<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post7442881371764183639..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>21</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3171869339576656225</id><published>2009-08-26T18:44:06.936-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-26T18:44:06.936-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kent, I was referring more to the Salon de ler Vui...</title><summary type='text'>Kent, I was referring more to the Salon de ler Vuisant poster than you. Flarf seems to me to be a difficult movement to seriously critique, in that it doesn&amp;#39;t take itself at all seriously.I guess if Flarf started to take itself seriously it could be criticised on that basis. But even then, it could be argued that by taking itself seriously it was not taking its tradition of not taking itself </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/3171869339576656225'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/3171869339576656225'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251326646936#c3171869339576656225' title=''/><author><name>Cy</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03244437975709553222</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='22' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_b4REVX6FKWI/Sa8E3cS4AzI/AAAAAAAAACg/fOoyhFAQXL0/S220/pants.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1685508273"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 26, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-9214897227177966053</id><published>2009-08-26T16:42:24.148-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-26T16:42:24.148-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Thinking of Jason as a victim probably means what ...</title><summary type='text'>Thinking of Jason as a victim probably means what it always means, that the work itself isn&amp;#39;t being looked at.  I think people are still entitled to their own reactions, irregardless of what his own family thought of him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I find them very inward, and searching.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I contrast this with the Shinder I actually knew (albeit briefly) who struck me as very outgoing, and playful.&lt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/9214897227177966053'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/9214897227177966053'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251319344148#c9214897227177966053' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 26, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5730700425803979933</id><published>2009-08-26T09:07:21.692-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-26T09:07:21.692-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Poetry movements are always &amp;quot;late&amp;quot;. Eith...</title><summary type='text'>Poetry movements are always &amp;quot;late&amp;quot;. Either that, or they are &amp;quot;a fad that will soon pass&amp;quot;.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/5730700425803979933'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/5730700425803979933'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251292041692#c5730700425803979933' title=''/><author><name>Samuel Vriezen</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16229066450439148225</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1125742735"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 26, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2091497943885294999</id><published>2009-08-25T23:03:50.941-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-25T23:03:50.941-04:00</updated><title type='text'>It is several hours later now, from when I wrote m...</title><summary type='text'>It is several hours later now, from when I wrote my comment above mentioning the Rod Smith poem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have, something like Ulysses, returned home.  Penelope ain&amp;#39;t here, but I did put my hands on issue # 2 of &lt;i&gt;Abraham Lincoln&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Rod Smith prose poem, which takes up the entirety of page 1 of the issue, and which just &lt;i&gt;kills&lt;/i&gt; in a wonderful non-homicidal kind of </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/2091497943885294999'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/2091497943885294999'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251255830941#c2091497943885294999' title=''/><author><name>Steven Fama</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13733977161680651117</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-862679579"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 25, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-406875467994507677</id><published>2009-08-25T20:18:26.067-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-25T20:18:26.067-04:00</updated><title type='text'>What Brian (in one of the first comments) calls &amp;q...</title><summary type='text'>What Brian (in one of the first comments) calls &amp;quot;flat language&amp;quot; might be exactly why these poems work so well for me. The use of &amp;quot;it,&amp;quot; for instance. The highly controlled repetition of just a few words. All those single syllables. This all gives it a punch, a set of vectors of force, that I find really effective. These seem--mostly--&lt;i&gt;un&lt;/i&gt;sentimental. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ever read </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/406875467994507677'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/406875467994507677'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251245906067#c406875467994507677' title=''/><author><name>Andy Gricevich</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04367834692026653431</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6k4HvGxKtyg/SVPBwJ5AtYI/AAAAAAAAACI/AIiTa7_THRM/S220/Shadow+Head.JPG'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1668048852"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 25, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7452535659425885960</id><published>2009-08-25T17:50:05.114-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-25T17:50:05.114-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Trashing Flarf seems to me to be the equivalent of...</title><summary type='text'>Trashing Flarf seems to me to be the equivalent of slapping a guy who&amp;#39;s standing on a street corner wearing a &amp;quot;please slap me!&amp;quot; t-shirt and who won&amp;#39;t stop giggling while you slap him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the words of that young intellectual, &amp;quot;who gives a shit?&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;d suggest the best way to respect Mr. Shinder&amp;#39;s memory would be to focus on his poetry. The </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/7452535659425885960'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/7452535659425885960'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251237005114#c7452535659425885960' title=''/><author><name>Cy</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03244437975709553222</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='22' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_b4REVX6FKWI/Sa8E3cS4AzI/AAAAAAAAACg/fOoyhFAQXL0/S220/pants.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1685508273"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 25, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-732364517991521553</id><published>2009-08-25T17:27:11.427-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-25T17:27:11.427-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Dear Kent, &#xa;&#xa;All that may be so (or not) about the...