========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 02:11:47 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: UPDATE - Scary News about Poet Craig Arnold; please pass on. Comments: To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From the Facebook Group "Find Craig Arnold" -- 4/30 11:08 EST: The coordinated efforts of the United States and Japanese government have resulted in a widened and extended search for poet Craig Arnold. We, Craig's family, are enormously grateful for these continued efforts. TO ALL THOSE WHO ARE HELPING US KEEP FAITH WITH CRAIG ARNOLD: RIGHT NOW THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION BEING DISTRIBUTED ON THE INTERNET. THIS FACEBOOK GROUP IS THE ONLY SITE ASSOCIATED WITH CRAIG'S FAMILY. WE ARE BEING FULLY SUPPORTED BY THE U.S. AND JAPANESE GOVERNMENT, AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US THAT THE AUTHORITIES ARE ABLE TO FOCUS ON CRAIG'S SEARCH. WE WILL CONTINUE TO POST ACCURATE AND UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION ABOUT CRAIG, HIS WHEREABOUTS, AND THE EFFORTS BEING MADE TO FIND HIM. IN THE MEANTIME, PLEASE KEEP BOTH CRAIG AND THE SEARCHERS WHO ARE MAKING GREAT EFFORT TO FIND HIM IN YOUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS. 4/30 9:20 PM EST: Link to the NPR audio: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103675357 http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=7848&post=29155&uid=74254019683#/group.php?gid=74254019683 _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:54:10 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Eleni Stecopoulos Subject: Symposium: Poetics of Healing, 5/9 in San Francisco In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please forward!=20 The Poetry Center presents Saturday MAY 9 =20 a symposium on the Poetics of Healing: creative investigations in a= rt=2C medicine=2C and somatic practice=20 =20 project curated by ELENI STECOPOULOS supported by the CREATIVE WORK FUND http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/ =20 Two interrelated programs=2C with a break for dinner=20 =20 Saturday MAY 9 4:00=966:00 pm AND 7:30=969:30 pm @ Meridian Gallery 535 Powell Street=2C $5 admittance per program=20 (park at Sutter=96 Stockton Garage=3B walk 4 blocks north from Powe= ll St BART) =20 THE POETICS OF HEALING: a symposium =20 "Our desire is to create a dialogue between artists whose work has somatic and therapeutic dimensions=3B healers and healthcare practitioners attuned to words=2C sound=2C imagery=2C and creativity in the= ir practice=3B and others (scholars=2C ethnographers=2C activists=2C community workers=2C patients) who study or work toward healing. Some topics of interest: the medicine of words and sound=3B healing the social body=3B listening and empathy=3B indigenous traditions=3B medical humanitie= s=3B trauma=2C language=2C and silence. . . ."=20 =96Eleni Stecopoulos=20 =20 Afternoon program=2C 4:00=966:00 pm =20 John Tercier Elise Ficarra Amber DiPietra Mutombo M'Panya =20 Dinner break=2C 6:00=967:30 pm =20 Evening Program=2C 7:30=969:30 pm Robert Gottesman Robert Kocik Silvia Nakkach =20 =20 Symposium bios: =20 Amber DiPietra is a poet who lives and works as a member of the Bay Area disability community. In perpetual cartilage deficit=2C her interests include tracking the orthopedic body in real time=2C personal fossil records=2C translating the phantom kinetic self=2C =A1accion mutante! politics=2C and warm waters. By day=2C she proffers information about talking books=2C tactile maps=2C and more at the LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired. You can read more from her in a recent issue of Tarpaulin Sky or = at adipietra.blogspot.com =20 Elise Ficarra is a poet=2C writer=2C editor=2C arts administrator= =2C Buddhist practitioner=2C yogi=2C and Zen Hospice volunteer. Swelter=2C her first book of poems=2C won the Michael Rubin Chapbook Award in 2005. Her writings have appeared in numerous magazines=2C and she is co-editor of the journal minor/american and Associate Director of The Poetry Center at SFSU=2C where she has also taught Creative Writing and English Composition. She is interested in the recuperative and restructuring capacities of language and listening and how writing and mindfulness practices inform one another. =20 Robert Gottesman "I am a 61 year old 4th generation physician who was trained at the University of Chicago. I spent five years doing full time emergency room work and twenty five years as a generalist in a small community North of Santa Barbara=2C California. Working=2C at times=2C with 3 and 4 generations of a single family I would provide comprehensive cradle to grave care to my patients. I have a master degree in depth psychology and I took a two year sabbatical to study Eastern philosophies. I am=20 interested in the relationship of healing and language and have used poetry and my own essays as adjunctive therapeutic modalities."=20 =20 Robert Kocik is a poet and architect living in Brooklyn=2C NY. He has= developed an experiential science called The Prosodic Body. "For the Prosodic Body=2C medicine is as intrinsic to poetry as music=3B speech signals hormonal secretion=3B inequity is treatable by tone=3B and our susceptibility to words is infinite." His publications include Overcoming Fitness (Autonomedia=2C 2001)=2C Rhrurbarb (Field Books/Periplum= Editions=2C 2007) and the 2009 All Peoples Calendar.=20 =20 Mutombo M'Panya=2C PhD=2C is originally from Congo/Zaire=3B he received his PhD from the University of Michigan in Planning and Management of Natural Resources=2C and was an instructor in their School of Public Health. As a Fellow of the Kellogg Institute at the University of Notre Dame=2C he also was coordinator of NGO projects. He has had more than 20 years of experience working with NGOs and has served on various boards=2C including the International Development Exchange=2C World Neighbors=2C and the Center for Global Health. M'Panya worked on USAID projects in Africa involving health planning=2C nutrition=2C and manpower training. He also worked as a consultant with UNDP and the World Bank=2C and with health and nutrition projects for the Community Systems Foundation=2C and has consulted on maternal health projects in Ecuador and Nicaragua. Currently=2C he is the director of the Science and Humanities Integration Project at Sonoma State University=2C where he teaches in the Hutchins School of Liberal Studies. He teaches and lectures in epidemiology at the California Institute of Integral Studies. One of his courses there deals with issues of music and healing=2C including pain management. =20 Silvia Nakkach M.A.=2C MMT=2C was named by Utne Reader "one of forty cutting-edge artists that will shake the art world in the new millennium." A pioneer in the field of sound and transformation of consciousness=2C she is an award-winning composer=2C a psychologist=2C a music therapist=2C and a voice-culturist. She has created The Yoga of the V= oice=2C a ground-breaking curriculum of vocal therapeutic techniques that have become landmarks in the field of sound and music therapy. Her interest in indigenous cosmology and spirituality has led her to collaborate with legendary teachers from Indian and South American shamanic traditions=2C and for 27 years she has studied Indian classical music with maestro Ali Akbar Khan. She is on the faculty and is the academic advisor for the Sound=2C Voice=2C Music Healing Certificate at the California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco. Nakkach is the founding director of the Vox Mundi Project & School of the Voice=2C an international organization devoted to the preservation of sacred musical traditions combining music=2C service and spiritual practice=2C with school sites in Rio de Janeiro=2C Brazil=2C Buenos Aires=2C Argentina= =2C Santa Fe=2C New Mexico=2C Barcelona=2C Spain=2C New York=2C and the Bay Are= a. She has released seven CD albums=3B her CD Ah=2C The Healing Voice is widely played in health care centers to create a healing atmosphere during radiation and surgical interventions. She is a contributing author to various books=2C including Music and the Human Process=2C Music i= n Human Adaptation=2C Transpersonal Consciousness=2C and Music Therapy at t= he End of Life=2C and is presently working on her latest book: Yoga of the = Voice. She resides in the San Francisco Bay Area. John Tercier received his MD from the University of Alberta and PhD in Humanities from the University of London. He practices as an emergency medicine specialist in Canada and has taught history of medicine and cultural studies at universities in the United Kingdom and United States. This symposium=2C The Poetics of Healing=2C provides an opportunity to explore from yet another point of view his interest in the intersection of the arts and medicine. His work on the cultural significance of resuscitative protocols/rituals=2C The Contemporary Deathbe= d: The Ultimate Rush=2C was published by Palgrave Macmillan in 2005. His cu= rrent research focuses on the trauma of representation. Eleni Stecopoulos is a San Francisco poet and independent scholar. Co-recipient=2C with The Poetry Center=2C of a Creative Work Fund grant for 2008-2010=2C she is curator of "The Poetics of Healing" and is writing a creative-critical book on the topic that draws on program events and the conversations they generate. Stecopoulos is the author of a poetry chapbook=2C Autoimmunity (Taxt=2C 2006) and the forthcoming collection Armi= es of Compassion (Palm Press=2C 2009). She holds an MFA in Creative Writing from the University of Virginia and a PhD in English from the State University of New York at Buffalo=2C and has taught writing and literature at these schools as well as Bard College=2C St. John's University=2C and San Francisco State University. =20 =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail=AE: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox.=20 http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_= Updates2_042009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:41:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Steve Clay Subject: Granary Books at CUE Art Foundation (NYC) May 15, 2009, 6-8 PM Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Please join us Friday May 15 at the CUE Art Foundation in New York =20 City for an evening exploring the books published by Granary in 2008 & 2009, hosted by =20 Bill Corbett. Many of the writers and artists will be present to speak about their =20 projects. The roster includes: Alcuni Telefonini, Francesco Clemente & Vincent Katz =93The Animal is in the World Like Water in Water=94, Kiki Smith & = Leslie =20 Scalapino The Desert, Jen Bervin Faster Than Birds Can Fly, Trevor Winkfield & John Ashbery Nine Nights Meditation, Donna Dennis & Anne Waldman Oaths? Questions?, James Siena & Marjorie Welish The Square, Emily McVarish Friday, May 15, 2009 6:00-8:00 pm at CUE Art Foundation 511 West 25th Street (between 10th & 11th Aves.) New York City Admission is free, reservations are required: 212-206-3583 or email ryan.thomas@cueartfoundation.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:21:35 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project May Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Here=B9s what he have coming up next week at The Poetry Project. Also, scroll down for info on the Flarf Collective=B9s Movie Nite at Dixon Place. Monday, May 4, 8 PM Dorothea Lasky & Kristin Palm Dorothea Lasky is the author of AWE (Wave Books, 2007) and Black Life (Wave Books, 2010). Her chapbooks include Tourmaline (Transmission Press, 2008), The Hatmaker=B9s Wife (Braincase Press, 2006), Art (H_NGM_N Press, 2006), and Alphabets and Portraits (Anchorite Press, 2005). She has been educated at Washington University, University of Massachusetts-Amherst, and Harvard University. Currently, she studies creativity and education at the University of Pennsylvania. Kristin Palm grew up in Mt. Pleasant, Michigan, and lived in Detroit for many years. She currently resides in San Francisco= , California. Her writing has appeared in LVNG, Bird Dog, Boog City, Chain, There, Dusie and the anthology Bay Poetics (Faux Press, 2006), as well as numerous magazines and newspapers, including Metropolis, Planning and the Detroit Metro Times. Wednesday, May 6, 8 PM Arthur=B9s Landing (songs by Arthur Russell) Please join us for a special performance by Arthur=B9s Landing, a band formed to celebrate the musical genius of Arthur Russell. Members of the band are all friends of Russell=B9s who worked closely with him: Steven Hall, Peter Zummo, Ernie Brooks, Joyce Bowden, Mustafa Ahmed, John Scherman, Bill Ruyle and Elodie Lauten. They are working on mixing their first CD to be released summer 2009. Arthur=B9s Landing will be headlining the Arthur-O-Rama festival in NYC this October. Seminal avant-garde composer, singer-songwriter, cellist, and disco producer Arthur Russell is the focus of the feature length 2008 documentary Wild Combination from director Matt Wolf . A biography, called Hold Onto Your Dreams by Tim Lawrence, is due out this year. DIXON PLACE and the FLARF COLLECTIVE >=20 > Present =A0M O V I E =A0 N I T E >=20 > http://movieniteatdixonplace.blogspot.com/ > ay-1st-2nd.html>=20 >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DM-4KD4YUTtM > ay-1st-2nd.html>=20 >=20 > MAY 1 & 2, 2009 =A0 =A08PM >=20 > An Mini-Festival of Live Interactives, Musical Attacks, > Neo-Benshi, Experimental Video and other damages > to the World's Cinematic Legacy >=20 > A Benefit for Dixon Place >=20 > Advance Tickets: $12/show ($15 at the door) =A0 Both nights: $20=A0 >=20 > Advance Tickets Available (and highly recommended) at=A0www.dixonplace.org > >=20 > Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.org/become-a-member Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.org/program-calendar The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.org www.poetryproject.org Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=B9d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a line at info@poetryproject.org. >=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:16:35 -0700 Reply-To: olson-conference@sfu.ca Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Alexander Subject: CHARLES OLSON CENTENARY CONFERENCE Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed CHARLES OLSON CENTENARY CONFERENCE June 4-6 2010 Simon Fraser University Vancouver British Columbia One hundred years after his birth, and fifty years after The New =20 American Poetry anthology transformed the landscape of contemporary =20 poetry, Charles Olson, arguably one of the most influential figures =20 in twentieth century literature, remains a puzzlingly marginalized =20 figure. As Ben Friedlander writes in Olson=E2=80=99s Collected Prose, it = =20 is =E2=80=9Cas if the unread Olson were the necessary =C2=BE submerged = berg =20 making possible the =C2=BC ice floe.=E2=80=9D In the spirit of bringing = Olson =20 back into the polis=E2=80=94and delving into the =E2=80=9C3/4 = submerged=E2=80=9D portion =20 of this =E2=80=9Cmaximal=E2=80=9D figure=E2=80=94the Charles Olson = Centenary Conference =20 seeks new readings of Olson=E2=80=99s poetry, poetics, and his influence = on =20 twentieth and twenty-first century literature and culture. Topics to =20 be addressed could include (but are not limited to): =E2=97=8F Black Mountain College reconsidered =E2=97=8F The New Canadian Poetry? Olson north of the border =E2=97=8F Olson, economics, and democracy =E2=97=8F Olson, geography, and the spatial turn =E2=97=8F Olson and American history =E2=97=8F Olson and the archive =E2=97=8F Olson / Melville / Shakespeare =E2=97=8F Olson and Mexico =E2=97=8F Olson, Women, and the Feminine =E2=97=8F Olson and his contemporaries =E2=97=8F Olson and 21st century poetry =E2=97=8F Olson=E2=80=99s influences/Olson=E2=80=99s influence =E2=97=8F Poetry as research =E2=97=8F Poetry and the polis =E2=97=8F The politics of poetic form Please submit abstracts of 250-500 words to Stephen Collis at olson-=20 conference@sfu.ca by October 1 2009. More information and conference =20 updates will be available at http://www.sfu.ca/olson-conference.= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 08:34:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gary Sullivan Subject: MOVIE NITE @ DIXON PLACE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable May 1 & 2=2C 2009=2C 8 PM A Mini-Festival of Live Interactives=2C Musical Attacks=2C Neo-Benshi=2C Ex= perimental Video and other damages to the World's Cinematic Legacy A Benefit for Dixon Place 161 Chrystie Street (just above Delancey) Advance Tickets: $12/show ($15 at the door) Both nights: $20 Advance Tickets Available (and highly recommended) at www.dixonplace.org PROGRAM SCHEDULE *Friday=2C May 1st* =20 Sharon Mesmer=2C Dainipponjin David Larsen=2C Logan's Run Edwin Torres=2C Five 1/2 =20 *Intermission* =20 Nicole Peyrafitte=2C A Voyage to the Moon Julian Brolaski (with Paul Foster Johnson)=2C Another Man's Poison Bruce Andrews (with Brandon Downing)=2C Sip Girl *Video by Konrad Steiner=2C Linh Dinh=2C Nada Gordon and Brandon Downing =20 *Saturday=2C May 2nd* David Larsen=2C Troy Nada Gordon=2C Navrang Tisa Bryant=2C Untitled Gary Sullivan=2C Darby O'Gill and the Little People =20 *Intermission* =20 Eileen Myles=2C Satyricon=20 Bruce Andrews (with Brandon Downing)=2C Gossip Bruce Drew Gardner and Risa Puno=2C Untitled *Video by Konrad Steiner=2C Linh Dinh=2C and Brandon Downing http://movieniteatdixonplace.blogspot.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DM-4KD4YUTtM _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto= rial_Storage1_052009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:42:36 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: aslongasittakes Subject: aslongasittakes issue 3 is now up In-Reply-To: <49FB0990.9040005@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Issue three is now up at aslongastittakes ! It features an essay on 17th Century Icelandic sound poet Æri-Tobbi by EIRÍKUR ÖRN NORðDAHL, an interactive sound application by JIM ANDREWS, and audible and legible sound poems by GERARD ALTAIÓ, SERGEY BIRYUKOV, JOHN M. BENNETT, JAAP BLONK, DAVID BRADEN, MIKE CANNELL, ANYA COBLER, TIM GAZE, EVGENIJ KHARITONOV, NOBUO KUBOTA & W. MARK SUTHERLAND, CHAD LEITZ, PHILIP MEERSMAN, STEPHEN NELSON, EIRÍKUR ÖRN NORðDAHL, MARK PREJSNAR, and CHRIS STROFFOLINO. Enjoy, James Sanders ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:41:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: jared schickling Subject: Mayday Magazine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All=2C Would like to invite you to a new online magazine: maydaymagazine.com Mayday presents the best in nonfiction=2C microfiction=2C poetry=2C political/cultural commentary=2C translation=2C and visual art in its spring and fall online issues. Our current issue features work by writers and translators including David R. Slavitt=2C Abdellatif La=E2bi=2C Jillian Weise=2C Dan Beachy-Quick=2C Steve Davenport=2C Mark Spitzer=2C Christophe Casamassima=2C Gordon Hadfield=2C Nancy Hadfield=2C Paula Carter= =2C and Raul Clement. Jared Schickling interviews poet and featured visual artist David-Baptiste Chirot=2C and we listen in as Okla Elliott talks with Matt Gonzalez=2C Ralph Nader's extremely charming and intelligent 2008 vice-presidential running mate. A large roundtable discussion explores the current state of poetry criticism=2C featuring writers=2C editors=2C and reviewers such as Kent Johnson=2C Ange Mlinko=2C Eric Lorberer=2C Don Share=2C Annie Finch=2C David Orr=2C Stephen Burt=2C Mauree= n McLane=2C Mark Halliday=2C Robert Archambeau=2C and John Beer.=20 Jared Schickling _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE:=85more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:01:31 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Red Rover Series / Experiment #29 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Red Rover Series {readings that play with reading} Experiment #29: Slowness / Stillness / Silence SATURDAY, MAY 9th 7pm Featuring: Lisa Fishman & Aurora Tabar NEW LOCATION at the Orientation Center 2129 N. Rockwell -- Chicago, IL corner of Milwaukee/Rockwell=20 left side of the Congress Theater building http://orientationcenter.wordpress.com suggested donation $4 LISA FISHMAN is the author of The Happiness Experiment and Dear, Read; as w= ell as two earlier books and three recent chapbooks. She lives in Orfordvil= le, Wisconsin and in Chicago, where she teaches at Columbia College. She ha= s a new collection, F L O W E R C A R T, forthcoming on Ahsahta Press. AURORA TABAR is interested in exploring the boundaries between the personal= , professional, and artistic and has been known to make performances in her= living room and bedroom. Her work has been presented at Links Hall, the C= hicago Cultural Center, Gallery 400, Gallery 2, and the Lee Strasberg Theat= er Institute (New York). She is a Teaching Artist through the Hyde Park Art= Center and a staff member at Links Hall. Red Rover Series is curated by Lisa Janssen and Jennifer Karmin. Each event= is designed as a reading experiment with participation by local, national,= and international writers, artists, and performers. The series was founded= in 2005 by Amina Cain and Jennifer Karmin. UPCOMING June 6th - No=E9 Cu=E9llar & Ian Hatcher Email ideas for reading experiments to us at redroverseries@yahoogroups.com The schedule for upcoming events is listed at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/redroverseries =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:33:29 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Cara Benson Subject: Poetry as Self-Translation at Millay Colony MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable May 29th to= Millay Colony for the Arts=C2=A0upcoming Workshop Retreat:=0A=0AMay 29th to= June 1st=0APoetry Writing as Self-Translation=0AInstructor: Tom=C3=A1s Ura= yo=C3=A1n Noel=0A=0AIn this workshop, we will write poems (broadly and self= -reflexively defined) by looking beyond our own formal, methodological, and= linguistic comfort zones. To guide us, we will read some poems by contempo= rary poets engaged in various projects of self-translation=E2=80=94not only= from language to language but also from formal to free verse, from pagebou= nd to performance work, and from automatic to programmatic writing (and bac= k again!)=E2=80=94and we will attempt some of our own self-translations. Ra= ther than work on various drafts of a given poem, we will approach rewritin= g as a constructivist enterprise (open-ended, provisional, plural). Using a= variety of prompts and interactive exercises, we will write in our own tra= ns-languages, non-languages, and found languages.=0A=C2=A0=0ATom=C3=A1s Ura= yo=C3=A1n Noel is originally from San Juan, Puerto Rico. He is the author o= f Boringk=C3=A9n (Callej=C3=B3n/La Tertulia, 2008) and Kool Logic/La l=C3= =B3gica kool (Bilingual Press), which was named a Book of the Year for 2006= by El Nuevo D=C3=ADa, Puerto Rico's leading newspaper. (The books are supp= lemented by a performance CD and DVD respectively, both featuring music by = composer Monxo L=C3=B3pez.) His poetry has been published in various anthol= ogies of Puerto Rican and Latino/a writing, and his articles, reviews, and = translations of Latin(o/a) American poets have recently appeared in Centro = Journal, Bomb, and Mandorla. He is co-founder and literary director of the = South Bronx arts organization and collective Spanic Attack, with whom he ha= s been performing since 2003. He currently divides his time between the Bro= nx and Albany, NY, and is Assistant Professor of English at the University = at Albany, SUNY.=0A=0AFor more information visit the website http://www.mil= laycolony.org/workshops or=C2=A0get in touch with Caroline Crumpacker at 51= 8-392-4144 or director@millaycolony.org.=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:41:59 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Three Firsts -- First lesbian Poet Laureate and first woman in 341 years MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) Carol Ann Duffy is the first lesbian Poet Laureat= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A1)=A0 Carol Ann Duffy is=0Athe first lesbian Poet Laureat= e in UK=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12253.html= =0A=0A=A0=0A=0A=0A=0A2)=A0 Carol Ann Duffy=0Ahas been named as the new Poet= Laureate, the first woman to be appointed in the=0A341-year history of the= post.=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8027767.stm=0A= =0A Also the first Scot to be named Laureate. _______ =0A =0A =0A =0AAmy's Alias =0Ahttp://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:15:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Doug Holder Subject: ERIC GREINKE: A Poet and publisher who promotes mental expansion. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" ERIC GREINKE: A Poet and publisher who promotes mental expansion. ERIC GREINKE: A Poet and publisher who promotes mental expansion. Interview with Doug Holder Eric Greinke, a native of Michigan, makes no apologies about his ambition= s for his work. Greinke, 61, has always been about mental expansion, a way = to advance not only the awareness of individuals but society as a whole. I w= as introduced to Greinke by Hugh Fox, the noted small press poet, writer, an= d critic. In 2005 Fox told me that Greinke was starting up a small press (Presa Press), and was soliciting select small press poets for an avant-garde anthology =93Inside the Outside=85=94 Fox had recommended me = for the anthology and I was thrilled to be in a collection with the likes of A. D.Winans, Lyn Lifshin, Hugh Fox, Harry Smith, Stanley Nelson, Richard Kostelantz and so many other noted poets. Greinke founded his first literary magazine =93Metamorphosis=94 with Ronn= ie Lane in 1968. His first poetry chapbook =93Earth Songs=94 was published in 197= 0, followed by =93Canary Wine, Milk run & and Other Poems,=94 and =93San= d & Other Poems,=94 (A full length, hardcover book.) In the early 70=92s Greinke st= arted Pilot Press Books with Ronnie Lane and established a national literary magazine while at Grand Valley State University in Michigan. He published= a wide selection of poets early in their careers like: Diane Wakoski, Etheridge Knight, Donald Hall, Kirby Congdon and many others. Greinke was= also a book reviewer for the Grand Rapids Press for many years, and broug= ht writers like Robert Creeley, Charles Bukowski, Clayton Eshleman to the attention of a mass audience. After a long hiatus from the publishing gam= e Greinke, along with his wife Roseanne, birthed the Presa Press, and in a short time Presa has been making a name for itself on the national litera= ry scene. Greinke generously consented to an interview, but wanted to concentrate on his life as a writer, rather than on his publishing that h= as been well-covered in previous interviews. Doug Holder: A lot of poets talk about how journalism helped them learn t= he discipline needed to write. Did the Coast Guard contribute to your maturation as a writer, as well as your journalistic background? Eric Greinke: I went into the Coast Guard in 1966, at the height of the Vietnam War, mainly to avoid the draft. Saving lives seemed preferable to= taking them or losing my own. Also, we were poor & I had no money for= college, so I wanted the G.I. Bill, which had generous educational benefi= ts back then. I did apply for a job as a journalist in the Coast Guard, but there were only two slots for journalism because the Coast Guard was smal= ler than the New York Police Department, about 28,000 at that time. Being the= literary editor of a high school newspaper didn't qualify me. So, I went = on a Search & Rescue team on the Great Lakes, which was home, so I was q= uite pleased with that instead of death abroad. I did write my first attempt a= t a novel during my night watches, however, & of course, later wrote Sea = Dog as a quasi-autobiographical-90%-true experiment in creative non-fiction. But= , Sea Dog probably owes more to Mark Twain than it does to the Coast Guard.= I was inspired by Huckleberry Finn to write it in the first person naive vo= ice that allows for many funny double entendres. But, I guess I did learn the= value of writing every day, because those night watches were four hours o= f nothing much to do but listen to the emergency ship to shore channel &= ; hourly security checks around the station. The dog that was the inspirati= on for Yogi (the dog character in Sea Dog) kept me company on those watches.= DH: I noticed the first magazine you put out was "Metamorphosis." Were yo= u a Kafka freak, or just into the over-all idea of transformation? EG: My work has always been about mental expansion. Metamorphosis Magazin= e started as a newsletter subtitled "a Transcendental Newsletter" & it = evolved into a local literary magazine supported by book & record store ads, primarily. But, yes, the idea that poetry should be seen as part of the human potential movement, a way to advance the awareness not only of individuals, but also of society as a whole, was central to my philosophy= from the beginning. DH: Were you part of what Hugh Fox coined as the "Invisible Generation" o= f writers? EG: Not exactly. I think Hugh meant that immediate generation of post-Bea= t poets & writers that were less primitive than the Beats but who found= it difficult to follow such a popular act. I knew all those guys, but they w= ere all older than I was. Hugh Fox & Harry Smith were already icons in th= e early seventies. Hugh was the most avant-garde poet/publisher in Michigan then,= with his Ghost Dance. Harry was the most active small press publisher in = New York City. I was recognized early by the established avant-garde. In my early twenties, I had already published in magazines alongside Robert Bly= , Donald Hall, William Stafford, Robert Creeley, Allen Ginsberg, Phil Whale= n, Diane Wakoski, Ted Berrigan & other well-recognized poets. Because ou= r last names both started with =91G,' I found myself published a page or two awa= y from Allen Ginsberg regularly. I was also published alongside Lyn Lifshin quite a bit in the early days.= Joel Oppenheimer, Jackson MacLow, Paul Blackburn - I was acquainted with = all those guys. But, most poets born in the forties tend toward deconstructio= n. We have been influenced by not only the Beats, but the New York School, t= he Black Mountain poets & the neo-imagists like Robert Bly. As a generat= ion, the boomers are more diverse & literate than the more primitive Beats= , therefore not as accessible or popular as a result. We were certainly mor= e visible back then with only four or five hundred poetry books being produ= ced a year instead of the four or five thousand produced today. It was easier= to get attention back then. Also, poetry became quite popular in the seventi= es on college campuses. DH: You were a book reviewer for the Grand Rapid Press in Michigan. What = for you constitutes a good book review? EG: That experience was amazing in hindsight. The Grand Rapids Press has = a high circulation - a half a million readers. I didn't realize how unusual= it was for a large city newspaper to print big reviews, some up to a half pa= ge, of poetry books. I reviewed Charles Bukowski early in his career, Robert Creeley, Tom Clark, Dan Gerber, Diane Wakoski, Clayton Eshleman, Jerome Rothenberg, Joe Brainard, Nikki Giovanni, & numerous other poets duri= ng the seventies. John Martin of Black Sparrow Press regularly sent me everythin= g he published, among others such as Jim Harrison's Sumac Press, Caterpilla= r Press, etc. The overall effect was that poetry actually sold in the Grand= Rapids area. The reviews were part of the whole scene. When a review is well-written, it reveals the essence of the book being reviewed. It answers the question of whether the writer accomplished what= he set out to do. It identifies the primary message of the book & how we= ll the message is delivered. I also like it when the reviewer confesses to any biases regarding the material. I guess the most important thing is to write honestly about you= r response to the book, qualifying your opinions when fair & necessary.= Sometimes this means going against popular opinion. I panned The Autobiography of Andy Warhol for its facetiousness. He'd sent all the reviewers signed copies. But, the book was campy & lacked the substan= ce it could potentially have had. Decades later, the critics mostly agree with = me on Warhol's work. But, at the time, I was out on the proverbial limb. DH: Transcendentalism has a big influence in your writing. Your work seem= s to be steeped in nature, nature imagery, like Thoreau. Can you talk a bit= about this? I am more into character study, does this appeal to you at al= l? EG: Thoreau & his transcendentalism had enormous influence on my worl= d-view. Let me go on record saying that Thoreau was the greatest American writer/philosopher of all. He was a kind of American Zen master. He was right about everything, & he had the personal courage to live his convictions. The true test of genius is that their works continue to be relevant over time. Thoreau surpasses even that test. His philosophy is actually more relevant today than in his own time. I believe deeply in human potential & in poetry as a tool of social consciousness & personal awareness. Poetry is like humor, in that it attempts to break through to a higher level of awareness, a new recogniti= on or a relationship that you didn't see before. Thoreau believed in immersi= ng oneself into whatever natural environment one was born into. Every man is= a microcosm of the larger macrocosm. Pure spirituality outside of religious= dogma is a human potential. Nature is my cathedral. It renews me & en= ergizes me. The best way for me to overcome writer's block is to go outside. For = me, that usually means hiking or kayaking, maybe fishing. I love to spend tim= e with friends on these activities, & do so regularly. I live by a large lake in an area of numerous lakes & rivers. (Michig= an has almost 12,000 lakes.) I have two ski resorts, a large park with hiking trails & a big nature preserve that includes a good-sized lake, all w= ithin about a five mile radius of my cottage. I purposely chose the place for i= ts outdoor recreational value. As a poet, you write about your environment & experiences. I do inclu= de the human world though. It's an essential ingredient in my so-called nature poems, because I want to evoke the contrast between the human world &= the natural world. We need to recognize that nature is alive too, & becom= e respectful of that, for our soul's sake, & for the survival of our sp= ecies. Character study does interest me, but not in poetry. My novel-in-progress= , Elephant's Graveyard, is a character driven book. I see poetry, at least = for me, my impulse, as dealing with big mysteries, paradox & perceptual a= wareness. DH: Allen Ginsberg wrote, and I paraphrase: "I saw the best minds of my generation lost to madness." How about you? Is this poet as a madman a lo= t of hype, a misguided romantic notion? EG: I think the stereotype of the mad poet is mostly hyperbole, with a fe= w notable exceptions. Writing poetry is high functioning. Perhaps it was on= ly when they were writing that the so called mad poets were sane, or super-sane. Like a joke, a poem needs a punch-line that delivers that "Ah= a!" that lift to a new recognition. That's why laughter is transcendental. It= 's that moment of mental integration, when recognition rushes in. Good poems= do the same thing. They take the top of your head off, to paraphrase Emily Dickinson. DH: You said in an interview that you are concerned with perception vs. reality. Isn't perception reality... for the person that is? Is there a collective reality...really? EG: The human condition contains a wide range of experiences & states= of mind, but taken as a whole, there are parameters. Poetry, like humor, plu= gs into that common shared experience. Morality is an expression of shared values. Again, there is diversity, but there are also universal or near universal taboos on the negative side & positive values such as altru= ism too. There is a big reality, but we are limited by our sensory perception &= ; our mental capacity in perceiving it. In the context of the rather large expanding universe, human reality is limited indeed. Dogs hear & smel= l far more than we do. Eagles have telescopic vision. Whales have a bigger brai= n to body ration than humans. DH: You say you want to "break through the surface of things" Have you? A= nd what have you found? EG: Philosophically: personal growth requires divergent thinking. If one = is convergent in thought, forming dogmatic attitudes, progress is halted. Degrees of abstraction are like rungs on a ladder. Climbing requires flexibility. An internal locus of control increases responsibility & = leads to better choices. Being in love is the highest level of human experience= . It takes you out of yourself. Nature abhors a vacuum. When you're hurting= , give until it feels good. Worry about the past or future causes anxiety. Time is precious & limited. Death is inevitable & unpredictable. = Make each day Thanksgiving & Valentine's Day. In poetic terms, I've learned that ambiguity & mystery are desirable,= & that the poet's intention is not necessarily the real message of a poem. Poems= symbolize deeper thoughts & feelings, the way dreams do. I've learned= to trust my intuition as my greatest strength as a poet. DH: Why did you work as a social worker as opposed to English teacher, editor, etc...? EG: I felt a strong need to get physically involved in the effort to trea= t child abuse & neglect. Although I had some sudden fame as a poet, I f= elt that it would be vain to prioritize it over working directly toward socia= l change. I needed to see myself as a man of action. I had the energy &= I wanted to tussle with evil. Later, when my conscience was clear, I began publishing my writing again. DH: Hugh Fox wrote in a critical essay about you that it seems that you advocate dropping out of the work-a-day world, tune out the rat race, and= tune into the natural world. Should I, for an example, quit the day job, = and retire to the wilds, living off the land. In other words how can a man or= woman combine the demands of everyday, with the need to connect to our natural selves? EG: Obviously we can't all retire to the wilds. But we can, as Emerson advised "simplify, simplify." (Why the hell did he have to say it twice?)= We can pare down our material possessions; make time decisions based on the potential quality of an experience instead of material gain or superficia= l social compulsion. I think people should choose an occupation based on meaning. My youngest son told me he wants to major in philosophy. "That w= ill have no occupational value." I said. "That's what I like about it." he replied. He's right. DH: Can you talk about the genesis of the Presa Press? EG: The word presa is a musical term that refers to the entry-point into = a canon. We felt that the non-academic post-Beat poets were poorly represen= ted in relation to each other. The need was there to document the underground= canon. The whole thing developed through conversations with Kirby Congdon= , Harry Smith & Hugh Fox. Librarians & others interested in documen= ting the independent press poets expressed the need to me originally. I had the experience of running the successful seventies press Pilot Press Books. S= ome of those Pilot Press Books are selling for over $600 a copy on the international market. We've tried to publish the edgiest, most consistent= ly good poets, like any other press. The strength of a small press is its backlist. We are committed to keepin= g everything we publish in print. Sales of well-received poetry books are cumulative over time. Of course, a lot depends on the poet. The poet is t= he best salesman of his own books. DH: I consider you one of the exalted gray beards of the small press alon= g with Hugh Fox, Len Fulton, Lyn Lifshin, Alan Catlin, Ed Galing, A.D. Wina= ns and the list goes on. What would the world be like without the small or alternative presses? EG: Lyn Lifshin has no beard at all, but she is, & should be exalted!= The world would be less hopeful without the small press, for one thing. For another, literature would stagnate. Historically, the greatest writers ha= ve never been academics. They were either Bohemians, or they worked in anoth= er non-academic profession. Frost was a farmer. Eliot & Stevens were businessmen. Williams was a physician. The academy didn't like the Beats until City Lights sold a million copies of Howl. Even though Olson & = Creeley were academics, they were relegated to the small press because they were avant-garde. Today, college teachers like Gerald Locklin or Hugh Fox, if they work in the Whitmanic, colloquial manner, choose the small press. I'= ve learned that every poet who writes represents a group of people who feel = the same way. Some of us, like Billy Collins, have wider audiences, & som= e of us are closer to the minority on the cutting edge. You'll find that edge in = the independent presses. Folkways are ultimately much more powerful than the current fashion of a socio-economically privileged few. All will be reconciled through the test of time. GARMENT Light emanates from my coat My coat that contains A shining stream My coat of fool=92s gold Wiser than the stars Singing in its pockets Imprisoned by the fragrance Of the rosy clouds Like the dark heart Hidden in a bright cave Hidden in infinity So far out in the open That little fish Swim through its fabric. --Eric Greinke =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:00:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: stephanie anderson Subject: Projective Industries Open Reading Period MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Projective Industries Open Reading Period Projective Industries wants to read your chapbook! MAY 1 through MAY 31 Manuscripts should be between eight and 25 pages in length Submissions accepted via email only Send as a .doc (no docx) file to projective.industries at gmail dot com Include an acknowledgments page Simultaneous submissions are fine, as long as you keep us updated See our chapbooks at http://www.projectiveindustries.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 20:15:31 -0400 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Buuck Subject: BARGE/Mission17 Reading: Cervantes, Murguia, & Tea: May 9th! Comments: To: Lara Mott Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please join Mission17 Gallery & BARGE at a special reading held in conjunct= ion with the exhibit "17 Reasons Why," an ongoing residency exploring the c= ultural politics of the Mission district, hosted by David Buuck & BARGE. Co= me for prose, poetry, & conversation-- hope to see you there! Michelle Tea (*Valencia*) Alejandro Murgu=C3=ADa (*This War Called Love*) Lorna Dee Cervantes (*Drive*) Saturday May 9, 4-6 pm Mission17 Gallery 2111 Mission Street @ 17th, 4th Floor mission17.org buuckbarge.wordpress.com -------------------------- BARGE - The Bay Area Research Group in Enviro-aesthetics - was started by D= avid Buuck in 2003. BARGE has organized several (de)tours around the Bay Ar= ea, investigating regional sites & spaces that are underrepresented & overl= ooked in more conventional touristic, commercial, & socio-political notions= of place & public space. See davidbuuck.com/barge for more information. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 21:04:48 -0700 Reply-To: jkarmin@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Poetry Radio: Wordslingers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wordslingers is live radio for poetry and the conversations and culture it ignites, with a particular emphasis on Chicago. Twice each month, poets and writers convene in WLUW's studios to read their work aloud, and explore how poetry interacts with Chicago's broader literary culture. This Sunday, May 3rd join guest host Kurt Heintz (e-poets network) with young writers Nat Iosabaker and Victor Ortiz, as they talk about their experiences at Louder Than a Bomb and other venues where emerging youth writers are creating new culture. Then hear Jennifer Karmin (Red Rover Series co-curator) in her own reading, and in conversation about teaching poetry in its many diverse forms. Wordslingers is presented by Shelly Nation and produced by Michael Watson. Listen to Wordslingers on WLUW, Loyola University radio on 88.7 FM in Chicago, or click to the live stream at http://www.wluw.org. Broadcasts are at 8:00 PM, on the first and third Sunday of each month. The archive is at http://securefdata.com/WordSlingers/VoxCafeMusic.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:39:26 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: john rouse Subject: www.createculture.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve tried working with the system and system wanted to work with m= e. In fact the system tried to swallow me whole. Not in one gulp, but in ti= ny, tiny, minuscule bites. My middle finger went first right when I was get= ting ready to give the bird to the system. CHOMP! It was gone. But I still = had my fists thrust in the air. Then CHOMP, CHOMP they were gone too. The s= ystem was hungry. But that was all right for as long as I had my ears. I co= uld listen and hear. Then the system ate my ears. And right before it ate m= y ears it whispered softly to me and convinced me to close my eyes. Now, I = cannot see. But the system has not ate everything yet. It is afraid to come= for my mouth. Because, it knows that I also am hungry and ready to take a = bite of my own, and chew, and spit words that know no system.=20 -John Rouse I have recently launched a website for poets and other artists at http://ww= w.createculture.org. This website is free to join and is a network that in= clude poets, throat singers, tap dancers, rock and roll musicians...and man= y, many talented artists in general. I invite you to share your innovative= poetry on the site and to learn about other artists around the world. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 09:04:49 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lewis Warsh Subject: Annual Books Party Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Put on your spring finery and come celebrate with the best small presses in NYC! Annual Books Party Thursday, May 7, 2009 6-8pm Jack Shainman Gallery 513 W. 20th, NYC For further information contact: seguefoundation@verizon.net Featuring Belladonna =95 BootStrap =95 The Figures =95 Granary =95 Roof Talisman =95 Ugly Duckling =95 United Artists =95 Portable Press at = Yo-yo Labs Belladonna Area by Marcella Durand mauve sea-orchids by Lila Zemborain Open Box by Carla Harryman The Elders Series The Figures Space by Clark Coolidge No. 111 by Kenneth Goldsmith Ted by Ron Padgett Mon Canard by Stephen Rodefer BootStrap Rancho Weirdo by Laura Chester I No Longer Believe in the Sun: Love Letters to Katie Couric by Derek Fenner Parish Krewes by Micah Ballard Riot Act by Geoffrey Young Granary Faster Than Birds Can Fly by John Ashbery & Trevor Winkfield. Nine Nights Meditation by Anne Waldman & Donna Dennis Oaths? Questions? by Marjorie Welish & James Siena The Square by Emily McVarish Roof Styrofoam by Evelyn Reilly Rob the Plagiarist by Rob Fitterman Public Domain by Monica de la Torre Quadragene by Larry Price Talisman Eschaton by Michael Heller Bending the Mind Around the Dream=92s Blown Fuse by Timothy Liu, Hearth by Simon Pettet Petals of Zero Petals of One by Andrew Zawacki Ugly Duckling Classification of a Spit Stain by Ellie Ga Notes on Conceptualisms by Vanessa Place and Rob Fitterman The Russian Version by Elena Fanailova (translated by Genya Turovskaya and Stephanie Sandler) A Plate of Chicken by Matthew Rohrer Portable Press at Yo-yo Labs Shaved Code by Frances Richard Materialisms by Miranda Mellis Generic Whistle-Stop by Thomas Fink The Book Called Spring by David Brazil United Artists Absolutely Eden by Bobbie Louise Hawkins My Autobiography by Barbara Henning The Influence of Paintings Hung in Bedrooms by Phyllis Wat Join the Planets by Reed Bye For further information contact: seguefoundation@verizon.net =20= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 21:20:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: jared schickling Subject: Mayday Magazine again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable redundant=2C my apologies=2C but i didn't send an active link last time Inviting you to our new magazine: http://www.maydaymagazine.com/ js _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto= rial_Storage1_052009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 09:00:07 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Declaration Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, Theory and Writing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) I hereby declare myself poet laureate of West Lima, Wisconsin. Population 38. Submit any objections in writing to mayor within 90 days. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 14:59:26 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Grant Jenkins Subject: CFP--TULSA (NEW YORK) SCHOOL CONFERENCE, Nov 5-7, 2009 (May 15 deadline) In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Conference Call for Papers the =B3Tulsa School=B2 at the University of Tulsa Tulsa, Oklahoma, November 5-7, 2009 =20 Confirmed Participants: RON PADGETT, DICK GALLUP, Alice Notley, Robert Harris, Anselm Berrigan, and Edmund Berrigan =20 Papers are being solicited on what John Ashbery once nicknamed the =B3soi-disant Tulsa School,=B2 including Ted Berrigan, Ron Padgett, Joe Brainard, and Dick Gallup=8Bwho met in Tulsa in the early 1960s and later moved to New York City. Topics may include but are not limited to the following issues: =80 New York School art and poetry in general =80 The relation of the Tulsa School to the New York School =80 Interplay of visual art and poetry =80 Poetics and popular culture =80 Role of place (Tulsa, NYC, etc) =80 Personal and/as political =80 Anthologies and archives =80 Readings of individual poems =80 Relevant historical contexts =80 Gender and the Tulsa School =80 Collaboration and Dissemination =80 Influence of =B3L=B9=E9cole de Tulsa=B2 =20 300-word proposals via email to by May 15, 2009. =20 =20 The conference will include keynote addresses, plenary sessions, concurrent panels, an exhibit from TU=B9s Special Collections, a Tulsa School Bus Tour o= f town, and more.=20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 16:05:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Julie Strand <25jnuts@GMAIL.COM> Subject: Events @ Woodland Pattern Book Center MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saturday, May 9, 11am-1pm WORKSHOP What's Your Local? with Elizabeth Willis = Saturday, May 9, 7pm FEATURED READING with Elizabeth Willis = Wednesday, May 13, 7pm PROSE SERIES READING with Anne-Marie Cusac = Friday, May 15, 7pm OPEN MIC & REDLETTER READING featuring Margaret Rozga = Sunday, May 17, 7pm ALTERNATING CURRENTS LIVE presents The Milwaukee Laptop Orchestra = Friday, May 22, 7pm BOOK RELEASE READING featuring Maurice Kilwein Guevara = Saturday, May 30, 12-4pm WORKSHOP Sense & Nonsense: A Poetry Workshop with Becca Klaver = Saturday, May 30, 7pm READING & SMALL PRESS FOCUS (Switchback Books) with Kathleen Rooney, Brandi Homan, Becca Klaver = Sunday, May 31, 7pm ALTERNATING CURRENTS LIVE presents Urs Leimgruber http://woodlandpattern.org/ -- Behind the storm of daily conflict and crisis, the dramatic confrontations, the tumult of political struggle, the poet, the artist, the musician, continues the quiet work of centuries, building bridges of experience between peoples, reminding man of the universality of his feelings and desires and despairs, and reminding him that the forces that unite are deeper than those that divide. -John F. Kennedy Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase. -Martin Luther King, Jr. To read some of my new work visit: www.caffeinedestiny.com/poetry/FALL2008/strand.html www.wombpoetry.com/skeins/strand.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 17:36:34 -0700 Reply-To: derek beaulieu Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: derek beaulieu Subject: call for work: speechless: concrete and visual poetry Comments: To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@invalid.domain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey folks; i'm making a limited edition magazine/ephemeral object entitled = "speechless" dedicated to the dissemination and discussion of concrete / = visual poetry. "speechless" will feature new visual poetry and possible historical / = rare examples ... the 1st issue (out now) includes 3 new concrete poets = here in calgary: eva gonzalez, rachelle pinnow and helen hajnoczky (and = an essay on mary ellen solt). i seek previously unpublished (or if published, then infrequently = seen...) colour or B&W concrete / visual poems. email or snail mail = submissions are fine. issues are not themed, but an issue on typewriter-based work is planned. each issue of "speechless" will be between 20 and 28 pages per issue and = will feature 3-4 poets -- the submission deadline is open (issues will = be published when enough accepted submissions accumulate), and i plan to = include both poetry and criticism. if you have any work for consideration, please send to: derek beaulieu 2 - 733 2nd avenue nw calgary alberta canada T2N 0E4 derek@housepress.ca http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/beaulieu/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:28:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Carol Novack Subject: MAY 8TH PERFORMANCE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Williamsburg Art and Historical Center=92s WAH Theater of the Performing Arts, and THE BROOKLYN PLAYWRIGHTS COLLECTIVE PRESENT: *THE WOMAN ARTIST=92S JOURNEY* *Women Forward: Celebrating Women=92s History Month, 2009* *_____________________________________________________________* A Festival of plays for the WOMAN FORWARD Art Exhibition 3 Weekends, 6 Performances! Friday and Saturday, May 8, 9, 15, 16, 22 and 23, 2009, *8PM* CURTAIN $10 tickets at box WAH CENTER BOX OFFICE ***** Williamsburg Art and Historical Center 135 Broadway, Brooklyn, New York 11211 _____ THE WOMAN ARTIST=92S JOURNEY PROGRAM *Stage Manager: Teresa Violet Cajigas* -*Friday May 8, HOSTED BY GUEST POET CAROL NOVACK * * * *-May 9th, 15th and 16th HOSTED BY GUEST POET MARGUERITE MARIA RIVAS* *A Visit with Grandma* By Philip Kaplan, Directed by Stephanie Walter Great Artists and their Family Encounters *Draw Me a Paper*. By Alaina Hammond. Directed by Peter Dizozza. A romantic contest comes to an end, for now. *NIN Unexpurgated*, By Allan Lefcowitz. Directed by Peter Dizozza. Two Greenwich Village scenes from Allan=92s Anais Nin Play *A Photo Play* By Maria Micheles. Directed by Marcus Haupt.. Dialogue and Body language at a Diane Arbus nudist colony photo session *Homespun Webs*. By C.J. Ehrlich. Directed by Lori Kee. Imagining Louise Bourgeois *Ballroom dancing music by The Steppe Dogges.*** *_____* * * *FOR FURTHER INFO, SEE WAH CENTER & BROOKLYN PLAYWRIGHTS COLLECTIVE * =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:43:29 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: Declaration MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i(')m peach blossoms On Sun, 3 May 2009 09:00:07 -0500 mIEKAL aND writes: > I hereby declare myself poet laureate of West Lima, Wisconsin. > Population 38. Submit any objections in writing to mayor within 90 > days. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 21:49:50 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: new publication from Chile MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i thought some people on the poetics list would find the below email from chile of interest. ja Dear friends: We've just launched number 0 of Revista Laboratorio, a journal from the Escuela de Literatura Creativa at the Universidad Diego Portales (Chile), whose main themes are experimental literature and the relationship between literature and other arts. We'd like you to know of this project and receive your comments. Best regards, Rodrigo Rojas y Felipe Cussen Directors of Revista Laboratorio http://www.revistalaboratorio.cl ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 00:23:58 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jill Chan Subject: Numinous: Spiritual Poetry, Issue 3 now online MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Numinous: Spiritual Poetry, Issue 3 now online Featuring new work by Tendai R. Mwanaka Annie Finch James Lineberger Peter Hughes Douglas Basford Peter Schwartz Ash Krafton Mary Belardi Erickson Jim Rioux http://numinousmagazine.wordpress.com Submissions open year-round Email: numinousmagazine@yahoo.com Thank you. J Chan editor ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 06:33:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Caroline Crumpacker Subject: House for Rent June In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit June 6 to 21: House with porch, front & back yard, three bedrooms, living room, dining room, office, AC, high speed Internet, TV/cable available June 6 to 21. Gardens in front and back, a comfortable porch with wicker chairs, and a spacious inside make it a lovely vacation house. In the Village of Rhinebeck and walking distance to restaurants, parks, stores. House is lived in by a five-year old whose toys and books are available if desired. Swings & slide, picnic table & barbeque in back yard. $500/wk including everything... ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 04:58:10 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: { brad brace } Subject: pleated plaid pamphlets In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ppp40 http://www.scribd.com/share/upload/11399415/2oicuzwow6blu0uq8rw0 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-40/7009847 ppp41 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-41/7011589 http://www.scribd.com/share/upload/11402203/vqqmxc1peusuilo07q9 ppp42 http://www.scribd.com/share/upload/11420119/1l9wr9aisb9x6ekk41d5 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-42/7021234 ppp43 http://www.scribd.com/doc/14885350/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-43 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-43/7025342 /:b ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 05:13:01 -0700 Reply-To: afieled@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Fieled Subject: PFS Post: K. Silem Mohammad & Lars Palm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out stunning new work from K. Silem Mohammad and Lars Palm on PFS Pos= t: =A0 http://www.artrecess.blogspot.com =A0 =A0 Also, many more posts into what will become IT (Internet Theory), a soon-to= -be Scantily Clad e-book: =A0 http://www.adamfieled.blogspot.com =A0 =A0=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 06:54:59 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: cultural producers invited. Comments: To: "ViewsNewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just kicked off a Facebook group, =E2=80=9CGo Gay (or Not) & Make a Mess = of the Mess We're=0AIn=E2=80=9D that now has four hundred plus members, gro= wing daily.=20 =0A =0AThe group began in response to Facebook's refusal to post=0Aan ad for a = lesbian flick (read the history in the topics discussions). It has now morp= hed=0Ainto a bastion of ways to open our cultural vat to evermore disarray= =0Aand identity crises.=20 =0A =0ABecause everyone should have the right to=0Alive as 'wrongly' as they wa= nna (so long as they don't hurt anybody or=0Athreaten others' rights to saf= ety, pursuit of happiness, making films,=0Awriting poetry, airbrushing phot= os, acting funny, etc).=20 =0A =0APlease=0Ajoin us for discussions of exactly how we can combat injustice = with=0Amere voices - even electronic ones - and dialogue-at-odds and evens.= =0ABecause if we don't talk and share freely, what would we have to say? =0A =0AThe group is located here: =0Ahttp://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=3D71799384711&ref=3Dmf =0A =0AThanks, =0A =0AAmy _______ =0A =0AAmy's Alias =0Ahttp://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:48:28 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Kyle Schlesinger Subject: Dorothea Lasky & Kristin Palm at the Poetry Project TONIGHT Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Tonight I'll have the pleasure of introducing Dorothea Lasky & Kristin Palm at the Poetry Project. Hope to see you there! Kyle Dorothea Lasky is the author of AWE (Wave Books, 2007) and Black Life (Wave Books, 2010). Her chapbooks include Tourmaline (Transmission Press, 2008), The Hatmaker=B9s Wife (Braincase Press, 2006), Art (H_NGM_N Press, 2006), and Alphabets and Portraits (Anchorite Press, 2005). She has been educated at Washington University, University of Massachusetts-Amherst, and Harvard University. Currently, she studies creativity and education at the University of Pennsylvania. Kristin Palm grew up in Mt. Pleasant, Michigan, and lived in Detroit for many years. She currently resides in San Francisco, California. Her writing has appeared in LVNG, Bird Dog, Boog City, Chain, There, Dusie and the anthology Bay Poetics (Faux Press, 2006), as well as numerous magazines and newspapers, including Metropolis, Planning and the Detroit Metro Times. More details at: http://poetryproject.org/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:57:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sharon Mesmer/David Borchart Subject: Plan B cat sitter needed In-Reply-To: <20090503.204330.1668.12.skyplums@juno.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Greetings, everyone, I'm looking for someone to live in my apartment (Park Slope, Brooklyn) and care for my cat, Tyger, from June 11 - 17 while my husband and I are in Romania. The cat sitter I already have lined up may need to leave town on short notice around that time, but I'll be able to let you know for sure around the first week of June (maybe even earlier). Tyger needs no meds, has no health issues, is fairly low-maintenance, but requires a friendly, mindful presence. Please b/ c me -- shardav@verizon.net -- to discuss. With good thoughts, Sharon Mesmer ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:27:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: House for Rent June In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed In what quadrant of North America is this Rhinebeck? gb On May 4, 2009, at 3:33 AM, Caroline Crumpacker wrote: > June 6 to 21: > > House with porch, front & back yard, three bedrooms, living room, > dining room, office, AC, high speed Internet, TV/cable available > June 6 to 21. > > Gardens in front and back, a comfortable porch with wicker chairs, > and a spacious inside make it a lovely vacation house. In the > Village of Rhinebeck and walking distance to restaurants, parks, > stores. House is lived in by a five-year old whose toys and books > are available if desired. Swings & slide, picnic table & barbeque > in back yard. > > $500/wk including everything... > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html George Bowering Lost among the signifiers. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:16:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tim Peterson Subject: SEGUE 5/9: erica kaufman & Joan Retallack Comments: To: POETICS-L@gc.listserv.cuny.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *The Segue Reading Series Presents* *ERICA KAUFMAN & JOAN RETALLACK* Saturday, May 9, 2009 ** 4PM SHARP** at the Bowery Poetry Club (308 Bowery, just north of Houston) $6 admission goes to support the readers Hosted by Kristen Gallagher and Tim Peterson *erica kaufman* is the author of several chapbooks including *Civilization Day* and several installations of *Censory Impulse*, her book-length poem, which was published by Factory School/Heretical Texts in January. She co-curates and co-edits Belladonna/Belladonna Books and lives in Brooklyn. *Joan Retallack*=92s most recent publication is her *Gertrude Stein: Selections* with an extensive introduction/discussion of Stein=92s work, brought out by University of California Press. She is the author of seven volumes of poetry including *Errata 5uite*, which won the Columbia Book Award chosen by Robert Creeley. A collection of Retallack=92s procedural po= ems is forthcoming from Roof Books. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 14:32:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Kelleher Subject: Literary Buffalo Newsletter 05.04.09-05.10.09 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII LITERARY BUFFALO 05.04.09-05.10.09 BABEL 2009-2010 SEASON SUBSCRIPTIONS ON SALE NOW=21 Scroll down for details Note to subscribers: We will send out a confirmation regarding your purchas= e after we have processed all of the early bird subscriptions. We intend t= o send out the confirmation no later than 5/22. Please be patient. If you = placed an order, you WILL receive confirmation in May and your tickets WILL= be mailed in September. EVENTS THIS WEEK Visit the Literary Buffalo calendar at www.justbuffalo.org for more detaile= d info on these events. All events free and open to the public unless other= wise noted. 05.05.09 Talking Leaves...Books John Wray Reading and signing for Lowboy Tuesday, May 5, 7 PM Hallwalls Cinema, 341 Delaware Avenue =40 Tupper 05.06.09 Rooftop Poetry Club at Buffalo State College April Showers and May Flowers:Spring-Themed Open Mic Wednesday, May 6, 4:30 PM E.H. Butler Library, International Student Reading Area 3rd Floor, SE Quadrant 05.06.09 Just Buffalo/Center For Inquiry Tom Waters, Jefferson Finlayson, Christina Wos Donnelly Poetry Reading Wednesday, May 6, 7:30 PM Center For Inquiry, 1310 Sweet Home Road, Amherst 05.09.09 Talking Leaves...Books Peggy Brooks-Bertram and Barbara Never Gold Talk and signing for Go, Tell Michelle Saturday, May 9, 2 PM Talking Leaves...Books, 3158 Main St. __________________________________________________________________________= BABEL 2009-10 SUBSCRIPTIONS ON SALE NOW. October 9, A.S. Byatt November 20, Ha Jin March 5, Azar Nafisi April 16, Salman Rushdie Previous Subscriber: =2485 New Subscriber: =24110 These subscriptions include general admission seating at all 4 events. Patron: =24275 Patron Pair: =24450 Patron level subscriptions include VIP reserved seating and admission to al= l pre-event author receptions. Purchase subscriptions now at http://www.justbuffalo.org/babel or by phone = at 716.832.5400. __________________________________________________________________________= WRITER CRITIQUE GROUP The member writer critique group is back on a new night: 1st and 3rd Tuesda= ys at the Market Arcade. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:50:05 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Obododimma Oha Subject: Re: Declaration In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's consult your poems first.-- Obododimma. On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 7:00 AM, mIEKAL aND wrote: > I hereby declare myself poet laureate of West Lima, Wisconsin. Population > 38. Submit any objections in writing to mayor within 90 days. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:22:28 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Small Press Traffic Subject: THIS FRIDAY: STECOPOULOS and ZURAWSKI in OAKLAND MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Join us this Friday, May 8, 2009 at 7:30 p.m. for this exciting night! Please note the change of venue to the CCA Oakland Campus Nahl Hall 5212 Broadway in Oakland Eleni Stecopoulos's first book, Armies of Compassion, is forthcoming from Palm Press. The recipient of a Creative Work Fund grant for 2008-2010, she will curate a program series titled The Poetics of Healing: Creative Investigations in Art, Medicine, and Somatic Practice for The Poetry Center at San Francisco State University, and write a book in response. She is currently at work on Earth Also is a Private Language, a book-length poem that takes place via the island of Evvia (Euboea): its geothermal springs and hydrotherapy traditions, mythology, and family stories from the island. Magdelena Zurawski was born in Newark NJ and grew up in Edison NJ, but Providence RI feels like home because that's where she started writing and meeting writers and thinking of herself as a writer. Currently, she lives in Durham, NC, where she is studying 19th-century American literature at Duke. The Bruise, out now from Fiction Collective Two, is the winner of the 2006 Ronald Sukenick prize for innovative fiction. It is her first book. -- Samantha Giles Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center sptraffic.org smallpresstraffic.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 18:34:49 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Sarai Subject: Re: Declaration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain you mean wEST lIMA? does 38 include the pollen count?=20=20 >>>>>>>> I hereby declare myself poet laureate of West Lima, Wisconsin.=20=20 Population 38. Submit any objections in writing to mayor within 90 days. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 23:41:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: animated tweet reader Comments: To: Theory and Writing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) http://visibletweets.com/#query=%23micropoetry&animation=1 =!= Data Visualization for the Synaptically Inspired http://filevillage.info ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:42:01 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Skinner Subject: "Put off" by Poetry Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Tolkien breaks silence over JRR's 'fierce, passionate' poem JRR Tolkien's son Christopher admits the poetic form of his father's latest book, Sigurd and Gudr=FAn, may 'put off' many Lord of the Rings fans Alison Flood guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 5 May 2009 09.48 BST larger | smaller JRR Tolkien in 1973. Photograph: Reuters The reclusive son of JRR Tolkien has broken his silence to admit fears that fans of his father's work may be "put off" by the verse form of his latest posthumous publication. Responding via fax to a series of questions about The Legend of Sigurd and Gudr=FAn, published for the first time today, Christopher Tolkien expressed the hope that it would show a different side to the author of the much-loved classic The Lord of the Rings. The 500-stanza poem is closely modelled on the Elder Edda, a collection of Norse myths preserved in a 13th-century manuscript, a pedigree Christopher Tolkien described as "unknown territory" for most people. "I dare say that a good many will be instantly put off by the very idea of 'long narrative poems in verse' and pursue it no further," he said. It was equally possible that their form will lend them an "unexpected impact," he continued. "My hope is that some of those who appreciate and admire the works of my father will find it illuminating in respect of Old Norse poetry in general, in his own treatment of the fierce, passionate and mysterious legend, and i= n this further and little known aspect of him as both philologist and poet. Above all I hope they will take pleasure in this poetry." Christopher Tolkien, who as a child was paid two pence by his father for every mistake he could find in The Hobbit, and as an RAF pilot during the war contributed suggestions to the progress of The Lord of the Rings, worke= d from a manuscript which he believes his father wrote in the early 1930s. JR= R Tolkien taught Old Norse alongside Anglo-Saxon at Oxford university, giving lectures and classes on Norse language and literature for at least 13 years= . Telling in verse the story of Sigurd the V=F6lsung and the fall of the Niflungs =AD also adapted by Wagner into the Ring cycle =AD The Legend of Sigur= d and Gudr=FAn sees the hero Sigurd kill the dragon Fafnir (a slaying which may have influenced Tolkien's writing of Bilbo's encounter with Smaug in The Hobbit), take his gold and rescue the Valkyrie Brynhild from her imprisonment on a rock surrounded by fire. Love, magic, jealousy, and, eventually, tragedy in the murder of Sigurd and the suicide of Brynhild ensue. "My father left one manuscript, and that was complete; there were no more than a few pages of earlier writings, and all other drafting has disappeared. The manuscript is in good clear handwriting, written out without corrections, and obviously intended to be a final fair copy. A few minor changes were made to it much later," said Tolkien, who was appointed as his father's literary executor and has over the past 36 years devoted himself to editing and publishing his father's unpublished works, including The Silmarillion and a 12-volume History of Middle-Earth. "My 'editing' consists very largely of explanation and clarification." Tolkien, 84, has lived in France since 1975, where wild rumours have suggested that he guards his property from obsessive fans of his father's work with a wild boar =AD a canard he dismissed as nonsense. "In the full for= m of the story I keep not one, but a whole troop of wild boars, expressly in order to chase off Tolkien fans who are imagined to lurk in the woods that surround my house," he said. "There are indeed many wild boars in these parts, but I don't think they would be at all suitable as guardians even if I wanted them." Two years ago Tolkien completed and published his father's unfinished tale of Middle-Earth The Children of H=FArin, which went on to sell more than 1m copies in English. Speculating about what his father, who died in 1973 aged 81, would have mad= e of his immense popularity today =AD over 150m copies of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings have sold worldwide =AD Tolkien said he "might have been in turns delighted, charmed, amused, puzzled, disquieted, baffled, indignant, but, finally, comprehensively astounded". Read the full exchange of questions and answers guardian.co.uk =A9 Guardian News and Media Limited 2009 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:29:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Holly Crawford Subject: Re: Performances of Richard Kostelanetz's Openings at AC in NYC Thursday In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AC [ Institute Direct Chapel ] Presents on the 3rd Anniversary of the Work's Premiere: Thursday, May 7th between 6-8pm Openings Richard Kostelanetz (2006) With Featured Performers: Laura Barger Holly Crawford Margaret Lancaster Paige Taggart Trio: Robert Dick, Joshue Ott and Morgan Packard The AC [ Institute Direct Chapel ] continues in its performance series offering a program of a sole work-though presented in a fashion that is decidedly not solitary. With Richard Kostelanetz's score Openings as our starting point, we traverse discipline and media offering a glimpse into the infinitely mutable possibilities of his work. What depth Kostelanetz's work offers, in turn also reveals much about the reader, the interpreter, the performer. As such we are pleased to present 5 multi-faceted "versions" of this work highlighting the following performers in their unique renderings and also inherent collaboration with the score: Laura Barger; Holly Crawford; Margaret Lancaster; Paige Taggart; and Trio: Robert Dick, Joshue Ott and Morgan Packard. Curated by Sonya Hofer, AC Fellow. This event is FREE and open to the public. AC's mission is to advance the understanding of art through investigation, research and education. It is a lab and forum for experimentation and critical discussion. We support and develop projects that explore a performative exchange across visual, verbal and experiential disciplines. We encourage critical writing that challenges conventional expectations of meaning and objectivity as well as the boundaries between the rational and subjective. Gallery Hours: Wednesday - Saturday: 1-6pm, Thursday: 1-8pm 547 W. 27th St, 5th Floor, New York, NY 10001 www.artcurrents.org / info@artcurrents.org Art Currents is a non-profit 501(c)3 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:17:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Elizabeth Lyman Subject: JUST BUFFALO/UB POETRY COLLECTION SPECIAL EVENT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 THE GEMS OF THE POETRY COLLECTION: TOUR AND RECEPTION AT THE UB POETRY COLLECTION THURSDAY, MAY 7, 5:30-7:00 PM UNIVERSITY AT BUFFALO, 420 CAPEN HALL, NORTH CAMPUS DID YOU KNOW THAT UB HAS ONE OF THE MOST EXTENSIVE COLLECTIONS OF 20TH CENT= URY POETRY MANUSCRIPTS AND FIRST EDITIONS IN NORTH AMERICA? =C2=A0 Join Just Buffalo and the UB Poetry Collection for an evening tour of the c= ollection. Curator Michael Basinski will relate the history, the scope, the sacred and= the profane aspects of the UB Poetry Collection.=C2=A0 An exhibition will = be on view featuring the study of French history and culture at UB.=C2=A0 B= asinski promises that this event will be =E2=80=9Can elaborate show and tel= l with lots of wonderful things to see and talk about. For the poetry and/o= r book lover, satisfaction is guaranteed.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 Refreshments provided.=C2=A0 Free for Just Buffalo Members and Babel Subscr= ibers; =2410 for guests.=C2=A0 Please RSVP by emailing lyman=40justbuffalo.org or calling 716-832-5400.= =C2=A0 Or Just Show Up=21 THE UB POETRY COLLECTION is located on the North Campus in Amherst on the f= ourth floor of the undergraduate library in Capen Hall. Parking is free and= available after 4 p.m. in the Hochstetter lot. ___________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE If you would like to unsubscribe from this list, just say so and you will i= mmediately be removed. _______________________________ Elizabeth Lyman Development Associate Just Buffalo Literary Center Market Arcade 617 Main St., Ste. 202A Buffalo, NY 14203 716.832.5400 716.270.0184 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:52:47 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Declaration In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Obododimma: You are absolutely correct. My laurels as poet laureate should be based on material text production. I have started to consider all the options of what a poem of West Lima will encompass. So far I'm thinking horse & buggies, rednecks & budweiser, lawn mowers, church bells, more church bells, visible night sky, snow, more snow, drunk teenagers driving recklessly, absence of books, burning trash barrels, excessively fertile soil, 100 year old buildings in disrepair, & cars parked with keys still in the ignition. ~mIEKAL ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:06:16 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: animated tweet reader In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit wonderful--the whole concept makes me pay attention to every aspect On 5/5/09 12:41 AM, "mIEKAL aND" wrote: > http://visibletweets.com/#query=%23micropoetry&animation=1 > > > > =!= > Data Visualization for the Synaptically Inspired > http://filevillage.info > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:52:47 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: aaron tieger Subject: ROSELAND by Dana Ward MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On behalf of Editions Louis Wain: Editions Louis Wain is pleased to announce the availability of a new chapbo= ok: =A0 Roseland=0Aby Dana Ward=0A10 pgs, saddle-stapled=0A$4=0A=A0=0AFor a sample = from this book, and to purchase it through Paypal, please visit the site: http://editionslouiswain.com/books/ =0A=A0=0A=A0=0AAlso available from Edit= ions Louis Wain:=0A- Necco Face by Michael Carr, Jess Mynes, & Aaron Tieger= =0A- The Collected Typos of Aaron Tieger=0A=A0=0A*Special Offer*=A0-- get a= ll three publications for $14, see the above link for details. Aaron Tieger for ELW =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:06:15 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: A Northern Ireland poet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _______________ ALONE IN THE BACK CAF=C9, a new chapbook by Paul Murphy, has been published by Survivors' Poetry in London, England. The chapbook was funded and sponsored by the Esm=E9e Fairbairn Foundation. Paul Murphy was born in Belfast, Northern Ireland in 1965. He studied at the University of Warwick, gaining a B.A. in Film and Literature. From there he went to Queen=92s University in Belfast to study for an M.A. on T.S.Eliot and the French philosopher Jacques Lacan. Murphy has been writer-in-residence at the Albert-Ludwig Universitat, Freiburg im Breisgau, in Baden-Wurtemburg, in Germany. He also writes philosophy and enjoys working on the interface between poetry and philosophy. Paul Murphy's previous book, IN THE LUXEMBOURG GARDENS, was published by the University of Salzburg Press, in Salzburg, Austria. Also, Murphy's book T.S. ELIOT'S POSTMODERNIST COMPLAINT was published by Postpressed in Australia (www.postpressed.com.au). Paul Murphy has read from his work in Paris, Cambridge, Galway and Belfast. He is at the moment writing an oral history of the Black Forest. The cost of Paul Murphy's ALONE IN THE BACK CAF=C9 is =A34.00 (or $8.00) and may be ordered from Survivors' Poetry at http://survivorspoetry.com/SP_Shop/index.php?productID=3D141 ... or directly by postal mail to Survivors=92 Poetry, Studio 11, Bickerton House, 25-27 Bickerton Road, Archway, London, England, N19 5JT Survivors=92 Poetry, a British non-profit established in 1991, promotes the writing of survivors of traumatic distress. Survivors' Poetry is in a unique position to act on its vision of a society in which survivors can work towards emotional and mental stability through the discipline and truth to self that is a prerequisite for the imaginative expression in language of traumatic experiences. Survivors=92 Poetry actively supports and promotes the sheer linguistic talent that many survivors bring to their insight into their own condition and that of others. Respectfully, S=E9amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com http://www.mnartists.org/Seamas_Cain _______________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:56:56 -0700 Reply-To: steph484@pacbell.