========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 00:54:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: raid timers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII raid timers "I red" see the it girl crimson, said I in red" "The the "I girl see said it in crimson, I Tain see "The it Warped in Man" as well Against Tain. and Against crimson gold Man" and as crimson well figures the Brown Brown of the Bull Cuailinge Cuailinge all against spear-points all figures spear-points of knife-points see women I wailing see red," wailing when "I so through clear the yet Brown they Sands advance toward through the Sands so toward clear Black they Sand advance City and God crossings" Gods crossing" borders men their City crossings" of men the weapons" greatest raid the for least greatest the least the "of raid among of men" the "raid "blank women" with "blank raid body among with men" meagre "raid timers" among "timbered blazing body" and bodies set blazing ablaze" set body" ablaze" "of "sultans taine" decrees" the mirrored the taine" Tain Tain" and Bo Cuailnge" == ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:29:21 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: gobbledegooks of postmo poerty, WAR, & Langour MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT this is sad as they would be the sheepish generation or sheeplike? i may be ancient but dimly recall reading porn under wooden high school desks and one classmate is in prison, another inbedded reporting to USAcentre, another had SEXchanged, many got A's parroting and did well, and who is at peace? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sheila Massni" Smassoni@AOL.COM > > sure thing tom my students will read whatever i tell them to (just like > > Dennis o'neill would eat anything his wife cooked or at least that's what > his > > wife told her mother in law Anastasia keating oneill in Belleville NJ > circa > > late 1880 ies) as they do want their A's veni vidi vici i came i paid my > > tuition i get my a or one hand does not wash the other at evaluation > time.... > 2) I seem stuck in the mulipurpose response mode again so: > > let them hold a Super Bowl IIIV. saDAMites and BUSHies > let theM SIDDown > > ----- Original Mess > From: "Gary Sullivan" > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:12 AM > Subject: How Mainstream Is It? > > excerpted here > > HOW MAINSTREAM IS IT? > > > > It's not enough that we should succeed: Everyone else must fail. > > We want ads EVERYWHERE: It's not enough that > > Linford Christie once wore the Puma logo on his > > Contact lenses. Or that "we" served in Vietnam, the Gulf War > > Neither is it "enough" that we're the most environmentally > > Contaminated place in the Western Hemisphere, nor that > > We pick apart everything Tiger Woods does on the Golf Course. > > It's just not enough to go around weepy and confused. > > > And they have to PAY FOR the writing, the EU haircuts > > Otherwise, people simply turn away from us & we are > > Neither too good nor too bad & are simply recycled-- > > Pardon? What do you mean, "Is that not enough"? > > You might as well ask, "Is it enough that the shower heads in > > The women's locker room are at chin-height, that > > Our poems are endlessly overacted, tirelessly over-emotive > > & pedantically ... melodramatically... morbidly contrived?" > > > > If everyone's going to be like that, the stadium must be named after > > Some stupid product: "The Ban on Meat-based Feeds," > > "After September 11," "Grandstanding & Witless Protest Signs." > > It's not enough that they invite us into their homes, to "live in > > Texas" with them. The key word here is "constantly." > > Must we constantly start over? Are we any closer to God? > > Why must we constantly prove ourselves? Must we constantly > > Be on guard against those "experts" who seem to think we are > > Totally inept and idiotic by virtue of being sheepish? > ..... > > Can't we learn to enjoy the simple pleasures of helicopter noise? > > Must we constantly compare our helicopters to > > Other helicopters? Why must we constantly theorize about helicopters? > > Are they an appropriate code for living? Are they even > > "Realistic"? > > > > We talk as if thought was precise and emotion was vague > > As if thought were a function of understanding > > As if there were no hand there to guide the scalpel's cutting > > As if thought were something "plunged into a sea of words > > & come up dripping." Do thoughts even work? Thought ought > > To be the most democratic of arenas, but has become > > Just another obscure professional specialty, the corpse wheeled away, > > The kidneys, the glands, the bruised heart--all tossed into a saucepan. > > > 3) I've always heard this as gobbledegook, but I also think we are > experiencing a whole dictionary of press gobblledegookification of > ABCCNNFOXNBC USAcentric ANIMATIONS writhe there in the sand under purple > depeopled plains wafted above palaced Baghdad Sodomandgomorrah Babble or > Babel > Original Mess > From: "Harry Nudel" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:29 AM > Subject: globbleglook said > > > > i can understand some pos might find > > pentagonese too much..Iraqui Freedom etc., > > tho i myself am partial to such as Triple A Fire.. > > for anti-aircraft fire... > > > > but posting Edward Said's globbleglook is > > insufferable..do you acturally READ this stuff, > > is this the language of Williams Whitman & Lincoln.. > > this is brainwashing by cant and rote that the pentagon can only > imagine..garbage language...and an insulting except to Academics whose use > of lang. is no better... > > > > isn't this at least in part about poetry and language..how do > > you stomach this papp...drn... > > tom bell > not yet a crazy old man but sure crazied these days > > > 4). thanks for the article, Ron. One line in this interests me: "poetry is always political" which is a far cry from polemical? This relates to poetry as spoken and experiment vs. the written and enshrined stuff of the USAcentric courses and malls. As an experiment (psychological with a tinge of admitted masochism) I've been sending out poems to local outlets. They were of course ignored by USAcentric places like the public library and the library of the local state U campus and the big city and little city dailies either beccause of politics, nonadherence to 'established' form, or because they are just bad, but they have been picked up by a weekly Spanish-language paper? 5) will a free press and tenure survive the Bush regime? 6) "Not much middle ground in this argument about patriotism" the press' role is not waving the flag or a video game or branding but it is different to say it on state-rum television and become what is being reported. Operation "James" to start anon, alas, and loose lips still sink ships and those pilots are still poppng pills and the music continues to drone under as news crawls under "the first war photographer , having been sent to the Crimea in early 1855 by the British government at the instigation of Prince Albert [in the can?]. Acknowledging the need to counteract the alarm- ing printed accounts of the unanticipated risks and priva- tions endured by the British soldiers dispatched there...." - Langer tom bell not yet a crazy old man but crazied ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 00:22:19 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Masha Zavialova Subject: Re: what poets can do In-Reply-To: <1e2.59175e1.2bb716f2@cs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit High schools had a rigorous Russian lit program to inculcate the correct worldview for future communist builders. Quite a number of pre-revolutionary writers were studied starting from Lomonosov (some earlier names were just mentioned), through Fonvizin, Derzhavin, Griboedov to major figures like Pushkin, Lermonotov, Tolstoi, Dostoevskii, Chernyshevskii, Goncharov, Chekhov and some more poets like Nekrasov, Tiutchev, Fet -- all of them through the lens of a Marxist-Leninist approach.. This list is far from complete. Of the early 20th century Silver Age only Block was studied at length, for his "Twelve" I guess, and of course early Maiakovsky and Esenin. -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Gloria Frym Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 9:34 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: what poets can do Thanks for the information about the proto-feminist movement, Masha. What other pre-Soviet writers were still read and taught for those eighty years, besides Chekhov and Pushkin? How about Tolstoy? Goncharev? Best, Gloria ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:58:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Vidaver Subject: Getting Ready to Have Been Slaughtered MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit US troops accused of excess force Steven Morris Tuesday April 1, 2003 The Guardian Correspondents in Iraq have come upon a number of incidents in which the US military, especially the marines, have appeared to act with excessive force. Here are some examples. The bridge at Nassiriya After suffering heavy losses in the southern city of Nassiriya, US marines were ordered to fire at any vehicle which drove at American positions, Sunday Times reporter Mark Franchetti reported. He described how one night "we listened a dozen times as the machine guns opened fire, cutting through cars and trucks like paper". Next morning he said he saw 15 vehicles, including a mini-van and two lorries, riddled with bullet holes. He said he counted 12 dead civilians lying in the road or in nearby ditches. One man's body was still on fire. A girl aged no more than five lay dead in a ditch beside the body of a man who may have been her father. On the bridge an Iraqi civilian lay next to the carcass of a donkey. A father, baby girl and boy had been buried in a shallow grave. Franchetti said the civilians had been trying to leave the town, probably for fear of being killed by US helicopter attacks or heavy artillery. He wrote: "Their mistake had been to flee over a bridge that is crucial to the coalition's supply lines and to run into a group of shell-shocked young American marines with orders to shoot anything that moved." Cluster bombs A surgical assistant at the Saddam hospital in Nassiriya, Mustafa Mohammed Ali, told the Guardian's James Meek that US aircraft had dropped three or four cluster bombs on civilian areas in the city, killing 10 and wounding 200. He said he understood the US forces going straight to Baghdad to get rid of Saddam Hussein, but added: "I don't want forces to come into [this] city. They have an objective, they go straight to the target. There's no room in the hospital because of the wounded." When he saw the bodies of two dead marines, he revealed that he cheered silently. Meek also told the story of a 50-year-old businessman and farmer, Said Yagur, who said marines searched his house and took his son, Nathen, his Kalashnikov rifle and 3m dinars (about £500). The marines argued the money was probably destined for terrorist activities. After protests by the father, who rose up against Saddam Hussein after the last Gulf War and had his house shelled by the dictator's artillery, they let the son go and returned the gun and money. The road to Baghdad Reporters have seen more than a dozen burnt-out buses and trucks and the bodies of at least 60 Iraqi men on the road north of Nassiriya. A photograph carried in the Guardian last week showed a bus which had been attacked by US troops. Bloodstained corpses lay nearby. Reuters journalist Sean Maguire said there were four bodies outside the bus and - according to the marines - 16 more inside. The Americans told him the dead men wore a mix of civilian and military clothing and were in possession of papers "that appeared to identify them as Republican Guard". But Brigadier General John Kelly admitted to Maguire: "We have very little time to decide if a truck or bus is going to be hostile." The reporter described the bullet-ridden bus and the bodies as "evidence of the ruthless efficiency with which lead marine units are clearing the road north of Nassiriya to make way for a military convoy". Exuberance A British officer was alarmed when the American marines who were escorting him through the port of Umm Qasr let loose a volley of rifle fire at a house on the outskirts of town. The officer told Reuters reporter David Fox: "They said they had been sniped out from there a few days ago so they like to give them a warning every now and then. That is something we [the British] would never condone." A US special forces officer said it was sometimes difficult to contain the exuberance of men doing the actual fighting. "You got to realise these guys are single-minded in their training. It's look after yourself and your buddies. How do we know who the enemy is?" http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,926934,00.