<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post8209335255519777545..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>20</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6727832479998761631</id><published>2007-05-20T06:43:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-20T06:43:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>stuck his neck out(for joe and charlie)i love this...</title><summary type='text'>stuck his neck out&lt;BR/&gt;(for joe and charlie)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;i love this photo of ed dorn&lt;BR/&gt;a ghost before he died&lt;BR/&gt;his neck so thin&lt;BR/&gt;his tie seemed&lt;BR/&gt;just&lt;BR/&gt;his neck&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;continuing outside his shirt&lt;BR/&gt;as if he were neck&lt;BR/&gt;clear to his belly button&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;what i mean is thousands&lt;BR/&gt;should have filled the streets&lt;BR/&gt;the day of his funeral&lt;BR/&gt;if we were truly greeks&lt;BR/&gt;real </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/6727832479998761631'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/6727832479998761631'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1179657780000#c6727832479998761631' title=''/><author><name>Zonko</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08367409722107457452</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/1156/498887177179298/1600/z/652290/gse_multipart28103.png'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-307091268"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 20, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2006429434879862985</id><published>2007-05-09T09:59:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-09T09:59:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The fiddler of L’Enfant Plaza - a while back I cam...</title><summary type='text'>The fiddler of L’Enfant Plaza&lt;BR/&gt; - a while back I came across a retort to that from the &#39;Saw Lady&#39; - a subway musician in NYC, in her blog about busking ( www.SawLady.com/blog ) - a different point of view from a professional busker&#39;s eye.&lt;BR/&gt;Personally I think the whole thing was just a publicity stunt for Bell - it got everyone to talk about him, even people who didn&#39;t know who he was.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/2006429434879862985'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/2006429434879862985'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1178719140000#c2006429434879862985' title=''/><author><name>BellCollecting.com</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09829926978413779675</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1033626742"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 09, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2745390473072706240</id><published>2007-05-03T13:13:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-03T13:13:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Well, Michael, you&#39;re not the first person to bemo...</title><summary type='text'>Well, Michael, you&#39;re not the first person to bemoan the supposed gratuitous &quot;synergy&quot; of poets and artists.  A spate of &quot;livres d&#39;artistes&quot; in the last hundred years--generated primarily to cash in on the collectibility of art reproductions--has left very little residual value.  Creeley was a volatile guy at times--that story will be written.  What did you think of the Creeley/Indiana Numbers?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/2745390473072706240'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/2745390473072706240'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1178212380000#c2745390473072706240' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-220900459977588274</id><published>2007-05-03T08:15:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-03T08:15:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Poems on Painting: W.H. Auden, W.C. Williams and R...</title><summary type='text'>Poems on Painting: W.H. Auden, W.C. Williams and Robert Creeley, for example, have written memorable poems on painting. At age 23 I discovered that, solely because  of my poetry, I was, in the eyes of the art establishment, qualified to write art criticism. So I wrote plenty and they paid. Subsequently I developed a powerful prejudice against poets writing poems about painting. And then chapbooks</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/220900459977588274'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/220900459977588274'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1178194500000#c220900459977588274' title=''/><author><name>Michael Andre</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09041946940083486881</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='22' src='http://www.jackiecurtis.com/Andre-02.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-2040252430"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="May 03, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3542911082300680206</id><published>2007-04-29T17:34:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-04-29T17:34:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>It&#39;s possible to think that early Dorn is the most...</title><summary type='text'>It&#39;s possible to think that early Dorn is the most aesthetically pleasing  His initial poems are knockouts.  The 70s seems to be generally a period when many poets turned to politics or at least to ethical definition, and I think that Dorn went along with this trend in order to mock it.  But first a crucial splitting of terms:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Butcher writes of Aristotle, &quot;Aristotle ... was the first who</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/3542911082300680206'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/3542911082300680206'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1177882440000#c3542911082300680206' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="April 29, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8326376571367548226</id><published>2007-04-28T01:37:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-04-28T01:37:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>As several now have already noted, Kleinzahler fol...</title><summary type='text'>As several now have already noted, Kleinzahler follows Ron in overlooking the public mode of the part of Dorn&#39;s late work he finds &quot;flat&quot; - and in ignoring the rest of it completely. No mention at all of &lt;I&gt;Recollections of Gran Apacheria&lt;/I&gt;, for instance, or the work after &lt;I&gt;Abhorrences&lt;/I&gt;. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Not that Dorn would have expected better, of course.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/8326376571367548226'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/8326376571367548226'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1177738620000#c8326376571367548226' title=''/><author><name>jeff</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06410386491643353394</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://static.flickr.com/38/115064123_cb384707b2_m.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1634465795"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="April 28, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-400000791913522985</id><published>2007-04-27T09:27:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-04-27T09:27:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Kleinzahler seemed to argue that the political lat...