<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post8787044072267138123..comments</id><updated>2011-07-13T16:13:18.645-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Silliman&#39;s Blog: </title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>23</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-4851528397728763211</id><published>2009-07-07T08:55:23.545-04:00</published><updated>2009-07-07T08:55:23.545-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Victoria was one of my oldest friends and fellow p...</title><summary type='text'>Victoria was one of my oldest friends and fellow poets, and I was bummed to get a link to your post from another old friend, Tinker Greene. She was born in 1954 I believe, and here is a link to a picture I took of her in 1969 in East Palo Alto. We will all miss her.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://justsopress.typepad.com/Eve-EPA.jpg</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/4851528397728763211'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/4851528397728763211'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1246971323545#c4851528397728763211' title=''/><author><name>Shepherd</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04474856810995384252</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-995584140"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="July 07, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-871377511493587504</id><published>2009-06-18T21:29:12.658-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-18T21:29:12.658-04:00</updated><title type='text'>R- perhaps dismissive would be a better word than ...</title><summary type='text'>R- perhaps dismissive would be a better word than reductive.&lt;br /&gt;And what&amp;#39;s wrong with modernism? Post-modernism was just another sub-modernism (a fact betrayed by it&amp;#39;s use of no more than a modifying prefix, inextricably linked by the semantic of the term it chose for itself), adn has never been of much use as a critical term.&lt;br /&gt;Perloff&amp;#39;s 20th Century Modernism is a good </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/871377511493587504'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/871377511493587504'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245374952658#c871377511493587504' title=''/><author><name>Ross Brighton</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04917759678804057979</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='28' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2cIxa_flv5U/SeMQ4-pzKrI/AAAAAAAAABA/UTCfzW32UAU/S220/photo.JPG'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1953612295"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 18, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-457524840249399492</id><published>2009-06-18T17:43:13.760-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-18T17:43:13.760-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Great point about Barbara Guest.</title><summary type='text'>Great point about Barbara Guest.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/457524840249399492'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/457524840249399492'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245361393760#c457524840249399492' title=''/><author><name>Don Share</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446230480847015806</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1011881777"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 18, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6014430929530769466</id><published>2009-06-18T13:36:13.509-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-18T13:36:13.509-04:00</updated><title type='text'>ross- does &amp;quot;neo-surreal-post-avant-pseudo-lan...</title><summary type='text'>ross- does &amp;quot;neo-surreal-post-avant-pseudo-language-objectivists&amp;quot; seem too ambiguous to be reductive? or not?  i thought it did. my apologies. :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;it could be theory-death before birth. which may justify the formalist complaint of these malformed quasi-philosophical blurbs we enjoy as contemporary poetry (by contemporary i mean belated-modernisms). though personally i&amp;#39;d </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/6014430929530769466'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/6014430929530769466'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245346573509#c6014430929530769466' title=''/><author><name>R</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04175809969730449639</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cw_VYGRm1-w/SZiq0z-QpeI/AAAAAAAAAAY/3rwBvuZRH9o/S220/1053_Voice.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1375212339"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 18, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7243369755382299627</id><published>2009-06-18T10:57:59.886-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-18T10:57:59.886-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Yes, as our world today gets inexorably more crowd...</title><summary type='text'>Yes, as our world today gets inexorably more crowded and artistic, the groupings phenomenon is inevitable.  One sees this in every field of human endeavor.  Chess tournaments have changed drastically, with the introduction of team play &amp;amp; robots.  Ballet, of course, has always been a team sport, but the addition of multiple &amp;quot;pas-de-deux helpers&amp;quot; has certainly broadened the appeal (&amp;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/7243369755382299627'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/7243369755382299627'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245337079886#c7243369755382299627' title=''/><author><name>Henry Gould</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06763188178644726622</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/3390/124/320/268619/PA100027.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1295597322"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 18, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8113086706030626843</id><published>2009-06-18T03:42:30.295-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-18T03:42:30.295-04:00</updated><title type='text'>R - I think you may be being just as reductive in ...</title><summary type='text'>R - I think you may be being just as reductive in your judgements of people&amp;#39;s work as the cliques you&amp;#39;re attempting to critique.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And Aesthetic definition is a good thing. How is it bad to actually know what you&amp;#39;re doing?