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Obama, The Exhibit - Some documentation Comments: To: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" , UK POETRY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The First 100 Days of Obama http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ On my blog, I have just put up some photo documentation and a brief account= of the Gallery show and simultaneous book publication - 200 pages which in= clude the entire haptic drawings and texts. The event was also a "performan= ce piece" in that I was in the Gallery from 11 until 8 in the evening while= I made drawings and texts for the 100th day for the initial limited editio= n of 25 copies. (Another 75 copies will be soon printed to include the form= al text and drawing for the 100th day). The Gallery will take orders for ei= ther edition. There are 10 copies remaining of the limited.=A0 Yes, 'the dr= awing arm' began to swell like a baseball pitcher!=A0 And it was a great, f= un day.=20 If interested, the blog permits going backwards in time to visit previous h= aptics and texts.=20 As always, appreciate your responses. Stephen V http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 21:32:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Angela Vasquez-Giroux Subject: craig arnold MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/05/japan.missing.professor/index.html?eref=rss_latest ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 23:06:43 -0700 Reply-To: storagebag001@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alexander Jorgensen Subject: Visual Poetry - Kalachakra: Ritual of a Dying Nation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Something new at Otoliths, dedicated to friend Kathup Tsering, a poet who i= s currently residing in a refugee center in Central Europe.=A0It took month= s to complete this piece.=A0I sincerely hope you enjoy. =A0 http://the-otolith.blogspot.com/2009/04/alexander-jorgensen-kalachakra-ritu= al.html =A0 Humble regards, Alex =A0=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 20:56:23 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christophe Casamassima Subject: New Titles from Furniture Press Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 After a long, cruell month of readings and performances at the Towson ARTS = Collective, I'm ready to unveil the new Furniture Press catalogue.=20 New titles available immediately Xenia, Natalie Knight. 34pp. Handbound in BFK w/ ink printed covers. $10 Cocktail, Catherine Daly. 16pp. Handbound in Arches w/ ink printed covers. = $8 Exequey, Elizabeth Robinson. 10pp. Handbound in Arches w/ ink printed cover= s. $8 Titles in production The Found Titles Project, Mark Ducharme. 50pp directions for flying: right side lower arm raise arm bend knees repeat on = left, Emily Carr. 26pp. Cur-rent\ly\, Elizabeth Switaj. 18pp. The Abandoned Poems, Barry Schwabsky. 12pp Molloy: The Flip Side, Chris Tysh. 49pp. Aquinas & the Mississippi, William Allegrezza & Garin Cycholl. 26pp. tba, Cathleen Miller tba, M. Magnus Please contact me via cacasama@towson.edu - I use this eMail only for annou= ncements! To order, state the titles, quantity and total. I will pick up the shipping= . Send checks, made out to Furniture Press, to 2026 Druid Park Drive, Balti= more, MD 21211 Check out appropriateintertext.wordpress.com for our back catalogue and oth= er announcements... Christophe Casamassima --=20 Powered By Outblaze =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 07:18:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Comments: RFC822 error: Invalid RFC822 field - "Peter". Rest of header flushed. From: aaron tieger Subject: Gizzi/Larsen in Cambridge, MA Saturday 5/9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Mother of all Poetry Readings=0APeter=0AGizzi. Dave Larsen. These poets= are two tough muthas. Don=E2=80=99t send =E2=80=98em=0Aflowers. Don=E2=80= =99t buy =E2=80=98em chocolate. Come hear their poems. This Saturday.=0A=0A= OutPost 186=0A186 =C2=BD Hampshire St. Cambridge (brown building behind 7-1= 1 =E2=80=93 Inman Sq)=0A=0A3PM=0APeter Gizzi is the author of The Outernati= onale, Some Values of Landscape and Weather, Artificial Heart, and Periplum= and other poems 1987-1992. His editing projects have included o=E2=80=A2bl= =C3=A9k: a journal of language arts, The House That Jack Built: The Collect= ed Lectures of Jack Spicer and My Vocabulary Did This to Me: The Collected = Poetry of Jack Spicer (co-edited with Kevin Killian). He is currently the p= oetry editor for The Nation. He teaches at the University of Massachusetts,= Amherst. =0A Newly relocated from San Francisco's Bay Area, David Larsen is pursuing a c= areer in postgraduate studies at Yale. He is author of The Thorn (Faux, 200= 5), and translator of Names of the Lion=0Aby Abu Abd Allah ibn Khalawayh (A= tticus/Finch, 2009). During the St.=0AMark's Poetry Project Newsletter's 19= 99-2000 run he provided cover art,=0Aand inner graphic thingies. From 2005-= 2007 he was co-curator of the New=0AYipes reading/video series at Oakland's= 21 Grand.=0A Aaron Tieger for the Unaffiliated Reading Series http://bostonpoetry.blogspot.com "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate." (Brian Eno) =0A =0A"Without people you're nothing" (Joe Strummer)=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:40:42 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Allegrezza Subject: Series A: Tonight, May 6th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't forget to come tonight to Series A at the Hyde Park Art Center in Chicago. The reading takes place from 7-8. The HPAC is at 5020 S. Cornell. Parking is easy, and it's easy to get to on public transportation. BYOB. Kristina Marie Darling Kristina Marie Darling is an M.A. candidate at Washington University, where she completed an undergraduate degree in English in 2007. She has published seven small press collections of poetry and nonfiction, among them Fevers and Clocks (March Street Press, 2006), The Traffic in Women (Dancing Girl Press, 2006), and Night Music (BlazeVOX Books, 2008). She has also written on contemporary poetics for The Boston Review, New Letters, The Mid-American Review, Third Coast, The Warwick Review, Smartish Pace, and other journals. Her creative work has been supported by residencies from the Centrum Foundation, Rockmirth, Writers and Books, DRAW International, and the Mary Anderson Center for the Arts. Naomi Buck Palagi Naomi Buck Palagi has made her way to Northwest Indiana via many stops, including a "homesteader" childhood in rural Kentucky, complete with goats and lots of bare feet, some years in the Mississippi Delta as, among other things, a furniture maker and ballet teacher, and several years in Chicago doing the small theater rounds as an actor and director. She enjoys shaping tangible things=97wood, fabric, sound, words. She has work published or upcoming in the journals Otoliths, Big Toe Review, Moria, P.F.S. Post, and Blue Fifth Review, among others. Bill Allegrezza www.moriapoetry.com/seriesa.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:51:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ken Chen Subject: Ha Jin tonight! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HOST COMMITTEE Julie Azuma, Curtis Chin, Jennifer Hayashida, Joyce Moy, Steven Newmark, Martha Rhodes, Sia Shin, Noah Smith, Ting Wang, Joel Whitney, Terrence Yang and Monica Youn invites you to a benefit in support of The Asian American Writers=92 Worksh= op *** ** *A Night with Award-Winning Author Ha Jin* Wednesday, May 6 6:30pm to 9:00pm Reading and Cocktail Reception $45 admission (includes free membership) $25 for members Home of Virginia Davies and Willard Taylor 299 West 12th Street #PHA (off 8th Avenue) Tickets can be purchased at the following link or by calling (212) 494-0061 aaww.org/hajin Please join us for an intimate evening on Wednesday, May 6th from 6:30pm to 9:00pm with writer *Ha Jin, *winner of the National Book Award and the PEN/Faulkner Award for Fiction. The Workshop is proud to welcome Jin and to present the public with a rare opportunity to meet the author at a classic West Village penthouse with wraparound terrace that has hosted Barack Obama= , Bill Clinton and Yo-Yo Ma. This special event focuses on Jin's newest book, *Writer as Migrant*, published by the University of Chicago Press. In his first work of nonfiction, Jin writes three interconnected essays and tackles issues relating to being a migrant writer. The San Francisco Chronicle finds that "Though the issues are weighty, Jin's prose is straightforward and welcoming. . . . In this poignant and provocative book, Jin takes us on thi= s journey [to our envisioned homelands], revealing paths laid by migrant writers before him and perhaps by those who will follow." *Ha Jin* is the critically renowned author of five novels, including, * Waiting* and *War Trash*,* *as well as three collections of short stories and three books of poetry. His short story collection *The Bridegroom** *wo= n the Asian American Literary Award. He currently teaches literature at Bosto= n University. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 19:11:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Robin Blaser (1925-2009) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Robin Blaser died this morning. <> >>>> ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:43:09 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: joseph bradshaw Subject: Beverly Dahlen & David Abel, Portland 5-10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Spare Room presents Beverly Dahlen David Abel Sunday, May 10 7:30 pm Concordia Coffee House 2909 NE Alberta $5.00 suggested donation www.flim.com/spareroom spareroom@flim.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Upcoming Readings May 17: Andrew Schelling & music by Michael Stirling June 4: Jim McCrary & James Yeary June 14: Anne Gorrick & Deborah Woodard July tba: Jennifer Bartlett & Sarah Mangold July 12: Farrah Field & Jared White August tba: Norma Cole & Lindsay Hill August 16: Graham Foust & Eric Baus =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Beverly Dahlen was born in Portland in November, 1934, attended public schools there, and after the end of World War II, moved with her family to Eureka, California. In 1956, she resettled in San Francisco. Her first collection of poetry, Out of the Third, was published by Momo=92s Press in 1974. Two chapbooks, A Letter at Easter (Effie=92s Press) and The Egyptian Poems (Hipparchia Press) were followed in 1985 by the publication of A Reading 1-7 (Momo=92s Press). Since then, three more volumes of A Reading have appeared, as well as the chapbook A-reading Spicer & Eighteen Sonnets (Chax Press). Her essay =93Beauty: Another Reading=94 recently appeared in Crayon 5. Ms. Dahlen was a co-founder, with Kathleen Fraser and Frances Jaffer, of the feminist poetics newsletter (HOW)ever; in December of 2008 her work was honored by Small Press Traffic with their Lifetime Achievement Award. David Abel was born in Salt Lake City in November, 1956, and schooled there and in South Florida, Eastern California, the Mid-Hudson Valley, and the Rio Grande Valley. After tenures in New York City and Albuquerque (where he established the Bridge Bookshop, and Passages Bookshop & Gallery, respectively), he relocated to Portland in 1997. He is the author of numerous artists's books and objects -- including Rose, Selected Durations, and Threnos (with Katherine Kuehn), and Let Us Repair and While You Were In (with Anna & Leo Daedalus) -- and several chapbooks, including Black Valentine (Chax) and Twenty- (Crane's Bill). His most recent chapbook, Commonly, will premiere at this reading, along with two new issues (one for each reader) of the broadside journal Envelope, which he edits. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:57:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Margaret Konkol Subject: a place to stay in Philly for a few nights in June? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of a place to stay in Philadelphia for a few nights in the third week of June? I'm traveling down there for research at the Rosenbach Museum and am hoping to find a couch/cheap place to stay. Any suggestions warmly welcomed! Best and everything, Margaret Konkol mekonkol@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:17:09 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Obododimma Oha Subject: Re: Declaration In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Certainly the way to go. Seen and unseens. Some sweeping. Some excavation: an archeology of things felt only. So, remove the halters from the necks of th rearing questions. -- Obododimma. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 7:52 AM, mIEKAL aND wrote: > Obododimma: > > You are absolutely correct. My laurels as poet laureate should be > based on material text production. I have started to consider all the > options of what a poem of West Lima will encompass. So far I'm > thinking horse & buggies, rednecks & budweiser, lawn mowers, church > bells, more church bells, visible night sky, snow, more snow, drunk > teenagers driving recklessly, absence of books, burning trash barrels, > excessively fertile soil, 100 year old buildings in disrepair, & cars > parked with keys still in the ignition. > > ~mIEKAL > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 04:00:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Obododimma Oha Subject: Re: animated tweet reader In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit amazing hypertext. -- Obododimma. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:41 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote: > http://visibletweets.com/#query=%23micropoetry&animation=1 > > > > =!= > Data Visualization for the Synaptically Inspired > http://filevillage.info > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 18:58:20 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Peter Subject: Fogged Clarity Comments: To: wryting-l@listserv.wvu.edu, "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Really interesting work here...New issue available - Fogged Clarity http://foggedclarity.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:50:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joanna Fuhrman Subject: Zinc Bar 5/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Anne Tardos and = Adeena Karasick = = http://www.adeenakarasick.com/ http://www.annetardos.com/ = will read at the (New) Zinc Bar 82 West 3rd Street = between Thompson and Sullivan Greenwich Village New York NY 10012 212-477-ZINC = Sunday, May 10, 2009 at 6:30 pm = = Upcoming Readings = May 17th = Jordan Davis & Chris Nealon & George Stanley May 24th Group Reading : You and I Will Both Be Fine Lauren Russell Eve Bois Vanessa Hope Schneider Kate Hall Lutzner Gina Inzunza = Christine Hamm May 31 Chris Martin & Frank Lima June 7th David Shapiro & Guest ------------------------------------------------------------ Oriental Rug Turn any room into a work of art. Click now for beautiful oriental rugs! http://tagline.excite.com/fc/FgElN1gwrdImN3wlAeVm10Ha0M9nG4Nd7auAbWtE51HBPJV= E3eoupMfNVq4/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:13:17 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Josef Kaplan Subject: Poetry by Fiat in NYC In-Reply-To: <706d0fec0905060638v17ad4cd4t82ef6dc3aff39241@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This Saturday, May 9th: Poetry by Fiat 8PM Buzzeo Building Gallery in Queens, NY 31-16 36th Ave. N to 36th Ave. FREE poetry. FREE alcohol. Readings by: + *Gordon Faylor* * * Gordon Faylor presently serves as the co-editor of mid)rib, an e-zine for contemporary poetics. He is the author of several chapbooks, including *Tremblies*, a collaboration with Eddie Hopely. Some of his work has appeared in Other Clutter and To The Tune Of Ignu In The Key Of C; more is forthcoming from Model Homes, NoD magazine, Sustainable Aircraft and VN= R Records. + *Diana Sue Hamilton* Diana Sue Hamilton co-coordinated the Friday Night Series at the Poetry Project for the 08/09 season. Her essay on Kim Rosenfield's *re: evolution*appears in the book (Les Figues Press , 2009), and her poetr= y can be found at mid)rib , forcefulfriendlyactivity.blogspot.com, and The Portable Boog Reader 3 . +* Eddie Hopely* * * Eddie Hopely is the author of self-published and freely distributed poem-books (=93poemtrees+squashy=94) such as *Rabbit on their way to the Ca= pital *, *ShiT preasure*, and *What's There*. He co-authored *Tremblies*, a book for two readers, with J. Gordon Faylor, and his work has appeared in publications such as Filling Station , They Are Flying Planes, mid)rib and To The Tune of Ignu In The Key Of C. He is hoping all love works out for all animals. * * +* Douglas Piccinnini* * * Douglas Piccinnini's poetry and criticism have most recently appeared or will be forthcoming in Lana Turner: A Journal of Poetry and Opinion, elimae , Scapegoat Review, Verse , and Jacketmagazine. He has been awarded residencies by the Vermont Studio Center in Johnson, VT and Art Farm in Marquette, NE. He currently lives and works in Brooklyn, NY and curates the reading series CROWD . * * +* Nicole Wallace* Nicole Wallace edits and assembles In The Key Of C Magazine in a cave and co-coordinates the Friday Night Series at the Poetry Project with Diana Hamilton. + *Sara Wintz* Sara Wintz=92s writing has appeared on Ceptuetics, Cricket Online Review , and in her chapbook *Lipstick Traces*. She co-directs :the press gang:with Cristiana Baik. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:21:47 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: language toys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.amdhamburg.de/doerk/toolkit/ has links to several interesting language toys ja http://vispo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:35:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Dan Godston Subject: Mingus Awareness Project 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, You are cordially invited to attend Mingus Awareness Project 3. Cheers, Dan On Thursday, May 7th, a group of musicians will gather at The Hideout to celebrate the life and music of Charles Mingus, and to benefit the Les Turner ALS Foundation. Mingus, an American musical hero who died of ALS, is one of the greatest figures in jazz history. His bass playing, compositions and philosophy have transcended his genre and left indelible marks on music history. Justin Dillard -- solo piano Sue Mingus talks about the Jazz Workshop, Inc., and she reads an excerpt from her memoir "Tonight at Noon" (via Skype). MAPtet performs music by Charles Mingus, Duke Ellington, Rahsaan Roland Kirk, and Eric Dolphy Rich Corpolongo -- saxophones Saalik Ziyad -- vocals Paul Hartsaw -- tenor saxophone Dan Godston -- trumpet Nick Moran -- baritone saxophone and bass clarinet Norman Palm -- trombone Jon Godston -- soprano saxophone Jerry Coleman -- drums Alex Wing -- upright bass The Hideout 1354 W. Wabansia Chicago, IL 60622 9 p.m. start time, doors open at 8 p.m. $12 / $10 for students http://www.mingusawarenessproject.org http://www.hideoutchicago.com http://www.mingusmingusmingus.com http://www.myspace.com/mingusawarenessproject ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:57:23 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Obododimma Oha Subject: Fwd: To Fogged Clarity Contributors Comments: To: elsalites@yahoogroups.com, ederi , USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <7a492c3d0905020845w254fc331lff0a97b987a926aa@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, the May issue is up and fantastic at www.foggedclarity.com. So we have now been doing this for one third of one year. Thousands upon thousands of people have viewed your work, and thanks to poet Michael Tyrell *Fogged Clarity* just got its first mention in the *New York Times*. That being said, it is game time this month; a true opportunity to proliferate beauty and establish the clarity as one of the finest comprehensive arts reviews in the country. You are all wonderfully talented individuals with extensive networks throughout the artistic community.I urge you to keep help us spreading the word in any way you can: link us on your sites and social media, tell your students, your friends and lovers. Last month we had 11,000 unique visitors, this month I would like to make it an even 20. Let's keep making things happen, lets keep celebrating our brief stints of stimulus with ventilation. Cheers my friends Also, my apologies if you recieve a couple more emails from me on the email blasts. -- Executive Editor, "Fogged Clarity" www.foggedclarity.com Ben Evans -- Obododimma Oha http://udude.wordpress.com/ Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604; +234 808 264 8060. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:02:14 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jerome Rothenberg Subject: "total translation" redux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't as a rule call attention to writings about my own works, though = the temptation is always there. But there's a very detailed, very = accurate piece just posted on the Poetry Foundation web site - a = discussion of my experiments from some years ago with "total = translation" and in particular a series of compositions that began as = translations from Navajo ritual poetry. The piece is by David Noriega = and titled "The Original Performance Poetry: Jerome Rothenberg's 'total = translations' of Navajo Horse Songs" - accompanied by clips of some = early multi-track studio recordings. The URL, for any who want to track = it down, is = http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/article.html?id=3D236556. The work of course goes back to the early 1970s, so it's my pleasure too = to see it still in circulation. Jerome Rothenberg "Language is Delphi." 1026 San Abella --Novalis Encinitas, CA 92024 jrothenberg at cox.net Blog at poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:19:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Doug Holder Subject: Boston Area Small Press and Poetry Scene : The Red Line by Elizabeth Kirschner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Boston Area Small Press and Poetry Scene=20 Thursday, May 07, 2009 The Red Line by Elizabeth Kirschner =20 * I will be doing a reading with Elizabeth Kirschner in the fall.---Doug = Holder/=20 Boston Area Small Press and Poetry Scene founder. THE RED LINE By Elizabeth Kirschner Early morn and my eyes are like gun slits, swollen almost shut from the n= on- stop torrential weeping I did last night. Too much brain pain. Brain pain= that=20 knocks me off my feet, sometimes escalating at the speed of light until I= =92m hit=20 with a bout of psychosis. Called =93episodes=94 as if they were a popular= TV=20 series, I go far away from the world and into one where wolves are devour= ing=20 my brains or demons are throttling me, choking me halfway to death. These states of psychic intensity are what have landed me for the past fi= ve=20 years in the psych ward behind the red line that=92s six feet in front of= the=20 locked door that only visitors can cross, not patients. Red line like a g= oal one=20 must get into in order to win the game. Red line from which I watched my=20= then husband cross and go through the locked door, his shirt a small sail= , his=20 posture like that of a wounded God. My first grand entrance into the psych ward coincided with my first psych= ic=20 break. I went from being in a state of what I call classical despair, as = though=20 it were an art form, into the hellish belief that I was a dust baby, blow= n hither=20 and yon, then switched in a moment long enough for my demons to snap thei= r=20 fingers, into the violent schema wherein I was wrestling with God in piss= and=20 shit in a sewer hole with the lid shut tight. That first incident, over five years ago, happened on my son=92s eleventh= =20 birthday. In delirium, I argued with my husband, told him I needed to mak= e the=20 birthday dinner and bake the cake before I would go anywhere. The kitchen= =20 knife held a strange allure, something to cut and be cut with, but off I = went=20 to the ER, a crazed Madam, a loony-tunes mother and wife. I had been in just about every emergency room in Boston prior to that=20 December day where the light was so severely cold it felt shrill. Seizure= s=20 brought me there, seizures which I experienced countless times for four l= ong=20 years before they stopped and the madness erupted. And now, for over five= =20 years, the psychotic breaks have occurred, volcanic in nature, way too ma= ny=20 times, some of which landed me back in the ER or the psych ward. The lock-up, the nuthouse. So just what is life like behind the red line?= Surely=20 it merits being called an inferno. Surely it=92s like living in a void sl= it in the side of=20 time. It is a kind of incarceration where all the patients are players in= a=20 tragedy of Shakespearean proportion. It=92s a haunted tunnel in which one= hears=20 anonymous screams or a wax museum, each of us rigid with pain. The =93us=94= =20 being a community of dying souls=97the demented, tormented thrust into he= ll=20 holes that are gaping wounds, the only comfort being that there is an =93= us.=94=20 None of us are alone=97one patient walks the hallways hours on end, anoth= er=20 caves into the lair of despair, still another talks out loud to no one, m= aking=20 elaborate plans=97when to get one=92s hair done or buy tickets to go to=20= symphony=97this =93us=94 is a =93we=94 and thus we share a huge common=20= denominator; we are all touched in the head, a little kooky, or most poli= tely, a=20 bit too eccentric to exist anywhere else except behind the red line. It=92s just one more way of being devastated. That my first hospitalizati= on=20 occurred on my beloved son=92s birthday is a heartbreak I will carry unti= l I die. O=20 how I longed to be back in the maternity ward laboring to give birth inst= ead of=20 wanting to create my own demise. How many times have I crowned on the=20 cusp of death wherein the only word I can muster and master is die? I wan= t to=20 orchestrate my own death, I have written or said far too often, my only=20= motto: annihilate the violated because my brand of madness is the result = of=20 severe childhood abuse committed by both of my parents. Abuse I buried in= a=20 cavern so deep I lived in a coma of unconsciousness that exploded into=20= concussions of consciousness that came not prior to, but after my initial= =20 hospitalization. This much I know: abuse is taboo and I have been thoroug= hly=20 schooled in the drama of trauma and know, as well, what it=92s like to be= was=20 partially dead in the head for almost five decades.=20 That day in December I was, of course, in the ER for hours moving in and = out=20 of psychosis. Monkeys walked out of walls, a den of lions was ensnared=20= beneath my bed which I told my biologist husband to tell them to go away.= He=20 did so, calmly, firmly, but imagine his terror at seeing his Elizabeth go= ne=20 completely out of her mind. Late that night I was finally admitted after being given a neurological t= est,=20 one that I knew by rote from the seizure years. Then came the body check,= =20 the patting up and done like a cop searching for weapons. Off came my=20 wedding ring, my good earrings. My hastily packed bag was thoroughly=20 checked for sharps, cords, anything that could do me in even though I was= =20 already done in. I had to wait for hours for my bedtime meds, was put on a new one called=20= Risperadol which was meant to be =93psychic glue.=94 I was just another H= umpty=20 Dumpty fallen from the wall and all the king=92s horses and all the king=92= s men=20 couldn=92t put me back together again, but the new med did. Eons later, I= =92m now=20 on three times as much of Risperadol and take three tabs of it whenever I= =20 have a psychic break and must wait while literally screaming my bloody he= ad=20 off until the drug kicks in. Once I was in a state so severe and prolonge= d, I=20 downed a dozen tabs, landed in the psych ward again because I had taken a= n=20 accidental overdose. The first time I was admitted, voluntarily, I was given a private room, m= uch to=20 my relief. I cried myself to sleep in the wee hours while clutching my so= n=92s=20 favorite teddy bear. This bear has come with me every time I=92ve been=20= hospitalized as a kind of surrogate son. That son, as well as my doctor a= nd=20 dog keep me on, however precariously, on terra firma, that is until the n= ext=20 quake of madness hits me putting me once again on the verge of psychic=20= extinction. In the unit, the keepers and the kept are separated by a tidal abyss. The= =20 keepers check the kept every ten minutes round the clock, hand out the me= ds=20 and make sure they=92re taken, take one=92s pulse and temperature every m= orning,=20 have the keys that might let one free, but are used to lock the locked up= ones=20 in the shower where razors are verboten. They guard the halls and every=20= morning, precisely at 4:00 a.m., I would awaken, pace the small stretch o= f=20 hallway between my room and the guards until the community room opened at= =20 6:00. Then I could go make tea, quietly pad back to bed in the flannel=20= nightgown I wore morning, noon and night, and read the mythic Aneid in=20= mythic madness. The first morning I was there, I paced around the bed, then ended standin= g=20 up on it, terrified, because I was sure the floor was swarming with poiso= n=20 insects whose bites could kill me. My Dantesque hell realm of insanity ha= s put=20 me in a minefield because I never know when I might land on a one and be=20= blown away in pain so acute my only wish is a death wish. Life among the deranged has had an equalizing effect. I often saw my agon= y=20 reflected in someone else=92s eyes such that I wanted to give that fellow= =20 sufferer a hug, but no touching was allowed in the unit. There are rules = to be=20 followed, a very strict list. If a rule was broken, one was sent, like a = naughty=20 child, to his or her room for very long time-outs. One man, a tailor, was= never=20 allowed to leave his room. He stood in the doorway during all his waking = hours=20 like a broken scarecrow and once I was scolded for talking with him. Upon= my=20 release, I gave him the rest of my paper and a pencil that I had scribble= d=20 fragments of poems on so he could draw suits and dresses. His look of=20 gratitude was so profound I only wanted to sob. In the lock-up the kept are kept busy by their keepers. One is not allowe= d=20 was not allowed to stay in bed all day. In the morning we were counted=20= before we could eat breakfast, then we went to groups all day and finally= =20 gather in the community room come evening to go round the circle and repo= rt=20 one positive thing that had happened that day. I remember crying a lot. I remember hiding quarters in a sock so I could = make=20 calls out on one of the two phones on the ward. I remember staring out th= e=20 suicide-proof window in my room longing to fall to the pavement below. I = was=20 haunted by all the other half-mad, self-destructive poets=97Lowell, Sexto= n,=20 Berryman, Plath=97and felt a sort of camaraderie with their ghosts. I fel= t that=20 same camaraderie with the other patients. We were in it together, all tak= en=20 out of the world because we were suicidal, crazed, debilitated=97in short= , not=20 fit for society. We had our own society. We were colleagues passing each other in the=20 hallway, working together in groups, telling each other the specifics of=20= whatever form of mental illness that kept us behind the red line. Mine wa= s, is=20 Borderline Personality Disorder, a diagnosis I didn=92t know until after = my release,=20 one that came out of a survey test hundreds of questions long that I took= =20 soon after my arrival. It is a mood disorder, biologically-based that=92s= =20 exacerbated by childhood trauma. One, two years after my first=20 hospitalization, I remembered the primitive, primary truma, that is, of m= y=20 mother whacking the back of my head with a baseball bat when I was three = or=20 four years old. I remember hitting the floor which had black and white ti= les like=20 a chessboard, me the pawn, she the ruthless queen holding me in checkmate= .=20 Years after that, while in an episode of great intensity, I recalled how = my=20 father decapitated my life-size doll in my playhouse, then told me that=92= s what=20 would happen to me if I didn=92t comply with him. These memories and othe= r=20 assorted, horrific ones, buried deeper than deep, are what made my childh= ood=20 blocked out with blackouts and are what lead me to life behind the red li= ne. Being suicidal is what kept me in the lock-up. It is a holding tank, a ha= lfway=20 house between life and death, a hang out for lost souls, broken people, a= =20 cuckoo limbo. If I know what it=92s like to be kept, then Somerville-base= d poet,=20 Doug Holder, who has worked at a psychiatric hospital in the Boston area = for=20 years, knows what it=92s like to be a keeper, or more kindly, a caregiver= . Hence=20 we share a particular knowledge, the flipped sides of a single coin and p= lan to=20 give readings together, thus creating a dialogue, a crucial one about wha= t it=92s=20 like to be at either end of the spectrum of life in the unit. That I survived my childhood is a miracle. That God has put a pen in my h= and=20 is another one. I have written in line after line about the hellish dimen= sions of=20 my illness and of life in the unit. I should have used red ink, blood-red= , to ink=20 the lines that have resulted in two collections of poetry. The first, My = Life as=20 a Doll, brought out by Autumn House Press in May =9208, is my survivor=92= s tale, a=20 memoir in verse about my mother=92s violence. The second book, not yet ou= t=20 but someday, one day will be, also by Autumn House is titled The Fire Bon= es=20 and it chronicles my father=92s sexual abuse. It is meant to be the compa= nion=20 book to My Life as a Doll. Red lines then as scaffolding for my particular horror story. Yesterday, = in the=20 strangest of places=97a car dealership=97there was a huge poster that=20 read, =93Thou Shalt Seek the Red Line.=94 Eerie to find it there, to pond= er its=20 meaning, yet a vision soon came to me while walking by the sea of a red l= ine=20 encircling the earth with the whole human race, hand-in-hand, toeing it. = Every=20 one of us is susceptible to life behind that red line, many have crossed = it=20 either as the kept, the keepers or their loved ones and have felt just ho= w=20 universal suffering is. Let=92s stand together then on the red line, link= ed by the=20 beautiful ruins of our common humanity, by the faithful failings of flesh= and by=20 the brutal truths that tutor us until we break open and earn our angel wi= ngs=20 so we can take flight from fright, lift up and lift off as free spirits i= n the grace=20 that transforms us from being lost to that of being found. ~~Elizabeth Kirschner at e.kirschner1@gmail.com and=20 www.elizabethkirschner.com. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:44:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project May Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends, =20 Creating time and space for poets to present their work to an open audience is at the heart of the Project=B9s existence. Next week we have 3 great consecutive readings that serve as our Spring fundraiser. Attending one or ALL of these events is a perfect way to show how exuberantly you support poetry and The Poetry Project! We love a full house but if you can=B9t make it please consider making a $25 donation (about the price of 3 admissions) here . And check out our blog for a new post from guest blogger Edwin Torres, Star Black=B9s photos from Kenward Elmslie=B9s 80th Birthday Reading and a video clip of Ruxandra Cesereanu & Andrei Codrescu reading from FORGIVEN SUBMARINE. Love,=20 The Project crew Monday, May 11, 8 PM Simon Cutts & Nancy Kuhl Simon Cutts is a poet, artist and editor who began Coracle in the early 1970s, having worked with small publications from the 1960s. He began makin= g work through concrete poetry, a form of visual presentation of the poem on the page. Now he sees book-form as the physical metaphor for the poem itself. The Coracle Press Archives are held in the Getty Research Institute in Los Angeles. A recent book of essays, Some Forms of Availability, was published last year by Granary Books, New York. Nancy Kuhl=B9s first full-length collection of poems, The Wife of the Left Hand, was published i= n 2007 by Shearsman Books. She is the author of The Nocturnal Factory, a chapbook published in 2008 by Ugly Duckling Presse. Another chapbook, Means of Securing Houses &c. from Mischief by Thunder and Lightning, is forthcoming from Propolis Press. She is co-editor of Phylum Press, a small poetry publisher and Curator of Poetry of the Yale Collection of American Literature at the Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library. Wednesday, May 13, 8 PM John Giorno John Giorno was born in New York and graduated from Columbia University in 1958. Four years later, he met Andy Warhol, who became an important influence for Giorno=B9s developments on poetry, performance and recordings. He was the =B3star=B2 of Warhol=B9s film Sleep. He has collaborated with William Burroughs, John Ashbery, Ted Berrigan, Patti Smith, Laurie Anderson, Philip Glass, Robert Rauschenberg and Robert Mapplethorpe. In the decade of the 2000s he has collaborated with Rirkirt Tirvanija, Pierre Huyge, Elizabeth Peyton and Ugo Rondinone, who is his partner. He is the author of ten books= , including You Got to Burn to Shine, Cancer in my Left Ball, Grasping at Emptiness, Suicide Sutra, and has produced 59 LPs, CDs, tapes cassettes, videopaks and DVDs for Giorno Poetry Systems. He founded the AIDS Treatment Project and is an important force in the development of Tibetan Buddhism in the West. Thursday, May 14, 8 PM John Ashbery John Ashbery was born in Rochester, New York in 1927. His Notes from the Air: Selected Later Poems (Ecco, 2007) won the 2008 Griffin International Prize for Poetry. The Landscapist, his collected translations of the poetry of Pierre Martory, was published in 2008 by Sheep Meadow Press in the Unite= d States and Carcanet in the United Kingdom. The Library of America published the first volume of his Collected Poems in fall 2008. This will be his only solo reading in the NYC area during winter/spring of 2009, and the first on= e since his appearance at the 92nd Street Y this past October to celebrate th= e Library of America volume. John Ashbery will be guest introduced by Charles North. This event will be held in the Sanctuary of St. Mark=B9s Church. Friday, May 15, 6:30 PM and 8 PM My Vocabulary Did This To Me: Panel & Reading For The Collected Jack Spicer This special event is to honor seminal West Coast poet Jack Spicer (1925-1965). My Vocabulary Did This to Me (edited by Peter Gizzi and Kevin Killian) is a landmark publication of this essential poet=B9s life work, and includes poems that have become increasingly hard to find. 6:30pm: Panel in the Parish Hall with Dodie Bellamy, Samuel R. Delany, Kevi= n Killian, Jennifer Moxley & George Stanley. Moderated by Kevin Killian. 8:00pm: Reading in the Sanctuary with Dodie Bellamy, Anselm Berrigan, Julia= n T. Brolaski, CAConrad, Samuel R. Delany, Peter Gizzi, Kevin Killian, Basil King, Douglas A. Martin, Deborah Remington, Harris Schiff, Rod Smith, Georg= e Stanley, Lewis Warsh & Karen Weiser. Co-presented with Poets House Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.org/become-a-member Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.org/program-calendar The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.org www.poetryproject.org Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=B9d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a line at info@poetryproject.org. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:32:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Alexander Subject: Re: Robin Blaser (1925-2009) In-Reply-To: <4440.131.111.129.38.1241737882.squirrel@webmail.bway.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Here's one for, to, & with Robin! Such a presence, such a poet, such a human! charles charles alexander chax press chax@theriver.com 411 N 7th ave, suite 103 tucson arizona 85705 520 620 1626 On May 7, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Charles Bernstein wrote: > Robin Blaser died this morning. > > <> > > >>>>> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/=20 > welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:48:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Julie Phillips Brown Subject: Call for Work - Padelion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit /Padelion/ seeks previously unpublished work for its inaugural issue, slated to appear this autumn. Please send risky, conspicuous writing---in particular, work that explores connections with other media, genres, and disciplines. Works appear bi-annually in a limited edition print issue, and on the web. Contributors receive one copy of the print issue in which their work appears. Our reading period is from December through February, and June through August, with issues following in the spring and fall, respectively. No simultaneous submissions. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:32:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: juliana spahr Subject: poor poet rate at the spd spelling bee MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there is a last minute sale on tickets to the spd spelling bee fundraiser on May 18th at the 2009 Crown Point Gallery, San Francisco. bring a date at this rate! and come on, poets, you know you owe them a huge debt of gratitude for the tireless support they offer your books. so buy a ticket, drink some free absinthe, have some laughs, then go out to dinner after. http://www.spdbooks.org/pages/events/bee_in_special.aspx apologies for multiple postings. xxoo. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 01:40:35 +0000 Reply-To: tenneyn@comcast.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: Re: "total translation" redux In-Reply-To: <00de01c9cf4e$b7393c30$6500a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 QWgsIFN0LiBBZHJpYW4ncyEgVGhhdCB3YXMgYW4gYW1hemluZyByZWFkaW5nIEplcnJ5Lg0KLS0t LS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZyb206ICAgICAgICAgSmVyb21lIFJvdGhlbmJlcmcg PGpyb3RoZW5iZXJnQENPWC5ORVQ+DQoNCkRhdGU6ICAgICAgICAgVGh1LCA3IE1heSAyMDA5IDEy OjAyOjE0IA0KVG86IDxQT0VUSUNTQExJU1RTRVJWLkJVRkZBTE8uRURVPg0KU3ViamVjdDogInRv dGFsIHRyYW5zbGF0aW9uIiByZWR1eA0KDQoNCkkgZG9uJ3QgYXMgYSBydWxlIGNhbGwgYXR0ZW50 aW9uIHRvIHdyaXRpbmdzIGFib3V0IG15IG93biB3b3JrcywgdGhvdWdoIHRoZSB0ZW1wdGF0aW9u IGlzIGFsd2F5cyB0aGVyZS4gIEJ1dCB0aGVyZSdzIGEgdmVyeSBkZXRhaWxlZCwgdmVyeSBhY2N1 cmF0ZSBwaWVjZSBqdXN0IHBvc3RlZCBvbiB0aGUgUG9ldHJ5IEZvdW5kYXRpb24gd2ViIHNpdGUg LSBhIGRpc2N1c3Npb24gb2YgbXkgZXhwZXJpbWVudHMgZnJvbSBzb21lIHllYXJzIGFnbyB3aXRo ICJ0b3RhbCB0cmFuc2xhdGlvbiIgYW5kIGluIHBhcnRpY3VsYXIgYSBzZXJpZXMgb2YgY29tcG9z aXRpb25zIHRoYXQgYmVnYW4gYXMgdHJhbnNsYXRpb25zIGZyb20gTmF2YWpvIHJpdHVhbCBwb2V0 cnkuICBUaGUgcGllY2UgaXMgYnkgRGF2aWQgTm9yaWVnYSBhbmQgdGl0bGVkICJUaGUgT3JpZ2lu YWwgUGVyZm9ybWFuY2UgUG9ldHJ5OiBKZXJvbWUgUm90aGVuYmVyZydzICd0b3RhbCB0cmFuc2xh dGlvbnMnIG9mIE5hdmFqbyBIb3JzZSBTb25ncyIgLSBhY2NvbXBhbmllZCBieSBjbGlwcyBvZiBz b21lIGVhcmx5IG11bHRpLXRyYWNrIHN0dWRpbyByZWNvcmRpbmdzLiAgVGhlIFVSTCwgZm9yIGFu eSB3aG8gd2FudCB0byB0cmFjayBpdCBkb3duLCBpcyBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnBvZXRyeWZvdW5kYXRp b24ub3JnL2pvdXJuYWwvYXJ0aWNsZS5odG1sP2lkPTIzNjU1Ni4NClRoZSB3b3JrIG9mIGNvdXJz ZSBnb2VzIGJhY2sgdG8gdGhlIGVhcmx5IDE5NzBzLCBzbyBpdCdzIG15IHBsZWFzdXJlIHRvbyB0 byBzZWUgaXQgc3RpbGwgaW4gY2lyY3VsYXRpb24uDQpKZXJvbWUgUm90aGVuYmVyZyAgICAgICAg ICAiTGFuZ3VhZ2UgaXMgRGVscGhpLiINCjEwMjYgU2FuIEFiZWxsYSAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgIC0tTm92YWxpcw0KRW5jaW5pdGFzLCBDQSA5MjAyNA0KanJvdGhlbmJlcmcgYXQgY294 Lm5ldA0KQmxvZyBhdCBwb2Vtc2FuZHBvZXRpY3MuYmxvZ3Nwb3QuY29tDQoNCj09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NClRoZSBQb2V0aWNzIExpc3QgaXMgbW9kZXJhdGVkICYg ZG9lcyBub3QgYWNjZXB0IGFsbCBwb3N0cy4gQ2hlY2sgZ3VpZGVsaW5lcyAmIHN1Yi91bnN1YiBp bmZvOiBodHRwOi8vZXBjLmJ1ZmZhbG8uZWR1L3BvZXRpY3Mvd2VsY29tZS5odG1sDQoNCg== ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:23:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Zinc Bar 5/10 In-Reply-To: <20090507105010.8778@web010.roc2.bluetie.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit woo-hoo! a polyglossic maelstrom of fun and excitement. Joanna Fuhrman wrote: > Anne Tardos > and > Adeena Karasick > > > http://www.adeenakarasick.com/ > > http://www.annetardos.com/ > > will read at the (New) Zinc Bar > 82 West 3rd Street > between Thompson and Sullivan > Greenwich Village > New York NY 10012 > 212-477-ZINC > > Sunday, May 10, 2009 > at 6:30 pm > > > Upcoming Readings > > May 17th > Jordan Davis & Chris Nealon & George Stanley > > May 24th > Group Reading : You and I Will Both Be Fine > > Lauren Russell > Eve Bois > Vanessa Hope Schneider > Kate Hall Lutzner > Gina Inzunza > Christine Hamm > > May 31 > Chris Martin & Frank Lima > > June 7th > David Shapiro & Guest > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Oriental Rug > Turn any room into a work of art. Click now for beautiful oriental rugs! > http://tagline.excite.com/fc/FgElN1gwrdImN3wlAeVm10Ha0M9nG4Nd7auAbWtE51HBPJVE3eoupMfNVq4/ > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:26:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Robin Blaser (1925-2009) In-Reply-To: <4440.131.111.129.38.1241737882.squirrel@webmail.bway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Another one of the greats has passed into the (mostly) invisible world. But he'll be under our bootsoles and in the aether into which and from which we draw poetry, which is he, Robin, Robin Blaser, puckish and ever-burning. Charles Bernstein wrote: > Robin Blaser died this morning. > > <> > > > >>>>> >>>>> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:15:25 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Poetry by Fiat in NYC In-Reply-To: <706d0fec0905070813h4a48683cnb051779357210b1c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit as opposed to "by Chrysler"? -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:55:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Allegrezza Subject: Ed Baker's Goodnight at Moria MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ed Baker's new book _Goodnight_ is now available for free as an book at http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html. You can purchase a paper copy there if you want one. Bill Allegrezza www.moriapoetry.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 12:50:40 -0400 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: new(ish) on rob's clever blog -- Arielle Greenberg's Given -- Arc Magazine's Poem of the Year Contest -- Headlight anthology #12 -- Gregory Betts & Dean Irvine reading jwcurry's news notes (photo) -- a call for submissions from derek beaulieu (Calgary) -- Ottawa International Writers Festival, spring 09: poetry cabaret #2 (talonlaunch) + #3 -- Ottawa International Writers Festival, spring 09: poetry cabaret #1 -- Event: new & established writers, no. 37.3 -- A more recent note about Leonard Cohen -- Some Edmonton, thus; -- kristen palm, the straits -- filling Station #44 -- Easter poem -- Margaret Avison's Listening: last poems -- Jason Camlot, The Debaucher -- Carrie Olivia Adams, Intervening Absence -- call for submissions: Writing KOOT -- Why I do not call myself a poet -- jwcurrys newsnotes + other recent 1cents -- Ottawa, Toronto + Edmonton book launches, rob mclennan's gifts -- Ongoing notes: late March, 2009 (Tout Court Editions; Michael Dennis, Proper Tales Press; Andy Gricevich's Cannot Exist) -- Rae Armantrout: Next Life and Versed -- filling Station nos. 42 + 43 -- Collaborating with Trisia Eddy -- Ongoing notes: some Canadian journals (The New Quarterly; Descant; Riddle Fence) -- Open Letter 13:5 + 13:8: Reappraising Reappraising bpNichol -- some upcoming events; -- Today is my thirty-ninth birthday; -- Further reading: Friday the thirteenth -- two old poems embedded in thoughts on another birthday www.robmclennan.blogspot.com + some other new things at the alberta, writing blog www.albertawriting.blogspot.com + some other new things at ottawa poetry newsletter, www.ottawapoetry.blogspot.com + some other new things at the Chaudiere Books blog,www.chaudierebooks.blogspot.com -- writer/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project ...novel - white www.abovegroundpress.blogspot.com * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:08:55 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nicholas Karavatos Subject: Poet/Musican Collaboration Webcast Sunday Night Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Poet Nicholas Karavatos with guitarist Jeff Kelley - Webcast on KHSU-FM on = Sunday Night =20 LISTEN LIVE in CALIFORNIA on Sunday=2C May 10 at 10:05 PM KHSU 90.5 FM Arcata=2C 91.9 FM Crescent City-Brookings=2C 89.1 Ferndale-For= tuna=2C 89.7 Garberville=2C and 99.7 Willow Creek. Live Streaming at http://www.khsu.org/ =20 LISTEN LIVE in DUBAI on Monday=2C May 11 at 9:05 AM - Live Streaming at htt= p://www.khsu.org/ =20 While in California to perform at Accident Gallery in Eureka last January= =2C Nick & Jeff spent an afternoon at KHSU studios at Humboldt State Univer= sity. The afternoon was recorded by Tim Ayers who has edited down a 25 minu= te episode of "Mad River Anthology." =20 These are spontaneous collaborations between a poet and an electric guitari= st. =20 =20 Mad River Anthology is available on iTunes. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=3D28647469= 9 =20 Mad River Anthology http://madriveranthology.wordpress.com/ http://www.khsu.org/program_list#TB_inline?height=3D300&width=3D400&inlineI= d=3Dprogram_info =20 Nicholas Karavatos http://nicholaskaravatos.blogspot.com/ Jeff Kelley http://humboldtmusic.com/jeffkelley =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Nicholas Karavatos=2C M.F.A. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:28:18 +1200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Wystan Curnow Subject: Re: a place to stay in Philly for a few nights in June? In-Reply-To: <6105d1c70905061057u67e0002fha6e1e0cefd46304@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 try Clark House near UPenn--google it. Have stayed there, but check if it = suits. WystAN ________________________________________ From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of = Margaret Konkol [mekonkol@BUFFALO.EDU] Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2009 5:57 a.m. To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: a place to stay in Philly for a few nights in June? Does anyone know of a place to stay in Philadelphia for a few nights in the third week of June? I'm traveling down there for research at the Rosenbach Museum and am hoping to find a couch/cheap place to stay. Any suggestions warmly welcomed! Best and everything, Margaret Konkol mekonkol@gmail.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 15:23:33 -0400 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: a reading by five poets since congress is happening at carleton university, come to the carleton tavern to hear some participating poets! lovingly hosted by rob mclennan doors 7pm, reading 7:30pm The Carleton Tavern (upstairs), 223 Armstrong (at Parkdale) Monday, May 25, 2009 with readings by: Clint Burnham (Vancouver) Christine Stewart (Edmonton) Ken Belford (Prince George) Peter Midgley (Edmonton) & Michelle Smith (Edinburgh) author bios: Clint Burnham is a Vancouver writer and teacher. His most recent books include The Benjamin Sonnets (Bookthug, 2009), Rental Van (Anvil, 2007), and Smoke Show (Arsenal Pulp, 2005). Christine Stewart writes, teaches and researches experimental poetry and poetics in the English and Film Department, University of Alberta. Selected Publications: This Then Would Be the Conversation." Antiphonies: Essays on Womens Experimental Poetries in Canada. The Gig. 2008. Propositions from Under Mill Creek Bridge. Virgin Press. 2007. The Trees of Periphery: above/ground press, 2007. Pessoa's July: or the months of astonishments. Nomados Press. 2006. "We Lunch Nevertheless among Reinvention." Chicago Review. 2006. from Taxonomy. West House Press, 2003. Ken Belford is the author of six books of poetry including lan(d)guage (Caitlin Press 2008), and when snakes awaken (Nomados 2007). A proponent of what he has termed lan(d)guage, Belford assembles his intellectually independent sequences out of the shifting language of the BC interior, writing out a type of poetic pidgin by mixing language markers of the modern west coast with an older contact lingo of the lands beyond the edge of the farmers and ranchers field. Self educated, Belford has lived in the roadless mountains of the headwaters of Northern BC's Nass River for half his life. He adapts language and ideas, making a writing with a governance and order of his own. Lan(d)guage is his sixth book. He will be reading from lan(d)guage and a new manuscript, decompositions, to be published by Talon. Peter Midgley is a storyteller and a writer of childrens books that have won international awards and have been translated into 20 languages. He is also the author of two plays, Archetypes and Namlish, a political farce about Namibian independence. Peter writes in both English and Afrikaans and his poetry has appeared in the South African journals, Literator and New Coin. Some poems also appear in The Story that Brought Me Here: To Edmonton from Everywhere. He is currently working on a bilingual volume of poems, perhaps i should / miskien moet ek and book-length creative non-fiction project, A Truce Stranger than Fiction: Reflections on Namibian Independence. Michelle Denise Smith is a Postdoctoral Fellow at the University of Edinburgh. She was awarded a doctorate in English literature by the University of Alberta in 2008. Her poetry has appeared most recently in Arc, Grain, CV2, and The New Quarterly. She is fascinated by travel or,more to the point, Paris, and she is accordingly at work on a collection of travel essays and a novel titled Hitting the Ground. She is also close to completing her first collection of poems, mnemosyne above dark waters. -- writer/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project ...novel - white www.abovegroundpress.blogspot.com * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 18:17:18 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jill Chan Comments: To: jilltchan-blog@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, My third book, These Hands Are Not Ours, published by Earl of Seacliff Art = Workshop, is now available for pre-order. It will be released in early June= 2009. Jill Chan's These Hands Are Not Ours, her third book of poetry, explores th= e deep and sometimes uncanny relationships between our human experiences an= d our wider, more tenuous though, at times, no less ambiguous experiences o= f the divine. These poems are written in an almost subliminal language fil= led with beautiful tension and silent immensity. Perhaps we are never created until we are brave enough to be made. Until these hands are not ours but the sky=E2=80=99s, we claim too much of the night, the love, its making. (excerpt from 'Claim') Jill Chan grew up in Manila, Philippines. She has a Bachelor of Science in = Chemistry. In 1994, she migrated to New Zealand. Her poems have appeared i= n Poetry New Zealand, JAAM, Trout, Takahe, Asia and Pacific Writers Network= , MiPOesias, Tears in the Fence, foam:e, and New Zealand Poetry Sound Archi= ve. Her two previous collections, The Smell of Oranges, and Becoming Someo= ne Who Isn't, were published by Earl of Seacliff Art Workshop. She is the = editor of Poetry Sz: demystifying mental illness, and Numinous: Spiritual P= oetry. Please mention that you learned about These Hands Are Not Ours through the = author when you order your copy via the link below: http://www.earlofseacliff.co.nz/TheseHands.htm Thank you very much. Cheers Jill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 16:25:46 +1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Young Subject: Now out from Otoliths =?windows-1252?Q?=97_?= Quaternity, by Scott Glassman & Sheila E. Murphy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *Quaternity* Scott Glassman & Sheila E. Murphy 284 pages Cover Design by K. S. Ernst & Sheila E. Murphy Otoliths 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9806025-1-7 $16.45 + p&h URL: http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/quaternity/6783753 In *Quaternity*, Scott Glassman and Sheila E. Murphy ask, "...and what divination will rhetorize the oppositorum / attract the needed nightshade / counter pull assume high produce / to be revered osteo"? Do you understand the question? Whether you reply Yes or No, the point is that the excerpt can be understood to be a question. How? Through the push and pull of its music. *Quaternity* asks the reader to trust in words =97 the word itself = and not what it supposedly signifies. For the word itself can be a musical not= e and it can suffice (more than suffice!) that certain combinations sing. Th= e dictionary bows to Glassman and Murphy's seductive diction: "No curve to infinity can mimic bells." =97*Eileen Tabios* These collaborative pages elaborate vocal colors and chord-changing arrangements of sensory elision: musics of meaning. *Quaternity* is "lubrication-lit," aglow with the sensual pleasure of its making. Glassman and Murphy court rapture "where frogleaps suture kismet vines." =97*Tom Beckett* In *Quaternity*, Glassman and Murphy cease to make the usual "third thing" of collaboration =96 art and meaning immanent in shared composition =96 the end. Let the third be words and process, this material book, or tent camping, and start the box step waltz of four: author, author, writing, lunge. =97*Catherine Daly* =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 04:28:03 -0700 Reply-To: afieled@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Fieled Subject: PFS Post: Paul Siegell and Joseph Bradshaw MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out nutrageous new work frrom Paul Siegell and Joseph Bradshaw on PFS= Post: =A0 http://www.artrecess.blogspot.com =A0 Peace Out, Ad=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:20:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Paul Nelson Subject: Blaser Obit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.vancouversun.com/News/Kitsilano+poet+remembered+sense+humour/1583925/story.html Kitsilano poet remembered for sense of humour Robin Blaser continued to teach rising poets after taking early retirement from faculty at Simon Fraser University By Kelly Sinoski, Vancouver SunMay 11, 2009 Kitsilano poet Robin Blaser has died. Robin Blaser, a renowned Kitsilano poet whose work was devoted to the avant-garde, has died after a battle with cancer. His death, at the St. James Cottage Hospice in Vancouver last week, was just shy of his 84th birthday. "He took the world with him when he went," friend and fellow poet George Bowering said Sunday. "That's how I feel ... he really loved the world a lot." Blaser, who was raised in a small Idaho town, became one of California's triumvirate poets, along with Robert Duncan and Jack Spicer. The trio participated in what is known as the Berkeley Renaissance, contributing to postmodern poetry. In 1966, Blaser moved to Canada after accepting a position at Simon Fraser University. Nearly a decade later, in 1974, he became a Canadian citizen and met his life partner, David Farwell. Bowering, who travelled to San Francisco in the early '60s to meet Blaser, said he had much respect for the erudite poet with a great sense of humour. Blaser not only received the Order of Canada in 2005 for his contribution to the arts, but was winner of the Griffin Poetry Prize for lifetime achievement in 2006 and the Griffin Prize for Poetry in 2008. He was awarded an honorary doctorate by SFU in March 2009. Bowering said one of Blaser's major strengths was as a teacher. Despite taking early retirement from SFU in the 1980s, he continued to teach rising poets in his Kitsilano home. "Students kept going to Robin's place instead of to Simon Fraser," Bowering said. "He was a great teacher for those who kept going to see him and for those who read his books." Bowering noted that even though Blaser was one of Canada's best poets, "you would have to go a long way to find an English professor in Ottawa who's read him." He described Blaser's work as challenging and hard work yet delightful, noting he never wrote straightforward sentences and it was as if he "kicked the hell out of the English language." "You've got to have a lot of nerve to dig into [Blaser's] book and all those essays," Bowering said. But when you do, he said, lessons can be learned. And in his short essays, Blaser's "great sense of humour" shines through, especially in his work over the past 20 years. "He was a guy who could tell you everything and then tell you a joke," Bowering said. Blaser is survived by Farwell as well as by his sister Hope Samac and brother Augustus Blaser. ksinoski@vancouversun.com Paul E. Nelson Global Voices Radio SPLAB! American Sentences Organic Poetry Poetry Postcard Blog Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:37:00 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: UbuWeb Subject: Rare Audio from Anthology Film Archives (1964-1974) Comments: To: ubuweb@yahoogroups.com Comments: cc: lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rare Audio from Anthology Film Archives (1964-1974) http://ubu.com/sound/afa.html UbuWeb is pleased to annouce a new project in our ongoing partnership with Anthology Film Archives in New York City. This is the first in a series of over 1,000 tapes from the Anthology historic audio collection. These recordings feature many years worth of interviews, lectures, question & answer sessions and other amazing discoveries. The first series includes: P. Adams Sitney Interviews Kenneth Anger on WNYC's "Arts Forum" (1972); Charles Levine Interviews Robert Breer (July 1970); Jonas Mekas Interviews Emile De Antonio (11/06/1969); Jonas Mekas Interviews Emile De Antonio (11/06/1969); Poetry And The Film: Amos Vogel, Maya Deren, Parker Tyler, Willard Maas & Dylan Thomas Sessions 1 & 2 At Cinema 16 (10/28/ 1953); P. Adams Sitney Interviews Sidney Peterson On WNYC's "Arts Forum" (1976); P. Adams Sitney Interviews Sidney Peterson On WNYC's "Arts Forum" (1976); Annette Michelson Interviews Yvonne Rainer On WNYC's "Arts Forum" (01/25/1974); Pauline Kael And Stan Brakhage (1964); Robert Haller Interviews Carolee Schneemann (11/30/1973); Hollis Frampton At Binghampton University, Part 1 & 2 (03/11/1972); Ken Jacobs, Larry Gottheim, Stan Brakhage: Binghampton Council Of Churches (11/23/1970) defending a Hermann Nitsch action; Harry Smith Interviewed by P. Adams Sitney (1965). You can also read selections from FILM CULTURE Magazine (1955-1996) including many of the artists featured in the audio archive. UbuWeb http://ubu.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:12:17 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lori Emerson Subject: Creeley's Rainer Gerhardt? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, this is a bit embarrassing as I feel I should know this....but! Would someone mind telling me about the Rainer Gerhardt to whom Creeley dedicated a poem in For Love? THANK YOU! Lori -- Lori Emerson Assistant Professor | Electropoetics Thread Editor, Electronic Book Review Department of English, University of Colorado at Boulder Hellems 101, 226 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0226 http://www.colorado.edu/English/faculty/facpages/emerson.shtml http://www.electronicbookreview.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:29:18 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Kyle Schlesinger Subject: SIMON CUTTS AND NANCY KUHL TONIGHT at the POETRY PROJECT Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Simon Cutts & Nancy Kuhl TONIGHT MONDAY MAY 11, 2009 POETRY PROJECT 8:00 pm Tonight I will have the pleasure of introducing Simon Cutts and Nancy Kuhl at the Poetry Project. This will be my last night as curator of the Monday Night Reading Series. Thanks to the staff, volunteers, readers, and everyon= e who has attended. It's been a blast. Hope to see you tonight! Simon Cutts is a poet, artist and editor who began Coracle in the early 1970s, having worked with small publications from the 1960s. He began makin= g work through concrete poetry, a form of visual presentation of the poem on the page. Now he sees book-form as the physical metaphor for the poem itself. The Coracle Press Archives are held in the Getty Research Institute in Los Angeles. A recent book of essays, Some Forms of Availability, was published last year by Granary Books, New York. Nancy Kuhl=B9s first full-length collection of poems, The Wife of the Left Hand, was published in 2007 by Shearsman Books. She is the author of The Nocturnal Factory, a chapbook published in 2008 by Ugly Duckling Presse. Another chapbook, Means of Securing Houses &c. from Mischief by Thunder and Lightning, is forthcoming from Propolis Press. She is co-editor of Phylum Press, a small poetry publisher and Curator of Poetry of the Yale Collectio= n of American Literature at the Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library. The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.org www.poetryproject.org Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:59:55 -0700 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Glen Gould and the spoken word MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii a little Glen Gould trivia from wiki... Gould, like Wittengstein's older? brother, was "possessed with genius." Wittengstein thought of himself as rather dull by comparison. *************************************************** ***Having entertained a lifelong fascination with the hereafter, with theories of reincarnation and mystic numerology akin to those of Arnold Schoenberg, Gould believed that he would be reincarnated two years after his death in the person of Sam Caldwell, a media theorist and contrapuntal poet. This belief was strengthened by Gould's regrets (expressed particularly in his 1980 interviews with Bruno Monsaigneon) that he had not brought his contrapuntal radio work to a satisfactory stage of completion. With plans to explore to its logical conclusion the application of Wagnerian leitmotifs and J.S. Bach's contrapuntal textures in the medium of the spoken word, and particularly in poetry, Gould conceived of this fictional "second go-around" toward the end of his already immensely productive lifetime. ****************************************** ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:33:49 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: May 19: Dusie Press in NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Boog City presents Dusie Press and the Dusie Players! d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press Dusie Press (Switzerland) http://www.dusie.org Tuesday, May 19 6pm sharp free =20 ACA Galleries 529 W. 20th St., 5th Flr. NYC =20 Event will be hosted by Dusie editor Susana Gardner Featuring readings from Cara Benson Elizabeth Bryant Annie Finch Susana Gardner Jennifer Karmin Nicole Mauro Marthe Reed Jessica Smith Noise experiment poetics of the Dusie Players wine, cheese, and crackers, too Curated and with an introduction by Boog City editor David Kirschenbaum Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is between 10th & 11th avenues The Dusie Kollektiv is made up of 50 poets who each produce a chapbook for = distribution among the kollektiv members. In past years, participants have = published their own chapbooks, but for this year, the third of the kollekti= v, members published one another's chapbooks from author-editor combination= s which were created randomly. Many editors published their chapbook under = the name of a small press with which they were already affiliated, and some= created small presses just for the kollektiv. The point with the various n= ames of press was to reify ownership and flood the market with 50 new press= es.=20 Each year is different for the kollektiv, as every year there are different= participants. With that said, there are many loyal kollektiv members who h= ave been with the project since the first year. Change is inevitable, and e= nergy and enthusiasm are necessary, but ultimately it is the group ethos wh= ich has kept them together and moving forward. The project focuses more on = process and risk, and writers have no inhibition regarding publishing as it= is a completely open platform and all works get published. Also, the group= exchange gives an extra push in way of timeline and production, which also= motivates creation. Cara Benson edits the online journal Sous Rature. Her first full length col= lection (made) is forthcoming from BookThug. Her chapbook Quantum Chaos and= Poems: A Manifest(o)ation (BookThug) co-won the 2008 bpNichol Prize. Other= chaps include He Writes (No Press), UP (Dusie Kollectiv), and, with Kai Fi= erle-Hedrick and Kathrin Schaeppi, Spell/ing ( ) Bound (ellectrique press).= Benson edited the interdisciplinary book Prediction (forthcoming from Chai= n). She lives and writes in the analog world of upstate New York. http://www.necessetics.com=20 Elizabeth Bryant is the editor and publisher of the ongoing lit experiment = Defeffable, and CR79 Books. Her first full-length serial-poem (nevertheless= enjoyment is forthcoming this fall from Quale Press, and her latest chapbo= ok, Fluorescence Buzz, was published this spring via the Dusie Kollektiv. S= he has new poems and interviews in Dusie #8 and Gerry Mulligan, and a book = review in the upcoming issue of Jacket. She is also co-curator of the Bard = Roving Reading Series. Annie Finch's books of poetry include The Encyclopedia of Scotland, Eve, Ca= lendars, and Among the Goddesses, as well as Shadow-Bird from Dusie Kollekt= iv. She has also written or edited books about poetry, most recently Multif= ormalisms: Postmodern Poetics of Form, A Poet's Ear, and A Poet's Craft. Sh= e lives in Maine where she directs the Stonecoast low-residency M.F.A. prog= ram in creative writing. http://www.anniefinch.com Susana Gardner lives in Switzerland where she edits Dusie Press and curates= the Dusie Kollektiv. The author of several chapbooks, her first book [laps= e insel weary], was published by The Tangent Press. She writes and translat= es and will soon begin a poetic reading series as well at the DADA Haus--Ca= baret Voltaire, Z=C3=BCrich. Jennifer Karmin's text-sound epic, Aaaaaaaaaaalice, will be published by Fl= im Forum Press this year. She curates the Red Rover Series and is co-founde= r of the public art group Anti Gravity Surprise. Her multidisciplinary proj= ects have been presented nationally at festivals, artist-run spaces, and on= city streets. Karmin teaches creative writing to immigrants at Truman Coll= ege and works as a Poet-in-Residence for the Chicago Public Schools. New po= ems are out in Cannot Exist, MoonLit, Otoliths, Come Together: Imagine Peac= e (Bottom Dog Press), and Not A Muse (Haven Books). Nicole Mauro has published poems and criticism in numerous journals. She is= the author of the chapbooks Odes (Sardines), Dispatch (co-authored with Ma= rci Nelligan; Dusie), The Contortions (Dusie), and Tax-Dollar Super-Sonnet = (Pendergast/Dusie). She is the co-editor, with Marci Nelligan, of an interd= isciplinary book about sidewalks, Intersection: Sidewalks and Public Space = (ChainArts). Her first full-length poetry collection, The Contortions, is d= ue out from Dusie this year. She lives in the San Francisco bay area with h= er husband Patrick, and daughters Nina and Faye. She teaches rhetoric and w= riting at the University of San Francisco. Marthe Reed=E2=80=99s poetry has appeared in New American Writing, Golden H= andcuffs Review, New Orleans Review, and Sulfur, and in numerous e-zines su= ch as HOW2, MiPoesias, Exquisite Corpse, Aught, eratio, and Moria. New work= appears in Big Bridge and is forthcoming from Fairy Tale Review. Her book,= Tender Box, A Wunderkammer, is published by New Orleans' Lavender Ink, and= her chapbook (em)bodied bliss is published by jimmie pennies press and Dus= ie Kollektiv. Jessica Smith is the editor of Outside Voices Press, an imprint of Bootstra= p Productions. She is the author of Organic Furniture Cellar. She also edit= s Foursquare, a monthly women's poetry magazine. The Dusie Players The noise experiment poetics of the Dusie Players will be strange and exper= imental, unpredictable and odd. This will be the first performance of its k= ind for Dusie Kollektiv participants and include works of Dusie past, prese= nt, and future. =20 Next event: Tues. June 30 Effing Press (Austin, Texas) http://www.effingpress.com =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 02:53:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Larissa Shmailo Subject: Review copies of In Paran by Larissa Shmailo available Comments: To: POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Review copies of In Paran (BlazeVox 2009-poetry) by Larissa Shmailo are available. Please backchannel with name, name of journal/periodical, address, and email. Thanks in advance! ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:39:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Kelleher Subject: Literary Buffalo Newsletter 05.12.09-05.17.09 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 LITERARY BUFFALO 05.12.09-05.17.09 Apologies for not sending the newsletter yesterday=21 BABEL 2009-2010 SEASON SUBSCRIPTIONS ON SALE NOW=21 Scroll down for details EVENTS THIS WEEK Visit the Literary Buffalo calendar at www.justbuffalo.org for more detaile= d info on these events. All events free and open to the public unless other= wise noted. 05.12.09 Talking Leaves Books Linda Andre Talk and Signing, Doctors of Deception: What They Don't Want You to Know about Shock Treatment Tuesday, May 12, 6:00 PM Talking Leaves Books 3158 Main St. Just Buffalo Short Story Discussion Group: Raymond Carver, Edward P. Jones Tuesday, May 12, 6:30 PM Spot Coffee Chippewa and Delaware Ave. 05.13.09 Earth's Daughters? Gray Hair Reading Series Ken Feltges and Carole Southwood Poetry Reading Wednesday, May 13, 7:30 PM Hallwalls Cinema Babeville =7C 341 Delaware Ave. =40 Tupper 05.15.09 Just Buffalo Interdisciplinary Performance Series Mamapalooza, featuring Loraine O?Donnel of WECK 1230 & 5:00-5:40 Lydia Baines Al-Amin,=CB=87Storyteller 5:50-6:35 Meada Taylor,=CB=87Puppeteer 6:40-7:05 Faaria ,=CB=87Dancers 7:10-7:55 Daughters of Creative Sound,=CB=87African drum ensemble 8:10-8:55 Noa Bursie,=CB=87Vocalist/guitarist 9:00-9:50 Kilissa Cissoko,=CB=87vocalist/keyboards Plus special tours ? Albright Knox works in the gallery permanent collecti= on inspired by dance, poetry and music =CB=87 6:30pm and 7:30pm =CB=87(45 minutes each) Friday, May 15, 5 - 10 PM Albright-Knox Art Gallery 1285 Elmwood Ave. Buffalo Blazevox Books/Rust Belt Books Greg Gerke Book Launch - There's Something Wrong with Sven Friday, May 15, 7:00 PM Rust Belt Books 202 Allen St. Buffalo 05.16.09 Impact Artists' Gallery The Stop Look and Listen Poetry Series Alex Meade and open mic Saturday, May 16, 2 PM Impact Artists' Gallery Suite 545, Tri-Main Center =7C 2495 Main Street Talking Leaves Books Lyndsey D'Arcangelo Book signing for The Crabapple Tree Saturday, May 16, 2:00 PM Talking Leaves Books, 3158 Main St. Just Buffalo Interdisciplinary Performance Series Mamapalooza, with Annette Daniels-Taylor, Shirley Sarmiento, Annette Daniels-Taylor,=CB=87Poet/Music Verniece Taylor,=CB=87Vonetta =CB= =87T. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:11:00 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joanna Fuhrman Subject: Zinc Bar: May 17th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Jordan Davis, Chris Nealon & George Stanley Featured Poets: May 17, 2009, 6:30-8:30 p.m. The Zinc Bar, 82 West 3rd Street, NY, NY = Jordan Davis's first book is Million Poems Journal. He is a columnist for Th= e Constant Critic. His poems have appeared in Faucheuse, The Germ, Quid, Baf= fling Combustions, and Shiny, among other journals. His essays and reviews h= ave appeared at the Poetry Foundation, and in the TLS, San Francisco Chronic= le, Slate, and The Nation. With Chris Edgar he edits The Hat, an annual jour= nal. Chris Nealon is Associate Professor in the Department of English at at Johns= Hopkins University. He is the author of Foundlings: Lesbian and Gay Emotion= Before Stonewall (Duke UP, 2001), and two books of poems: The Joyous Age (B= lack Square Editions, 2004), and Plummet (Edge Books, forthcoming 2009). He = is currently completing a book of criticism called The Matter of Capital: Po= etry and Spectacle in the American Century. = George Stanley is the author of a dozen books, including Seniors (2006), A T= all, Serious Girl (2003), At Andy's (2000) and Gentle Northern Summer (1995)= . He's the 2006 winner of the Poetry Society of America's Shelley Award and = last week was nominated for this year=E2=80=99s B.C. Book Prizes Dorothy Liv= esay Prize for Poetry for his new collection Vancouver: A poem. He lives in = Vancouver, Canada. = As always we ask for five dollars for the poets! ------------------------------------------------------------ Scottrade - Official Site $7 online trades. Fast web site. 400+ offices nationwide. http://tagline.excite.com/fc/nNuAybaSkq5BFT1rSbQMXYqkGdmAiNaOU8LdZA0GIEmEgIb= HubPotEE/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:29:00 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Anselm Berrigan Subject: Fwd: reading next Sunday! In-Reply-To: <43c3ff530905101444o5a84a0c8pb578b058faf47b60@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" (Jibade-Khalil Huffman presents) An afternoon with Anselm Berrigan & Monica de la Torre Sunday, May 17th 2:00 pm 232 East Broadway (F, J, M, Z to Essex-Delancey, or, B, D to Grand) NY/NY about the readers: Anselm Berrigan's books of poetry include Zero Star Hotel (2002) and Some Notes on My Programming (2006), both published by Washington D.C.'s Edge Books. His book Free Cell will be published later this year by City Lights. With his mother Alice Notley and brother Edmund Berrigan he co-edited The Collected Poems of Ted Berrigan, published in 2005 by the U. of California. They are currently working on a Selected Poems of Ted Berrigan to hopefully be published in the not too distant future. Berrigan is also a member of the subpress publishing collective, and will be releasing The Selected Poems of Steve Carey, edited by Edmund Berrigan, in June of this year. From 2003-2007 AB was Artistic Director of The Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church. He currently supports himself through a rotating array of teaching jobs at Pratt Institute, Bard College and Wesleyan University. He likes teaching but does not love it, hence the part-time status at the various schools. He is poetry editor for The Brooklyn Rail, and lives in the East Village, where he also happened to grow up. He is a poet, identifies only as a poet, and works in service of that art while happy for the existence of all the others. M=C3=B3nica de la Torre is the author of the poetry books Talk Shows (Switchback, 2007);=3D2 0Ac=C3=BAfenos, a collection in Spanish published in 2006 in Mexico City by Taller Ditoria; and Public Domain (Roof Books, 2008). She writes about art and culture for publications in Mexico and the U.S. and is co-author of the artist book Appendices, Illustrations & Notes, available on Ubu.com. She co-edited the anthology Reversible Monuments: Contemporary Mexican Poetry with Michael Wiegers (Copper Canyon Press, 2002) and translated the books Poems by Gerardo Deniz (Lost Roads) and Mauve Sea-Orchids by Lila Zemborain (Belladonna Books). She is senior editor at BOMB Magazine and lives in Brooklyn. in conjunction with Homebase IV about Homebase: {HomeBase is an artist-run international art project, which aims to nurture a rich contextual exploration around the archetype of home. In pursuing this exploration annually, HomeBase seeks to integrate contemporary art into the everyday urban experience and to challenge the role of art as an educational tool for cross-cultural dialog and community cultivation. The HomeBase model consists of marking a temporary base, a raw urban architectural site in a neighborhood undergoing change, and inviting international artists to engage in a three-week workshop that includes study, dialogue and communal dinners. As artists explore the personal and critical aspects of home and city dwelling, they create site-responsive installations in rooms in the base location. The workshop is followed by a 3 week happening. The HomeBase site opens its doors to the public free of charge and features lectures, art talks , performances, and interactive events which transform the site into an exciting temporary urban platform. By merging community, architecture, and art, HomeBase becomes a home to an intercultural and inter-disciplinary experience. Selected by New York Magazine's Jerry Saltz as Critic's Pick in 2008 and featured on NY1 and many other notable media channels, HomeBase has welcomed thousands of visitors through its doors and is expecting many more in during its future projectst in New York, Berlin, and London.