</title><summary type='text'>Dear Kent, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All that may be so (or not) about the subforum of the forum, but even  so I&amp;#39;d put that Rod Smith prose poem  (dang it wish I could remember its name) from the first pages of issue 2 of the little magazine &lt;i&gt;Abraham Lincoln&lt;/i&gt; -- which I was lucky enough to run into and read just recently -- up against anything in terms of funny, non-snooty, or really in terms of </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/732364517991521553'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/732364517991521553'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251235631427#c732364517991521553' title=''/><author><name>Steven Fama</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13733977161680651117</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-862679579"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 25, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5532946490662545161</id><published>2009-08-25T16:10:03.500-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-25T16:10:03.500-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Speaking of Flarf, this may be of possible interes...</title><summary type='text'>Speaking of Flarf, this may be of possible interest:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pasted below, from Salon de Ver Luisant, a communist/anarchist discussion board, mainly populated, it seems, by young intellectuals and artists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For all its proclaimed novelty and badness, seems like Flarf might actually be more of a middle-aged poetic phenomenon coming quite late to cultural developments within, as Lenin </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/5532946490662545161'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/5532946490662545161'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251231003500#c5532946490662545161' title=''/><author><name>Kent Johnson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/15233688630151467658</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-901447242"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 25, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8767005637731247599</id><published>2009-08-24T23:23:30.232-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-24T23:23:30.232-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron, thanks for this post. It (and comments it has...</title><summary type='text'>Ron, thanks for this post. It (and comments it has provoked)is interesting. It&amp;#39;s good to see you post on a generally considered so/quiet poet.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I like the poem &amp;#39;poetry&amp;#39; and like the ambition or the challenge in the last three lines of it.  In fact, what I esteem, or  enjoy in the poem, is what I would enjoy or esteem, whether it was written by a post/a poet or an so/q poet</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/8767005637731247599'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/8767005637731247599'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251170610232#c8767005637731247599' title=''/><author><name>Louise</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00134209058300460374</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1993933462"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 24, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7826270744217303665</id><published>2009-08-24T23:03:30.676-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-24T23:03:30.676-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kent:&#xa;&#xa;I think my first post may have been misinte...</title><summary type='text'>Kent:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think my first post may have been misinterpreted.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Try reading it as if what I was saying was an ironic comparison.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then read my second post.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/7826270744217303665'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/7826270744217303665'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251169410676#c7826270744217303665' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 24, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7034087698056578465</id><published>2009-08-24T20:48:15.501-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-24T20:48:15.501-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Is there some kind of compressing effect that life...</title><summary type='text'>Is there some kind of compressing effect that life-threatening illness has on a poet&amp;#39;s use of language and/or thought? Is that what this essay implies or asks?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/7034087698056578465'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/7034087698056578465'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251161295501#c7034087698056578465' title=''/><author><name>Annandale Dream Gazette</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08155953951163636760</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1293329833"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 24, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8479049570602094524</id><published>2009-08-24T19:19:33.149-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-24T19:19:33.149-04:00</updated><title type='text'>There&amp;#39;s something enigmatic about how we inter...</title><summary type='text'>There&amp;#39;s something enigmatic about how we interpret direct statement(s) in poems.  Poems of the above kind can be terribly done--I mean the sort of tiresome &amp;quot;direct statement&amp;quot; &amp;quot;revelatory&amp;quot; stuff you find in periodicals with a naive &amp;quot;zen&amp;quot; bent--maybe bad Rothenberg taste (??)--&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;in any case, I read these as interesting quick-changes from the heart...but I</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/8479049570602094524'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/8479049570602094524'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251155973149#c8479049570602094524' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 24, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3446844372162252147</id><published>2009-08-24T18:01:44.999-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-24T18:01:44.999-04:00</updated><title type='text'>At the risk of seeming overly &amp;quot;sentimental&amp;qu...</title><summary type='text'>At the risk of seeming overly &amp;quot;sentimental&amp;quot; and like I&amp;#39;m trying to play the nice guy, which I suppose I hardly am, I can&amp;#39;t help saying I find some of the reactions to this post pretty reprehensible. There is a brief, essay about someone who wrote the best he could, facing death in midst of a prolonged physical ordeal-- who wrote, in part, toward the end, as a means of grappling </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/3446844372162252147'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/3446844372162252147'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251151304999#c3446844372162252147' title=''/><author><name>Kent Johnson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/15233688630151467658</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-901447242"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 24, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-647042583551701514</id><published>2009-08-24T17:18:59.919-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-24T17:18:59.919-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Shinder must have been Ginsberg&amp;#39;s assistant at...</title><summary type='text'>Shinder must have been Ginsberg&amp;#39;s assistant at Naropa after Sam Kashner, is that correct? I met them both at Naropa, and then later had lunch with them on Sam Kashner&amp;#39;s credit card (which makes so many memorable entrances in Kashner&amp;#39;s fine book, When I Was Cool).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I liked these poems.  Many of his poems seemed to be to be too extroverted.  These seem totally introverted.&lt;br </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/647042583551701514'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/647042583551701514'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251148739919#c647042583551701514' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 24, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5310066567587058012</id><published>2009-08-24T16:56:52.206-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-24T16:56:52.206-04:00</updated><title type='text'>May I presume here to try to  &amp;quot;help&amp;quot; tho...