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/8113086706030626843'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/8113086706030626843'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245310950295#c8113086706030626843' title=''/><author><name>Ross Brighton</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04917759678804057979</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='28' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2cIxa_flv5U/SeMQ4-pzKrI/AAAAAAAAABA/UTCfzW32UAU/S220/photo.JPG'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1953612295"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 18, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7556866862225533926</id><published>2009-06-17T17:00:23.715-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-17T17:00:23.715-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The era of the cluster. I kind of like that. Has i...</title><summary type='text'>The era of the cluster. I kind of like that. Has it not always been so? I imagine it was in the 50s and 60s. Maybe less so after that?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/7556866862225533926'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/7556866862225533926'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245272423715#c7556866862225533926' title=''/><author><name>John Gallaher</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/02112997671155171626</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3362/3683/320/JGlessCloseWithEffect.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1450736026"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 17, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-811980699852924959</id><published>2009-06-17T12:22:10.483-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-17T12:22:10.483-04:00</updated><title type='text'>ron, the whole (forced) collectivist jig is gettin...</title><summary type='text'>ron, the whole (forced) collectivist jig is getting to sound, um, forced. sure, politically i am a collectivist-- but poetry cliques are everywhere, the scenes (i.e. &amp;quot;BRAND-NAMES&amp;quot;) usually outweigh what they actually produce. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;it is quite obvious that this &amp;quot;cool by association&amp;quot; thing that has worked for some *ahem, whose work wouldn&amp;#39;t be recognized without </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/811980699852924959'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/811980699852924959'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245255730483#c811980699852924959' title=''/><author><name>R</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04175809969730449639</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cw_VYGRm1-w/SZiq0z-QpeI/AAAAAAAAAAY/3rwBvuZRH9o/S220/1053_Voice.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1375212339"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 17, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-831700179541506308</id><published>2009-06-17T04:40:49.867-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-17T04:40:49.867-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Thanks for the passing remembrance of VR, a cool p...</title><summary type='text'>Thanks for the passing remembrance of VR, a cool poet, great friend of poets and poetry, formidable assemblagiste and artistic person so uniquely sensitive, vulnerable and particularized one can&amp;#39;t help feeling a bit of a bump in the  category shift to considerations of group formation and its instrumentality to being noticed.  Victoria was hardly less memorable or beloved for her singularity.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/831700179541506308'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/831700179541506308'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245228049867#c831700179541506308' title=''/><author><name>TC</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1286882865"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 17, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3213122375333658051</id><published>2009-06-16T23:56:56.487-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T23:56:56.487-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Ron,&#xa;&#xa;I&amp;#39;m not certain that, as you say, &amp;quot;...</title><summary type='text'>Ron,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;m not certain that, as you say, &amp;quot;American Hybrid, the anthology edited by Cole Swensen &amp;amp; David St. John...represents the first major attempt by the poets involved to characterize this new aesthetic...&amp;quot;  There have been at least two other Third-Way/Hybrid anthologies: The Iowa Anthology of New American Poetries and Lyric Postmodernisms, both edited by Reginald </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/3213122375333658051'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/3213122375333658051'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245211016487#c3213122375333658051' title=''/><author><name>Michael Theune</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08121953357805380434</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-971320363"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7723451207844209646</id><published>2009-06-16T22:30:03.165-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T22:30:03.165-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Okay, here we go again (the same thing happened a ...</title><summary type='text'>Okay, here we go again (the same thing happened a few weeks back with an argument about &amp;quot;lyric poetry&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The term has to be defined. If everybody -- or half of everybody -- who graduates from a friggin&amp;#39; program is a poet, then yeah there&amp;#39;s probably thousands of poets. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But that&amp;#39;s a very generous definition, even crazy. Study poetry = poet?  I don&amp;#39;t </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/7723451207844209646'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/7723451207844209646'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245205803165#c7723451207844209646' title=''/><author><name>Steven Fama</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13733977161680651117</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-862679579"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7198695125753510785</id><published>2009-06-16T17:05:15.457-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T17:05:15.457-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I think Seth is arguing, successfully, for a large...</title><summary type='text'>I think Seth is arguing, successfully, for a larger number.  For anyone who cares about such things....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My quibble would be in labeling.  Is someone who has read, say, 20 poetry books in his/her life, and written, say, 30 poems, a &amp;quot;poet&amp;quot;?  