} =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:12:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: peter ganick Subject: remind, mind again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a place for experimental literary texts: http://pganickz.livejournal.com is 'open' to reading new material. thanks. peter ganick. -- http://peterganick.info ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:08:23 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Irish student hoaxes world's media with fake quote MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Irish student hoaxes world's media with fake quote =09 Irish student hoaxes world's media with florid but phony quote from dead = French composer Shawn Pogatchnik=2C Associated Press WriterOn Monday May 1= 1=2C 2009=2C 12:07 pm EDT =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 Buzz up! =09 =09 Print =09 =20 =09 =20 =09 =09 DUBLIN (AP) -- When Dublin university student Shane Fitzgerald posted a poetic but phony quote on Wikipedia=2C he was testing how our globalized=2C increasingly Internet-dependent media was upholding accuracy and accountability in an age of instant news. =09 =09 =09 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 His report card: Wikipedia passed. Journalism flunked. The sociology major's obituary-friendly quote -- which he added to the Wikipedia page of Maurice Jarre hours after the French composer's death March 28 -- flew straight on to dozens of U.S. blogs and newspaper Web sites in Britain=2C Australia and India. They used the fabricated material=2C Fitzgerald said=2C even though administrators at the free online encyclopedia twice caught the quote's lack of attribution and removed it. A full month went by and nobody noticed the editorial fraud. So Fitzgerald told several media outlets they'd swallowed his baloney whole. "I was really shocked at the results from the experiment=2C" Fitzgerald=2C 22=2C said Monday in an interview a week after one newspaper at fault=2C The Guardian of Britain=2C became the first to admit its obituarist lifted material straight from Wikipedia. "I am 100 percent convinced that if I hadn't come forward=2C that quote would have gone down in history as something Maurice Jarre said=2C instead of something I made up=2C" he said. "It would have become another example where=2C once anything is printed enough times in the media without challenge=2C it becomes fact." So far=2C The Guardian is the only publication to make a public mea culpa=2C while others have eliminated or amended their online obituaries without any reference to the original version -- or in a few cases=2C still are citing Fitzgerald's florid prose weeks after he pointed out its true origin. "One could say my life itself has been one long soundtrack=2C" Fitzgerald's fake Jarre quote read. "Music was my life=2C music brought me to life=2C and music is how I will be remembered long after I leave this life. When I die there will be a final waltz playing in my head that only I can hear." Fitzgerald said one of his University College Dublin classes was exploring how quickly information was transmitted around the globe. His private concern was that=2C under pressure to produce news instantly=2C media outlets were increasingly relying on Internet sources -- none more ubiquitous than the publicly edited Wikipedia. When he saw British 24-hour news channels reporting the death of the triple Oscar-winning composer=2C Fitzgerald sensed what he called "a golden opportunity" for an experiment on media use of Wikipedia. He said it took him less than 15 minutes to fabricate and place a quote calculated to appeal to obituary writers without distorting Jarre's actual life experiences. He noted that the Wikipedia listing on Jarre did not have any other strong quotes. If anything=2C Fitzgerald said=2C he expected newspapers to avoid his quote because it had no link to a source -- and even might trigger alarms as "too good to be true." But many blogs and several newspapers used the quotes at the start or finish of their obituaries. He said the Guardian was the only publication to respond to him in detail and with remorse at its own editorial failing. Others=2C he said=2C treated him as a vandal who was solely to blame for their cut-and-paste content. "The moral of this story is not that journalists should avoid Wikipedia=2C but that they shouldn't use information they find there if it can't be traced back to a reliable primary source=2C" said the readers' editor at the Guardian=2C Siobhain Butterworth=2C in the May 4 column that revealed Fitzgerald as the quote author. "It's worrying that the misinformation only came to light because the perpetrator of the deception emailed publishers to let them know what he'd done=2C and it's regrettable that he took nearly a month to do so=2C" she wrote. Fitzgerald said he had waited in part to test whether news organizations or the public would smoke out the quote's lack of provenance. He said he was troubled that none did. And he warned that a truly malicious hoaxer could have evaded Wikipedia's own informal policing by getting a newspaper to pick up a false piece of information -- as happened when his quote made its first of three appearances -- and then use those newspaper reports as a credible footnote for the bogus quote. "I didn't want to be devious=2C" he said. "I just wanted to show how the 24-hour=2C minute-by-minute media were now taking material straight from Wikipedia because of the deadline pressure they're under." Guardian article on controversy=2C http://tinyurl.com/djqd8w Soundtrack Geek blog on Jarre=2C http://tinyurl.com/d527zh Wikipedia site criticizing itself=2C http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism= --of--Wikipedia Hotmail=AE goes with you. Get it on your BlackBerry or iPhone. _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut= orial_QuickAdd1_052009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:32:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: peter ganick Subject: remind, mind again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit forgot to include with livejournal announcement: please send texts to thanks. peter ganick. -- http://peterganick.info ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:55:53 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: Assembling in the eternal network MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _______________ "NONE OF THE ABOVE : Assembling, Collaborating and Publishing in the Eternal Network" A CALL FOR PARTICIPATION, to poets and artists ... In an ambitious assembling-style project, Minnesota Center for Book Arts invites any and all to send 125 copies of anything that will fit into a 9" x 12" envelope. This project is in conjunction with MCBA=92s upcoming exhibition "None of the Above : Assembling, Collaborating and Publishing in the Eternal Network." An assembling project represents the ultimate in democratic art. Everything submitted will be included in the publication (or series of publications, depending on how many people participate). In return for your efforts, you receive a selection of 89 different works created by others who participate. What to send? Any means of expression is fine (paper, CDs, stickers, popsicle sticks) but it can be no larger than 8.5" x 11" (21.6 cm x 27.9 cm) and 1/8" thick (.3 cm). It can be folded, stitched, crushed, flattened, etc. Shrunk-via-shrink-ray submissions are okay. If you need a theme, submissions will be compiled in publications titled "None of the Above." How=92s that for clear direction? How many to send? Submit 125 copies. 89 of these will go to other participants. Additional copies will be archived, distributed to donors/volunteers, and a small number will be sold as a fundraiser for MCBA. What else to send? So that we can send you your copy of the publication, include a sheet of paper with your name and postal address. Also include $5 in U.S. funds =96 checks payable to Minnesota Center for Book Arts =96 to cover the cost of envelopes and postage. Where to send ... "None of the Above," c/o Minnesota Center for Book Arts, 1011 Washington Avenue South, Suite 100, Minneapolis, Minnesota, 55415 Deadlines: If we receive submissions by August 21, 2009, they will be displayed as part of the associated exhibition. To be included in the publication, submissions must be received no later than October 24, 2009. A special collating event will occur at MCBA on Saturday, October 24, 2009. For those who would like to participate, you may bring your 125 copies that evening rather than mailing. Then there is no fee. Please e-mail Jeff Rathermel, MCBA=92s Artistic Director, at jrathermel@mnbookarts.org by October 16, 2009 if you will be participating. Arrive at 7:00 p.m., assembly lines commence at 7:30 p.m. Yours for the poetry of assembling, S=E9amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com http://www.mnartists.org/Seamas_Cain _______________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:05:56 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Small Press Traffic Subject: SPT PRESENTS: SUMMER WORKSHOPS! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are so thrilled to announce these upcoming summer workshops with Small Press Traffic. Please pass the word along to your friends and students. *SITE-BASED PRACTICES with David Buuck & Jessica Tully *Marin Headlands Bunkers Sunday June 21, 11am-2pm $40 ($30 for students and members) Please join writer & critic David Buuck & artist & activist Jessica Tully for a site-specific workshop at the former military bunkers in the Marin Headlands. We will explore a wide range of methods and practices related to site-based writing & art practices, including several on-site exercises & experiments. This workshop is designed for ALL levels of interested writers & artists, to explore how we engage place, site, environment & the politica= l histories therein as writers, artists, and citizens. We will provide optional pre-workshop reading that covers both the site's history as well a= s essays on site-writing & site-specific art practices. We will discuss & explore writing & research techniques as well as much more performative & embodied strategies of site-work, so be prepared to try new ways of thinking, moving, and working! Note: We will arrange for car-pooling to the site, as well as lunch. Bring notebook, camera, sunscreen, outdoor shoes, layers for wind, etc. The Marin Headlands is home to several former military installations, including the bunkers, the Nike Missile Site, and the current home of the Headlands Cente= r for the Arts. *Conceptualism and Craft with K. Silem Mohammad *CCA San Francisco Campus Monday through Thursday July 6-10th Time: 6pm-9pm $125 / $100 students and members This four-day workshop will begin by examining and rehearsing various techniques central to Conceptualist poetics, broadly considered so as to encompass appropriation, transcription, and other versions of what Kenneth Goldsmith has called =93uncreative writing,=94 as well as the deliberately awkward and expressively debased gestures associated with Flarf. We will then look at these techniques in relation to older and more traditional notions of craft: can there be coherent criteria for craft-based evaluation of texts written using blankly conceptual or intentionally =93bad=94 method= s? Do any of the familiar aesthetic categories still apply, and if so, how? *Oakland A's /White Sox Game with Bill Luoma* Oakland Coliseum Saturday August 18th 11am workshop/ 1:05pm game $40 includes admission to the game and a baseball to take home/ $30 student= s and members In the spirit of the Basketball Aritcle by Meyer and Waldman and Yo-Yo's with Money by Berrigan and Schiff, we will spend some time working on the body of baseball & poetry. Or just poetry since that encompasses baseball. *Note* Scholarship admission is available for those who need it. Please contact Samantha for more information. To sign up or get more information by emailing Samantha Giles at smallpresstraffic@gmail.com. --=20 Samantha Giles Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center sptraffic.org smallpresstraffic.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:56:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Blaser Obit In-Reply-To: <533518.51576.qm@web111504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i keep reading this as "Blaser Orbit," as if Robin were now in space, still with us but watching us with his usual gargantuan but refined enjoyment. Paul Nelson wrote: > http://www.vancouversun.com/News/Kitsilano+poet+remembered+sense+humour/1583925/story.html > > Kitsilano poet remembered for sense of humour > Robin Blaser continued to teach rising poets after taking early retirement from faculty at Simon Fraser University > By Kelly Sinoski, Vancouver SunMay 11, 2009 > > > Kitsilano poet Robin Blaser has died. > Robin Blaser, a renowned Kitsilano poet whose work was devoted to the avant-garde, has died after a battle with cancer. > His death, at the St. James Cottage Hospice in Vancouver last week, was just shy of his 84th birthday. > "He > took the world with him when he went," friend and fellow poet George > Bowering said Sunday. "That's how I feel ... he really loved the world > a lot." > Blaser, who was raised in a small Idaho town, became one > of California's triumvirate poets, along with Robert Duncan and Jack > Spicer. The trio participated in what is known as the Berkeley > Renaissance, contributing to postmodern poetry. > In 1966, Blaser > moved to Canada after accepting a position at Simon Fraser University. > Nearly a decade later, in 1974, he became a Canadian citizen and met > his life partner, David Farwell. > Bowering, who travelled to San > Francisco in the early '60s to meet Blaser, said he had much respect > for the erudite poet with a great sense of humour. > Blaser not > only received the Order of Canada in 2005 for his contribution to the > arts, but was winner of the Griffin Poetry Prize for lifetime > achievement in 2006 and the Griffin Prize for Poetry in 2008. He was > awarded an honorary doctorate by SFU in March 2009. > Bowering said > one of Blaser's major strengths was as a teacher. Despite taking early > retirement from SFU in the 1980s, he continued to teach rising poets in > his Kitsilano home. > "Students kept going to Robin's place instead > of to Simon Fraser," Bowering said. "He was a great teacher for those > who kept going to see him and for those who read his books." > Bowering > noted that even though Blaser was one of Canada's best poets, "you > would have to go a long way to find an English professor in Ottawa > who's read him." > He described Blaser's work as challenging and > hard work yet delightful, noting he never wrote straightforward > sentences and it was as if he "kicked the hell out of the English > language." > "You've got to have a lot of nerve to dig into [Blaser's] book and all those essays," Bowering said. > But > when you do, he said, lessons can be learned. And in his short essays, > Blaser's "great sense of humour" shines through, especially in his work > over the past 20 years. > "He was a guy who could tell you everything and then tell you a joke," Bowering said. > Blaser is survived by Farwell as well as by his sister Hope Samac and brother Augustus Blaser. > > ksinoski@vancouversun.com > > > Paul E. Nelson > > Global Voices Radio > SPLAB! > American Sentences > Organic Poetry > Poetry Postcard Blog > > Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:19:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "D. Wellman" Subject: Re: Creeley's Rainer Gerhardt? In-Reply-To: <1eba3dda0905121412h159f3cas141c49b480c382c4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a full exposition in the most recent minutes of the Chares Olson Society, ed Ralph Maud, August 2007. Donald Wellman Daniel Webster College http://faculty.dwc.edu/wellman/ -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Lori Emerson Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:12 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Creeley's Rainer Gerhardt? Hello, this is a bit embarrassing as I feel I should know this....but! Would someone mind telling me about the Rainer Gerhardt to whom Creeley dedicated a poem in For Love? THANK YOU! Lori -- Lori Emerson Assistant Professor | Electropoetics Thread Editor, Electronic Book Review Department of English, University of Colorado at Boulder Hellems 101, 226 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0226 http://www.colorado.edu/English/faculty/facpages/emerson.shtml http://www.electronicbookreview.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:26:46 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: richard owens Subject: Re: Creeley's Rainer Gerhardt? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gerhardt. German poet. Olson on Gerhardt: "the first of Europe / I could have words with." both Creeley & Olson fond of his work (Cf. Olson, "To gerhardt, There, Among Europe's Things." also see Ekbart Faas RC bio. ........richard owens 810 richmond ave buffalo NY 14222-1167 damn the caesars, the journal damn the caesars, the blog --- On Tue, 5/12/09, Lori Emerson wrote: From: Lori Emerson Subject: Creeley's Rainer Gerhardt? To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 5:12 PM Hello, this is a bit embarrassing as I feel I should know this....but! Would someone mind telling me about the Rainer Gerhardt to whom Creeley dedicated a poem in For Love? THANK YOU! Lori -- Lori Emerson Assistant Professor | Electropoetics Thread Editor, Electronic Book Review Department of English, University of Colorado at Boulder Hellems 101, 226 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0226 http://www.colorado.edu/English/faculty/facpages/emerson.shtml http://www.electronicbookreview.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:51:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Creeley's Rainer Gerhardt? In-Reply-To: <1eba3dda0905121412h159f3cas141c49b480c382c4@mail.gmail.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed There's a bio in German at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_Maria_Gerhardthttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_Maria_Gerhardt. He and his wife ran a press and a revue, he translated, edited, wrote poems and essays that are still read in Germany. Committed suicide in 1954--he was 27. Olson addressed two poems to him, "To Gerhardt, there among Europe's things of which he has written us in his 'Brief an Creeley und Olson,'" and "The Death of Europe." Mark At 05:12 PM 5/12/2009, you wrote: >Hello, this is a bit embarrassing as I feel I should know this....but! >Would someone mind telling me about the Rainer Gerhardt to whom >Creeley dedicated a poem in For Love? > >THANK YOU! >Lori > >-- >Lori Emerson >Assistant Professor | Electropoetics Thread Editor, Electronic Book Review >Department of English, University of Colorado at Boulder >Hellems 101, 226 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0226 >http://www.colorado.edu/English/faculty/facpages/emerson.shtml >http://www.electronicbookreview.com > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:32:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Al Filreis Subject: new PoemTalk: on Rodrigo Toscano Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today we are releasing the new episode of PoemTalk - a discussion of Rodrigo Toscano's "Poetics" with Linh Dinh, Randall Couch and Emily Abendroth. http://www.poemtalk.org http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/audioitem.html?id=1612 - Al Filreis Al Filreis Kelly Professor Faculty Dir., Kelly Writers House Dir., Center for Programs in Contemporary Writing University of Pennsylvania on the web: http://writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis blog: http://writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/blog PoemTalk: http://www.poemtalk.org get your daily Al: http://bit.ly/1UCfRp ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 07:34:47 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Margaux Jones Subject: The Task of Distributivity, The Fate of Interregnum, and The Aesthetics of Pantomicriticism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://distributivity.comoj.com/ To practice distributivity is to acknowledge the inevitability of pataphor, the paralinguisticality of perception, the boundedness of action, the passion of ideas, the beauty of era, the chains of bureaucracy, the possibilities of intuition and the uncanny delight of chance. In contrast to the syllogistic rationality of bureaudocile logistics, distributivity is situational, shifts with the winds, courts contradiction, feeds on inconsistency. I embrace a distributivity of bewilderment. I don't know where I am going and never have, just try to grapple as best I can with where I am. The dissemination that most engages me is not theoretically perspicacious. Indeed, it has a distributivity and an aesthetics, but not a predetermining theory. It is multiform and chaotic, always reformulating and regrouping. Competence is less important to me than responsiveness; mobility, ingenuity and invention more important than solutions to predefined problems. --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:11:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Subject: Re: Creeley's Rainer Gerhardt? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lori, See http://books.google.com/books?id=ztPfosyWpeAC&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=%22Rainer+Gerhardt%22&source=bl&ots=2xqP-NVX2l&sig=q4mMWEc6LiHtRasqT06EHa7Kof0&hl=en&ei=zPIJSoikBpO6M97g9NoL&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPA108,M1 ~ Dan Zimmerman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Emerson" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Creeley's Rainer Gerhardt? > Hello, this is a bit embarrassing as I feel I should know this....but! > Would someone mind telling me about the Rainer Gerhardt to whom > Creeley dedicated a poem in For Love? > > THANK YOU! > Lori > > -- > Lori Emerson > Assistant Professor | Electropoetics Thread Editor, Electronic Book Review > Department of English, University of Colorado at Boulder > Hellems 101, 226 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0226 > http://www.colorado.edu/English/faculty/facpages/emerson.shtml > http://www.electronicbookreview.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:51:14 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark DuCharme Subject: FW: Stratford Park Reading Series: OWEN, BIRMAN & WRIGHT June 9th In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please join us for the debut event in the STRATFORD PARK READING SERIES. Three extraordinary poets will help us celebrate the launch of this new ser= ies in north Boulder: MAUREEN OWEN=2C LAURA E. WRIGHT & LISA BIRMAN. It all happens TUESDAY=2C JUNE 9th at 7:30 p.m. 3030 O=92NEAL PARKWAY=2C Boulder=2C Colorado (across the street from Naropa University=92s Paramita campus & the Boulder= Cork restaurant) http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=3DBoulder&state=3DCO&address=3D3030+O=92n= eal+Parkway&zipcode=3D80301 A Donation is requested=97 but All are welcome! A reception will follow the reading =A7 DIRECTIONS: O=92Neal Parkway is off 30th Street in north Boulder between Va= lmont & Iris. Turn East at the signs for STRATFORD PARK WEST. The communi= ty house is the one-story building with a fence leading down to the street= =2C half a block from 30th. Please park ONLY on O=92Neal Parkway=2C O=92Ne= al Circle=2C or in VISITOR spaces in the Stratford Park West lots. Please = do not park in any other nearby lots. Thank you. =A7 Maureen Owen=2C poet=2C editor and publisher=2C is the author of ten poetr= y titles=2C most recently Erosion=92s Pull from Coffee House Press=2C a fin= alist for the Colorado Book Award and the Balcones Poetry Prize. Her title = American Rush: Selected Poems was a finalist for the L.A. Times Book Prize = and her work AE (Amelia Earhart) was a recipient of the prestigious Before = Columbus American Book Award. Other books include Untapped Maps and Imagina= ry Income. She has had work most recently published in YAWP magazine=2C Col= umbia Review=2C and Thuggery & Grace. She currently teaches at Naropa Unive= rsity both on campus and in the low-residency MFA Creative Writing Program = and is editor of Naropa=92s on-line zine not enough night. Lisa Birman is the author of the poetry collection for that return passage = - A Valentine for the United States of America=2C and co-editor of the anth= ology Civil Disobediences - Poetry and Politics in Action. Lisa is the Dire= ctor of the Summer Writing Program and teaches poetry=2C prose=2C hybrid wr= iting=2C and collaboration in the Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetic= s at Naropa University. Laura Wright is a poet=2C librarian=2C and volunteer firefighter. She is the author of Part of the Design (Meeting Eyes Bindery=2C 2005) as well as various chapbooks. She recently co-edited=2C with Anne Waldman=2C B= eats at Naropa=2C an anthology of talks from the Kerouac School to be published this summer by Coffee House Press=3B her translation of Henri Michaux=92s L= a vie dans les plis (Life in the Folds) is forthcoming from Action Books.=20 =A7 If you no longer wish to receive email announcements of upcoming events in = the Stratford Park Reading Series=2C please email markducharme@hotmail.com = with the subject line "SPRS: REMOVE." =20 Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. See how. Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:35:54 -0700 Reply-To: steph484@pacbell.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Robert Frank via Leo Rubenfein Comments: To: Poetryetc , UK POETRY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the current issue of Art In America, Leo Rubenfein has written a very go= od piece on Robert Frank's, The Americans -=A0 this in association with the= Frank show that started from the National Gallery of Art In Washington.=A0= The show is just opening at San Francisco's MOMA. Rubenfein makes connections between Frank and the techniques of poets (part= icularly around the employment of images) who were active in Switzerland in= the early 40's before Frank came to the States. And how these practices in= formed his picture taking, including the sequencing of the work in the book= .=A0=20 Some of which may explain the impulsive enthrall by poets with the book whe= n it first appeared.=A0 In any case a real refreshing read.=20 Stephen V http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:17:47 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: jason snyder Subject: Sidebrow: Call For Submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sidebrow (http://www.sidebrow.net) =97 an online & print press dedicated to= innovation & collaboration =97 seeks fiction=2C poetry=2C art=2C essay=2C = ephemera=2C found text=2C & academia=2C as well as creative response to cur= rent posts and ongoing projects. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:25:33 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Steve McLaughlin Subject: Re: Creeley's Rainer Gerhardt? In-Reply-To: <1eba3dda0905121412h159f3cas141c49b480c382c4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gerhardt was a German poet who befriended Creeley by correspondence, and then in person when he and Ann were living in France in 1951. He also corresponded with Charles Olson, and translated Olson, Creeley, Pound, Williams and others. He published the magazine *Fragmente*, which included a story by Creeley in the second (and last) issue*. *He died in 1954, amid mounting debt and despair. A German-language tribute to Gerhardt can be found here . You can find more information in Creeley's essay "Rainer Gerhardt: A Note"and the "For Rainer Gerhardt"chapter in Ekbert Faas's biography of Creeley. -steve On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Lori Emerson wrote: > Hello, this is a bit embarrassing as I feel I should know this....but! > Would someone mind telling me about the Rainer Gerhardt to whom > Creeley dedicated a poem in For Love? > > THANK YOU! > Lori > > -- > Lori Emerson > Assistant Professor | Electropoetics Thread Editor, Electronic Book Review > Department of English, University of Colorado at Boulder > Hellems 101, 226 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0226 > http://www.colorado.edu/English/faculty/facpages/emerson.shtml > http://www.electronicbookreview.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:58:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Kyle Schlesinger Subject: Re: Creeley's Rainer Gerhardt? In-Reply-To: <1eba3dda0905121412h159f3cas141c49b480c382c4@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Fass might be the first (not last) stop. > From: Lori Emerson > Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" > Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:12:17 -0600 > To: > Subject: Creeley's Rainer Gerhardt? > > Rainer Gerhardt ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:15:18 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Reading for A Gathering of the Tribes #12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Come to A reading celebrating the publication of A Gathering of the Tribes #12 Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery btwn Houston & Bleecker 718-391-9220 1:30-3:30pm Featuring Margarita Drago, Bob Hart, Bob Holman, Philip Levine, Myrna Nieves, Wanda Phipps (with guitarist Stephen B. Antonakos), Paul Pines, Jill Rapaport, Hersh Silverman, Miriam Stanley http://www.bowerypoetry.com http://www.myspace.com/agatheringofthetribes http://www.tribes.org http://www.myspace.com/wandaphippsband http://www.myspace.com/homeboysteve -- Wanda Phipps Check out my websites: http://www.mindhoney.com and http://www.myspace.com/wandaphippsband My latest book of poetry Field of Wanting: Poems of Desire available at: http://www.blazevox.org/bk-wp.htm And my 1st full-length book of poems Wake-Up Calls: 66 Morning Poems available at:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/193236031X/ref=rm_item ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:47:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Sorry forgot the date MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The date for this reading is this coming Sunday, May 17th, 2009 Come to A reading celebrating the publication of A Gathering of the Tribes #12 Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery btwn Houston & Bleecker 718-391-9220 1:30-3:30pm Free Featuring Margarita Drago, Bob Hart, Bob Holman, Philip Levine, Myrna Nieves, Wanda Phipps (with guitarist Stephen B. Antonakos), Paul Pines, Jill Rapaport, Hersh Silverman, Miriam Stanley http://www.bowerypoetry.com http://www.myspace.com/agatheringofthetribes http://www.tribes.org http://www.myspace.com/wandaphippsband http://www.myspace.com/homeboysteve -- Wanda Phipps Check out my websites: http://www.mindhoney.com and http://www.myspace.com/wandaphippsband My latest book of poetry Field of Wanting: Poems of Desire available at: http://www.blazevox.org/bk-wp.htm And my 1st full-length book of poems Wake-Up Calls: 66 Morning Poems available at:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/193236031X/ref=rm_item ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 00:03:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: Boog City presents Dusie Press and the Dusie Players Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please forward ------------------ Boog City presents d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press Dusie Press (Switzerland) This Tues., May 19, 6:00 p.m. sharp, free ACA Galleries 529 W. 20th St., 5th Flr. NYC Event will be hosted by Dusie editor Susana Gardner Featuring readings from Cara Benson Elizabeth Bryant Annie Finch Susana Gardner Jennifer Karmin Nicole Mauro Marthe Reed Jessica Smith and the noise experiment poetics of the Dusie Players There will be wine, cheese, and crackers, too. Curated and with an introduction by Boog City editor David Kirschenbaum ------ **Dusie Press http://www.dusie.org/ The Dusie Kollektiv is made up of 50 poets who each produce a chapbook =20= for distribution among the kollektiv members. In past years, =20 participants have published their own chapbooks, but for this year, =20 the third of the kollektiv, members published one another's chapbooks =20= from author-editor combinations which were created randomly. Many =20 editors published their chapbook under the name of a small press with =20= which they were already affiliated, and some created small presses =20 just for the kollektiv. The point with the various names of press was =20= to reify ownership and flood the market with 50 new presses. Each year is different for the kollektiv, as every year there are =20 different participants. With that said, there are many loyal kollektiv =20= members who have been with the project since the first year. Change is =20= inevitable, and energy and enthusiasm are necessary, but ultimately it =20= is the group ethos which has kept them together and moving forward. =20 The project focuses more on process and risk, and writers have no =20 inhibition regarding publishing as it is a completely open platform =20 and all works get published. Also, the group exchange gives an extra =20 push in way of timeline and production, which also motivates creation. *Performer Bios* **Cara Benson http://www.necessetics.com/ Cara Benson edits the online journal Sous Rature. Her first full =20 length collection (made) is forthcoming from BookThug. Her chapbook =20 Quantum Chaos and Poems: A Manifest(o)ation (BookThug) co-won the 2008 =20= bpNichol Prize. Other chaps include He Writes (No Press), UP (Dusie =20 Kollectiv), and, with Kai Fierle-Hedrick and Kathrin Schaeppi, Spell/=20 ing ( ) Bound (ellectrique press). Benson edited the interdisciplinary =20= book Prediction (forthcoming from Chain). She lives and writes in the =20= analog world of upstate New York. **Elizabeth Bryant Elizabeth Bryant is the editor and publisher of the ongoing lit =20 experiment Defeffable, and CR79 Books. Her first full-length serial-=20 poem (nevertheless enjoyment is forthcoming this fall from Quale =20 Press, and her latest chapbook, Fluorescence Buzz, was published this =20= spring via the Dusie Kollektiv. She has new poems and interviews in =20 Dusie #8 and Gerry Mulligan, and a book review in the upcoming issue =20 of Jacket. She is also co-curator of the Bard Roving Reading Series. **Annie Finch http://www.anniefinch.com Annie Finch's books of poetry include The Encyclopedia of Scotland, =20 Eve, Calendars, and Among the Goddesses, as well as Shadow-Bird from =20 Dusie Kollektiv. She has also written or edited books about poetry, =20 most recently Multiformalisms: Postmodern Poetics of Form, A Poet's =20 Ear, and A Poet's Craft. She lives in Maine where she directs the =20 Stonecoast low-residency M.F.A. program in creative writing. **Susana Gardner Susana Gardner lives in Switzerland where she edits Dusie Press and =20 curates the Dusie Kollektiv. The author of several chapbooks, her =20 first book [lapse insel weary], was published by The Tangent Press. =20 She writes and translates and will soon begin a poetic reading series =20= as well at the DADA Haus--Cabaret Voltaire, Z=FCrich. **Jennifer Karmin Jennifer Karmin's text-sound epic, Aaaaaaaaaaalice, will be published =20= by Flim Forum Press this year. She curates the Red Rover Series and is =20= co-founder of the public art group Anti Gravity Surprise. Her =20 multidisciplinary projects have been presented nationally at =20 festivals, artist-run spaces, and on city streets. Karmin teaches =20 creative writing to immigrants at Truman College and works as a Poet-=20 in-Residence for the Chicago Public Schools. New poems are out in =20 Cannot Exist, MoonLit, Otoliths, Come Together: Imagine Peace (Bottom =20= Dog Press), and Not A Muse (Haven Books). **Nicole Mauro Nicole Mauro has published poems and criticism in numerous journals. =20 She is the author of the chapbooks Odes (Sardines), Dispatch (co-=20 authored with Marci Nelligan; Dusie), The Contortions (Dusie), and Tax-=20= Dollar Super-Sonnet (Pendergast/Dusie). She is the co-editor, with =20 Marci Nelligan, of an interdisciplinary book about sidewalks, =20 Intersection: Sidewalks and Public Space (ChainArts). Her first full-=20 length poetry collection, The Contortions, is due out from Dusie this =20= year. She lives in the San Francisco bay area with her husband =20 Patrick, and daughters Nina and Faye. She teaches rhetoric and writing =20= at the University of San Francisco. **Marthe Reed Marthe Reed=92s poetry has appeared in New American Writing, Golden =20 Handcuffs Review, New Orleans Review, and Sulfur, and in numerous e-=20 zines such as HOW2, MiPoesias, Exquisite Corpse, Aught, eratio, and =20 Moria. New work appears in Big Bridge and is forthcoming from Fairy =20 Tale Review. Her book, Tender Box, A Wunderkammer, is published by New =20= Orleans' Lavender Ink, and her chapbook (em)bodied bliss is published =20= by jimmie pennies press and Dusie Kollektiv. **Jessica Smith Jessica Smith is the editor of Outside Voices Press, an imprint of =20 Bootstrap Productions. She is the author of Organic Furniture Cellar. =20= She also edits Foursquare, a monthly women's poetry magazine. **The Dusie Players The noise experiment poetics of the Dusie Players will be strange and =20= experimental, unpredictable and odd. This will be the first =20 performance of its kind for Dusie Kollektiv participants and include =20 works of Dusie past, present, and future. ---- Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is bet. 10th and 11th avenues Next event: Tues. June 30 Effing Press (Austin, Texas) http://www.effingpress.com/ -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://welcometoboogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664)= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:35:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: Breakthrough in Berlin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _______________ BREAKTHROUGH IN BERLIN Saturday the 27th of June 2009 CALL FOR PROJECTS ... ** Description "Breakthrough" proposes an experimental, interdisciplinary event constructing a new field of research & play. "Breakthrough" signals the skewed extension & plain rupture with a series of earlier actions [in London, Bergen, Berlin] exploring the material basis of technology & expanding on the practice of life coding. The term "breakthrough" describes a sudden shift in understanding or technologies, & finally a clearing (Lichtung), an entry into unknown & unmapped territories. An enclosure is breached allowing access to another, totally unforeseen state or space. Communication is thus implied, a new form of exchange, perhaps between two otherwise unconnected domains, between the living & the dead, between many worlds. What does the sheer possibility of a "breakthrough" imply for communication between the past & the future? "Breakthrough," as event, signals a change in direction, a pointing towards new ways of actively describing & creating the world. Within a complex mise en scene of workshops, lectures & performances, diverse artists & poets, theorists, researchers, & hackers collaborate in the creation of a "breakthrough" which can rupture the enclosure of scientific rationalism & enlightenment without recourse to named magic. http://www.piksel.no/2009/05/breakthrough-saturday-27th-june-2009-call-for-= projects-berlin http://www.1010.co.uk/ ** Call for projects/actions: "Breakthrough" calls for projects which perform, describe & construct (in process) a rupture or breaking through of the projects of rationalism & endeavour of past or future intention. Projection & play with time space co-ordinate points is encouraged. Potential actions or investigations could very well extend into ... practical endophysics, sound & radio wave transitions, diagrammatic formation, clustering & islanding, simulations coding & exploration, biologic interface, crashing, brain writing, construction, environmental steganography, data forensics, escape hatch literature, novel geometry description, life coding, poetry coding, interrupt theatre, sexual coding, amateur radio astronomy, etc. "Breakthrough" will be prepared within a three day workshop in Berlin, towards the construction of a one day event distributed across the city of Berlin, & maintained with a strict scheduling & interrupt system backbone (micro-FM and Internet). 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:04:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pierre Joris Subject: Recent Nomadics Posts Comments: To: British-Irish List Comments: cc: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Check out these recent posts on Nomadics blog: = http://pierrejoris.com/blog=20 : =93Whisk! Don=92t Churn!=94 Concert @ Bowery Poetry Club =93Whisk! Don=92t Churn!=94 Reviews & more =93Counting to Infinity=94 Shown at Cannes Film Festival George Economou on C.P. Cavafy Translations Robin Blaser (1925-2009) Pierre Guyotat on =93Apostrophes=94 Ted & Alice Collages Ballard, Edwards, Peyrafitte & Waldman & enjoy spring! 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:29:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: The Haiku Foundation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _______________ THE HAIKU FOUNDATION http://www.thehaikufoundation.org Dear Friends: The Haiku Foundation, a nonprofit organization whose mission is to archive the accomplishments of the first century of haiku in English and to create greater opportunities for its second, was chartered in the state of Virginia, USA, on 6 January 2009. It is a volunteer organization primarily designed to create and implement projects centered around haiku. Most haiku organizations have privileged the poet and her needs: education, publication, socialization. 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In minimum, S=E9amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com http://www.mnartists.org/Seamas_Cain _______________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:14:21 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Andy Nicholson Subject: Re: Creeley's Rainer Gerhardt? In-Reply-To: <1eba3dda0905121412h159f3cas141c49b480c382c4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lori, I haven't read Gerhardt's poetry, but I know that he was a German poet who published a couple issues of a magazine called Fragmente that included a number of American poets and had an interest in Creeley's poetry. There's a chapter on the poem and on Creeley's relationship with Gerhardt in Ekbert Faas' book Robert Creeley: a Biography. The chapter starts on page 107 and is available through Google Books: http://books.google.com/books?id=ztPfosyWpeAC&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=%22rainer+gerhardt%22&source=bl&ots=2xqP0KST5j&sig=ls-sqt6gzbaUnI1GtLWk7RvQL78&hl=en&ei=EPcKStucAo6-NOrvuM8L&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3# Creeley also writes a short note about Gerhardt in his Collected Essays, available here: http://www.escholarship.org/editions/view?docId=ft4t1nb2hc&chunk.id=d0e10773&toc.depth=1&toc.id=d0e7777&brand=ucpress;query=rainer%20gerhardt#1 Hope that helps, Andy On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Lori Emerson wrote: > Hello, this is a bit embarrassing as I feel I should know this....but! > Would someone mind telling me about the Rainer Gerhardt to whom > Creeley dedicated a poem in For Love? > > THANK YOU! > Lori > > -- > Lori Emerson > Assistant Professor | Electropoetics Thread Editor, Electronic Book Review > Department of English, University of Colorado at Boulder > Hellems 101, 226 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0226 > http://www.colorado.edu/English/faculty/facpages/emerson.shtml > http://www.electronicbookreview.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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That would be co-optation, revolution only in the sense of a circulation of elites rather than the extirpation of the very impulses of elitism. To subscribe to 12-list, simply send a message with the word "subscribe" in the Subject: field to 12-list-request@eskimo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:13:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeff Gardiner Subject: Re: Creeley's Rainer Gerhardt? In-Reply-To: <1eba3dda0905121412h159f3cas141c49b480c382c4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Lori, He was a post-WWII German poet who published Fragmente. See Creeley's "Rainer Gerhardt: A Note" in Creeley's Collected Essays. Might also want to look at Olson's poem " To Gerhardt There, Among Europe's Things of Which He Has Written Us in His 'Brief an Creeley und Olson." Also, you can track Creeley and Olson discussing him in their correspondence. Jeff On May 12, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Lori Emerson wrote: > Hello, this is a bit embarrassing as I feel I should know this....but! > Would someone mind telling me about the Rainer Gerhardt to whom > Creeley dedicated a poem in For Love? > > THANK YOU! > Lori > > -- > Lori Emerson > Assistant Professor | Electropoetics Thread Editor, Electronic Book > Review > Department of English, University of Colorado at Boulder > Hellems 101, 226 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0226 > http://www.colorado.edu/English/faculty/facpages/emerson.shtml > http://www.electronicbookreview.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:22:43 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nicholas Ruiz III Subject: Kritikos V.6 March-April 2009 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kritikos V.6 March-April 2009 She is Late...(n.ruiz) http://intertheory.org/she.htm Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D Editor, Kritikos http://intertheory.org ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:14:46 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: drummer In-Reply-To: <533518.51576.qm@web111504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Anyone out there got an e-mail address for Coolidge? > George H. Bowering Wishes your happiness. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:19:18 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Prejsnar Subject: Re: Creeley's Rainer Gerhardt? Comments: cc: Lori Emerson In-Reply-To: <1eba3dda0905121412h159f3cas141c49b480c382c4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Lori, =C2=A0i'm sure others on the list know real substantive things about = RG, ... but who knows. maybe i'm wrong? =C2=A0the little i know, is: 1. Olson dedicated to him his poems, "To Gerhardt, There Among Europe's Thi= ngs of Which he has Written us in his 'Brief an Creeley und Olson' =C2=A0" = =C2=A0 and then "The Death of Europe (a funeral poem for Rainer M. Gerhardt= )" ...=C2=A0 2. as you might guess from all this, he was a poet very intensely concerned= with and responsive to US poets... 3. =C2=A0what else i've learned (and forgotten) =C2=A0i learned from the To= m Clark Olson bio, ... i don't have it with me, but one of the first places= i'd start would be the index to that.... (not a real popular book on this = list back when it came out ... but it has some usefulness, =C2=A0at the ver= y least...) mark prejsnar "I don't get paid or anything; it's more like....a calling." --Buffy Summers, on slaying (and, coincidentally, poetry) =C2=A0 -------------- Original message from Lori Emerson : -------------- > Hello, this is a bit embarrassing as I feel I should know this....but! > Would someone mind telling me about the Rainer Gerhardt to whom > Creeley dedicated a poem in For Love? >=20 > THANK YOU! > Lori >=20 > --=20 > Lori Emerson > Assistant Professor | Electropoetics Thread Editor, Electronic Book Revie= w > Department of English, University of Colorado at Boulder > Hellems 101, 226 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0226 > http://www.colorado.edu/English/faculty/facpages/emerson.shtml > http://www.electronicbookreview.com >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DThe Poetics List is moderated & does not acce= pt all posts. Check guidelines &=20 > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:39:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Steen Subject: Re: Creeley's Rainer Gerhardt? In-Reply-To: <1eba3dda0905121412h159f3cas141c49b480c382c4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Lori, From what I can find, Gerhardt was a German poet and friend of Creeley's in the early 50s. He published the small magazine, *Fragmente*, and translated two of Creeley's stories from *Gold Diggers* for its second issue in '52. Late in '51, C went to Freiburg to visit him, and the Fass, Trombacco, Mackinnon biographyhas a short chapter (12) on the visit--which included a lot of late night "conversation" and near fights--and the poem you mention in *For Love*, which Olson really liked. Mary Novik's *Robert Creeley: An Inventory* has several other references to Gerhardt--looks like C published a note on him in the *Pound Newsletter*, number 4 (October 1954). Hope this helps out, John Steen Dept. of Comparative Literature Emory University ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:02:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charlie Rossiter Subject: Poetry at the White House MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The reading at the White House I want to hear about will happen when all the poets who have been dis-invited or turned down invitations are asked to come and read...people like Sharon Olds and Sam Hamill come to mind. There are many more. Yours in Peace & Poetry, Charlie Rossiter ------- Poetry strengthens the community and honors the life of the spirit. Gary Snyder ------- www.poetrypoetry.com where you hear poems read by poets who wrote them www.myspace.com/charlierossiter hear Charlie as solo performance poet ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 19:23:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: drummer In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Calvin Coolidge returned absolutely no emails during his presidency, sry2say, earning the nickname "Silent Cal" and becoming the butt of many Twittered jokes by Dorothy Parker. On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:14 PM, George Bowering wrote: > Anyone out there got an e-mail address for Coolidge? > > > > > George H. Bowering >> > > Wishes your happiness. > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- This novel isn't suitable for you. The story is romantic and terrifying. Too gloomy. You should read something delightful. -- Stephen Chow in "Fight Back to School II" ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 19:48:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: 5 special events MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit steve's new 432 page collaboration with photographer jacques bisceglia reaching into the unknown is now available $50 great photos of everyone from duke ellington to sunra to william parker ayler taylor trane with poems to accompany each one backchannel steve hi everyone yuko and i will be out of town until the end of may hence the early invites Andrew Lampert, Steve Dalachinsky & Yuko Otomo invite you to join The world premiere of their new collaborative film: JACKA SPADES (a.k.a. GET THIS PICTURE HERE) (2009, Super 8mm, 34 minutes, black & white, sound) the second installment of Andrew Lampert’s ongoing TABLES TURNED trilogy followed by a poetry reading by Steve Dalachinsky & Yuko Otomo on Sunday, May 31, 2009 @ 8 P.M. $6 @ ISSUE PROJECT ROOM at the Old American Can Factory (232 3rd St. @3rd Ave., 3rd Fl., Brooklyn) Subway: F to Carroll St Walk east down 3rd St. over Gowanus Canal to 3rd Ave. (5 min walk) Subway F, M & R to Ninth St.-Fourth Ave. Stop Walk north on 4th Ave. west on 3rd St. to 3rd Ave. (5 min walk) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Lori Ellison & Sideshow Gallery invite you to join a reading by Vincent Katz Yuko Otomo Raphael Rubinstein on June 1, Monday, 7:00pm @ Sideshow Gallery (319 Bedford Ave, Williamsburg, Brooklyn) L train to Bedford Ave. stop (located on Bedford Ave. between S. 2 & S. 3 Sts.) Free _________________________________________________________________________ _________________ Tribes Gallery and Idea Kitchen presents steve dalachinsky reading and discussing his writing process and it's connection to music with host Patrick Brennan on saxophone Sunday June 7th 2 PM - 4PM @ Tribes Gallery 285 e. 3rd st. and ave. C (F to 2nd Ave, 21 bus to ave C and e.3rd st) FREE then at 5 PM steve, Yuko, Tsaurah, Tom and other poets meet at Carrol St near 3rd St in Brooklyn at 5PM for a poetry walk to end at Issue Project space by 6PM as part of a benefit for the space all welcome to join in _________________________________________________________________________ __________________________ June 12th at 8:15 PM - 9:30 as part of the 14th annual Vision Festival steve dalachinsky will read from his new collaborative book with photographer Jacques Bisceglia REACHING into the UNKNOWN at the Abronson Arts Center - 466 Grand St in the Experimental Theater with guest musicians William Parker, Joe McPhee, Roy Campbell, Sabir Mateen, Rob Brown and Hamis Drake preceeded at 7 by the Charles Gayle Trio and proceeded by Ras Moshe Joe Mcphee Matthew Shipp and others on the Main Stage $25 in advance $30 at the door for the entire nite - $20 for seniors and students ____________________________________________________________ Find top-rated Plumbers in your area. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:35:16 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Perman Subject: New BOOK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Room Press announces the publication of John Perlman's new book, IDIOLECT= S OF SILENCE, available in pdf format at johnperl@aol.com. Feel free to request a copy which is offered free as well. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:28:51 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Kane Subject: 'we saw the light: conversations between the new american poetry and cinema' In-Reply-To: <4bd394920905140821m4ce102c7ha44823f91ca84da6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...in case this strikes your fancy, my book "'We Saw The Light: Conversations Between the New American Cinema and Poetry" is available at a 20% discount from U of Iowa Press. Simply go to http://www.uiowapress.org/books/2009-spring/kane.htm and use the promo code IAKFB9 when ordering...hope some of you find it useful and interesting! The book looks at collaborations/influences between poets including O'Hara, Ashbery, Ginsberg, Creeley, and Lisa Jarnot and filmmakers including Robert Frank, Rudy Burckhardt, Kenneth Anger and Jennifer Reeves. best --daniel ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:20:34 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: Controversy in Dublin, Ireland Comments: cc: info@dublinwritersfestival.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _______________ Dublin Writers Festival http://www.dublinwritersfestival.com Dear Administrators, Once again the Dublin Writers Festival has excluded Irish-language writers from any meaningful participation in the Festival events and activities. This behaviour by the organizers is shameful, offensive, and imperious. Indeed, I call for a boycott of the Dublin Writers Festival. It is my intention to urge writers, artists, and other citizens (in Ireland, Britain, the U.S. and other countries) to withdraw any and all support from the Festival and its activities. I urge an earthquake of a protest campaign until there is a constructive remedy to this imperiousness! For creative diversity in Ireland, S=E9amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain 323 Fourth Street, Cloquet, Minnesota, U.S.A., 55720 - 2051 Phone (in North America) : 218.879.8628 _______________ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gabriel Rosenstock Date: Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM Subject: Dublin Festival Farce To: info@dublinwritersfestival.com Dublin Writers Festival http://www.dublinwritersfestival.com Greetings! I had hoped that the days of literary and linguistic apartheid were well over. Seemingly not. It would appear that your festival has boycotted Irish-language writers. How sad. Pathetic, really, given the fact that an anthology of contemporary Irish-language poetry and prose, AMANAIRIS, has appeared in Slovenian and was recently launched in the National Library, Dublin, and reported below in the Slovenian press. http://www.sta.si/en/vest.php?s=3Ds&id=3D1389165 Mise, gan m=F3r=E1n measa agam oraibh, Gabriel Rosenstock _______________ Boycott and protest against the Dublin Writers Festival! S=E9amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain _______________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:20:48 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Correction: Bill Luoma workshop change of date MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please note the change of date/time and oposing team for Bill Luoma's Summer workshop. Thanks! *Oakland A's /Detroit Tigers Game with Bill Luoma *Oakland Coliseum Saturday August 22nd 3:45pm workshop/6:05pm game $40 includes admission to the game and a baseball to take home/ $30 students and members -- Samantha Giles Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center sptraffic.org smallpresstraffic.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:51:39 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: maxpaul@SFSU.EDU Subject: New American Writing #27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now available: NEW AMERICAN WRITING #27 with work from Mahmoud Darwish on Edward Said, Ben Lerner on Barbara Guest, Etel Adnan, Sylvia Legris, Phillip Foss, Clayton Eshleman, Ray Ragosta, Caroline Knox, Laynie Brown, Jennifer Pilch, Ales Steger, Brian Henry GC Waldrep, Brandon Shimoda, John Olson, Leonard Schwartz, Gassan Zaqtan, Fady Joudah, Rachel Loden, Sharon Dolin, Edward Smallfield, Joshua Kryah, Amy Pence, Linh Dinh, and many others. Cover by David Maisel from "Library of Dust." Available through our website by credit card (eventually) or by check to New American Writing, 369 Molino Avenue, Mill Valley CA 94941 ($15) or $36 for 3 issues. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:57:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: Last Call to Advertise in Boog City 57 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please forward ------------------ Advertise in Boog City 57 featuring Urban Folk 20 **Deadlines** =97Space Reservations-Email to reserve ad space ASAP =97Fri. May 22-Submit Ad or Ad Materials =97Sun. May 31-Distribute Paper This is a quick note to see if you=92d like to advertise and reach our =20= readership. (Donations are also cool, way cool.) We=92ll be distributing 2,250 copies of the issue throughout the East =20= Village and other parts of lower Manhattan; Williamsburg and =20 Greenpoint, Brooklyn; and at Boog City events. ----- Advertise your small press's newest publications, your own titles or =20 upcoming readings, or maybe salute an author you feel people should be =20= reading, with a few suggested books to buy. And musical acts, =20 advertise your new albums, indie labels your new releases. Take advantage of our indie discount ad rate. We are once again =20 offering a 50% discount on our 1/8-page ads, cutting them from $80 to =20= $40. The discount rate also applies to larger ads. For our full rate card, please visit: http://welcometoboogcity.com/ad_rates.pdf Email editor@boogcity.com or call 212-842-BOOG (2664) for more =20 information. as ever, David --=20 David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W. 28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://welcometoboogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664)= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:47:33 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project May Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends, =20 Creating time and space for poets to present their work to an open audience is at the heart of the Project=B9s existence. This week=B9s readings serve as our Spring fundraiser and attending these events is a perfect way to show how exuberantly you support poetry and The Poetry Project! We love a full house but if you can=B9t make it please consider making a $25 donation (about the price of 3 admissions) here . And check out our blog for a new post from guest blogger Edwin Torres, Star Black=B9s photos from Kenward Elmslie=B9s 80th Birthday Reading and a video clip of Ruxandra Cesereanu & Andrei Codrescu reading from FORGIVEN SUBMARINE. And scroll all the way down for information on upcoming screenings of a new Ed Bowes film at the Douglas Dunn Studio. Love,=20 The Project crew Thursday, May 14, 8 PM John Ashbery John Ashbery was born in Rochester, New York in 1927. His Notes from the Air: Selected Later Poems (Ecco, 2007) won the 2008 Griffin International Prize for Poetry. The Landscapist, his collected translations of the poetry of Pierre Martory, was published in 2008 by Sheep Meadow Press in the Unite= d States and Carcanet in the United Kingdom. The Library of America published the first volume of his Collected Poems in fall 2008. This will be his only solo reading in the NYC area during winter/spring of 2009, and the first on= e since his appearance at the 92nd Street Y this past October to celebrate th= e Library of America volume. John Ashbery will be guest introduced by Charles North. This event will be held in the Sanctuary of St. Mark=B9s Church. Friday, May 15, 6:30 PM and 8 PM My Vocabulary Did This To Me: Panel & Reading For The Collected Jack Spicer This special event is to honor seminal West Coast poet Jack Spicer (1925-1965). My Vocabulary Did This to Me (edited by Peter Gizzi and Kevin Killian) is a landmark publication of this essential poet=B9s life work, and includes poems that have become increasingly hard to find. 6:30pm: Panel in the Parish Hall with Dodie Bellamy, Samuel R. Delany, Kevi= n Killian, Jennifer Moxley & George Stanley. Moderated by Kevin Killian. 8:00pm: Reading in the Sanctuary with Dodie Bellamy, Anselm Berrigan, Julia= n T. Brolaski, CAConrad, Samuel R. Delany, Peter Gizzi, Kevin Killian, Basil King, Douglas A. Martin, Deborah Remington, Harris Schiff, Rod Smith, Georg= e Stanley, Lewis Warsh & Karen Weiser. Co-presented with Poets House Monday, May 18, 8 PM Talk Series=20 Carolee Schneemann on Mysteries of the Iconographies Carolee Schneemann is a multidisciplinary artist who has transformed the very definition of art, with work encompassing painting, film, performance and installation. Her works have been shown internationally, as well as at the LA Museum of Contemporary Art, the Hirshhorn Museum D.C., the Whitney Museum of American Art, the Museum of Modern Art, NYC. In 2007, a dual exhibit at CEPA Gallery, Buffalo NY & MOCCA Toronto featured recent video installations. Electronic Arts Intermix NYC and Anthology Film Archives NYC collaborated on presentations of newly restored and current film & videos November 2007. Correspondence Course is forthcoming from Duke University Press. In 2002 Imaging Her Erotics =AD Essays, Interviews, Projects was published by MIT Press; previous published books include More Than Meat Joy= : Complete Performance Work and Selected Writing (1979, 1997); ABC-We Print Anything-In The Cards; Cezanne, She Was A Great Painter (1976). Wednesday, May 20, 8 PM Paul LaFarge & Jacqueline Waters Paul LaFarge is the author of three books, The Artist of the Missing, Haussmann, or the Distinction, and The Facts of Winter. He has written essays on Hannah Arendt, phrenology, and the game Dungeons & Dragons, among other topics. He is working on a project about flight in America. Jacquelin= e Waters is the author of a book, A Minute without Danger (Adventures in Poetry), and a chapbook, The Garden of Eden a College (A Rest Press). Recen= t work has appeared in No: A Journal of the Arts and Zoland Poetry. She is an editor of The Physiocrats, a new pamphlet press: ThePhysiocrats.com. (Lisa Robertson=B9s reading, originally scheduled for this date, has been postponed) Entanglement a new film by ed bowes This Sunday - Two Showings Only May 17, 2009=20 9 pm 10:30 pm at the Douglas Dunn Studio 541 Broadway (between Prince and Spring), Third Floor Suggested Donation: $10 general public, $5 students Open seating; no advance reservations For info, call 212 966 6999 Entanglement (70 minutes) is a story about how we think, what we want, the ways of our visual memory, the patterns and phrases that float through our minds. Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.org/become-a-member Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.org/program-calendar The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.org www.poetryproject.org Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=B9d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a line at info@poetryproject.org. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 00:54:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: First Twitter Message From Space Sent In-Reply-To: <814322.41842.qm@web57205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- On Thu=2C 5/14/09=2C SPACE.com wrote: First Twitter Message From Space Sent http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/090514-sts125-space-tweet.html ------------------------------------------------------------ Visit http://www.SPACE.com - Something Amazing Every Day _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto= rial_Storage1_052009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:44:01 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: UbuWeb Subject: UbuWeb Blog Comments: To: ubuweb@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii UbuWeb is now blogging about new resources on the site, focusing on lost gems and shedding light on some of the things you may have missed or might not have been aware exist in the vastness of the archive. Think of it as a textual analogy to the UbuWeb Podcasts or our monthly guest-curated Featured Resources but it happens a whole lot more frequently. http://ubuweb.tumblr.com/ UbuWeb http://ubu.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:12:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: EATING Kafka . . . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rauan Klassnik did two interviews with me on the delicious earlobes of Kafka and my new book THE BOOK OF FRANK for THE HOLY LANG and HTML GIANT websites. Both can be found here: http://CAConradINTERVIEWS.blogspot.com -- PhillySound: new poetry http://PhillySound.blogspot.com THE BOOK OF FRANK by CAConrad http://CAConrad.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:21:03 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Troy Camplin Subject: Call for Submissions -- Emerson Institute In-Reply-To: <685112.36042.qm@web33401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Emerson Institute for Freedom and Culture is looking for poetry, short = fiction, plays, songs, scripts, and criticism for its upcoming issue online= . =0A=0AThe Emerson Institute promotes natural classicism, understanding so= ciety as a spontaneous order, evolution, and emergence. =0A=0APlease send a= ll submissions in attachments responding to this email. Thank you.=0A=0ATro= y Camplin, Ph.D.=0APresident, The Emerson Institute for Freedom and Culture= =0Awww.emersoninstitute.org=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:11:24 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: ELVIS separates eggs reunites eggs essential eggs essential music MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit POETS OFF POETRY invited me to write about ADVANCED ELVIS COURSE here: http://pop.coldfrontmag.com/2009/05/one-essay-one-poem-poets-off-poetry-a-mostly-monthly--series-where-poets-write-about-what-theyve-been-listening-to-la.html Advanced ELVIS Course is NOW AVAILABLE in stores now from Soft Skull Press details here http://AdvancedELVIS.blogspot.com CAConrad -- PhillySound: new poetry http://PhillySound.blogspot.com THE BOOK OF FRANK by CAConrad http://CAConrad.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:29:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: susan maurer Subject: book submission Susan Maurer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone out there who has just been waiting for a book mss. from me=2C just = backchannel. I have 6 little books=2C 2 letterpress broadsides=2C 4 Pushcar= t nominations and had poems published over 400 times in 14 countries. Also = interested in pooling experiences with others who are on this route. Hear m= e read on Hypster. Good luck to all of us. Susan Maurer=20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut= orial_WhatsNew1_052009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:49:21 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jane Sprague Subject: New from Palm Press: David Buuck's THE SHUNT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Palm Press is pleased to announce the publication of David Buuck's = full-length collection of poetry: The Shunt The Shunt provocatively explores one of our most ordinary experiences of = social discomfort-embarrassment for the flailing comedian and his all = too visible affective labor-in a strikingly intelligent and utterly = heartbreaking way. For all its acerbic tonality, The Shunt's affective = agenda is thus the exact opposite of ironic cynicism, which is one of = this brilliantly discomforting book's most delightful surprises.-Sianne = Ngai With its stutters, fractures, puns, sarcasms, and ironies, The Shunt is = part of a cluster of books recently written by US poets attempting to = understand what it means to live in a country that is constantly bombing = other countries. But with its relentless attention to the group = psychosis that this state of siege induces in US citizens, The Shunt is = also something sui generis. This is your brain on war. --Juliana Spahr In a blow-up doll of "meaty-ations," David Buuck's "pre-enactments" push = us over a speed hump--a "World Wide Wedge" whose word-wilding labors to = de-desertify globalization as it runs on "war dash time." Split betwixt = Ginsberg and Prince, paranomasia and stutter, every page of this = "writing degree Xanax" will remind you to take your meds from a (n = undisclosed) place in the bunk-bed of history.--Judith Goldman The Shunt by David Buuck 102 pages perfectbound $15.00 ISBN 978-0-9789262-8-1 Available directly from Palm Press www.palmpress.org and from SPD,Small Press Distriubution =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:50:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Paul Siegell Subject: Press 1 for STS9 > broadside Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi, The publishers of Press 1 recently created a fascinating broadside=20 out of my poem, *05.26.07 =96 Sound Tribe Sector 9 =96 Electric Factory, = PA*=20 You may find it, and other works, here: http://paulsiegell.blogspot.com/ Enjoy your weekend, Paul =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:11:15 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: May 22-23: Poetry in Philly MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FRIDAY, MAY 22 =20 7:30pm Moles Not Molar presents ISH KLEIN=20 MATTHEW KLANE=20 JENNIFER KARMIN performing with Adam Fieled & Michelle Taransky at the CRANE ARTS COMMUNITY SPACE 1400 N. American Street -- Philly, PA two blocks north of Girard Ave. between 2nd & 3rd http://www.cranearts.com Ish Klein's poems have been published in Bridge,The Canary, Gare du Nord, T= he Hat magazine, X-connect, Spork and Gut Cult. Her book, "Union!" came o= ut April 2009 through the Canarium Press. Her films have screened all ov= er the world and at Philadelphia's ICA. You can see some of them on youtub= e by searching =E2=80=9Cishkleinfilms.=E2=80=9D Matthew Klane is founder and editor of Flim Forum Press. His new book is B_= ____ Meditations (Stockport Flats Press, 2008). Other recent work can be fo= und in Absent, Otoliths, Open Letters Monthly and The New Chief Tongue. He = currently lives and writes in Albany, New York. http://www.matthewklane.blo= gspot.com. Jennifer Karmin's text-sound epic, Aaaaaaaaaaalice, will be published by Fl= im Forum Press in 2009. She curates the Red Rover Series and is co-founder = of the public art group Anti Gravity Surprise. Her multidisciplinary projec= ts have been presented nationally at festivals, artist-run spaces, and on c= ity streets. New poems are published in Cannot Exist, Otoliths, Come Toget= her: Imagine Peace (Bottom Dog Press) and Not A Muse (Haven Books). The goal of Moles Not Molar is to put writers and artists pursuing exciting= , innovative and experimental textual projects into contact and dialogue wi= th each other and their diverse audiences, creating exposure and engagement= across regional and generic lines. http://www.molesnotmolar.com *** A N D *** SATURDAY, MAY 23 7pm Flim Forum Press presents EMILY ABENDROTH ELI DRABMAN ERIC GELSINGER JENNIFER KARMIN MATTHEW KLANE at ROBIN'S BOOKSTORE 108 South 13th Street -- Philly, PA http://www.robinsbookstore.com Emily Abendroth is a writer and artist, alternately residing in the San Fra= ncisco Bay Area and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (where she co-curates the Mo= les Not Molar Reading & Performance Series). Recent work of hers can be fou= nd in Encyclopedia (Volume 2), Pocket Myths: The Odyssey Edition, horse les= s review, eco-poetics, and Cut & Paint. Her chapbook, Toward Eadward Forwar= d, was published by horse less press this past November (2008)and a chunky = excerpt from her book-length work-in-progress Muzzle Blast Dander can be fo= und in Volume 3 of the Chain Links book series, Refuge/Refugee. Eli Drabman's chapbook, the ground running, was published by Atticus/Finch.= He wrote about Michael Cross for ON: Contemporary Practice and has work i= n P-QUEUE. He is also a musician.=20 Eric Gelsinger is one of the founding members of House Press, a Buffalo col= lective/diaspora of poets, artists, and musicians. His latest book is calle= d Hooter. He regularly blogs his insights, critical reviews, and various cr= eative outbursts at gelsingers.blogspot.com. He lives in Brooklyn, NYC. Bios for Jennifer Karmin and Matthew Klane are listed above (see May 22). Flim Forum Press provides space to emerging poets working in a variety of e= xperimental modes. Flim Forum volumes include two anthologies Oh One Arrow= and A Sing Economy, and The Alps by Brandon Shimoda. http://flimforum.blogspot.com http://flimforum.com =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:55:28 -0400 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Buuck Subject: BARGE/Mission17 event 5/20 6-8pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please join Mission17 Gallery & BARGE as we host another event in conjuncti= on with the current =E2=80=9C17 Reasons Why=E2=80=9D exhibit, an ongoing re= sidency exploring the cultural politics of the Mission district, hosted by = David Buuck & BARGE. Writers, artists, & activists Erick Lyle, Kari Orvik, = and Nick Pagoulatos will present recent work related to the Mission Distric= t and anti-gentrification struggles in San Francisco. There will be food, d= rinks, and conversation as well, so please come by! Erick Lyle is a writer, musician, activist, and zine editor. He is the auth= or of *On the Lower Frequencies: A Secret History of the City* (Soft Skull)= , and since 1991 has edited the influential zine *Scam.* He has published w= ork in a wide variety of cultural and political publications, performed in = numerous bands, and worked with the Coalition on Homelessness in San Franci= sco. He spent much of the 90=E2=80=99s hopping freight trains around the co= untry and living without electricity in abandoned buildings. For most of 15= years, now, though, he has resided mostly in San Francisco. Kari Orvik is a San Francisco photographer whose work in low-income housing= led her to start creating public portraiture projects. Like a portable JC = Penney, she has set up on-site photo studios in SRO=E2=80=99s, on rooftops = and on the street, where community members can get formal portraits for the= ir own use. Displaying these portraits in public spaces has been a way to r= ecognize as members of the community everyone who lives, works, hangs out i= n or passes through our public spaces. In 2007 she received a San Francisco= Arts Commission Grant for her photo and video project Mission Portrait Stu= dio. Nick Pagoulatos is the Community Planning & Development Director at Dolores= Street Community Services, and the Coordinator for MAC, the Mission Anti-D= isplacement Coalition, whose goal is to stop the displacement of working cl= ass people in the Mission District and San Francisco. He has also worked as= the Project Director for St. Peter=E2=80=99s Housing Committee and at the = Mission Economic Development Agency on community planning, economic develop= ment, and land use issues. With a background in housing law and tenant advo= cacy, he holds a J.D. from the New College of California. Wed. May 20, 6-8pm Mission17 Gallery 2111 Mission Street @ 17th, 4th floor mission17.org buuckbarge.wordpress.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:01:55 +1200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lisa Samuels Subject: Re: 'we saw the light: conversations between the new american poetry and cinema' In-Reply-To: <4bd394920905140828h46111551ja71d9f8c9369f437@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel's book is indeed very interesting, plus it's beautifully produced & splendidly written in there's-a-real-person-there smart sparkly prose. Lisa On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:28 AM, Daniel Kane wrote: > ...in case this strikes your fancy, my book "'We Saw The Light: > Conversations Between the New American Cinema and Poetry" is available at a > 20% discount from U of Iowa Press. Simply go to > http://www.uiowapress.org/books/2009-spring/kane.htm and use the promo > code > IAKFB9 when ordering...hope some of you find it useful and interesting! The > book looks at collaborations/influences between poets including O'Hara, > Ashbery, Ginsberg, Creeley, and Lisa Jarnot and filmmakers including Robert > Frank, Rudy Burckhardt, Kenneth Anger and Jennifer Reeves. > best > --daniel > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 02:17:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: BlazeVOX 2k9 Late Spring 2009 now available Comments: To: Poetryetc poetry and poetics , British & Irish poets Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable BlazeVOX 2k9 Late Spring 2009 Now online: http://www.blazevox.org Now online: http://www.blazevox.org Featuring mez breeze (web) Rachael Stanford Brooks Johnson Patrick Chapman Aaron Anstett Abby Stringer Scott Abels Adam Siegel adam strauss Alec Newman Andy Frazee A.D.Hitchin Ashley VanDoorn Dennis Barone Alex Stolis Brian Hardie Christie Ann Reynolds Constance Stadler Curt Hopkins Darren Caffrey David Tolkacz David Wolach Dion Farquhar Donald Illich Ed Baker Felino Soriano Glenn R. Frantz John C. Goodman James Brown Jan Imgrund Jay Snodgrass Jennifer H. Fortin Joe Hall John Pursley III John Moore Williams Tom Jenks Karen Sandhu Tony Leuzzi Letitia Trent Larry Gaffney Luca Penne Nick Demske Mike Lyne Mark Cunningham Matt Specht Michael Bernstein Michael Estabrook Michael James Martin Michael Opperman mike ruddick Myl Schulz Naomi Tarle Nathan Hauke Nina Corwin Paul Siegell Paul Sutton Dawn Christopher Pete Miller Rachel Weekes Raymond Farr RM Vaughan Richard Spuler Rodney Nelson Steffi Drewes Travis Cebula Tyler Carter Luke Moldof Sam Schild BuffaloFOCUS : Paul Hogan Now online: http://www.blazevox.org/ Ebook : Yukon Rumination: Great Fun for All in the Land of Sarah Palin=B9s Joe Sixpac= k Alaska by Jennifer C. Wolfe BlazeVOX 2k9 Now online: http://www.blazevox.org This is an excellent issue, our largest ever! I was busy picking and choosing for this issue while recovering. It was particularly irksome to no= t be able to fully edit as my heart wanted to do, but I was able to dedicate = a bit more time to the selection process. So hurray! We have work from writer= s at every stage in their career, from first publications to mid career to th= e well established! There is a delightful interplay between all of these pieces that move around the vastness of contemporary poetry. Our goal is to present poetry that does not suck. This is the only criteria for our journal, well that and an interpretive freedom on the part of the contemporary poet, prose poet or fiction writer, with exponents of a wide range of viewpoints brought together to explore. And in that exploration we do not mean one specific interpretive approach. However, the freedom for a poet to come at the poem from a view that might well be extremely unusual but is actually bound up firmly with the content of the poem =8B an approach that is centered on communicating that content with as much impact and individuality as possible. And with that, I think you will be extremely pleased with this issue! BlazeVOX [books] BlazeVOX [books] presents innovative fictions and wide ranging fields of contemporary poetry. We have over 100 titles that will satisfy any taste. Please browse our works and read a 15-page sample of each title. We also have 60 full ebooks, which are all free here. But if it is free poetry you want, check out our 500-page full sample book, which you may download here. What are you waiting here for? Get reading :-) Our Full Catalog of books: http://www.blazevox.org/catalog.htm New BlazeVOX books: Celia Gilbert Something To Exchange Barbara Henning THIRTY MILES TO ROSEBUD Janna Plant The Refinery Alejandro Crawford Morpheu Dan Featherston The Radiant World JJ Colagrande HEADZ Laura Hinton Sisyphus My Love Nico Vassilakis Disparate Magnets Joseph Cooper Touch Me Michael Basinski (ed.) Gerald Locklin: A Critical Introduction. Chuck Richardson Smoke Caty Sporleder Flay, A Book of Mu Gregory Lawless I Thought I was New Here Zachary Bush The Angles of Disorder Jefferson Hansen =8A and Beefheart Saved Craig Larissa Shmailo In Param Forthcoming Books: Jared Schickling O John Sakkis Rude Girl Michael Gessner ARTIFICIAL LIFE Amy King Slaves do these things Craig Paulenich Blood Will Tell Sarah Sarai The Future Is Happy david wirthlin Your Disappearance Derek Pollard Inconsequentia Garin Cycholl Hostile Witness Bill Howe translanations one Jessica Baron The Best Word for the Job of Mourning John Vick Chaperons of a Lost Poet John Woods The Complete Collection: Of People Places an= d Things Katrinka Moore Thief Marc Pietrzykowski The Logic of Clouds Marcus Slease GODZENIE Nicholas Hayes NIV: 39 & 27 Nicolas Mansito III 3rd & 7th Rich Murphy Phoems for Mobil Vices Steve Langan Meet Me at the Happy Bar Matt Jasper Moth Moon Timothy David Orme Catalogue of Burnt Text Tom Holmes Henri, Sophie, & The Hieratic Head of Ezra Pound: Goro Takano With One More Step Ahead Order from us: http://www.blazevox.org/order.htm You may also make a donation to BlazeVOX [books] and we will send you the book of your choice for $15. This includes shipping and is for folks the continental United States. To order, click on the Paypal button below. Please indicate which title you wish in your Paypal payment. You can also make a donation for a big block of BlazeVOX [books] - 10 books for $100. If I may be of any assistance please email me directly at editor@blazevox.org. Best, Geoffrey Gatza | Editor & Publisher | BlazeVOX [books] =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 00:41:52 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Penton Subject: Announcing The First Annual WRITE REAL GOOD Poetry Chapbook Contest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's finally here! Our new print arm, Unlikely Books, is now operating at full speed, producing such beautiful volumes as Belinda Subraman's //Blue Rooms, Black Holes, White Lights// ( http://www.unlikelystories.org/subraman0209.shtml ) and Anne Lombardo Ardolino's forthcoming //I Can Sing Fire//. We are now holding a contest to find one chapbook of superior poetry to add to our 2009 catalog. The contest's winner will receive publication and 20 free copies, additional copies cheap, and a unique marketing campaign including audiovisual "movie trailers," review copies, and promotion at one of the Web's longest-running 'zines. Oh, and **$250 cash**. All entrants will receive their choice of 2009's Unlikely Books. So prepare 20-30 pages of poetry, $15 US, and head over to http://www.unlikelystories.org/writerealgood1.shtml for the first chapbook poetry contest that is actually cool, ever. Because if you don't WRITE REAL GOOD, what good is it? -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 06:02:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Perlman Subject: New Book by John Perlman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Room Press announces the publication of John Perlman's new book, IDIOLECT= S OF SILENCE, available in pdf format at johnperl@aol.com. Feel free to request a copy which is offered free as well. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 15:29:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Dan Wilcox Subject: Third Thursday Poetry Night: May 21 - Rebecca Schumejda Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed the Poetry Motel Foundation presents Third Thursday Poetry Night at the Social Justice Center 33 Central Ave., Albany, NY Thursday, May 21 7:00 sign up; 7:30 start Featured Poet: Rebecca Schumejda Rebecca Schumejda=92s newest collection of poems =93Falling Forward=94 = was =20 published by sunnyoutside in February. Currently, she is working on a =20= collection of poems exploring the pool hall subulture. She lives in =20 the Hudson Valley with her husband and daughter & works as a teacher =20 at an alternative high school. -- with open mic for community poets before & after the feature: =20 $3.00 donation, suggested; more if you got it, less if you can=92t.=20 Your busy host: Dan Wilcox. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:22:10 -0400 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Buuck Subject: Buuck/BARGE in LA 5/23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey there- I'll be giving a 'performance lecture' of some sort next Sat, featuring rec= ent BARGE projects, with the amazing Liz Glynn, as part of the General Proj= ects series at Outpost for Contemporary Art. Hope you can come out--- David Buuck & Liz Glynn Saturday, May 23 from 4-7pm at Outpost for Contemporary Art 6375 N. Figueroa Street Los Angeles, CA 90042 (323) 982-9461 http://www.outpost-art.org/ Liz Glynn is an LA-based artist who explores the ambition of empire and the= pleasure of ruin. Her practice seeks to embody dynamic cycles of growth an= d decay, and to propose direct action through sculptural material. Recent w= orks include the 24 Hour Roman Reconstruction Project at the New Museum, an= d the In the Beginning is the End, a Processional for Los Angeles in Chinat= own. Her work has also been presented at venues including Acuna-Hansen Gall= ery (LA), John Connolly Presents (NYC), and Beta Level (Los Angeles), and w= ill be included in an upcoming project at the Los Angeles County Museum of = Art. She received her MFA from California Institute of the Arts, and her BA= from Harvard College. http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/liz-glynn/=20 BARGE (the Bay Area Group in Enviro-aesthetics) was started by David Buuck = in 2003. BARGE has organized several (de)tours around the Bay Area, investi= gating regional sites & spaces that are underrepresented & overlooked in mo= re conventional touristic, commercial, & socio-political notions of place &= public space. BARGE investigates how vernacular landscapes =E2=80=94 from = highways & billboards to waterfronts & public utilities, from industrial lo= ts & server farms to military bases & surveillance zones =E2=80=94 are cons= tructed & inhabited, while also exploring the ways in which engaged psychog= eography can provide new modes of counter-tourism & activism. Recent invest= igations include "Buried Treasure Island" (Yerba Buena Center for the Arts,= 2008), "17 Reasons Why" (Mission17 Gallery, 2009), & "Matta-Clark Parks" (= Root Division Gallery, 2009). *The Shunt* is just out from Palm Press (palm= press.org), and recent writing has appeared in SITE/CITE/CITY (2008), Artwe= ek, Bombay Gin, With+Stand, Try, & elsewhere. buuckbarge.wordpress.com / da= vidbuuck.com/barge =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 21:36:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Eric Elshtain Subject: New Beard of Bees Chapbook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beard of Bees is pleased with its latest number: Mothers, Daughters & Nightbirds by Martine Bellen http://www.beardofbees.com/bellen.html "...with collapsed space our dervish halts..." Eric Elshtain Editor Beard of Bees Press http://www.beardofbees.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:02:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Chace Subject: Reading in Philadelphia--Ron Silliman and Joel Chace MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks: I'm reading in Philly this coming Tuesday evening. The other reader is the great American poet and critic Ron Silliman. I'm more than honored and delighted to be on the bill with Ron! See the link, below, for details. All Best, Joel Chace http://www.robinsbookstore.com/events/051909-7.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:48:15 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Visual Poetry flickr slideshow with many new works MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.flickr.com/photos/chirotzer0/sets/72157618302466170/show/ this slideshow has lot of works done in the last 3 weeks or so-- scenes never before seen nor heard of! as Lazarillo de Tormes puts it enjoy! dbC _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 15:47:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Steve Evans Subject: Attention Span Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Wanted to let Poetics folks who might've enjoyed past installments know that another Attention Span is gradually unfolding in blog format here http://thirdfactory.wordpress.com/ and http://thirdfactory.wordpress.com/attention-span-directory/ It will eventually join its predecessors here http://www.thirdfactory.net/attentionspan.html Best wishes to all, Steve * Associate Professor of English Graduate Program Coordinator National Poetry Foundation 313 Neville Hall University of Maine Orono, Maine 04469 207-581-3818 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:01:18 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Krystal Languell Subject: Call for Submissions: Bone Bouquet, a new online journal of women's poetry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Bone Bouquet is a biannual online journal of women's poetry. We seek to publish the best new writing by female poets, from artists both established and emerging. We are especially interested in work that is unpredictable, poems that have both sass and authority. We are currently seeking submissions for our first issue, which will appear as a downloadable .pdf at bonebouquet.wordpress.com in January 2010. Please send up to five pages of your best work to bonebouquet@gmail.com. Your work should appear as an .rtf attachment or in the body of the email. Also include a short (50 word) biographical note. Simultaneous submissions are fine, as long as we are notified when work is accepted elsewhere. The reading period will remain open through October 15, 2009. Some female poets we admire include Catherine Bowman, Mary Ruefle, Eula Biss, and Denise Duhamel. All best, Krystal Languell Editor, Bone Bouquet ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 18:17:38 -0400 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: two upcoming (ottawa) poetry events; lovingly hosted by rob mclennan at The Carleton Tavern (upstairs) 223 Armstrong (at Parkdale) 1) Monday, May 25, 2009 readings by Clint Burnham (Vancouver), Christine Stewart (Edmonton), Ken Belford (Prince George), Peter Midgley (Edmonton) & Michelle Smith (Edinburgh) http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2009/05/reading-by-five-out-of-towners-burnham.html 2) Friday, May 29, 2009 readings by Elizabeth Bachinsky (Vancouver), Matt Rader (Vancouver) and Marcus McCann (Ottawa) http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2009/05/second-event-of-out-of-towners-mostly.html doors open at 7pm, with readings at 7:30pm info: rob @ 613 239 0337 -- writer/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project ...novel - white www.abovegroundpress.blogspot.com * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 04:38:56 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Fieled Subject: PFS Post: Jason Bredle, Jean Vengua, me! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out splendid new work from Chicago's Jason Bredle, California's Jean = Vengua, and two new sonnets from "moi" on PFS Post: =A0 http://www.artrecess.blogspot.com =A0 And please do check out Chimes as well: =A0 http://www.blazevox.org/bk-af.htm =A0 Peace Out, Strawberry Fields, Ad=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:59:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Kelleher Subject: Literary Buffalo Newsletter 05.18.09-05.24.09 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII LITERARY BUFFALO 05.18.09-05.24.09 BABEL 2009-2010 SEASON SUBSCRIPTIONS ON SALE NOW=21 Scroll down for details EVENTS THIS WEEK Visit the Literary Buffalo calendar at www.justbuffalo.org for more detaile= d info on these events. All events free and open to the public unless other= wise noted. 05.20.09 Talking Leaves...Books Poetry reading/book signing with Anonymous of Elmwood Wednesday, May 20, 7:00 PM Talking Leaves Books, 3158 Main St. 05.21.09 Western New York Book Arts Collaborative GRAND OPENING=21 Plus First Members? Exhibition Summer workshops to be announced, plus: SPECIAL SURPRISE ANNOUNCEMENT=21 Thursday, May 21, 6:00 PM Western New York Book Arts Collaborative Building 468 Washington (=40 the corner of Mohawk) Talking Leaves...Books Discussion/booksigning with UB Professor Henry Louis Taylor, Jr. Thursday, May 21,7:00 PM Talking Leaves Books, 3158 Main St. __________________________________________________________________________= BABEL 2009-10 SUBSCRIPTIONS ON SALE NOW. October 9, A.S. Byatt November 20, Ha Jin March 5, Azar Nafisi April 16, Salman Rushdie Previous Subscriber: =2485 New Subscriber: =24110 These subscriptions include general admission seating at all 4 events. Patron: =24275 Patron Pair: =24450 Patron level subscriptions include VIP reserved seating and admission to al= l pre-event author receptions. Purchase subscriptions now at http://www.justbuffalo.org/babel or by phone = at 716.832.5400. __________________________________________________________________________= WRITER CRITIQUE GROUP The member writer critique group is back on a new night: 1st and 3rd Tuesda= ys at the Market Arcade. Click here for more info: http://www.justbuffalo.org/media/pdf/CritiqueGroup0409.pdf ___________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE If you would like to unsubscribe from this list, just say so and you will i= mmediately be removed. _______________________________ Michael Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center Market Arcade 617 Main St., Ste. 202A Buffalo, NY 14203 716.832.5400 716.270.0184 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk=40justbuffalo.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:22:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Skinner Subject: CORACLE PRESS IN MAINE: TUESDAY 19TH MAY, MUSKIE ARCHIVES at BATES COLLEGE, 4:15 pm Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable SIMON CUTTS & ERICA VAN HORN THE METAPHOR BOOKS 1967-2009 4:15 PM, TUESDAY 19th MAY, MUSKIE ARCHIVES at BATES COLLEGE If you are in New England, you can catch =B3The Metaphor Books 1967-2009=B2 (a talk given at Threads last week in New York City) this Tuesday in Lewiston, Maine.=20 Simon Cutts is a poet, artist and editor who began Coracle Press in the early 1970s, having worked with small publications from the 1960s. He began making work through concrete poetry, a form of visual presentation of the poem on the page. Now he sees book-form as the physical metaphor for the poem itself. The Coracle Press Archives are held in the Getty Research Institute in Los Angeles. A recent book of essays, Some Forms of Availability, was published last year by Granary Books, New York. Writer and artist Erica Van Horn's work was exhibited in Book Arts in the USA, an exhibition of work by 51 artists (1990); and in New Work, the annua= l Artist Members Exhibition of the Center for Book Arts (1986). With Simon Cutts, Van Horn directs Coracle Press. http://www.coracle.ie/ The metaphorical development of certain poem sequences and series in the work of Simon Cutts may be completed by the physical form of the book in which it is present. As such, it is intrinsic to the particular poem, well beyond the mere convenience of appended pages or the alignment of the poem as an accompaniment to illustration. 1967 Claude Monet In His Water Garden 1968 White Butterflies Rue Montorgueil Decked Out With Flags 1982 a fold of sewn cotton 1984 mirroirs=20 1990 lines of thin pale blue and red, with Ian Hamilton Finlay A History of the Airfields of Lincolnshire I 1992 aglio 6 olio 1994 The Waterfalls of New Hampshire in Winter 2000 A History of the Airfields of Lincolnshire II 2004 eclogues=20 2009 onglet=20 The event is free and open to the public. Sponsored by the John Tagliabue Poetry Fund. For more information, contact Jonathan Skinner / jskinner@bates.edu / 207-753-6941 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:28:29 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lori Emerson Subject: Re: Creeley's Rainer Gerhardt? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello ALL! Wow - what a wonderful series of helpful replies to my query! Thanks ever much to all - it's been fascinating finding out about this person that I hadn't paid any attention to before. I got curious because a student of mine has a relative (now deceased) in Germany by the same name and we were wondering if it could have been the same person. His relative was an architect, though I suppose there's still a chance that they are related in some way. Anyways, thanks every much to all - this is exactly what's still so valuable about the poetics listserv. yours, Lori On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:39 AM, John Steen wrote: > Hi Lori, > > From what I can find, Gerhardt was a German poet and friend of Creeley's in > the early 50s. He published the small magazine, *Fragmente*, and translated > two of Creeley's stories from *Gold Diggers* for its second issue in '52. > Late in '51, C went to Freiburg to visit him, and the Fass, Trombacco, > Mackinnon biographyhas > a short chapter (12) on the visit--which included a lot of late night > "conversation" and near fights--and the poem you mention in *For Love*, > which Olson really liked. > > Mary Novik's *Robert Creeley: An Inventory* has several other references to > Gerhardt--looks like C published a note on him in the *Pound Newsletter*, > number 4 (October 1954). > > Hope this helps out, > > John Steen > Dept. of Comparative Literature > Emory University > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Lori Emerson Assistant Professor | Electropoetics Thread Editor, Electronic Book Review Department of English, University of Colorado at Boulder Hellems 101, 226 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0226 http://www.colorado.edu/English/faculty/facpages/emerson.shtml http://www.electronicbookreview.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:15:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mathew Timmons Subject: Fwding ... An Afternoon Reading ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An Afternoon Reading... Sunday, May 24, 2009 at The Lounge at REDCAT 631 W. 2nd St.Los Angeles, CA with Amanda Ackerman Marcia Arrieta Deborah Meadows & Joseph Mosconi FREE Doors open at 2:00pm Reading starts at 2:30pm Amanda Ackerman lives in Los Angeles where she writes and teaches. She is co-editor of the press eohippus labs. She is a member of UNFO (The Unauthorized Narrative Freedom Organization) and writes as part of SAM OR SAMANTHA YAMS. Her chapbook The Seasons Cemented is forthcoming from Hex Presse, and her collaborative book Sin is to Celebration is forthcoming fro= m House Press. Her work has also been published or is forthcoming in flim forum: A Sing Economy, String of Small Machines, The Physical Poets, WOMB, Moonlit, Source Material: A Journal of Appropriated Text, and Area Sneaks. Marcia Arrieta=92s work has appeared in Blueprint Review, A capella Zoo,Otoliths, So To Speak, 13th Moon, 88, The Bukowski Review, Poetry Salzburg Review, Cold Mountain Review, Mipoesias, and others. Her Chapbook experimental was published by potes & poets press; and her manuscript the curve against the linear was chosen by Toadlily Press and published in thei= r Quartet Series=97An Uncommon Accord. She edits and publishes Indefinite Spa= ce, a poetry journal, now in its 18th year. Deborah Meadows teaches in the Liberal Studies department at California State Polytechnic University, Pomona. Her most recent book of poetry is fro= m Shearsman Press entitled Goodbye Tissues. Other works of poetry include: involutia (Shearsman Press, UK, 2007), The Draped Universe (Belladonna* Books, 2007), Thin Gloves (Green Integer, 2006), Representing Absence (Gree= n Integer, 2004), Itinerant Men (Krupskaya, 2004), and two chapbooks, Growing Still (Tinfish Press, 2005) and =93The 60=92s and 70=92s: from The Theory o= f Subjectivity in Moby-Dick=94 (Tinfish Press, 2003). Her Electronic Poetry Center author page is located: http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/meadows/ Joseph Mosconi is a writer and linguist based in Los Angeles. He is co-editor of the art & poetry journal Area Sneaks and is co-director of the Poetic Research Bureau, a literary service in the public domain. His work has appeared in Try, Shampoo, Triple Canopy, The Physical Poets vol. 2, Primary Writing, the Fillip Review and other journals and magazines. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 13:49:06 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nana Zabic Subject: Submit to Packingtown Review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The editors of Packingtown Review, a journal of the University of Illinois at Chicago, published by the University of Illinois Press, invite submissions for its second issue to be released in 2010. The journal publishes creative work including: =A7 drama =A7 poetry =A7 fiction =A7 creative nonfiction =A7 literary translation We seek submission of scholarly papers including: =A7 interdisciplinary scholarship =A7 literary criticism =A7 comparative literature =A7 critical theory =A7 rhetorical studies =A7 cultural studies =A7 political theory We also accept for consideration: =A7 interviews =A7 critical reviews of books, films and the arts in general =A7 genre-bending work that explores or challenges form =A7 graphic art and photographs Whether scholarly or literary, we welcome edgy, fresh writing that may be experimental or that explores boundary crossings of/between genre(s) and form(s). What does it mean when poetry and prose are indistinguishable? What is lost =96 or found =96 in translation? When literary form is fluid, what happens to the relationship between art and criticism? Between the creative and the scholarly? Please send up to 8,000 words (excerpts of longer works are acceptable) of prose (or genre-bending pieces), 40 pages of drama, or 3 to 5 poems (no more than 10 pages) to: Packingtown Review UH 2027 M/C 162 University of Illinois at Chicago 601 S. Morgan Chicago, IL 60607 Deadline: Review of submissions for the second issue continues through September 1. Response time is approximately three months. For more information, visit www.packingtownreview.com or email us at: editors@packingtownreview.com. To order Issue 1, visit http://www.press.uillinois.edu/journals/pr.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 01:13:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tim Peterson Subject: Segue 5/23: Mei-mei Berssenbrugge & Jonathan Skinner Comments: To: POETICS-L@gc.listserv.cuny.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Segue Series Presents Mei-mei Berssenbrugge & Jonathan Skinner Saturday, May 23, 2009 ** 4PM SHARP** Bowery Poetry Club, 308 Bowery, NYC $6 admission hosted by Kristen Gallagher & Tim Peterson Mei-mei Berssenbrugge was born in Beijing and grew up in Massachusetts. She is the author of numerous volumes of poetry, most recently I Love Artists: New and Selected Poems (University of California Press, 2006) and Concordance (Kelsey St. Press, 2006), a collaboration with Kiki Smith. Jonathan Skinner is a poet, translator and critic, as well as editor of the journal ecopoetics. Skinner completed his Ph.D. in English at SUNY Buffalo. In 2005, he published his first full-length poetry collection, Political Cactus Poems (Palm Press). ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:57:13 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Dodie Bellamy's Summer Workshop Comments: To: ampersand@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Writing Experiments Workshop Dodie Bellamy My summer workshop will meet 10 consecutive Wednesday evenings, from 7 to 10 p.m. The dates: July 1 through September 2. Cost: $350 with a $100 deposit by June 17. Balance of payment will be due the first class. In the past, the workshop has filled up quickly, so if you're interested, do contact me promptly. Most weeks students will be assigned a short take-home writing experiment which they will share with the class the following week. Assignments will range from cut ups to exploring bodily sensations. Assignments are geared towards the class dynamic, so they may eventually drop away or they may continue for the duration of the class. Each week we will also critique longer pieces by two to five students. Students may bring in anything they want (up to 20 pages) for the longer critiques. Depending on the length, these longer pieces will be read aloud in class or handed out a week ahead of time. Though this class will have a prose focus, it is cross-genre, and poets are welcome. The class is limited to 10 students. Lots and lots of personal attention. It takes place in San Francisco, in my South of Market apartment, which comes complete with snacks and cats. This is a good class for poets wanting to play around with narrative or prose writers wanting to open up their prose. About me: Pink Steam, my collection of fiction, memoir, and memoiresque essays, was published in 2004 by San Francisco's Suspect Thoughts Press. My vampire novel, The Letters of Mina Harker was reprinted by University of Wisconsin Press, also in 2004. Academonia, a book of essays was published by Krupskaya in 2006. My latest chapbook, Barf Manifesto, came out from Ugly Duckling in 2008. I'm the author of 3 other books and I teach creative writing at SF State, CCA and Antioch Los Angeles. I've also taught at CalArts, Naropa summer session, Mills, USF, UC Santa Cruz, and the SF Art Institute. I've received the Bay Guardian Goldie Award for Literature and the Firecracker Alternative Book Award for Poetry. If you're interested, please email about work samples, etc. Or--if you know anybody who might be interested, please pass this email along to them. If you're interested do contact me promptly. Preference given to those not currently enrolled in a grad writing program. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:18:22 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Weishaus Subject: "The Gateless Gate." New pages and a Revision MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends and Colleagues: Here are four new pages of "The Gateless Gate": Pages 15-16: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Gate/Pgs%2015-16.htm Pages 17-18: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Gate/Pgs%2017-18.htm In addition: The Introduction has been revised: = http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Gate/Intro.htm Thank you to those of you who have written to me on this project.=20 If you don't want to receive these notices, please let me know, and I = will delete your name from the list. -Joel =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:59:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jenny Sampirisi Subject: Other Cl/utter & The Scream: A call for submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Preliminaries: If you've never visited the visual poetry website Other Cl/utter before you can go to www.otherclutter.com to see what it's on about. If you've not yet stumbled on the Scream Literary Festival, skim and peck your way over to www.thescream.ca The Call: This year the Scream Literary Festival has chosen 'The Book is Dead' as its theme. Yes, dead. Up and croaked. Each year we have an on-theme gallery showing in the basement of Type Books located in Toronto's Queen West district where the Scream also holds workshops and other events. The gallery stays up for the duration of the festival (this year July 2-13) and is generally curated by someone from the writing community with an interest in the subject-matter (this year Jenny Sampirisi, facilitator of Other Cl/utter and Bill Kennedy, co-compiler of the Apostrophe Engine are heading up the gallery showing). Given this year's theme we're looking to have book works, treated text, and book objects and/or their destruction. The artwork will be placed inside the gallery and will also be displayed on Other Cl/utter as a digital extension of the event. Works can speak to the growing worry of the obsolete book object in favour of a digital information system; they can examine the role of something like an archive, a dictionary, a non-searchable database; they might present new challenges to the authoritative functions of the book or question the relevance of published textual knowledge and the limitations of the book as a finite, bound object currently faced with potential dematerialization. Sculpture, audio, paper works, digital imagery and documentation of conceptual art projects are all welcome Please send submissions and queries to otherclutter@gmail.com. And feel free to pass this on to interested third parties. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:10:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Will Larsen Subject: Erasure Poetry Reading -- 5/26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *NEXT WEEK: Erasure Poetry Reading Featuring Chicu Reddy With Eric Elshtain, Stephanie Dering, and Will Larsen *Tuesday, May 26 5:30pm, Rosenwald 405 On the University of Chicago Campus *Reception to follow.* Please join us for this exciting opportunity to hear innovative work by three students and acclaimed poet/UC faculty member Chicu Reddy. Event sponsored by the Renaissance Society, the Committee on Creative Writing, and the Wrens. As always, admission is free and open to the public. If you need assistance in order to participate, contact 773-834-8524. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 12:38:13 -0400 Reply-To: halvard@gmail.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Submit to Packingtown Review In-Reply-To: <2fa274de0905181149y3e1c8d6cq755bb9ed9a479b9a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They want edgy, fresh writing but apparently only take snail mail submissions. Duh. Hal "My experience is what I agree to attend to." --William James Halvard Johnson =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Nana Zabic wrote: > The editors of Packingtown Review, a journal of the University of > Illinois at Chicago, published by the University of Illinois Press, > invite submissions for its second issue to be released in 2010. The > journal publishes creative work including: > =A7 drama > =A7 poetry > =A7 fiction > =A7 creative nonfiction > =A7 literary translation > > We seek submission of scholarly papers including: > =A7 interdisciplinary scholarship > =A7 literary criticism > =A7 comparative literature > =A7 critical theory > =A7 rhetorical studies > =A7 cultural studies > =A7 political theory > > We also accept for consideration: > =A7 interviews > =A7 critical reviews of books, films and the arts in general > =A7 genre-bending work that explores or challenges form > =A7 graphic art and photographs > > Whether scholarly or literary, we welcome edgy, fresh writing that may > be experimental or that explores boundary crossings of/between > genre(s) and form(s). What does it mean when poetry and prose are > indistinguishable? What is lost =96 or found =96 in translation? When > literary form is fluid, what happens to the relationship between art > and criticism? Between the creative and the scholarly? > > Please send up to 8,000 words (excerpts of longer works are > acceptable) of prose (or genre-bending pieces), 40 pages of drama, or > 3 to 5 poems (no more than 10 pages) to: > Packingtown Review > UH 2027 M/C 162 > University of Illinois at Chicago > 601 S. Morgan > Chicago, IL 60607 > > Deadline: Review of submissions for the second issue continues through > September 1. Response time is approximately three months. For more > information, visit www.packingtownreview.com or email us at: > editors@packingtownreview.com. To order Issue 1, visit > http://www.press.uillinois.edu/journals/pr.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:06:15 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Weishaus Subject: "The Gateless Gate"-Note MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry about, "If you don't want to receive these notices, please let me = know, and I will delete your name from the list." It was not deleted from a different context, and obviously does not = refer to this list. Small slips in a long day. -Joel =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 01:21:13 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christophe Casamassima Subject: Latin Translation, Anyone? Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Can anyone translate this phrase for me? Eat well. But be eaten willingly. --=20 Powered By Outblaze =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:12:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Deborah A. Meadows" Subject: Ackerman/Arrieta/Meadows/Mosconi Read at REDCAT Lounge on Sunday, May 24th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Buffalo list, Forwarded from Harold Abramowitz [hhelper@gmail.com] Sent: Sat = 5/16/2009 7:49 PM Hi Friends, It would be awesome if you could join us for an afternoon reading on Sunday, May 24, 2009 at The Lounge at REDCAT with Amanda Ackerman=20 Marcia Arrieta=20 Deborah Meadows & Joseph Mosconi FREE Doors open at 2:00pm Reading starts at 2:30pm =20 Amanda Ackerman lives in Los Angeles where she writes and teaches. She = is co-editor of the press eohippus labs. She is a member of UNFO (The = Unauthorized Narrative Freedom Organization) and writes as part of SAM = OR SAMANTHA YAMS. Her chapbook The Seasons Cemented is forthcoming from = Hex Presse, and her collaborative book Sin is to Celebration is = forthcoming from House Press. Her work has also been published or is = forthcoming in flim forum: A Sing Economy, String of Small Machines, The = Physical Poets,WOMB, Moonlit, Source Material: A Journal of Appropriated = Text, and Area Sneaks. Marcia Arrieta=92s work has appeared in Blueprint Review, A capella Zoo, = Otoliths, So To Speak, 13th Moon, 88, The Bukowski Review, Poetry = Salzburg Review, Cold Mountain Review, Mipoesias, and others. Her = Chapbook experimental was published by potes & poets press; and her = manuscript the curve against the linear was chosen by Toadlily Press and = published in their Quartet Series=97An Uncommon Accord. She edits and = publishesIndefinite Space, a poetry journal, now in its 18th year. Deborah Meadows teaches in the Liberal Studies department at California = State PolytechnicUniversity, Pomona. Her most recent book of poetry is = from Shearsman Press entitled Goodbye Tissues. Other works of poetry = include: involutia (Shearsman Press, UK, 2007), The Draped Universe = (Belladonna* Books, 2007), Thin Gloves (Green Integer, 2006), = Representing Absence (Green Integer, 2004), Itinerant Men (Krupskaya, = 2004), and two chapbooks, Growing Still (Tinfish Press, 2005) and =93The = 60=92s and 70=92s: from The Theory of Subjectivity in Moby-Dick=94 = (Tinfish Press, 2003). Her Electronic Poetry Center author page is = located: http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/meadows/=20 Joseph Mosconi is a writer and linguist based in Los Angeles. He is = co-editor of the art & poetry journal Area Sneaks and is co-director of = the Poetic Research Bureau, a literary service in the public domain. His = work has appeared in Try, Shampoo, Triple Canopy, The Physical Poets = vol. 2, Primary Writing, the Fillip Review and other journals and = magazines =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:23:02 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Edmund Hardy Subject: Mackerelling In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Intercapillary Editions" is pleased to present a new publication: Printed: 20 pages=2C 22.86 cm x 17.78 cm=2C casewrap-hardcover binding=2C white interior paper (80# weight)=2C full-colour interior ink=2C white exterior paper (100# weight)=2C full-colour exterior ink Purchase (=A313.78 plus =A34.46 flat rate postage) or Download free eBook. * from Mackerelling: mackerel small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel DEEPER WATER small mackerel small mackerel common dolphin small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel common dolphin small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel common dolphin cory=92s shearwater cory=92s shearwater small mackerel cory=92s shearwater small mackerel cory=92s shearwater common dolphin small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel cory=92s shearwater common dolphin small mackerel cory=92s shearwater common dolphin small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel small mackerel cory=92s shearwater common dolphin cory=92s shearwater WATER * A Note on the Poem James Harvey The poem more or less wrote itself. Marguerite White sent me cardboard cuttings out in the shapes of sea birds she had used for one of her installations=2C I had been watching David Attenborough=92s The Blue Planet and the idea for the poem came shortly after. At the back of my mind was also Bob Cobbing=92s poem =91alphabet of californian fishes=92=2C (in b= ob jubile=2C selected texts of bob cobbing=2C 1990)=2C though I did not realise this until it was shown to me afterwards by a friend to whom I had previously shown the Bob Cobbing poem as one of my favourite poems. Its influence seemed clear to me. * James Harvey studied Biology at UCL. After leaving university=2C he took up poetry full time=2C with Ecology (and not Deep Ecology) inspiring much of his poetry. He has had poems in magazines and In the Company of Poets anthology. Poetry now on the web is at Great Works and Openned - in the Ope= nned Magazine and Openned Anthology. Mackerelling is his first book. =20 =20 "Intercapillary Space" Without image=2C without strategy. _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos =96 Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:10:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Skip Fox Subject: Has anyone heard from Vernon Fraser? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think I've seen his posts here or elsewhere for over 1/2 of a year. Nor have I been able to discover a good e-mail address. Does anyone know? ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:28:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: The Ghost Dance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _______________ "Ghost Dance in 33 Movements" by la mirabile Anny Ballardini is reviewed by Crag Hill in Jacket Magazine 37 ... http://jacketmagazine.com/37/r-ballardini-rb-hill.shtml Wondrous poetry, Anny! http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ Best regards, S=E9amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com http://www.mnartists.org/Seamas_Cain _______________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:21:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: Support The Poetry Project Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The Poetry Project at St. Mark=B9s Church May 19, 2009 Dear Friend of The Poetry Project, We are still in high spirits from the three monumental readings we held her= e last week for our Spring Fundraiser. If you attended the John Giorno reading, the John Ashbery reading, or the panel and/or reading for the Collected Poetry of Jack Spicer, thank you. We raised $3,500! And if you attended, you have already heard that the Poetry Project's fundraising campaign has just begun. For those of you who are hearing this for the first time, The Project has some serious financial challenges to meet in 2010 including a substantial rent increase to stay in our home at St. Mark's Church. Our goal is to rais= e at least $15,000 by the end of this year. We're asking you, our dear supporters, to help by not only becoming a Membe= r of The Project (a $50 Individual Membership will get you a subscription to our quarterly Newsletter), but giving an extra tax-deductible contribution of $25 or anything that you feel you can offer - even small amounts are ver= y welcome. You can simply click here http://poetryproject.org/get-involved/become-a-member to become a Member or renew your Membership. Or here http://poetryproject.org/get-involved/donate-now to donate. You may also opt to send a check made out to The Poetry Project at 131 E. 10th St. New York, NY 10003. We are a poet-founded and have always been a poet-run organization whose programming has developed out of a complete devotion to the risk, challenge and heart of contemporary poetry. And we know we've developed a community who is just as intensely devoted. Thank you! =20 Sincerely, Stacy Szymaszek Artistic Director =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:45:05 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jefferson Davis Subject: Wordplay celebrates Robin Blaser MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As most here will know, on May 7th Robin Blaser, one of the last major figures among those who came to public notice via Don Allen's New American Poetry, passed away in Vancouver, just shy of 84. I never successfully recorded Robin myself; both times I tried, my usually trusty Uher balked. Thankfully, the great Penn Sound audio archive has hours of readings and lectures in his voice, so I put together this week's Wordplay from three of its recordings. The first finds him reading in Vancouver in 1965; the second, discussing his work, and that of his fellows, in a BBC interview with Iain Sinclair in 1994; the third, reading at the Woodland Pattern Bookstore in Milwaukee in 2004. In Vancouver he read "The Moth Poem", an early exploration of serial form; it's a great poem, but the recording, given that it was made on analogue tape over forty years ago (probably by Fred Wah, though he's not credited), had some hiss that I removed for better audibility. In Milwaukee, Blaser began his reading with the introductory section of his extended poem on Dante, then switched to shorter poems, and then returned to the "Great Companions" piece on Dante, saying he hadn't "prepared anything else". I brought the two pieces together for the show. It's a powerful reading. The program note has more information, and a link to the audio, here: http://naturespoetry.blogspot.com/2009/05/celebrating-robin-blaser.html Enjoy, Jeff ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 12:22:43 -0700 Reply-To: cd.green@sbcglobal.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Chris Green Subject: DePaul Summer Writing Conference MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DePaul Summer Writing Conference, July 17-19, 2009=20 (at DePaul=E2=80=99s Loop Campus and the Chicago Public Library) =C2=A0 Poetry, Fiction, and Nonfiction craft classes, panels, and readings=20 =C2=A0 Writers of all experience levels are welcome=20 =C2=A0 Visit www.cpe.depaul.edu/writingconference to view the schedule, see facult= y bios, and register (tuition is $250 for all three days or $100 for any si= ngle day; CE credits available to attendees) =C2=A0 Any questions, contact Chris Green at cgreen1@depaul.edu or 312-362-8916. =C2=A0 Conference faculty include professors from DePaul University, Columbia Coll= ege, and Northwestern University=E2=80=94 Poetry: David Trinidad, Tony Trigilio, James Shea, Josh Corey Fiction: Dan Stolar, Christine Sneed, Bayo Ojikutu, Garnett Kilberg CohenNo= nfiction: Achy Obejas, Michele Morano, Miles Harvey, Eula Biss =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:08:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: ELVISmagical Shmagical MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DEAR READERS, my book ADVANCED ELVIS COURSE is now out from Soft Skull Press for sample pages, cover art, and more, please click here: http://advancedELVIS.blogspot.com and PLEASE try to purchase from your local INDEPENDENT bookstore (so few of them left) ELVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVIS ELLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLVVVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLVV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLV ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLVIS LOVES YOU! -- PhillySound: new poetry http://PhillySound.blogspot.com THE BOOK OF FRANK by CAConrad http://CAConrad.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:09:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed New and On View: Mudlark Flash No. 50 (2009) Five Poems by Michael Tyrell Manhattan-Beach Mother | Superstition, Inc. Murder in Sea Gate | Instructions | Flatlands Michael Tyrell's poems have appeared in Agni, The Canary, fogged clarity, The Paris Review, Ploughshares, The Yale Review, and other magazines. With Julia Spicher Kasdorf, he edited the anthology Broken Land: Poems of Brooklyn (NYU Press, 2007). Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:29:37 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Eric Elshtain Subject: Reading at the University of Chicago MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erasure Poetry Reading Tuesday 26 May 2009, 5:30PM Rosenwald 405 on the Univ. of Chicago campus. Featuring Chicu Reddy with Eric Elshtain, Stephanie Dering and Will Larsen. The pieces Elshtain be reading are by six children he worked with at two area hospitals where he is poet-in-residence through the Snow City Arts Foundation http://www.snowcityarts.com During the workshops, the students "treated" the To Be Or Not To Be speech from Hamlet ala Tom Phillips' A Humament, Mary Ruefle's A Little White Shadow and Ronald Johnson's Radi os. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:34:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: Google's assault on writers' copyright MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _______________ Google's assault on writers' copyright ... http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2009/0425/1224245347234.html The "Settlement Administrator" for the U.S. Federal Court defines and explains the issues, as imposed on writers throughout the world ... http://www.googlebooksettlement.com/help/bin/answer.py?answer=3D118704&hl= =3Den#extension_explanation What arrogance by the lot of them! And, to be sure, I oppose corporate and pseudo-legal expropriation of creative literature, whether my own work or the work of others! For creative freedom, S=E9amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com http://www.mnartists.org/Seamas_Cain _______________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:58:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rodney Koeneke Subject: Tangent reading in Portland, OR this SAT., MAY 23: ROD SMITH, MEL NICHOLS and JEN COLEMAN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SATURDAY, MAY 23 at 7 PM JEN COLEMAN, MEL NICHOLS and ROD SMITH Clinton Corner Cafe, 2633 SE 21st Ave. www.thetangentpress.org/readings.html JEN COLEMAN is a Minnesota poet by way of DC, New York and now Portland. Former coeditor of the literary magazine Pom2 and curator of the DC based In Your Ear reading series. Jen also has a chapbook, Propinquity, and her work has appeared in The Tangent, Ixnay, Chain and other awesome journals. MEL NICHOLS is the author of Bicycle Day (Slack Buddha Press 2008), The Beginning of Beauty, Part 1: hottest new ringtones mnichol6 (Edge Books 2007), Day Poems (Edge Books 2005), and just out from Edge Books, Catalytic Exteriorization Phenomenon, finalist in the National Poetry Series. With Mark Cunningham she recently collaborated on the online chapbook nightlightnight. She teaches at George Mason University. ROD SMITH'S most recent book is Deed (University of Iowa, 2007). He is also the author of Music or Honesty, The Good House, Poemes de l'araignee (France), In Memory of My Theories, The Boy Poems, Protective Immediacy, and New Mannerist Tricycle with Lisa Jarnot and Bill Luoma. A CD, Fear the Sky, came out from Narrow House Recordings in 2005. He edits Aerial Magazine and publishes Edge Books. Smith is also editing, with Peter Baker and Kaplan Harris, The Selected Letters of Robert Creeley for the University of California Press. UPCOMING READINGS, SAT JUNE 27 Stephanie Young, Dana Ward and Cynthia Sailers ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:07:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nico Vassilakis Subject: Disparate Magnets by Nico Vassilakis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 new book of poems=20 =20 read blurbs from harry mathews=2C mark wallace=2C brenda iijima=2C robert m= ittenthal=2C bunita marcus =20 http://www.blazevox.org/bk-nv2.htm =20 should be able to get review copies at =20 editor@blazevox.org =20 thanks for your time=2C =20 =20 n _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto= rial_Storage1_052009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 19:08:03 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Megan M. Garr" Subject: Versal 7 is in the air Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable VERSAL 7 IS NOW AVAILABLE --Launch of Versal 7-- The seventh edition of Versal, the annual English-language literary journal published out of Amsterdam, was launched on 15 May. As in previous editions= , the writing and art in Versal 7 is resolutely international, and above all distinctive for its lack of defined borders. Contributors include Agustina Bazterrica, Emily Carr, Jennifer K. Dick, Joel Fishbane, Elizabeth Gross, Desmond Kon Zhicheng-Mingd=E9, Trey Moody, Sawako Nakayasu, Mary Miller, Pete= r Shippy and Nicole Walker. Copies and subscriptions are available at: http://versal.wordsinhere.com --Versal Journal-- The launch of Versal 7 also coincided with the launch of our new blog, http://versaljournal.blogspot.com, through which we hope to join the lively online literary dialogues, as well as discuss aspects of our submission review process and the wide(ning) aesthetic that Versal seeks out. =20 --The HERE project-- The blog will also be a space to post the results of the HERE project, an initiative we have started this year. Copies of Versals old and new will be passed into the hands of a number of potential readers around the world. Th= e project is simple: read & pass on. These copies are labeled and numbered, and readers are encouraged to contact us with their responses, whether text= , image, video, sound, which we will then post on the blog. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:56:27 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Penton Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Vernon Fraser? In-Reply-To: <6728CBAA53554848BCCDF8F52AFE33B1@win.louisiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skip Fox wrote: > I don't think I've seen his posts here or elsewhere for over 1/2 of a year. > Nor have I been able to discover a good e-mail address. > > Does anyone know? > His site at http://vernonfrazer.net/ is in the process of a revamp, but has current contact information. -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 06:35:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nic Sebastian Subject: Ten Questions for poetry editors In-Reply-To: <2fa274de0905181149y3e1c8d6cq755bb9ed9a479b9a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anti-'s Steve Schroeder is first up with his responses. More editors to com= e! =20 http://bit.ly/XJWQQ Best wishes=2C=20 =20 Nic Sebastian http://verylikeawhale.wordpress.com =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE goes with you.=20 http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutor= ial_Mobile1_052009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:41:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Larry O. Dean" Subject: Pilcrow Lit Fest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Among the many swell goings on during the 2nd Annual Pilcrow Lit Fest, currently underway in Chicago, I'll be moderating a panel on Teaching Artists this Saturday, 1 PM at Trader Todd's, 3216 N. Sheffield. Scheduled panelists include: Bobby Biedrzycki is a writer and performer who came to Chicago from St. Paul, Minnesota via The Bronx, New York. Bobby's writing has appeared in The Black Bear Review, Hair Trigger 28 & 29, The Banana King, Ghost Factory and Ante:thesis Volumes I & II. He has worked as a book reviewer for both Time Out Chicago and Punk Planet Magazine and his stories have been produced Off Broadway. Bobby is an adjunct faculty member of the Fiction Writing Department at Columbia College Chicago and he also teaches creative writing for teens through the After School Matters program. Along with being a company member of The Serendipity Collective and performing monthly with 2nd Story, Bobby is currently at work on his first novel, Driving Back to Normal. Larry O. Dean was born and raised in Flint, Michigan. He attended the University of Michigan, during which time he won three Hopwood Awards in Creative Writing, an honor shared with fellow poets Robert Hayden, Jane Kenyon, and Frank O'Hara, among others. He is author of numerous chapbooks, including I Am Spam (2004), a series poems inspired by junk email; his poetry has also been internationally anthologized. In addition to writing, he is a singer-songwriter, performing solo as well as with his current band, The Injured Parties; he has released many critically-acclaimed CDs including Fables in Slang (2001) with Post Office, and Gentrification is Theft (2002) with The Me Decade. Dean was a 2004 recipient of the Hands on Stanzas Gwendolyn Brooks Award, presented by the Poetry Center of Chicago. Find out more at http://larryodean.com. Robert Duffer writes for TimeOut Chicago, Chicago Public Radio's 848, Chicago Tribune, Chicago Artists Resource and other sources regular and not. Recent publications include Flashquake, Annalemma, Word Riot, Pindledyboz, and The 2nd Hand. His novel excepts can be read on his website, http://robbertduffer.com. Mary Duncan is a Masters student in the social sciences at the University of Chicago and works with the Teaching Artist Research Project, http://surveylab.uchicago.edu/projects/tarp.shtml. Eric Elshtain is currently finishing his PhD in the University of Chicago's Committee on the History of Culture. Eric is Poet-in-Residence at Stroger Hospital of Cook County through Snow City Arts. He is the editor of Chicago's on-line Beard of Bees Press, http://www.beardofbees.com, and is also a poet-in-residence at Galileo Scholastic Academy where he teaches poetry to fourth grade students. His own poetry, reviews and interviews have been published in a variety of literary journals. Savannah Schroll Guz is author of The Famous & The Anonymous (2004) and editor of Consumed: Women on Excess (2005). Her new fiction collection, American Soma, will be released by So New in 2009. She writes a monthly reference book review column for Library Journal and is an art critic for Pittsburgh City Paper. Previously nominated for a Pushcart and a Storysouth Million Writers Award, she teaches English at West Virginia Northern Community College. Billy Lombardo Pat Mohr serves as the program coordinator for 826CHI. In this role, he manages the field trip program and co-manages the drop-in tutoring program. Pat joined 826CHI as an intern in the fall of 2007, assisting with programs and student publishing before joining the staff in the summer of 2008. After graduating from Miami University in 2006 with a degree in literature, Pat traveled and taught in several Latin American countries before returning to Chicago. Born and raised in Hong Kong, Carol Ng-He is a Chicago-based interdisciplinary artist and art educator. She received a Master’s degree of Arts in Art Education from the School of the Art Institute of Chicago. Carol has exhibited and performed locally including the Smart Museum of Art at the University of Chicago, Hyde Park Art Center, Jane Addams-Hull House Museum, Koehnline Museum of Art at Oakton Community College, Woman Made Gallery, Mess Hall, Links Hall, and the Duncan YMCA Chernin Center for the Arts in Chicago. In her interdisciplinary art practices, Carol explores the hybridity of cultural identities, and interactivity of human intellectual exchange across time, space, and imagination. Her work is featured on Chicago Artists Resource and her publications include Silk Road Theatre Project’s Alternative Cultural Education and Stepping In and Out: Performance Art in the Community College ESL Curriculum on Community Arts Network, as well as Reflection on the Role of Artists: A Case Study on the Hidden Visual Curriculum of the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, in Teaching Artists Journal. As a teaching artist, Carol has been a member of Chicago Teaching Artists Collective (CTAC) since 2006 and has freelanced at the Silk Road Theatre Project, Chicago Teen Museum and Young Asians with Power! (YAWP!). Currently she teaches at Columbia College Chicago, Roosevelt University, and Oakton Community College. Jill Pollack, founder of StoryStudio Chicago, is an award-winning communications consultant, writer and editor. Through StoryStudio, Jill teaches creative writing to individuals and leads customized seminars for businesses and professionals. Using her degree in theatre, Jill curates and directs the reading series, “Writers Read Showcase.” She has published books for children and young adults and is currently at work on a novel for adults. Joanne Vena, Director of School Partnerships, supports and oversees the strategic partnership development with members of the college and public education locally to meet the CCAP mission in three areas- the professional development of teachers and teaching artists, college readiness programs for promising high school students and the college’s work in six Chicago Community Schools. Prior to coming here in 1991, Ms. Vena was the Director of the Arts-in-Education and Local Arts Agency programs at the Illinois Arts Council, where she developed and supervised the agency's services and programs for individual teaching artists and nonprofit education groups, expanding the partnership between artists and communities. Joanne has served on several panels and conference committees, including the National Assembly of State Arts Agencies and the National Endowment for the Arts. She holds a BFA in printmaking and sculpture from the Rhode Island School of Design and an MFA in sculpture from the School of the Art Institute of Chicago. For more info, http://pilcrowlitfest.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:40:42 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: TOMORROW, Friday, May 22nd @ 7 p.m. -- Ken Chen ** Johannes G=?utf-8?Q?=C3=B6ransson_?= ** Cathy Park Hong ** Joyelle McSweeney Comments: To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Join us for an extra May Stain!  TOMORROW, Fri= =0A=0A=0A=0AJoin us for an extra May Stain! =0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0ATOMORROW, Fri= day, May 22nd @ 7 p.m.=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0AKen Chen ** Johannes G=C3=B6ransson= ** Cathy Park Hong ** Joyelle=0AMcSweeney=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A~~~=0A=0A=C2=A0= =0A=0AKen Chen is the Executive Director of The Asian American=0AWriters' W= orkshop. He is the 2009 recipient of the Yale Series of Younger Poets=0AAwa= rd. His work has been published in Best American Essays 2006 and was=0Arece= ntly recognized in Best American Essays 2007. He started Satellite: The=0AB= erkeley Magazine of News + Culture and also helped found Arts & Letters=0AD= aily, a cultural website.=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A~~~=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0AJohannes G= =C3=B6ransson was born in Sweden,=0Abut has lived around the US=0Afor sever= al years. He is the author of: Dear Ra (Starcherone, 2008), Pilot=0A(Fairy = Tale Review Press, 2008) and A New Quarantine Will Take My Place=0A(Apostro= phe Books, 2007)=E2=80=94and the chapbook Majakovskij en tragedy (Dos Press= ,=0A2008). He is also the translator of: Collobert Orbital by Johan Jonsson= ,=0AGingerbread Monuments by Victor Johansson & Klara Kallstrom, Ideals=0AC= learance by Henry Parland, Remainland: Selected Poems by Aase Berg, and, mo= st=0Arecently, With Deer by Aase Berg, out from Black Ocean. He is the co-e= ditor of=0AAction Books and the online journal Action, Yes.=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A= =0A~~~=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0ACathy Park Hong=E2=80=99s first book, Translating M= o=E2=80=99um was=0Apublished in 2002 by Hanging Loose Press. Her second col= lection, Dance Dance=0ARevolution, was chosen for the Barnard Women Poets P= rize and was published in=0A2007 by WW Norton. Hong is also the recipient o= f a Fulbright Fellowship, a=0ANational Endowment for the Arts Fellowship an= d a Village Voice Fellowship for=0AMinority Reporters. Her poems have been = published in A Public Space, Paris=0AReview, Poetry, American Letters & Com= mentary, Denver Quarterly, Jubilat,=0Aand other journals, and she has repor= ted for the Village Voice, The Guardian,=0ASalon, and Christian Science Mon= itor. She now lives in New=0A York City and is an Assistant Professor at Sa= rah Lawrence=0A College.=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A~~~=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0AJoyelle McSw= eeney is the author of the novels Flet (Fence)=0Aand Nylund the Sarcographe= r (Tarpaulin Sky Press) and the poetry books The Red=0ABird and The Command= rine and Other Poems. She teaches in the MFA Program at=0ANotre Dame and is= a co-founder of Action Books.=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A~~~=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0Astain= =0A=0A766 grand street=0A=0Abrooklyn, ny 11211=0A=0A(L train to Grand=0A S= treet, 1 block west)=0A=0A718/387-7840=0A=0Aopen daily @ 5 p.m.=0A=0A=C2=A0= =0A=0AEnjoy local beers, wines, and lite fare -- PLUS, the garden=0Ais open= !=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A~~~~=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0AHosted by Amy King and Ana = Bo=C5=BEi=C4=8Devi=C4=87=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0Ahttp://www.stainofpoetry.com/=0A= =0A=C2=A0=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A _______ =0A =0A =0AAmy's Alias =0Ahttp://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:55:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Vernon Frazer? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello I'd like to thank those who asked about me for their concern. I've been incommunicado for much of the past year because my wife and I moved one town north, a move that became more complicated and protracted than any we've made before, including moving from Connecticut to Florida. In addition to moving, I've spent much of the past year wrestling with computer problems. My email address book has vanished several times, so I've lost most of my contact information. I'm doing well and have finally resumed a regular writing schedule. If you'd like to become part of my rebuilt address book, please backchannel your contact information to me. Best, Vernon ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:07:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lawrence Giffin Subject: I think I got phished MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So if you got some weird email or facebook thing from me, do not click it. If you did, change your passwords. Sorry. Lawrence ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:31:00 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Hilary Clark Subject: book ideas? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello, I'm teaching a senior undergraduate course entitled "Poetry since 1950" in the fall, and I'm making up my own anthology as a course package so as to include a fair amount of experimental material. However, I need some ideas for a short critical overview of contemporary poetry that takes a world or at least trans-Atlantic perspective and addresses historical contexts, movements, issues in poetics, etc. Is there such a book available? Thanks for ideas. Hilary Clark ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:37:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Fwd: Salt books (fwd) (my publisher--) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1956855669-1242920275=:25452" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1956855669-1242920275=:25452 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:26:04 -0500 From: mIEKAL aND Reply-To: Theory and Writing To: WRYTING-L@listserv.wvu.edu Subject: Fwd: Salt books A very important press to support.... As many of you will know, Jen and I have been struggling to keep Salt moving since June last year when the economic downturn began to affect our press. Our three year funding ends this year: we've =A34,000 due from Arts Council England in a final payment, but cannot apply through Grants for the Arts for further funding for Salt's operations. Spring sales were down nearly 80% on the previous year, and despite April's much improved trading, the past twelve months has left us with a budget deficit of over =A355,000. It's proving to be a very big hole and we're having to take some drastic measures to save our business. Here's how you can help us to save Salt and all our work with hundreds of authors around the world. JUST ONE BOOK 1. Please buy just one book, right now. We don't mind from where, you can buy it from us or from Amazon, your local shop or megastore, online or offline. If you buy just one book now, you'll help to save Salt. Timing is absolutely everything here. We need cash now to stay afloat. If you love literature, help keep it alive. All it takes is just one book sale. Go to our online store and help us keep going. 2. Share this note on your profile. Tell your friends. If we can spread the word about our cash crisis, we can hopefully find more sales and save our literary publishing. Remember it's just one book, that's all it takes to save us. Please do it now. With my best wishes to everyone Chris Director Salt Publishing http://www.saltpublishing.com =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html --0-1956855669-1242920275=:25452-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:43:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: konrad Subject: kino21 SF 24-MAY-09: VAUDEVILLE FOLLIES: flarf performance poetics and video MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed kino21's last show for a spell: Sunday, May 24th, 8pm VAUDEVILLE FOLLIES Artists Television Access 992 Valencia San Francisco, CA From Brooklyn, New York, poets Nada Gordon and Gary Sullivan lead an evening of multiple media San Francisco premieres: poly-vocal poetics, neo-benshi film narration, and mangled imagery. Visiting the Bay Area live for one night only, the latter-day vaudeville team of Gordon and Sullivan will present their most recent poetry, performance and video work showcased last month (fresh!) at The Whitney Museum and Dixon Place in New York. Gordon and Sullivan are founding members of the notorious and irreverent Flarf Collective. They have been committed. To hilarious and unsettling entertainment. Throughout this millenium. They will premiere two live film narration pieces, and read from their recent work. Oakland poet-provocateur Erika Staiti will perform her live film renarration of a short scene from "Woman Under the Influence," which premiered last month in the Los Angeles underground venue, Machine Project. From Queens, New York visual artist, montagist and poet Brandon Downing will sends us several disturbingly funny new video collages. Using a hilarious form of homophonic translation of song lyrics as subtitles from Bollywood movies, Downing dispaces the musical numbers into new registers of meaning with both bawdy and poignant overtones. http://www.kino21.org/ * * * ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 17:03:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Reading: Carlos Blackburn and Betsy Fagin Comments: To: british-irish-poets@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, poneme@lists.receptacle.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those of you in New York: Carlos T. Blackburn and Betsy Fagin at St Mark's, Monday June 1, 8:00 PM. Carlos T. Blackburn, author of Portraits (2006)=20 and The Selected Poems of Hamster (2008). Born at=20 the New York Infirmary for Indigent Women and=20 Children, 1969; raised in Brooklyn. Poems have=20 surfaced in Land of the Weejis, Aeroplano, 6=D76=20 and Watchword. Work as a soccer coach, bike=20 messenger, roller coaster operator, collegian=20 (anthropology), fish monger, copy editor,=20 demolition worker, bartender and teacher all form=20 a part of his r=E9sum=E9. Presently in the last year=20 of his training as a physical therapist in=20 Glasgow, Scotland. Betsy Fagin is the author of=20 Belief Opportunity (Big Game Books, 2008),=20 Rosemary Stretch (dusie e/chap, 2006) and For=20 every solution there is a problem (Open 24 Hours,=20 2003), as well as a number of self-published chapbooks. =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 18:43:07 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project May Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone, Here=B9s what next week looks like at The Poetry Project: Monday, May 25, 8 PM The Recluse 5 Reading Join us for our annual spring reading by contributors to the Poetry Project=B9s in-house magazine, The Recluse. Issue 5 is dedicated to the artis= t George Schneeman (1934-2009). Contributors include Anselm Berrigan, Edmund Berrigan, Sandy Berrigan, Lisa Birman, Todd Colby, Cliff Fyman, Steven Hall= , Vincent Katz, Michael Lally, Pamela Lawton, Elinor Nauen, Maureen Owen, Gar= y Parrish, and Will Yackulic. Readers on hand this evening will be Anselm Berrigan, Edmund Berrigan, Todd Colby, Cliff Fyman, Steven Hall, Vincent Katz, Michael Lally, Pamela Lawton, Elinor Nauen, Gary Parrish, and Will Yackulic. * Please note that there will be a formal tribute to George Schneeman on November 11, 2009 in the Sanctuary of St. Mark=B9s Church. Wednesday, May 27, 8 PM Poesia Ultima / Italian Poetry Now Join Jennifer Scappettone and Carla Billitteri as they present four Italian poets =B3of research=B2 featured in Aufgabe 7 for an evening of poetry and translation. Maria Attanasio is the author of five collections of poetry an= d four works of historical fiction. Her latest work, Il Falsario di Caltagirone, was the recipient of the prestigiouis Premio Vittorini. She wa= s born in Caltagirone, Sicily in 1943, where she still lives. Giovanna Frene, alias Sandra Bortolazzo, was born in Asolo in 1968. Her books of poetry are Immagine di voce (1999), Spostamento (2000), Datit=E0, with an afterword by Andrea Zanzotto (2001), Stato apparente (2004), and Sara Laughs (2007); and= , as Federica Marte, the cross-genre =B3prosimetro=B2 Orfeo e morto (2002). Her poems have appeared in a range of anthologies and journals in Italy, Germany, Mexico, Spain, and the US. Marco Giovenale, a poet, translator, curator, editor, cultural critic, and winner of the 2009 Delfini Prize, lives in Rome. His books of poetry include Il segno meno (Manni, 2003), Double click (Cantarena, 2005), and La casa esposta (Le Lettere, 2007). He editors and/or contributes to the periodicals il manifesto, Nuovi Argomenti= , Poesia, Action Poetique, The Black Economy, and Atelier, and blogs at slowforward.wordpress.com and gamm.org, and his work has been featured and translated in a range of magazines and anthologies in Italy, France, and th= e US. Milli Graffi, Milanese, was born in 1940. She has produced works of sound poetry and four poetry collections, most recently embargo voice (2006), as well as a novella called Centimetri due (Edizioni d=B9If, 2004). She has translated Lewis Carroll and Charles Dickens, and has written on nonsense and the comic function in the early avant-gardes. She is editor-in-chief of the pioneering journal Il Verri. Carla Billitteri, born and educated in Italy, teaches poetry and poetics at the University of Maine. Her translations of contemporary Italian poetry have appeared in boundary 2, How2, and Fascicle, among other journals. A selection of her translations of Alda Merini=B9s aphorisms is forthcoming with Hooke Press. Jennifer Scappettone, guest-editor of Aufgabe 7, is author of From Dame Quickly (Litmus Press, 2009) and of several chapbooks, including Ode oggettuale, a bilingual edition out from La Camera Verde, and a forthcoming book for Belladonna=B9s Elders Series with Lyn Hejinian and Etel Adnan. She i= s working on the pop-up opera Exit 43 for Atelos, as well as a critical monograph on the place of Venice within the modernist and postmodern imaginary. She is an assistant professor of English and associate faculty o= f Romance Languages and Literatures and Gender Studies at the University of Chicago. Co-presented with the Italian Cultural Institute, Litmus Press and Poets House. The poets will also participate in a panel the night before. See info below= : Tuesday, May 26, 6:00pm @ Italian Cultural Institute 686 Park Avenue (bet. 68th and 69th Streets) Admission free Friday, May 29, 10 PM Stephen McLaughlin & Phillip Dmochowski Present An Evening Of Poetry & Collaborations Stephen McLaughlin and Phillip Dmochowski are the editors of Principal Hand Publishing Series. Stephen is a poet/programmer whose first release, with Jim Carpenter, was Issue 1, a 3,785-page e-chap. Stephen edits the podcast =B3PoemTalk at the Writers House,=B2 and is a contributing editor at PennSound and ubu.com. Phillip is an artist, DJ, and director of DNA Gallery in Provincetown, MA. His first book, Indian Method, documents a systematic disfigurement of rare books and is forthcoming from Patrick Lovelace Editions. Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.org/become-a-member Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.org/program-calendar The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.org www.poetryproject.org Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=B9d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a line at info@poetryproject.org. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:59:01 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Amanda Earl Subject: AngelHousePress-an essay by Gary Barwin In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Gary Barwin provides us with the fourth in our essay series at www.angelhousepress.com. In this essay Gary muses on how a poem or in this case how a poem fragment works, complete with excellent illustrations. I hope you enjoy the essay. Stay tuned for June with the publication of new chapbooks and a new essay by Kane X. Faucher. Amanda Amanda Earl AngelHousePress www.angelhousepress.com the angel is in the house ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:17:36 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Amy King Subject: afraid of poetry & miscellany MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- On Fri, 5/22/09, jforjames wrote: =0ABritons are baffled by poetry, with many saying they live in fear of bei= ng asked to recite a poem in public, research has found.=0A=0A=0A Seven in 10 (73%) are "scared" by the genre, according to a=0Apoll of 1,500= adults, while two thirds (67%) admit reading and reciting=0Apoetry leave t= hem tongue-tied. =0A =0Amore... =0Ahttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5inb086GokHGwHM5CY= XZ0-XLJpYxw =0A =20 ~~~~ GOODREADS NEWSLETTER CONTEST > =0A=09=09PLEASE POST YOUR POEM FOR THE JUNE = GOODREADS NEWSLETTER CONTEST NOW! http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/146424-please-post-your-poem-for-the-ju= ne-goodreads-newsletter-contest-now ~~~~ Saving Salt Publishing: Just One Book =0A =0AAs many of you will know, Jen and I have been struggling to keep Salt=A0= =20 =0Amoving since June last year when the economic downturn began to affect= =A0=20 =0Aour press. Our three year funding ends this year: we've =3DA34,000 due= =A0=20 =0Afrom Arts Council England in a final payment, but cannot apply through= =A0=20 =0AGrants for the Arts for further funding for Salt's operations. Spring=A0= =20 =0Asales were down nearly 80% on the previous year, and despite April's=A0= =20 =0Amuch improved trading, the past twelve months has left us with a=A0=20 =0Abudget deficit of over =3DA355,000. It's proving to be a very big hole a= nd=3D =0A=A0=20 =0Awe're having to take some drastic measures to save our business. =0A =0AHere's how you can help us to save Salt and all our work with hundreds= =A0=20 =0Aof authors around the world. =0A =0AJUST ONE BOOK =0A =0A1. Please buy just one book, right now. We don't mind from where, you=A0= =20 =0Acan buy it from us or from Amazon, your local shop or megastore,=A0=20 =0Aonline or offline. If you buy just one book now, you'll help to save=A0= =20 =0ASalt. Timing is absolutely everything here. We need cash now to stay=A0= =20 =0Aafloat. If you love literature, help keep it alive. All it takes is=A0= =20 =0Ajust one book sale. Go to our online store and help us keep going. =0A =0A2. Share this note on your profile. Tell your friends. If we can=A0=20 =0Aspread the word about our cash crisis, we can hopefully find more=A0=20 =0Asales and save our literary publishing. Remember it's just one book,=A0= =20 =0Athat's all it takes to save us. Please do it now. =0A =0AWith my best wishes to everyone =0AChris =0ADirector =0ASalt Publishing =0Ahttp://www.saltpublishing.com=3D3D ~~~ TONIGHT Join us for an extra May Stain! =0A=0A =A0 =0A=0AFriday, May 22nd @ 7 p.m.= =0A=0A =A0 =0A=0AKen Chen ** Johannes G=F6ransson ** Cathy Park Hong ** Joy= elle=0AMcSweeney=0A=0A =A0stain =0A=0A766 grand street =0A=0Abrooklyn, ny 1= 1211 =0A=0A(L train to Grand=0A Street , 1 block west) =0A=0A718/387-7840 = =0A=0Aopen daily @ 5 p.m. =0A=0A =A0 =0A=0AEnjoy local beers, wines, and li= te fare -- PLUS, the garden=0Ais open!=A0=20 ~~~~ Quote I like posted elsewhere by Halvard Johnson: "There is poetry in everything. That is the biggest argument against poetry= ." =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--Miroslav Holub ~~~~ _______ =0A =0AAmy's Alias =0Ahttp://amyking.org/ =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:38:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: afraid of poetry & miscellany MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A few have quickly bc'd me to ask why I am so "shocked" and "surprised".=A0= I am neither.=20 Interesting, that conclusion though.=A0 Wonder why.=A0=20 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Amy King wrote: =0A--- On Fri, 5/22/09, jforjames wrote: =0A =0ABritons are baffled by poetry, with many saying they live in fear of bei= ng asked to recite a poem in public, research has found. =0A =0A =0A =0ASeven in 10 (73%) are "scared" by the genre, according to a =0Apoll of 1,500 adults, while two thirds (67%) admit reading and reciting =0Apoetry leave them tongue-tied. =0A =0A =0A =0Amore... =0A =0Ahttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5inb086GokHGwHM5CY= XZ0-XLJpYxw =0A =0A =0A~~~~ =0A =0AGOODREADS NEWSLETTER CONTEST > =0A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0PLEASE POST YOUR POEM FOR THE JUNE GOODR= EADS NEWSLETTER CONTEST NOW! =0A =0Ahttp://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/146424-please-post-your-poem-for-the= -june-goodreads-newsletter-contest-now =0A=0A =0A =0A~~~~ =0A =0ASaving Salt Publishing: Just One Book =0A =0A =0A =0AAs many of you will know, Jen and I have been struggling to keep Salt=A0 =0A =0Amoving since June last year when the economic downturn began to affect= =A0 =0A =0Aour press. Our three year funding ends this year: we've =3DA34,000 due= =A0 =0A =0Afrom Arts Council England in a final payment, but cannot apply through= =A0 =0A =0AGrants for the Arts for further funding for Salt's operations. Spring=A0 =0A =0Asales were down nearly 80% on the previous year, and despite April's=A0 =0A =0Amuch improved trading, the past twelve months has left us with a=A0 =0A =0Abudget deficit of over =3DA355,000. It's proving to be a very big hole a= nd=3D =0A =0A=A0 =0A =0Awe're having to take some drastic measures to save our business. =0A =0A =0A =0AHere's how you can help us to save Salt and all our work with hundreds= =A0 =0A =0Aof authors around the world. =0A =0A =0A =0AJUST ONE BOOK =0A =0A =0A =0A1. Please buy just one book, right now. We don't mind from where, you=A0 =0A =0Acan buy it from us or from Amazon, your local shop or megastore,=A0 =0A =0Aonline or offline. If you buy just one book now, you'll help to save=A0 =0A =0ASalt. Timing is absolutely everything here. We need cash now to stay=A0 =0A =0Aafloat. If you love literature, help keep it alive. All it takes is=A0 =0A =0Ajust one book sale. Go to our online store and help us keep going. =0A =0A =0A =0A2. Share this note on your profile. Tell your friends. If we can=A0 =0A =0Aspread the word about our cash crisis, we can hopefully find more=A0 =0A =0Asales and save our literary publishing. Remember it's just one book,=A0 =0A =0Athat's all it takes to save us. Please do it now. =0A =0A =0A =0AWith my best wishes to everyone =0A =0AChris =0A =0ADirector =0A =0ASalt Publishing =0A =0Ahttp://www.saltpublishing.com=3D3D =0A =0A~~~ =0A =0ATONIGHT =0A =0AJoin us for an extra May Stain! =0A =0A=A0=A0 =0A =0AFriday, May 22nd @ 7 p.m. =0A =0A=A0=A0 =0A =0AKen Chen ** Johannes G=F6ransson ** Cathy Park Hong ** Joyelle =0AMcSweeney =0A =0A=A0=A0stain =0A =0A766 grand street =0A =0Abrooklyn, ny 11211 =0A =0A(L train to Grand =0A =A0Street , 1 block west) =0A =0A718/387-7840 =0A =0Aopen daily @ 5 p.m. =0A =0A=A0=A0 =0A =0AEnjoy local beers, wines, and lite fare -- PLUS, the garden =0Ais open!=A0 =0A =0A~~~~ =0AQuote I like posted elsewhere by Halvard Johnson: =0A"There is poetry in everything. That is the biggest argument against poe= try." =0A=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--Miroslav Holub =0A~~~~ =0A =0A =0A =0A_______ =0A =0A =0A =0AAmy's Alias =0A =0Ahttp://amyking.org/ =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:39:58 -0700 Reply-To: jkarmin@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Philly Poetry: revised weekend schedule MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi poetics friends....looks like we got a triple poetry reading happening i= n philly this saturday!=A0 the curators have worked together to try to acco= modate everyone who wants to attend all 3 readings.=A0 check out the revise= d details below.=0A=0Ahope to see some of you at the friday night reading t= oo.=0A=0Aonwards,=0Ajennifer karmin=0A=0A=0A1. =0AFRIDAY, MAY 22=A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=0A7:30pm=0A=0AMoles Not Molar presents= =0AISH KLEIN=0AMATTHEW KLANE=0AJENNIFER KARMIN performing with Adam Fieled = & Michelle Taransky=0A=0Aat the CRANE ARTS COMMUNITY SPACE=0A1400 N. Americ= an Street=0Atwo blocks north of Girard Ave. between 2nd & 3rd=0Ahttp://www.= cranearts.com=0A=0A=0A2.=0ASATURDAY, MAY 23=0A5pm=0A=0AThe New Philadelphia= Poets presents=0ABRENDA IIJIMA=0AYEDA MORRISON=0A=0Aat FERGIES PUB=0A1214 = Sansom Street=0Ahttp://www.newphiladelphiapoets.com=0A=0A=0A3.=0ASATURDAY, = MAY 23=0A7pm=0A=0AFlim Forum Press presents=0AEMILY ABENDROTH=0AELI DRABMAN= =0AERIC GELSINGER=0AJENNIFER KARMIN=0AMATTHEW KLANE=0AAARON LOWINGER=0A=0Aa= t ROBIN'S BOOKSTORE=0A108 South 13th Street=0Ahttp://www.robinsbookstore.co= m=0A=0A=0A4.=0ASATURDAY, MAY 23=0A8:30pm=0A=0AChapter and Verse presents=0A= FRANK SHERLOCK=0ASIMON PETTET=0A=0Aat CHAPTERHOUSE CAFE=0A620 S. 9th Street= (between South & Bainbridge)=0Ahttp://chapterhousereadings.blogspot.com=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 14:14:07 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: book ideas? In-Reply-To: <4A1581C4.7010805@usask.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Check out Poems for the Millennium vol 2, ed. Rothenberg and Joris (UC Press). You might even want to use it as your textbook. Mark At 12:31 PM 5/21/2009, you wrote: >Hello, > >I'm teaching a senior undergraduate course entitled "Poetry since >1950" in the fall, and I'm making up my own anthology as a course >package so as to include a fair amount of experimental material. >However, I need some ideas for a short critical overview of >contemporary poetry that takes a world or at least trans-Atlantic >perspective and addresses historical contexts, movements, issues in >poetics, etc. Is there such a book available? > >Thanks for ideas. > >Hilary Clark > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:24:50 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Urgent Poetics Query MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wanted to call this post, "Feminism:=C2=A0 Not Just for Women Anymore" bu= t figured such a title might cause more than a few to 86 this straight to t= he trash bin.=0A=0A=0AAfter posting my miscellany note earlier today, one g= uy actually followed up and gave me even more grief for being annoyed that = he assumed I was shocked by the Briton study ("fine fine geez). I answered= the other two guys by posting my response frontchannel. Only one person s= tarted a respectful conversation with me backchannel about the study.