<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post8619186105366715699..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>23</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7633648494351879792</id><published>2007-06-15T22:03:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-15T22:03:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Since there are several other much better antholog...</title><summary type='text'>Since there are several other much better anthologies of the prose poem, I have to scratch my head. Was this a willful missing of the boat in order to make a point? &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Since I write in the prose poem form all the time, and pay attention to it, maybe I&#39;m just more aware. But my shelves are strewn with anthologies, and solo collections.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ah well. Rhetoric uber alles.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/7633648494351879792'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/7633648494351879792'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181959380000#c7633648494351879792' title=''/><author><name>Art Durkee</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/07463180236975988432</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='20' height='32' src='http://www.arthurdurkee.net/images/ADSTICK1.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1315265054"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 15, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-4023724561992028070</id><published>2007-06-14T12:38:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-14T12:38:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>What you’re saying, Curtis, is that literary criti...</title><summary type='text'>What you’re saying, Curtis, is that literary criticism gained force in the 19th and 20th Centuries, and that it has described the way art has always been.  I don’t think you are saying that you appreciate the art that copies the art of the previous century at any time in history.  You have also mischaracterized Pound, who repeatedly vouched for the contemporary relevance of his translations, as </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/4023724561992028070'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/4023724561992028070'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181839080000#c4023724561992028070' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 14, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6057276907356196151</id><published>2007-06-14T10:41:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-14T10:41:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Well I agree, Mark, but there’s a reason why the w...</title><summary type='text'>Well I agree, Mark, but there’s a reason why the word ‘definitive’ is used more for anthologies than for a selected poems, and that always seems to have something to do with art politics.  ‘We believe that these are the definitive choices for a new and selected poems’ is something I don’t hear much.  Some claims of ‘definitive’ in anthologies are certainly more appropriate than others and your </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/6057276907356196151'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/6057276907356196151'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181832060000#c6057276907356196151' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 14, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3877369759107299644</id><published>2007-06-14T10:38:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-14T10:38:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The concept of a continuously unfolding avant gard...</title><summary type='text'>The concept of a continuously unfolding avant garde is, as the fellow above states, a relatively new way of regarding the production of art and literature.  It got its start in the 19th Century, and with the rapid growth of new media and social change in the 20th, it reallly took off.  So we have Pound, and then Olson, and later proponants pushing the simplistic idea that nothing that feels like </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/3877369759107299644'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/3877369759107299644'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181831880000#c3877369759107299644' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 14, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-1042063155352472449</id><published>2007-06-13T20:49:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-13T20:49:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ian, while I would agree that any claim to being d...</title><summary type='text'>Ian, while I would agree that any claim to being definitive is going to be a subject of debate, that doesn&#39;t mean that the idea of definitiveness is worthless. It&#39;s a question of degree. The concept of definitiveness suggests that there&#39;s a history that you&#39;re trying to be responsible towards, and some methods of going about that responsibility are more successful than others. Some anthologies do</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/1042063155352472449'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/1042063155352472449'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181782140000#c1042063155352472449' title=''/><author><name>mark wallace</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10047292022080114501</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-476913415"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5371443911565745996</id><published>2007-06-13T16:46:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-13T16:46:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Says he’s not from Harvard: you got angry when Ron...</title><summary type='text'>Says he’s not from Harvard: you got angry when Ron criticized Harvard.  Only Harvard people get angry when Harvard is dissed.  I don’t care who you are but I love the manly Chuck D quote from someone who wants to bust on people without using his name.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Most of all, it seemed like you were separating craftsmanship from innovation, and I’m glad you clarified that you weren’t doing that.  &lt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/5371443911565745996'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/5371443911565745996'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181767560000#c5371443911565745996' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7169571181765186091</id><published>2007-06-13T15:30:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-13T15:30:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron, here&#39;s a collaboration story. Aram Saroyan to...</title><summary type='text'>Ron, here&#39;s a collaboration story. Aram Saroyan took me to that annual publishers convention when it was in L.A. one time, and we came upon Douglas Messerli&#39;s table, on which he had a copy of a new anthology he&#39;d just done of poets who&#39;d had an impact since 1950. I picked it up and checked the contents and asked him how he could have left out Aram, whose early minimalist poems had a huge impact, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/7169571181765186091'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/7169571181765186091'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181763000000#c7169571181765186091' title=''/><author><name>Lally</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05310472614196384595</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://www.yourmanfriday.com/backdoor/Lally9.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-778757446"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-4396685903171377757</id><published>2007-06-13T14:19:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-13T14:19:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ian, I am not a Harvard grad student.  So you migh...</title><summary type='text'>Ian, I am not a Harvard grad student.  So you might want to, you know, do some research before mouthing off.  As Chuck D. once said, &quot;When a man walks in the room / All the bullshit stops.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Second, your quotation from Benjamin has no bearing on my own argument.  I cite Benjamin to borrow his turn of phrase about fashion as &quot;the new not new.