</title><summary type='text'>Kleinzahler seemed to argue that the political later poems were too coherent, and I think you argued that they were not coherent.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/400000791913522985'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/400000791913522985'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1177680420000#c400000791913522985' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="April 27, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8300393833732189946</id><published>2007-04-25T15:47:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-04-25T15:47:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>effing. Cool.  We&#39;re jamming.</title><summary type='text'>effing. Cool.  We&#39;re jamming.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/8300393833732189946'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/8300393833732189946'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1177530420000#c8300393833732189946' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01387339051753733341</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1631121944"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="April 25, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-9081175753510248383</id><published>2007-04-25T15:20:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-04-25T15:20:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>What&#39;s most perplexing to me is that in their revi...</title><summary type='text'>What&#39;s most perplexing to me is that in their reviews neither August K. nor Ron speak at all about Dorn&#39;s book entangled with his cancer, &lt;I&gt;Chemo Sabe&lt;/I&gt;.  If,  as Ron amusingly says, work like &lt;I&gt;Hello LaJolla&lt;/I&gt; can be compared to Pound&#39;s Van Buren Cantos, cannot Dorn&#39;s cancer poems be compared to &lt;I&gt;The Pisan Cantos&lt;/I&gt;--in both cases the poet &lt;I&gt;in extremis&lt;/I&gt; has been shoved towards the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/9081175753510248383'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/9081175753510248383'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1177528800000#c9081175753510248383' title=''/><author><name>Stephen Baraban</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/09637400683517160112</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-290229728"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="April 25, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5370156012642017880</id><published>2007-04-25T15:05:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-04-25T15:05:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>As I predicted, I did screw up tyring to post in m...</title><summary type='text'>As I predicted, I did screw up tyring to post in my comment above an active link to the Washington Post article on the great violinist and his Stradivarius playing in the D.C. Metro.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But I think this will work, if anyone is curious -- cut and paste the following into your browser:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;http://tinyurl.com/2273gm</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/5370156012642017880'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/5370156012642017880'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1177527900000#c5370156012642017880' title=''/><author><name>Steven Fama</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13733977161680651117</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-862679579"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="April 25, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-514538921932044253</id><published>2007-04-25T14:43:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-04-25T14:43:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Curtis, I posted about the same time as you or jus...</title><summary type='text'>Curtis, I posted about the same time as you or just after and hadn&#39;t read your comments yet. I&#39;ve agreed with your assessments of the Dorn talk today and few weeks ago, through and through. You point out the cliche of the unappeal for Dorn as if you have done it before - which obviously you have, and with reasoned approach, which I admire.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ed Dorn does not equal Ted Nugent is all I meant</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/514538921932044253'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/514538921932044253'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1177526580000#c514538921932044253' title=''/><author><name>Effing Press</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11678246082971769054</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1175403267"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="April 25, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-563271290988855716</id><published>2007-04-25T14:13:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-04-25T14:13:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Hey, effing, I don&#39;t think anyone (least of all me...</title><summary type='text'>Hey, effing, I don&#39;t think anyone (least of all me) was advocating that Dorn spend his whole life cranking out pretty lyrics.  Does the fact of his not having repeated himself make the early work somehow less admirable; or does his having written bitter, pitiless indictments late in his career make the earlier work dishonest, or irrelevant?  I think not.  Ron&#39;s attempt to discredit Dorn by </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/563271290988855716'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/563271290988855716'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1177524780000#c563271290988855716' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01387339051753733341</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1631121944"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="April 25, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-1201551368666831736</id><published>2007-04-25T14:11:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-04-25T14:11:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Scott Pierce, that is an excellent question, and o...</title><summary type='text'>Scott Pierce, that is an excellent question, and one that gets to the heart of the weakness in Kleinzahler&#39;s (and Silliman&#39;s) dismissals of Dorn&#39;s late writing. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The epigrammatic, didactic work in Abhorrences, for example, is largely anti-poetic because it *aims* to be anti-poetic. It is direct and in-your-face in its rhetoric because Dorn abhorred the fashionable and timid &quot;political&quot; </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/1201551368666831736'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/1201551368666831736'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1177524660000#c1201551368666831736' title=''/><author><name>Kent Johnson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/15233688630151467658</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-901447242"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="April 25, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-4854933567469288991</id><published>2007-04-25T13:24:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-04-25T13:24:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>i have sworn off the ny timesin favor of these lin...