=0A=0A= =0ASo my question to the first chap who asked why would I post a study that= includes info "we [Poetics list members] already know" (i.e. that people a= re afraid of poetry) was: If we were on a politics listserv and I posted = a recent study that found many thought marriage equality was about civil ri= ghts or was overdue, would he then also question why I was shocked? And is= it an accident that two other men asked me backchannel why I was surprised= by the study?=0A=0A=0AThis type of exchange raises all sorts of questions = for me about this list. That study was posted on another listserv by a man= (James). I don't think he was queried about his motivation, nor was it as= sumed he was shocked/surprised by the study. Correct me if I'm wrong, Jame= s. And yes, I think this is a gender issue. =0A=0A=0AI'm not alone as of la= te in wondering about the dynamics of listserve etiquette, the different mo= dels of "feminine" and "masculine" exchange, and just why this particular l= istserv, with nearly 2,000 members now, has grown so utterly quiet in discu= ssion. I know I'm opening a can of worms now with this line of inquiry (pi= n the bulls eye on my forehead gently, please), but while it seems the old = model of open, unchecked exchange led to more discussion in years past, a t= on of flaming and ad hom attacks inevitably and typically spiraled into int= imidation and attack mode, overwhelming and silencing most of the female me= mbers as well as many men who simply didn't have the time or interest to en= gage in such battles. =0AWhat was the past attraction? Does aggressive ba= iting stimulate? False accusations or intentional misreadings? I wonder i= f it's a coincidence that debate has significantly tapered now that those t= ypes of exchanges are prohibited. Even more telling, when I post a note of= miscellany as a woman, I am "checked" backchannel by several men who proje= cted a response onto me that I simply did not have nor indicate anywhere in= my posting, forcing me into defense mode to waste more time that would be = better served in discussion/debate. These types of exchanges are old schoo= l and so very tired. =0A=0A=0AThe women of Delirous Hem [http://www.delirio= ushem.blogspot.com/] have recently been discussing the dynamics of such exc= hange as well as how men and women are actually advancing a feminist poetic= s. This line of inquiry has even led a few to wonder aloud (via their blog= s) just what a feminist poetics is and how to promote it. Even a few men a= ren't afraid of the notion that we need new models of exchange, which is a = poetics too. Feminist modes of thinking and operating may not, after all, = be for women only. I don't have the answers, but feminist imaginings may a= ctually provide models by which we can jump start a listserv that seems to = have grown quiet in exchange, even by initially asking, Just what can femin= ist thinking make us aware of and what models for discussion might we use? = What is a feminist poetics, exactly? What are the aims of feminist-minded = poets? ... Some excerpts from the Delirous Hem responses:=0A=0A=0A"while id= eas live differently in different cultures, equality is not necessarily a c= ultural idea/value; its thorough application would involve a change in cult= ure, and as an idea, it might arise or live differently in different cultur= es, sure" =0A-- Catherine Daly (http://cadaly.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-doe= s-feminist-poet-look-like-or.html)=0A=0A~~~=0A=0AGina Myers, a teacher, a p= oet, and an all around amazing human being, has a piece up over at Deliriou= s Hem, a blog for women poets. Myers' piece, entitled "This is what a [post= ] feminist [poet] looks like," explores her relationship with feminism in a= so-called "post feminist" society. ...=0A=0A=0AMyers' poetry is an inspira= tion to all who read it, and in he piece, she reflects on her work co-direc= ting the Vagina Monologues at a small town community college in the middle = of a corn field and overflowing with sexist, homophobic ideologies that onl= y a select few seem to want to fight against.=0A=0A=0AI did not see one cau= se as being more important than others, nor did I necessarily see them as b= eing separate causes. The larger issue is social justice, and I have contin= ued to live my life committed to this one cause.=0A=0A--Feministing [cont'd= http://community.feministing.com/2009/05/this-is-what-a-post-feminist-p.ht= ml]=0A=0A~~~=0A=0AA lot of the poems in Becoming the Villainess were writte= n after these experiences left me frustrated - "Okay, Ophelia" is one of th= em. I started noticing that the culture does a great job of portraying wome= n as eye candy, as victims and villainesses, but not a great job of portray= ing them as anything else. I started thinking about the mythology and fairy= tale stories I grew up with, and how women today could or couldn't model t= hemselves after those characters.=0A=0A=0A...The poems grew out of my incre= asing awareness of how women are treated now, in myth, and in our culture. = I grew up around guys - I have three brothers, I dated a lot of great guys= and had mostly guy friends - and I'm happy to say I have a terrific, suppo= rtive, dare-I-say feminist husband. But I look around me and wish for more = positive role models, for some support for women who need to be protected, = for a place where girls don't have to worry about what they wear for fear t= hey will be attacked.=0A=0A--Jeannine Hall Gailley [con't -- http://www.we= bbish6.com/2009/05/so-after-reading-about-feminism-here.html]=0A=0A~~~=0A= =0AI know there are more forums planned (I plan to co-organize one, too), b= ut I hope this topic gets a second run, because I imagine there are plenty = of women [poets] who thought they weren't feminist poets until they read th= is -- just as there were contributors who thought they weren't feminist poe= ts until they entered grad school, until they were employed by a bureaucrac= y, until they sat down to write their pieces.=0A=0A=0AA note on blog commen= t boxes: It's a thrill to see these filled with women's opinions. I can fee= l, but can't yet quite articulate, how the rhetoric shifts when women enter= into comment-box conversations. It seems to me that comment boxes are some= times like city streets at night: women know they shouldn't go alone, know = they risk danger -- leering eyes, men who do not know how to listen in earn= est but would rather hear themselves talk.=0A=0A--Becca Klaver [con't -- ht= tp://beccaklaver.blogspot.com/2009/05/on-delirious-hem-this-is-what-feminis= t.html]=0A=0A~~~~=0A=0ASo what to add? How about a confession I'm not suppo= sed to make. When I was pregnant, I desperately wanted a boy and when I fou= nd out I was having a boy, I cried with joy...=0A=0A=0ABut I did have a pre= ference. There are some personal, complicated reasons, but also there is a = philosophical one. I want to try to contribute to society a man who is thou= ghtful, introspective and considerate. Somebody who doesn't view himself as= the center, the norm, the standard. A man who can both respect and not tak= e advantage of the women of his generation. As feminists and mothers in gen= eral, I believe we spend a lot of time making up for what current society l= acks and preparing our daughters to handle that. I think this is incredibly= important and must continue. But I think some of us overlook how we need t= o prepare our sons. It's easy to do, society offers so many more advantages= to our sons. But society fails them on many other levels.=0A=0A=0A...For i= nstance, many of the poet-dads brag about "changing a lot of diapers" or st= aying home a day or two a week to watch their children. Yes, that's great. = Yes, it undoubtedly is helpful to the mother. Yes, that's likely a big step= forward from what their fathers did. But these guys see themselves as hero= s almost, like what their doing is above and beyond the expectation. It doe= sn't occur to them that 30% of diaper changing and 20% of childcare is clos= er to being described as supplemental.=0A=0A=0AI wouldn't even mind this im= balance if there was at least an better awareness of it. A poet-dad admitti= ng that his wife does the bulk of the child rearing which allows him to wri= te more and travel, well that's a totally different situation. That's aware= ness and honesty. He's not inflating himself or diminishing her.=0A=0A=0ACa= n you imagine a poet-mom bragging that she changes a lot of diapers? Your r= esponse would be, um, yeah, that's part of raising a baby. If I bragged abo= ut staying home to watch my child, you'd stare and scratch your head. Yes, = you're a mother, you don't leave your young child alone to fend for himself= . How many times have I heard a poet-dad say he's "babysitting" his own chi= ldren? How can one babysit his own child? Aren't poets supposedly be consci= ous of their word choices? How many poet-dads of young children go away to = writing colonies for a month at a time without a second thought? It's kind = of amazing. I go away for three nights and am constantly reminded, often by= complete strangers, how lucky (and of course, selfish I am) to leave my so= n with his own father.=0A=0A--Reb Livingston [con't -- http://reblivingston= .blogspot.com/2009/05/let-me-build-you-statue.html]=0A=0A~~~=0A=0ASo it isn= =E2=80=99t like that when I say I was a feminist for two seconds. I didn=E2= =80=99t get it, and I still want to be one. I wish I was a feminist more th= an anything. I did a semester in grad school for theology because I think f= eminist theology is maybe second only to queer theology in terms of, you kn= ow, solving all of life=E2=80=99s problems. My tongue is set firmly on the = bottom of my mouth here.=0A=0A=0A...But I think I was discouraged from all = of this by the cool reception I got from women, and also by the sheer diffi= culty of trying to comprehend feminist intellectuals who make it a point to= work outside of the patriarchal system that I am fully steeped in.=0A=0A= =0A....At any rate, I kind of don=E2=80=99t pay a lot of attention to femin= ist currents anymore.=0A=0A=0ABut there is a really awesome new bloggish ca= lled Delirious Hem, chock full of poets (women poets) describing their rela= tionship to feminism. It=E2=80=99s personal stuff, smart stuff, really clev= er at times and really aware of the problems of communicating this way, and= the problems of not.=0A=0A=0A--Adam Robinson [con't -- http://htmlgiant.co= m/?p=3D8885]=0A=0A=0A~~~~=0A=0APractice, on the other hand, can move only i= n relation to the world=E2=80=99s pace. While some things about the social = condition of women (which?) have changed since earlier generations of femin= ist discourse, other things have changed more slowly if it all (which?).=0A= =0A=0A...The arriving at (feminist) consciousness narrative. A fact of bein= g human: nobody=E2=80=99s born knowing anything. So learning to be a femini= st requires those moments of experience and recognition when one discovers = why it matters, and every writer who becomes invested in feminism has to ha= ve such moments.=0A=0A=0AAnd yet, of course, the fact that everyone has to = have them means that there=E2=80=99s now quite a history of narratives rega= rding the arrival at feminist consciousness.=0A=0A=0A....The role of articu= lating a poetics as such. Feminism is of course fundamentally a cultural pr= actice. It=E2=80=99s possible to be a feminist without being a poet or an a= rtist at all, obviously. So is there a specific relation between feminism a= nd the actual practice of writing lines of poetry (or other kinds of writin= g) in this or that way? If feminism can be not simply a cultural theory but= also a poetics, how does that poetics look as an actual practice of how to= write? And how are the questions of how to write and what to write about c= onnected?=0A=0A=0A...Does a list like this really have much value? Who know= s. Nonetheless, it has been fascinating for me to think again about how ali= ve and well feminist poetry still is as it brings new concerns into relatio= nship with many of its ongoing ones.=0A=0A=0A--Mark Wallace [con't -- http:= //wallacethinksagain.blogspot.com/2009/05/post-millenial-feminist-poetry.ht= ml]=0A=0A~~~=0A=0AAnd much, much more to start thinking about over at Delir= ious Hem -- http://www.delirioushem.blogspot.com/=0A=0A=0AThanks for listen= ing,=0A=0AAmy=0A=0A=0A_______=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAmy's Alias=0A=0Ahttp://amyking= .org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:21:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: book ideas? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20090522141251.03a73b20@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit eliot weinberger edited Poetry after 1950 which is out of print but maybe you can contact him directly as it has commentary--he is involved with the rothenberg too. On 5/22/09 2:14 PM, "Mark Weiss" wrote: > Check out Poems for the Millennium vol 2, ed. Rothenberg and Joris > (UC Press). You might even want to use it as your textbook. > > Mark > > At 12:31 PM 5/21/2009, you wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm teaching a senior undergraduate course entitled "Poetry since >> 1950" in the fall, and I'm making up my own anthology as a course >> package so as to include a fair amount of experimental material. >> However, I need some ideas for a short critical overview of >> contemporary poetry that takes a world or at least trans-Atlantic >> perspective and addresses historical contexts, movements, issues in >> poetics, etc. Is there such a book available? >> >> Thanks for ideas. >> >> Hilary Clark >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:26:56 -0400 Reply-To: Aryanil Mukherjee Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Aryanil Mukherjee Subject: Re: book ideas? In-Reply-To: <4259839.34911243020381689.JavaMail.root@dom-zbox1.bo3.lycos.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second it. True. Its hard to find a better anthology of post-war world poetry. Aryanil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Weiss" To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 2:14:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: book ideas? Check out Poems for the Millennium vol 2, ed. Rothenberg and Joris (UC Press). You might even want to use it as your textbook. Mark At 12:31 PM 5/21/2009, you wrote: >Hello, > >I'm teaching a senior undergraduate course entitled "Poetry since >1950" in the fall, and I'm making up my own anthology as a course >package so as to include a fair amount of experimental material. >However, I need some ideas for a short critical overview of >contemporary poetry that takes a world or at least trans-Atlantic >perspective and addresses historical contexts, movements, issues in >poetics, etc. Is there such a book available? > >Thanks for ideas. > >Hilary Clark > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 17:41:57 EDT Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ann Bogle Subject: Feminist poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A response to Amy King's post about recent web developments in feminist poetics: I attempted to comment at Mark Wallace's website a few days ago, and the comment -- never transmitted -- went up in a puff of peace smoke. I had tried to explain -- something I have written about at my weblog -- that in the early 80s -- "feminist" where I lived in Madison (beloved city) meant "radical, lesbian separatist feminist." I explain further at my weblog that there was a difference between academic feminist scholarship (phenomenal) and lesbian street feminist (raw). The womyn's commune where I lived filled seats to hear women's poetry and promoted street feminism. I moved next to upstate New York, where few people (Mark Wallace an exception) talked about feminism in creative writing. There were international feminist scholars in training. One American woman feminist Ph.D. candidate was driven crazy with sticks. Her audibly dry mouth during seminar was almost the first I'd known of anti-depressants. Street feminism upstate was pro-choice activism, and as many men as women participated (the redneck men with shotguns). In Texas, I wrote a short story about it, and the editor (an influential "writer-who-happens-to-be-a-(white)-woman") read mysterious hinterlands anti-semitism into the pro-choice male vigilantes. That short story (called "Hymen") became boilerplate in workshop, running through three guest workshop "leaders" before it died on the schoolroom floor. Texas in the early 90s was a trip. Texas is in favor of sexuality generally, and the politics of sexuality were a little hard to stab w/ a pickle fork. The strippers were the feminists and anti-war activists. Two of the strippers were the only two mothers among the graduate students. The strippers were the textual feminist critics in creative writing prose, too. I called it "finger-touch" feminism. It was witty, erudite, delicate, and literate. We did it quietly at the workshop table surrounded by male and female writers whose work was more likely to see mainstream publication. New feminism -- stirrings of which are wafting like violets in our hair -- is new femininity. You don't get to punch the sky in new femininity, but you do get to knit. Knitting is big, so is embroidery, needlework of all kinds. Bored by textual feminism, it over, the women started on needle crafts and waited, first for Obama, when it was Bush, now for Michelle Obama's next gorgeous cover. My mother (who had wanted a career in public office) once knitted a tailored three-color v-neck-turtleneck for my Barbie. My sister, who is a textual designer, and I still can't believe she knit it. AMB ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 18:21:29 EDT Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ann Bogle Subject: Re: Feminist poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A v-striped-turtleneck? My sister, though she also writes, is a textile designer. AMB In a message dated 5/22/2009 4:41:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, AMBogle2 writes: My mother (who had wanted a career in public office) once knitted a tailored three-color v-neck-turtleneck for my Barbie. My sister, who is a textual designer, and I still can't believe she knit it. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 18:39:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Re: book ideas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Under the Rock Umbrella Contemporary Poets 1951-77 Edited by William Walsh Mercer University Press (2006) --Gerald Schwartz > Hello, > > I'm teaching a senior undergraduate course entitled "Poetry since 1950" in > the fall, and I'm making up my own anthology as a course package so as to > include a fair amount of experimental material. However, I need some ideas > for a short critical overview of contemporary poetry that takes a world or > at least trans-Atlantic perspective and addresses historical contexts, > movements, issues in poetics, etc. Is there such a book available? > > Thanks for ideas. > > Hilary Clark > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 18:36:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query In-Reply-To: <327115.90016.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amy, I am surprised that you are the one asking the question about the moribund state of the Poetics List today since, if I remember correctly, you were instrumental in its creation. Under the overly broad rubric of "flaming," including within it unsavory ideas, and also banning the posting of any individual works new rules drain the Poetics List of all its energy and turned it essential a trade list where people list their publications and poetry readings. Polemics is the bread and butter of thought. Heated polemics is the bread and butter of passionate, committed thought -a quality, as you have noted this list has been devoid of for quite a long time. Words don't break bones= . I never quite understood what is to me the extreme squeamishness about flaming. That's me I suppose with all my male, aggressive hormones going al= l the time. As for your comments about the recent London research results. I am one of those responded to you, thinking I was posting to the list. For some reason= , my response was back channeled to you. Anyone who has taught a class of hig= h school or early college students know very well how students -male and female- approach poetry with anxiety, with a sense that poetry requires rules or attitudes they are not familiar with or are alien to them. This wa= s a casual cultural comment -a bit of kvetching by a poet- which it seems, to my amazement, you fantasized into a sexual verbal attack. Ciao, Murat On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 3:24 PM, amy king wrote: > I wanted to call this post, "Feminism: Not Just for Women Anymore" but > figured such a title might cause more than a few to 86 this straight to t= he > trash bin. > > > After posting my miscellany note earlier today, one guy actually followed > up and gave me even more grief for being annoyed that he assumed I was > shocked by the Briton study ("fine fine geez). I answered the other two > guys by posting my response frontchannel. Only one person started a > respectful conversation with me backchannel about the study. > > > So my question to the first chap who asked why would I post a study that > includes info "we [Poetics list members] already know" (i.e. that people = are > afraid of poetry) was: If we were on a politics listserv and I posted a > recent study that found many thought marriage equality was about civil > rights or was overdue, would he then also question why I was shocked? An= d > is it an accident that two other men asked me backchannel why I was > surprised by the study? > > > This type of exchange raises all sorts of questions for me about this lis= t. > That study was posted on another listserv by a man (James). I don't thi= nk > he was queried about his motivation, nor was it assumed he was > shocked/surprised by the study. Correct me if I'm wrong, James. And yes,= I > think this is a gender issue. > > > I'm not alone as of late in wondering about the dynamics of listserve > etiquette, the different models of "feminine" and "masculine" exchange, a= nd > just why this particular listserv, with nearly 2,000 members now, has gro= wn > so utterly quiet in discussion. I know I'm opening a can of worms now wi= th > this line of inquiry (pin the bulls eye on my forehead gently, please), b= ut > while it seems the old model of open, unchecked exchange led to more > discussion in years past, a ton of flaming and ad hom attacks inevitably = and > typically spiraled into intimidation and attack mode, overwhelming and > silencing most of the female members as well as many men who simply didn'= t > have the time or interest to engage in such battles. > What was the past attraction? Does aggressive baiting stimulate? False > accusations or intentional misreadings? I wonder if it's a coincidence t= hat > debate has significantly tapered now that those types of exchanges are > prohibited. Even more telling, when I post a note of miscellany as a wom= an, > I am "checked" backchannel by several men who projected a response onto m= e > that I simply did not have nor indicate anywhere in my posting, forcing m= e > into defense mode to waste more time that would be better served in > discussion/debate. These types of exchanges are old school and so very > tired. > > > The women of Delirous Hem [http://www.delirioushem.blogspot.com/] have > recently been discussing the dynamics of such exchange as well as how men > and women are actually advancing a feminist poetics. This line of inquir= y > has even led a few to wonder aloud (via their blogs) just what a feminist > poetics is and how to promote it. Even a few men aren't afraid of the > notion that we need new models of exchange, which is a poetics too. > Feminist modes of thinking and operating may not, after all, be for wome= n > only. I don't have the answers, but feminist imaginings may actually > provide models by which we can jump start a listserv that seems to have > grown quiet in exchange, even by initially asking, Just what can feminist > thinking make us aware of and what models for discussion might we use? Wh= at > is a feminist poetics, exactly? What are the aims of feminist-minded poe= ts? > ... Some excerpts from the Delirous Hem responses: > > > "while ideas live differently in different cultures, equality is not > necessarily a cultural idea/value; its thorough application would involve= a > change in culture, and as an idea, it might arise or live differently in > different cultures, sure" > -- Catherine Daly ( > http://cadaly.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-does-feminist-poet-look-like-or.h= tml > ) > > ~~~ > > Gina Myers, a teacher, a poet, and an all around amazing human being, has= a > piece up over at Delirious Hem, a blog for women poets. Myers' piece, > entitled "This is what a [post] feminist [poet] looks like," explores her > relationship with feminism in a so-called "post feminist" society. ... > > > Myers' poetry is an inspiration to all who read it, and in he piece, she > reflects on her work co-directing the Vagina Monologues at a small town > community college in the middle of a corn field and overflowing with sexi= st, > homophobic ideologies that only a select few seem to want to fight agains= t. > > > I did not see one cause as being more important than others, nor did I > necessarily see them as being separate causes. The larger issue is social > justice, and I have continued to live my life committed to this one cause= . > > --Feministing [cont'd > http://community.feministing.com/2009/05/this-is-what-a-post-feminist-p.h= tml > ] > > ~~~ > > A lot of the poems in Becoming the Villainess were written after these > experiences left me frustrated - "Okay, Ophelia" is one of them. I starte= d > noticing that the culture does a great job of portraying women as eye can= dy, > as victims and villainesses, but not a great job of portraying them as > anything else. I started thinking about the mythology and fairy tale stor= ies > I grew up with, and how women today could or couldn't model themselves af= ter > those characters. > > > ...The poems grew out of my increasing awareness of how women are treated > now, in myth, and in our culture. I grew up around guys - I have three > brothers, I dated a lot of great guys and had mostly guy friends - and I'= m > happy to say I have a terrific, supportive, dare-I-say feminist husband. = But > I look around me and wish for more positive role models, for some support > for women who need to be protected, for a place where girls don't have to > worry about what they wear for fear they will be attacked. > > --Jeannine Hall Gailley [con't -- > http://www.webbish6.com/2009/05/so-after-reading-about-feminism-here.html= ] > > ~~~ > > I know there are more forums planned (I plan to co-organize one, too), bu= t > I hope this topic gets a second run, because I imagine there are plenty o= f > women [poets] who thought they weren't feminist poets until they read thi= s > -- just as there were contributors who thought they weren't feminist poet= s > until they entered grad school, until they were employed by a bureaucracy= , > until they sat down to write their pieces. > > > A note on blog comment boxes: It's a thrill to see these filled with > women's opinions. I can feel, but can't yet quite articulate, how the > rhetoric shifts when women enter into comment-box conversations. It seems= to > me that comment boxes are sometimes like city streets at night: women kno= w > they shouldn't go alone, know they risk danger -- leering eyes, men who d= o > not know how to listen in earnest but would rather hear themselves talk. > > --Becca Klaver [con't -- > http://beccaklaver.blogspot.com/2009/05/on-delirious-hem-this-is-what-fem= inist.html > ] > > ~~~~ > > So what to add? How about a confession I'm not supposed to make. When I w= as > pregnant, I desperately wanted a boy and when I found out I was having a > boy, I cried with joy... > > > But I did have a preference. There are some personal, complicated reasons= , > but also there is a philosophical one. I want to try to contribute to > society a man who is thoughtful, introspective and considerate. Somebody = who > doesn't view himself as the center, the norm, the standard. A man who can > both respect and not take advantage of the women of his generation. As > feminists and mothers in general, I believe we spend a lot of time making= up > for what current society lacks and preparing our daughters to handle that= . I > think this is incredibly important and must continue. But I think some of= us > overlook how we need to prepare our sons. It's easy to do, society offers= so > many more advantages to our sons. But society fails them on many other > levels. > > > ...For instance, many of the poet-dads brag about "changing a lot of > diapers" or staying home a day or two a week to watch their children. Yes= , > that's great. Yes, it undoubtedly is helpful to the mother. Yes, that's > likely a big step forward from what their fathers did. But these guys see > themselves as heros almost, like what their doing is above and beyond the > expectation. It doesn't occur to them that 30% of diaper changing and 20%= of > childcare is closer to being described as supplemental. > > > I wouldn't even mind this imbalance if there was at least an better > awareness of it. A poet-dad admitting that his wife does the bulk of the > child rearing which allows him to write more and travel, well that's a > totally different situation. That's awareness and honesty. He's not > inflating himself or diminishing her. > > > Can you imagine a poet-mom bragging that she changes a lot of diapers? Yo= ur > response would be, um, yeah, that's part of raising a baby. If I bragged > about staying home to watch my child, you'd stare and scratch your head. > Yes, you're a mother, you don't leave your young child alone to fend for > himself. How many times have I heard a poet-dad say he's "babysitting" hi= s > own children? How can one babysit his own child? Aren't poets supposedly = be > conscious of their word choices? How many poet-dads of young children go > away to writing colonies for a month at a time without a second thought? > It's kind of amazing. I go away for three nights and am constantly remind= ed, > often by complete strangers, how lucky (and of course, selfish I am) to > leave my son with his own father. > > --Reb Livingston [con't -- > http://reblivingston.blogspot.com/2009/05/let-me-build-you-statue.html] > > ~~~ > > So it isn=92t like that when I say I was a feminist for two seconds. I di= dn=92t > get it, and I still want to be one. I wish I was a feminist more than > anything. I did a semester in grad school for theology because I think > feminist theology is maybe second only to queer theology in terms of, you > know, solving all of life=92s problems. My tongue is set firmly on the bo= ttom > of my mouth here. > > > ...But I think I was discouraged from all of this by the cool reception I > got from women, and also by the sheer difficulty of trying to comprehend > feminist intellectuals who make it a point to work outside of the > patriarchal system that I am fully steeped in. > > > ....At any rate, I kind of don=92t pay a lot of attention to feminist > currents anymore. > > > But there is a really awesome new bloggish called Delirious Hem, chock fu= ll > of poets (women poets) describing their relationship to feminism. It=92s > personal stuff, smart stuff, really clever at times and really aware of t= he > problems of communicating this way, and the problems of not. > > > --Adam Robinson [con't -- http://htmlgiant.com/?p=3D8885] > > > ~~~~ > > Practice, on the other hand, can move only in relation to the world=92s p= ace. > While some things about the social condition of women (which?) have chang= ed > since earlier generations of feminist discourse, other things have change= d > more slowly if it all (which?). > > > ...The arriving at (feminist) consciousness narrative. A fact of being > human: nobody=92s born knowing anything. So learning to be a feminist req= uires > those moments of experience and recognition when one discovers why it > matters, and every writer who becomes invested in feminism has to have su= ch > moments. > > > And yet, of course, the fact that everyone has to have them means that > there=92s now quite a history of narratives regarding the arrival at femi= nist > consciousness. > > > ....The role of articulating a poetics as such. Feminism is of course > fundamentally a cultural practice. It=92s possible to be a feminist witho= ut > being a poet or an artist at all, obviously. So is there a specific relat= ion > between feminism and the actual practice of writing lines of poetry (or > other kinds of writing) in this or that way? If feminism can be not simpl= y a > cultural theory but also a poetics, how does that poetics look as an actu= al > practice of how to write? And how are the questions of how to write and w= hat > to write about connected? > > > ...Does a list like this really have much value? Who knows. Nonetheless, = it > has been fascinating for me to think again about how alive and well femin= ist > poetry still is as it brings new concerns into relationship with many of = its > ongoing ones. > > > --Mark Wallace [con't -- > http://wallacethinksagain.blogspot.com/2009/05/post-millenial-feminist-po= etry.html > ] > > ~~~ > > And much, much more to start thinking about over at Delirious Hem -- > http://www.delirioushem.blogspot.com/ > > > Thanks for listening, > > Amy > > > _______ > > > > > Amy's Alias > > http://amyking.org/ > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 23:57:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Two great short reviews of Housecat Kung Fu by Geoffrey Gatza Comments: To: Poetryetc poetry and poetics , British & Irish poets Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 Two great short reviews of Housecat Kung Fu by Geoffrey Gatza =20 At Amazon reviewed y Kevin Killian & Galatea Resurrects #12 reviewed by Ruth Lepson =20 http://www.amazon.com/review/R1DR9ZQG8CWXVP/ref=3Dcm_cr_rdp_perm =20 http://galatearesurrection12.blogspot.com/2009/05/housecat-kung-fu-by-geoff= r ey-gatza.html=20 =20 =20 Buy Here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0979411963/ref=3Dcm_rdp_product =20 =20 Geckos with Bristles, May 21, 2009 By Kevin Killian =20 Looks like mighty little Meritage Press has plucked forth another winner, this one with a nursery edge that will have your infants gripping the bars of their cribs and swatting those cut-out animals that dangle, like indents= , above their faces on showy Kid Calder mobiles. Buffalo-based Geoffrey Gatza has long been a man of the animals, and now he has put together a complete collection of animal poems that invites comparison to similar efforts by Marianne Moore and Hilaire Belloc. The poems are illustrated with period woodcuts from a variety of childrens's literature texts of bygone eras, so the glamour of the antique falls gently here and there over what might otherwise be rather a sharp menu to feed baby with. =20 In fact I have a feeling that kids aren't the primary audience for Housecat Kung Fu, though there is nothing that would scare or offend any redblooded kid. Well, there is a Bambi like transition from two giraffes necking, to one of them being taken away and hanged by the neck. But children seem to adore violence and they might well laugh at the surreal practice of hanging anyhow: with a giraffe in the noose Gatza provides an indelible image of th= e wrong. Elsewhere the poems depict "befuiddled" heroes trying to obey strang= e customs that keep them caged, but, as we learn, "one cat's incarceration is another cat's contented cradle." Gatza's poetic invention never flags, and half the fun is seeing how he takes you from one line down to the next--no two poems are alike, except that here an accent on the quirky and mutable can always be heard, an onomatopoetic replicating the mind of the poet meeting the greater minds of the animal kingdom. =20 An attractive and illuminating book of wisdom. =20 http://www.amazon.com/review/R1DR9ZQG8CWXVP/ref=3Dcm_cr_rdp_perm =20 =20 =20 =20 HOUSECAT KUNG FU by GEOFFREY GATZA RUTH LEPSON Reviews =20 Housecat Kung Fu by Geoffrey Gatza (Meritage Press, St. Helena & San Francisco, 2009) =20 Geoffrey Gatza has moments of Leslie Scalapinoism: =20 Consumed, I began cleaning; as a portrait of moments flicking out a drifting life, a lake, an edited reality =20 =20 of sweet humor: =20 a hazelnut is a miserable/ nut to quarrel with...a man=B9s heart devises his dance/and earth charms away his days =20 =20 of visual poetry: =20 There are two sides to every tablecloth is a line that gets paler as we see the other side of the tablecloth =20 =20 of personification that moves compelling sounds through emotion: =20 look at me alive =20 frozen paths cut =20 lonely blankets of snow =20 =20 moments live for days =20 =20 crazy flights of imagination: =20 so I took off my nose and unzipped my skin and folded it neatly by the reflecting pond so no one would think those awful things people think about people who go leaving their skin any which way =20 =20 his own set of myths, for instance, how the jellyfish was beaten into a quivering lump =20 and endless sweetness and sympathy: =20 maddened moments of trees in terrible pain, Cars rusting on their underbelly =20 =20 so read his book HOUSECAT KUNG FU, whether you are an adult or a child, because once you start you will want to continue. =20 ***** =20 Ruth Lepson is poet-in-res at New England Conservatory of Music. Her books are Dreaming in Color, Poetry from Sojourner: A Feminist Anthology (ed.), Morphology, a collaboration with artist Rusty Crump of his & her pix & her prose poems, and, forthcoming from blazeVOX.org, I Went Looking for You. Sh= e has been performing with jazz musicians Noah Preminger & Eric Lane in low road, & the group has a CD forthcoming. =20 =20 http://galatearesurrection12.blogspot.com/2009/05/housecat-kung-fu-by-geoff= r ey-gatza.html=20 =20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 00:17:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: NYT review of Frederick Seidel's New Poetry Collection Selection MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/books/review/Orr-t.html BOOKS / SUNDAY BOOK REVIEW=20 =20 | May 24=2C 2009 On Poetry:=20 The Edge of Night By DAVID ORR Frederick Seidel has spent the last half-century being the darkest and stra= ngest sort of poet. =20 =09 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 20:35:15 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: a few posts from tinfisheditor blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --"Words are what sticks to the real": Wayne Kaumali... --Ventriloquists from Laenani to Palo Alto --Forgetting poets; or the evanescence of memorials --Albert Wendt and the Adventures of Genre http://tinfisheditor.blogspot.com Susan ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 13:20:06 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0905221536i646157e4k6c6f46134dbab3a1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Murat, Amy, I do not know what kind of answer Murat forwarded but if it is within the limits Murat sets, it wasn't certainly the one that triggered Amy's response. I do not agree with Murat that Amy wanted the list to die down, and I am with Amy in being able to speak rather than insult. I have had my part of insults from one list and that is why I rarely contribute to some. About the link Amy forwarded, I remember thinking, "ah the Britons". I went to England for several stays, and I read many posts/books by Britons. That is how I justify my comprehension of the undoubtedly true statistic. As I know the people of the north and the people of the south, as Mme de Stael would put it more broadly. I cannot understand why such an article aroused any anti-feminist remarks, this really goes beyond my comprehension. With my best wishes, Anny On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrot= e: > Amy, > > I am surprised that you are the one asking the question about the moribun= d > state of the Poetics List today since, if I remember correctly, you were > instrumental in its creation. Under the overly broad rubric of "flaming," > including within it unsavory ideas, and also banning the posting of any > individual works new rules drain the Poetics List of all its energy and > turned it essential a trade list where people list their publications and > poetry readings. > > Polemics is the bread and butter of thought. Heated polemics is the bread > and butter of passionate, committed thought -a quality, as you have noted > this list has been devoid of for quite a long time. Words don't break > bones. > I never quite understood what is to me the extreme squeamishness about > flaming. That's me I suppose with all my male, aggressive hormones going > all > the time. > > As for your comments about the recent London research results. I am one o= f > those responded to you, thinking I was posting to the list. For some > reason, > my response was back channeled to you. Anyone who has taught a class of > high > school or early college students know very well how students -male and > female- approach poetry with anxiety, with a sense that poetry requires > rules or attitudes they are not familiar with or are alien to them. This > was > a casual cultural comment -a bit of kvetching by a poet- which it seems, = to > my amazement, you fantasized into a sexual verbal attack. > > Ciao, > > Murat > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 3:24 PM, amy king wrote: > > > I wanted to call this post, "Feminism: Not Just for Women Anymore" but > > figured such a title might cause more than a few to 86 this straight to > the > > trash bin. > > > > > > After posting my miscellany note earlier today, one guy actually follow= ed > > up and gave me even more grief for being annoyed that he assumed I was > > shocked by the Briton study ("fine fine geez). I answered the other tw= o > > guys by posting my response frontchannel. Only one person started a > > respectful conversation with me backchannel about the study. > > > > > > So my question to the first chap who asked why would I post a study tha= t > > includes info "we [Poetics list members] already know" (i.e. that peopl= e > are > > afraid of poetry) was: If we were on a politics listserv and I posted= a > > recent study that found many thought marriage equality was about civil > > rights or was overdue, would he then also question why I was shocked? > And > > is it an accident that two other men asked me backchannel why I was > > surprised by the study? > > > > > > This type of exchange raises all sorts of questions for me about this > list. > > That study was posted on another listserv by a man (James). I don't > think > > he was queried about his motivation, nor was it assumed he was > > shocked/surprised by the study. Correct me if I'm wrong, James. And ye= s, > I > > think this is a gender issue. > > > > > > I'm not alone as of late in wondering about the dynamics of listserve > > etiquette, the different models of "feminine" and "masculine" exchange, > and > > just why this particular listserv, with nearly 2,000 members now, has > grown > > so utterly quiet in discussion. I know I'm opening a can of worms now > with > > this line of inquiry (pin the bulls eye on my forehead gently, please), > but > > while it seems the old model of open, unchecked exchange led to more > > discussion in years past, a ton of flaming and ad hom attacks inevitabl= y > and > > typically spiraled into intimidation and attack mode, overwhelming and > > silencing most of the female members as well as many men who simply > didn't > > have the time or interest to engage in such battles. > > What was the past attraction? Does aggressive baiting stimulate? Fals= e > > accusations or intentional misreadings? I wonder if it's a coincidence > that > > debate has significantly tapered now that those types of exchanges are > > prohibited. Even more telling, when I post a note of miscellany as a > woman, > > I am "checked" backchannel by several men who projected a response onto > me > > that I simply did not have nor indicate anywhere in my posting, forcing > me > > into defense mode to waste more time that would be better served in > > discussion/debate. These types of exchanges are old school and so very > > tired. > > > > > > The women of Delirous Hem [http://www.delirioushem.blogspot.com/] have > > recently been discussing the dynamics of such exchange as well as how m= en > > and women are actually advancing a feminist poetics. This line of > inquiry > > has even led a few to wonder aloud (via their blogs) just what a femini= st > > poetics is and how to promote it. Even a few men aren't afraid of the > > notion that we need new models of exchange, which is a poetics too. > > Feminist modes of thinking and operating may not, after all, be for > women > > only. I don't have the answers, but feminist imaginings may actually > > provide models by which we can jump start a listserv that seems to have > > grown quiet in exchange, even by initially asking, Just what can femini= st > > thinking make us aware of and what models for discussion might we use? > What > > is a feminist poetics, exactly? What are the aims of feminist-minded > poets? > > ... Some excerpts from the Delirous Hem responses: > > > > > > "while ideas live differently in different cultures, equality is not > > necessarily a cultural idea/value; its thorough application would invol= ve > a > > change in culture, and as an idea, it might arise or live differently i= n > > different cultures, sure" > > -- Catherine Daly ( > > > http://cadaly.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-does-feminist-poet-look-like-or.h= tml > > ) > > > > ~~~ > > > > Gina Myers, a teacher, a poet, and an all around amazing human being, h= as > a > > piece up over at Delirious Hem, a blog for women poets. Myers' piece, > > entitled "This is what a [post] feminist [poet] looks like," explores h= er > > relationship with feminism in a so-called "post feminist" society. ... > > > > > > Myers' poetry is an inspiration to all who read it, and in he piece, sh= e > > reflects on her work co-directing the Vagina Monologues at a small town > > community college in the middle of a corn field and overflowing with > sexist, > > homophobic ideologies that only a select few seem to want to fight > against. > > > > > > I did not see one cause as being more important than others, nor did I > > necessarily see them as being separate causes. The larger issue is soci= al > > justice, and I have continued to live my life committed to this one > cause. > > > > --Feministing [cont'd > > > http://community.feministing.com/2009/05/this-is-what-a-post-feminist-p.h= tml > > ] > > > > ~~~ > > > > A lot of the poems in Becoming the Villainess were written after these > > experiences left me frustrated - "Okay, Ophelia" is one of them. I > started > > noticing that the culture does a great job of portraying women as eye > candy, > > as victims and villainesses, but not a great job of portraying them as > > anything else. I started thinking about the mythology and fairy tale > stories > > I grew up with, and how women today could or couldn't model themselves > after > > those characters. > > > > > > ...The poems grew out of my increasing awareness of how women are treat= ed > > now, in myth, and in our culture. I grew up around guys - I have three > > brothers, I dated a lot of great guys and had mostly guy friends - and > I'm > > happy to say I have a terrific, supportive, dare-I-say feminist husband= . > But > > I look around me and wish for more positive role models, for some suppo= rt > > for women who need to be protected, for a place where girls don't have = to > > worry about what they wear for fear they will be attacked. > > > > --Jeannine Hall Gailley [con't -- > > > http://www.webbish6.com/2009/05/so-after-reading-about-feminism-here.html= ] > > > > ~~~ > > > > I know there are more forums planned (I plan to co-organize one, too), > but > > I hope this topic gets a second run, because I imagine there are plenty > of > > women [poets] who thought they weren't feminist poets until they read > this > > -- just as there were contributors who thought they weren't feminist > poets > > until they entered grad school, until they were employed by a > bureaucracy, > > until they sat down to write their pieces. > > > > > > A note on blog comment boxes: It's a thrill to see these filled with > > women's opinions. I can feel, but can't yet quite articulate, how the > > rhetoric shifts when women enter into comment-box conversations. It see= ms > to > > me that comment boxes are sometimes like city streets at night: women > know > > they shouldn't go alone, know they risk danger -- leering eyes, men who > do > > not know how to listen in earnest but would rather hear themselves talk= . > > > > --Becca Klaver [con't -- > > > http://beccaklaver.blogspot.com/2009/05/on-delirious-hem-this-is-what-fem= inist.html > > ] > > > > ~~~~ > > > > So what to add? How about a confession I'm not supposed to make. When I > was > > pregnant, I desperately wanted a boy and when I found out I was having = a > > boy, I cried with joy... > > > > > > But I did have a preference. There are some personal, complicated > reasons, > > but also there is a philosophical one. I want to try to contribute to > > society a man who is thoughtful, introspective and considerate. Somebod= y > who > > doesn't view himself as the center, the norm, the standard. A man who c= an > > both respect and not take advantage of the women of his generation. As > > feminists and mothers in general, I believe we spend a lot of time maki= ng > up > > for what current society lacks and preparing our daughters to handle > that. I > > think this is incredibly important and must continue. But I think some = of > us > > overlook how we need to prepare our sons. It's easy to do, society offe= rs > so > > many more advantages to our sons. But society fails them on many other > > levels. > > > > > > ...For instance, many of the poet-dads brag about "changing a lot of > > diapers" or staying home a day or two a week to watch their children. > Yes, > > that's great. Yes, it undoubtedly is helpful to the mother. Yes, that's > > likely a big step forward from what their fathers did. But these guys s= ee > > themselves as heros almost, like what their doing is above and beyond t= he > > expectation. It doesn't occur to them that 30% of diaper changing and 2= 0% > of > > childcare is closer to being described as supplemental. > > > > > > I wouldn't even mind this imbalance if there was at least an better > > awareness of it. A poet-dad admitting that his wife does the bulk of th= e > > child rearing which allows him to write more and travel, well that's a > > totally different situation. That's awareness and honesty. He's not > > inflating himself or diminishing her. > > > > > > Can you imagine a poet-mom bragging that she changes a lot of diapers? > Your > > response would be, um, yeah, that's part of raising a baby. If I bragge= d > > about staying home to watch my child, you'd stare and scratch your head= . > > Yes, you're a mother, you don't leave your young child alone to fend fo= r > > himself. How many times have I heard a poet-dad say he's "babysitting" > his > > own children? How can one babysit his own child? Aren't poets supposedl= y > be > > conscious of their word choices? How many poet-dads of young children g= o > > away to writing colonies for a month at a time without a second thought= ? > > It's kind of amazing. I go away for three nights and am constantly > reminded, > > often by complete strangers, how lucky (and of course, selfish I am) to > > leave my son with his own father. > > > > --Reb Livingston [con't -- > > http://reblivingston.blogspot.com/2009/05/let-me-build-you-statue.html] > > > > ~~~ > > > > So it isn=92t like that when I say I was a feminist for two seconds. I > didn=92t > > get it, and I still want to be one. I wish I was a feminist more than > > anything. I did a semester in grad school for theology because I think > > feminist theology is maybe second only to queer theology in terms of, y= ou > > know, solving all of life=92s problems. My tongue is set firmly on the > bottom > > of my mouth here. > > > > > > ...But I think I was discouraged from all of this by the cool reception= I > > got from women, and also by the sheer difficulty of trying to comprehen= d > > feminist intellectuals who make it a point to work outside of the > > patriarchal system that I am fully steeped in. > > > > > > ....At any rate, I kind of don=92t pay a lot of attention to feminist > > currents anymore. > > > > > > But there is a really awesome new bloggish called Delirious Hem, chock > full > > of poets (women poets) describing their relationship to feminism. It=92= s > > personal stuff, smart stuff, really clever at times and really aware of > the > > problems of communicating this way, and the problems of not. > > > > > > --Adam Robinson [con't -- http://htmlgiant.com/?p=3D8885] > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > Practice, on the other hand, can move only in relation to the world=92s > pace. > > While some things about the social condition of women (which?) have > changed > > since earlier generations of feminist discourse, other things have > changed > > more slowly if it all (which?). > > > > > > ...The arriving at (feminist) consciousness narrative. A fact of being > > human: nobody=92s born knowing anything. So learning to be a feminist > requires > > those moments of experience and recognition when one discovers why it > > matters, and every writer who becomes invested in feminism has to have > such > > moments. > > > > > > And yet, of course, the fact that everyone has to have them means that > > there=92s now quite a history of narratives regarding the arrival at > feminist > > consciousness. > > > > > > ....The role of articulating a poetics as such. Feminism is of course > > fundamentally a cultural practice. It=92s possible to be a feminist wit= hout > > being a poet or an artist at all, obviously. So is there a specific > relation > > between feminism and the actual practice of writing lines of poetry (or > > other kinds of writing) in this or that way? If feminism can be not > simply a > > cultural theory but also a poetics, how does that poetics look as an > actual > > practice of how to write? And how are the questions of how to write and > what > > to write about connected? > > > > > > ...Does a list like this really have much value? Who knows. Nonetheless= , > it > > has been fascinating for me to think again about how alive and well > feminist > > poetry still is as it brings new concerns into relationship with many o= f > its > > ongoing ones. > > > > > > --Mark Wallace [con't -- > > > http://wallacethinksagain.blogspot.com/2009/05/post-millenial-feminist-po= etry.html > > ] > > > > ~~~ > > > > And much, much more to start thinking about over at Delirious Hem -- > > http://www.delirioushem.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > Thanks for listening, > > > > Amy > > > > > > _______ > > > > > > > > > > Amy's Alias > > > > http://amyking.org/ > > > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome http://www.lulu.com/content/5806078 http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 06:45:48 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, Murat -- it's all *my fault* because, according to you, people simply = don't want to join discussions that don't include flaming, name-calling, an= d the posting of their poems. =0A=0AAnd no, I'm not "shocked" you reached = this conclusion either (based on the historical nature of this list, you're= right in line, hence the "bull's eye" notation) -- unfortunately, I think = there is some truth to the idea that some are drawn to discussions for the = mere drama of it all, and drama requires flaming, loud name calling, aggres= sive intimidating rhetoric, etc... =0A=0AAdditionally, discussions are ofte= n about one upping the next guy: the old hierarchical positioning that cer= tainly takes place in conversations can also be seen in many other realms, = including the popular sports realm -- if I disrespect you, then I'm on top.= How many "in your face" moves do we see after someone successfully dunks = a ball or reaches the goal line? I think this list has proven time and tim= e again that the inclination is to devolve into such positioning, most espe= cially among a specific few who cause others to retreat into silence while = said handful dominate with their preening and bashing, degenerating the lis= t's tone with name calling, flaming, ad hom. etc. =0A=0AAnd if *that* is t= he requirement to keep discussions going, then it's a sad one that conclude= s the list is certainly best left for announcements only rather than gettin= g mired into "listening" in on who comes out top dog via such unconstructiv= e debate. =0A=0AI do, however, think that there are other factors to consi= der and am wondering aloud (again, be gentle when you take aim, please). P= erhaps the list is simply too large and a sense of community is no longer f= ostered. Can we actually have international and national discussions? Wha= t forum permits that? The women's poetry listserv, while it has its moment= s, maintains a specific focus that most members remain set on: discussing w= omen's poetry and promoting it. The Lucipo listerv is situated within a ge= ographical community. New Poetry is smaller and has a stable base of parti= cipants who contribute regular poetry/poetics info and respectful debate fo= cused on analyzing poems, among other interesting foci. Of course, all thr= ee of those lists are considerably smaller than Poetics and certainly don't= have the historical base of attack and flaming that Poetics has cultivated= for itself, which is exactly why I was asked to moderate: to put an end t= o the cultivation of that tone. One need only do a search for Buffalo Poetics l= ist to learn of that history. But before all of that, Poetics did foster g= reat discussions on poetry and poetics ...=0A=0AAlso to consider, and I'm n= ot the first to note this: many discussions now take place on blogs. The = proliferation of blogs and their comment streams have opened up smaller, mo= re focused discussions that you can join or ignore. On Poetics, every memb= er receives every post. The same holds true for online forums. Each discu= ssion is labeled, and while there may be nearly two thousand members, they = only read what they want and join topics they deem worthwhile. They are no= t forced to read such discussions as earlier noted (hierarchical positionin= g via flaming). =0A=0AI got to thinking about all of this yesterday mornin= g when someone asked my why the list has had a lull. And then I posted my = miscellany and rec'd some presumptuous queries backchannel. I posted a not= e, below, that I thought might generate some discussion about what has happ= ened to this list and fully expected to be blamed. Don't think, Murat, you= 're alone. I've rec'd a few backchannels in the past with the same sentime= nt - actually from two men specifically. They want free reign to terrorize= as they see fit and they believe bullying me will somehow get that kind of= "power" reinstated. It's too bad that such blindered thinking gets airpla= y and that these men have the stamina to keep working at it. Sadly many ha= ve sent me backchannel support and bow out. I've had many more emails of t= hat variety. The idea is that these latter people want to see a better li= st, one that offers more respectful discussion among members, one in which = they feel safe from name calling if they join in debate, etc. Their numbers have been mu= ch greater than those who would bash me backchannel. But truly, no one wan= ts to waste time defending themselves against willful misreadings and attac= ks on their character. Not even me. =0A=0A=0A =0ACALL FOR CONTRIBUTORS=0A= =0A=0ABeyond this particular discussion and overall, Poetics has been and r= emains a valuable resource. Our numerous members are hard-working poets, r= eviewers, educators, and culture makers. Perhaps it's time to figure out, = communally, how we might revamp the list and generate material for discussi= ons. Many on this list are active bloggers while others have lots to say a= bout the topics debated on those blogs and elsewhere. We might take a cue= from New Poetry and enlist contributors to post --on a schedule even-- abo= ut specific happenings, new and neglected books, schools of thought, and, t= aking a cue from Wompo, a once a week or once a month celebration of an adm= ired poet (on Wompo, it's a "Foremother" celebration), etc. =0A=0AWe could= even have a guest editor for a week or month who could solicit posts and s= teer discussion... =0A=0AI'd be very happy to hear folks' suggestions, and = if you'd like to be a contributor or nominate someone to guest edit, please= contact me. This list offers an instant audience of nearly 2,000 active p= oets and poet appreciators with more joining everyday -- why not try to fig= ure out new possibilities? =0A=0AThanks,=0A=0AAmy=0A=0A=0A=0A_______=0A=0A= =0AAmy's Alias=0Ahttp://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A--- On Fri, 5/22/09, Murat Nem= et-Nejat wrote:=0A=0A> From: Murat Nemet-Nejat =0A> Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query=0A> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.= BUFFALO.EDU=0A> Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 6:36 PM=0A> Amy,=0A> =0A> I am = surprised that you are the one asking the question=0A> about the moribund= =0A> state of the Poetics List today since, if I remember=0A> correctly, yo= u were=0A> instrumental in its creation. Under the overly broad rubric=0A> = of "flaming,"=0A> including within it unsavory ideas, and also banning the= =0A> posting of any=0A> individual works new rules drain the Poetics List o= f all=0A> its energy and=0A> turned it essential a trade list where people = list their=0A> publications and=0A> poetry readings.=0A> =0A> Polemics is t= he bread and butter of thought. Heated=0A> polemics is the bread=0A> and bu= tter of passionate, committed thought -a quality, as=0A> you have noted=0A>= this list has been devoid of for quite a long time. Words=0A> don't break = bones.=0A> I never quite understood what is to me the extreme=0A> squeamish= ness about=0A> flaming. That's me I suppose with all my male, aggressive=0A= > hormones going all=0A> the time.=0A> =0A> As for your comments about the = recent London research=0A> results. I am one of=0A> those responded to you,= thinking I was posting to the list.=0A> For some reason,=0A> my response w= as back channeled to you. Anyone who has=0A> taught a class of high=0A> sch= ool or early college students know very well how=0A> students -male and=0A>= female- approach poetry with anxiety, with a sense that=0A> poetry require= s=0A> rules or attitudes they are not familiar with or are alien=0A> to the= m. This was=0A> a casual cultural comment -a bit of kvetching by a poet-=0A= > which it seems, to=0A> my amazement, you fantasized into a sexual verbal = attack.=0A> =0A> Ciao,=0A> =0A> Murat=0A> =0A> =0A> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at= 3:24 PM, amy king =0A> wrote:=0A> =0A> > I wanted to= call this post, "Feminism:=C2=A0 Not Just=0A> for Women Anymore" but=0A> >= figured such a title might cause more than a few to 86=0A> this straight t= o the=0A> > trash bin.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > After posting my miscellany note e= arlier today, one=0A> guy actually followed=0A> > up and gave me even more = grief for being annoyed that=0A> he assumed I was=0A> > shocked by the Brit= on study ("fine fine geez).=C2=A0 I=0A> answered the other two=0A> > guys b= y posting my response frontchannel.=C2=A0 Only=0A> one person started a=0A>= > respectful conversation with me backchannel about the=0A> study.=0A> >= =0A> >=0A> > So my question to the first chap who asked why would I=0A> pos= t a study that=0A> > includes info "we [Poetics list members] already know"= =0A> (i.e. that people are=0A> > afraid of poetry) was:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0If= we were on=0A> a politics listserv and I posted a=0A> > recent study that = found many thought marriage equality=0A> was about civil=0A> > rights or wa= s overdue, would he then also question why=0A> I was shocked?=C2=A0 And=0A>= > is it an accident that two other men asked me=0A> backchannel why I was= =0A> > surprised by the study?=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > This type of exchange rais= es all sorts of questions=0A> for me about this list.=0A> >=C2=A0 That stud= y was posted on another listserv by a=0A> man (James).=C2=A0 I don't think= =0A> > he was queried about his motivation, nor was it=0A> assumed he was= =0A> > shocked/surprised by the study.=C2=A0 Correct me if=0A> I'm wrong, J= ames. And yes, I=0A> > think this is a gender issue.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > I'm = not alone as of late in wondering about the=0A> dynamics of listserve=0A> >= etiquette, the different models of "feminine" and=0A> "masculine" exchange= , and=0A> > just why this particular listserv, with nearly 2,000=0A> member= s now, has grown=0A> > so utterly quiet in discussion.=C2=A0 I know I'm=0A>= opening a can of worms now with=0A> > this line of inquiry (pin the bulls = eye on my forehead=0A> gently, please), but=0A> > while it seems the old mo= del of open, unchecked=0A> exchange led to more=0A> > discussion in years p= ast, a ton of flaming and ad hom=0A> attacks inevitably and=0A> > typically= spiraled into intimidation and attack mode,=0A> overwhelming and=0A> > sil= encing most of the female members as well as many=0A> men who simply didn't= =0A> > have the time or interest to engage in such battles.=0A> > What was = the past attraction?=C2=A0 Does aggressive=0A> baiting stimulate?=C2=A0 Fal= se=0A> > accusations or intentional misreadings?=C2=A0 I wonder=0A> if it's= a coincidence that=0A> > debate has significantly tapered now that those t= ypes=0A> of exchanges are=0A> > prohibited.=C2=A0 Even more telling, when I= post a=0A> note of miscellany as a woman,=0A> > I am "checked" backchannel= by several men who=0A> projected a response onto me=0A> > that I simply di= d not have nor indicate anywhere in my=0A> posting, forcing me=0A> > into d= efense mode to waste more time that would be=0A> better served in=0A> > dis= cussion/debate.=C2=A0 These types of exchanges are=0A> old school and so ve= ry=0A> > tired.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > The women of Delirous Hem [http://www.del= irioushem.blogspot.com/] have=0A> > recently been discussing the dynamics o= f such exchange=0A> as well as how men=0A> > and women are actually advanci= ng a feminist=0A> poetics.=C2=A0 This line of inquiry=0A> > has even led a = few to wonder aloud (via their blogs)=0A> just what a feminist=0A> > poetic= s is and how to promote it.=C2=A0 Even a few men=0A> aren't afraid of the= =0A> > notion that we need new models of exchange, which is a=0A> poetics t= oo.=0A> >=C2=A0 Feminist modes of thinking and operating may=0A> not, after= all, be for women=0A> > only.=C2=A0 I don't have the answers, but feminist= =0A> imaginings may actually=0A> > provide models by which we can jump star= t a listserv=0A> that seems to have=0A> > grown quiet in exchange, even by = initially asking,=0A> Just what can feminist=0A> > thinking make us aware o= f and what models for=0A> discussion might we use? What=0A> > is a feminist= poetics, exactly?=C2=A0 What are the=0A> aims of feminist-minded poets?=0A= > > ... Some excerpts from the Delirous Hem responses:=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > "w= hile ideas live differently in different cultures,=0A> equality is not=0A> = > necessarily a cultural idea/value; its thorough=0A> application would inv= olve a=0A> > change in culture, and as an idea, it might arise or=0A> live = differently in=0A> > different cultures, sure"=0A> > -- Catherine Daly (=0A= > > http://cadaly.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-does-feminist-poet-look-like-or= .html=0A> > )=0A> >=0A> > ~~~=0A> >=0A> > Gina Myers, a teacher, a poet, an= d an all around=0A> amazing human being, has a=0A> > piece up over at Delir= ious Hem, a blog for women=0A> poets. Myers' piece,=0A> > entitled "This is= what a [post] feminist [poet] looks=0A> like," explores her=0A> > relation= ship with feminism in a so-called "post=0A> feminist" society. ...=0A> >=0A= > >=0A> > Myers' poetry is an inspiration to all who read it,=0A> and in he= piece, she=0A> > reflects on her work co-directing the Vagina=0A> Monologu= es at a small town=0A> > community college in the middle of a corn field an= d=0A> overflowing with sexist,=0A> > homophobic ideologies that only a sele= ct few seem to=0A> want to fight against.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > I did not see o= ne cause as being more important than=0A> others, nor did I=0A> > necessari= ly see them as being separate causes. The=0A> larger issue is social=0A> > = justice, and I have continued to live my life=0A> committed to this one cau= se.=0A> >=0A> > --Feministing [cont'd=0A> > http://community.feministing.co= m/2009/05/this-is-what-a-post-feminist-p.html=0A> > ]=0A> >=0A> > ~~~=0A> >= =0A> > A lot of the poems in Becoming the Villainess were=0A> written after= these=0A> > experiences left me frustrated - "Okay, Ophelia" is=0A> one of= them. I started=0A> > noticing that the culture does a great job of=0A> po= rtraying women as eye candy,=0A> > as victims and villainesses, but not a g= reat job of=0A> portraying them as=0A> > anything else. I started thinking = about the mythology=0A> and fairy tale stories=0A> > I grew up with, and ho= w women today could or couldn't=0A> model themselves after=0A> > those char= acters.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > ...The poems grew out of my increasing awareness = of=0A> how women are treated=0A> > now, in myth, and in our culture.=C2=A0 = I grew up=0A> around guys - I have three=0A> > brothers, I dated a lot of g= reat guys and had mostly=0A> guy friends - and I'm=0A> > happy to say I hav= e a terrific, supportive, dare-I-say=0A> feminist husband. But=0A> > I look= around me and wish for more positive role=0A> models, for some support=0A>= > for women who need to be protected, for a place where=0A> girls don't ha= ve to=0A> > worry about what they wear for fear they will be=0A> attacked.= =0A> >=0A> > --Jeannine Hall Gailley=C2=A0 [con't --=0A> > http://www.webbi= sh6.com/2009/05/so-after-reading-about-feminism-here.html]=0A> >=0A> > ~~~= =0A> >=0A> > I know there are more forums planned (I plan to=0A> co-organiz= e one, too), but=0A> > I hope this topic gets a second run, because I imagi= ne=0A> there are plenty of=0A> > women [poets] who thought they weren't fem= inist poets=0A> until they read this=0A> > -- just as there were contributo= rs who thought they=0A> weren't feminist poets=0A> > until they entered gra= d school, until they were=0A> employed by a bureaucracy,=0A> > until they s= at down to write their pieces.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > A note on blog comment box= es: It's a thrill to see=0A> these filled with=0A> > women's opinions. I ca= n feel, but can't yet quite=0A> articulate, how the=0A> > rhetoric shifts w= hen women enter into comment-box=0A> conversations. It seems to=0A> > me th= at comment boxes are sometimes like city streets=0A> at night: women know= =0A> > they shouldn't go alone, know they risk danger --=0A> leering eyes, = men who do=0A> > not know how to listen in earnest but would rather=0A> hea= r themselves talk.=0A> >=0A> > --Becca Klaver [con't --=0A> > http://beccak= laver.blogspot.com/2009/05/on-delirious-hem-this-is-what-feminist.html=0A> = > ]=0A> >=0A> > ~~~~=0A> >=0A> > So what to add? How about a confession I'm= not=0A> supposed to make. When I was=0A> > pregnant, I desperately wanted = a boy and when I found=0A> out I was having a=0A> > boy, I cried with joy..= .=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > But I did have a preference. There are some personal,= =0A> complicated reasons,=0A> > but also there is a philosophical one. I wa= nt to try=0A> to contribute to=0A> > society a man who is thoughtful, intro= spective and=0A> considerate. Somebody who=0A> > doesn't view himself as th= e center, the norm, the=0A> standard. A man who can=0A> > both respect and = not take advantage of the women of=0A> his generation. As=0A> > feminists a= nd mothers in general, I believe we spend a=0A> lot of time making up=0A> >= for what current society lacks and preparing our=0A> daughters to handle t= hat. I=0A> > think this is incredibly important and must continue.=0A> But = I think some of us=0A> > overlook how we need to prepare our sons. It's eas= y to=0A> do, society offers so=0A> > many more advantages to our sons. But = society fails=0A> them on many other=0A> > levels.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > ...For= instance, many of the poet-dads brag about=0A> "changing a lot of=0A> > di= apers" or staying home a day or two a week to watch=0A> their children. Yes= ,=0A> > that's great. Yes, it undoubtedly is helpful to the=0A> mother. Yes= , that's=0A> > likely a big step forward from what their fathers did.=0A> B= ut these guys see=0A> > themselves as heros almost, like what their doing i= s=0A> above and beyond the=0A> > expectation. It doesn't occur to them that= 30% of=0A> diaper changing and 20% of=0A> > childcare is closer to being d= escribed as=0A> supplemental.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > I wouldn't even mind this i= mbalance if there was at=0A> least an better=0A> > awareness of it. A poet-= dad admitting that his wife=0A> does the bulk of the=0A> > child rearing wh= ich allows him to write more and=0A> travel, well that's a=0A> > totally di= fferent situation. That's awareness and=0A> honesty. He's not=0A> > inflati= ng himself or diminishing her.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > Can you imagine a poet-mom= bragging that she changes a=0A> lot of diapers? Your=0A> > response would = be, um, yeah, that's part of raising a=0A> baby. If I bragged=0A> > about s= taying home to watch my child, you'd stare and=0A> scratch your head.=0A> >= Yes, you're a mother, you don't leave your young child=0A> alone to fend f= or=0A> > himself. How many times have I heard a poet-dad say=0A> he's "baby= sitting" his=0A> > own children? How can one babysit his own child?=0A> Are= n't poets supposedly be=0A> > conscious of their word choices? How many poe= t-dads of=0A> young children go=0A> > away to writing colonies for a month = at a time without=0A> a second thought?=0A> > It's kind of amazing. I go aw= ay for three nights and=0A> am constantly reminded,=0A> > often by complete= strangers, how lucky (and of course,=0A> selfish I am) to=0A> > leave my s= on with his own father.=0A> >=0A> > --Reb Livingston [con't --=0A> > http:/= /reblivingston.blogspot.com/2009/05/let-me-build-you-statue.html]=0A> >=0A>= > ~~~=0A> >=0A> > So it isn=E2=80=99t like that when I say I was a feminis= t=0A> for two seconds. I didn=E2=80=99t=0A> > get it, and I still want to b= e one. I wish I was a=0A> feminist more than=0A> > anything. I did a semest= er in grad school for theology=0A> because I think=0A> > feminist theology = is maybe second only to queer=0A> theology in terms of, you=0A> > know, sol= ving all of life=E2=80=99s problems. My tongue is=0A> set firmly on the bot= tom=0A> > of my mouth here.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > ...But I think I was discoura= ged from all of this by=0A> the cool reception I=0A> > got from women, and = also by the sheer difficulty of=0A> trying to comprehend=0A> > feminist int= ellectuals who make it a point to work=0A> outside of the=0A> > patriarchal= system that I am fully steeped in.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > ....At any rate, I ki= nd of don=E2=80=99t pay a lot of=0A> attention to feminist=0A> > currents a= nymore.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > But there is a really awesome new bloggish called= =0A> Delirious Hem, chock full=0A> > of poets (women poets) describing thei= r relationship=0A> to feminism. It=E2=80=99s=0A> > personal stuff, smart st= uff, really clever at times=0A> and really aware of the=0A> > problems of c= ommunicating this way, and the problems=0A> of not.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > --Ada= m Robinson [con't -- http://htmlgiant.com/?p=3D8885]=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > ~~~~= =0A> >=0A> > Practice, on the other hand, can move only in relation=0A> to = the world=E2=80=99s pace.=0A> > While some things about the social conditio= n of women=0A> (which?) have changed=0A> > since earlier generations of fem= inist discourse, other=0A> things have changed=0A> > more slowly if it all = (which?).=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > ...The arriving at (feminist) consciousness nar= rative.=0A> A fact of being=0A> > human: nobody=E2=80=99s born knowing anyt= hing. So learning=0A> to be a feminist requires=0A> > those moments of expe= rience and recognition when one=0A> discovers why it=0A> > matters, and eve= ry writer who becomes invested in=0A> feminism has to have such=0A> > momen= ts.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > And yet, of course, the fact that everyone has to hav= e=0A> them means that=0A> > there=E2=80=99s now quite a history of narrativ= es regarding=0A> the arrival at feminist=0A> > consciousness.=0A> >=0A> >= =0A> > ....The role of articulating a poetics as such.=0A> Feminism is of c= ourse=0A> > fundamentally a cultural practice. It=E2=80=99s possible to=0A>= be a feminist without=0A> > being a poet or an artist at all, obviously. S= o is=0A> there a specific relation=0A> > between feminism and the actual pr= actice of writing=0A> lines of poetry (or=0A> > other kinds of writing) in = this or that way? If=0A> feminism can be not simply a=0A> > cultural theory= but also a poetics, how does that=0A> poetics look as an actual=0A> > prac= tice of how to write? And how are the questions of=0A> how to write and wha= t=0A> > to write about connected?=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > ...Does a list like thi= s really have much value? Who=0A> knows. Nonetheless, it=0A> > has been fas= cinating for me to think again about how=0A> alive and well feminist=0A> > = poetry still is as it brings new concerns into=0A> relationship with many o= f its=0A> > ongoing ones.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > --Mark Wallace [con't --=0A> > = http://wallacethinksagain.blogspot.com/2009/05/post-millenial-feminist-poet= ry.html=0A> > ]=0A> >=0A> > ~~~=0A> >=0A> > And much, much more to start th= inking about over at=0A> Delirious Hem --=0A> > http://www.delirioushem.blo= gspot.com/=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > Thanks for listening,=0A> >=0A> > Amy=0A> >=0A= > >=0A> > _______=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > Amy's Alias=0A> >=0A> > htt= p://amyking.org/=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =0A> > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept=0A> all posts. Check= guidelines=0A> > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.= html=0A> >=0A> =0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> The Poetics List is mo= derated & does not accept all=0A> posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info:= http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A> =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 06:58:25 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Comments: RFC822 error: Invalid RFC822 field - "Thanks for this, Ann. I wonder if the reasons you give below are why mo=". Rest of header flushed. From: amy king Subject: Re: Feminist poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AThanks for this, Ann. I wonder if the reasons you give below are why mo= re intellectual men are no longer afraid of referring to themselves as femi= nists? Does the new wave of feminism seem less threatening or more invitin= g? Men can be nurturers now but fiscal equality isn't such a consideration= anymore? How does this play out when men encounter feminist poetics? I f= ind more men receptive to the likes of Alice Notley, despite her shirking o= f the notions that women should please - on The Poetics of Disobedience:=0A= =0A"It's very feminist but men seem to enjoy it a lot, it possibly contains= a rather virile approach to things riding roughshod and shooting at every = little duck that seems to pop up. As I implied earlier, Disobedience didn't= exactly set out to be disobedient; it set out actually to try to do the ki= nds of things I'd previously done in different poems all in the same poem, = that is tell a story, interact with the so-called visible or phenomenal the= despised daily, and explore the unconscious. But it got more and more piss= ed off as it confronted the political from an international vantage, dealt = with being a woman in France, with turning fifty and being a poet and thus = seemingly despised or at least ignored."=0A=0A=0ACoincidentally, Belladonna= is sponsoring a conference on Advancing Feminist Poetics this fall at the = CUNY Grad center -- =0A=0ACall For Proposals:=0A=0AAdvancing Feminist Poeti= cs and Activism: A Gathering=0A=0ACUNY Graduate Center, Fall 2009=0A=0AIn c= elebration of its tenth year, Belladonna*/** will join with The CUNY Gradua= te Center's Women's Studies Certificate Program, Center for Research on Wom= en and Society, Center for Humanities, Poetics Group, and English Departmen= t to present a conference aimed at advancing and broadcasting the life of F= eminist Avant-Garde Poetics and Activism Today. The conference will take pl= ace at the CUNY Graduate Center on September 24 and 25, 2009.=0A=0AOur goal= s for this conference are the following:=0A=0A1) To support the study of= the Feminist Avant-Garde=0A=0A2) To encourage collaboration between rad= ical feminist artists/thinkers/activists.=0A=0A3) To provide a space to = think about relevant activism in these times, in this place.