&quot;  The argument about the avant garde as tied, </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/4396685903171377757'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/4396685903171377757'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181758740000#c4396685903171377757' title=''/><author><name>Luther Blissett</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05431159615586957896</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-901283303"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-4549902796969388468</id><published>2007-06-13T13:10:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-13T13:10:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I think it&#39;s fair to say that we&#39;re certainly livi...</title><summary type='text'>I think it&#39;s fair to say that we&#39;re certainly living in a moment when the  social realities of the anthology are confusing. What exactly is one for? To make some kind of definitive statement on the history of the writing? To gather the work of a particular community? To give writers the chance to be in them?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ron&#39;s argument about Saints of Hysteria criticizes the book as short-sighted as </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/4549902796969388468'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/4549902796969388468'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181754600000#c4549902796969388468' title=''/><author><name>mark wallace</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/10047292022080114501</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-476913415"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-325747832313068379</id><published>2007-06-13T12:35:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-13T12:35:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>And just so you don’t get away with distorting Ben...</title><summary type='text'>And just so you don’t get away with distorting Benjamin for retrograde purposes, Benjamin&#39;s views on the avantgarde were in fact THE EXACT OPPOSITE of your use of him:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;“Each fundamentally new, pioneering creation of demands will carry beyond its goal.  Dadaism did so to the extent that is sacrificed the market values which are so characteristic of the film in favor of higher ambitions - </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/325747832313068379'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/325747832313068379'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181752500000#c325747832313068379' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5971297219497589938</id><published>2007-06-13T12:02:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-13T12:02:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Anonymous Harvard blowhard,“Of course, artists alw...</title><summary type='text'>Anonymous Harvard blowhard,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;“Of course, artists always introduced something new, but that wasn&#39;t what they or their audience judged as great about their work.”&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You’re just attempting to separate craftsmanship from innovation, which anyone who knows anything knows cannot be separated.  Much of what was new about art for most of its history was not viewed as art at all.  There </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/5971297219497589938'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/5971297219497589938'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181750520000#c5971297219497589938' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2694196727099438196</id><published>2007-06-13T07:26:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-13T07:26:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>CAConrad, I agree with you about *The Oxford Book*...</title><summary type='text'>CAConrad, I agree with you about *The Oxford Book* and about Collins&#39;s poetry.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But your claim about art as paradigm shifting is simply wrong.  It&#39;s a typically historically short-sighted chestnut of the avant-garde.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;For thousands of years, from cave painting to Pope, art was decidedly *not* about paradigm shifting.  The artist&#39;s goal wasn&#39;t to be &quot;new&quot; but to be great.  Of </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/2694196727099438196'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/2694196727099438196'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181733960000#c2694196727099438196' title=''/><author><name>Luther Blissett</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05431159615586957896</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-901283303"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-9170216214368595119</id><published>2007-06-13T01:32:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-13T01:32:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>so what&#39;s your point? Like I&#39;m sure Edson or Patch...</title><summary type='text'>so what&#39;s your point? Like I&#39;m sure Edson or Patchen even wanted to be included in this lousy anthology.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/9170216214368595119'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/9170216214368595119'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181712720000#c9170216214368595119' title=''/><author><name>olgastamata</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04903202618195858141</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1991341245"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 13, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5739246059687965678</id><published>2007-06-12T22:42:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-12T22:42:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Craig, I share your frustration with unbalanced an...</title><summary type='text'>Craig, I share your frustration with unbalanced anthologies.  The only antidote is to make your own.  I used to do that, photocopy my favorite poems and put them into notebooks.  That&#39;s how I came up with my first list of potential contributors to my little magazine in the 1970&#39;s--I just took that list and sent out request letters.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Publish who you like, fuck the consequences.  I think </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/5739246059687965678'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/5739246059687965678'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181702520000#c5739246059687965678' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 12, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-4993096160415093235</id><published>2007-06-12T22:39:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-12T22:39:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Collaborations are the sincerest form of disinform...</title><summary type='text'>Collaborations are the sincerest form of disinformation.  They are useful only for the participants, especially when they are drunk or high.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I can imagine people playing collab at a party, instead of charades.  Or role playing.  Or making ever-more-daring-and-pornographic limericks.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Berrigan did collaborations via theft, and cut-up.  Did Burroughs?  Well....&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The prose</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/4993096160415093235'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/4993096160415093235'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181702340000#c4993096160415093235' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 12, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3570123576912070105</id><published>2007-06-12T19:26:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-12T19:26:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron, isn&#39;t it true that the remarks about Stalinis...</title><summary type='text'>Ron, isn&#39;t it true that the remarks about Stalinism that you make seem as if they are bi-coastal and every point in-between were both by Tom Clark?  So isn&#39;t the source rather minimal, finally, rather than the massive attack you imply?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I didn&#39;t read the SF paper but since Clark wrote for them in that time period, I&#39;m making an assumption.  Am I right?