</title><summary type='text'>i have sworn off the ny times&lt;BR/&gt;in favor of these links&lt;BR/&gt;hell i may even swear off golfing&lt;BR/&gt;in favor of these&lt;BR/&gt;if i ever start golfing&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;poetry in the streets&lt;BR/&gt;that i dig greatly&lt;BR/&gt;and more of it&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;even though dorn was skeptical&lt;BR/&gt;of the influence&lt;BR/&gt;any pome might have upon&lt;BR/&gt;a culture&lt;BR/&gt;at least if by chance &lt;BR/&gt;say a robert hayden poem&lt;BR/&gt;is perused at a </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/4854933567469288991'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/4854933567469288991'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1177521840000#c4854933567469288991' title=''/><author><name>john hanson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10043530995274885830</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1850634495"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="April 25, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7287153592469643407</id><published>2007-04-25T12:16:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-04-25T12:16:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The video of Springsteen reminds me of the great W...</title><summary type='text'>The video of Springsteen reminds me of the great Washington Post article from earlier this month about a great violinist, with his Stradivarius, playing incognito in the Metro. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The article was titled, &quot;Pearls Before Breakfast&quot; and probably is still accessible at the Post.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#39;ll try a tiny URL but I tend to screw up with these things, so my apologies in advance if it doesn&#39;t work</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/7287153592469643407'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/7287153592469643407'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1177517760000#c7287153592469643407' title=''/><author><name>Steven Fama</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13733977161680651117</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-862679579"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="April 25, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7680206744815073333</id><published>2007-04-25T11:52:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-04-25T11:52:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>you know, for all this talk of the lack of quality...</title><summary type='text'>you know, for all this talk of the lack of quality in Dorn&#39;s later poetry, not many people seem interested in his actual indictments on culture. does it have to be beautiful and &quot;poetic&quot; to be important? i hope not. Dorn&#39;s critique meanwile rings true. After the lyricism of the everday goes away and the reality of the river of shit becomes apparent, why wouldn&#39;t a poetics change to reflect the </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/7680206744815073333'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/7680206744815073333'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1177516320000#c7680206744815073333' title=''/><author><name>Effing Press</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11678246082971769054</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1175403267"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="April 25, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7226939264266938210</id><published>2007-04-25T10:56:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-04-25T10:56:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The McClatchy poems reads like Oscar Wilde seen th...</title><summary type='text'>The McClatchy poems reads like Oscar Wilde seen through the eyes of James Merrill.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/7226939264266938210'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/7226939264266938210'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1177512960000#c7226939264266938210' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01387339051753733341</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1631121944"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="April 25, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-1840382665359086348</id><published>2007-04-25T10:50:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-04-25T10:50:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron, you might profitably review Kirstein&#39;s Rhymes...</title><summary type='text'>Ron, you might profitably review Kirstein&#39;s Rhymes of a PFC, one of a handful of worthy WWII books of poems.  Published by New Directions in 1964.  I possess a copy of H.D.&#39;s poems inscribed by Kirstein while he was a freshman at Harvard.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/1840382665359086348'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/1840382665359086348'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1177512600000#c1840382665359086348' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01387339051753733341</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1631121944"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="April 25, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8963330045143162222</id><published>2007-04-25T10:38:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-04-25T10:38:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The C.K. Williams poem sounds like a very quotidia...</title><summary type='text'>The C.K. Williams poem sounds like a very quotidian student piece in the manner of WCW or Crane, filled with appropriately &quot;vivid&quot; and &quot;descriptive&quot; adjectives and the elegaic hum of fashionably mid-Victorian doom.  I can&#39;t find much wrong with it, except that its lines could have been set in Williams&#39;s other style of long lines, making its present form appear arbitrary.  The emotion feels </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/8963330045143162222'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/8963330045143162222'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1177511880000#c8963330045143162222' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01387339051753733341</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1631121944"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="April 25, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-887936723654653514</id><published>2007-04-25T10:11:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-04-25T10:11:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>August Kleinzahler &#39;s take on Dorn is the cliche o...</title><summary type='text'>August Kleinzahler &#39;s take on Dorn is the cliche one, but I suppose it&#39;s pretty much what I was saying here a couple of weeks ago.  He does seem to have missed Geography (1965) and The North Atlantic Turbine (1967), and what those two books showed about Dorn&#39;s development between Hands Up! (1964) and Gunslinger I (1969).   One thing not usually noted is the disintegrative development of </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/887936723654653514'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8209335255519777545/comments/default/887936723654653514'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html?showComment=1177510260000#c887936723654653514' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01387339051753733341</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/04/august-kleinzahler-tries-to-deal-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8209335255519777545' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8209335255519777545' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1631121944"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="April 25, 2007"/></entry></feed>