=0A=0AWe at Bel= ladonna* are particularly interested in what's immediate, present and happe= ning now. We would like this call to encourage conversations and new design= s for work between genres, into activist communities, and among academic an= d non-academic discourse. We are looking for evolving modes of knowing and = acting and resisting.=0A=0ACont'd here: =0Ahttp://www.avantgardenet.eu/200= 8/12/advancing_feminist_poetics_and.html=0A=0AI have a feeling we'll see mo= re men participating in such querying and promotion than ever before. That= 's my hope, anyway. =0A=0AAmy=0A=0A=0A--- On Fri, 5/22/09, Ann Bogle wrote:=0A=0A> From: Ann Bogle =0A> Subject:= Feminist poetics=0A>=0A> New feminism -- stirrings of which are wafting li= ke violets=0A> in our hair --=A0 =0A> is new femininity.=A0 You don't get t= o punch the sky in=0A> new femininity, but=A0 =0A> you do get to knit.=A0 K= nitting is big, so is=0A> embroidery, needlework of all=A0 =0A> kinds.=A0 B= ored by textual feminism, it over, the women=0A> started on=A0 needle =0A> = crafts and waited, first for Obama, when it was Bush, now=0A> for=A0 Michel= le Obama's =0A> next gorgeous cover.=A0 My mother (who had wanted a=0A> car= eer=A0 in public office) =0A> once knitted a tailored three-color v-neck-tu= rtleneck for=0A> my=A0 Barbie.=A0 My =0A> sister, who is a textual designer= , and I still can't=0A> believe=A0 she knit it.=0A> =0A> AMB=0A=0A=0A = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:52:40 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: <53631.10097.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi - I'm probably more at fault than most, although I'm kept in check re: continuous posting. I do want to note that a list like Cybermind keeps on going without flaming at all, the discussion good at times, but then it's only about 180 members who have known each other, for the most part, for years. I don't remember flames on Poetics, but that's my own lack of memory; I do remember open policies, and would like to see what would happen if modera- tion was ceased for, say, a set times - perhaps ten days? I promise I won't inundate. I'd like to see what other people are writing, for one thing, and figure that praxis involves the work itself just as much as discussion or critique - for one thing, a lot of us can't afford to buy poetry books/mags/etc. and this is a potentially amazing way to read. Yes, of course, blogs are somewhat of a replacement - but they're also dominated by their creator - I always have the feeling I'm reading under the aegis, charity, and connoisseurship of someone else. - Alan | Alan Sondheim Mail archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ | To access the Odyssey exhibition The Accidental Artist: | http://slurl.com/secondlife/Odyssey/48/12/22 | Webpage (directory) at http://www.alansondheim.org | sondheim@panix.com, sondheim@gmail.org, tel US 718-813-3285 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:39:39 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lori Emerson Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70905230420oe78df3ch66b15331b8c9f927@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all - well, er, just to second Anny's note: as an ex-moderator of the list, I think it pretty much goes without saying that the list has a loooon= g history of being a venue of anything BUT "heated debate". In fact, I wasn't even going to bother posting this note because I didn't want to deal with the responses that would ensue. But, for the sake of historical accuracy, a= t least from my eyes, the days of the unmoderated list were dominated by dominators and one moderator after another had to continually deal not just with the flaming of friends and colleagues, but threatening personal emails= . Why should that be an accepted part of the job?! That all said, if anyone at all would be willing to step out from the shadows of the list and considering any of Amy's suggestions that sure woul= d be wonderful. We've all thought about how great it would be if we could focus the list, somehow take advantage of the list's sprawling 2000 membership via a particular leader for a limited period of time, on a particular issue; and we imagined that leader soliciting considered responses from certain people etc. Many a year ago Chris Alexander did this on the list very successfully as I remember. But there are many other possibilities too I'm sure - Over and out, Lori On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Murat, Amy, > > I do not know what kind of answer Murat forwarded but if it is within the > limits Murat sets, it wasn't certainly the one that triggered Amy's > response. > I do not agree with Murat that Amy wanted the list to die down, and I am > with Amy in being able to speak rather than insult. I have had my part of > insults from one list and that is why I rarely contribute to some. > > About the link Amy forwarded, I remember thinking, "ah the Britons". I we= nt > to England for several stays, and I read many posts/books by Britons. Tha= t > is how I justify my comprehension of the undoubtedly true statistic. As I > know the people of the north and the people of the south, as Mme de Stael > would put it more broadly. > > I cannot understand why such an article aroused any anti-feminist remarks= , > this really goes beyond my comprehension. > > With my best wishes, > > Anny > > > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat >wrote: > > > Amy, > > > > I am surprised that you are the one asking the question about the > moribund > > state of the Poetics List today since, if I remember correctly, you wer= e > > instrumental in its creation. Under the overly broad rubric of "flaming= ," > > including within it unsavory ideas, and also banning the posting of any > > individual works new rules drain the Poetics List of all its energy and > > turned it essential a trade list where people list their publications a= nd > > poetry readings. > > > > Polemics is the bread and butter of thought. Heated polemics is the bre= ad > > and butter of passionate, committed thought -a quality, as you have not= ed > > this list has been devoid of for quite a long time. Words don't break > > bones. > > I never quite understood what is to me the extreme squeamishness about > > flaming. That's me I suppose with all my male, aggressive hormones goin= g > > all > > the time. > > > > As for your comments about the recent London research results. I am one > of > > those responded to you, thinking I was posting to the list. For some > > reason, > > my response was back channeled to you. Anyone who has taught a class of > > high > > school or early college students know very well how students -male and > > female- approach poetry with anxiety, with a sense that poetry requires > > rules or attitudes they are not familiar with or are alien to them. Thi= s > > was > > a casual cultural comment -a bit of kvetching by a poet- which it seems= , > to > > my amazement, you fantasized into a sexual verbal attack. > > > > Ciao, > > > > Murat > > > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 3:24 PM, amy king wrote: > > > > > I wanted to call this post, "Feminism: Not Just for Women Anymore" b= ut > > > figured such a title might cause more than a few to 86 this straight = to > > the > > > trash bin. > > > > > > > > > After posting my miscellany note earlier today, one guy actually > followed > > > up and gave me even more grief for being annoyed that he assumed I wa= s > > > shocked by the Briton study ("fine fine geez). I answered the other > two > > > guys by posting my response frontchannel. Only one person started a > > > respectful conversation with me backchannel about the study. > > > > > > > > > So my question to the first chap who asked why would I post a study > that > > > includes info "we [Poetics list members] already know" (i.e. that > people > > are > > > afraid of poetry) was: If we were on a politics listserv and I post= ed > a > > > recent study that found many thought marriage equality was about civi= l > > > rights or was overdue, would he then also question why I was shocked? > > And > > > is it an accident that two other men asked me backchannel why I was > > > surprised by the study? > > > > > > > > > This type of exchange raises all sorts of questions for me about this > > list. > > > That study was posted on another listserv by a man (James). I don't > > think > > > he was queried about his motivation, nor was it assumed he was > > > shocked/surprised by the study. Correct me if I'm wrong, James. And > yes, > > I > > > think this is a gender issue. > > > > > > > > > I'm not alone as of late in wondering about the dynamics of listserve > > > etiquette, the different models of "feminine" and "masculine" exchang= e, > > and > > > just why this particular listserv, with nearly 2,000 members now, has > > grown > > > so utterly quiet in discussion. I know I'm opening a can of worms no= w > > with > > > this line of inquiry (pin the bulls eye on my forehead gently, please= ), > > but > > > while it seems the old model of open, unchecked exchange led to more > > > discussion in years past, a ton of flaming and ad hom attacks > inevitably > > and > > > typically spiraled into intimidation and attack mode, overwhelming an= d > > > silencing most of the female members as well as many men who simply > > didn't > > > have the time or interest to engage in such battles. > > > What was the past attraction? Does aggressive baiting stimulate? > False > > > accusations or intentional misreadings? I wonder if it's a coinciden= ce > > that > > > debate has significantly tapered now that those types of exchanges ar= e > > > prohibited. Even more telling, when I post a note of miscellany as a > > woman, > > > I am "checked" backchannel by several men who projected a response on= to > > me > > > that I simply did not have nor indicate anywhere in my posting, forci= ng > > me > > > into defense mode to waste more time that would be better served in > > > discussion/debate. These types of exchanges are old school and so ve= ry > > > tired. > > > > > > > > > The women of Delirous Hem [http://www.delirioushem.blogspot.com/] hav= e > > > recently been discussing the dynamics of such exchange as well as how > men > > > and women are actually advancing a feminist poetics. This line of > > inquiry > > > has even led a few to wonder aloud (via their blogs) just what a > feminist > > > poetics is and how to promote it. Even a few men aren't afraid of th= e > > > notion that we need new models of exchange, which is a poetics too. > > > Feminist modes of thinking and operating may not, after all, be for > > women > > > only. I don't have the answers, but feminist imaginings may actually > > > provide models by which we can jump start a listserv that seems to ha= ve > > > grown quiet in exchange, even by initially asking, Just what can > feminist > > > thinking make us aware of and what models for discussion might we use= ? > > What > > > is a feminist poetics, exactly? What are the aims of feminist-minded > > poets? > > > ... Some excerpts from the Delirous Hem responses: > > > > > > > > > "while ideas live differently in different cultures, equality is not > > > necessarily a cultural idea/value; its thorough application would > involve > > a > > > change in culture, and as an idea, it might arise or live differently > in > > > different cultures, sure" > > > -- Catherine Daly ( > > > > > > http://cadaly.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-does-feminist-poet-look-like-or.h= tml > > > ) > > > > > > ~~~ > > > > > > Gina Myers, a teacher, a poet, and an all around amazing human being, > has > > a > > > piece up over at Delirious Hem, a blog for women poets. Myers' piece, > > > entitled "This is what a [post] feminist [poet] looks like," explores > her > > > relationship with feminism in a so-called "post feminist" society. ..= . > > > > > > > > > Myers' poetry is an inspiration to all who read it, and in he piece, > she > > > reflects on her work co-directing the Vagina Monologues at a small to= wn > > > community college in the middle of a corn field and overflowing with > > sexist, > > > homophobic ideologies that only a select few seem to want to fight > > against. > > > > > > > > > I did not see one cause as being more important than others, nor did = I > > > necessarily see them as being separate causes. The larger issue is > social > > > justice, and I have continued to live my life committed to this one > > cause. > > > > > > --Feministing [cont'd > > > > > > http://community.feministing.com/2009/05/this-is-what-a-post-feminist-p.h= tml > > > ] > > > > > > ~~~ > > > > > > A lot of the poems in Becoming the Villainess were written after thes= e > > > experiences left me frustrated - "Okay, Ophelia" is one of them. I > > started > > > noticing that the culture does a great job of portraying women as eye > > candy, > > > as victims and villainesses, but not a great job of portraying them a= s > > > anything else. I started thinking about the mythology and fairy tale > > stories > > > I grew up with, and how women today could or couldn't model themselve= s > > after > > > those characters. > > > > > > > > > ...The poems grew out of my increasing awareness of how women are > treated > > > now, in myth, and in our culture. I grew up around guys - I have thr= ee > > > brothers, I dated a lot of great guys and had mostly guy friends - an= d > > I'm > > > happy to say I have a terrific, supportive, dare-I-say feminist > husband. > > But > > > I look around me and wish for more positive role models, for some > support > > > for women who need to be protected, for a place where girls don't hav= e > to > > > worry about what they wear for fear they will be attacked. > > > > > > --Jeannine Hall Gailley [con't -- > > > > > > http://www.webbish6.com/2009/05/so-after-reading-about-feminism-here.html= ] > > > > > > ~~~ > > > > > > I know there are more forums planned (I plan to co-organize one, too)= , > > but > > > I hope this topic gets a second run, because I imagine there are plen= ty > > of > > > women [poets] who thought they weren't feminist poets until they read > > this > > > -- just as there were contributors who thought they weren't feminist > > poets > > > until they entered grad school, until they were employed by a > > bureaucracy, > > > until they sat down to write their pieces. > > > > > > > > > A note on blog comment boxes: It's a thrill to see these filled with > > > women's opinions. I can feel, but can't yet quite articulate, how the > > > rhetoric shifts when women enter into comment-box conversations. It > seems > > to > > > me that comment boxes are sometimes like city streets at night: women > > know > > > they shouldn't go alone, know they risk danger -- leering eyes, men w= ho > > do > > > not know how to listen in earnest but would rather hear themselves > talk. > > > > > > --Becca Klaver [con't -- > > > > > > http://beccaklaver.blogspot.com/2009/05/on-delirious-hem-this-is-what-fem= inist.html > > > ] > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > So what to add? How about a confession I'm not supposed to make. When= I > > was > > > pregnant, I desperately wanted a boy and when I found out I was havin= g > a > > > boy, I cried with joy... > > > > > > > > > But I did have a preference. There are some personal, complicated > > reasons, > > > but also there is a philosophical one. I want to try to contribute to > > > society a man who is thoughtful, introspective and considerate. > Somebody > > who > > > doesn't view himself as the center, the norm, the standard. A man who > can > > > both respect and not take advantage of the women of his generation. A= s > > > feminists and mothers in general, I believe we spend a lot of time > making > > up > > > for what current society lacks and preparing our daughters to handle > > that. I > > > think this is incredibly important and must continue. But I think som= e > of > > us > > > overlook how we need to prepare our sons. It's easy to do, society > offers > > so > > > many more advantages to our sons. But society fails them on many othe= r > > > levels. > > > > > > > > > ...For instance, many of the poet-dads brag about "changing a lot of > > > diapers" or staying home a day or two a week to watch their children. > > Yes, > > > that's great. Yes, it undoubtedly is helpful to the mother. Yes, that= 's > > > likely a big step forward from what their fathers did. But these guys > see > > > themselves as heros almost, like what their doing is above and beyond > the > > > expectation. It doesn't occur to them that 30% of diaper changing and > 20% > > of > > > childcare is closer to being described as supplemental. > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't even mind this imbalance if there was at least an better > > > awareness of it. A poet-dad admitting that his wife does the bulk of > the > > > child rearing which allows him to write more and travel, well that's = a > > > totally different situation. That's awareness and honesty. He's not > > > inflating himself or diminishing her. > > > > > > > > > Can you imagine a poet-mom bragging that she changes a lot of diapers= ? > > Your > > > response would be, um, yeah, that's part of raising a baby. If I > bragged > > > about staying home to watch my child, you'd stare and scratch your > head. > > > Yes, you're a mother, you don't leave your young child alone to fend > for > > > himself. How many times have I heard a poet-dad say he's "babysitting= " > > his > > > own children? How can one babysit his own child? Aren't poets > supposedly > > be > > > conscious of their word choices? How many poet-dads of young children > go > > > away to writing colonies for a month at a time without a second > thought? > > > It's kind of amazing. I go away for three nights and am constantly > > reminded, > > > often by complete strangers, how lucky (and of course, selfish I am) = to > > > leave my son with his own father. > > > > > > --Reb Livingston [con't -- > > > http://reblivingston.blogspot.com/2009/05/let-me-build-you-statue.htm= l > ] > > > > > > ~~~ > > > > > > So it isn=92t like that when I say I was a feminist for two seconds. = I > > didn=92t > > > get it, and I still want to be one. I wish I was a feminist more than > > > anything. I did a semester in grad school for theology because I thin= k > > > feminist theology is maybe second only to queer theology in terms of, > you > > > know, solving all of life=92s problems. My tongue is set firmly on th= e > > bottom > > > of my mouth here. > > > > > > > > > ...But I think I was discouraged from all of this by the cool recepti= on > I > > > got from women, and also by the sheer difficulty of trying to > comprehend > > > feminist intellectuals who make it a point to work outside of the > > > patriarchal system that I am fully steeped in. > > > > > > > > > ....At any rate, I kind of don=92t pay a lot of attention to feminist > > > currents anymore. > > > > > > > > > But there is a really awesome new bloggish called Delirious Hem, choc= k > > full > > > of poets (women poets) describing their relationship to feminism. It= =92s > > > personal stuff, smart stuff, really clever at times and really aware = of > > the > > > problems of communicating this way, and the problems of not. > > > > > > > > > --Adam Robinson [con't -- http://htmlgiant.com/?p=3D8885] > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > Practice, on the other hand, can move only in relation to the world= =92s > > pace. > > > While some things about the social condition of women (which?) have > > changed > > > since earlier generations of feminist discourse, other things have > > changed > > > more slowly if it all (which?). > > > > > > > > > ...The arriving at (feminist) consciousness narrative. A fact of bein= g > > > human: nobody=92s born knowing anything. So learning to be a feminist > > requires > > > those moments of experience and recognition when one discovers why it > > > matters, and every writer who becomes invested in feminism has to hav= e > > such > > > moments. > > > > > > > > > And yet, of course, the fact that everyone has to have them means tha= t > > > there=92s now quite a history of narratives regarding the arrival at > > feminist > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > > ....The role of articulating a poetics as such. Feminism is of course > > > fundamentally a cultural practice. It=92s possible to be a feminist > without > > > being a poet or an artist at all, obviously. So is there a specific > > relation > > > between feminism and the actual practice of writing lines of poetry (= or > > > other kinds of writing) in this or that way? If feminism can be not > > simply a > > > cultural theory but also a poetics, how does that poetics look as an > > actual > > > practice of how to write? And how are the questions of how to write a= nd > > what > > > to write about connected? > > > > > > > > > ...Does a list like this really have much value? Who knows. > Nonetheless, > > it > > > has been fascinating for me to think again about how alive and well > > feminist > > > poetry still is as it brings new concerns into relationship with many > of > > its > > > ongoing ones. > > > > > > > > > --Mark Wallace [con't -- > > > > > > http://wallacethinksagain.blogspot.com/2009/05/post-millenial-feminist-po= etry.html > > > ] > > > > > > ~~~ > > > > > > And much, much more to start thinking about over at Delirious Hem -- > > > http://www.delirioushem.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > Thanks for listening, > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > > > > _______ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amy's Alias > > > > > > http://amyking.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:19:22 -0400 Reply-To: halvard@gmail.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aka The Gatekeeper. Hal "My experience is what I agree to attend to." --William James Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Alan Sondheim wrote: Yes, of course, blogs are somewhat of a replacement - but they're also > dominated by their creator - I always have the feeling I'm reading under the > aegis, charity, and connoisseurship of someone else. > > - Alan > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:16:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Alexander Subject: chax press and the present Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi all, As many of you know through individual letters and emails, Chax is in a big push to bring in needed funds, not only to make it "through" this current sometimes troubling period, but beyond, with ambitious plans to do more than we've ever done before, and to do it better. I don't want to make the pitch right here on poetics, but I hope you will all visit an event site created for this purpose on facebook, at http://www.facebook.com/reqs.php#/event.php?eid=99709892577&ref=ts or read the message on my blog, at http://chax.org/blog.htm and consider what is there (follow links if needed to get to the heart of the message). And if none of that, go to our main site at http://chax.org and buy 1 book (or 2 or more). Thank you! Charles charles alexander chax press chax@theriver.com 411 N 7th ave, suite 103 tucson arizona 85705 520 620 1626 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:18:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy, Does it occur to you that phrases such as "right in line," "aggressive," "intimidating" might be experienced by the person on the receiving side as name calling or flaming? My phrase "I am surprised that you are surprised" on the subject of the lack of interest in poetry among the general population was obviously experienced by you as some kind of aggressive, dominating, male (as though women are not permitted or do not use such an phrase) act. I do not mean that you should not have brought this discussion to the list (I am glad that you did) or should have leveled the tone of your language. I only mean that flaming or agressive "male" behavior is often in the eye of the beholder, whether one agrees with the expressed point of view or not. Because of that, I think, we should be more accomodating of tonalities and uses of language. Such tolerance will not kill us. Anyhow, you never struck be as someone shrinking back in front of somebody else's words. As for your other comments, I think what was special about the Buffalo List was the broadness of the issues it covered. As a result, people's minds moved freely, though I agree with you sometimes it resulted in insane behavior; but even those often often had the kernel of a significant contention behind it. Now both are gone. Do you think this is a better result? I have never been an enthusiast of blogs and expressed it under different occasions. It splinters the poetic community, making one search for who or what is like one, narrowing the horizons of discourse. The great promise of the web has been its potential openness to "the other." A vibrant list is an expression of that ideal which, I am afraid, gave up too easily, without a fight so to speak. Ciao, Murat On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Alan Sondheim wrote: > Hi - I'm probably more at fault than most, although I'm kept in check re: > continuous posting. I do want to note that a list like Cybermind keeps on > going without flaming at all, the discussion good at times, but then it's > only about 180 members who have known each other, for the most part, for > years. > > I don't remember flames on Poetics, but that's my own lack of memory; I do > remember open policies, and would like to see what would happen if modera- > tion was ceased for, say, a set times - perhaps ten days? I promise I won't > inundate. I'd like to see what other people are writing, for one thing, and > figure that praxis involves the work itself just as much as discussion or > critique - for one thing, a lot of us can't afford to buy poetry > books/mags/etc. and this is a potentially amazing way to read. > > Yes, of course, blogs are somewhat of a replacement - but they're also > dominated by their creator - I always have the feeling I'm reading under the > aegis, charity, and connoisseurship of someone else. > > - Alan > > > > | Alan Sondheim Mail archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > | To access the Odyssey exhibition The Accidental Artist: > | http://slurl.com/secondlife/Odyssey/48/12/22 > | Webpage (directory) at http://www.alansondheim.org > | sondheim@panix.com, sondheim@gmail.org, tel US 718-813-3285 > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:50:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it might be neat if there were some sort of sampler, i.e., rather than a bunch of posts about "what I put on my blog this week" -- I don't watch or feed many -- there were a synopsis with links: should be fairly easy for someone with a good list of POETICS bloggers to rip off because of the posting limit, a lot of discussions get taken off list to blogs, and some posts here have been "hey look at this discussion on my blog" the nature of the list has changed a bit, too, and necessarily, because the internet and small press publishing has changed one of the things I've been thinking idly about is something that was picked up on the Black Ocean blog, which was about the distrust many established poets, particularly those a generation before me, have for younger poets who are publishing quite a bit and in general very active, and setting up coherent coteries, rather than the typical "a book every seven years from Knopf" - because one such older poet is apparently Tony Hoagland, a lot of this is anxiety over quantity and quality, couched in a disdain for "easy domestic surrealism" and procedural poems and projects - there seems to be a failure to realize that publication has gotten easier, and it is easier/less expensive/time consuming to found a press - there seems to be a failure to accept that most aspects of writing well CAN and ARE being taught - ditto for "po biz", seeing works to publication, etc. I would be very interested in what people think about this; are we all getting more prolific? Editing less? Is this good? in the flame days, the list was a time suck for me because posting something that wouldn't get ripped to shreds took forever; NOW it is because if you're in a discussion you've got to post something long and detailed (unless you're George Bowering), anticipating rebuttals, knowing you only have one -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 14:11:08 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ryan Daley Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's interesting about many young poets (and I don't know if this represents a sea change or is only because they're young) is that they seem to avoid the flaming and jockeying that so characterizes most "communities." Say what you will about Tao Lin, but the guy never talks shit about anything other than his own writing. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Catherine Daly wrote: > it might be neat if there were some sort of sampler, i.e., rather than a > bunch of posts about "what I put on my blog this week" -- I don't watch or > feed many -- there were a synopsis with links: should be fairly easy for > someone with a good list of POETICS bloggers to rip off > because of the posting limit, a lot of discussions get taken off list to > blogs, and some posts here have been "hey look at this discussion on my > blog" > > the nature of the list has changed a bit, too, and necessarily, because the > internet and small press publishing has changed > > one of the things I've been thinking idly about is something that was > picked > up on the Black Ocean blog, which was about the distrust many established > poets, particularly those a generation before me, have for younger poets > who > are publishing quite a bit and in general very active, and setting up > coherent coteries, rather than the typical "a book every seven years from > Knopf" > > - because one such older poet is apparently Tony Hoagland, a lot of this is > anxiety over quantity and quality, couched in a disdain for "easy domestic > surrealism" and procedural poems and projects > > - there seems to be a failure to realize that publication has gotten > easier, > and it is easier/less expensive/time consuming to found a press > > - there seems to be a failure to accept that most aspects of writing well > CAN and ARE being taught > > - ditto for "po biz", seeing works to publication, etc. > > I would be very interested in what people think about this; are we all > getting more prolific? Editing less? Is this good? > > in the flame days, the list was a time suck for me because posting > something > that wouldn't get ripped to shreds took forever; NOW it is because if > you're > in a discussion you've got to post something long and detailed (unless > you're George Bowering), anticipating rebuttals, knowing you only have one > > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly@gmail.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 00:12:39 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jesse Glass Subject: Would like to meet Prague Poets June 17th, 18th--Jesse Glass MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I'll be promoting Ahadada/ Ekleksographa in Prague on the 17th and 18th of June and would be happy to meet up with poets, playwrights, fictioneers. Please contact me back channel. Thanks, Jesse wwww.ahadadabooks.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 22:35:26 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: <9778b8630905231111s4dc13fc0lfbfe27ce94f0b329@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i think lists have had their day as high quality discussion forums. some options have emerged since then, such as blogs and social networks. well lists are social networks, aren't they. but they weren't called that when they were in their prime. now the term 'social networks' encompasses lists, things like facebook, myspace, rss of blogs, and so on. there's more options and more theory of social networks. unfortunately, for all that, i haven't seen anything that rivals the early days of the list in terms of strong discussion. i think it would take quite a strong platform/app to do that. something that was strong enough to merit the trust that the list no longer enjoys. if that's possible. ja http://vispo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 07:08:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Eric Weinstein Subject: Re: book ideas? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also seconding Mark Weiss' suggestion. Poems for the Millennium Vol. 2 is excellent; Donald Allen's The New American Poetry, 1945 - 1960 might make a good companion text. E On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Gerald Schwartz wrote: > Under the Rock Umbrella > Contemporary Poets 1951-77 > Edited by William Walsh > Mercer University Press (2006) > > --Gerald Schwartz > > > Hello, >> >> I'm teaching a senior undergraduate course entitled "Poetry since 1950" in >> the fall, and I'm making up my own anthology as a course package so as to >> include a fair amount of experimental material. However, I need some ideas >> for a short critical overview of contemporary poetry that takes a world or >> at least trans-Atlantic perspective and addresses historical contexts, >> movements, issues in poetics, etc. Is there such a book available? >> >> Thanks for ideas. >> >> Hilary Clark >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Eric Weinstein 1319 Washington St., Apt. 1L Hoboken, NJ 07030-6759 (603) 566-6393 eric.q.weinstein@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 19:24:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lissa Wolsak Subject: Re: "The Gateless Gate." New pages and a Revision In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are most welcome! xxl On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Joel Weishaus wrote: > Dear Friends and Colleagues: > > Here are four new pages of "The Gateless Gate": > > Pages 15-16: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Gate/Pgs%2015-16.htm > Pages 17-18: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Gate/Pgs%2017-18.htm > > In addition: > > The Introduction has been revised: > http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Gate/Intro.htm > > > Thank you to those of you who have written to me on this project. > If you don't want to receive these notices, please let me know, and I will > delete your name from the list. > > -Joel > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:08:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rebecca Weaver Subject: call for work--Midway In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello everyone, this is a reminder that we at Midway will soon close our reading period, so please send work now! As always, we're looking for poetry, mixed-genre work, and other text (please see www.midwayjournal.com for details). thanks, and happy summer! ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 12:16:22 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: book ideas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "issues in poetics"-- Politics & Poetic Value, edited by Robert von Hallberg --- On Sun, 5/24/09, Eric Weinstein wrote: > From: Eric Weinstein > Subject: Re: book ideas? > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 7:08 AM > Also seconding Mark Weiss' > suggestion. Poems for the Millennium Vol. 2 is > excellent; Donald Allen's The New American Poetry, 1945 - > 1960 might make a > good companion text. >=20 > E >=20 > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Gerald Schwartz = wrote: >=20 > > Under the Rock Umbrella > > Contemporary Poets 1951-77 > > Edited by William Walsh > > Mercer University Press (2006) > > > > --Gerald Schwartz > > > > > >=A0 Hello, > >> > >> I'm teaching a senior undergraduate course > entitled "Poetry since 1950" in > >> the fall, and I'm making up my own anthology as a > course package so as to > >> include a fair amount of experimental material. > However, I need some ideas > >> for a short critical overview of contemporary > poetry that takes a world or > >> at least trans-Atlantic perspective and addresses > historical contexts, > >> movements, issues in poetics, etc. Is there such a > book available? > >> > >> Thanks for ideas. > >> > >> Hilary Clark > >> > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not > accept all posts. Check > >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.ht= ml > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept > all posts. Check guidelines > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Eric Weinstein > 1319 Washington St., Apt. 1L > Hoboken, NJ 07030-6759 > (603) 566-6393 > eric.q.weinstein@gmail.com >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/= welcome.html > =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:42:19 -0500 Reply-To: dgodston@gmail.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Godston Organization: Borderbend Arts Collective Subject: The Synesthetic Plan of Chicago MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2009 is the centenary of the publication of The Plan of Chicago. The Synesthetic Plan of Chicago is an art installation project which corresponds with the celebration of this historic event. SPC's participating artists and organizations have designed installation pieces which bring together sounds, sights, tastes, smells, and tactile things that relate to Chicago's neighborhoods; create an interactive environment so participants can interact with the sensory "artifacts" of Chicago in creative and imaginative ways; and encourage people to think about synesthetic connections with things that relate to Chicago. The Synesthetic Plan of Chicago is commissioned by the City of Chicago. SPC, which is co-curated by Annie Heckman and Daniel Godston, includes the following projects: "Neighborhood Synesthesia," by Anti Gravity Surprise blank maps for "Notes for a People's Atlas of Chicago," by AREA Chicago "House Music," by Brett Ian Balogh "Bottletracks," by Sarah and Kelly Connolly "Within the Scope of Wiki," by Alpha Bruton "Urban Messengers," by Stephanie Burke "Every Four Blocks," by Kelly Connolly "A Cross-sensory Questionnaire About Chicago," by Eric Elshtain "Putting Layers on the Onion," by Daniel Godston "Memorializing Chicago's Disasters," by Elise Goldstein "A Book of Chicago Bookstores," by Laura Goldstein "Haunted Spaces," by Annie Heckman "Chocolate Stockyard," by Jeriah Hildwine "NetWorking," by Jeriah Hildwine "Bubbly Creek," by James Jankowiak "A Slice of Shoreline," by Deanna Krueger "Daisy Chain," by Maggie Leininger "Sensory City," by Clover Morell "Extraction: Intelligentsia," by Ira S. Murfin "Synestheticizing the Outsidereal," by the Next Objectivists "C(l/r)aving," by Carol Ng-He "Mapping My Hood," by Lindsay Obermeyer "Textaport Vending Machine," by PiSplice "Read Up and Down and You Will See Why I Love You and You Love Me," by Felicia Preston "A Walking Dream of the World's Columbian Exposition," by Kelley Schei "Phone Sound Collage," by Mark Smithivas "Musical Chairs," by the Stockyard Institute with Faiz Razi, Beth Wiedner, & Zeb "Acoustic Mirror of Chicago," by World Listening Project SPC is being installed in the Visitors Center at the Chicago Cultural Center, with June 1st being its starting date. Parts of SPC will travel to locations throughout Chicago, and it will be part of the Fourth Annual Chicago Calling Arts Festival. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:50:05 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: <30C7E7FECF2C432D84F9652D4C88CD6F@OwnerPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, That is exactly my point. Was the sacrifice worth it or was the cure many times worse than the disease? Of course, that maybe just a man speaking. Ciao, Murat On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Jim Andrews wrote: > i think lists have had their day as high quality discussion forums. some > options have emerged since then, such as blogs and social networks. well > lists are social networks, aren't they. but they weren't called that when > they were in their prime. now the term 'social networks' encompasses lists, > things like facebook, myspace, rss of blogs, and so on. there's more options > and more theory of social networks. unfortunately, for all that, i haven't > seen anything that rivals the early days of the list in terms of strong > discussion. i think it would take quite a strong platform/app to do that. > something that was strong enough to merit the trust that the list no longer > enjoys. if that's possible. > > ja > http://vispo.com > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:34:47 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: <30C7E7FECF2C432D84F9652D4C88CD6F@OwnerPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The phrase which initiated this discussion was "fear of poetry," which has been so little discussed since, that one wonders if this is not a "given," rather than perhaps having a good deal of potential for investigation and questioning-- sometimes the very "unquestioning" acceptance of phrases may provoke in itself a questioning-- in this age of continual Fear mongering and inciting, imposing--it is not possible that what one is being presented with in this poll is the other wa= y round? that is: that it is POETRY which is IN fear-- and also that it is quite possible there may exist a Poetry of Fear and, in turn a Poetry FOR Fear-- the "fear of poetry" then may not be an indication of a "given" but the symptom of FEAR which is continually made more frightening by the controlling forces within that society-- (see also as relative to the below: David-Baptiste Chirot: "Waterboarding & Poetry" Wordforword #13 Spring 2008 (also has Visual Poetry by chirot) Kaurab Translation Site Poems from Guant=E1namo The Detainees Speak David Baptite Chirot "Fear of poetry"-- i ran out of time before having a chance to briefly b/c Amy re this poll--and these questions- will essay to do so here-- the first thought that occurred to me regarding fear, as this poll is in th= e UK-- is how incredibly saturated by surveillance the British people are', the most so in the world, and that they experienced bombings in their midst mor= e recently and quite differently from the 9//11 in the usa-- and that some of the bombers are persons living with in the UK, not as "illegal aliens always, but often as second and third generation immigrants who are British citizens themselves-- Americans are or should be familiar with this kind of bomber--Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, the little recalled fact that in the US in1970 there were 5,000 incidents of bombing, and historically there was the heyday of bombings first by primarily Galleanisti--the first car Bomb is attributed t= o Mario Buda aka Mike Boda--who on 16 September blasted Wall Street t the tun= e of 37 dead and hundreds of injured--while in 1917 in Milwaukee he is though= t to be behind the bombing which unintentionally became the killer of 7 policemen and a number of civilians (the bomb was found outside a Church, and carried by the police to the station, where it then suddenly exploded) soon to follow were the use of explosives i Chicago and environs caused by rivals gangs vying for control of the bootlegging racket--today replaced y the primarily Crack racket--asChigao being one of the central points" from which the drug is distributed-- However, these parts and aspects of history are for the most part suppresse= d and or/omitted --as the role fn the US Government in the incendiary exterminating conflagration of Waco generally is-- (at Waco n the weeks preceding the fire-- and during the stand off in Panam= a preceding the arrest an extraditing of Noriega, many of the torture techniques using light and sound were "tried out" and later adapted for use through out the US secret prisons and those "open" ones such Guantanamo, Abu-Ghraib and Bagram and also in Gaza and many others-- In the UK the fear of bombings on British soil and done by Britons and "foreigners" alike is a very vivid one and real one, and not as expunged as in the US, where anything pre9/11 except the World Trade Center bombing is ignored--to emphasize s much as possible the focus on these events for reasons of "security" used to steadily eat away at Civil and Human Rights within and outside the US that are carried out by the US-- (in 1979 when the one cab we rode in in London began to take a suspiciously round about way--the driver said it was due to the call in of a bomb--one could see various streets on that night cordoned off--and unruffled Bobbies talking with passersby--) the history of bombings in England is very long--Guy Fawkes Day for example point to one form of it--and novels like Henry James' The Princess Cassamassima and Joseph Conrad's The Secret Agent emerged from the massive bombing campaign in London esp. but in many areas of England in the 1880's and later on--a literary /bombing "connection/tradition" "carried on" literally by Brendan Behan, arrested and shipped to Borstal for attempting to enter the UK with an "Infernal Machine" as a teenager-- with the 24/7 surveillance and it seems every few months another series of Draconian Laws being imposed in the UK on al citizens, is it any wonder tha= t anyone might not have fear not of poetry but simply of being asked what may be a "trick question" --seemingly about something as innocuous as poetry, while actually to-do with something far more insidious-- after all, a person polled might say that she or he loved the poetry of Rumi and had been known on many n occasion to fairly explode from the spontaneous combustion of this poetry which began to suddenly flow ecstatically forth from one's mouth while reading or reciting its line; th= e poetry uplifting being itself, so that that the Deleuzian =93flight=94 of = being is rising to new heights, like a Dove of Freedom flying above the Walls of Guantanamo, Bagram, Gaza, Baghdad---- You see? Red alert!! Red Alert!! and the lover of the works of Rumihis hauled off and after preliminary questioning renditioned to the US for assignment to one or another of the secret prisons polluting this earth at a rate faster than the vanishing that of potable water for these last many years-- (the exaggerations of mine are to remind the reader that these are possibilities, not, one hopes, facts; and so should be treated as, that is to say they are the imaginings which the facts may produce--not only as fiction--but also as a cause for alarm on the part of the individual, the person polled, because in the climate of today in the UK and US--and Canada--to like and recite Rumi may be a method for transmitting "terrorist= " messages and "for security reasons" necessitate a "better Safe than sorry" policy of immediate "detention." A factual example prompting the imaginary as yet one is that the Poems from Guantanamo to this day are feared by some in the Military establishment to have contained hidden messages, despite al efforts to the contrary in controlling their translations and which were chosen.For almost everything noted here, there is actual factual proof; the times i include fiction is to indicate that an essay on poetry in a poetic mode may be created using both fact andimagaination--NOT separating Dr Williams ""only the imagaination is real" in Spring and All from "no ideas but in things, Mr" written roughly 20 years later and appearing in Paterson.) "Fear of poetry" is not because of "poetry" perhaps n the cases of those polled, but the fear of being asked MORE questions, interrogated--frightene= d of what one might say in the "being forced to speak" of torture-- "Fear of poetry " then is this fear not od Poetry, but of the persons who, and the ways in which, Poetry may be manipulated with "Other Ends in Mind.= " One's own poetry for example might be used against one, as an example of no= t producing the "correct" form of poetry or Poetics, which in turn leads to the questioning of the correctness of one's thoughts, commitments, beliefs, until such a point is reached that indeed even the person polled begins to know that they are guilty of "poem crimes" and "thought crimes," making their treatment at "Correctional Facilities" being completely necessary to save both themselves and the Security of Society, AKA the Society of Security, from the Evil that they bear and which is trying to destroy the Homeland, the Poetry of the State and State Institutions and so forth--. It may not be Poetry at all which is "feared," in this poll, but perhaps very much the Fear of Not Conforming, of Not Saying the Right Thing, the Fear of being different, an outsider, and so one is unsafe AS oneself, unsafe even TO oneself-- in many other cultures around the world, this does not exist, this "fear of poetry"-- instead, often, poetry may be striking fear into the government, into traditional forms of conformity, or cause fear simply by being "outspoken" regarding things one is not supposed to say or think, or, knowing most people think these forbidden, "subversive" things, one is not allowed to express them, for the fear on the "leaders'" parts that once the door is opened a crack, the rush of those pouring forth with a long bottled up energy wil be enough to blast the leaders and government and al the institutions enforcing dutifully their edicts, from the military to the universities, as well as not a few complicit poets and artists--to blast these al away as they collapse under a "popular uprising " from "Below"-- To be sure, (as often is the case) poetry need not be even overtly protesting "things as they are" but doing so simply by remaining a living call through time of the yearnings of people for "something more than this"-- be it spiritual or erotic, complete liberty or the reiteration of the beaut= y of the world, of life, that is often lost sight of-- Lost sight of, really, in order to crush down any desire for anything "more"--to be cynically or intellectually etc opposed to the concept that persons may want much more than they are given--and that what persons may want is what you don't want them to have, in which case the "leaders" and their poets , KNOW, have DECIDED, what is "good for you"--and that is that-= - So, to ask for more is NOT ALLOWED--ie. no more imagination! no more questions! no more laughter! no more doubts! no more thinking that things shsented & represented to one as the way they are is a lie! yes, for the benefit of the big shts and their accompanying bards -- (for al Kings, Empresses, have had their Bards, and today it is even claime= d that a Bard is President--what a savings eh! two for the price of one!--what genious on the part of somebody or other--) in which case, to join with "Poetry in Fear, " there may welexist also THE POETRY OF FEAR" and its sidekick "THE POETRY FOR FEAR""-- Poetry in Fear are those polled who fear to give any asnawers regarding Poetry which are outside the realm of Conformity-- It is not Poerty that is feared, but what might be behind the asking of wha= t may be a "trick question, "leading to one's detnetion for non-confomrist thoughts and waysof life of being itself, one's being, being "out side the box" so much that the onlybox fit for one is the one they stick you in to b= e lowered into the ground--if you are lucky, eh-- The Potry of Fear is tha poetry which the President speaks when announcing notonly the continuance of a gret many of the worst and most Fearful programsof the previousadministration, but a Poetry of Fear which demands that the society join him in going evn further than any President has gone before. And where might this be, this new direction ever futher --itis into the realm of deatiningone indefintiely wihtout being charged, meaning no recourse to a defense orlawyersof any kind--and al becuase the president candecide anytime he or she feelslike to say that so and so is going to COMMIT A HEINOUS CRIMEIN THE FUTURE, and to prevent this,nneeds to be detained and renditioned immediately. Itisone thing to detain personfor crimes that HAVE BEEN COMMITTED--becuase then there is evivencde and both a prosecution and efense may present their arguments pro and con before a Judge. In other words, what American Law is supposed to be. However, no on one in history has ever demanded the Right TO DETAIN PERSONS FOR CRIMES THEY HAVE NOT YET COMMITTED.. one SEES NOW,QUITE CLEARLY , THAT CONFOMRITY IN THINKING AND ACTING IS GOIN= G TO BE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY,. TO AVOID ANY NON-FORMING ALERTING THOUGHT OR WORDS OR POETRY WHICH WILL LEAD ONE TO SWIFT DETENTION--T BE "DISAPPEARED" AND--ALSO--PERHAPS--"DELETED" FROM EXISTENCE To make matters worse, the President is also demanding that the Supreme Court overturn its ruling that a person arrested can not be questioned unti= l provided with a lawyer, either their own or one court appointed. Tihsm eans that the police, on their own, and in their own ways, may be questioning the person well before any defense or advice is provided, and thus given the FULL FEAR FACTOR that will elicit a confession in no time, and al the "valuable information" needed to avert yet more"CRIMES NOT YET COMMITTED. This is the Poetry of Fear--on its way to being "the Law of the Land,"as decided by a President whom many Poets have seen as indeed being "One of Them." "The Law of the Land"--the President is about to name a new Supreme Court justice-- Once upon a time this Poet president sat and talked with Edward Said. Dr Said knew a thing or two about bombings, arsons anonymous and publcithreatson hislife--after al his office at Coumbia was incierated--and he lived the rest of his life with an emergency button wired into his desk. Dr Said of course was a deluded being, way outside the box, yes?-- (The Poetics list even at one point was carrying truly vicious violent virulent and graphically obscene hate speech directed at the then just deceased scholar among a great many things including Poetry. There were members who protested at the time, also, this kinds of attacks being allowe= d to be on thelist, not just Re Edward Said,, but any and eveyone) That is why a very UnAmerican Law was instituted to protect Americans from such beings ever again having a chance to be so "influential: 'Another group, chaired by Lynne Cheney, wife of Vice president Richard Cheney, and Democratic Senator Joseph Lieberman , has decried liberal and leftist academics as the 'weak link' in the war on terror . These public relations campaigns are designed not simply to arouse public awareness, but also to influence government action. And they have. After taking hours of testimony from conservative intellectuals decrying the pernicious influence of the late Columbia University scholar Edward Said on Middle Eastern Studies, the House of Representatives UNANIMOUSLY (my emphasis) adopted in the Fall of 2003 a bill requiring academic programs receiving federal funding to tailor their their scholar ship and curriculum to 'better reflect the national needs related to homeland security.' Under that rubric= , according to a report in Salon, the government could use the carrot and stick of federl money to make sure that ' international studies departments . . . show more support for American foreign policy." (Corey Robin: Fear: The History of a Political Idea; Oxford UP, 2004; 188= ) Here, as with the Military and Governement "chain of command" for translators working in a rigrously legal, controlled and constrained manner and environment on the very few non censored "Poems from Guantanamo is what one may call the "Fear of Poetry, " Corey Robin in Fear : the History of a Political Idea just cited also notes another tactic directed against,a whole laundry list of threats internal and external published as full page NY Times ad taken out by AVOT (Americans for Victory Over Terrorism: amongt them Wiiliam J bennet, James Woolsey & Frank Gaffeny of the Regan, Bush and Clinton administrations), which calls for "ho.ding 'scholarly research' about Islam to "a serious and rigorous standard.'" (op cit; 188) Since a lotof the study of Islam involves the poetry of the Qu'aran both within and without its text in the poetries inspired by it, one may again note a "Fear of Poetry" ("a threat internal and external") on the part of the American authorities. On the one hand the "Fear of Poetry" and the "Poetry of and for Fear." and on the other, that evinced by the poll of British persons, as well as by the inaction's of, as has been the so often remakred on"internally and externally" the "fear within American poetry & arts" of being "out of line,= " not toeing the Company line, remaining complicityly silent re the actions internal and external of the current and previous Administrations, over a long period of time. The American persons then who may well have a Fear of Poetry, may be those poets who do not conform to the "rigourous standards" of Institutions from the Office of President on down to the barcnhes of learning as well as the monitoring of emails, telephone calls, letters received or books taken out of the library. That is the Fear within Poetry--to conform or else--be publicly and privately attacked. not only by the usual suspects from the Federales or State or University Administration and media Representatives, but from fellow poets also. Re "the end of lists" -- a double edged sword of social networks and their theories is the possibility of always being among those who agree with one--"like-minded individuals"--in which case their is no criticism, feedback, discussion, that may or not be of help to the individual presenter, yet may contribute some new information or suggest other possibilities to other members of the network and where "the skies are not cloudy all day" on the one hand, every poet, artist needs encouragement and support, attention and care; ontheother hand this may devolve into a nonstop parade of flatterers and sycophants-- one of the dangers of any list, blog, facebook, my space etc etc is that there is always a strong pressure to conform-- this pressure often need not be "voiced" or written, expressed in any overt way, yet exist as an undercurrent which flows among the members-- fear is the political arm used to enforce and control the directions of conformity-- ratchet up the fear and persons not previously fearful suddenly are-the fea= r no longer need come from without solely, it is also being generated within, through the adoption of rebranded language, which quietly omits any conflicts between directives and actualities-- in other words there is eventually a a good possibility for the parroting of propaganda only being allowed-- lists are not at all over, as Jim claims; it just dependents on what lists one is participating in--there are many that are very alive and well and also more inclusive than the old poetics list was--these lists and other social networks one may form without mingling always among the like minded, are international, and so not governed by the tendency to conformity which observers of the American scene since de Tocqueville have seen and remarked on-- the "fear of poetry" then may not be an indication of a "given" but the symptom of FEAR which is continually made more frightening by the controlling forces within that society-- On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Jim Andrews wrote: > i think lists have had their day as high quality discussion forums. some > options have emerged since then, such as blogs and social networks. well > lists are social networks, aren't they. but they weren't called that when > they were in their prime. now the term 'social networks' encompasses list= s, > things like facebook, myspace, rss of blogs, and so on. there's more opti= ons > and more theory of social networks. unfortunately, for all that, i haven'= t > seen anything that rivals the early days of the list in terms of strong > discussion. i think it would take quite a strong platform/app to do that. > something that was strong enough to merit the trust that the list no long= er > enjoys. if that's possible. > > ja > http://vispo.com > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:05:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: <53631.10097.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amy: One might suggest that in this otherwise quiet=20 time on the list your post could be the tinder that starts a flame war. The worst I've ever been treated on line has been=20 by some of the women on WOMPO, who seem to think=20 that the rules of civilized behavior don't apply=20 in relation to men. The vast majority of the=20 members are a lot more hospitable, but the verbal=20 violence of the few appears to drive them into=20 silence. So much for gender. Human unpleasantness is equal-opportunity. I'll be away from my computer til Sunday very late. Mark At 09:45 AM 5/23/2009, you wrote: >Yes, Murat -- it's all *my fault* because,=20 >according to you, people simply don't want to=20 >join discussions that don't include flaming,=20 >name-calling, and the posting of their=20 >poems. And no, I'm not "shocked" you reached=20 >this conclusion either (based on the historical=20 >nature of this list, you're right in line, hence=20 >the "bull's eye" notation) -- unfortunately, I=20 >think there is some truth to the idea that some=20 >are drawn to discussions for the mere drama of=20 >it all, and drama requires flaming, loud name=20 >calling, aggressive intimidating rhetoric,=20 >etc... Additionally, discussions are often about=20 >one upping the next guy: the old hierarchical=20 >positioning that certainly takes place in=20 >conversations can also be seen in many other=20 >realms, including the popular sports realm -- if=20 >I disrespect you, then I'm on top. How many "in=20 >your face" moves do we see after someone=20 >successfully dunks a ball or reaches the goal=20 >line? I think this list has proven time and=20 >time again that the inclination is to devolve=20 >into such positioning, most especially among a=20 >specific few who cause others to retreat into=20 >silence while said handful dominate with their=20 >preening and bashing, degenerating the list's=20 >tone with name calling, flaming, ad hom.=20 >etc. And if *that* is the requirement to keep=20 >discussions going, then it's a sad one that=20 >concludes the list is certainly best left for=20 >announcements only rather than getting mired=20 >into "listening" in on who comes out top dog via=20 >such unconstructive debate. I do, however,=20 >think that there are other factors to consider=20 >and am wondering aloud (again, be gentle when=20 >you take aim, please). Perhaps the list is=20 >simply too large and a sense of community is no=20 >longer fostered. Can we actually have=20 >international and national discussions? What=20 >forum permits that? The women's poetry=20 >listserv, while it has its moments, maintains a=20 >specific focus that most members remain set on:=20 >discussing women's poetry and promoting it. The=20 >Lucipo listerv is situated within a geographical=20 >community. New Poetry is smaller and has a=20 >stable base of participants who contribute=20 >regular poetry/poetics info and respectful=20 >debate focused on analyzing poems, among other=20 >interesting foci. Of course, all three of those=20 >lists are considerably smaller than Poetics and=20 >certainly don't have the historical base of=20 >attack and flaming that Poetics has cultivated=20 >for itself, which is exactly why I was asked to moderate: to put an end to= the > cultivation of that tone. One need only do a=20 > search for Buffalo Poetics list to learn of=20 > that history. But before all of that, Poetics=20 > did foster great discussions on poetry and=20 > poetics ... Also to consider, and I'm not the=20 > first to note this: many discussions now take=20 > place on blogs. The proliferation of blogs and=20 > their comment streams have opened up smaller,=20 > more focused discussions that you can join or=20 > ignore. On Poetics, every member receives=20 > every post. The same holds true for online=20 > forums. Each discussion is labeled, and while=20 > there may be nearly two thousand members, they=20 > only read what they want and join topics they=20 > deem worthwhile. They are not forced to read=20 > such discussions as earlier noted (hierarchical=20 > positioning via flaming). I got to thinking=20 > about all of this yesterday morning when=20 > someone asked my why the list has had a=20 > lull. And then I posted my miscellany and=20 > rec'd some presumptuous queries backchannel. I=20 > posted a note, below, that I thought might=20 > generate some discussion about what has=20 > happened to this list and fully expected to be=20 > blamed. Don't think, Murat, you're=20 > alone. I've rec'd a few backchannels in the=20 > past with the same sentiment - actually from=20 > two men specifically. They want free reign to=20 > terrorize as they see fit and they believe=20 > bullying me will somehow get that kind of=20 > "power" reinstated. It's too bad that such=20 > blindered thinking gets airplay and that these=20 > men have the stamina to keep working at=20 > it. Sadly many have sent me backchannel=20 > support and bow out. I've had many more emails=20 > of that variety. The idea is that these=20 > latter people want to see a better list, one=20 > that offers more respectful discussion among=20 > members, one in which they feel safe > from name calling if they join in debate,=20 > etc. Their numbers have been much greater than=20 > those who would bash me backchannel. But=20 > truly, no one wants to waste time defending=20 > themselves against willful misreadings and=20 > attacks on their character. Not even me. CALL=20 > FOR CONTRIBUTORS Beyond this particular=20 > discussion and overall, Poetics has been and=20 > remains a valuable resource. Our numerous=20 > members are hard-working poets, reviewers,=20 > educators, and culture makers. Perhaps it's=20 > time to figure out, communally, how we might=20 > revamp the list and generate material for=20 > discussions. Many on this list are active=20 > bloggers while others have lots to say about=20 > the topics debated on those blogs and=20 > elsewhere. We might take a cue from New=20 > Poetry and enlist contributors to post --on a=20 > schedule even-- about specific happenings, new=20 > and neglected books, schools of thought, and,=20 > taking a cue from Wompo, a once a week or once=20 > a month celebration of an admired poet (on=20 > Wompo, it's a "Foremother" celebration),=20 > etc. We could even have a guest editor for a=20 > week or month who could solicit posts and steer=20 > discussion... I'd be very happy to hear folks'=20 > suggestions, and if you'd like to be a=20 > contributor or nominate someone to guest edit,=20 > please contact me. This list offers an instant=20 > audience of nearly 2,000 active poets and poet=20 > appreciators with more joining everyday -- why=20 > not try to figure out new=20 > possibilities? Thanks, Amy _______ Amy's Alias=20 > http://amyking.org/ --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Murat=20 > Nemet-Nejat wrote: > From:=20 > Murat Nemet-Nejat >=20 > Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query > To:=20 > POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Friday,=20 > May 22, 2009, 6:36 PM > Amy, > > I am surprised=20 > that you are the one asking the question >=20 > about the moribund > state of the Poetics List=20 > today since, if I remember > correctly, you=20 > were > instrumental in its creation. Under the=20 > overly broad rubric > of "flaming," > including=20 > within it unsavory ideas, and also banning=20 > the > posting of any > individual works new=20 > rules drain the Poetics List of all > its=20 > energy and > turned it essential a trade list=20 > where people list their > publications and >=20 > poetry readings. > > Polemics is the bread and=20 > butter of thought. Heated > polemics is the=20 > bread > and butter of passionate, committed=20 > thought -a quality, as > you have noted > this=20 > list has been devoid of for quite a long time.=20 > Words > don't break bones. > I never quite=20 > understood what is to me the extreme >=20 > squeamishness about > flaming. That's me I=20 > suppose with all my male, aggressive > hormones=20 > going all > the time. > > As for your comments=20 > about the recent London research > results. I=20 > am one of > those responded to you, thinking I=20 > was posting to the list. > For some reason, >=20 > my response was back channeled to you. Anyone=20 > who has > taught a class of high > school or=20 > early college students know very well how >=20 > students -male and > female- approach poetry=20 > with anxiety, with a sense that > poetry=20 > requires > rules or attitudes they are not=20 > familiar with or are alien > to them. This=20 > was > a casual cultural comment -a bit of=20 > kvetching by a poet- > which it seems, to > my=20 > amazement, you fantasized into a sexual verbal=20 > attack. > > Ciao, > > Murat > > > On Fri, May=20 > 22, 2009 at 3:24 PM, amy king=20 > > wrote: > > > I wanted=20 > to call this post, "Feminism:=C2 Not Just > for=20 > Women Anymore" but > > figured such a title=20 > might cause more than a few to 86 > this=20 > straight to the > > trash bin. > > > > > >=20 > After posting my miscellany note earlier today,=20 > one > guy actually followed > > up and gave me=20 > even more grief for being annoyed that > he=20 > assumed I was > > shocked by the Briton study=20 > ("fine fine geez).=C2 I > answered the other=20 > two > > guys by posting my response=20 > frontchannel.=C2 Only > one person started a > >=20 > respectful conversation with me backchannel=20 > about the > study. > > > > > > So my question=20 > to the first chap who asked why would I > post=20 > a study that > > includes info "we [Poetics=20 > list members] already know" > (i.e. that people=20 > are > > afraid of poetry) was:=C2 =C2 =C2 If we were=20 > on > a politics listserv and I posted a > >=20 > recent study that found many thought marriage=20 > equality > was about civil > > rights or was=20 > overdue, would he then also question why > I=20 > was shocked?=C2 And > > is it an accident that=20 > two other men asked me > backchannel why I=20 > was > > surprised by the study? > > > > > >=20 > This type of exchange raises all sorts of=20 > questions > for me about this list. > >=C2 That=20 > study was posted on another listserv by a > man=20 > (James).=C2 I don't think > > he was queried=20 > about his motivation, nor was it > assumed he=20 > was > > shocked/surprised by the=20 > study.=C2 Correct me if > I'm wrong, James. And=20 > yes, I > > think this is a gender=20 > issue. > > > > > > I'm not alone as of late in=20 > wondering about the > dynamics of listserve > >=20 > etiquette, the different models of "feminine"=20 > and > "masculine" exchange, and > > just why=20 > this particular listserv, with nearly 2,000 >=20 > members now, has grown > > so utterly quiet in=20 > discussion.=C2 I know I'm > opening a can of=20 > worms now with > > this line of inquiry (pin=20 > the bulls eye on my forehead > gently, please),=20 > but > > while it seems the old model of open,=20 > unchecked > exchange led to more > > discussion=20 > in years past, a ton of flaming and ad hom >=20 > attacks inevitably and > > typically spiraled=20 > into intimidation and attack mode, >=20 > overwhelming and > > silencing most of the=20 > female members as well as many > men who simply=20 > didn't > > have the time or interest to engage=20 > in such battles. > > What was the past=20 > attraction?=C2 Does aggressive > baiting=20 > stimulate?=C2 False > > accusations or=20 > intentional misreadings?=C2 I wonder > if it's a=20 > coincidence that > > debate has significantly=20 > tapered now that those types > of exchanges=20 > are > > prohibited.=C2 Even more telling, when I=20 > post a > note of miscellany as a woman, > > I=20 > am "checked" backchannel by several men who >=20 > projected a response onto me > > that I simply=20 > did not have nor indicate anywhere in my >=20 > posting, forcing me > > into defense mode to=20 > waste more time that would be > better served=20 > in > > discussion/debate.=C2 These types of=20 > exchanges are > old school and so very > >=20 > tired. > > > > > > The women of Delirous Hem=20 > [http://www.delirioushem.blogspot.com/]=20 > have > > recently been discussing the dynamics=20 > of such exchange > as well as how men > > and=20 > women are actually advancing a feminist >=20 > poetics.=C2 This line of inquiry > > has even=20 > led a few to wonder aloud (via their blogs) >=20 > just what a feminist > > poetics is and how to=20 > promote it.=C2 Even a few men > aren't afraid of=20 > the > > notion that we need new models of=20 > exchange, which is a > poetics=20 > too. > >=C2 Feminist modes of thinking and=20 > operating may > not, after all, be for=20 > women > > only.=C2 I don't have the answers, but=20 > feminist > imaginings may actually > > provide=20 > models by which we can jump start a listserv >=20 > that seems to have > > grown quiet in exchange,=20 > even by initially asking, > Just what can=20 > feminist > > thinking make us aware of and what=20 > models for > discussion might we use? What > >=20 > is a feminist poetics, exactly?=C2 What are=20 > the > aims of feminist-minded poets? > > ...=20 > Some excerpts from the Delirous Hem=20 > responses: > > > > > > "while ideas live=20 > differently in different cultures, > equality=20 > is not > > necessarily a cultural idea/value;=20 > its thorough > application would involve a > >=20 > change in culture, and as an idea, it might=20 > arise or > live differently in > > different=20 > cultures, sure" > > -- Catherine Daly ( > >=20 >= http://cadaly.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-does-feminist-poet-look-like-or.htm= l =20 > > > ) > > > > ~~~ > > > > Gina Myers, a=20 > teacher, a poet, and an all around > amazing=20 > human being, has a > > piece up over at=20 > Delirious Hem, a blog for women > poets. Myers'=20 > piece, > > entitled "This is what a [post]=20 > feminist [poet] looks > like," explores her > >=20 > relationship with feminism in a so-called=20 > "post > feminist" society. ... > > > > > >=20 > Myers' poetry is an inspiration to all who read=20 > it, > and in he piece, she > > reflects on her=20 > work co-directing the Vagina > Monologues at a=20 > small town > > community college in the middle=20 > of a corn field and > overflowing with=20 > sexist, > > homophobic ideologies that only a=20 > select few seem to > want to fight=20 > against. > > > > > > I did not see one cause as=20 > being more important than > others, nor did=20 > I > > necessarily see them as being separate=20 > causes. The > larger issue is social > >=20 > justice, and I have continued to live my life >=20 > committed to this one cause. > > > >=20 > --Feministing [cont'd > >=20 >= http://community.feministing.com/2009/05/this-is-what-a-post-feminist-p.htm= l =20 > > > ] > > > > ~~~ > > > > A lot of the poems=20 > in Becoming the Villainess were > written after=20 > these > > experiences left me frustrated -=20 > "Okay, Ophelia" is > one of them. I started > >=20 > noticing that the culture does a great job of >=20 > portraying women as eye candy, > > as victims=20 > and villainesses, but not a great job of >=20 > portraying them as > > anything else. I started=20 > thinking about the mythology > and fairy tale=20 > stories > > I grew up with, and how women today=20 > could or couldn't > model themselves after > >=20 > those characters. > > > > > > ...The poems grew=20 > out of my increasing awareness of > how women=20 > are treated > > now, in myth, and in our=20 > culture.=C2 I grew up > around guys - I have=20 > three > > brothers, I dated a lot of great guys=20 > and had mostly > guy friends - and I'm > >=20 > happy to say I have a terrific, supportive,=20 > dare-I-say > feminist husband. But > > I look=20 > around me and wish for more positive role >=20 > models, for some support > > for women who need=20 > to be protected, for a place where > girls=20 > don't have to > > worry about what they wear=20 > for fear they will be > attacked. > > > >=20 > --Jeannine Hall Gailley=C2 [con't -- > >=20 > http://www.webbish6.com/2009/05/so-after-reading-about-feminism-here.html]= =20 > > > > > ~~~ > > > > I know there are more=20 > forums planned (I plan to > co-organize one,=20 > too), but > > I hope this topic gets a second=20 > run, because I imagine > there are plenty=20 > of > > women [poets] who thought they weren't=20 > feminist poets > until they read this > > --=20 > just as there were contributors who thought=20 > they > weren't feminist poets > > until they=20 > entered grad school, until they were > employed=20 > by a bureaucracy, > > until they sat down to=20 > write their pieces. > > > > > > A note on blog=20 > comment boxes: It's a thrill to see > these=20 > filled with > > women's opinions. I can feel,=20 > but can't yet quite > articulate, how the > >=20 > rhetoric shifts when women enter into=20 > comment-box > conversations. It seems to > > me=20 > that comment boxes are sometimes like city=20 > streets > at night: women know > > they=20 > shouldn't go alone, know they risk danger -- >=20 > leering eyes, men who do > > not know how to=20 > listen in earnest but would rather > hear=20 > themselves talk. > > > > --Becca Klaver [con't=20 > -- > >=20 >= http://beccaklaver.blogspot.com/2009/05/on-delirious-hem-this-is-what-femin= ist.html =20 > > > ] > > > > ~~~~ > > > > So what to add? How=20 > about a confession I'm not > supposed to make.=20 > When I was > > pregnant, I desperately wanted a=20 > boy and when I found > out I was having a > >=20 > boy, I cried with joy... > > > > > > But I did=20 > have a preference. There are some personal, >=20 > complicated reasons, > > but also there is a=20 > philosophical one. I want to try > to=20 > contribute to > > society a man who is=20 > thoughtful, introspective and > considerate.=20 > Somebody who > > doesn't view himself as the=20 > center, the norm, the > standard. A man who=20 > can > > both respect and not take advantage of=20 > the women of > his generation. As > > feminists=20 > and mothers in general, I believe we spend a >=20 > lot of time making up > > for what current=20 > society lacks and preparing our > daughters to=20 > handle that. I > > think this is incredibly=20 > important and must continue. > But I think some=20 > of us > > overlook how we need to prepare our=20 > sons. It's easy to > do, society offers so > >=20 > many more advantages to our sons. But society=20 > fails > them on many other > >=20 > levels. > > > > > > ...For instance, many of=20 > the poet-dads brag about > "changing a lot=20 > of > > diapers" or staying home a day or two a=20 > week to watch > their children. Yes, > > that's=20 > great. Yes, it undoubtedly is helpful to the >=20 > mother. Yes, that's > > likely a big step=20 > forward from what their fathers did. > But=20 > these guys see > > themselves as heros almost,=20 > like what their doing is > above and beyond=20 > the > > expectation. It doesn't occur to them=20 > that 30% of > diaper changing and 20% of > >=20 > childcare is closer to being described as >=20 > supplemental. > > > > > > I wouldn't even mind=20 > this imbalance if there was at > least an=20 > better > > awareness of it. A poet-dad=20 > admitting that his wife > does the bulk of=20 > the > > child rearing which allows him to write=20 > more and > travel, well that's a > > totally=20 > different situation. That's awareness and >=20 > honesty. He's not > > inflating himself or=20 > diminishing her. > > > > > > Can you imagine a=20 > poet-mom bragging that she changes a > lot of=20 > diapers? Your > > response would be, um, yeah,=20 > that's part of raising a > baby. If I=20 > bragged > > about staying home to watch my=20 > child, you'd stare and > scratch your head. > >=20 > Yes, you're a mother, you don't leave your=20 > young child > alone to fend for > > himself.=20 > How many times have I heard a poet-dad say >=20 > he's "babysitting" his > > own children? How=20 > can one babysit his own child? > Aren't poets=20 > supposedly be > > conscious of their word=20 > choices? How many poet-dads of > young children=20 > go > > away to writing colonies for a month at=20 > a time without > a second thought? > > It's=20 > kind of amazing. I go away for three nights=20 > and > am constantly reminded, > > often by=20 > complete strangers, how lucky (and of course, >=20 > selfish I am) to > > leave my son with his own=20 > father. > > > > --Reb Livingston [con't -- > >=20 > http://reblivingston.blogspot.com/2009/05/let-me-build-you-statue.html] = =20 > > > > > ~~~ > > > > So it isn=E2=80=99t like that=20 > when I say I was a feminist > for two seconds.=20 > I didn=E2=80=99t > > get it, and I still want to be=20 > one. I wish I was a > feminist more than > >=20 > anything. I did a semester in grad school for=20 > theology > because I think > > feminist=20 > theology is maybe second only to queer >=20 > theology in terms of, you > > know, solving all=20 > of life=E2=80=99s problems. My tongue is > set firmly=20 > on the bottom > > of my mouth here. > > > > > >=20 > ...But I think I was discouraged from all of=20 > this by > the cool reception I > > got from=20 > women, and also by the sheer difficulty of >=20 > trying to comprehend > > feminist intellectuals=20 > who make it a point to work > outside of=20 > the > > patriarchal system that I am fully=20 > steeped in. > > > > > > ....At any rate, I kind=20 > of don=E2=80=99t pay a lot of > attention to=20 > feminist > > currents anymore. > > > > > > But=20 > there is a really awesome new bloggish called >=20 > Delirious Hem, chock full > > of poets (women=20 > poets) describing their relationship > to=20 > feminism. It=E2=80=99s > > personal stuff, smart=20 > stuff, really clever at times > and really=20 > aware of the > > problems of communicating this=20 > way, and the problems > of not. > > > > > >=20 > --Adam Robinson [con't --=20 > http://htmlgiant.com/?p=3D8885] > > > > > >=20 > ~~~~ > > > > Practice, on the other hand, can=20 > move only in relation > to the world=E2=80=99s=20 > pace. > > While some things about the social=20 > condition of women > (which?) have changed > >=20 > since earlier generations of feminist=20 > discourse, other > things have changed > > more=20 > slowly if it all (which?). > > > > > > ...The=20 > arriving at (feminist) consciousness=20 > narrative. > A fact of being > > human:=20 > nobody=E2=80=99s born knowing anything. So learning >=20 > to be a feminist requires > > those moments of=20 > experience and recognition when one > discovers=20 > why it > > matters, and every writer who=20 > becomes invested in > feminism has to have=20 > such > > moments. > > > > > > And yet, of=20 > course, the fact that everyone has to have >=20 > them means that > > there=E2=80=99s now quite a=20 > history of narratives regarding > the arrival=20 > at feminist > > consciousness. > > > > > >=20 > ....The role of articulating a poetics as=20 > such. > Feminism is of course > > fundamentally=20 > a cultural practice. It=E2=80=99s possible to > be a=20 > feminist without > > being a poet or an artist=20 > at all, obviously. So is > there a specific=20 > relation > > between feminism and the actual=20 > practice of writing > lines of poetry (or > >=20 > other kinds of writing) in this or that way?