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;IF you&amp;#39;re going to count among the active &amp;quot;poets&amp;quot; everyone who buys a poetry book, or everyone who took an </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/7198695125753510785'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/7198695125753510785'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245186315457#c7198695125753510785' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5867462097262406305</id><published>2009-06-16T14:55:50.232-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T14:55:50.232-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Per usual, I can&amp;#39;t help myself:&#xa;&#xa;We also know ...</title><summary type='text'>Per usual, I can&amp;#39;t help myself:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We also know that, every 10 years, MFA programs alone (not counting English M.A. programs with CW emphasis, CW Ph.D. programs, or undergrad CW majors/concentrations) graduate 1,000 individuals who--whether or not all are &amp;quot;poets&amp;quot; by Ron&amp;#39;s definition--have at the very least, by definition, spent the time and money and energy to study &lt;em&gt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/5867462097262406305'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/5867462097262406305'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245178550232#c5867462097262406305' title=''/><author><name>Seth Abramson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08059849202129580100</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_0C6zfNUN2dI/RpI1VX9QIyI/AAAAAAAAACI/Ar7qLwIt4AQ/s400/seth.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-11614668"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-7297140083747397282</id><published>2009-06-16T14:33:55.681-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T14:33:55.681-04:00</updated><title type='text'>It seems to me that trying to group poets from the...</title><summary type='text'>It seems to me that trying to group poets from the outside will only work when the poets so grouped are willing to accept the label proffered.  In any case, coteries are for those who benefit from them.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/7297140083747397282'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/7297140083747397282'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245177235681#c7297140083747397282' title=''/><author><name>brian (baj) salchert</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11649691450577647656</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='15' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_aq6Q75KCx78/SVJ_lyyAVpI/AAAAAAAAAOU/-rIvXaOmqOM/S220/azalea+004.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1297934363"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3768164684165636410</id><published>2009-06-16T13:28:26.656-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T13:28:26.656-04:00</updated><title type='text'>If what Seth A. says is correct, about 10,000 name...</title><summary type='text'>If what Seth A. says is correct, about 10,000 names a month on a little press monthly mailing list, then there may be more than 20G English language poets&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It also depends on the definition of poet.  Do I count?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also germane that maybe not directly on point is the claim -- which Al Filreis stands by although he cannot or will not provide details (I&amp;#39;m not sure which it is)</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/3768164684165636410'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/3768164684165636410'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245173306656#c3768164684165636410' title=''/><author><name>Steven Fama</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13733977161680651117</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-862679579"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-3250410526088978943</id><published>2009-06-16T13:25:25.506-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T13:25:25.506-04:00</updated><title type='text'>&amp;quot;nothing much EVER happens worth-a-flying-fuc...</title><summary type='text'>&amp;quot;nothing much EVER happens worth-a-flying-fuck&lt;br /&gt;in a crowd!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This must be the stupidest statement, bar none, I&amp;#39;ve ever read in this blog&amp;#39;s comments. And that&amp;#39;s saying a lot.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/3250410526088978943'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/3250410526088978943'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245173125506#c3250410526088978943' title=''/><author><name>kfd313</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/01639339748894956092</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_3wheiQONWFY/SErWhyxJhFI/AAAAAAAAACc/kT4i_6Q9bGo/S220/mndlbrt.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-2030273302"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5769792604897674031</id><published>2009-06-16T12:56:54.247-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T12:56:54.247-04:00</updated><title type='text'>[Side note: Puncturing holes in a dead horse here,...</title><summary type='text'>[Side note: Puncturing holes in a dead horse here, I know, but Tupelo Press recently revealed it has 10,000 names on its monthly e-mail list.  Unless Tupelo regularly sends its notices to non-poets--unlikely, as the list is largely made up of those who have submitted mss. to Tupelo over the years, including well over a thousand total every year for its two major book contests--you&amp;#39;re saying </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/5769792604897674031'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/5769792604897674031'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245171414247#c5769792604897674031' title=''/><author><name>Seth Abramson</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08059849202129580100</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_0C6zfNUN2dI/RpI1VX9QIyI/AAAAAAAAACI/Ar7qLwIt4AQ/s400/seth.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-11614668"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-5951911543894912053</id><published>2009-06-16T12:20:07.747-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T12:20:07.747-04:00</updated><title type='text'>nothing much EVER happens worth-a-flying-fuck&#xa;in a...</title><summary type='text'>nothing much EVER happens worth-a-flying-fuck&lt;br /&gt;in a crowd!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;maybe this &amp;quot;stretch&amp;quot; of yours is due  that those two arteries that go up to your brain (carotids)&lt;br /&gt;ain&amp;#39;t all-together open?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;the only group that brings a tear to my heart and eyes...     