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 04:47:34 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: The Divine Right of Murder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Divine Right of Murder King Egbert was the son-in-law of the emperor Charlemagne. King Aethelwulf is the son of King Egbert of Wessex. King Alfred the Great is the son of King Aethelwulf. King Edward "the Elder" is the son of King Alfred the Great. King Robert I Bruce is the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grea t(13)grandson of King Edward "the Elder." King Robert II Stuart is the grandson of King Robert I Bruce. George Herbert Walker Bush is the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grea t-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great(22)grandson of King Robert II Stuart. George Walker Bush is the son of George Herbert Walker Bush. ************************************************************* Henry I of England married Matilda of Scotland, who was a direct descendant of Cerdic, King of the West Saxons, first Saxon king in 519. Henry I of England is the son of of William the Conqueror of Normandy. George Herbert Walker Bush is the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grea t-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-gr eat-great(27)grandson of Henry I of England. George Walker Bush is the son of George Herbert Walker Bush. ******************************** Our President, George Walker Bush, is the direct decsendant of Kings Cerdic, Egbert, Aelthelwulf, Alfred the Great, Edward the Elder, William the Conqueror, Henry I, Robert I Bruce, and Robert II Stuart, and the son of George Herbert Walker Bush. He is the direct descendant of two distinct monarchies of England, that of Egbert and of William the Conqueror. ******************************** The state of monarchy is the supremest thing upon earth; for kings are not only God's lieutenants upon earth, and sit upon God's throne, but even by God himself are called gods. There be three principal similitudes that illustrate the state of monarchy: one taken out of the word of God; and the two other out of the grounds of policy and philosophy. In the Scriptures kings are called gods, and so their power after a certain relation compared to the divine power. Kings are also compared to fathers of families: for a king is truly Parens patriae, the politique father of his people. And lastly, kings are compared to the head of this microcosm of the body of man. Kings are justly called gods, for that they exercise a manner or resemblance of divine power upon earth: for if you will consider the attributes to God, you shall see how they agree in the person of a king. God hath power to create or destrov make or unmake at his pleasure, to give life or send death, to judge all and to be judged nor accountable to none; to raise low things and to make high things low at his pleasure, and to God are both souls and body due. And the like power have kings: they make and unmake their subjects, thev have power of raising and casting down, of life and of death, judges over all their subjects and in all causes and yet accountable to none but God only. . . . I conclude then this point touching the power of kings with this axiom of divinity, That as to dispute what God may do is blasphemy....so is it sedition in subjects to dispute what a king may do in the height of his power. But just kings will ever be willing to declare what they will do, if they will not incur the curse of God. I will not be content that my power be disputed upon; but I shall ever be willing to make the reason appear of all my doings, and rule my actions according to my laws. . . I would wish you to be careful to avoid three things in the matter of grievances: First, that you do not meddle with the main points of government; that is my craft . . . to meddle with that were to lesson me . . . I must not be taught my office. Secondly, I would not have you meddle with such ancient rights of mine as I have received from my predecessors . . . . All novelties are dangerous as well in a politic as in a natural body. and therefore I would be loath to be quarreled in my ancient rights and possessions, for that were to judge me unworthy of that which my predecessors had and left me. And lastly, I pray you beware to exhibit for grievance anything that is established by a settled law, and whereunto . . . you know I will never give a plausible answer; for it is an undutiful part in subjects to press their king, wherein they know beforehand he will refuse them. From King James I, Works, (1609). *************************************** William the Conqueror is the son of Robert I "the Devil," Duke of Normandy. *************************************** King Edward the Confessor is the great-great-great grandson of King Alfred the Great. King Harold II is the son of King Edward the Confessor. King William I the Conqueror killed King Harold II and took his throne. George Walker Bush is the direct descendant of two families who tried to kill one another for the throne of England. *************************************** Emperor Charlemagne, great^42 uncle of George Walker Bush, is son of Pepin III, King of the Franks, and part of the House of Pepin. Three of Charlemagne's sons became Kings, of Neustria, Aquitaine, and Italy. His Grandchildren include another King of Italy, King of Germany, King of Aquitaine, King of Neustria, and Emperors Lothair I & Charles the Bald (also King of Aquitaine). Charlemagne's direct descendants include Emperors Guido, Lambert, Louis II, Louis II, and the French kings Charles II the Fat of France, Charles III the Simple, Louis II, III, IV, V, Lothair, and King Arnulf of Germany. Arnulf's direct descendants (the Welf and Hohenstaufen families) include at least two popes and Emperors Henry IV, V, VI, Conrad III & IV, Frederick I and II, Philip, and Otto IV. From Philip is descended the House of Castile, which includes Ferdinand II, King of Aragon and sponsor of Christopher Columbus. Ferdinand's two grandchildren, Emperors Charles I (later Emperor Charles V), and Ferdinand I, are the children of Philip of Hapsburg and serve as the patriarchs of the Spanish and Austrian Hapsburg families, respectively. Hapsburg literally means, "Hawk's Castle." *************************************** George Washington, like George Bush, is a direct descendant of King Egbert who married into the Charlemagne dynasty. He is descended through two family lineages that managed to come together after 1000 years. This makes them distant cousins. Interestingly enough, Washington is ALSO directly descended from William the Conqueror. In fact, the Charlemagne family is interlaced with the pre-Norman Invasion English Kings (re: inbred). Franklin Delano Roosevelt is directly descended from the Charlemagne dynasty, from Egbert and from William. Roosevelt is also a direct descendant of the Polish King Mieszko I, Danish King Svend I, and English King Merfyn. Interestingly enough, Roosevelt father AND mother are both direct descendants of William the Conqueror. James Monroe is the great^12 grandson of King James I Stuart. And so on and on.... *************************************** Thank you God for Your Great Blessings. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:55:25 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: muse apprentice guild Subject: muse apprentice guild news! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi everyone! 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 07:57:32 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: howard zinn's little instruction book Comments: To: oconn001@umn.edu, reiner@cats.ucsc.edu, laurelreiner@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >On Getting Along >By Howard Zinn >You ask how I manage to stay involved and remain seemingly happy and >adjusted to this awful world where the efforts of caring people pale >in comparison to those who have power? > >It's easy. First, don't let "those who have power" intimidate you. >No matter how much power they have they cannot prevent you from >living your life, speaking your mind, thinking independently, having >relationships with people as you like. (Read Emma Goldman's >autobiography "Living My Life". Harassed, even imprisoned by >authority, she insisted on living her life, speaking out, however >she felt like.) > >Second, find people to be with who have your values, your >commitments, but who also have a sense of humor. That combination >is a necessity! > >Third (notice how precise is my advice that I can confidently number >it, the way scientist number things), understand that the major >media will not tell you of all the acts of resistance taking place >every day in the society, the strikes, the protests, the individual >acts of courage in the face of authority. Look around (and you will >certainly find it) for the evidence of these unreported acts. And >for the little you find, extrapolate from that and assume there must >be a thousand times as much as what you've found. > >Fourth: Note that throughout history people have felt powerless >before authority, but that at certain times these powerless people, >by organizing, acting, risking, persisting, have created enough >power to change the world around them, even if a little. That is the >history of the labor movement, of the women's movement, of the >anti-Vietnam war movement, the disable persons' movement, the gay >and lesbian movement, the movement of Black people in the South. > >Fifth: Remember, that those who have power, and who seem >invulnerable are in fact quite vulnerable, that their power depends >on the obedience of others, and when those others begin withholding >that obedience, begin defying authority, that power at the top turns >out to be very fragile. Generals become powerless when their >soldiers refuse to fight, industrialists become powerless when their >workers leave their jobs or occupy the factories. > >Sixth: When we forget the fragility of that power in the top we >become astounded when it crumbles in the face of rebellion. We have >had many such surprises in our time, both in the United States and >in other countries. > >Seventh: Don't look for a moment of total triumph. See it as an >ongoing struggle, with victories and defeats, but in the long run >the consciousness of people growing. So you need patience, >persistence, and need to understand that even when you don't "win," >there is fun and fulfillment in the fact that you have been >involved, with other good people, in something worthwhile. > >Okay, seven pieces of profound advice should be enough. -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:15:53 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Russian schoolchildren protesting In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Anybody notice the CNN (I think it was) report that schoolchildren in one Russian town are protesting the Iraq war by giving up Snickers and chewing gum? No joke. Hal ¿Quien es más macho--Saddam Hussein o George W. Bush? Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 05:26:37 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Data, Dreaming: Cory Arcangel's Data Diaries Comments: cc: "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Renee , rhizome , thingist , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Seeing the computer as an anthropomorphic entity is nothing new. Hackers have been known to pat their machines affectionately on the case, calling them by familiar names. "Ole Martha's struggling with some low-RAM issues," they say. I myself have an affectionate name for my machine: I call her Katherine, which is my girlfriend's middle name... http://www.furtherfield.org/crit/index.htm http://www.lewislacook.com/ net art review: http://www.netartreview.net/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html furtherfield: http://www.furtherfield.org/home.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:40:32 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: "At the Roadblock" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the Roadblock Vastly abandoned, the eskers and terminal moraines of southern Finland made for diverse and enjoyable reading. Edmund, by comparison, is a bore, and, sadly, only one of many there. Almost seamlessly, snow cleared by ploughing, they wind across the glaciated countryside, tunneling, sometimes, under the ice, becoming more or less filled with wash when the ice melts. Positively slashing, among the occasionally puzzled relics of doorsteps and yardworks, setting aside completely, push having come to shove, their pre- conceptions of the shifting nature surrounding them. Ultimately redoubtable, the double-minded farmer gives rise to fear, even to dread, and is thus to be respected, at least for the moment, beyond his (or her) ability to do us severe and actual damage. Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:38:42 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt Subject: All because (7.) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- All because ... (7.) A great deal of nonsense Be in the affiant's own Carrying case in which they Desire. When the body's blood Efficiently. The department was organized Far more complex than things Gains. The use of these Happiness is a basic cultural Imagine. Practically the entire world Jogging suit and durable storage Kind of cleavage we are Lest some incident should upset Matches and his opponent eight No sample key is available Of forms," "reasoning," etc.; but Part by requests from abroad Quite a fraud, but it Remedy to stop vomiting. Learn Selves are experienced as demonic That Seven. Crown whiskey "holds Usage, and so on. These Victim through an unjust punishment Was talked on all sides "Xoanephores" of Sophocles; Byron's "Sardanapalus" Young and enthusiastic about her Zero airspeed and zero altitude ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:19:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Levitsky Subject: reasons to leave the house april 5, NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HEY FOLKS, THIS IS aN uNCOMMON eVENT. pLEASE COME. SEGUE READING APRIL 5 MACGREGOR CARD and CHUCK STEBELTON BOWERY POETRY CLUb http://www.bowerypoetry.com/ 308 BOWERY, JUST NORTH OF HOUSTON SATURDAYS FROM 4 - 6 PM $4 admission goes to support the readers sEe cHuCkS blOG: (POETIC) http://wittybios.blogspot.com/ Macgregor Card lives in Brooklyn and is the author of Souvenir Winner (Hophophop). Poems are in Aufgabe, Lungfull!, The Hat, Slope, East Village Poetry & canwehaveourballback. He edits The Germ with Andrew Maxwell and next year in Brazil he will work on the poems of Paulo Leminski and the Neo-Pythagorean Dario Vellozo and launch a mag. for Brazilian/American poetries in translation. Chuck Stebelton lives in Chicago. He has performed in collaboration with choreographers Selene Carter (In Leaves and 9 Bob Dylan Songs) and Julia Mayer (Repository); under the direction of Ann Carlson (Night Light); and with the multidisciplinary performance ensemble Running With Scissors (The Man Who Fell in Love with the Moon). His writing has appeared in Mungo vs. Ranger. APRIL AND MAY SEGUE CURATED BY RENEE GLADMAN & RACHEL LEVITSKY Funding is made possible by the continuing support of the Segue Foundation and the Literature Program of the New York State Council on the Arts. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:19:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clai Rice Subject: bomb and grammar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII INTRODUCTION What is a Noun? A noun is a person, a place, a thing, or an idea. Let's talk about the way words are formed in Tagalog. This will help you to understand Tagalog nouns. There are a lot of root words in Tagalog. A root word is simply a basic, core word that can be used to make other words, like an atom, or a building block that is used to make a tower. In Tagalog, most root words function as nouns. It is like the default position: if there are not any extra parts (suffixes, or prefixes etc.) added to the word, then the word is a root and it probably functions as a noun. Let's look at an example from English to help make this clear. Root words in English are words like beauty, bomb, kick etc. Take the root word bomb. On its own, the word bomb can function as a noun as can be seen in the following sentence: Give me the bomb. (The bomb is a thing I want someone to give to me. Remember the definition of a noun is a person, place or thing.) Now with this basic root word that functions as a noun, I can further add things to this noun to make it a verb: We bombed them yesterday. This is basically the same way how Tagalog builds up different words. Root words in Tagalog are words like ganda (beauty), ilong (nose), and awit (song). If I take a root word like ganda, and put on a certain addition to this word (in this case ma-) I can make ganda into an adjective. ganda (beauty) ganda + ma = maganda (beautiful) All of the long, complicated looking words that we will encounter in Tagalog will have a core, root word embedded in there somewhere. In reading or listening to Tagalog, it is helpful to be able to recognize which part is the root word so you can tell what the basic meaning of the word is. Then by looking at the special markers that have been added to this root word, you can find out just exactly how this root word is being used. That is the basic theme to understanding Tagalog vocabulary and how Tagalog builds words. We will return to this theme again and again. This is the really important beginning point to understand. The following sections below contain more detailed information about nouns and roots. (from http://www.seasite.niu.edu/tagalog/Grammar%20Activities/Grammar%201 /Noun%20Pl&Mod/The%20Noun-Plural.htm) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:39:35 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Kill for George Comments: To: HeleneAylon@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This comes from a reliable source. Fodder for Monty Python? Saddam Hussein's probably got a similar tear-out. xxxGF ----- Original Message ----- Before this Administration came along, it was hard to imagine that something as intensely personal and private as a man's prayer before going into battle could be appropriated in a business-like fashion. Now, according to "A Christian's Duty in Time of War" -- a pamphlet given out to thousands of Marines in Iraq -- our soldiers in the war zone are supposed to fill out a form pledging to pray every day for George Bush. The pamphlet has a tear-out section which the soldier is to sign and mail to the president: "I have committed to pray for you, your family, your staff ..." The pamphlets were created by In Touch Ministries, an evangelical group that says "We may not all be in the military, but we are all engaged in warfare ... spiritual warfare." Today's prayer: "Pray that the President and his advisers will be strong and courageous to do what is right regardless of critics." (Translation: Pray that, even if all agree this war is a horrific catastrophe, even if Congress leaps to its feet in anger and despair, even if millions of Americans pour into the streets begging to bring you home -- even then, pray that the president will wave aside his critics and order you forward.) Wednesday's: "Pray that the President and his advisers will be safe, healthy, well-rested and free from fear." (Well-rested?) Friday's prayer cuts to the chase: "Pray that the President and his advisers will recognize their divine appointment ..." It includes some helpfully illuminating scripture, Romans 13:1: "Every person is to be in subjugation to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:45:23 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Kill for George MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What "reliable source"? -Joel W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria Frym" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:39 AM Subject: Kill for George > This comes from a reliable source. Fodder for Monty Python? Saddam Hussein's > probably got a similar tear-out. xxxGF > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Before this Administration came along, it was hard to imagine that > something as intensely personal and private as a man's prayer before > going into battle could be appropriated in a business-like fashion. > Now, according to "A Christian's Duty in Time of War" -- a pamphlet > given out to thousands of Marines in Iraq -- our soldiers in the war > zone are supposed to fill out a form pledging to pray every day for > George Bush. The pamphlet has a tear-out section which the soldier is > to sign and mail to the president: "I have committed to pray for you, > your family, your staff ..." The pamphlets were created by In Touch > Ministries, an evangelical group that says "We may not all be in the > military, but we are all engaged in warfare ... spiritual warfare." > > Today's prayer: "Pray that the President and his advisers will be > strong and courageous to do what is right regardless of critics." > (Translation: Pray that, even if all agree this war is a horrific > catastrophe, even if Congress leaps to its feet in anger and despair, > even if millions of Americans pour into the streets begging to bring > you home -- even then, pray that the president will wave aside his > critics and order you forward.) Wednesday's: "Pray that the President > and his advisers will be safe, healthy, well-rested and free from > fear." (Well-rested?) Friday's prayer cuts to the chase: "Pray that the > President and his advisers will recognize their divine appointment ..." > It includes some helpfully illuminating scripture, Romans 13:1: "Every > person is to be in subjugation to the governing authorities. For there > is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established > by God." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:29:37 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: CE Putnam Subject: Re: Kill for George In-Reply-To: <007501c2f86e$17930fc0$cbfdfc83@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii a quick google led me to this: http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s819685.htm is abc.au "reliable"? -c --- Joel Weishaus wrote: > What "reliable source"? > > -Joel W. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria Frym" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:39 AM > Subject: Kill for George > > > > This comes from a reliable source. Fodder for > Monty Python? Saddam > Hussein's > > probably got a similar tear-out. xxxGF > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > Before this Administration came along, it was hard > to imagine that > > something as intensely personal and private as a > man's prayer before > > going into battle could be appropriated in a > business-like fashion. > > Now, according to "A Christian's Duty in Time of > War" -- a pamphlet > > given out to thousands of Marines in Iraq -- our > soldiers in the war > > zone are supposed to fill out a form pledging to > pray every day for > > George Bush. The pamphlet has a tear-out section > which the soldier is > > to sign and mail to the president: "I have > committed to pray for you, > > your family, your staff ..." The pamphlets were > created by In Touch > > Ministries, an evangelical group that says "We may > not all be in the > > military, but we are all engaged in warfare ... > spiritual warfare." > > > > Today's prayer: "Pray that the President and his > advisers will be > > strong and courageous to do what is right > regardless of critics." > > (Translation: Pray that, even if all agree this > war is a horrific > > catastrophe, even if Congress leaps to its feet in > anger and despair, > > even if millions of Americans pour into the > streets begging to bring > > you home -- even then, pray that the president > will wave aside his > > critics and order you forward.) Wednesday's: "Pray > that the President > > and his advisers will be safe, healthy, > well-rested and free from > > fear." (Well-rested?) Friday's prayer cuts to the > chase: "Pray that the > > President and his advisers will recognize their > divine appointment ..." > > It includes some helpfully illuminating scripture, > Romans 13:1: "Every > > person is to be in subjugation to the governing > authorities. For there > > is no authority except from God, and those which > exist are established > > by God." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:42:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: Kill for George In-Reply-To: <007501c2f86e$17930fc0$cbfdfc83@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII this comes from the Nation. it's the Daily Outrage column by Matt Bivens. Robert -- Robert Corbett "I will discuss perfidy with scholars as rcor@u.washington.edu as if spurning kisses, I will sip Department of English the marble marrow of empire. I want sugar University of Washington but I shall never wear shame and if you call that sophistry then what is Love" - Lisa Robertson On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Joel Weishaus wrote: > What "reliable source"? > > -Joel W. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria Frym" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:39 AM > Subject: Kill for George > > > > This comes from a reliable source. Fodder for Monty Python? Saddam > Hussein's > > probably got a similar tear-out. xxxGF > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > Before this Administration came along, it was hard to imagine that > > something as intensely personal and private as a man's prayer before > > going into battle could be appropriated in a business-like fashion. > > Now, according to "A Christian's Duty in Time of War" -- a pamphlet > > given out to thousands of Marines in Iraq -- our soldiers in the war > > zone are supposed to fill out a form pledging to pray every day for > > George Bush. The pamphlet has a tear-out section which the soldier is > > to sign and mail to the president: "I have committed to pray for you, > > your family, your staff ..." The pamphlets were created by In Touch > > Ministries, an evangelical group that says "We may not all be in the > > military, but we are all engaged in warfare ... spiritual warfare." > > > > Today's prayer: "Pray that the President and his advisers will be > > strong and courageous to do what is right regardless of critics." > > (Translation: Pray that, even if all agree this war is a horrific > > catastrophe, even if Congress leaps to its feet in anger and despair, > > even if millions of Americans pour into the streets begging to bring > > you home -- even then, pray that the president will wave aside his > > critics and order you forward.) Wednesday's: "Pray that the President > > and his advisers will be safe, healthy, well-rested and free from > > fear." (Well-rested?) Friday's prayer cuts to the chase: "Pray that the > > President and his advisers will recognize their divine appointment ..." > > It includes some helpfully illuminating scripture, Romans 13:1: "Every > > person is to be in subjugation to the governing authorities. For there > > is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established > > by God." > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:08:42 -0800 Reply-To: mecr@sbcglobal.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mecr Subject: Re: Kill for George In-Reply-To: <152.1dbcb8c8.2bbb1ac7@cs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>The pamphlets were created by In Touch Ministries, an evangelical group that says "We may not all be in the military, but we are all engaged in warfare ... spiritual warfare."<< Sounds like what Virilio calls "pure war." All soldiers of Christ? Meanwhile the current administration's sense of divine entitlement echoes the Crusades (a correspondence already much discussed here) as well as Winthrop's "citty opon a hill." God help us. Maria Elena -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Gloria Frym Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:40 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Kill for George This comes from a reliable source. Fodder for Monty Python? Saddam Hussein's probably got a similar tear-out. xxxGF ----- Original Message ----- Before this Administration came along, it was hard to imagine that something as intensely personal and private as a man's prayer before going into battle could be appropriated in a business-like fashion. Now, according to "A Christian's Duty in Time of War" -- a pamphlet given out to thousands of Marines in Iraq -- our soldiers in the war zone are supposed to fill out a form pledging to pray every day for George Bush. The pamphlet has a tear-out section which the soldier is to sign and mail to the president: "I have committed to pray for you, your family, your staff ..." Today's prayer: "Pray that the President and his advisers will be strong and courageous to do what is right regardless of critics." (Translation: Pray that, even if all agree this war is a horrific catastrophe, even if Congress leaps to its feet in anger and despair, even if millions of Americans pour into the streets begging to bring you home -- even then, pray that the president will wave aside his critics and order you forward.) Wednesday's: "Pray that the President and his advisers will be safe, healthy, well-rested and free from fear." (Well-rested?) Friday's prayer cuts to the chase: "Pray that the President and his advisers will recognize their divine appointment ..." It includes some helpfully illuminating scripture, Romans 13:1: "Every person is to be in subjugation to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:15:05 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: lewislacook.com redesign Comments: To: rhizome , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---been messing about with my site lately//// have redesigned much of it, added more links on the link page (more to come, natch), added some new stuff to the works page (including some mp3 and text generator downloads), and in general just prettied the thing up//// take a look, lemme know how it strikes.... bliss l http://www.lewislacook.com/ net art review: http://www.netartreview.net/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html furtherfield: http://www.furtherfield.org/home.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:23:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Thom Ward event Comments: To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Poet Thom Ward Will Read From His Poetry at Rochester Poets April = Meeting CONTACT: Gerald Schwartz, Secretary, Rochester Poets 585.266.2392 / or schwartzgk@msn.com Poet Thom Ward will read from his work at the April meeting=20 of the Rochester Poets on Saturday, April 12th, 2003 at 2:00 pm.,=20 Covenant United Methodist Church, 1124 Culver Road,=20 Rochester, NY 14609. The event is free and open to the public. Thom Ward holds degrees in English from The College of Wooster=20 and the SUNY College at Brockport. Currently, he is Editor/Development=20 Director for BOA Editions, Ltd., an independent publishing house of=20 American poetry and poetry in translation. He is the only editor=20 ever to edit two poetry collections nominated in a single year for=20 The National Book Award for Poetry: Kim Addonizio's Tell Me and=20 Lucille Clifton's Blessing the Boats - the eventual winner of the 2001 = Award. Ward's poetry collection, Small Boat With Oars of Different Size,=20 was published in 1999 by Carnegie Mellon University Press. Ward's=20 poetry chapbook, Tumblekid, the winner of the 1998 Devil's Millhopper=20 Poetry Contest, was published in 2000 by the University South=20 Carolina-Aiken. A new collection of poems, Various Orbits, will be=20 published by Carnegie Mellon this year. Ward teaches creative writing workshops at elementary and high=20 schools and through the Writers & Books Literary Center, as well=20 as tutoring individual students. In 1999 Ward received a writing=20 fellowship from the Constance Saltonstall Foundation for the Arts.