871509063918456'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116871509063918456'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168715040000#c116871509063918456' title=''/><author><name>Kirk Johnson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05529898733002317995</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-895736745"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116870986192607472</id><published>2007-01-13T12:37:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-13T12:37:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>curtisi sit in admiration of the breadth ofyour in...</title><summary type='text'>curtis&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;i sit in admiration of the breadth of&lt;BR/&gt;your insight into all this&lt;BR/&gt;i can&#39;t claim to match you&lt;BR/&gt;idea for idea&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;i will put forth one name however&lt;BR/&gt;F. T. Prince&lt;BR/&gt;something of a formalist&lt;BR/&gt;but certainly unafraid of &lt;BR/&gt;experimenting both with subject matter&lt;BR/&gt;and structure&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;i&#39;ve learned a great deal from your&lt;BR/&gt;incisive clarifications&lt;BR/&gt;and </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116870986192607472'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116870986192607472'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168709820000#c116870986192607472' title=''/><author><name>john hanson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09681354460957743187</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1428247785"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116870887144883785</id><published>2007-01-13T12:21:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-13T12:21:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Re SoQ: I have not enough overview to judge this c...</title><summary type='text'>Re SoQ: I have not enough overview to judge this concept, but for those who enjoy this debate here it might be interesting to read composer/critic Kyle Gann&#39;s latest and very spirited &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/2007/01/the_kleinmeister_factory_then.html#comments&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rant&lt;/A&gt; on &quot;kleinmeisters&quot; (great word) among composers today, sparked by a discussion of </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116870887144883785'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/116860359549878270/comments/default/116870887144883785'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html?showComment=1168708860000#c116870887144883785' title=''/><author><name>Samuel Vriezen</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16229066450439148225</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/01/in-webnote-that-he-calls-dark-clouds_12.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-116860359549878270' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/116860359549878270' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1125742735"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="January 13, 2007"/></entry></feed>