Rolling Thunder&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that it s an advantage  being ignored&lt;br /&gt;by&lt;br /&gt;all groups  and their </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/5951911543894912053'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/5951911543894912053'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245169207747#c5951911543894912053' title=''/><author><name>Ed Baker</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='24' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_SpwtdDR0utk/R3Owpv1OTyI/AAAAAAAAAAM/5uapZyaJmtY/S220/Ed++by+Evie+Baker'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-771816173"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6278800140631305777</id><published>2009-06-16T10:08:14.439-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T10:08:14.439-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I should probably write a whole blog to answer you...</title><summary type='text'>I should probably write a whole blog to answer your assertions in this piece--&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;quot;Sure there are poets who eschew the companionship of their peers – but there is a reason for it. These are poets with issues.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;--wow, what incredible BS!  But You sound like a 3rd rate encounter group leader chastising his minions for not attending the full agenda:  &amp;quot;Oh-oh, Donny </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/6278800140631305777'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/6278800140631305777'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245161294439#c6278800140631305777' title=''/><author><name>Curtis Faville</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1900230786"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-1719660474911323279</id><published>2009-06-16T09:46:52.345-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T09:46:52.345-04:00</updated><title type='text'>&amp;quot;The whole notion of the poet as a solitary p...</title><summary type='text'>&amp;quot;The whole notion of the poet as a solitary practitioner – the splendid isolato – is so out of touch with reality as to be bizarre. Sure there are poets who eschew the companionship of their peers – but there is a reason for it. These are poets with issues.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What a crock!</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/1719660474911323279'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/1719660474911323279'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245160012345#c1719660474911323279' title=''/><author><name>Gary B. Fitzgerald</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/17919492445467135425</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jd60l7fjpIE/SWUBq9hPgcI/AAAAAAAAAAM/DUpzzvPlxb8/S220/kitty.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1865147512"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8635394226043965643</id><published>2009-06-16T09:08:36.486-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T09:08:36.486-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Steven - that depends on how you read &amp;quot;solita...</title><summary type='text'>Steven - that depends on how you read &amp;quot;solitary&amp;quot;.  You cannot divorce something from it&amp;#39;s context, and simply the initial naming of what one writes as poetry signifies influence - the presence of an Other shaping the work, to a greater of lesser extent. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And then there are collaborations....</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/8635394226043965643'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/8635394226043965643'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245157716486#c8635394226043965643' title=''/><author><name>Ross Brighton</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/04917759678804057979</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='28' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2cIxa_flv5U/SeMQ4-pzKrI/AAAAAAAAABA/UTCfzW32UAU/S220/photo.JPG'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1953612295"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-757284875442744817</id><published>2009-06-16T05:52:09.891-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T05:52:09.891-04:00</updated><title type='text'>leapds and&#xa;aughors, the way&#xa;is faire,&#xa;and the varl...</title><summary type='text'>leapds and&lt;br /&gt;aughors, the way&lt;br /&gt;is faire,&lt;br /&gt;and the varlo&lt;br /&gt;aires vorlotted,&lt;br /&gt;but what did their dumb&lt;br /&gt;immaculate skulls&lt;br /&gt;hecumplush?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Warnished Hampoles?&lt;br /&gt;Hymnproles?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How is each city&lt;br /&gt;of cells connected&lt;br /&gt;to every other?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;BY A NON_HUMAN RUE&lt;br /&gt;DU FORCE.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;like butter&lt;br /&gt;in a pan,&lt;br /&gt;the pat&lt;br /&gt;laugh, while&lt;br /&gt;</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/757284875442744817'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/757284875442744817'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245145929891#c757284875442744817' title=''/><author><name>phaneronoemikon</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/08430230355065457354</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='25' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_hLJ2N7ZOgD8/R6EJKLnXPdI/AAAAAAAAAS4/2kJ0hAZuqOs/S220/Ozilanniman.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1411460047"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2009"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-6499572230089578797</id><published>2009-06-16T01:41:37.521-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T01:41:37.521-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Yes, the whole notion of poet as solitary practiio...</title><summary type='text'>Yes, the whole notion of poet as solitary practiioner is a bizarre out of touch with reality notion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Except  for the FACT that  95 or 99 percent of poems are written by people as a solitary practitioners!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&amp;#39;s just you and the pencil, pen, and/or keyboard.  Or have you found another way?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/6499572230089578797'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='https://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/8787044072267138123/comments/default/6499572230089578797'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html?showComment=1245130897521#c6499572230089578797' title=''/><author><name>Steven Fama</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/13733977161680651117</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='https://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-had-just-gotten-off-phone-with.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738579.post-8787044072267138123' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3738579/posts/default/8787044072267138123' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-862679579"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="June 16, 2009"/></entry></feed>