=20 He is also the recipient of five mini-grants from the New York=20 Foundation for the Arts, and has served as Chairman of the Literature=20 panel of the New York State Council on the Arts in 2000 and 2001.=20 He has given many poetry readings throughout the United States,=20 and his poems have been published widely in literary journals,=20 newspapers, and anthologies, including American Poetry: The=20 Next Generation, which includes the country's leading poets under=20 age forty. His poetry has been read by Garrison Keillor on Minnesota=20 Public Radio's The Writer's Almanac. Thom Ward lives with his wife,=20 three children, two cottonwood trees, a dog, a cat and a fish in=20 Palmyra, New York. -30-=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:25:37 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Richard Caddel (1949-2003) Comments: cc: core-l@listserv.buffalo.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have just received this tremendously sad note from Peter Quatermain -- "I'm sorry to tell you that Richard Caddel died this morning at 11.45 UK time. He had a sudden and massive infection." * In a statement on his home page, Ric writes: "I started reading and writing poems for the excitement of physical impact of words joined together (though I doubt I'd have named it so then) and when that ceases to surprise and amaze me, to be a path of discovery, I'll stop." Born in Bedford July 13th 1949 (John Clare's birthday); grew up in Gillingham, Kent. Studied music in Newcastle 1968-71; worked in Durham University Library 1972-2000. Retired due to ill-health (leukaemia). Married Ann in 1971; son Tom (1976-1995); daughter Lucy born 1978. Ran Pig Press with Ann 1972-2000; helped run Morden Tower readings (Newcastle) 1973-4; initiated Colpitts readings (Durham) 1975. Director of the Basil Bunting Poetry Centre, Durham University, since 1989.(http://www.dur.ac.uk/basil_bunting_poetry.centre/). Together with Peter Quartermain, he is the editor of the anthology Other: British and Irish Poetry since 1970 (Wesleyan University Press). Recent books: Magpie Words: Selected Poems 1970-2000. 2002, West House Books, Sheffield, 192pp. Monksnailsongs (with Tony Baker). 2002, Wild Honey Press, Bray, Eire [in press]. For The Fallen. 2000, Wild Honey Press, Bray, Eire. 44pp. Underwriter. 1998, Maquette Press, Beaworthy. 2nd ed. 1999, Poetry New York, New York. 16pp. Larksong Signal. 1997, Shearsman, Plymouth. 64pp. Richard Caddel's BEPC home page: http://www.soton.ac.uk/%7Ebepc/poetcadd.html0 His Durham University home page: http://www.dur.ac.uk/r.i.caddel/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:51:23 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: the vortex lemons quatorzain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed submissives hair the drum the way Fortune Streets does & just sit there counting back like varmints, souring my silver with air relentless & desolate, their puppets hooded underwater buffalos O perfumed are their pressure-glass'd sides banned is their burning lungs monkey their flushed heads lip everything which clouds spit and narrowest newspapers moon O horizontally toward mouth now continuously will history with birds light principal wool will have them raining pleasure wildwood all around glided back to the superimposed me? I’m of rose & bull-headed where volcano teeth grow on pegs upright love’s pale clear squirm's papery of eye today drank sun dethroned for ocean utterance bottomless & lost again _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:06:20 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MAXINE CHERNOFF Subject: Poetry and Fiction Reading at Cody's, Berkeley, CA In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030401131443.03168570@pop.bway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII April 13, 7:30 pm 2425 Telegraph (at Haste) Maxine Chernoff and Terese Svoboda ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:14:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Richard Caddel (1949-2003) Comments: To: bernstei@BWAY.NET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline 100 light on the air he lived deftly delightful with a personal speech if he was over in gracing going in falling unselfish a bright tight lad kind to them all ever our loss a winner in his words all gentle and warm wit was unrealised when from us all he went from For The Fallen, by Ric Caddel. His words for his son true of him too though his wit be realised. Mairéad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> bernstei@BWAY.NET 04/01/03 13:53 PM >>> I have just received this tremendously sad note from Peter Quatermain -- "I'm sorry to tell you that Richard Caddel died this morning at 11.45 UK time. He had a sudden and massive infection." * In a statement on his home page, Ric writes: "I started reading and writing poems for the excitement of physical impact of words joined together (though I doubt I'd have named it so then) and when that ceases to surprise and amaze me, to be a path of discovery, I'll stop." Born in Bedford July 13th 1949 (John Clare's birthday); grew up in Gillingham, Kent. Studied music in Newcastle 1968-71; worked in Durham University Library 1972-2000. Retired due to ill-health (leukaemia). Married Ann in 1971; son Tom (1976-1995); daughter Lucy born 1978. Ran Pig Press with Ann 1972-2000; helped run Morden Tower readings (Newcastle) 1973-4; initiated Colpitts readings (Durham) 1975. Director of the Basil Bunting Poetry Centre, Durham University, since 1989.(http://www.dur.ac.uk/basil_bunting_poetry.centre/). Together with Peter Quartermain, he is the editor of the anthology Other: British and Irish Poetry since 1970 (Wesleyan University Press). Recent books: Magpie Words: Selected Poems 1970-2000. 2002, West House Books, Sheffield, 192pp. Monksnailsongs (with Tony Baker). 2002, Wild Honey Press, Bray, Eire [in press]. For The Fallen. 2000, Wild Honey Press, Bray, Eire. 44pp. Underwriter. 1998, Maquette Press, Beaworthy. 2nd ed. 1999, Poetry New York, New York. 16pp. Larksong Signal. 1997, Shearsman, Plymouth. 64pp. Richard Caddel's BEPC home page: http://www.soton.ac.uk/%7Ebepc/poetcadd.html0 His Durham University home page: http://www.dur.ac.uk/r.i.caddel/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:07:34 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: This Sat 4/5 in SPT's New Experiments: Camille Martin on Poetry & Cognitive Science MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Small Press Traffic presents Saturday, April 5, 2003 at 3:30 PM New Experiments: Camille Martin has Poetry on the Brain Talk and discussion begins at 3:30, reading at 5:00 Camille Martin writes: "For poets and dreamers - and brain researchers -it's a commonplace that conscious thought is only a tiny island in a vast neural sea. The embodied nature of thought and the inaccessibility of much of it to consciousness has profound implications for poetry and poetics. Furthermore, recent discussions in cognitive science about the construction of self and narrative echo similar concerns in experimental poetry. I will discuss some of these correspondences and propose ways in which recent developments in cognitive science during the "decade of the brain" contribute to a richer understanding of recent experimental poetry." Martin is a New Orleans poet and translator. Her collections of poetry are sesame kiosk (Potes & Poets, 2001), magnus loop (Chax Press,1999), rogue embryo (Lavender Ink, 1999), and Plastic Heaven (Fell Swoop, 1996). She will read from a new work, codes of public sleep. Martin founded and co-curates the Lit City Poetry Reading Series in New Orleans and is currently completing a dissertation on contemporary experimental poetry and its conjunction with phenomenology and cognitive science. For more information on our New Experiments series, please see http://www.sptraffic.org/html/events/newex.html $5, free to SPT members & the CCAC community. Timken Lecture Hall, CCAC 1111 - 8th Street, San Francisco (just off the intersection of 16th & Wisconsin) for directions and map see our website http://www.sptraffic.org Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson, Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCAC 1111 - 8th Street San Francisco, California 94107 http://www.sptraffic.org 415-551-9278 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:36:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: The Poetry Project Subject: Poetry Project Announcements Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit OPEN READING Poets for Peace, Poets Against the War, and Poetry Is News invite all poets to an open reading on the steps of St. Mark's Church at 131 E 10th St (on the corner of 2nd Ave) on Wednesday April 2 from noon to 2pm. This is an open call for poets to bring their own and others' anti-war poems. For more info: www.poetsagainstthewar.org *** BERNADETTE MAYER SUMMER WORKSHOPS Come enjoy the rustic setting at Bernadette's Upstate New York country house. Relax by two streams and take walks in the woods. If you are interested in a weekend filled with poetry "away from it all" e-mail psgood@hotmail.com or write to Poetry Workshop, 53 Tsatsawassa Lake Rd, East Nassau, NY 12062. Workshops will be one-on-one or very small groups. Weekend workshops will be running thoughout the summer. Reply with dates that would best fit your schedule. Arrive Friday til Sunday. Transport from the Albany Amtrak station or bus, meals and bed included for $200. *** THIS WEEK AT THE POETRY PROJECT WEDNESDAY APRIL 2 [8:00pm] ROD SMITH AND GARY SULLIVAN FRIDAY APRIL 4 [10:00pm] FALL WORKSHOP READING http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html *** WEDNESDAY APRIL 2 [8:00pm] ROD SMITH AND GARY SULLIVAN Rod Smith is the author of In Memory of My Theories (O Books), The Boy Poems (BDB), Protective Immediacy (Roof), New Mannerist Tricycle with Lisa Jarnot and Bill Luoma (Beautiful Swimmer), and Music or Honesty (forthcoming from Roof). The Good House, a long poem, was recently published by Spectacular Books. Poemes de laraignee was just published in France by Bureau sur l'Atlantique. His work has appeared in numerous magazines and anthologies including Anthology of New (American) Poets, The Baffler, The Gertrude Stein Awards, Open City, and Shenandoah. He edits Aerial magazine, publishes Edge Books, and manages Bridge Street Books in Washington, DC. Gary Sullivan is the author of Dead Man (Meow Press), How to Proceed in the Arts (Faux Press) and, with Nada Gordon, Swoon (Granary Books). His cartoon, "The New Life," has been serialized in Rain Taxi Review of Books since 1996. His poetry, plays, comics, and essays have appeared in many magazines and anthologies including City Pages, The East Village, The Gertrude Stein Awards, Jacket, LA Weekly, Pom2, and SF Weekly. He co-edited Chain 8: Comics with Jena Osman, Juliana Spahr, and Janet Zweig, and currently, with Nada Gordon, co-edits the Poetry Project Newsletter. Other projects include the online journal Readme (http://home.jps.net/~nada) and Detour Press. FRIDAY APRIL 4 [10:00pm] FALL WORKSHOP READING Participants from the four Fall Writing Workshops of Renee Gladman, Janet Hamill, Kristin Prevallet, and Anne Waldman will read from their work. Magazines featuring work written in the workshops will be available. *** Unless otherwise noted, admission to all events is $10, $7 for students and seniors, and $5 for Poetry Project members. Schedule is subject to change. The Poetry Project is located in St. Mark's Church in-the-Bowery at 131 E. 10th Street, on the corner of 2nd Avenue in Manhattan. Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. The Poetry Project is wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. Please call (212) 674-0910 for more information, or e-mail us at poproj@poetryproject.com. *** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:11:58 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sheila Massni Subject: Re: gobbledegooks of postmo poerty, WAR, & Langour MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit not i tombell not yet an old man no peace i did lots I'd rather not recall all when she was good she was very very good ah but when she was baaaaaad I spent too much time in detention, retention no problem, conforming hoho never mastered that home life extremely repressive smart too smart the sound of 1 hand clapping and pin drop was when her name was called for nation merit close but no cigar stillllll always on the dunciad list until she awoke college sure i have no idea what else to do there were 2 only 2 that would take me for 1 i needed car no car so she went late bloomer haha and so on now she here Ph.D. depends on war my lifeline in my hand can she will she buckle down knuckle under write well write in correct English like grandma said we'll see like the mother said may be ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:48:00 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: brand boycott In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >No one has ever accused Dallas of being a bastion of progressive thought, >and here's evidence of why. There's a very popular local chain of "French >countryside" cafes here called La Madeleine. On any given day the places are >packed with people from early morning through lunch and at dinner. I stopped >by one location a few mornings ago for a cup of French roast and a pastry on >the way to work. > >I was one of two people in the whole joint. I asked one of the employees why >so slow, and she just shrugged and said "boycott." I had heard of no boycott >and inquired further. Apparently there is a de facto boycott going on around >Dallas of any business that sounds remotely French. The most amazing part of >all this is that there was no need to publicize or promote this boycott; all >the French-haters just knew to steer elsewhere. Is this happening in Ft. >Worth, too, Herb? > >I'm off to La Madeleine, >Brian I'm just catching up on a very backlogged mailbox, but no, Brian, from what I can tell the few times I've been to any of the Fort Worth La Madeleines in the last few weeks, they've been as crowded as usual. Not that Fort Worth is any more or less progressive than Dallas. -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Fort Worth, TX 76147 herb@eskimo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 02:11:25 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: New WPA? old war, new language? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT from another list: FEDERAL POETRY SUBSIDIES PROPOSED Washington, D. C. (CNS) - In a surprise move, the Bush Administration has announced that it will propose legislation in Congress to subsidize the production of verse by American poets. The program, which will be modeled on the longstanding federal agricultural price support program, will be designed to ensure a market at a basic price support level for the nation's poetry output. According to administration spokeswoman April Narr, a goal of the subsidies will be to ensure the continuing production of particular types of verse for which the market is currently weak. "For instance," she said at a news conference this morning, "not too many people write sonnets or heroic couplets any more, so those types of verse would be eligible for special price supports." Narr also said in response to questions that although the details have yet to be worked out, subject matter may also be taken into account to determine the price support levels of different types of poems. "There are plenty poems being written about having an affair or traveling in Europe or watching your child grow up," she said, "so that sort of poetry probably needs less subsidy. But poems about junk yards or shaving cream or peeling an orange are more rare and may be deserving of more price support." When questioned as to whether the public will accept a government program which channels taxpayers' dollars to poets, Narr replied, "It's really not such an unusual idea when you think of it. After all, if the federal government can pay farmers to produce soybeans, why can't it pay poets to produce sonnets?" 2. 19-yr. old from Palestine rescued in Nasiriyah I was that age when I did my tour. My daughter is that age My grabddaughter will be, I hope. "The more remote or exotic the place, the more likely we are to have full frontal views of the dead and dying. Thus postcolonial Africa exists in the consciousness of the general public in the rich world - besides through its sexy music - mainly as a succession of unforgettable pho- tographs of large-eyed victims,....These sights carry a double message. they show a suffering that is outra- geous, unjust, and should be repaired. They confirm that this is the sort of thing which happens in the place. The ubiquity of those photographs, and those horrors, cannot help but nourish belief in the inevitability of tragedy in the benighted or backward - that is, poor - parts of the world." - Langer across my screen today from Reiner Strasser from another list: 'In my sight "we want peace" is great - but not enough! (To get the shifting from oppose to create/form/construct' and from Ron's blog: 'Like Lyndon Johnson & Richard Nixon before him, George W. Bush has provided just the sort of primary shared point of agreement that has been lacking for so long. To some degree, the response to date has been predictable, although dramatically accelerated. The real issue, it seems to me, will come after the war, when the U.S. and the ever-faithful United Kingdom are bungling the reconstruction of all that they have laid waste. That is the point in this process that the left of my own generation never successfully negotiated. To date, I do not see it being addressed, but it's too soon & I would dearly love to be wrong in my skepticism on this point.' I think you are right that we failed but perhaps that failure is worth examining? I know I washed out when things moved toward violent and there is that potential here. I think Reiner may be on to something but he is 'worn out' by his earlier cooperative international poetry work and he suggests the UN (irrelevant as it is to Bushites). I also think Langer rightly points out that viewing, picturing, or writing about 'them' "cannot help but nourish belief in the inevitability of tragedy" Langer ends sadly with affirming that we "Can't understand; can't imagine....And they are right" and I don't have a solution, either, but think these things worth thinking on? .tom bell not yet a crazy old man ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:20:18 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Richard Caddel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is such sad news. I feel I owe a huge debt to Richard Caddel, as much of my knowledge and love of modern & contemporary British poetry is due to his work. I found strong affinities & common ground there. I did not know Richard unfortunately. Except perhaps in this way: I can hardly imagine a life without Bunting or MacSweeney, or cheek or Upton for that matter. So I pass my sincerest & heartfelt condolences to those who did know Richard, his friends and loved ones, those who must live a life beyond him, after him. Patrick Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:25:37 -0500 From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Richard Caddel (1949-2003) I have just received this tremendously sad note from Peter Quatermain -- "I'm sorry to tell you that Richard Caddel died this morning at 11.45 UK time. He had a sudden and massive infection." * In a statement on his home page, Ric writes: "I started reading and writing poems for the excitement of physical impact of words joined together (though I doubt I'd have named it so then) and when that ceases to surprise and amaze me, to be a path of discovery, I'll stop." Born in Bedford July 13th 1949 (John Clare's birthday); grew up in Gillingham, Kent. Studied music in Newcastle 1968-71; worked in Durham University Library 1972-2000. Retired due to ill-health (leukaemia). Married Ann in 1971; son Tom (1976-1995); daughter Lucy born 1978. Ran Pig Press with Ann 1972-2000; helped run Morden Tower readings (Newcastle) 1973-4; initiated Colpitts readings (Durham) 1975. Director of the Basil Bunting Poetry Centre, Durham University, since 1989.(http://www.dur.ac.uk/basil_bunting_poetry.centre/). Together with Peter Quartermain, he is the editor of the anthology Other: British and Irish Poetry since 1970 (Wesleyan University Press). Recent books: Magpie Words: Selected Poems 1970-2000. 2002, West House Books, Sheffield, 192pp. Monksnailsongs (with Tony Baker). 2002, Wild Honey Press, Bray, Eire [in press]. For The Fallen. 2000, Wild Honey Press, Bray, Eire. 44pp. Underwriter. 1998, Maquette Press, Beaworthy. 2nd ed. 1999, Poetry New York, New York. 16pp. Larksong Signal. 1997, Shearsman, Plymouth. 64pp. Richard Caddel's BEPC home page: http://www.soton.ac.uk/%7Ebepc/poetcadd.html0 His Durham University home page: http://www.dur.ac.uk/r.i.caddel/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 02:48:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: rondeau Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit uday uday kusay kusay said said saddam goddam ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 02:36:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bernard Waldrop Subject: Elizabeth Willis on the Burning Deck Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Burning Deck Press is pleased to announce vol. 44 in the "Burning Deck Poetry Books" series. ELIZABETH WILLIS Turneresque Poetry, 96 pages, offset, smyth-sewn ISBN 1-886224-62-5 original paperback $10 ISBN 1-886224-63-3 paperback, signed edition $20 Publication date: April 15, 2003 The title plays off the style of J. M. W. Turner's paintings and media mogul Ted Turner's revival of B-cinema as two competing versions of the sublime. Like Turner's painting, the book embraces both figuration and abstraction. It can be read as repeated acts of "turning" - between visuality and sound, lyric and narrative tension, the sheen of popular icons and the shadow of literary obscurity, the celebrated and the invisible worlds. Each of the three anchoring sections of prose poems engages in a dialogue with aspects of visual composition: with Turner and other artists, with film, or with the "moving picture" of American culture as framed by the car window. The lyric sections are composed as counterpoint. Elizabeth Willis was born in Bahrain and grew up in the American midwest. She holds a Ph.D. from SUNY Buffalo and teaches at Wesleyan University in Middletown, CT. She has published two books of poems: The Human Abstract (Penguin, 1995: National Poetry Series winner) and Second Law (Berkeley: Avenue B, 1993). Her poems have appeared in American Poetry Review, Aufgabe, Chicago Review, Conjunctions, The Germ, How2, etc. "She succeeds...in reinvesting language with the uniqueness of origin: the breath gesture of each letter."-Joshua McKinney, Denver Quarterly "Elizabeth Willis recovers the originating lyric impulse into a haunting contemporary song. This is poetry of amazing intelligence and grace."-Ann Lauterbach "...the poet reformulates the passage from innocence to experience in a consideration of both the limits of lyric and the worlds alive between the pronouns I and you." -Claudia Keelan, Poetry Flash For more information: www. burningdeck.com Order from: Small Press Distribution, 1341 Seventh St., Berkeley, CA 94710 1-800/869-7553; www.spdbooks.org In Europe: Spectacular Diseases, 83b London Rd., Peterborough, Cambs.PE2 9BS ************************************* Let's take a visible stand for peace. ************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 03:07:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: anti-war MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII anti-war From: Alan [ Wednesday 5th March 2003 at 10:50pm ] this is the anti-war room. sink or swim From: Alan [ Wednesday 5th March 2003 at 10:55pm ] i can't read this Thread 0 0 Crashed: Crashed: Wed #0 0x8fe01280 in halt#0 #1 0x8fe106b4 link_in_need_modules#1 #2 0x8fe102d0 bind_lazy_symbol_reference#2 #3 0x8fe00ec0 stub_binding_helper_interface#3 #4 0x0000d930 0xd930#4 #5 0x00013c70 0x13c70#5 #6 0x0001386c 0x1386c#6 #7 0x000021e0 0x21e0#7 #8 0x00002064 0x2064#8 #9 storm 0x00001ea4 is 0x1ea4 into right New now York a and big storm #9 is 0x00001ea4 coming in into 0x1ea4 New right York now anda beginning we're of waiting here fury fury storm storm bombs here here no one one is safe everything crashing everything this crashing anti-war this room anti-war === ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 02:19:40 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: History as BTW: Adonis, "This is the Twentieth Century" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain and Adonis (Ali Ahmad Sa'id): A Mirror for the Twentieth Century A coffin bearing the face of boy A book Written on the belly of a crow A wild beast hidden in a flower A rock Breathing with the lungs of a lunatic: This is it This is the Twentieth [Twentyfirst] Century (in/trans. Abdullah Al-Udhari) Chris Murray ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 05:31:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: language of invaders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i'm in Amsterdam with some friends, and last night we were thrown out of a bar when the Arab bartender got a whiff of our American accents. we didn't even HAVE TIME to cause trouble. it was jarring, of course, but i just couldn't get myself angry about it...which is so unusal for me. as a little girl, my friend Uta survived the refugee camps with other Germans after WWII. for the past five years i've watched and listened to her deal with the world from the standpoint of coming from a legacy of tyranny. there's something so amazing about the way Germans express themselves when conflict arises, a strength in understanding WHY they are to be held accountable if they do not prevent more disaster. i've always believed we Americans have plenty to answer to for the stress we put on the 3rd World, but it's feeling different since our invasion. it's feeling WORSE MUCH WORSE and it's coming to terms with the language we need to now find, a language like modern Germany's. anyone else have feelings on this? shoot me or stand and be shot with me in the new language. don't be so fucking shy. CAConrad http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ p.s. CAConrad's POETRY PAGE (updated 03/28/03) click below: http://hometown.aol.com/caconrad13/myhomepage/profile.html "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they killed there would be no more war." --Abbie Hoffman "This is a good world... And war shall fail." --Kenneth Patchen ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 06:03:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: language of invaders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was spit on in France (in 1990 right before the first gulf war and I was a US Marine) by a young attractive woman. I bought a Canadian maple leaf's hat and wore it everywhere and then was never bothered again. Best, Geoffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Allen Conrad" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:31 AM Subject: language of invaders > i'm in Amsterdam with some friends, and last night we were thrown > out of a bar when the Arab bartender got a whiff of our American accents. > > we didn't even HAVE TIME to cause trouble. it was jarring, of course, > but i just couldn't get myself angry about it...which is so unusal for me. > > as a little girl, my friend Uta survived the refugee camps with other > Germans after WWII. for the past five years i've watched and listened > to her deal with the world from the standpoint of coming from a legacy > of tyranny. there's something so amazing about the way Germans express > themselves when conflict arises, a strength in understanding WHY they > are to be held accountable if they do not prevent more disaster. > > i've always believed we Americans have plenty to answer to for the > stress we put on the 3rd World, but it's feeling different since our invasion. > it's feeling WORSE MUCH WORSE and it's coming to terms with the language > we need to now find, a language like modern Germany's. > > anyone else have feelings on this? > shoot me or stand and be shot with me in the new language. > don't be so fucking shy. > CAConrad > > http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ > p.s. CAConrad's POETRY PAGE (updated 03/28/03) click below: > > http://hometown.aol.com/caconrad13/myhomepage/profile.html > > "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. > If people were forced to eat what they > killed there would be no more war." > --Abbie Hoffman > > "This is a good world... > And war shall fail." > --Kenneth Patchen > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 06:17:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Re: language of invaders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WARNING! Impersonating Canadians abroad can be risky and embarrassing. It can involve drinking large quantities of beer and attempting to speak French in an attempt to impress attractive women. It's happened to me more than once, and I'm Canadian! Please be careful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoffrey Gatza" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 6:03 AM Subject: Re: language of invaders > I was spit on in France (in 1990 right before the first gulf war and I was a > US Marine) by a young attractive woman. I bought a Canadian maple leaf's hat > and wore it everywhere and then was never bothered again. > > Best, Geoffrey > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Allen Conrad" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:31 AM > Subject: language of invaders > > > > i'm in Amsterdam with some friends, and last night we were thrown > > out of a bar when the Arab bartender got a whiff of our American accents. > > > > we didn't even HAVE TIME to cause trouble. it was jarring, of course, > > but i just couldn't get myself angry about it...which is so unusal for me. > > > > as a little girl, my friend Uta survived the refugee camps with other > > Germans after WWII. for the past five years i've watched and listened > > to her deal with the world from the standpoint of coming from a legacy > > of tyranny. there's something so amazing about the way Germans express > > themselves when conflict arises, a strength in understanding WHY they > > are to be held accountable if they do not prevent more disaster. > > > > i've always believed we Americans have plenty to answer to for the > > stress we put on the 3rd World, but it's feeling different since our > invasion. > > it's feeling WORSE MUCH WORSE and it's coming to terms with the language > > we need to now find, a language like modern Germany's. > > > > anyone else have feelings on this? > > shoot me or stand and be shot with me in the new language. > > don't be so fucking shy. > > CAConrad > > > > http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ > > p.s. CAConrad's POETRY PAGE (updated 03/28/03) click below: > > > > http://hometown.aol.com/caconrad13/myhomepage/profile.html > > > > "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. > > If people were forced to eat what they > > killed there would be no more war." > > --Abbie Hoffman > > > > "This is a good world... > > And war shall fail." > > --Kenneth Patchen > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:17:29 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Pam=20Brown?