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;At any rate, firsts don&#39;t </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/3570123576912070105'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/3570123576912070105'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181690760000#c3570123576912070105' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 12, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3295680919543546148</id><published>2007-06-12T18:17:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-12T18:17:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I&#39;ve already received several bits of mail mention...</title><summary type='text'>I&#39;ve already received several bits of mail mentioning that I might have a vested interest in defending this anthology because it&#39;s by the same publisher of my book Deviant Propulsion.  Ian on the other hand, thank you for saying what you said.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But NO, it has nothing to do with coming from the same publisher.  I have nothing on the block to be published in the near or distant future by </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/3295680919543546148'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/3295680919543546148'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181686620000#c3295680919543546148' title=''/><author><name>poet CAConrad</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13148611902772898013</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://newlangtonarts.org/bimages/conrad.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-691277454"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 12, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-261820082667083519</id><published>2007-06-12T17:36:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-12T17:36:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Since both had been published in English before 19...</title><summary type='text'>Since both had been published in English before 1976, I understand how you&#39;d be familiar enough with the prose poetry of Segalen and Perse to be &quot;heartbroken&quot; about them being left out of the Benedikt anthology.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But dang if I can figure out how you knew the prose poems of Pleynet or  Roubaud.  Had they been tranlsated, and if so where; or did you read them in the French, and where?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/261820082667083519'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/261820082667083519'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181684160000#c261820082667083519' title=''/><author><name>Steven Fama</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13733977161680651117</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-862679579"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 12, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2485358471499551740</id><published>2007-06-12T16:09:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-12T16:09:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Does it illuminate something significant that we w...</title><summary type='text'>Does it illuminate something significant that we would otherwise fail to perceive?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I use this phrase as a touchstone in evaluating everything from freshman papers to buildings.  Benedikt&#39;s anthology definitely doesn&#39;t meet this test.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Great poetry ought to meet this test.  Most poetry doesn&#39;t.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/2485358471499551740'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/2485358471499551740'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181678940000#c2485358471499551740' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 12, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-389300637556300725</id><published>2007-06-12T15:44:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-12T15:44:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Conrad’s Deviant Propulsions, also from Soft Skull...</title><summary type='text'>Conrad’s Deviant Propulsions, also from Soft Skull, has a collaboration of his with Circe, the city, himself with a hat, himself with his eyes closed, a duck, and Mom, which I suspect many readers would enjoy owning more than Saints of Hysteria as its histories are only curious in a good way.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/389300637556300725'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/389300637556300725'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181677440000#c389300637556300725' title=''/><author><name>Ian Keenan</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/16596558654735506132</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1591342472"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 12, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2772949982340453314</id><published>2007-06-12T14:42:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-12T14:42:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The worst thing is when an anthology appears and t...</title><summary type='text'>The worst thing is when an anthology appears and the taste of the editor is so bad that you don&#39;t want to read anything further by any of the poets in it.  That&#39;s what happened with the Benedikt volume.  At least to me.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;With the Donald Allen on the other hand one did feel a new aesthetic beginning to find cohesiveness and new solutions are offered for the lyric poem.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/2772949982340453314'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/2772949982340453314'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181673720000#c2772949982340453314' title=''/><author><name>Kirby Olson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1262696662"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 12, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-2052057468146857446</id><published>2007-06-12T13:23:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-12T13:23:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Saints of Hysteria does a fine job of giving us a ...</title><summary type='text'>&lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.softskull.com/detailedbook.php?isbn=1-933368-18-7&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Saints of Hysteria&lt;/A&gt; does a fine job of giving us a taste of collaborative poetry in the last half-century.  Yes of course NOT EVERYONE is in there Ron, but what anthology can claim that?  There&#39;s not a single Philadelphia poet for instance, and there are thousands of collaborative poems in Philadelphia.  </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/2052057468146857446'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/2052057468146857446'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181668980000#c2052057468146857446' title=''/><author><name>poet CAConrad</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13148611902772898013</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://newlangtonarts.org/bimages/conrad.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-691277454"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 12, 2007"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-4793118710132576957</id><published>2007-06-12T12:57:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-06-12T12:57:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I borrowed this Saints of Hysteria antho from my s...</title><summary type='text'>I borrowed this &lt;I&gt;Saints of Hysteria&lt;/I&gt; antho from my store, mostly out of curiosity. I have to agree with you on this. The book is a big mess, from the lack of index to the selection itself. I was particularly dismayed by the amount of collaborations with David Lehman and the editors themselves. It is a bit too self-serving for my tastes.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/4793118710132576957'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8619186105366715699/comments/default/4793118710132576957'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html?showComment=1181667420000#c4793118710132576957' title=''/><author><name>François</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06559138766982217784</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://farm1.static.flickr.com/157/360749881_43aef0cb9e_b.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2007/06/great-idea-badly-executed-can-be-much.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8619186105366715699' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8619186105366715699' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1777839896"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 12, 2007"/></entry></feed>