</title><summary type='text'>May I presume here to try to  &amp;quot;help&amp;quot; those such as Nada, who comments above about not seeing much (or anything) good in these poems.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The poem &amp;quot;Afterward&amp;quot; (the first one typed out in Ron&amp;#39;s post here)  crystallizes -- intensifies -- a few moments of or in the poet&amp;#39;s mind and emotions.  Intensification of this kind is still a useful and powerful poetic </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/5310066567587058012'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/5310066567587058012'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251147412206#c5310066567587058012' title=''/><author><name>Steven Fama</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13733977161680651117</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-862679579"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 24, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-486594191002965811</id><published>2009-08-24T13:07:18.665-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-24T13:07:18.665-04:00</updated><title type='text'>PS: Ron, I actually agree with you on a lot of the...</title><summary type='text'>PS: Ron, I actually agree with you on a lot of the kind of poetry that you characterize as school of quietude. I don&amp;#39;t own any Billy Collins books and others that fit into the category, for me, of pretty boring cat licked the milk epiphany stuff. But I also have nothing against not just sentiment but even sentimentality. I don&amp;#39;t rule out any aspect of language use for poetic creative </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/486594191002965811'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/486594191002965811'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251133638665#c486594191002965811' title=''/><author><name>Lally</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05310472614196384595</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='21' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1UZ-EklSnDQ/SmYOuxD4uAI/AAAAAAAAAVk/PdRO4wGXgaQ/S220/Lally2_bw.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-778757446"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 24, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5124484537933208444</id><published>2009-08-24T11:48:56.703-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-24T11:48:56.703-04:00</updated><title type='text'>As someone who was asked by Jason to take part in ...</title><summary type='text'>As someone who was asked by Jason to take part in one of his anthologies, though as an actor on TV and in movies rather than as a poet, I was not only pleasantly surprised by the selections made, but would think you&amp;#39;d have dug many of them as well, poems by WC Williams and Cendrars and all kinds of unexpected choices from known and unknown actors and directors etc. in film and television. </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/5124484537933208444'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/5124484537933208444'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251128936703#c5124484537933208444' title=''/><author><name>Lally</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05310472614196384595</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='21' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1UZ-EklSnDQ/SmYOuxD4uAI/AAAAAAAAAVk/PdRO4wGXgaQ/S220/Lally2_bw.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-778757446"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 24, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6153650491869715314</id><published>2009-08-24T10:00:20.049-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-24T10:00:20.049-04:00</updated><title type='text'>These read to me merely as poems about sentiment, ...</title><summary type='text'>These read to me merely as poems about sentiment, not mawkish, but certainly sentimental. I have no worries about sentiment in general, but many about sentiment in certain particulars. I hear a reserved quality in these poems, maybe controlled sentiment, but not much else. These seem little beyond sentiment. What is their content besides sentiment? Why would I want to read them? And I ask these </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/6153650491869715314'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/6153650491869715314'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251122420049#c6153650491869715314' title=''/><author><name>Geof Huth</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04763053227479195348</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='32' src='http://photos1.blogger.com/img/186/968/1024/HUTH21.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-599696549"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 24, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-1901005874947757545</id><published>2009-08-24T08:53:34.547-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-24T08:53:34.547-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Wow, I totally disagree with your assessment of Sh...</title><summary type='text'>Wow, I totally disagree with your assessment of Shinder&amp;#39;s work, which reads less like Franz Wright or Jack Gilbert (two poets I often enjoy reading) and more like Louise Gluck at her worst: tthe relentless focus on the self with huge gaps in self-awareness, the flat language, the lack of imagination, the assumption that everything the self observes is compelling...</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/1901005874947757545'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/1901005874947757545'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251118414547#c1901005874947757545' title=''/><author><name>Brian</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01173753299630591496</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-205390095"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 24, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7740628118148285440</id><published>2009-08-24T06:53:27.681-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-24T06:53:27.681-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Am I missing something?  I read these poems three ...</title><summary type='text'>Am I missing something?  I read these poems three times to try to find something interesting about them. Spare, yes. Unflinching? No. Brilliant? To me, not even remotely.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I just don&amp;#39;t get it. I would almost go so far as to say these are not poetry.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/7740628118148285440'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/7740628118148285440'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251111207681#c7740628118148285440' title=''/><author><name>Nada</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01448534316756256503</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_X-R2gU6jEQU/SchM7MkzE2I/AAAAAAAAAXY/d4U3BdcAh30/s1600-R/3371332775_79e8b4eb4f_s.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1564832188"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 24, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5085072370601505883</id><published>2009-08-24T00:15:46.130-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-24T00:15:46.130-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Actually these poems remind me of Gilbert and Fran...</title><summary type='text'>Actually these poems remind me of Gilbert and Franz Wright, of all people--maybe even of Frances Mayes!  Attempts to speak with a heart-felt conviction without connective tissues to daub at the sniffles.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/5085072370601505883'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/7442881371764183639/comments/default/5085072370601505883'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html?showComment=1251087346130#c5085072370601505883' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/08/during-his-life-i-knew-jason-shinder.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7442881371764183639' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/7442881371764183639' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="August 24, 2009"/></entry></feed>