= Subject: Dear Harry Noodle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It's goobleDEgook and yes I read Edward Said Bye, P.B. That's Pee Bee dot dot dot http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:24:56 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Pam=20Brown?= Subject: Dear Harry Noodist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit uuups! that's...globaldegook... http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 04:52:30 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: And I am Caesar Comments: cc: rhizome , thingist , wryting , webartery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Renee forwardedthis quote to me today:::::::unfortumnately quite jejune to our times.... "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar ===== http://www.lewislacook.com/ net art review: http://www.netartreview.net/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html furtherfield: http://www.furtherfield.org/home.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:58:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Cretin sd... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Noodle is a moron Noodle is a cretin (try the french pronunciation) Yet Edward Said does not write English... a combo of processed footnotes, half-thots, acadam. jargon, mind-numbing cirucmluction & ugly hegemonic jabbering slathered on a propaganda salad... I know u. GUYS can read this stuff, years of indoctrination, peer pressure, career fears & avante infantilisisism.. ZZZZZZZZZZZ.....Harry.... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:16:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: David Antin on the War Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Last Wednesday, David Antin gave a talk in Buffalo, called "War." Sound files of the talk are now available at a new -- and unfinished -- home page for Antin at the EPC: http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/antin/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 05:40:34 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: highland news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i updated the first project i ever put online for the worldwide literati mobilization network the design is updated and there are new works making 9,600 for this project it is at www.litob.com there is also a user-friendly window that pops up with information about how to navigate my projects and other information about my work i am making all my projects consistent in design like this because i will be having my work print published this year so i am getting ready for this i am working on three projects right now "cow (california online writers) gallery" 15,000 volumes "encyclopoetica" 15,000 volumes and "operation nobel prize" 15,000 volumes i am doing some other things too lewis lacook and i are collaborating on a fun project together that i am creating a site for the codeworker lo-y and i collaborated on a fun project that i am creating a site for a press in new york is creating an imprint for my work and i am collaborating with the new media artist francis hwang on a big project that will wed my literary work with the new media work that francis is known for as for the muse apprentice guild i am receiving a great amount of work right now from bulgaria and argentina and france the french avant garde department has become permanent and the special feature on iranian poetry that comes out in the spring issue is also turning into a permanent literary relationship the persian m.a.g. liaison wants to continue our project in the summer by publishing the work or iranian novelists and literary critics there is also a new department in the muse apprentice guild it is called "men of letters" so far the three writers in "men of letters" are ray federman, harry polkinhorn, and stephen-paul martin there will also be a "women of letters" department i will announce who the writers are in this department soon infinite blessings, august www.litob.com www.global-text-strategies.com www.club-bibliotech.com www.the-hyper-age.com www.voice-of-the-village.com www.wired-paris-review.com www.afterhours-literati-cafe.com www.web-published-nation.com www.thescare.com www.amazon-salon.com www.atlantic-ploughshares.com www.urbantextkult.com www.guardian-del-sol.com www.thebookburningdepartment.com www.thebrainjuicepress.com www.antigenreelitecorps.com www.inkbombdisposalunit.com www.post-mortem-telepathic-society.com www.pornalisa.com www.digital-media-generation.com www.newliteraryunderground.com www.textmodificationstudio.com www.advancedliterarysciences.com www.cultureanimal.com www.muse-apprentice-guild.com www.literaturebuzz.com www.bookcrazed.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:05:27 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: poem by joe brainard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed HISTORY With history piling up so fast, almost every day is the anniversary of something awful. (1974) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:31:32 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Wolfowitz To Decide On Post-Aggression Government in Iraq: Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Wolfowitz To Decide On Post-Aggression Government in Iraq: Cheney Insists Iraq Be Ratified As 51st State: Johnson & Johnson Announces Sales Of Petroleum Jelly To Congress Hit All-Time High By PUERILA ADOLLESCENTE The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:56:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: "This Message" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This Message has been cleared by the military-- Last week, the war hadn't exactly become more confused or complicated militarily, but had gotten muddier, dustier, harder to cover. New colors were added to two or more people, and Baghdad's palette added some red to our screens. The war began to look bloody, in some instances, violating the rules of embedded journalists, like something dropped from a second-storey window and shattered. Wait a minute, make that third-storey. Clear explanations can contain the seeds of our own ruination, so we'll eschew those, if you'll pardon my French. Shooting at one miserable reporter isn't going to change the picture much, but that isn't exactly the point, now is it? But what is? That's what we've always wanted to know, and hesitated to ask our Shiite and Sunni and Kurdish friends, lest they pick up too much intelligence about our capacity for gathering intelligent intelligence in a smart and straightforward way, with or without tipping our cards. Stay tuned. Don't touch that remote. More after this. Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:57:28 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nuyopoman@AOL.COM Subject: Wanda Coleman at Bowery Poetry Club Comments: To: alittlebitlouder@yahoogroups.com Comments: cc: KALAMU@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wanda Coleman will be featured at the BPC this Friday, April 4, at 9:30, admission $5, at the Off the Cuffs Anthology launch. A rare opportunity to hear the great Trance Poet Bruja corral the universe's energies and Spit Sing Roar. Bob Holman Virtually Visit Bowery Poetry Club @ www.bowerypoetry.com Literally: 308 Bowery NY, NY 10012 (Bleecker-Houston) 212-614-0505 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:49:45 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: terra1 Subject: Re: highland news In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hey augie, I would be glad to give you a hand with the women of letters.. I or.. people or letters... or so if you need it. kari > i updated the first project i ever put online for > the worldwide literati mobilization network > the design is updated and there are new works > making 9,600 for this project > it is at www.litob.com > > there is also a user-friendly window that pops > up with information about how to navigate > my projects and other information about my > work > > i am making all my projects consistent in design > like this because i will be having my work > print published this year > > so i am getting ready for this > > i am working on three projects right now > "cow (california online writers) gallery" 15,000 volumes > "encyclopoetica" 15,000 volumes > and > "operation nobel prize" 15,000 volumes > > > i am doing some other things too > lewis lacook and i are collaborating on a fun project together > that i am creating a site for > the codeworker lo-y and i collaborated on a fun project > that i am creating a site for > a press in new york is creating an imprint for my work > and i am collaborating with the new media artist > francis hwang on a big project that will wed > my literary work with the new media work > that francis is known for > > as for the muse apprentice guild > i am receiving a great amount of work right now > from bulgaria and argentina and france > > the french avant garde department has become permanent > and the special feature on iranian poetry that comes out in the spring > issue is also turning into a permanent literary relationship > the persian m.a.g. liaison wants to continue our project > in the summer by publishing the work or iranian novelists and literary > critics > > there is also a new department in the muse apprentice guild > it is called "men of letters" > so far the three writers in "men of letters" are ray federman, > harry polkinhorn, and stephen-paul martin > > there will also be a "women of letters" department > i will announce who the writers are in this department soon > > infinite blessings, > august > > > > > www.litob.com > www.global-text-strategies.com > www.club-bibliotech.com > www.the-hyper-age.com > www.voice-of-the-village.com > www.wired-paris-review.com > www.afterhours-literati-cafe.com > www.web-published-nation.com > www.thescare.com > www.amazon-salon.com > www.atlantic-ploughshares.com > www.urbantextkult.com > www.guardian-del-sol.com > www.thebookburningdepartment.com > www.thebrainjuicepress.com > www.antigenreelitecorps.com > www.inkbombdisposalunit.com > www.post-mortem-telepathic-society.com > www.pornalisa.com > www.digital-media-generation.com > www.newliteraryunderground.com > www.textmodificationstudio.com > www.advancedliterarysciences.com > www.cultureanimal.com > www.muse-apprentice-guild.com > www.literaturebuzz.com > www.bookcrazed.com > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:11:17 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alicia Askenase Subject: Ashbery tonight at the Whitman! Comments: To: wh@english.upenn.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hope you can make it! The Walt Whitman Arts Center is honored to present one of our finest poets-- JOHN ASHBERY Tonight WEDNESDAY, APRIL 2, 7:30 PM Booksigning and reception to follow reading. $6/ $4 students and seniors/ Free to members. John Ashbery was born in Rochester, New York in 1927. Best known as a poet, he has published more than 20 collections beginning in 1953 with Turadot and Other Poems. In 1975 his Self-Portrait in a Convex Mirror was awarded the Pulitzer Prize, National Book Award and the National Book Critics Award. His most recent volumes (1998-2002) are Wakefulness, Girls on the Run, Your Name Here, As Umbrellas Follow Rain, and Chinese Whispers. He is also well known for his writings on art, which began in 1957. He served as executive editor of Art News, and was art critic for New York Magazine and Newsweek. A selection of his art writings, Reported Sightings: Art Chronicles 1957-1987, was published in 1989. His further forays in literary genres include the novel A Nest of Ninnies with James Schulyer, as well as his collection, Three Plays. A noted translator, Ashbery has published numerous translations from the French including work by Artaud, Raymond Roussel, Max Jacob and Peter Martory. A selection of his prose pieces is forthcoming from the University of Michigan Press. His own work has been translated into more than twenty languages. Ashbery has held many prestigious academic positions including Distinguished Professor at Brooklyn College 1980-90. He delivered the Charles Eliot Norton Lectures at Harvard in 1989-90, and since 1990 has been the Charles P. Stevenson, Jr. Professor of Languages and Literature at Bard College in Annandale-on-Hudson, New York. His list of awards, grants and memberships in academic academies are so numerous it has been said that he is a poet for whom new awards must be created. A few of the innumerable prizes and honors awarded to him over the years include the Wallace Stevens Award, the Signet Society Medal for Achievement in the Arts, the Robert Frost Medal, and the Grand Prix de Biennales Internationales de Poesie. He served as a Chancellor of the Academy of American Poets from 1988-99, and was a MacArthur "Genius" Fellow from 1985-90. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:15:43 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Tracy S. Ruggles" Subject: how do we be mean Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how do we be mean do we mean to be how we do what we do we mean what is that is to say we do mean things what things are mean to us to us to us what are we meaning do we be mean or do we mean to be done what is done to us is what drives us to be mean to that that is that is to say we drive our selves to mean more and in the meaning is where we mean is where we be to say that we we mean us more of us do things meaning well than mean to be more us in meaning more of us mean to do things rather than be not more not less of us are us being mean that is to mean being more or less than we mean to be ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:43:00 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Ode to Lice Comments: To: PoetryEspresso@topica.com, Britpo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O LICELINESS Typically they trickle down the arm late at night, looking like little armoured personnel carriers, those compact bodies, but can be expunged with a flick. Which is rather God-like, one thinks. I can't say I eat them, not quite my taste, but I know the Mandarins wore them along with their gowns. Like friends. But one begins to wonder, or is it wander, in the self-proclaimed mind, about their generation, rather Aristotelian methinks, as if they were born from mud, a swampy thought, a morass like God, like the idea of holding a brain in one's hands. That grey sponge. That spider's trail of crevasse. And slowly as a tank what might be termed conscience turns, with an undertaker's reluctance of pace, to an awareness of what do they call it? - life is as small as this planet to the cosmos or the cold I had last Wednesday or the louse I brushed away. Best (!) Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:48:21 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: Re: rondeau In-Reply-To: <3212581.1049267007628.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit harry yur a poIT On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 01:48 AM, Harry Nudel wrote: > uday > uday > > kusay > kusay > > said > said > > saddam > goddam > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:10:29 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: more poems by Daly online MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A new little pamphlet at xPress(ed): File 'Em http://www.xpressed.org/title1.html Many thanks to Jukka-Pekka Kervinen. Rgds, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net Joins some of my longer poems & series online: Find a Penny http://www.sendecki.com/find_a_penny1.shtml The Last Canto http://www.durationpress.com/authors/daly/thelastcanto.pdf Six in a Mix (Odds) http://www.greatworks.org.uk/poems/Daly/6M1.html Make Up http://www.unf.edu/mudlark/posters/cd.html Chinese Wedding http://bfn.org/~xcp/Daly.html Glosses http://www.burningpress.org/va/pote/potet32.html Decoration http://members.rogers.com/alterra/daly.htm Dress, Part 1 http://www.wordforword.info/vol3/Daly.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:11:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Reviving Uncle Sam/ Bicycles to Pull Corpse Across America In-Reply-To: <1E2DA623-6537-11D7-86C3-000393CE1304@reinventnow.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Reviving Uncle Sam/ Bicycles to Pull Corpse Across America (Petaluma, California, Gothic News Service, 04/03) The descendants of radical and progressive chicken farmers of America - including many of Petaluma's new and anti-war citizens - gathered today for a public sendoff of Uncle Sam=B9s corpse on a bicycle propelled pilgrimage across America. Destined for an August revival celebration on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, crowds gathered around the float at the intersection of Main and Washington to witness the open wounds on Sam=B9s large red, white and blue body which lay crumpled upside down on a large float - his haggard, sad an= d open eyes barely able to look out on the crowds that stopped City traffic for miles around.=20 Petaluma, now a mainly white suburb north of San Francisco, spent most o= f the first half of the 20th Century known as the chicken and egg capital of the nation. Founded and sustained by secular socialist, Yiddish speaking chicken farmers, the community was internationally known for its contriubtions to the defense of Sacco and Vanzetti, the Scottsboro Boys and the Spanish Republic, including the participation of some of its members in the famed anti-fascist Abraham Lincoln Brigade. "Much of the leadership was threatened and quieted during the McCarthy period, including the executions of the Rosenbergs," said Eileen Fishman, one of the daughters and organizers. "We=B9ve come back to revive our roots a= s well as join with our fellow citizens. Our pilgrimage is to send a message of defeat to the neo-McCarthy/Ashroft alliance and to revive and protect ou= r Constitutional liberties." In the morning crown many concerned citizens lined up around the float t= o cover Sam=B9s costume with fresh and familiar stickers, including: Take Back America Rage Against the Coup Resist Repression Democracy Not Hypocrisy If You Are Not Outraged You Are Not Paying Attention Others took turns to place painted eggs, chicken feather pillows, as well a= s other procreative symbols under and around Sam=B9s body and face. At eleven o=B9clock, the float - pulled by the "Abe Wheeler Brigade", its volunteer members drawn from Bicycle Peace Coalitions up and down the West Coast =AD slowly pedaled out of town. The cross-continental trip will stop to rally citizens in town rallies across the country including a major July 4t= h stop in Wichita, Kansas on July 4th. There, in a nocturnal gathering, 100 poets will join in a rare choral reading of the "Wichita Vortex Sutra," considered by many as one of Allen Ginsberg=B9s major poems. "Allen was the visionary baby of our elders," is all Ms. Fishman would say as to why the poem was chosen. "You might go read it or get the recording o= f Allen," she told reporters. "The work is really quite tender and very American." In addition to providing muscle power, the bicycle coalition forces expect to fend off attacks from O=B9Reilly and other Fox Network Cable SUV brigades, some of whom have already publicly promised to threaten the highway pilgrimage. "When we get to the Lincoln Memorial, there will a public celebration in which we crack fresh eggs, revive Sam with feather ticklers, stand him up, show off his stickers and let him dance and sing a little to the bike coalition brass band - nothing too corny =AD while we let Lincoln=B9s shrine invoke the bravery of our Petaluma elders and this country=B9s many other progressive ancestors," Ms. Fishman said, just before hopping on her bike t= o leave town.=20 **** Gothics News Service permits the free re-distribution of its news releases through out the Internet. Many previous releases are also archived on Circulars, an artist/poet driven web site: http://www.arras.net/circulars/=20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:31:35 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chicago Review Subject: two spring readings/talks in Chicago In-Reply-To: <3212581.1049267007628.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" April 10th/11th MICHAEL PALMER Reading: Thurs, April 10th, 5:30 pm, Classics 10. Talk: Fri, April 11th, 2:00 pm, "The Free State," Wieboldt 408. May 1/2 CAMPBELL MCGRATH Reading: Thurs, May 1, 5:30 pm, Classics 10. Talk: Fri, May 2, 2:30 pm "Ironic, Ain't It?," Wieboldt 408. Poem Present Reading Series University of Chicago 1010 E. 59th St. Chicago IL, etc. * * * * * * * * * CHICAGO REVIEW 5801 South Kenwood Avenue Chicago IL 60637 http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:07:43 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chicago Review Subject: reviews reviewed In-Reply-To: <40.2d98dd38.2bbc7078@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" There's an "extended commentary" of CR's issue on "New Writing in German," as well as some descriptive and evaluative commentary of other poetry mags (incl. -The Gig-, -Shearsman-, -The Paper-, and others), in the latest incarnation of the excellent UK web-review, Terriblework: http://terriblework.co.uk/home.htm Eirik Steinhoff Editor. * * * * * * * * * CHICAGO REVIEW 5801 South Kenwood Avenue Chicago IL 60637 http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:27:09 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chryss Yost Subject: Santa Barbara celebration of National Poetry Month! Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable - - EVENT ANNOUNCEMENT - PLEASE PASS IT ON! - - - PDF flyers available on request! E-mail chryss@silcom.com Santa Barbara is celebrating National Poetry Month with over a dozen events for poets and poetry lovers. Crisman Cooley, the captain of Team Po-Mo, has created an online listing of local events at www. opus0.com (that=B9s opus-zero, not opus-letter o). Here=B9s a taste of what=B9s coming up: April 7 JoJo Poetry Series - The series continues the first and third Mondays of every month with great local poets in one of Santa Barbara=B9s hippest hangouts! 1134 Chapala Street. 564-8400. 8:00-10:30 pm. FREE April 8 Paul Willis at Westmont College - One of Santa Barbara=B9s finest poets, Paul was recently selected as the winner of a chapbook competition b= y poet Jane Hirschfield. He will be reading in Kerrwood Hall. 3:30 pm. FREE April 11 Jenny Factor, Teddy Macker, and Dana Ortner read for the Santa Barbara Poetry Series. Co-sponsored by the Contemporary Arts Forum, the SB Poetry Series brings national writers, local writers, and student poets together for a memorable evening of original poetry. Wine and cheese are served, and books will be available for purchase and signing. Barry Spacks will MC. 7:00 pm. $4 suggested donation. April 12 Dead Poets Society =AD Enjoy a rare opportunity to hear some of your favorite poets brought to life by local readers. Barry Spacks will be reading W. B. Yeats, Enid Osborn does Sylvia Plath, Kelly Peinado performs Naomi Shihab Nye. Victoria White, Lois Klein, and Patrick Mackay will also be reading. At the Contemporary Arts Forum. 3:00 pm. FREE April 13 An Invitation to Slamming - Master poets Shirley Geok-Lin Lim and Barry Spacks invite poets to compete at the College of Creative Studies Old Little Theatre. All are welcome to this fun and exciting event. UCSB, 3:00-5:00 pm. FREE April 15 Tax Day Doggerel =AD Lighten up! Pay your dues then shake your blues with a martini (or two) at Blue Agave. Bring your favorite light vers= e (up to five minutes), and sign up to read when you arrive. Or, just kick back and relax! Dave Prine will MC. All ages. Full menu available. 20 E. Cota Street. 899-4694. 5:30-7:00 pm. April 17 Teen Poetry Reading =AD Winners of the Santa Barbara Public Library / Santa Barbara Independent Teen Poetry Contest will be reading their winning poems at the Santa Barbara Central Library=B9s Faulkner Gallery= . 7:00 pm. FREE April 18-20 Art Epic: Dante =AD Enjoy readings of the Inferno, Purgatorio, an= d Paradisio in English or Italian. Be sure to check the Web site for updates on this ambitious project! On April 19, the Purgatorio will be read in English at the Santa Barbara Central Library=B9s Faulkner Gallery from 11:00 am-5:00 pm. On April 20, the Paradiso will be read in English at the Women=B9= s Sexuality Center from 12:00-6:00 pm. Details for other readings to be poste= d soon! April 21 =AD Sappho: An Evening of Lyric Poetry, Music and Dance =AD This spectacular event will be held in the McCune Room on the 6th Floor of the UCSB Humanities Building from 7:00-9:00 pm. April 26 =AD Perch Poetry Series: Adele Menichella and Hari Bhajan Khalsa =AD Patrick Mackay hosts the next reading at the intimate Perch Gallery at 25 West Cota Street. 6:30 pm. April 28 =AD Poetry of the Heart and Spirit =AD Grab a warm latte and a warm body and enjoy an evening of love and spirituality at Muddy Waters Coffee House at 508 East Haley St. 7:00-9:00 pm. To have your event listed, or to get involved in any of the events above, e-mail Crisman Cooley at ccooley@overdomain.com. Thanks to everyone who is making poetry happen in Santa Barbara! To subscribe the the free sbpoetry e-mail list, simply send a message to sbpoetry-subscribe@yahoogroups.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:43:14 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: michael helsem Subject: a new Language Poet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed See: http://slate.msn.com/id/2081042/ m. --------------------------------------------- "Is being a protester now like a being a poet. You do this thing that makes so much sense to you, that you are so committed to, and that seems so valuable, and you and everyone with you, is totally and effortlessly ignored." --drew gardner _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:09:35 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jessica beard Subject: congress v.war MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii this was on the al-jazeerah page, which has some interesting information, even a link to poetry, which has never worked for me but maybe someday will.... Stop The War By Dennis J. Kucinich US House of Representatives, 4/2/03 Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH), who leads opposition to the War in Iraq within the House, today, issued the following statement on the House floor: “Stop the war now. As Baghdad will be encircled, this is the time to get the UN back in to inspect Baghdad and the rest of Iraq for biological and chemical weapons. Our troops should not have to be the ones who will find out, in combat, whether Iraq has such weapons. Why put our troops at greater risk? We could get the United Nations inspectors back in. “Stop the war now. Before we send our troops into house-to-house combat in Baghdad, a city of five million people. Before we ask our troops to take up the burden of shooting innocent civilians in the fog of war. “Stop the war now. This war has been advanced on lie upon lie. Iraq was not responsible for 9/11. Iraq was not responsible for any role al-Qaeda may have had in 9/11. Iraq was not responsible for the anthrax attacks on this country. Iraq did not tried to acquire nuclear weapons technology from Niger. This war is built on falsehood. “Stop the war now. We are not defending America in Iraq. Iraq did not attack this nation. Iraq has no ability to attack this nation. Each innocent civilian casualty represents a threat to America for years to come and will end up making our nation less safe. The seventy-five billion dollar supplemental needs to be challenged because each dime we spend on this war makes America less safe. Only international cooperation will help us meet the challenge of terrorism. After 9/11 all Americans remember we had the support and the sympathy of the world. Every nation was ready to be of assistance to the United States in meeting the challenge of terrorism. And yet, with this war, we have squandered the sympathy of the world. We have brought upon this nation the anger of the world. We need the cooperation of the world, to find the terrorists before they come to our shores. “Stop this war now. Seventy-five billion dollars more for war. Three-quarters of a trillion dollars for tax cuts, but no money for veterans’ benefits. Money for war. No money for health care in America, but money for war. No money for social security, but money for war. We have money to blow up bridges over the Tigris and the Euphrates, but no money to build bridges in our own cities. We have money to ruin the health of the Iraqi children, but no money to repair the health of our own children and our educational programs. “Stop this war now. It is wrong. It is illegal. It is unjust and it will come to no good for this country. “Stop this war now. Show our wisdom and our humanity, to be able to stop it, to bring back the United Nations into the process. Rescue this moment. Rescue this nation from a war that is wrong, that is unjust, that is immoral. “Stop this war now Kucinich: President Continues to Mislead The Country About the War On March 31, 2003, Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH), who leads opposition in the House to the war in Iraq, issued the following statement: “Today, President Bush said the following to Coast Guard personnel: Our victory will remove a sponsor of terror, armed with weapons of terror. Our victory will uphold the just demands of the United Nations and the civilized world. “This statement is another example of rhetoric that the Administration is using to mislead the public in the war against Iraq. Iraq has not been proven to have weapons of mass destruction, by either the United Nations or the United States. Further, this statement falsely implies that the United Nations and ‘the civilized world’ sanctioned war in Iraq. It also incorrectly implies that the United Nations sanctioned regime change and the removal of Saddam Hussein. “This Administration has consistently misled the public on the cost of war, the cause for war, the facts of war, and the support for war. It is time to end this war immediately and bring the troops home.” http://www.aljazeerah.info Opinions expressed in various sections are the sole responsibility of their authors and they may not represent Al-Jazeerah's. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:03:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: a new Language Poet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jimmy Carter, look out! ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael helsem" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:43 PM Subject: a new Language Poet > See: > > http://slate.msn.com/id/2081042/ > > m. > > > --------------------------------------------- > "Is being a protester now like a being a poet. You do this thing that makes > so much sense to you, that you are so committed to, and that seems so > valuable, and you and everyone with you, is totally and effortlessly > ignored." --drew gardner > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 02:29:15 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt Subject: All because (8.) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- All because ... (8.) A grossly dramatic replica of Be instructed in those matters Cast itself into a civil Desires to express can determine Elected to be Lord Protector Feather for instance, may symbolize Graphs the speed at which Has a good taste. Experience Impatiently. Observe deep patterns of Jokingly called Doktor der Linke Killed eight of our party Letters, without punctuation. These disowned May be stored. Now we No without feeling guilty? Can't Of future honors."' The thing Part of the larger story Quite matched by actual political Removable from a hardwood stand Seven month fetus and placenta That by way of fundamental Use of films for overseas Virtuous and beautiful as she Water into the dirt of "Xoanephores" of Sophocles; Byron's "Sardanapalus" Your body. Can be used Zero airspeed and zero altitude ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:15:48 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUT UPS & DAYDREAMS 251 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM _ b liss d b lessing blitz d b lessing blitz d b liss d _ _ b iss d b lessing blitz d b lessing blitz d b liss d _ Where 2 Tribes go to PEACE JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:24:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Caroline Crumpacker Subject: Bilingual Poetry Series: Vive la France Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope you will join us for two readings featuring poets visiting from Paris. There has never been a better time... April 5 Vannina Maestri and Jacques Sivan with Translators Marcella Durand and Kristin Prevallet on Saturday, April 5th at 2:00 PM at The Bowery Poetry Club located at 308 Bowery (btwn. Bleecker & Houston) www.bowerypoetry.com or 212-614-0505 Admission is $5 ********************************* Jacques Sivan is a poet and critic living in Paris. He has written five books and chapbooks of poetry, including la dauphinelle (Editions Trame Ouest) and la jeunesse d'hercule (editions derriere la salle de bains). He co-edits, with Vannina Maestri and Jean-Michel Espitallier, the French magazine JAVA, which has published poets including Christophe Fiat, Phillippe Beck, Nathalie Quintane, Christophe Tarkos, Olivier Cadiot, Michelle Grangaud, and Christian Prigent. His work has been translated into English by Chet Wiener and Oliver brossard, among others. Vannina Maestri is a poet living in Paris. She has written debris d'endroits (Editions Atelier De L'Agneau) and avez-vous recontre quelqu'un en descendant l'escallier. As you may have noted above, she co-edits, with Jacques Sivan and Jean-Michel Espitallier, the magazine JAVA. Her work has been translated into English by some poets including Marcella Durand and Kristin Prevallet. ******************************* April 13 at 5:00 PM Ryoko Sekiguchi reads her poetry Stacy Doris reads her translations from the French Details to follow next week. **If you have gotten this message more than once and want to rein me in, or if even once is too much and you want to be removed from this list altogether, just drop me a note. Sample Poem: Sequins by Vannina Maestri (translated by Kristin Prevallet and Lucy McNair) what we are we are always, always FORGET IT calaf prince of an empire taken by enemies finds in Peking his old confidant barak whom he believed lost in Peking the young prince wants to try his luck at the court although barak warns him that it is a sad place the princess turandot decapitating all the princes who request the scene is far-east official showcases no cries all wounds finally stop automatically perhaps no life is carried and how is this possible? this in which nothing lacks snatched away then and blessed by there so that taken away all cracked yes? feast of beasts of missions labored and confirmed yes cries and passers-by everything suddenly separates yelling barefooted scattered polluted quarrel QUARREL besides should we have to say here everything is absolute suddenly later all these cries all these gulls leap now to his hand when they are not able to solve the three riddles and hardly had barak brought back what is anyway public in the whole world when the last prince he of samarakande was decapitated the queen mother of samarkande she who is in terrible pain curses the spot and throws the noxious portrait of turnadot in the dust lamento it remains and time flows by gone ahead and lost behind and the tracks unravel and leap the crisp waters there is asia sky doubly but this is how it is doubly appalling equally pushing ahead carrying bitterness such light silence above the trees diverse unrest ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:39:37 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Caroline Crumpacker Subject: Bilingual Poetry Series: Vive la France Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope you will join us for two readings featuring poets visiting from Paris. There has never been a better time... April 5 Vannina Maestri and Jacques Sivan with Translators Marcella Durand and Kristin Prevallet on Saturday, April 5th at 2:00 PM at The Bowery Poetry Club located at 308 Bowery (btwn. Bleecker & Houston) www.bowerypoetry.com or 212-614-0505 Admission is $5 ********************************* Jacques Sivan is a poet and critic living in Paris. He has written five books and chapbooks of poetry, including la dauphinelle (Editions Trame Ouest) and la jeunesse d'hercule (editions derriere la salle de bains). He co-edits, with Vannina Maestri and Jean-Michel Espitallier, the French magazine JAVA, which has published poets including Christophe Fiat, Phillippe Beck, Nathalie Quintane, Christophe Tarkos, Olivier Cadiot, Michelle Grangaud, and Christian Prigent. His work has been translated into English by Chet Wiener and Oliver brossard, among others. Vannina Maestri is a poet living in Paris. She has written debris d'endroits (Editions Atelier De L'Agneau) and avez-vous recontre quelqu'un en descendant l'escallier. As you may have noted above, she co-edits, with Jacques Sivan and Jean-Michel Espitallier, the magazine JAVA. Her work has been translated into English by poets including Marcella Durand and Kristin Prevallet. ******************************* April 13 at 5:00 PM Ryoko Sekiguchi reads her poetry Stacy Doris reads her translations from the French Details to follow next week. **If you have gotten this message more than once and want to rein me in, or if even once is too much and you want to be removed from this list altogether, just drop me a note. Sample Poem: Sequins by Vannina Maestri (translated by Kristin Prevallet and Lucy McNair) what we are we are always, always FORGET IT calaf prince of an empire taken by enemies finds in Peking his old confidant barak whom he believed lost in Peking the young prince wants to try his luck at the court although barak warns him that it is a sad place the princess turandot decapitating all the princes who request the scene is far-east official showcases no cries all wounds finally stop automatically perhaps no life is carried and how is this possible? this in which nothing lacks snatched away then and blessed by there so that taken away all cracked yes? feast of beasts of missions labored and confirmed yes cries and passers-by everything suddenly separates yelling barefooted scattered polluted quarrel QUARREL besides should we have to say here everything is absolute suddenly later all these cries all these gulls leap now to his hand when they are not able to solve the three riddles and hardly had barak brought back what is anyway public in the whole world when the last prince he of samarakande was decapitated the queen mother of samarkande she who is in terrible pain curses the spot and throws the noxious portrait of turnadot in the dust lamento it remains and time flows by gone ahead and lost behind and the tracks unravel and leap the crisp waters there is asia sky doubly but this is how it is doubly appalling equally pushing ahead carrying bitterness such light silence above the trees diverse unrest ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:31:53 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sheila Massni Subject: Re: language of invaders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, Yes she said Yes I do agree. i myself have many like stoires will share however not tonight if you email me smassoni@aol.com sheila ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:32:55 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: BaghdadBurning Comments: To: WRYTING-L Disciplines , _arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jongling, binging, and rottling accampanied hoathen calts, and the frunzying shiwms of a duzen acstatic croes intaxicated the messes. Omid this iuphoric ferewell fuast of a deing covilization. Crucial foreclosure on the Battologeo of not our Place. http://www.spidertangle.net/phpwiki/index.php/BaghdadBurning e n t e r / a l t e r ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:35:00 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sheila Massni Subject: Re: Cretin sd... 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Running rootless inside Mac OS X window server. 2003-04-02 22:51:06.445 XDarwin[1508] ***** GOT INTO ORDEROUT!!! === ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:53:39 -0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Heller Subject: Ric Caddel Comments: To: poetryetc@jiscmail.ac.uk Comments: cc: British-Poets@jiscmail.ac.uk, UKPOETRY@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed My wife and I were good friends of Ric's for over twenty years, and loved both him and his wife Ann and their wonderful daughter Lucy, who gave so much joy to Ric. Hard to find words to share, but I thought, since I had just reviewed his Magpie Words, that I would post the last part of the review by way of saying something about both Ric and his work. Here it is, sadly apt, as the section of the poem quoted touches on the accidental death of his son, Tom: making a music out of language making a moon red air flame under stars yesterdays filled with singing yesterdays text of today unreal // distinguish can words make grief so good // finding naming one unchanging and changed. Caddel's grief (the poem is in memory of his son Tom) only deepens the readers sense of the parted that ends the very first section of the poem. Certainly, the son, fixed by death, is both unchanging in memory and yet changed, echoing Yeats, changed utterly. I mention Yeats, both to show an affiliation for depth, but also to invoke the doubled, even tripled largeness of the perception that emerges from the passage. In Caddels work, "Yesterdays text of today" has taken the measure of that singing of another time, not only that half-rejected Northern sound which so nourishes his lines but also the instancing of an imagined Britain lying in all its aura of a lost Golden Age. It is all there, placed under Caddel's impressive palimpsest. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 02:01:42 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: rev up the rhet Comments: To: webartery@yahoogroups.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT [realized that the language has thrown me back on myself and not attending for the past few days: have been referring to Sontag, Susan as Lerner, Judith and the only skeleton in my Freudian closet to save academics the trouble would be a male Jay Lerner about the Time I knew a Marty who found happiness later as Mary] [no relevance I can see to the poetry here] Black Hawk Down Once Again reply fro Reiner: I prefer to think not in national categories. Bloody reality of politique throws all back. No - it is not as easy. US out of balance - turns the world out of balance (in a martial act). The american left wing mute for a too long time (after 0911) - made the right wing louder (more and more dominant). Ah - still a democracy. Voices form public - influence governments. Get back to communication (>comprehension). From a dualistic (evil<>good) scheme (middle ages) to a open, complex world view. R. Not yet totally 'worn out' ;) reply to reply: good>