=20 > If > feminism can be not simply a > > cultural=20 > theory but also a poetics, how does that >=20 > poetics look as an actual > > practice of how=20 > to write? And how are the questions of > how to=20 > write and what > > to write about=20 > connected? > > > > > > ...Does a list like this=20 > really have much value? Who > knows.=20 > Nonetheless, it > > has been fascinating for me=20 > to think again about how > alive and well=20 > feminist > > poetry still is as it brings new=20 > concerns into > relationship with many of=20 > its > > ongoing ones. > > > > > > --Mark=20 > Wallace [con't -- > >=20 >= http://wallacethinksagain.blogspot.com/2009/05/post-millenial-feminist-poet= ry.html =20 > > > ] > > > > ~~~ > > > > And much, much more=20 > to start thinking about over at > Delirious Hem=20 > -- > >=20 > http://www.delirioushem.blogspot.com/ > > > > > =20 > > Thanks for listening, > > > >=20 > Amy > > > > > > _______ > > > > > > > > > >=20 > Amy's Alias > > > >=20 > http://amyking.org/ > > > > > > > > > >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The=20 > Poetics List is moderated & does not accept >=20 > all posts. Check guidelines > > & sub/unsub=20 > info:=20 > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =20 > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The=20 > Poetics List is moderated & does not accept=20 > all > posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info:=20 > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept=20 >all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info:=20 >http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 01:20:03 -0400 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Buuck Subject: BARGE closing reception/performance Sat 5/30 4-6pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please join Mission17 and BARGE for the closing reception of "17 Reasons Why", the Visual/Cultural Criticism Residency exhibition. As part of the closing event, David Buuck will lead a performance and tour of the show, which will include readings, video, and street performance, along with the live assembly of "Reason 17," a catalog of the residency that will be free for visitors. Food and drink will be available, kids welcome - hope to see you there! Saturday May 30, 4-6pm. Mission17 Gallery 2111 Mission Street Suite 401 San Francisco 94110 mission17.org buuckbarge.wordpress.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:57:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Andrew Lundwall Subject: scantily clad update! 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 05:16:54 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Fieled Subject: PFS Post: Mark Young & Kelley White MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out sparkling new work from Otoliths editor Mark Young and Kelley Whi= te on PFS Post: =A0 http://www.artrecess.blogspot.com =A0 Sky Blue Bells Ringing, Adam=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 01:38:31 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed All but the important aspects. >- there seems to be a failure to accept that most aspects of writing well >CAN and ARE being taught ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:20:41 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Chris Pusateri Subject: LONDON READING, THIS WEDNESDAY, 5/27 7:30pm: Wagner, Pusateri, Pierce, Robinson, Ormonde, Linsley, Cremin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those living in or passing through London Openned presents Catherine Wagner Chris Pusateri Michelle Naka Pierce Sophie Robinson Johanna Linsley Ryan Ormonde Rebecca Cremin Where/when: This Wednesday=2C 27 May 7:30pm The Foundry 86 Great Eastern Street London=2C EC2A 3JL (basement level) Admission is free. Backchannel or visit www.openned.com for further details. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut= orial_WhatsNew1_052009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 06:43:25 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii & public intellectuals are a dying breed. Or, there is neither the space or a public interested in intellectual debate. Bohemia is dead/dead/dead. The listserv is a rare and much needed exception... from "The Last Intellectuals/American Culture In The Age of Academe", by Russell Jacoby: ...it was not alwyas difficult to name the "young" intellectuals. Once writers and critics regularly, often obsessively, monitered the new generation; tehy differed not so much over the manes but over their merits. Today even the briefest list would include many blanks: leading younger critics? sociologists? historians? philosophers? Psycholgists? Who are they? Where are they? --- On Sun, 5/24/09, Jim Andrews wrote: > From: Jim Andrews > Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 1:35 AM > i think lists have had their day as > high quality discussion forums. some options have emerged > since then, such as blogs and social networks. well lists > are social networks, aren't they. but they weren't called > that when they were in their prime. now the term 'social > networks' encompasses lists, things like facebook, myspace, > rss of blogs, and so on. there's more options and more > theory of social networks. unfortunately, for all that, i > haven't seen anything that rivals the early days of the list > in terms of strong discussion. i think it would take quite a > strong platform/app to do that. something that was strong > enough to merit the trust that the list no longer enjoys. if > that's possible. > > ja > http://vispo.com > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:18:11 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Crane's Bill Books Subject: Poetry installation in Albuquerque MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable THE LAND/an art site, Inc., presents =20 AZIMUTH: WRITING ON WALLS THE LAND/gallery June 6 - July 17 Opening reception June 6, 6-9 pm. =20 A text-environment incorporating AZIMUTH, a collaborative free renga by = Miriam Sagan and fourteen other poets. =20 Miriam Sagan is the author of more than twenty books, including the = recent MAP OF THE LOST from University of New Mexico Press. She created = this gallery-sized poem with JB Bryan, Paula Castillo, Abigail Doan, = Ephia, Dale Harris, Phyllis Hoge, J. A. Lee, Sabra Moore, Terry Mulert, = Steve Peters, Suzanne Sbarge, John Tritica, Stefi Weisburd and Mera = Wolf.=20 =20 More information: www.landartsite.org . =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:55:43 -0400 Reply-To: mtcross@buffalo.edu Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael T Cross Subject: Rob Halpern in the Pacific Northwest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends:=20 =20 Rob Halpern, author of Rumored Place (Krupskaya) and co-author of Snow Sens= itive Skin=20 (Atticus/Finch), is touring the Pacific Northwest this coming week in celeb= ration of his newest=20 book of poetry, Disaster Suites (Palm Press). Those familiar with Halpern a= nd his work know these=20 events are not to be missed. To sweeten the deal, I've produced a limited e= dition broadside of=20 Halpern's poem "Some Speculations Around George Oppen's Parousia" free to a= ttendees of the Seattle=20 events. I hope you'll have an opportunity to attend at least one of the fol= lowing: =20 =20 1. Wednesday, May 27th, 8pm Olympia, Washington The Evergreen State College=20 2700 Evergreen Parkway NW Evergreen State College Library (Underground) 2. Thursday, May 28th, 6pm=20 Seattle, Washington University of Washington The Henry Art Gallery's Cafe 4100 15th Ave. N. =20 3. Saturday, May 30th, 5pm Seattle, Washington Crawl Space 504 E. Denny Way #1 *Entrance on Summit Ave E =20 All best, Michael =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:22:20 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Feminist poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Appreciate reading your post, Ann. I am wondering,however, does knitting ha= ve to be gender identified, or gender claimed? That seems retro to me and n= o over-all benefit to 'the larger whole'. I have seen a lot of men knitting= great stuff. Just this weekend up in Monte Rio on the Russian River, we en= counter two men at a roadside table. They had yarns to extraordinary colors= - translucent blues, carrot reds, jades, deep rose reds, etc. One of them = was spinning a wooden wheel. There were a variety of woven caps in differen= t styles for sales. I joked with the spinner as to whether or not he 'could also tell a good ya= rn.'=A0 Ironically he had never heard the term 'yarn' for a story.=A0 Then = I told him that in Greek that the word 'text' means to 'weave' - as in, for= example, 'to weave a good story.' And that a good story usually also had a= good feel, 'a good texture'. Yes, he remembered a story of a woman who wen= t to court with her loom and put the words and account=A0 of the proceeding= s into an on the spot weaving. This is not to deny that different genders will do the same things quite di= fferently - no doubt informed by other causes as well (regional, age, etc.)= =20 Knitting is probably a form of 'marching in place' - as the legs go, and th= e fingers and hands keep going. Personally, I am walking not so far, and dr= awing much more! Stephen V http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Ann Bogle wrote: From: Ann Bogle Subject: Re: Feminist poetics To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 3:21 PM A v-striped-turtleneck?=A0 My sister, though she also writes, is=A0 a texti= le=20 designer. =20 AMB =20 =20 In a message dated 5/22/2009 4:41:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, AMBogle2= =A0=20 writes: My=A0 mother (who had wanted a career in public office) once knitted a=20 tailored=A0 three-color v-neck-turtleneck for my Barbie.=A0 My sister, who = is a=20 textual=A0 designer, and I still can't believe she knit=A0 it. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:49:54 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: Vargas Llosa detained at Venezuelan airport MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090525/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_venezuela_vargas_llosa CARACAS, Venezuela - Peruvian writer and journalist Alvaro Vargas Llosa says Venezuelan authorities detained him for about two hours after he arrived in Venezuela for an upcoming pro-democracy forum. NOTE: Vargas Lhosa's Turn to the Right has made him something of a Persona Non Grata in many Latin American countries- this attitude towards Sr. Lhosa appears in one of Robert Bolano's stories, for example-- ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:42:11 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: new book from TINFISH PRESS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Due this week, and available for purchase now! http://tinfishpress.com/books.html Paul Naylor, JAMMED TRANSMISSION Jammed Transmission is a unique text. It is poetry, but not poetry, philosophy but not philosophy, religion but not religion. It probably refers, wittingly or unwittingly, to ancient writing practices that were considered to be spiritual exercises, shorthand verse-form takes on scripture, composition as devotional exploration. Such forms of writing were commonplace all over the world at a time when religion – conceived as the process of ultimate encounter with the limits of human thought and being – was not, as it is now, divorced from the literary arts. In fact, in ancient times, long before religion learned how to become effectively repressive and oppressive, there was no distinction whatsoever between these two fields of endeavor. All religion required forms of writing, all writing was sacred writing, and all writers were of necessity religious people, because it was only within monasteries and religious enclaves that the esoteric arts of reading, writing and calligraphy were practiced. (Norman Fischer) $16 from Tinfish Press, 47-728 Hui Kelu Street #9, Kaneohe, HI 96744 http://tinfishpress.com Also available soon from SPD, spdbooks.org aloha, Susan ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 05:40:29 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark, Exactly. Which is why I brought the larger question back to "What can a feminist poetics offer?" Going back, I do think the immediate reaction to my Briton post was gendered. I doubt very much if James, who originally posted the note with no other miscellany on another list received queries presuming he was "shocked" and "surprised." There was no indication in my note that I was either, and yet. Does David Chirot, who often posts studies here from the NYT, receive such backchannel queries? But that was just one event on this list that represents a model that is often gendered. There have been many other examples here that have devolved into bullying, aggression, and intimidation. And this model, like it or not, is classically dubbed a masculine one, no matter who executes it. BUT. That is not to say, and I think we all know this, that women cannot adopt that model. From childhood, we are each gendered and taught to behave accordingly. It's why gender ambiguity is so frowned upon from the start. We want things to be clear so that we can fit the packaged expectations. It's very important to parents that they know "what they are having" beyond just a healthy baby. Clear gender is vital. Many more intersex children are born than we realize (or care to admit - http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency), but parents are urged to "correct" their childrent at birth. Then we've got studies that illustrate how people, once they know the gender of a baby, handle boys more roughly than girls. Next, everyone is telling boys not to cry and to be a "big boy" when they exhibit "feminine" expressions like crying or dancing or appreciating frilly or colorful things. If he likes to paint, he better not like nail polish. Girls are emphatically schooled to share, care, nurture their dollies, dress like princesses (learn to be beautiful), etc. Literature, including children's verse, begins by upholding that tradition of socializing gender. Where the Wild Things Are emphasizes the "boy code" which is one that encourages boys to be adventurous, disobedient (to a limit - they eventually do come home to eat), independent, and above all, powerful. You need only Google "the boy code" to learn all that this term entails. When the boy in the book finally dominates the monsters, he learns that he has this potential to overcome other forms of power through his own strength, and should, and he will be able to continue to do so throughout his life. On the flip side, girls are taught in their books to be social via tea parties, to help each other learn how to ice skate and other non-competitive activities, and to just generally be cooperative and interdependent. I'm not saying grown-up women don't get bitter that these are the roles we've been instructed in anymore than men don't feel confined by their roles to always exhibit strength. Additionally, both models have much to offer. We develop skills in competition; we complement each other as a species and help others to grow through cooperation. Of course, all of this is a quick, very generalized overview. *Moreover*, once we've learned these gendered behaviors, it's very difficult to take a step back and ask, "What isn't natural about the way I interact with others? What behaviors and ways of seeing have I learned? How do I communicate and what presumptions do I make based on how I learned to be a male or female?" There is immediate, massive resistance to such examining because to do so A) acknowledges that some of what we think of ourselves as being "naturally" we were in fact conditioned to and, gulp, such learning was beyond our control (does that inherently imply that we were duped?) and B) it's easy not to consider such gendering because it is so very base and instinctive for adults. Childhood conditioning becomes "second nature." "It's just the way I am." Studying any ideology, particularly one's own that is referred to as "reality" is simply upsetting. Especially when the very question implies the possibility of change. And so we get to the original question -- what can a feminist poetics offer? Feminism, more specifically, a feminist poetics is the school of language work that strives to lay bare just how language is gendered *and* seeks to confound/upset/dismantle the expectations and mechanisms of those uses. It works away at the very ways we communicate. And yes, as noted, anyone can adopt those masculine and feminine models. It's why a select few women can behave as aggressively on another list (turf) as the select few men on this list can: because we are socialized to believe these behaviors are natural, but they are in fact learned and can be adopted at will. We fall back into our effortless roles of communicating as we were taught growing up -- it's why Reb, in the material I posted, was excited to raise a boy; she wants to break that tradition and raise a man who does not learn the "boy code" and all that it offers (and restricts). A feminist poetics also strives to confound the segregation of those models and see what happens when we mix up "feminine" and "masculine" ways of using language. I posted a few snippets indicating as much too. Perhaps they were lost in proving that the lull in list discussion was all my fault... No matter. The former listserv model only worked for a select few and silenced many. As noted, these were men and women who were silenced. If current moderation simply means those select few don't get to name call and ad hom everyone into spent exhaustion and silence in the days of yore, then this will remain a list of announcements. But if some are interested in figuring out how we can communicate without resorting to such tactics, then the list just might resuscitate a bit. A list is only as good as its discussions and participants. I do think, as earlier noted, the lull goes beyond examining the gendered nature of those former discussions; there are other factors, as others have now noted, that detract from list discussion such as blogs. How many have left this forum to retreat to their own sites and others' comments streams? Do the smaller number of participants create a sense of community that nearly 2000 cannot? And perhaps people appreciate having a low volume listserv that solely provides announcements? Perhaps I am nostalgic for a period of discussion on this list from so very long ago, one that didn't resort to bashing other moderators and the creator of the list for discussion fodder. Yikes -- more to say on mixing up the feminine and masculine modes / models but I'm late for an appointment! Be well, Amy _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ --- On Sun, 5/24/09, you wrote: Amy: One might suggest that in this otherwise quiet time on the list your post could be the tinder that starts a flame war. The worst I've ever been treated on line has been by some of the women on WOMPO, who seem to think that the rules of civilized behavior don't apply in relation to men. The vast majority of the members are a lot more hospitable, but the verbal violence of the few appears to drive them into silence. So much for gender. Human unpleasantness is equal-opportunity. I'll be away from my computer til Sunday very late. Mark ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:20:23 -0700 Reply-To: jkarmin@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Jenny Holzer exhibit in NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jenny Holzer: PROTECT PROTECT through May 31, 2009 at the Whitney Museum of American Art 945 Madison Ave -- NYC http://whitney.org "For more than thirty years, Jenny Holzer's work has paired text and instal= lation to examine emotional and societal realities. Her choice of forms and= media brings a sensate experience to the contradictory voices, opinions, a= nd attitudes that shape everyday life.=A0 The 1990s heralded a turn in Holz= er's practice toward greater visual and environmental presence.=A0 In this = exhibition, which centers on her work from the mid-1990s to the present, Ho= lzer joins political bravura with formal beauty, sensitivity, and power."= =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:46:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: book ideas? In-Reply-To: <219027.44054.qm@web52404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "issues in poetics" Poetry and Cultural Studies: A Reader, edited by yrs truly and Ira Livingston. Shd be available any minute now (U-Illinois Press). steve russell wrote: > "issues in poetics"-- > > Politics & Poetic Value, edited by Robert von Hallberg > > --- On Sun, 5/24/09, Eric Weinstein wrote: > > >> From: Eric Weinstein >> Subject: Re: book ideas? >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 7:08 AM >> Also seconding Mark Weiss' >> suggestion. Poems for the Millennium Vol. 2 is >> excellent; Donald Allen's The New American Poetry, 1945 - >> 1960 might make a >> good companion text. >> >> E >> >> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Gerald Schwartz wrote: >> >> >>> Under the Rock Umbrella >>> Contemporary Poets 1951-77 >>> Edited by William Walsh >>> Mercer University Press (2006) >>> >>> --Gerald Schwartz >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>>> I'm teaching a senior undergraduate course >>>> >> entitled "Poetry since 1950" in >> >>>> the fall, and I'm making up my own anthology as a >>>> >> course package so as to >> >>>> include a fair amount of experimental material. >>>> >> However, I need some ideas >> >>>> for a short critical overview of contemporary >>>> >> poetry that takes a world or >> >>>> at least trans-Atlantic perspective and addresses >>>> >> historical contexts, >> >>>> movements, issues in poetics, etc. Is there such a >>>> >> book available? >> >>>> Thanks for ideas. >>>> >>>> Hilary Clark >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not >>>> >> accept all posts. Check >> >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept >>> >> all posts. Check guidelines >> >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Eric Weinstein >> 1319 Washington St., Apt. 1L >> Hoboken, NJ 07030-6759 >> (603) 566-6393 >> eric.q.weinstein@gmail.com >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all >> posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:20:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Vargas Llosa detained at Venezuelan airport In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Turn to the right? He has always been on the right. gb On May 25, 2009, at 4:49 PM, David Chirot wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090525/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/ > lt_venezuela_vargas_llosa > > CARACAS, Venezuela - Peruvian writer and journalist Alvaro Vargas > Llosa says > Venezuelan authorities detained him for about two hours after he > arrived in > Venezuela for an upcoming pro-democracy forum. > > NOTE: Vargas Lhosa's Turn to the Right has made him something of a > Persona > Non Grata in many Latin American countries- > > this attitude towards Sr. Lhosa appears in one of Robert Bolano's > stories, > for example-- > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html G. Harry Bowering Merchant of Mirth ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 01:34:46 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0905240750u257515a2vc9d70df1e4d529ff@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i don't think i've ever seen a list that has taken a dive really come back to life. it might continue to have lots of announcements and perhaps poems and creative writings and so forth. but once they are scuttled as discussion forums, they don't seem to recover as discussion forums. and they're relatively easy to scuttle as discussion forums. any idiot can and does post to them. if the list has interesting artists/critics/thinkers on it, all the better to bray on. the open, unmoderated list can't be a good discussion forum for very long. it's too bad. a cryin shame, really. we need an alternative where it is much easier to tune out braying. i know how to create a filter where mail from person x goes in the sin bin, but not a filter where the mail is from a list and the poster is x. facebook has this figured out, but i haven't run across any good discussion on facebook. but the above presupposes a web interface. or a cross-platform email client architecture where it's easy to develop plugins for a wide variety of email clients. that'd be nice. then we could develop 'list apps' in email clients. you'd think the major makers of email clients would get together on such an effort. sort of like the w3c of emaildom. ja http://vispo.com > Jim, > > That is exactly my point. Was the sacrifice worth it or was the cure many > times worse than the disease? Of course, that maybe just a man speaking. > > Ciao, > > Murat ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:02:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Alan Sondheim and Sandy Baldwin Second Life Performance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed A Life History Performance Alan Sondheim and Sandy Baldwin Performing in Barcelona and Second Life, 1630 hours Eastern Time, May 26 SLURL: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Odyssey/114/185/801 Witness the carapace of appearances, the wildlife exhibit, the shell and script of avatar bildungsroman. Alan Sondheim and Sandy Baldwin emanate with extra-ordinary langauges, disorderly conducts, and shamanistic bodies. Performance as part of E-Poetry 2009, in the Bar-Cockteelaria Milano in Barcelona, Spain, and in Second Life at the the following SLURL: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Odyssey/114/185/801 (This may or may not work - if not, just look for Alan Dojoji and ask for teleport. Time slightly variable.) Note: the performance will state at approximately 1630 hours New York City time and conclude at approximately 1730 hours. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:41:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Herbert Cunningham Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: <299582.98401.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An interesting perspective, Amy, and one well stated. And you've made an attempt in your discussion to be inclusive and not point fingers when you refer to "bullying, aggression, and intimidation" saying that this is a learned response. There is one problem created by your prose, however, and that is labelling it a 'feminist poetics'. This label, in and of itself, refutes your inclusivity. And please, don't take this as if I'm faulting your analysis. It's just that, when you state "Feminism, more specifically, a feminist poetics is the school of language work that strives to lay bare just how language is gendered *and* seeks to confound/upset/dismantle the expectations and mechanisms of those uses. It works away at the very ways we communicate.", you have neglected to examine and analyze this most basic of terms. Calling something a 'feminist poetics' is almost guaranteed to raise the hairs on the backs of nearly half your audience as a 'feminist poetics' must be in opposition to a 'masculine poetics', whatever the hell that is. Applying a binary Saussurean analysis to this, 'feminist poetics' is being privileged to the denigration of anything the male might contribute. Which is unfortunate as it is not what you intended. And I'm not saying that at one time (hopefully, no longer today) this rallying cry was required and necessary in order to get beyond the benign neglect occasioned by the at one time dominant male population. Somehow, we have to get beyond these gendered terms to a position of personhood. John Herbert Cunningham -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of amy king Sent: May-26-09 7:40 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors Mark, Exactly. Which is why I brought the larger question back to "What can a feminist poetics offer?" Going back, I do think the immediate reaction to my Briton post was gendered. I doubt very much if James, who originally posted the note with no other miscellany on another list received queries presuming he was "shocked" and "surprised." There was no indication in my note that I was either, and yet. Does David Chirot, who often posts studies here from the NYT, receive such backchannel queries? But that was just one event on this list that represents a model that is often gendered. There have been many other examples here that have devolved into bullying, aggression, and intimidation. And this model, like it or not, is classically dubbed a masculine one, no matter who executes it. BUT. That is not to say, and I think we all know this, that women cannot adopt that model. From childhood, we are each gendered and taught to behave accordingly. It's why gender ambiguity is so frowned upon from the start. We want things to be clear so that we can fit the packaged expectations. It's very important to parents that they know "what they are having" beyond just a healthy baby. Clear gender is vital. Many more intersex children are born than we realize (or care to admit - http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency), but parents are urged to "correct" their childrent at birth. Then we've got studies that illustrate how people, once they know the gender of a baby, handle boys more roughly than girls. Next, everyone is telling boys not to cry and to be a "big boy" when they exhibit "feminine" expressions like crying or dancing or appreciating frilly or colorful things. If he likes to paint, he better not like nail polish. Girls are emphatically schooled to share, care, nurture their dollies, dress like princesses (learn to be beautiful), etc. Literature, including children's verse, begins by upholding that tradition of socializing gender. Where the Wild Things Are emphasizes the "boy code" which is one that encourages boys to be adventurous, disobedient (to a limit - they eventually do come home to eat), independent, and above all, powerful. You need only Google "the boy code" to learn all that this term entails. When the boy in the book finally dominates the monsters, he learns that he has this potential to overcome other forms of power through his own strength, and should, and he will be able to continue to do so throughout his life. On the flip side, girls are taught in their books to be social via tea parties, to help each other learn how to ice skate and other non-competitive activities, and to just generally be cooperative and interdependent. I'm not saying grown-up women don't get bitter that these are the roles we've been instructed in anymore than men don't feel confined by their roles to always exhibit strength. Additionally, both models have much to offer. We develop skills in competition; we complement each other as a species and help others to grow through cooperation. Of course, all of this is a quick, very generalized overview. *Moreover*, once we've learned these gendered behaviors, it's very difficult to take a step back and ask, "What isn't natural about the way I interact with others? What behaviors and ways of seeing have I learned? How do I communicate and what presumptions do I make based on how I learned to be a male or female?" There is immediate, massive resistance to such examining because to do so A) acknowledges that some of what we think of ourselves as being "naturally" we were in fact conditioned to and, gulp, such learning was beyond our control (does that inherently imply that we were duped?) and B) it's easy not to consider such gendering because it is so very base and instinctive for adults. Childhood conditioning becomes "second nature." "It's just the way I am." Studying any ideology, particularly one's own that is referred to as "reality" is simply upsetting. Especially when the very question implies the possibility of change. And so we get to the original question -- what can a feminist poetics offer? And yes, as noted, anyone can adopt those masculine and feminine models. It's why a select few women can behave as aggressively on another list (turf) as the select few men on this list can: because we are socialized to believe these behaviors are natural, but they are in fact learned and can be adopted at will. We fall back into our effortless roles of communicating as we were taught growing up -- it's why Reb, in the material I posted, was excited to raise a boy; she wants to break that tradition and raise a man who does not learn the "boy code" and all that it offers (and restricts). A feminist poetics also strives to confound the segregation of those models and see what happens when we mix up "feminine" and "masculine" ways of using language. I posted a few snippets indicating as much too. Perhaps they were lost in proving that the lull in list discussion was all my fault... No matter. The former listserv model only worked for a select few and silenced many. As noted, these were men and women who were silenced. If current moderation simply means those select few don't get to name call and ad hom everyone into spent exhaustion and silence in the days of yore, then this will remain a list of announcements. But if some are interested in figuring out how we can communicate without resorting to such tactics, then the list just might resuscitate a bit. A list is only as good as its discussions and participants. I do think, as earlier noted, the lull goes beyond examining the gendered nature of those former discussions; there are other factors, as others have now noted, that detract from list discussion such as blogs. How many have left this forum to retreat to their own sites and others' comments streams? Do the smaller number of participants create a sense of community that nearly 2000 cannot? And perhaps people appreciate having a low volume listserv that solely provides announcements? Perhaps I am nostalgic for a period of discussion on this list from so very long ago, one that didn't resort to bashing other moderators and the creator of the list for discussion fodder. Yikes -- more to say on mixing up the feminine and masculine modes / models but I'm late for an appointment! Be well, Amy _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ --- On Sun, 5/24/09, you wrote: Amy: One might suggest that in this otherwise quiet time on the list your post could be the tinder that starts a flame war. The worst I've ever been treated on line has been by some of the women on WOMPO, who seem to think that the rules of civilized behavior don't apply in relation to men. The vast majority of the members are a lot more hospitable, but the verbal violence of the few appears to drive them into silence. So much for gender. Human unpleasantness is equal-opportunity. I'll be away from my computer til Sunday very late. Mark ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:02:38 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "J. Michael Mollohan" Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The alternative which you seek is called usenet. A usenet newsgroup may be moderated or not, preferably moderated, considering the trolls that lurk there. One may then create a killfile for your newsreader in which to dump undesired posters. Usenet is thriving with well over 100,000 groups, some of them quite active. Connected newsgroups could be set up as well, including binary groups where graphics and sound and short videos could be posted. You could have something like alt.poeticslist.discussion.moderated along with alt.poeticslist.poems and alt.poeticslist.binaries and this could possibly lead to a more robust use of the notion. HTH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Andrews" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:34 AM Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors >i don't think i've ever seen a list that has taken a dive really come back >to life. > > it might continue to have lots of announcements and perhaps poems and > creative writings and so forth. but once they are scuttled as discussion > forums, they don't seem to recover as discussion forums. > > and they're relatively easy to scuttle as discussion forums. any idiot can > and does post to them. if the list has interesting > artists/critics/thinkers on it, all the better to bray on. > > the open, unmoderated list can't be a good discussion forum for very long. > it's too bad. a cryin shame, really. > > we need an alternative where it is much easier to tune out braying. i know > how to create a filter where mail from person x goes in the sin bin, but > not a filter where the mail is from a list and the poster is x. facebook > has this figured out, but i haven't run across any good discussion on > facebook. > > but the above presupposes a web interface. or a cross-platform email > client architecture where it's easy to develop plugins for a wide variety > of email clients. that'd be nice. then we could develop 'list apps' in > email clients. you'd think the major makers of email clients would get > together on such an effort. sort of like the w3c of emaildom. > > ja > http://vispo.com > > >> Jim, >> >> That is exactly my point. Was the sacrifice worth it or was the cure many >> times worse than the disease? Of course, that maybe just a man speaking. >> >> Ciao, >> >> Murat > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:50:19 -0500 Reply-To: junction@earthlink.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the familiar explanation. It would be helpful if we had a state = of nature for comparison, but we don't. There's of course no denying the di= fferences in role models in our society and their enforcement by difference= s in child rearing. But the underlying assumptions about the nature of the = species and genders are less than compelling. One of those assumptions,agai= nst a great deal of evidence, seems to be that we come into this world as t= abulae rasa, hence infinitely mutable. Another seems to be that in a state = of nature little girls, and boys, would be made of sugar and spice and ever= ything nice, and that in the society we have aggression by men and women is= a distortion of nature and to be lamented. I'm not that optimistic. It's e= ntirely possible that, raised with no social expectations whatever, more li= ttle girls would grow up to be as aggressive as some men, and that aggressi= ve women in our society have against the odds succeeded in being themselves= , or that there are more aggressive women because there is less childhood c= onditioning against aggressiveness. Regardless, we can make a fair guess th= at in whatever just society there would be wide variation, with an unhealth= y percentage of women as well as men exhibiting uncomfortable levels of agg= ression. One sign of this might be the numbers of women who, thanks to fert= ility control, find themselves free to join the military. Are they being ma= sculine, or are they subject to the same economic motivations that drive so= me young men to enlist, and also the ungendered psychological motivations t= hat drive some of those young men to enjoy inflicting pain? In a just socie= ty would more female sociopaths feel free to express themselves as men do? Back to list behavior. I don't see any solution. I've been on this and othe= r lists for a long time, and I don't remember "a period of discussion on th= is list from so very long ago, one that didn't resort to bashing other mode= rators and the creator of the list for discussion fodder." All lists seem t= o go through periods of warfare, though this more than most. I suspect that= it's the demographics--a lot of academics, and a lot of the young. In any = event, we're talking about the behavior of very few--active participation o= n any list I know of seems to be restricted to a very few members, you and = I among them. Best, Mark 05:40 AM 5/26/2009 -0700, you wrote: Mark, Exactly. Which is why I brought the larger question back to "What can a fe= minist poetics offer?" =20 Going back, I do think the immediate reaction to my Briton post was gendere= d. I doubt very much if James, who originally posted the note with no othe= r miscellany on another list received queries presuming he was "shocked" an= d "surprised." There was no indication in my note that I was either, and y= et. Does David Chirot, who often posts studies here from the NYT, receive = such backchannel queries? But that was just one event on this list that re= presents a model that is often gendered. There have been many other exampl= es here that have devolved into bullying, aggression, and intimidation. An= d this model, like it or not, is classically dubbed a masculine one, no mat= ter who executes it. BUT. That is not to say, and I think we all know thi= s, that women cannot adopt that model. =20 From childhood, we are each gendered and taught to behave accordingly. It'= s why gender ambiguity is so frowned upon from the start. We want things t= o be clear so that we can fit the packaged expectations. It's very importa= nt to parents that they know "what they are having" beyond just a healthy b= aby. Clear gender is vital. Many more intersex children are born than we = realize (or care to admit - http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency), but parents= are urged to "correct" their childrent at birth. Then we've got studies t= hat illustrate how people, once they know the gender of a baby, handle boys= more roughly than girls. Next, everyone is telling boys not to cry and to= be a "big boy" when they exhibit "feminine" expressions like crying or dan= cing or appreciating frilly or colorful things. If he likes to paint, he b= etter not like nail polish. Girls are emphatically schooled to share, care= , nurture their dollies, dress like princesses (learn to be beautiful), etc. =20 Literature, including children's verse, begins by upholding that tradition = of socializing gender. Where the Wild Things Are emphasizes the "boy code"= which is one that encourages boys to be adventurous, disobedient (to a lim= it - they eventually do come home to eat), independent, and above all, powe= rful. You need only Google "the boy code" to learn all that this term enta= ils. When the boy in the book finally dominates the monsters, he learns th= at he has this potential to overcome other forms of power through his own s= trength, and should, and he will be able to continue to do so throughout hi= s life. On the flip side, girls are taught in their books to be social via= tea parties, to help each other learn how to ice skate and other non-compe= titive activities, and to just generally be cooperative and interdependent.= I'm not saying grown-up women don't get bitter that these are the roles w= e've been instructed in anymore than men don't feel confined by their roles to always exhibit strength. =20 Additionally, both models have much to offer. We develop skills in competi= tion; we complement each other as a species and help others to grow through= cooperation. Of course, all of this is a quick, very generalized overview= . *Moreover*, once we've learned these gendered behaviors, it's very diffic= ult to take a step back and ask, "What isn't natural about the way I intera= ct with others? What behaviors and ways of seeing have I learned? How do = I communicate and what presumptions do I make based on how I learned to be = a male or female?" There is immediate, massive resistance to such examinin= g because to do so A) acknowledges that some of what we think of ourselves = as being "naturally" we were in fact conditioned to and, gulp, such learnin= g was beyond our control (does that inherently imply that we were duped?) = and B) it's easy not to consider such gendering because it is so very base = and instinctive for adults. Childhood conditioning becomes "second nature." "It's just the way I am." Studying any ideology, particularly o= ne's own that is referred to as "reality" is simply upsetting. Especially = when the very question implies the possibility of change. And so we get to the original question -- what can a feminist poetics offer= ? Feminism, more specifically, a feminist poetics is the school of languag= e work that strives to lay bare just how language is gendered *and* seeks t= o confound/upset/dismantle the expectations and mechanisms of those uses. = It works away at the very ways we communicate. And yes, as noted, anyone c= an adopt those masculine and feminine models. It's why a select few women = can behave as aggressively on another list (turf) as the select few men on = this list can: because we are socialized to believe these behaviors are na= tural, but they are in fact learned and can be adopted at will. We fall ba= ck into our effortless roles of communicating as we were taught growing up = -- it's why Reb, in the material I posted, was excited to raise a boy; she = wants to break that tradition and raise a man who does not learn the "boy c= ode" and all that it offers (and restricts). A feminist poetics also strives to confound the segregation of those models and see what happens w= hen we mix up "feminine" and "masculine" ways of using language. I posted = a few snippets indicating as much too. Perhaps they were lost in proving t= hat the lull in list discussion was all my fault...=20 No matter. The former listserv model only worked for a select few and sile= nced many. As noted, these were men and women who were silenced. If curre= nt moderation simply means those select few don't get to name call and ad h= om everyone into spent exhaustion and silence in the days of yore, then thi= s will remain a list of announcements. But if some are interested in figur= ing out how we can communicate without resorting to such tactics, then the = list just might resuscitate a bit. A list is only as good as its discussio= ns and participants. I do think, as earlier noted, the lull goes beyond ex= amining the gendered nature of those former discussions; there are other fa= ctors, as others have now noted, that detract from list discussion such as = blogs. How many have left this forum to retreat to their own sites and oth= ers' comments streams? Do the smaller number of participants create a sens= e of community that nearly 2000 cannot? And perhaps people appreciate having a low volume listserv that solely provides announcements= ? Perhaps I am nostalgic for a period of discussion on this list from so v= ery long ago, one that didn't resort to bashing other moderators and the cr= eator of the list for discussion fodder. =20 Yikes -- more to say on mixing up the feminine and masculine modes / models= but I'm late for an appointment! Be well, Amy =20 _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ --- On Sun, 5/24/09, you wrote: Amy: One might suggest that in this otherwise quiet=20 time on the list your post could be the tinder that starts a flame war. The worst I've ever been treated on line has been=20 by some of the women on WOMPO, who seem to think=20 that the rules of civilized behavior don't apply=20 in relation to men. The vast majority of the=20 members are a lot more hospitable, but the verbal=20 violence of the few appears to drive them into=20 silence. So much for gender. Human unpleasantness is equal-opportunity. I'll be away from my computer til Sunday very late. Mark =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:45:18 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you, John. However, I disagree with the notion that a "feminist poet= ics" implies a divisiveness based on there being one versus the other. Tha= t would be a "feminine poetics" versus a "masculine poetics." A feminist p= oetics is not exclusive to one gender. It's true that feminism, historical= ly, has sought to make practical strides for women such as achieving equal = pay and fairness in the law. But men have since become feminists (some cal= l themselves as much too) as they have benefited from the more complex effo= rts to change gender roles and expand the very notion of gender, behaviors,= etc. There are now many men who embrace feminism for what that school of = thought has opened up for everyone, because of and despite gender divisions= . And beyond them. For those reasons, again, practically speaking, there = are men today who are living very different lives than their fathers and gr= andfathers. Riskily generalizing again, men are nurturing more now than ever (& not just in the home but in relation to others at work, with = friends, etc), view relationships with their wives / parnters in much more = egalitarian ways than even as recently as the feminine mystique (despite it= s remaining vestiges - http://www.nysun.com/arts/reconsiderations-betty-fri= edans-the-feminine/86003/), stand up to bullying even when its the popular = thing to join in on, and a lot more changes than I can note here. Overall,= both genders are engaging in ways of communicating previously unimagined a= nd are appreciating and respecting more than ever before. =0A=0AI don't th= ink a feminist poetics is exclusive to women -- at all -- which is why we a= re now seeing more men and women (and those beyond the strict labels of "me= n" and "women") inquiring into and exploring what a feminist poetics is att= empting and might offer. Of course, my rudimentary explanation was meant o= nly to illustrate the foundations from which a feminist poetics was born; i= t is not -- by a long or short shot -- an explanation of what a feminist po= etics is. I think there is a "fourth wave" (or whatever period we're enter= ing) that will surprisingly include more men than ever. I earlier posted e= xcerpts from just a few of the male poets who are inquiring to illustrate t= hat a feminist poetics is open to all and is a much more complex field than= even I am aware. Some of those notes I posted reveal that many are just n= ow beginning to ask, "Who is practicing a feminist poetics and what are the= y doing?" -- in that line of inquiry is the idea that there are surely a variety of foci, aims, and achievements to date. By st= arting with how have we worked through inequities and how are we addressing= them, as well as conceptual ones, we can trace some practices as well as n= ote new innovations as they come to light. =0A=0AAll in all, a feminist po= etics queries just what a "masculine poetics" does as well as a "feminine p= oetics" because both sides of the (false but still taught) dualism have the= ir positives and negatives that we are trying to sort through -- as you are= well aware, I'm sure, the very fact that the two are separated and then co= nditioned as behaviors based on biological gender is a sad condition that n= eed not be. Who gets told to be aggressive? Who gets applauded for speaki= ng with intimidation? Who is encouraged to avoid disagreement in favor of = affirming others? Who sacrifices expressing what one knows because modesty= is preferred over "vanity"? What is expected of me on those bases? etc. = A feminist poetics wants to confound those binaries, from what I've seen, a= nd blur the lines of who gets to practice a masculine poetics vs. a feminin= e one. A feminist poetics, in part, wants to conflate the very notions, re= duce some aspects, emphasize others, etc.=20 And of course, all of this remains much more complex than my explanation, = which is why I posed the question to the list, "What can a feminist poetics= offer in relation to the way we communicate, operate within a listserv com= munity, and beyond?" Personhood, yes! Perhaps we could create a personhoo= d poetics, but until then, its foundation is in a feminist poetics from wha= t I can tell ...=0A=0ABest,=0A=0AAmy=0A=0A=0A_______=0A=0A=0AAmy's Alias=0A= http://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A--- On Tue, 5/26/09, John Herbert Cunningham wrote:=0A=0A> From: John Herbert Cunningham =0A> Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call fo= r Poetics Contributors=0A> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A> Date: Tuesd= ay, May 26, 2009, 9:41 AM=0A> An interesting perspective, Amy, and=0A> one = well stated. And you've made an=0A> attempt in your discussion to be inclus= ive and not point=0A> fingers when you=0A> refer to "bullying, aggression, = and intimidation" saying=0A> that this is a=0A> learned response. There is = one problem created by your=0A> prose, however, and=0A> that is labelling i= t a 'feminist poetics'. This label, in=0A> and of itself,=0A> refutes your = inclusivity. And please, don't take this as if=0A> I'm=C2=A0 faulting=0A> y= our=C2=A0 analysis. It's just that, when you state=0A> "Feminism, more spec= ifically,=0A> a feminist poetics is the school of language work that=0A> st= rives to lay bare=0A> just how language is gendered *and* seeks to=0A> conf= ound/upset/dismantle the=0A> expectations and mechanisms of those uses.=C2= =A0 It works=0A> away at the very ways=0A> we communicate.", you have negle= cted to examine and analyze=0A> this most basic=0A> of terms. Calling somet= hing a 'feminist poetics' is almost=0A> guaranteed to=0A> raise the hairs o= n the backs of nearly half your audience=0A> as a 'feminist=0A> poetics' mu= st be in opposition to a 'masculine poetics',=0A> whatever the hell=0A> tha= t is. Applying a binary Saussurean analysis to this,=0A> 'feminist poetics'= =0A> is being privileged to the denigration of anything the male=0A> might= =0A> contribute. Which is unfortunate as it is not what you=0A> intended. A= nd I'm not=0A> saying that at one time (hopefully, no longer today) this=0A= > rallying cry was=0A> required and necessary in order to get beyond the be= nign=0A> neglect occasioned=0A> by the at one time dominant male population= . Somehow, we=0A> have to get beyond=0A> these gendered terms to a position= of personhood.=0A> John Herbert Cunningham=0A> =0A> -----Original Message-= ----=0A> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.ED= U]=0A> On=0A> Behalf Of amy king=0A> Sent: May-26-09 7:40 AM=0A> To: POETIC= S@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A> Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call fo= r Poetics=0A> Contributors=0A> =0A> Mark,=0A> =0A> Exactly.=C2=A0 Which is = why I brought the larger question=0A> back to "What can a=0A> feminist poet= ics offer?"=C2=A0 =0A> =0A> Going back, I do think the immediate reaction t= o my Briton=0A> post was=0A> gendered.=C2=A0 I doubt very much if James, wh= o originally=0A> posted the note with=0A> no other miscellany on another li= st received queries=0A> presuming he was=0A> "shocked" and "surprised."=C2= =A0 There was no indication in=0A> my note that I was=0A> either, and yet.= =C2=A0 Does David Chirot, who often posts=0A> studies here from the=0A> NYT= , receive such backchannel queries?=C2=A0 But that was=0A> just one event o= n this=0A> list that represents a model that is often gendered.=C2=A0=0A> T= here have been many=0A> other examples here that have devolved into bullyin= g,=0A> aggression, and=0A> intimidation.=C2=A0 And this model, like it or n= ot, is=0A> classically dubbed a=0A> masculine one, no matter who executes i= t.=C2=A0 BUT.=C2=A0=0A> That is not to say, and I=0A> think we all know thi= s, that women cannot adopt that=0A> model.=C2=A0 =0A> =0A> From childhood, = we are each gendered and taught to behave=0A> accordingly.=C2=A0 It's=0A> w= hy gender ambiguity is so frowned upon from the=0A> start.=C2=A0 We want th= ings to=0A> be clear so that we can fit the packaged=0A> expectations.=C2= =A0 It's very important=0A> to parents that they know "what they are having= " beyond=0A> just a healthy baby.=0A> Clear gender is vital.=C2=A0 Many mor= e intersex children=0A> are born than we realize=0A> (or care to admit - ht= tp://www.isna.org/faq/frequency), but parents are=0A> urged to "correct" th= eir childrent at birth.=C2=A0 Then=0A> we've got studies that=0A> illustrat= e how people, once they know the gender of a baby,=0A> handle boys more=0A>= roughly than girls.=C2=A0 Next, everyone is telling boys=0A> not to cry an= d to be a=0A> "big boy" when they exhibit "feminine" expressions like=0A> c= rying or dancing or=0A> appreciating frilly or colorful things.=C2=A0 If he= likes=0A> to paint, he better not=0A> like nail polish.=C2=A0 Girls are em= phatically schooled to=0A> share, care, nurture=0A> their dollies, dress li= ke princesses (learn to be=0A> beautiful), etc.=C2=A0 =0A> =0A> Literature= , including children's verse, begins by upholding=0A> that tradition=0A> of= socializing gender.=C2=A0 Where the Wild Things Are=0A> emphasizes the "bo= y code"=0A> which is one that encourages boys to be adventurous,=0A> disobe= dient (to a limit=0A> - they eventually do come home to eat), independent, = and=0A> above all,=0A> powerful.=C2=A0 You need only Google "the boy code" = to=0A> learn all that this term=0A> entails.=C2=A0 When the boy in the book= finally dominates=0A> the monsters, he learns=0A> that he has this potenti= al to overcome other forms of power=0A> through his own=0A> strength, and s= hould, and he will be able to continue to do=0A> so throughout=0A> his life= .=C2=A0 On the flip side, girls are taught in their=0A> books to be social= =0A> via tea parties, to help each other learn how to ice skate=0A> and oth= er=0A> non-competitive activities, and to just generally be=0A> cooperative= and=0A> interdependent.=C2=A0 I'm not saying grown-up women don't=0A> get = bitter that these=0A> are the roles we've been instructed in anymore than m= en=0A> don't feel confined=0A> by=0A> their roles to always exhibit streng= th.=C2=A0 =0A> =0A> Additionally, both models have much to offer.=C2=A0 We= =0A> develop skills in=0A> competition; we complement each other as a speci= es and help=0A> others to grow=0A> through cooperation.=C2=A0 Of course, al= l of this is a=0A> quick, very generalized=0A> overview. *Moreover*, once w= e've learned these gendered=0A> behaviors, it's very=0A> difficult to take = a step back and ask, "What isn't natural=0A> about the way I=0A> interact w= ith others?=C2=A0 What behaviors and ways of=0A> seeing have I learned?=0A>= How do I communicate and what presumptions do I make based=0A> on how I le= arned=0A> to be a male or female?"=C2=A0 There is immediate, massive=0A> re= sistance to such=0A> examining because to do so A) acknowledges that some o= f=0A> what we think of=0A> ourselves as being "naturally" we were in fact c= onditioned=0A> to and, gulp,=0A> such learning was beyond our control (does= that inherently=0A> imply that we=0A> were duped?)=C2=A0 and B) it's easy = not to consider such=0A> gendering because it is=0A> so very base and insti= nctive for adults.=C2=A0 Childhood=0A> conditioning becomes=0A> "second=0A>= nature."=C2=A0 "It's just the way I am."=C2=A0 Studying=0A> any ideology,= particularly=0A> one's own that is referred to as "reality" is simply=0A> = upsetting.=C2=A0 Especially=0A> when the very question implies the possibil= ity of change.=0A> =0A> And so we get to the original question -- what can = a=0A> feminist poetics offer?=0A> And yes, as noted, anyone can adopt those= masculine and=0A> feminine models.=0A> It's why a select few women can beh= ave as aggressively on=0A> another list=0A> (turf) as the select few men on= this list can:=C2=A0=0A> because we are socialized to=0A> believe these be= haviors are natural, but they are in fact=0A> learned and can be=0A> adopte= d at will.=C2=A0 We fall back into our effortless=0A> roles of communicatin= g as=0A> we were taught growing up -- it's why Reb, in the material=0A> I p= osted, was=0A> excited to raise a boy; she wants to break that tradition=0A= > and raise a man=0A> who does not learn the "boy code" and all that it off= ers=0A> (and restricts). A=0A> feminist poetics also=0A> strives to confou= nd the segregation of those models and=0A> see what happens=0A> when we mix= up "feminine" and "masculine" ways of using=0A> language.=C2=A0 I posted= =0A> a few snippets indicating as much too.=C2=A0 Perhaps they=0A> were los= t in proving=0A> that the lull in list discussion was all my fault... =0A> = =0A> No matter.=C2=A0 The former listserv model only worked for=0A> a selec= t few and=0A> silenced many.=C2=A0 As noted, these were men and women who= =0A> were silenced.=C2=A0 If=0A> current moderation simply means those sele= ct few don't get=0A> to name call and=0A> ad hom everyone into spent exhaus= tion and silence in the=0A> days of yore, then=0A> this will remain a list = of announcements.=C2=A0 But if some=0A> are interested in=0A> figuring out = how we can communicate without resorting to=0A> such tactics, then=0A> the = list just might resuscitate a bit.=C2=A0 A list is only=0A> as good as its= =0A> discussions and participants.=C2=A0 I do think, as earlier=0A> noted, = the lull goes=0A> beyond examining the gendered nature of those former=0A> = discussions; there are=0A> other factors, as others have now noted, that de= tract from=0A> list discussion=0A> such as blogs.=C2=A0 How many have left = this forum to=0A> retreat to their own sites=0A> and others' comments strea= ms?=C2=A0 Do the smaller number=0A> of participants create=0A> a sense of c= ommunity that nearly 2000 cannot?=C2=A0 And=0A> perhaps people=0A> appreci= ate having a low volume listserv that solely=0A> provides announcements?=0A= > Perhaps I am nostalgic for a period of discussion on this=0A> list from s= o very=0A> long ago, one that didn't resort to bashing other=0A> moderators= and the creator=0A> of the list for discussion fodder.=C2=A0 =0A> =0A> Yik= es -- more to say on mixing up the feminine and=0A> masculine modes / model= s=0A> but I'm late for an appointment!=0A> =0A> Be well,=0A> =0A> Amy=0A> = =0A> =0A> _______=0A> =0A> =0A> Amy's Alias=0A> http://amyking.org/=0A> = =0A> =0A> --- On Sun, 5/24/09, you wrote:=0A> =0A> Amy:=0A> =0A> One might = suggest that in this otherwise quiet =0A> time on the list your post could = be the tinder that starts=0A> a flame war.=0A> =0A> The worst I've ever bee= n treated on line has been =0A> by some of the women on WOMPO, who seem to = think =0A> that the rules of civilized behavior don't apply =0A> in relatio= n to men. The vast majority of the =0A> members are a lot more hospitable, = but the verbal =0A> violence of the few appears to drive them into =0A> sil= ence. So much for gender. Human unpleasantness is=0A> equal-opportunity.=0A= > =0A> I'll be away from my computer til Sunday very late.=0A> =0A> Mark=0A= > =0A> =0A> =0A> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A> =0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =0A> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all=0A> posts. Check g= uidelines=0A> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html= =0A> =0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> The Poetics List is moderated &= does not accept all=0A> posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:04:10 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That sounds defeatist but fair, Mark. All in all, it seems the very notion that this list is moderated against flaming and name calling was enough to quell the few. Honestly, I've omitted very few posts during my tenure here and only those that truly were flames/name calling. Even posts that don't seem to contribute to discussion are released. I'm all for passionate arguing, but based how few offer up debate anymore, I'm inclined to think that some versions of "passionate argument" necessitate name calling "warfare", and those few posters ("combatants"?) devoted to the practice gave up. Kind of like Rambo when he came home -- he had no purpose except the one he was rigorously trained for, to fight, so he made war in a small quiet town with the cops to give himself something to do. I guess once they realized such message bombs weren't going to get through, those few figured if they can't include such base tactics, why bother trying anything else. Amy _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ --- On Tue, 5/26/09, you wrote: Back to list behavior. I don't see any solution. I've been on this and other lists for a long time, and I don't remember "a period of discussion on this list from so very long ago, one that didn't resort to bashing other moderators and the creator of the list for discussion fodder." All lists seem to go through periods of warfare, though this more than most. I suspect that it's the demographics--a lot of academics, and a lot of the young. In any event, we're talking about the behavior of very few--active participation on any list I know of seems to be restricted to a very few members, you and I among them. Best, Mark ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:13:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Herbert Cunningham Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: <191351.1585.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Again, Amy, an excellent and well-thought out response. Thank you. John Herbert Cunningham -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On = Behalf Of amy king Sent: May-26-09 10:45 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors Thank you, John. However, I disagree with the notion that a "feminist = poetics" implies a divisiveness based on there being one versus the = other. That would be a "feminine poetics" versus a "masculine poetics." = A feminist poetics is not exclusive to one gender. It's true that = feminism, historically, has sought to make practical strides for women = such as achieving equal pay and fairness in the law. But men have since = become feminists (some call themselves as much too) as they have = benefited from the more complex efforts to change gender roles and = expand the very notion of gender, behaviors, etc. There are now many = men who embrace feminism for what that school of thought has opened up = for everyone, because of and despite gender divisions. And beyond them. = For those reasons, again, practically speaking, there are men today who = are living very different lives than their fathers and grandfathers. = Riskily generalizing again, men are nurturing more now than ever (& not just in the home but in relation to others at work, = with friends, etc), view relationships with their wives / parnters in = much more egalitarian ways than even as recently as the feminine = mystique (despite its remaining vestiges - = http://www.nysun.com/arts/reconsiderations-betty-friedans-the-feminine/86= 003/), stand up to bullying even when its the popular thing to join in = on, and a lot more changes than I can note here. Overall, both genders = are engaging in ways of communicating previously unimagined and are = appreciating and respecting more than ever before. =20 I don't think a feminist poetics is exclusive to women -- at all -- = which is why we are now seeing more men and women (and those beyond the = strict labels of "men" and "women") inquiring into and exploring what a = feminist poetics is attempting and might offer. Of course, my = rudimentary explanation was meant only to illustrate the foundations = from which a feminist poetics was born; it is not -- by a long or short = shot -- an explanation of what a feminist poetics is. I think there is = a "fourth wave" (or whatever period we're entering) that will = surprisingly include more men than ever. I earlier posted excerpts from = just a few of the male poets who are inquiring to illustrate that a = feminist poetics is open to all and is a much more complex field than = even I am aware. Some of those notes I posted reveal that many are just = now beginning to ask, "Who is practicing a feminist poetics and what are = they doing?" -- in that line of inquiry is the idea that there are surely a variety of foci, aims, and achievements to date. By = starting with how have we worked through inequities and how are we = addressing them, as well as conceptual ones, we can trace some practices = as well as note new innovations as they come to light. =20 All in all, a feminist poetics queries just what a "masculine poetics" = does as well as a "feminine poetics" because both sides of the (false = but still taught) dualism have their positives and negatives that we are = trying to sort through -- as you are well aware, I'm sure, the very fact = that the two are separated and then conditioned as behaviors based on = biological gender is a sad condition that need not be. Who gets told to = be aggressive? Who gets applauded for speaking with intimidation? Who = is encouraged to avoid disagreement in favor of affirming others? Who = sacrifices expressing what one knows because modesty is preferred over = "vanity"? What is expected of me on those bases? etc. A feminist = poetics wants to confound those binaries, from what I've seen, and blur = the lines of who gets to practice a masculine poetics vs. a feminine = one. A feminist poetics, in part, wants to conflate the very notions, = reduce some aspects, emphasize others, etc.=20 And of course, all of this remains much more complex than my = explanation, which is why I posed the question to the list, "What can a = feminist poetics offer in relation to the way we communicate, operate = within a listserv community, and beyond?" Personhood, yes! Perhaps we = could create a personhood poetics, but until then, its foundation is in = a feminist poetics from what I can tell ... Best, Amy _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ --- On Tue, 5/26/09, John Herbert Cunningham = wrote: > From: John Herbert Cunningham > Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 9:41 AM > An interesting perspective, Amy, and > one well stated. And you've made an > attempt in your discussion to be inclusive and not point > fingers when you > refer to "bullying, aggression, and intimidation" saying > that this is a > learned response. There is one problem created by your > prose, however, and > that is labelling it a 'feminist poetics'. This label, in > and of itself, > refutes your inclusivity. And please, don't take this as if > I'm faulting > your analysis. It's just that, when you state > "Feminism, more specifically, > a feminist poetics is the school of language work that > strives to lay bare > just how language is gendered *and* seeks to > confound/upset/dismantle the > expectations and mechanisms of those uses. It works > away at the very ways > we communicate.", you have neglected to examine and analyze > this most basic > of terms. Calling something a 'feminist poetics' is almost > guaranteed to > raise the hairs on the backs of nearly half your audience > as a 'feminist > poetics' must be in opposition to a 'masculine poetics', > whatever the hell > that is. Applying a binary Saussurean analysis to this, > 'feminist poetics' > is being privileged to the denigration of anything the male > might > contribute. Which is unfortunate as it is not what you > intended. And I'm not > saying that at one time (hopefully, no longer today) this > rallying cry was > required and necessary in order to get beyond the benign > neglect occasioned > by the at one time dominant male population. Somehow, we > have to get beyond > these gendered terms to a position of personhood. > John Herbert Cunningham >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > On > Behalf Of amy king > Sent: May-26-09 7:40 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics > Contributors >=20 > Mark, >=20 > Exactly. Which is why I brought the larger question > back to "What can a > feminist poetics offer?" =20 >=20 > Going back, I do think the immediate reaction to my Briton > post was > gendered. I doubt very much if James, who originally > posted the note with > no other miscellany on another list received queries > presuming he was > "shocked" and "surprised." There was no indication in > my note that I was > either, and yet. Does David Chirot, who often posts > studies here from the > NYT, receive such backchannel queries? But that was > just one event on this > list that represents a model that is often gendered.=20 > There have been many > other examples here that have devolved into bullying, > aggression, and > intimidation. And this model, like it or not, is > classically dubbed a > masculine one, no matter who executes it. BUT.=20 > That is not to say, and I > think we all know this, that women cannot adopt that > model. =20 >=20 > From childhood, we are each gendered and taught to behave > accordingly. It's > why gender ambiguity is so frowned upon from the > start. We want things to > be clear so that we can fit the packaged > expectations. It's very important > to parents that they know "what they are having" beyond > just a healthy baby. > Clear gender is vital. Many more intersex children > are born than we realize > (or care to admit - http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency), but parents = are > urged to "correct" their childrent at birth. Then > we've got studies that > illustrate how people, once they know the gender of a baby, > handle boys more > roughly than girls. Next, everyone is telling boys > not to cry and to be a > "big boy" when they exhibit "feminine" expressions like > crying or dancing or > appreciating frilly or colorful things. If he likes > to paint, he better not > like nail polish. Girls are emphatically schooled to > share, care, nurture > their dollies, dress like princesses (learn to be > beautiful), etc. =20 >=20 > Literature, including children's verse, begins by upholding > that tradition > of socializing gender. Where the Wild Things Are > emphasizes the "boy code" > which is one that encourages boys to be adventurous, > disobedient (to a limit > - they eventually do come home to eat), independent, and > above all, > powerful. You need only Google "the boy code" to > learn all that this term > entails. When the boy in the book finally dominates > the monsters, he learns > that he has this potential to overcome other forms of power > through his own > strength, and should, and he will be able to continue to do > so throughout > his life. On the flip side, girls are taught in their > books to be social > via tea parties, to help each other learn how to ice skate > and other > non-competitive activities, and to just generally be > cooperative and > interdependent. I'm not saying grown-up women don't > get bitter that these > are the roles we've been instructed in anymore than men > don't feel confined > by > their roles to always exhibit strength. =20 >=20 > Additionally, both models have much to offer. We > develop skills in > competition; we complement each other as a species and help > others to grow > through cooperation. Of course, all of this is a > quick, very generalized > overview. *Moreover*, once we've learned these gendered > behaviors, it's very > difficult to take a step back and ask, "What isn't natural > about the way I > interact with others? What behaviors and ways of > seeing have I learned? > How do I communicate and what presumptions do I make based > on how I learned > to be a male or female?" There is immediate, massive > resistance to such > examining because to do so A) acknowledges that some of > what we think of > ourselves as being "naturally" we were in fact conditioned > to and, gulp, > such learning was beyond our control (does that inherently > imply that we > were duped?) and B) it's easy not to consider such > gendering because it is > so very base and instinctive for adults. Childhood > conditioning becomes > "second > nature." "It's just the way I am." Studying > any ideology, particularly > one's own that is referred to as "reality" is simply > upsetting. Especially > when the very question implies the possibility of change. >=20 > And so we get to the original question -- what can a > feminist poetics offer? > And yes, as noted, anyone can adopt those masculine and > feminine models. > It's why a select few women can behave as aggressively on > another list > (turf) as the select few men on this list can:=20 > because we are socialized to > believe these behaviors are natural, but they are in fact > learned and can be > adopted at will. We fall back into our effortless > roles of communicating as > we were taught growing up -- it's why Reb, in the material > I posted, was > excited to raise a boy; she wants to break that tradition > and raise a man > who does not learn the "boy code" and all that it offers > (and restricts). A > feminist poetics also > strives to confound the segregation of those models and > see what happens > when we mix up "feminine" and "masculine" ways of using > language. I posted > a few snippets indicating as much too. Perhaps they > were lost in proving > that the lull in list discussion was all my fault...=20 >=20 > No matter. The former listserv model only worked for > a select few and > silenced many. As noted, these were men and women who > were silenced. If > current moderation simply means those select few don't get > to name call and > ad hom everyone into spent exhaustion and silence in the > days of yore, then > this will remain a list of announcements. But if some > are interested in > figuring out how we can communicate without resorting to > such tactics, then > the list just might resuscitate a bit. A list is only > as good as its > discussions and participants. I do think, as earlier > noted, the lull goes > beyond examining the gendered nature of those former > discussions; there are > other factors, as others have now noted, that detract from > list discussion > such as blogs. How many have left this forum to > retreat to their own sites > and others' comments streams? Do the smaller number > of participants create > a sense of community that nearly 2000 cannot? And > perhaps people > appreciate having a low volume listserv that solely > provides announcements? > Perhaps I am nostalgic for a period of discussion on this > list from so very > long ago, one that didn't resort to bashing other > moderators and the creator > of the list for discussion fodder. =20 >=20 > Yikes -- more to say on mixing up the feminine and > masculine modes / models > but I'm late for an appointment! >=20 > Be well, >=20 > Amy >=20 > =20 > _______ >=20 >=20 > Amy's Alias > http://amyking.org/ >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 5/24/09, you wrote: >=20 > Amy: >=20 > One might suggest that in this otherwise quiet=20 > time on the list your post could be the tinder that starts > a flame war. >=20 > The worst I've ever been treated on line has been=20 > by some of the women on WOMPO, who seem to think=20 > that the rules of civilized behavior don't apply=20 > in relation to men. The vast majority of the=20 > members are a lot more hospitable, but the verbal=20 > violence of the few appears to drive them into=20 > silence. So much for gender. Human unpleasantness is > equal-opportunity. >=20 > I'll be away from my computer til Sunday very late. >=20 > Mark >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: = http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >=20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:23:45 -0500 Reply-To: junction@earthlink.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You may be right. Although I haven't seen these folks on the barely- or un-moderated poetry listserves that I belong to. I've always been more concerned that so few contribute to the discussions on any list I know of. I kinow a fair number of those on the lists from other contexts, and I know how interesting they are. But this seems to have always been the case, even before blogs etc siphoned some of the discussion away. It never occurred to me, by the way, that you were overcontrolling messages. Best, Mark -----Original Message----- >From: amy king >Sent: May 26, 2009 11:04 AM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors > >That sounds defeatist but fair, Mark. All in all, it seems the very notion that this list is moderated against flaming and name calling was enough to quell the few. Honestly, I've omitted very few posts during my tenure here and only those that truly were flames/name calling. Even posts that don't seem to contribute to discussion are released. I'm all for passionate arguing, but based how few offer up debate anymore, I'm inclined to think that some versions of "passionate argument" necessitate name calling "warfare", and those few posters ("combatants"?) devoted to the practice gave up. Kind of like Rambo when he came home -- he had no purpose except the one he was rigorously trained for, to fight, so he made war in a small quiet town with the cops to give himself something to do. I guess once they realized such message bombs weren't going to get through, those few figured if they can't include such base tactics, why bother trying anything else. > >Amy > >_______ > > >Amy's Alias >http://amyking.org/ > > >--- On Tue, 5/26/09, you wrote: > >Back to list behavior. I don't see any solution. I've been on this and other lists for a long time, and I don't remember "a period of discussion on this list from so very long ago, one that didn't resort to bashing other moderators and the creator of the list for discussion fodder." All lists seem to go through periods of warfare, though this more than most. I suspect that it's the demographics--a lot of academics, and a lot of the young. In any event, we're talking about the behavior of very few--active participation on any list I know of seems to be restricted to a very few members, you and I among them. > >Best, > >Mark > > > > > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:36:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Will Larsen Subject: TODAY: Erasure Poetry Reading Comments: To: creative-writing@lists.uchicago.edu, ugrad-english@lists.uchicago.edu, poetics@lists.uchicago.edu, wrens@lists.uchicago.edu, humevents@lists.uchicago.edu, renaissancesociety@lists.uchicago.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *Today: Erasure Poetry Reading Featuring Chicu Reddy With Eric Elshtain, Stephanie Dering, and Will Larsen *Tuesday, May 26 5:30pm, Rosenwald 405 On the University of Chicago Campus *Reception to follow.* Please join us for this exciting opportunity to hear innovative work by three students and acclaimed poet/UC faculty member Chicu Reddy. Event sponsored by the Renaissance Society, the Committee on Creative Writing, and the Wrens. As always, admission is free and open to the public. If you need assistance in order to participate, contact 773-834-8524. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:11:11 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Guzzardi Subject: Wag's Revue Contest--5 Days MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dearest poets, Wag's Revue, a new online-only literary quarterly, is concluding its inaugural poetry contest this week. The winning poet will receive a $500 prize, as well as publication in Issue 2 (June 21) alongside such poets as K. Silem Mohammad, Kenneth Goldsmith, and others. The submission deadline is May 31. For more information about what and how to submit, please see our contest page. And to read more of the magazine, visit our home page . Thanks very much, Will Guzzardi Poetry Editor, Wag's Revue ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:13:26 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: <306196.1108.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have no interest in wading into this thread, but my feeling is that the 2 post rule did much more to quell interesting, active & spontaneous discussion, than any form of moderation. ~mIEKAL back to lurkhood On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:04 AM, amy king wrote: > That sounds defeatist but fair, Mark. =A0All in all, it seems the very no= tion that this list is moderated against flaming and name calling was enoug= h to quell the few. =A0Honestly, I've omitted very few posts during my tenu= re here and only those that truly were flames/name calling. Even posts that= don't seem to contribute to discussion are released. =A0I'm all for passio= nate arguing, but based how few offer up debate anymore, I'm inclined to th= ink that some versions of "passionate argument" necessitate name calling "w= arfare", and those few posters ("combatants"?) devoted to the practice gave= up. =A0Kind of like Rambo when he came home -- he had no purpose except th= e one he was rigorously trained for, to fight, so he made war in a small qu= iet town with the cops to give himself something to do. =A0I guess once the= y realized such message bombs weren't going to get through, those few figur= ed if they can't include such base tactics, why bother trying anything else= . > > Amy =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:44:28 -0400 Reply-To: junction@earthlink.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm with you. Also the long delay between sending and posting. Both created a feeli9ng like running in molasses. Mark -----Original Message----- >From: mIEKAL aND >Sent: May 26, 2009 1:13 PM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors > >I have no interest in wading into this thread, but my feeling is that >the 2 post rule did much more to quell interesting, active & >spontaneous discussion, than any form of moderation. > >~mIEKAL > >back to lurkhood > >On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:04 AM, amy king wrote: >> That sounds defeatist but fair, Mark. All in all, it seems the very notion that this list is moderated against flaming and name calling was enough to quell the few. Honestly, I've omitted very few posts during my tenure here and only those that truly were flames/name calling. Even posts that don't seem to contribute to discussion are released. I'm all for passionate arguing, but based how few offer up debate anymore, I'm inclined to think that some versions of "passionate argument" necessitate name calling "warfare", and those few posters ("combatants"?) devoted to the practice gave up. Kind of like Rambo when he came home -- he had no purpose except the one he was rigorously trained for, to fight, so he made war in a small quiet town with the cops to give himself something to do. I guess once they realized such message bombs weren't going to get through, those few figured if they can't include such base tactics, why bother trying anything else. >> >> Amy > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:51:26 -0400 Reply-To: Adam Tobin Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Tobin Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The poetic on this list that I find the most troubling is that every time an energetic discussion gets started, it quickly devolves into a binary argument -- because one person (often the person who started the discussion in the first place) hits REPLY to EVERY SINGLE MESSAGE that appears in the thread. This creates, at its very best, a two-way argument: PRO- vs. ANTI-, or the polemicist against the world, or the center against the margins, or the one against the many, or etc., and turns the remainder of the 2000 people on the list into mere cheerleaders who can only pick sides in the argument and not contribute any of their own thinking to the discussion. I imagine that most of the thousands here are casual users like myself, who don't care very much about the brand name of The List, and are here because they like to think about poetics ("I don't 'like' the poetics list, but I read it anyway," is a sentiment I've often heard). We don't read it every day, and certainly not the several times per hour that would allow us to argue here with anyone intent on shouting us down. If you few frequent posters really want us many to contribute, I'd recommend you restrain yourselves from posting overmuch in the same thread, and post your posts in a more open form which invites participation and discussion rather than argument. I think Amy is right to call such a form "feminist", but I wonder whether quasi-academic expository-prose essays are ever a vital embodiment of a feminist poetics. I, for one, would love to see more posts like Alan's more "poetic" essays, preferably a constellation of such posts and posters that they actually respond to and discuss with one another, however obliquely. I understand that you may not want to open the floodgates to a zillion nostalgic-for-profession amateurs, posting our doggerel and asking "SO WHADDYA GUYS THINK OF MY POOEMS?", but I think that framing a discussion of poetics with the rules of something like "literary influence" rather than those of "undergraduate seminar" or "presidential debate" would be very helpful. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:04:46 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Comments: RFC822 error: Invalid RFC822 field - "friends of Crawlspace!". Rest of header flushed. From: CE Putnam Subject: Crawlspace Event: Daniel Comiskey & C.E. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:20:45 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nicholas Karavatos Subject: mp3 [RE: Poet/Musician Collaboration Webcast Sunday Night] In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 =20 The show is archived at http://mra.yoursavinggrace.net/MRA090510.mp3 Nicholas Karavatos Dept of English American University of Sharjah PO Box 26666 Sharjah United Arab Emirates http://nicholaskaravatos.blogspot.com/ ---------------------------------------- > Date: Fri=2C 8 May 2009 19:08:55 +0000 > From: nicholaskaravatos@HOTMAIL.COM > Subject: Poet/Musican Collaboration Webcast Sunday Night > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Poet Nicholas Karavatos with guitarist Jeff Kelley - Webcast on KHSU-FM o= n Sunday Night > > LISTEN LIVE in CALIFORNIA on Sunday=2C May 10 at 10:05 PM > KHSU 90.5 FM Arcata=2C 91.9 FM Crescent City-Brookings=2C 89.1 Ferndale-F= ortuna=2C 89.7 Garberville=2C and 99.7 Willow Creek. > Live Streaming at http://www.khsu.org/ > > LISTEN LIVE in DUBAI on Monday=2C May 11 at 9:05 AM - Live Streaming at h= ttp://www.khsu.org/ > > > While in California to perform at Accident Gallery in Eureka last January= =2C Nick & Jeff spent an afternoon at KHSU studios at Humboldt State Univer= sity. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:31:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: <23A1F5B77CAD4FCAB388F17EAD44CFDC@JANUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i'm familiar with usenet. it's been around since 1980. some email clients such as outlook express can process usenet. it's a little off the beaten track, isn't it. and it seems to have a spam problem. i suppose those are the unmoderated lists. why isn't it more popular for poetics-like types of forums? probably because it requires a very slightly higher tech level. and usenet is not supported by all email clients. also, i'm thinking of something that would require almost no moderation. is there something like a w3c for email clients? so that cross-platform apps for email clients can be developed. why not, if no? email is one of the 'killer apps' yet email clients still aren't all that great. ja http://vispo.com > From: "J. Michael Mollohan > The alternative which you seek is called usenet. A usenet newsgroup may > be moderated or not, preferably moderated, considering the trolls that > lurk there. One may then create a killfile for your newsreader in which > to dump undesired posters. Usenet is thriving with well over 100,000 > groups, some of them quite active. Connected newsgroups could be set up > as well, including binary groups where graphics and sound and short videos > could be posted. You could have something like > alt.poeticslist.discussion.moderated along with alt.poeticslist.poems and > alt.poeticslist.binaries and this could possibly lead to a more robust use > of the notion. > > HTH ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:28:21 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: answering question from mark weiss &what i wrote abt the way amy posted the original link and "fear of Poetry" that intersted me MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit trying to scan through the one incredibly long post which has been added on to by many persons-- i noticed that mark Weiss had a question or remark wondering what i might hear back channel from posting just an article name here and the link once in a while i may post a couple comments but on the whole i like it better (as you will see below) when the link is there and one may read it without another's voice thrumping in the head and so be bale to have a conversation rather than a reaction with the persons interested in the link, new story likewise i like it when people do as Amy did--do the same thing and just post the note as you will see below that way without having each other blasting boomboxes in other's the mind, one reads more attentively and is able to have a better conversation- (a big problem on line is misreading--people read way too fast i think and just leap like panthers onto a few key words like in a speed reading class-and so get the actual letter/post al mixed up and are made as hell and not going to take it anymore about something that is not there in the original, but which has been projected into those empty spaces between the keywords in which one assumes it is saying what one is sure as certain is that THEY KNOW just what so and so will say--what i say included of course-i think often persons project their image or idea of a person on to the persons and so dont pay much attention to what they actually say -) i can't recall having any negative feedback regarding these from anyone once in while on the list itself someone wil be angry but often it is due to misreading i actually get a very great deal of mailbackchannel from women in a wide variety of countries and societies, cultures-- actually when think of it i get quite abit more mail from women than men--and often it is about al ink without the message--so one can think for oneself-or artworks seen and so forth-and write lot back and forth-even though sometimes neither one of us may know the other's language al that well-sometimes just use a third language we both do know or--if you want to converse you will for sure since a child i haven't been intersted in arguments but very much ore in conversations--usually arguing is done to show off smart one is and flex the mind-muscles and show off and try to beat the other person down into the ditches of humiliation often if you listen to an argument it is not based on anything more than oft times mutual dislike and not a real argumentative point- and also al otof the time neither one listens to the others and on top of it very often it is absurd as al too often neither one knows as much about the subject as each one thinks they do so that's why i don't put things out there with any of my nonsense attached or as litle as possible stiiaight? straight up! below you can see whati wrote re the events here --and links etc-- http://davidbaptistechirot.blogspot.com/2009/05/fear-of-poetrypoetry-of-fear.html below some opening images, this is exactly how my post appears re Fear of Poetry/Poetry of Fear and Poetry for Fear the piece there is slightly revised and typo corrected from what appeared on this list and is accompanied by a great many illustrations from a wide variety of sources inc some of my Visual Poetry -- there wil be Part Two re reviewing of poetry (and why al the reviews seem to be puff pieces)-- as the issue was raised and discussed by Kent Johnson and a distinguished gathering of poets-in mAYDAY. http://maydaymagazine.com/ (note: this is a response to a message on the buffalo poetics list from Amy King re a poll taken in the UK I thank Amy for sending this as i found it thought provoking in many ways. The original message is as here-- Britons are baffled by poetry, with many saying they live in fear of being asked to recite a poem in public, research has found. Seven in 10 (73%) are "scared" by the genre, according to a poll of 1,500 adults, while two thirds (67%) admit reading and reciting poetry leave them tongue-tied. more... http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5inb086GokHGwHM5CYXZ0-XLJpYxw there were no comments, simply this note. Personally I like finding such things as some provocative facts placed out their in the winds to see what may be some responses re what I took to be the issue of "fear of poetry/poetry of fear." For reasons beyond me the note apparently provoked many attacks, from what i can glean of the matter, y it's being sent by a woman. Fortunately the attacks led to a very good discussion of Feminism, Feminist Writing, and Feminist Writing blogs. Here is a link to an excellent blog and its description and address as posted by Amy King where many of the responses re the Feminist and Feminist writing issues appeared he women of Delirous Hem [http://www.delirioushem.blogspot.com/] have recently been discussing the dynamics of such exchange as well as how men and women are actually advancing a feminist poetics. This line of inquiry has even led a few to wonder aloud (via their blogs) just what a feminist poetics is and how to promote it. Even a few men aren't afraid of the notion that we need new models of exchange, which is a poetics too. Feminist modes of thinking and operating may not, after all, be for women only. I don't have the answers, but feminist imaginings may actually provide models by which we can jump start a listserv that seems to have grown quiet in exchange, even by initially asking, Just what can feminist thinking make us aware of and what models for discussion might we use? What is a feminist poetics, exactly? What are the aims of feminist-minded poets? ... Some excerpts from the Delirous Hem responses "FEAR OF POETRY"---POETRY OF FEAR---POETRY FOR FEAR ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:00:49 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: UbuWeb Subject: Electronic Music and Films from the Middle Eastern Avant-Garde (1959-2001) Comments: To: andrew@anthologyfilmarchives.org, anne@thewire.co.uk, AudioFix@egroups.com, bluesea@dragcity.com, charles.bernstein@english.upenn.edu, dk@exactchange.com, editor@thewire.co.uk, francismckee@glype.demon.co.uk, ischaff@pobox.upenn.edu, lina@electra-productions.com, lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com, mcoffey@reedbusiness.com, mperloff@earthlink.net, mscharf@reedbusiness.com, silence@Virginia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii __ U B U W E B __ http://ubu.com In collaboration with Bidoun Magazine, UbuWeb is pleased to bring you the first installment of a trove of rarely heard and seen Middle Eastern culture. We begin by featuring six historic electronic musicians and sound poets: Dariush Dolat-Shahi "Electronic music, Tar and Setar" (1985) and "Otashgah" (1986) http://ubu.com/sound/dolat-shahi.html Halim El-Dabh "Leiyla Visitations" (1959) http://ubu.com/sound/dabh.html Forough Farrokhzad "Radio Tehran Sessions" (1962-1964) http://ubu.com/sound/farrokhzad.html Ali Reza Mashayekhi "Electronic Music" (1970-2001) http://ubu.com/sound/mashayekhi.html Bijan Mofid "Shahreh Ghesseh" (1967) http://ubu.com/sound/mofid.html Ilhan Mimaroglu "Electronic Music" (1964-1983) http://ubu.com/sound/mimaroglu.html We are also pleased to present three films: Forough Farrokhzad's "The House is Black / Khaneh Siyah Ast" (1962) http://ubu.com/film/farrokhzad_house.html Albert Lamorisse's "Baadeh Sabah / The Lovers' Wind / Vent Des Amoureux" (1970/1978) http://ubu.com/film/lamorisse.html Ali Akbar Sadeghi's "Malek Khorshid" (1975) http://ubu.com/film/sadeghi_malek.html Keep checking back for future installments: there's much more to come. --- Bidoun Magazine - Art & Culture from the Middle East http://www.bidoun.com/ Bidoun on UbuWEb: http://ubu.com/sound/bidoun.html -- UBUWEB IS ENTIRELY FREE __ U B U W E B __ http://ubu.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:32:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: Breaking News: Prop 8 decision In-Reply-To: <25085348.1243369059365.JavaMail.www@app22> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Anthony D. Romero, ACLU Date: Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:53 AM Subject: Breaking News: Prop 8 decision To: david.chirot@gmail.com [image: Because Freedom Can't Protect Itself] Dear ACLU Supporter, Today, personal freedom took a big hit in California. In a 6-to-1 decision, the California Supreme Court ruled against us in our case to overturn Proposition 8. Marriages of same-sex couples will continue to be banned in California. This is deeply disappointing, especially in light of the recent Iowa Suprem= e Court ruling saying that it is unconstitutional to keep gay couples from marrying -- and the passage of laws opening marriage to everyone by the Vermont and Maine legislatures. Public support for marriage for same-sex couples is gaining ground, but California is being left behind. Matt Coles, the director of the ACLU's LGBT project, recorded a personal message about California's decision, what it means for people=92s lives and its impact on the freedoms of all Americans. *Please take a minute to watch this video and share it with your friends an= d family: * [image: Watch Now] This decision legitimizes discrimination and allows the government to intrude on our most intimate commitments. You can be sure the ACLU will continue to work for fairness for gay couples and families. But this case goes beyond the LGBT community. It is also about the government imposing one group=92s idea of morality on everyone else. And wh= en that happens, you can be sure the ACLU will be there. Listen to what Matt has to say about the Prop 8 decision and the important work the ACLU is doing to protect the personal freedoms of all Americans. Those opposed to same-sex marriage are on the wrong end of history. And, with your help, the ACLU will wage and win this battle for equality no matter how long it takes. Sincerely, [image: Anthony D. Romero] Anthony D. Romero Executive Director American Civil Liberties Union [image: take action] [image: take action] =A9 ACLU, 125 Broad Street, 18th Floor, New York, NY 10004 Unsubscribe from receiving email, or change your email preferences. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:04:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: Jeff Harrison reviews two books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _______________ Jeff Harrison, in the on-line journal GALATEA RESURRECTS, Issue Number 12, has a review of / interaction with / the book "Incongruities" by S=E9amas Cain, which, in turn, interconnects with Jeff Harrison's review of / interaction with / the book "Nosering Cellphone" by Lanny Quarles ... http://galatearesurrection12.blogspot.com/2009/05/incongruities-by-seamas-c= ain.html http://galatearesurrection12.blogspot.com/2009/05/nosering-cellphone-by-lan= ny-quarles.html Jeff Harrison's twin reviews, in and of themselves, in their own right, are poems ... the "review" itself conceived as a work of art! Best regards, S=E9amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com http://www.mnartists.org/Seamas_Cain _______________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:36:00 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tim Peterson Subject: SEGUE 5/30: Szymaszek & Durgin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *The Segue Series Presents* * Stacy Szymaszek & Patrick Durgin* Saturday, May 30, 2009 ** 4PM SHARP** Bowery Poetry Club, 308 Bowery, NYC $6 admission hosted by Kristen Gallagher & Tim Peterson *Stacy Szymaszek *is the author of Emptied of All Ships (Litmus Press, 2005). Recent chapbooks include Orizaba: A Voyage with Hart Crane (Faux Chaps, 2008) and from Hyperglossia (Hot Whiskey, 2008). Hyperglossia, the complete poem, is forthcoming from Litmus Press in early 2009. * Patrick Durgin* has collaborated with Jen Hofer since 1998 to produce The Route (Atelos, 2008). On his own, Durgin has published Imitation Poems (Atticus/Finch, 2007) and Color Music (Cuneiform Press, 2002). ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:10:07 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: aaron tieger Subject: SECRET DONUT by Aaron Tieger Comments: To: acezeroacezero@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Friends, I'm very happy to announce the publication of my first full-length book. SECRET DONUT was written between 2004-2006, the same time frame as most of my other chapbooks. The book contains four longish sequences, including some "translations" of 20th century French poets) and a handful of loose poems. I'm also very pleased that Pressed Wafer is issuing the book. I have long admired their work (they also published my second chapbook, DAYS AND DAYS) and this one is absolutely gorgeous. I hope you'll check the book out. At the URL below you'll find ordering information, an image of the cover, and a sample poem. http://pressed-wafer.blogspot.com Thanks very much. Be well, Aaron "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate." (Brian Eno) "Without people you're nothing" (Joe Strummer) ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:42:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Tammy CFW Comments: To: Theory and Writing , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We're reading for Issue 2 for another couple of weeks; please pass along our address: http://tammyjournal.wordpress.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:51:57 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alexander Jorgensen Subject: Van Gogh's Ear 6 is out! - Forgive the "Toot!" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And I am proud to appear in this issue with so many of today's most talente= d folks! =C2=A0 Alexander Jorgensen =C2=A0 --- =C2=A0 STUNNING COLLECTION OF CONTEMPORARY LOVE POETRY BY SOME OF TODAY=E2=80=99S = MOST CUTTING-EDGE ARTISTS From the earliest records in the Western tradition of poetry, throughout th= e classical period and during the Middle Ages, spanning the Renaissance, th= e Enlightenment and beyond, romantic love has been the obsessive object of = poetic attentions. However, modern and postmodern poets tend to avoid writi= ng about love, focusing instead on political, social and theoretical terrai= ns. When Dawn-Michelle Baude took on the job of guest-editing the sixth edition= of the internationally acclaimed poetry anthology Van Gogh's Ear, she deli= berately chose love as her theme in order to challenge this modern poetic s= ystem in which the vocabularies for alienation and violence have outstrippe= d those of attachment and affection. More than seventy cutting edge poets, writers and visual artists from aroun= d the globe have answered Dawn-Michelle Baude's call for poems and prose pi= eces about love. Complementing the poetry and prose are the stunning images= selected by Arts Editor Anne-Shelton Aaron whose twenty-five years of expe= rience as a contemporary art connoisseur have leant incredible visual depth= to this edition of Van Gogh=E2=80=99s Ear. Van Goghs Ear 6: The Love Edition takes the throbbing pulse of love now, in= 2009, in countries around the world. Sexual, romantic, altruistic, fetishi= stic, Platonic, political, happenstance and all the rest - the poems and pr= ose in this edition are vital, and, in abrupt contrast to the foundational = irony of postmodernism, even sincere. The writers=E2=80=99 engagement with = the topics ranges from the subtle to the overt, the off-hand to the engaged= , just like in life. http://www.frenchcx.com/press/ =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 05:01:23 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sharon Dolin Subject: Poetry Reading next Wednesday Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Greetings from Spain! I=92ll be hosting a poetry reading next Wednesday, June 3rd at 6:30 pm =20= @ The Center for Book Arts: Patricia Smith and Matthew Hittinger will =20= read. I hope you can join me. Matthew Hittinger is the author of Pear Slip, winner of the Spire =20 Press 2006 Chapbook Award, Narcissus Resists (GOSS 183, 2009) and =20 Platos de Sal (Editor's Series #2, Seven Kitchens Press, 2009). Patricia Smith is the author of five books of poetry: Blood Dazzler =20 (Coffee House), finalist for the 2008 National Book Award; Teahouse =20 of the Almighty (Coffee House), a 2005 National Poetry Series =20 selection; Close to Death (Zoland); Big Towns, Big Talk (Zoland) and =20 Life According to Motown (Tia Chucha). She has won a Pushcart and the =20= Hurston/Wright Legacy Award. Smith is an assistant professor of =20 creative writing at the City University of NY and teaches in the =20 Stonecoast MFA program. The Center for Book Arts 28 West 27th Street, Third Floor Between Broadway and Sixth Avenue Subway: N, R, W to 28th Street; F, V to 23rd Street; 1 to 28th Street Suggested Admission: $10/$5 members Sharon Dolin sdolin@earthlink.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 04:41:20 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Vargas Llosa detained at Venezuelan airport MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii he's not a marxist. by latin american standards, he's to the right. by whimpy american standards, he's an average, arm chair liberal. --- On Tue, 5/26/09, George Bowering wrote: > From: George Bowering > Subject: Re: Vargas Llosa detained at Venezuelan airport > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 3:20 AM > Turn to the right? > He has always been on the right. > > > gb > > > On May 25, 2009, at 4:49 PM, David Chirot wrote: > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090525/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_venezuela_vargas_llosa > > > > CARACAS, Venezuela - Peruvian writer and journalist > Alvaro Vargas Llosa says > > Venezuelan authorities detained him for about two > hours after he arrived in > > Venezuela for an upcoming pro-democracy forum. > > > > NOTE: Vargas Lhosa's Turn to the Right has made him > something of a Persona > > Non Grata in many Latin American countries- > > > > this attitude towards Sr. Lhosa appears in one of > Robert Bolano's stories, > > for example-- > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept > all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > G. Harry Bowering > Merchant of Mirth > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:22:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Richard Jeffrey Newman Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: <299582.98401.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes On May 26, 2009, at 8:40 AM, amy king wrote: > Which is why I brought the larger question back to "What can a > feminist poetics offer?" I have been reading through this thread and wishing I had the time to contribute more than the quick response that this message is going to be. The question of a feminist poetics, what it is/might be, how men do/can/should/shouldn't/can't relate to it, adopt it, adapt to it, find ourselves in it, etc. and so on has been central to my writing for as long as I have considered myself a poet, and it goes back to the fact that it was feminism, specifically my reading of Adrienne Rich's essays when I was in my early 20s, that gave me a vocabulary-- and therefore a voice--to talk about, to speak my truth of, my experience of having been sexually abused as a boy. There is a great deal to unpack in that statement, I know, part of it autobiographical and part of it not, but, as I said, I don't really have the time to do so right now. What I will say here is that one of the things I found in feminism--and the connection to my being a survivor of sexual abuse will be obvious--is a poetics of the body that has been indispensable to me as a man trying to figure out who I am in this world and as a poet (and those two are obviously not unrelated). More than in any other framing of the world/way of reading/agenda for change (to the degree that feminism as some sort of abstract notion can be said to be or have one agenda; there are, after all, many feminisms), I find in feminism a willingness, an eagerness, to embrace the notion of the body, the material body, the skin in which we all walk around, and the integrity of the body, as fundamental to ideas of justice (and this is quite different from the patriarchal ideology of biology as destiny). And so--I am sort of leaping here--one of the questions that has occurred to me as I have been reading through this thread is what, precisely, do we--or, more precisely, does our language, since language is all we have on a list--embody when we post here; and that makes me think of an essay that I read a long time ago in, I think, The Georgia Review by a woman whose name I cannot remember, but whose point (and I am paraphrasing a memory here) was that the kind of writing that gets taught in academia--argumentative, persuasive, scholarly--takes as its underlying metaphor the notion of battle, the idea that the point of engaging in scholarly discussion is to have your argument come out on top; and that makes me think of a book called Metaphors We Live By, by George Lakoff and Mark Johnson, in which they show that it's not just academic discourse that we think of metaphorically as war, but that, in US culture anyway, we conceive of argument in general as a kind of battle. Just think of the expressions we use: arguments are lost or won; they are destroyed, honed, advanced, withdrawn; we strategize our arguments, look for weaknesses, loopholes in the arguments of our opponents; we concede some points to gain others and, hopefully, by losing the battle, enable ourselves to win the war; and the list could go on. Certainly what I have just written describes my experience of discussion, and it's not that I shy away from strong debate or intellectual confrontation; or that I think everyone is "right" in some easy relativistic sort of way...well, way of illustrating how deeply embedded this metaphor is in the way we see the world, Lakoff and Johnson suggest a thought experiment: try to imagine argument not as a contest with a winner and a loser, but as a dance, where the object is for the end result to be beautiful, where the point is to build that beautiful thing. We all know that there is tension in making art, that some ideas work better than others, that some parts need to be discarded in the interest of the whole, that one of the beauties of a work of art is that it can hold opposing points of view in some kind of resolution, even though that resolution may not necessarily be in the work itself, but in the experience of the artist and/or audience. In this metaphor for argument, there is no opponent to defeat--and I apologize for writing quickly and perhaps carelessly or too telegraphically--and so it seems to me that one way of thinking about what a feminist poetics has to offer, one way of beginning to perform a feminist poetics, is to engage in this kind of what I will call "deep" reimagining; if we don't like the way arguments/discussions have been conducted on this list, and if the way they are conducted has to do with the results the participants expect (in this case, winning and losing); and if the results the participants expect have to do with metaphor(s) through which we imagine and experience argument/discussion; then maybe if we start to talk concretely about what other kinds of results we might want--and I don't know if "a dance of ideas," for example, is the way to go, but it's a beginning-- we might start to get the kind of change that Amy has been saying we need to be looking for. And now it's back to my regularly scheduled writing tasks. Richard ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:50:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "J.P. Craig" Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: <160CE4D01C4C4F2CA89C83E8A9B9DE1C@OwnerPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The biggest problem with usenet is that it (almost always) has to be locally cached by your ISP. Fewer and fewer ISPs are willing to devote the bandwidth and storage space to caching the huge, huge, HUGE volume of usenet, especially if their users clamor for the inclusion of binaries groups. Sadly, usenet is a doddering old dinosaur about to expire, as wonderful as it was back in the days of Gopher and the like. There are alternatives like Deja News, but Google, who owns it, could pull the plug at any moment, and there goes your party. And most new use of usenet has been from spammers. The better option might be a system like Slashdot's karma and mod- points system. That community is extremely contentious, yet their system allows posts to be hidden and/or promoted based on a user- based moderation system in which users with good karma are periodically given moderation points which they can spend to mod a post up or down, into greater or lesser visibility, depending on how an individual reader's preferences are set. Readers can effectively set their own level of tolerance, while a small, frequently-changing subset of users marked as responsible set the standards. Digg uses a similar but less complicated and less effective (more easily gamed) system of moderation. Anyway, that's my geeky two cents, as a former moderator of in an old unix-based BBS discussion system. JP On May 26, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Jim Andrews wrote: > i'm familiar with usenet. it's been around since 1980. some email > clients such as outlook express can process usenet. > > it's a little off the beaten track, isn't it. and it seems to have > a spam problem. i suppose those are the unmoderated lists. > > why isn't it more popular for poetics-like types of forums? > > probably because it requires a very slightly higher tech level. and > usenet is not supported by all email clients. > > also, i'm thinking of something that would require almost no > moderation. > > is there something like a w3c for email clients? so that cross- > platform apps for email clients can be developed. why not, if no? > email is one of the 'killer apps' yet email clients still aren't > all that great. > > ja > http://vispo.com > >> From: "J. Michael Mollohan >> The alternative which you seek is called usenet. A usenet >> newsgroup may be moderated or not, preferably moderated, >> considering the trolls that lurk there. One may then create a >> killfile for your newsreader in which to dump undesired posters. >> Usenet is thriving with well over 100,000 groups, some of them >> quite active. Connected newsgroups could be set up as well, >> including binary groups where graphics and sound and short videos >> could be posted. You could have something like >> alt.poeticslist.discussion.moderated along with >> alt.poeticslist.poems and alt.poeticslist.binaries and this could >> possibly lead to a more robust use of the notion. >> >> HTH > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html JP Craig http://jpcraig.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:25:57 -0400 Reply-To: junction@earthlink.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard: All this is very nice (way too nice), but it elides the difference between discussion, which is a dance of sorts, and argument. Here's a thought experiment: try to imagine the dance of a schoolboard divided between secularists and fundamentalists deciding whether to have creationism or evolution taught in its schools. Not all argument is about the ego of the arguers. Often it's a matter of unbridgeable disagreement about passionately-held positions that do matter. Maybe another way of thinking about this is sports, which also depends upon metaphors of combat. From the perspective of a god a baseball game is dynamic geometry arrived at through the cooperation of eighteen people, a beautiful, complex thing. On the field it's akin to warfare, with a winner and a loser. Dancing and sports can each be pleasurable--we wouldn't engage in them otherwise--and the one doesn't need to supercede the other. Both become tiresome if all that's at stake is the ego of the participants. That's I think the kind of argument being objected to here. Back to metaphor. Context is all. We routinely hope that "our" team slaughters the opposition. Nobody anywhere takes that literally (well, maybe the Maya did), football riots notwithstanding. So where's the problem? It seems to me that there's a kind of puritanism at work that says certain metaphors are to be eliminated, certain codes of language are simply beyond the pale. How little good that does is apparent in the CIA's constant invention of nonviolent metaphors for torture. Changing the language doesn't aleviate the victim's suffering. Best, Mark >And so--I am sort of leaping here--one of the questions that has >occurred to me as I have been reading through this thread is what, >precisely, do we--or, more precisely, does our language, since >language is all we have on a list--embody when we post here; and that >makes me think of an essay that I read a long time ago in, I think, >The Georgia Review by a woman whose name I cannot remember, but whose >point (and I am paraphrasing a memory here) was that the kind of >writing that gets taught in academia--argumentative, persuasive, >scholarly--takes as its underlying metaphor the notion of battle, the >idea that the point of engaging in scholarly discussion is to have >your argument come out on top; and that makes me think of a book >called Metaphors We Live By, by George Lakoff and Mark Johnson, in >which they show that it's not just academic discourse that we think of >metaphorically as war, but that, in US culture anyway, we conceive of >argument in general as a kind of battle. Just think of the expressions >we use: arguments are lost or won; they are destroyed, honed, >advanced, withdrawn; we strategize our arguments, look for weaknesses, >loopholes in the arguments of our opponents; we concede some points to >gain others and, hopefully, by losing the battle, enable ourselves to >win the war; and the list could go on. > >Certainly what I have just written describes my experience of >discussion, and it's not that I shy away from strong debate or >intellectual confrontation; or that I think everyone is "right" in >some easy relativistic sort of way...well, way of illustrating how >deeply embedded this metaphor is in the way we see the world, Lakoff >and Johnson suggest a thought experiment: try to imagine argument not >as a contest with a winner and a loser, but as a dance, where the >object is for the end result to be beautiful, where the point is to >build that beautiful thing. We all know that there is tension in >making art, that some ideas work better than others, that some parts >need to be discarded in the interest of the whole, that one of the >beauties of a work of art is that it can hold opposing points of view >in some kind of resolution, even though that resolution may not >necessarily be in the work itself, but in the experience of the artist >and/or audience. > >In this metaphor for argument, there is no opponent to defeat--and I >apologize for writing quickly and perhaps carelessly or too >telegraphically--and so it seems to me that one way of thinking about >what a feminist poetics has to offer, one way of beginning to perform >a feminist poetics, is to engage in this kind of what I will call >"deep" reimagining; if we don't like the way arguments/discussions >have been conducted on this list, and if the way they are conducted >has to do with the results the participants expect (in this case, >winning and losing); and if the results the participants expect have >to do with metaphor(s) through which we imagine and experience >argument/discussion; then maybe if we start to talk concretely about >what other kinds of results we might want--and I don't know if "a >dance of ideas," for example, is the way to go, but it's a beginning-- >we might start to get the kind of change that Amy has been saying we >need to be looking for. > >And now it's back to my regularly scheduled writing tasks. > >Richard > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:16:40 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Tomorrow -- Our Final Event @ Stain Bar! Goodbye... Comments: To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable May 29th @ 7 p.m. – Stain Bar – Williamsburg, B= =0A=0A=0A=0AMay 29th @ 7 p.m. =E2=80=93 Stain Bar =E2=80=93 Williamsburg, B= rooklyn =0A=0Aour=0Alast event at Stain Bar =E2=80=93 the bar is closing! come for = the sendoff! =0A=0A***C. S. Carrier, Jennifer=0AFirestone, Erica Kaufman, Matthew Klane,= =0A=0AMaya Pindyck, Laura Sims***=0A=0A ~~~~ =0A=0AC. S. Carrier was born in Dayton,=0AOH and grew up in=0Awestern North= Carolina.=0AHis book, After Dayton, was published in 2008 by Four Way Book= s. He is=0Aalso author of The 16s (Katalanche Press, 2007) and=0ALyric (hor= se less press, 2007). He adjuncts at the University of Hartford=0Aand lives= in Sunderland, MA with a Chihuahua=0Anamed Merwin. =0A=0A~~~ =0A=0AJennifer Firestone=0Ais the co-editor of Letters To Poets: Conversati= ons About Poetics,=0APolitics, and Community (Saturnalia Books). She is the= author of Holiday (Shearsman Books), Waves=0A(Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs= ), From Flashes and snapshot (Sona=0ABooks). Her work has appeared in HOW2,= LUNGFULL!, Xcp: Streetnotes,,=0AFourteen Hills, Dusie, 580 Split,=0ASaint = Elizabeth Street=0Aand others. She is an Assistant Professor teaching poetr= y at Eugene Lang College at The New School for Liberal Arts, and lives=0Ain= Brooklyn with her husband and their baby=0Atwins. =0A=0A~~~ =0A=0Aerica kaufman is the=0Aauthor of several chapbooks, most recently cen= sory impulse (an excerpt=0Aof her long poem of the same title) (OMG, March = 2008), civilization day=0A(Open24Hours, Winter 2007) and censory impulse (a= n excerpt of her long=0Apoem of the same title) (Big Game Books, Fall 2007)= . kaufman holds an MFA from=0Athe New School and was the winner of the 2003= =0ANew School University Chapbook Contest. kaufman is currently a Ph.D. can= didate=0Aat the CUNY Graduate Center.=0Ashe lives in Brooklyn and works in = Manhattan and=0Ateaches at Baruch=0A College. =0A=0A~~~ =0A=0AMatthew Klane is=0Afounder and editor of Flim Forum Press. His new bo= ok is B_____ Meditations=0A(Stockport Flats Press) and his chapbooks includ= e The- Associated Press,=0ASorrow Songs, Friend Delighting the Eloquent, an= d The Meister-Reich Experiments (online at www.housepress.org).=0AOther wor= k can be found in Plantarchy, string of small machines, and=0Aonline at Oto= liths and Word for/=0AWord.=0AHe currently lives and writes in Albany,=0A N= Y. For more: www.matthewklane.blogspot.com. =0A=0A~~~ =0A=0AMaya Pindyck is a=0Apoet and visual artist living and working in Broo= klyn.=0AHer poems have appeared in Sycamore Review, Mississippi=0AReview, B= ellingham=0AReview, and other journals. She is the author of Locket, Master= ,=0Awhich won a Poetry Society of America Chapbook Fellowship in 2006, sele= cted by=0APaul Muldoon. Her forthcoming first collection of poems, Friend A= mong=0AStones, won the Many Voices Project Award and will be published by N= ew=0ARivers Press. In 2005, she co-founded Project Voice, an evolving compi= lation of=0Aabortion stories which aims to deflate the abortion stigma. May= a holds a B.A.=0Ain philosophy and studio art from Connecticut=0ACollege, a= n M.F.A. in poetry from Sarah Lawrence=0A College and an M.A. in education= =0Athrough the New York City Teaching Fellows program. She currently teache= s at a=0Apublic high school in Brownsville. =0A=0A~~~ =0A=0ALaura Sims is the=0Aauthor of two books of poems: Practice, Restraint= , winner of the 2005=0AFence Books Alberta Prize, and Stranger, forthcoming= from Fence Books=0Ain April of 2009. Her book reviews and essays have appe= ared in Boston=0AReview, New England Review, Rain Taxi, and The Review of C= ontemporary=0AFiction, and she has recently published poems in the journals= Denver Quarterly, Colorado Review, CAB/NET, and Crayon.=0AShe lives in Bro= oklyn, New=0A York, and teaches writing at Baruch=0ACollege in Manhattan. =0A=0A~~~ =0A=0Astain =0A766 grand street =0Abrooklyn, ny 11211 =0A(L train to Grand Street, =0A1 block west) =0A718/387-7840 =0Aopen daily @ 5 p.m. =0A=0A~~~~Please join us for the last hurrah @ 7 PM sharp! =0A=0AHosted by Amy King and Ana Bo=C5=BEi=C4=8Devi=C4=87=0A=0Ahttp://www.s= tainofpoetry.com/=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A _______ =0A =0A =0AAmy's Alias =0Ahttp://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:21:14 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: Tomorrow -- Our Final Event @ Stain Bar! Goodbye... APOLOGIES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not tomorrow - the final event takes place on Friday night: =0A=0A=0A=0ANot tomorrow - the final event takes place on Friday night: Friday, May 29th @ 7 p.m. =E2=80=93 Stain Bar =E2=80=93 Williamsburg,=0ABro= oklyn=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0Aour last event at Stain Bar =E2=80=93 the bar is clo= sing! come for=0Athe sendoff!=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A***C. S. Carrier, Jennifer F= irestone, Erica Kaufman, Matthew=0AKlane, =0A=0AMaya Pindyck, Laura Sims***= =0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A~~~~=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0AC. S. Carrier was born in Dayton,= =0AOH and grew up in western North Carolina. His book, After Dayton, was=0A= published in 2008 by Four Way Books. He is also author of The 16s (Katalanc= he=0APress, 2007) and Lyric (horse less press, 2007). He adjuncts at the Un= iversity of Hartford=0Aand lives in Sunderland, MA=0Awith a Chihuahua=0Anam= ed Merwin.=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A~~~=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0AJennifer Firestone is the = co-editor of Letters To Poets:=0AConversations About Poetics, Politics, and= Community (Saturnalia Books). She is=0Athe author of Holiday (Shearsman Bo= oks), Waves=0A(Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs), From Flashes and snapshot (So= na Books). Her=0Awork has appeared in HOW2, LUNGFULL!, Xcp: Streetnotes,, F= ourteen Hills, Dusie,=0A580 Split, Saint Elizabeth Street=0Aand others. She= is an Assistant Professor teaching poetry at Eugene Lang College at The Ne= w School for Liberal Arts, and lives=0Ain Brooklyn with her husband and the= ir baby=0Atwins.=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A~~~=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0Aerica kaufman is the= author of several chapbooks, most=0Arecently censory impulse (an excerpt o= f her long poem of the same title) (OMG,=0AMarch 2008), civilization day (O= pen24Hours, Winter 2007) and censory impulse (an=0Aexcerpt of her long poem= of the same title) (Big Game Books, Fall 2007).=0Akaufman holds an MFA fro= m the New=0A School and was the winner=0Aof the 2003 New School University = Chapbook Contest. kaufman is currently a=0APh.D. candidate at the CUNY=0A G= raduate Center.=0Ashe lives in Brooklyn and works in Manhattan and=0Ateache= s at Baruch=0A College.=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A~~~=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0AMatthew Klane= is founder and editor of Flim Forum Press. His=0Anew book is B_____ Medita= tions (Stockport Flats Press) and his chapbooks=0Ainclude The- Associated P= ress, Sorrow Songs, Friend Delighting the Eloquent,=0Aand The Meister-Reich= Experiments (online at www.housepress.org). Other work=0Acan be found in P= lantarchy, string of small machines, and online at Otoliths=0Aand Word for/= Word. He currently lives and writes in Albany, NY.=0AFor more: www.matthew= klane.blogspot.com.=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A~~~=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0AMaya Pindyck is a= poet and visual artist living and working=0Ain Brooklyn. Her poems have ap= peared in=0ASycamore Review, Mississippi Review, Bellingham Review, and oth= er journals. She=0Ais the author of Locket, Master, which won a Poetry Soci= ety of America Chapbook=0AFellowship in 2006, selected by Paul Muldoon. Her= forthcoming first collection=0Aof poems, Friend Among Stones, won the Many= Voices Project Award and will be=0Apublished by New Rivers Press. In 2005,= she co-founded Project Voice, an=0Aevolving compilation of abortion storie= s which aims to deflate the abortion=0Astigma. Maya holds a B.A. in philoso= phy and studio art from Connecticut College,=0Aan M.F.A. in poetry from Sar= ah=0A Lawrence College=0Aand an M.A. in education through the New York City= Teaching Fellows program.=0AShe currently teaches at a public high school = in Brownsville.=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A~~~=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0ALaura Sims is the aut= hor of two books of poems: Practice,=0ARestraint, winner of the 2005 Fence = Books Alberta Prize, and Stranger,=0Aforthcoming from Fence Books in April = of 2009. Her book reviews and essays have=0Aappeared in Boston Review, New = England Review, Rain Taxi, and The Review of=0AContemporary Fiction, and sh= e has recently published poems in the journals=0ADenver Quarterly, Colorado= Review, CAB/NET, and Crayon. She lives in Brooklyn, New York, and=0Ateache= s writing at Baruch College in Manhattan.=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A~~~=0A=0A=C2=A0= =0A=0Astain=0A=0A766 grand street=0A=0Abrooklyn, ny 11211=0A=0A(L train to = Grand=0A Street,=0A=0A1 block west)=0A=0A718/387-7840=0A=0Aopen daily @ 5 = p.m.=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A~~~~=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0APlease join us for the last hur= rah @ 7 PM sharp!=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0AHosted by Amy King and Ana Bo=C5=BEi=C4= =8Devi=C4=87=0A=0Ahttp://www.stainofpoetry.com/=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A= =0A _______ =0A =0A =0AAmy's Alias =0Ahttp://amyking.org/ =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:25:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Call for villanelles Comments: To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From Annie Finch: Annie Finch and Marie-Elizabeth Mali re co-editing an anthology of villanelles. Previously published, experimental use of the form, variations, and recommendations for villanelles from any era all welcome. Please send no more than three to Marie Elizabeth at mem@floweringlotus.com with contact info on each page and publication credit, if previously published, by June 1st. Thank you, Marie-Elizabeth Mali mem@floweringlotus.com P.S. You'll get a notice from Spamarrest to verify yourself if we've never emailed before. Please do so, or your work will end up in my junk mail. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:58:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Allegrezza Subject: Series A next Wed: Tyrone Williams and Janet Holmes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please come hear two great readers next Wednesday for Series A. June 3, 7:00-8:00 p.m. Tyrone Williams Janet Holmes At the Hyde Park Art Center. 5020 S. Cornell Avenue Chicago, IL (There is parking and easy access to public transportation.) BYOB. For more information, visit http://moriapoetry.com/seriesa.html or e-mail me. Bill Allegrezza ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:24:22 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard's post, as well as my finding a first edition Naked Poetry anthology at the library book sale, made me think of a definition of what we mean by "open poetry" "open poetics" and -- "open discussion". -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 05:14:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sharon Dolin Subject: Poetry Reading next Wednesday Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Greetings from Spain! I=92ll be hosting a poetry reading next Wednesday, June 3rd at 6:30 pm =20= @ The Center for Book Arts: Patricia Smith and Matthew Hittinger will =20= read. I hope you can join me. Matthew Hittinger is the author of Pear Slip, winner of the Spire =20 Press 2006 Chapbook Award, Narcissus Resists (GOSS 183, 2009) and =20 Platos de Sal (Editor's Series #2, Seven Kitchens Press, 2009). Patricia Smith is the author of five books of poetry: Blood Dazzler =20 (Coffee House), finalist for the 2008 National Book Award; Teahouse =20 of the Almighty (Coffee House), a 2005 National Poetry Series =20 selection; Close to Death (Zoland); Big Towns, Big Talk (Zoland) and =20 Life According to Motown (Tia Chucha). She has won a Pushcart and the =20= Hurston/Wright Legacy Award. Smith is an assistant professor of =20 creative writing at the City University of NY and teaches in the =20 Stonecoast MFA program. The Center for Book Arts 28 West 27th Street, Third Floor Between Broadway and Sixth Avenue Subway: N, R, W to 28th Street; F, V to 23rd Street; 1 to 28th Street Suggested Admission: $10/$5 members Sharon Dolin sdolin@earthlink.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:23:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pierre Joris Subject: Query In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have an email or postal address for David Able in =20 Portland? Thanks! =97 Pierre =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "Play what you don't know" -- Sun Ra =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street Albany NY 12202-1310 h: 518 426 0433 c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 71 Euro cell: (011 33) 6 75 43 57 10 email: joris@albany.edu http://pierrejoris.com http://pierrejoris.com/blog/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 06:46:50 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- On Sun, 5/24/09, Jim Andrews wrote: > From: Jim Andrews > Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO & public intellectuals are a dying breed. Or, there is neither the space or a public interested in intellectual debate. Bohemia is dead/dead/dead. The listserv is a rare and much needed exception... from "The Last Intellectuals/American Culture In The Age of Academe", by Russell Jacoby: ...it was not always difficult to name the "young" intellectuals. Once writers and critics regularly, often obsessively, monitered the new generation; they differed not so much over the names but over their merits. Today even the briefest list would include many blanks: leading younger critics? sociologists? historians? philosophers? Psycholgists? Who are they? Where are they? .EDU > Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 1:35 AM > i think lists have had their day as > high quality discussion forums. some options have emerged > since then, such as blogs and social networks. well lists > are social networks, aren't they. but they weren't called > that when they were in their prime. now the term 'social > networks' encompasses lists, things like facebook, myspace, > rss of blogs, and so on. there's more options and more > theory of social networks. unfortunately, for all that, i > haven't seen anything that rivals the early days of the list > in terms of strong discussion. i think it would take quite a > strong platform/app to do that. something that was strong > enough to merit the trust that the list no longer enjoys. if > that's possible. > > ja > http://vispo.com > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:23:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Paul Nelson Subject: Re: What is Open? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Open is organic. The Organic poem is not the recor= Catherine,=0A=0AOpen is organic. =0A=0A=0AThe Organic poem is not the recor= d of an event, it is an event, an=0Aoccasion of experience, a map of the mi= nd at work in the moment, ear=0Ameasuring and mind mediating the crowd of o= utside voices/impulses and=0Aresonances erring on the side of entelechy for= the individual and polis=0Aand culture, in deep connection with dimensions= larger than the=0Apen-holder, enacting =E2=80=93 not describing =E2=80=93 = the instant rather than the act=0Aof thought about the instant. =0A=0A=0ATh= e Organic poem is allied with velocity and the duende beyond=0Amere discour= se and the function of symbology, imbued with a luminousity=0Athat exists j= ust beyond comprehension of the pen-holder, and ripples=0Awith the silver o= f a wave in the midnight of Harvest Moonlight, or the=0Awhite of alder-filt= ered September sunlight just beyond the foot of the=0Amorning altar. =0A=0A= =0AIt is the living apprehension of the underlying form as it=0Aspills out = its testimony as only the moment can reveal, never=0Acompletely contained i= n one poem except that poem which is the final=0Aresult of a lifetime of an= individual poet=E2=80=99s never fully articulate=0Astriving, a chaotic mur= mur of soul re-directing self to Self in an=0Aalchemical conjunctio only an= tepasados fully comprehend. =0A=0A=0AIt is the practice divine of ear train= ing, star to mind to=0Ahand to pen to blossoming, a harvesting of forces le= arned over years,=0Adecades, lifetimes of homage and refined, knows process= as its own=0Ainherent reward in a systemless system which chooses reckless= ly those=0Awho would use speech (at once) at its least careless and least l= ogical,=0Apoet as time mechanic, not embalmer. =0A=0A=0AThe Organic poem is= the mercy, mercy, mercy of the=0Aintersection of the vastness of outer spa= ce with the vastness of the=0Aspace inside skull in complete candor, the or= dinary mind in discovery=0Aof perceptions eternal in celebration of person = (Universe is Person),=0Anot a stream of consciousness, more a coherent sple= ndor, more a field=0Aof first permission to which one is allowed access mor= e often than one=0Athinks. =0A=0A=0APaul=0A=0A Paul E. Nelson =0A=0AGlobal = Voices Radio=0ASPLAB!=0AAmerican Sentences=0AOrganic Poetry=0APoetry Postca= rd Blog=0A=0AIlalqo, WA 253.735.6328=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________= _________________=0AFrom: Catherine Daly =0ATo: POETI= CS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:24:22 PM=0ASubjec= t: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors=0A=0ARicha= rd's post, as well as my finding a first edition Naked Poetry anthology=0Aa= t the library book sale, made me think of a definition of what we mean by= =0A"open poetry" "open poetics" and -- "open discussion".=0A=0A-- =0AAll be= st,=0ACatherine Daly=0Ac.a.b.daly@gmail.com=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=0AThe Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:02:55 -0800 Reply-To: Laurie Schneider & Crag Hill Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Laurie Schneider & Crag Hill Subject: Jim McCray reading in Seattle (June 3) and Portland (June 4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seattle, WA: June 3 with Paul Nelson at Good Shepherd Center Chapel Performance Space. 4649 Sunnyside Ave. N in Wallingford at 7:30 p.m. Portland, OR: June 4 with James Yeary at Concordia Coffee House 2909 NE Alberta 7:30 http://www.flim.com/spareroom/ Spread the word! All That can be perused and purchased at: http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/all-that/4363355 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:23:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah, FABULOUS! As a fag I tend to NOT say this word very often for obvious reasons! But again, FABULOUS! There are things I would LOVE to say right now, but I know they would WITHOUT A DOUBT be censored, as many of my posts to this List have been censored! Murat I'm with you all the way! Fear of language should NOT be in the recipe for poets, at least not for poets worth their salt! CAConrad http://AdvancedELVIS.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:15:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: The poems of Patricia Brody MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _______________ "American Desire," a book of poems by Patricia Brody, has just been published by the Finishing Line Press. The book was selected for the 2009 New Women's Voices Series. http://web.me.com/tom.kostro/Patricia_Brody/American_Desire.html DANGEROUS TO KNOW, a poem from the book ... http://web.me.com/tom.kostro/Patricia_Brody/Excerpt.html Comments on the book by Marie Ponsot, Richard Howard, and Philip Miller ... http://web.me.com/tom.kostro/Patricia_Brody/Blurbs.html The "Irish Poet & Friends" Reading on June 2, 2009 in New York City ... http://web.me.com/tom.kostro/Patricia_Brody/KGBBar_READING.html Purchasing information for the book ... http://web.me.com/tom.kostro/Patricia_Brody/Bio.html Best regards, S=E9amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com http://www.mnartists.org/Seamas_Cain _______________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:03:31 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: cris cheek Subject: part: short life housing In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cris cheek part: short life housing This book collects seven texts written between 1981 and 1999, by UK-=20 born, US-based poet/multimedia artist cris cheek. cheek was one of =20 the key figures in the London poetry scene of the 1980s =E2=80=94 the = so-=20 called =E2=80=9Clinguistically-innovative poetry=E2=80=9D grouping later = =20 anthologized in Robert Sheppard and Adrian Clarke=E2=80=99s Floating =20 Capital: New Poets from London. Likewise, he became central to =20 developments in Performance Writing emerging out of variant =20 distributed networks during the following decade. He has remained a =20 prolific, genre-slipping figure: poet, performance artist and =20 musician, whose activities range from the ambitious conceptual =20 project Things Not Worth Keeping to recordings with the ensembles =20 Slant and Garam Masala. Yet to date his publications have been =20 relatively scarce and elusive, a situation which part: short life =20 housing goes far to rectify. At the heart of this book are two long sequences, previously =20 unpublished aside from short extracts: =E2=80=9Ccanning town = chronicles,=E2=80=9D =20 a scathing set of verbal accretions that emerged from the wreckage of =20= the Thatcher era; and =E2=80=9Cf o g s,=E2=80=9D a series of typestracts = quarried =20 from verbal improvisations recorded during outdoor walks in densely =20 foggy weather. Also included are several shorter pieces, including a =20 selection of early 1980s work and =E2=80=9Cplain speaking yet,=E2=80=9D = cheek=E2=80=99s =20 memorial to the novelist Kathy Acker. The poems have, in keeping with =20= the author=E2=80=99s concern for the specificity of occasion and =20 publication, been revised and visually reimagined with this volume in =20= mind. * For all its thickness, unanticipated moves, visual beauty, and =20 playful language acrobatics, the poetry of part: short life housing =20 consistently retains the edge of serious critique. There are few =20 poets as attuned to the sounds and ambient fogs of everyday life as =20 cris cheek, yet his record is tuned and sharply turned toward the =20 reimagining of social knowledge. This volume is a generous move =20 towards the full representation of cheek=E2=80=99s crucial project. =E2=80=94 Carla Harryman Finally a good and rich span of writings from cris cheek. Here=E2=80=99s = an =20 artist and writer whose work has always taken up active tenancy of =20 the languages and the streets of urban living, recording them and =20 composing them back into the dense abstract neighbourhoods of his =20 pieces. With this careful selection, cris cheek reminds us that he is =20= a Londoner and as such is as inhabited by Dickens=E2=80=99 dark maze of =20= industrial streets as by mind-altering years of activist art =20 lodgings, smoggy thoughtful wanderings or the eerie shock of the =20 thatcheritic city. That=E2=80=99s at least two hundred years of grime, = greed =20 and energy you=E2=80=99ll find distilled in the cellular lines and ink =20= splashes of this great volume. =E2=80=93 Caroline Bergvall =E2=80=9Ci s y o u r t o n g u e a g l o m / w e a p o n t h a = t =20 s t a i n s ?=E2=80=9D cris cheek is the Kepler of Chisenhale Dance = Space. =20 After a century of developments in poetic form best understood as a =20 series of metaphors for transcribed speech, cheek=E2=80=99s poetry often = =20 actually is transcribed speech, throwing shapes on the page that pay =20 homage to (and lay the ghosts of) all the dead metaphors. As in Alvin =20= Lucier=E2=80=99s I Am Sitting in a Room, the speech in cheek=E2=80=99s = work =20 functions as something like echolocation: its reflections (on him and =20= in us) mapping out an ever more complex and multifocal shape for the =20 public sphere, =E2=80=9Cw h e r e o t h e r s f e a r t o / t / r = e a =20 d.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 Peter Manson * cris cheek, part: short life housing. The Gig, 2009. ISBN =20 978-0-9735875-5-5. 270pp, 6=E2=80=B3 x 9=E2=80=B3, perfectbound. ORDERING INFORMATION (with a special deal!) Within Canada: $22.50 =E2=80=94 Within the US: $22.50 US UK: =C2=A317 =E2=80=94 Euro: =E2=82=AC22 All prices include postage. A special deal: for $8 Cdn / $8 US / =C2=A35 / =E2=82=AC7, add one of = the =20 following: * Slant, the canning town chronicles, sound&language (CD with =20 cheek, Sianed Jones, Phillip Jeck =E2=80=94 music based around texts =20 collected in part: short life housing, as well as a reading of a =20 Kinks tune=E2=80=A6!) * cris cheek, the church, the school, the beer (Critical Documents) * Antiphonies: Essays on Women=E2=80=99s Experimental Poetries in = Canada * Maggie O=E2=80=99Sullivan, Palace of Reptiles * Allen Fisher, Entanglement Please make out cheques to =E2=80=9CNate Dorward=E2=80=9D, & send to: 109 Hounslow Ave, North York, ON, M2N 2B1, Canada (email: ndorward [at-sign] ndorward [dot] com) with apologies for cross posting= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:02:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project May/June Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, Please go to our Website and check out Dustin Williamson=E2=80=99s reading report= on the Jack Spicer events and Evelyn Reilly=E2=80=99s report on John Ashbery=E2=80=99s rea= ding (in =E2=80=9CFeatured Content=E2=80=9D) as well as Edwin Torres=E2=80=99 last post as Guest B= logger. Also, thank you to the people who have responded to our Spring email appeal= . We are $2,500 closer to our goal of at least $15,000. If you can help with even a small amount, simply follow this link: http://poetryproject.org/get-involved/donate-now We thank you in advance. The Project couldn=E2=80=99t exist without your continue= d and unwavering support. Love=20 The PP Friday, May 29, 10 PM Stephen McLaughlin & Phillip Dmochowski Present An Evening Of Poetry & Collaborations Stephen McLaughlin and Phillip Dmochowski are the editors of Principal Hand Publishing Series. Stephen is a poet/programmer whose first release, with Jim Carpenter, was Issue 1, a 3,785-page e-chap. Stephen edits the podcast =E2=80=9CPoemTalk at the Writers House,=E2=80=9D and is a contributing editor at PennSo= und and ubu.com. Phillip is an artist, DJ, and director of DNA Gallery in Provincetown, MA. His first book, Indian Method, documents a systematic disfigurement of rare books and is forthcoming from Patrick Lovelace Editions. Monday, June 1, 8 PM Carlos T. Blackburn & Betsy Fagin Carlos T. Blackburn, author of Portraits (2006) and The Selected Poems of Hamster (2008). Born at the New York Infirmary for Indigent Women and Children, 1969; raised in Brooklyn. Poems have surfaced in Land of the Weejis, Aeroplano, 6=C3=976 and Watchword. Work as a soccer coach, bike messenger, roller coaster operator, collegian (anthropology), fish monger, copy editor, demolition worker, bartender and teacher all form a part of hi= s r=C3=A9sum=C3=A9. Presently in the last year of his training as a physical therapis= t in Glasgow, Scotland. Betsy Fagin is the author of Belief Opportunity (Big Game Books, 2008), Rosemary Stretch (dusie e/chap, 2006) and For every solution there is a problem (Open 24 Hours, 2003), as well as a number of self-published chapbooks. Wednesday, June 3, 8 PM Steve Carey Book Party Edmund Berrigan edited Steve Carey=E2=80=99s Selected Poems for Subpress. The boo= k will be available for the reading. Carey=E2=80=99s books include The California Papers (United Artists), Gentle Subsidy (Big Sky), Smith Going Backwards (Cranium Press), and 20 Poems (Unimproved Editions Press). Anselm Berrigan writes of him: =E2=80=9CHe was like this huge guy who wouldn=E2=80=99t harm a soul, wit= h a deep voice and ability to loom. Bob Newhart and Jimi Hendrix and Philip Whalen.=E2=80=9D Carey passed away in 1989. With Anselm Berrigan, Edmund Berrigan= , Tom Carey, Peggy DeCoursey, Marion Farrier, Greg Fuchs, Eileen Myles, Elino= r Nauen, Simon Pettet, Harris Schiff and others. And from our friends at Danspace Project: Yoshiko Chuma & The School of Hard Knocks /ROOT CULTURE (USA/Japan) =20 POONARC: Not About Romanian Cinema Concept, Design, Choreography and Direction: Yoshiko Chuma From the ongoing dance/installation series A Page Out of Order (2001-2011). Featuring artists from the USA, Romania and Japan who have spent the last four weeks developing this work, while journeying through several regions o= f Romania. The development experience is integral to the creation of POONARC. =20 June 4, 5, 6, 11, 12, 13, 2009, St. Mark=E2=80=99s Church, 8:30pm Post performance discussions: Fridays June 5th & 12th June 5: Moderator: Judy Hussie-Taylor, Director Danspace Project June 12: Moderator: Corina Su=C5=A3eu Director, Romanian Cultural Institute of New York MORE INFO and TICKETS at Danspace=E2=80=99s site: http://www.danspaceproject.org/performance/events7.html Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.org/become-a-member Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.org/program-calendar The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.org www.poetryproject.org Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=E2=80=99d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a li= ne at info@poetryproject.org. =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 00:55:57 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jesse Glass Subject: Jesse Glass Featured At Text Festival Event, U.K. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And happy to be there. Friday, 12 June 7:30 Bury Art Gallery, Moss St., Bury http://www.textfestival.com/when/view-12 Jess ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:55:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Illinois Poets: Support Literacy Education MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi poetics friends in illionis....our state is trying to cut funds for adul= t literacy education. this is the program that i've taught in for 10 years= . we service immigrants and people without high school degrees at the chic= ago city colleges and many locations around the state. the illinois house has already approved eliminating all state funds for adu= lt education. the senate will soon vote on this. =20 please call your illinois state senator ASAP. leave a message and let them= know that you support adult education and oppose any cuts to its funding. = people need education to get jobs! find your illinois senator's contact information here:=20 http://www.ilga.gov/senate or -- call senator william delgado at (773) 292-0202 and (217) 782-5652.=20 CONTINUE STATE FUNDING FOR ADULT EDUCATION $53.7 million in state and federal Adult Education / Family Literacy fundin= g will be lost if the Illinois Community College Board Adult Education fund= ing is eliminated IMPACT OF ADULT EDUCATION SERVICES =E2=80=A2 Over 100 programs provide instruction in Adult Basic Education, A= dult Secondary Education, and English as a Second Language=20 =E2=80=A2 Approximately 118,000 students enroll in programs annually =E2=80=A2 Over 13,000 students pass the GED Test in Illinois annually =E2=80=A2 82% of those who enter employment retain employment =E2=80=A2 Less than 3% of those in need of adult education are being served =20 NEED FOR ADULT EDUCATION IN ILLINOIS =E2=80=A2 1.8 million residents without a high school diploma =E2=80=A2 2.34 million residents speak a language other than English =E2=80=A2 644,000 immigrant residents who do not read and write =E2=80=A2 Federal resources will decrease by $1.5 million in FY 2010 =E2=80=A2 More than 4,300 students are waiting to enroll in adult education onwards, jennifer karmin=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:22:52 +1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Young Subject: Now out from Otoliths=?windows-1252?Q?=97Through_?= the Funeral Mountains on a Burro, by Charles Freeland MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *Through the Funeral Mountains on a Burro* Charles Freeland 68 pages Cover collage by Angela Genusa Otoliths 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9806025-2-4 $10.45 + p&h Direct URL: http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/through-the-funeral-mountains-on= -a-burro/7152290 Charles Freeland employs narrative sequence as a mode of aspiring to innocence. Each of these deceptively direct prose pieces, "embracing that infinity," is replete with power to endure what finally endows the consciou= s mind with revelations disguised as moments. Freeland=92s wry humor, charged observations, sonorous lines ("Eulalie stands thigh deep in the river"), remind us of our privilege "just to catch the echo of it, the way children sometimes catch crayfish on the end of a sharpened stick." One final word for Freeland: "Encore!" =97 *Sheila E. Murphy* Freeland's collection takes us on a journey with unexpected directions and deviations. Full of satire and the understated, the poetry of *Through the Funeral Mountains on a Burro* is masterful. =97 *William Allegrezza* ** ** The full Otoliths catalog, which includes books by Nick Piombino, Geof Huth= , Marilyn R. Rosenberg, Tom Beckett, William Allegrezza, Anny Ballardini, Nic= o Vassilakis, Eileen Tabios, Martin Edmond, Paul Siegell, Sheila E. Murphy, Marton Koppany, Jordan Stempleman, & Adam Fieled, amongst many others, can be found at http://stores.lulu.com/l_m_young. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:16:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Sarai Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain Yup re the "long delay between sending and posting." {per Mark} >>>>I'm with you. Also the long delay between sending and posting. Both c= reated a=20 feeli9ng like running in molasses. Mark -----Original Message----- >From: mIEKAL aND >Sent: May 26, 2009 1:13 PM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors > >I have no interest in wading into this thread, but my feeling is that >the 2 post rule did much more to quell interesting, active & >spontaneous discussion, than any form of moderation. > >~mIEKAL > >back to lurkhood > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:25:31 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Kate Eichhorn Subject: Feminist Poetics - Open Letter (Summer 2009) Special Issue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Open Letter (13, 9) -- Beyond Stasis: Poetics and Feminism Today=20 Guest Editors: Kate Eichhorn and Barbara Godard Open Letter (13, 9) features poetic statements and essays by and about innovative Canadian women poets born since 1960. Spanning at least two generations of writers, this issue places a group of new and already well= established women poets in the context of Canada=92s rich history of avant-garde women's writing. Contributors include Sina Queyras, Margaret Christakos, Rita Wong, Rachel Zolf, Nathalie Stephens, Trish Salah, Angel= a Rawlings, Angela Carr and Jenny Sampirisi among others.=20 To order copies of Open Letter (13, 9) go to: http://publish.uwo.ca/~fdavey/sub.htm =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:04:54 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Woodland Pattern--E-News: Small Press Focus & Alternating Currents Live In-Reply-To: <963495.44739.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Woodland Pattern E-News!http://www.woodlandpattern.org/____________________= ________________________________________________ IN THIS ANNOUNCEMENT:=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= EVENTSSat. 5/30: Reading & Small Press Focus with Kathleen Rooney=2C Brandi= Homan=2C Becca Klaver=3B 7pmSun. 5/31: Alternating Currents Live presents = Urs Leimgruber=3B 7pm WORKSHOPSSat. 5/30: Sense & Nonsense" with Becca Klaver=3B 12-4pmJune 2 =96= July 16: Jack Collom Workshop Series at the Wilson Park Senior Center=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DSATURDAY=2C MAY 30: S= WITCHBACK BOOKS READING & WORKSHOP=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Reading & Small Press Focus with Kathleen Rooney=2C Brandi Homan=2C Becca K= laver Saturday=2C May 30=2C 2009=3B 7pm ($8/$7/$6)Woodland Pattern Book Center720= East Locust StreetMilwaukee=2C WI 53212 Switchback Books is a feminist press publishing poetry by women. Founded i= n 2006 by a group of students at Columbia College Chicago=2C Switchback Boo= ks publishes two books a year=2C one of which is the winner of the Gatewood= Prize for a first book of poetry by a woman aged 18 through 39.=20 Brandi Homan is the author of Hard Reds (Shearsman Books=2C 2008). Her chap= book=2C Two Kinds of Arson=2C is available from dancing girl press. She ear= ned her MFA at Columbia College Chicago and is editor-in-chief of Switchbac= k Books. Kathleen Rooney was born in Beckley=2C West Virginia and raised in the Midw= est. Along with Abby Beckel=2C she is a founding editor of Rose Metal Press= . She is the author of Reading with Oprah: the Book Club That Changed Amer= ica (University of Arkansas=2C 2005)=2C That Tiny Insane Voluptuousness (Ot= oliths=2C 2008)=2C a poetry collaboration with Elisa Gabbert=2C Oneiromance= (an epithalamion)=2C which won the the 2007 Gatewood Prize from Switchback= Books=2C and Live Nude Girl: My Life as an Object (University of Arkansas = Press=2C 2009)=2C an occupational memoir. She lives in Chicago with her hu= sband=2C the writer Martin Seay. Becca Klaver was born and raised in Milwaukee=2C attended the University of Southern California (BA) and Columbia College C= hicago (MFA)=2C and currently lives in Chicago=2C where she works and teach= es at Columbia. With Brandi Homan and Hanna Andrews=2C she co-edits the fem= inist poetry press Switchback Books. Recent work can be found online in No = Tell Motel=2C H_NGM_N=2C and Coconut. Her chapbook=2C Inside a Red Corvette= : A 90s Mix Tape=2C is available from the greying ghost press. WORKSHOP"Sense & Nonsense: A Poetry Workshop" with Becca KlaverSaturday=2C = May 30=2C 2009=2C 12am-4pm ($40/$35 WP Members includes ticket to 7pm readi= ng) Call now to register! 414-263-5001 Through a variety of sensory and nonsensical experiments=2C in this worksho= p we will explore our relationships to each of the traditional five senses = (especially those we take for granted)=2C consider the additional senses th= at poets rely on (sixth=2C seventh=2C seventeenth)=2C examine synesthesia and other sense-related poetic topics= =2C and indulge in nonsense. Experiments may or may not include fl=E2neurin= g=2C blindfolds=2C taste/smell/touch-tests=2C and speaking in tongues=2C or= in Stein. Participants will be asked to bring a few simple supplies to aid= in the experiments=2C and will use the material generated to compose one o= r more poems or short texts by the end of the workshop. http://www.woodlandpattern.org/workshops/adults.shtml#klaver =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DSUNDAY=2C MAY 31: URS= LEIMGRUBER CONCERT=3B 7PM=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Alternating Currents Live presents Urs Leimgruber a concert of solo saxopho= ne improvisations Sunday=2C May 31=2C 2009=3B 7pm ($8/$7/$6)Woodland Pattern Book Center720 E= ast Locust StreetMilwaukee=2C WI 53212 Born Lucern=2C Switzerland in 1952=2C composer and saxophonist Urs Leimgrub= er has been active for many years in the areas of contemporary improvisatio= n=2C composition=2C jazz and new music. In one of his earliest musical asso= ciations he was as a member of the electric jazz/free music group 'Om' with= Christy Doran=2C Fredy Study and Bobbi Burri. His own projects have inclu= ded a long duo association with percussionist Fritz Hauser=2C the Leimgrube= r/Roidinger/Hauser trio=3B as well as trio collaborations with both Jo=EBll= e L=E9andre and Marilyn Crispell. He has recently formed 'quartet noir' wit= h Marilyn Crispell=2C Jo=EBlle L=E9andre and Fritz Hauser. In addition to t= hese long-standing collaborations Urs Leimgruber performs extensively as a = solo artist and often performs in a wide variety of mixed media presentatio= ns=2C providing music for dance=2C radio plays and film. Throughout his ca= reer he has appeared in concert and on recordings with Steve Lacy=2C Tim Berne=2C Fred Frith=2C= Joe McPhee=2C Lauren Newton=2C Keith Rowe=2C Sunny Murray=2C among many ot= hers. http://www.woodlandpattern.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DJUNE 2 - JULY 16: JAC= K COLLOM WORKSHOP & RESIDENCY=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D Jack Collom Workshop Series at the Wilson Park Senior Center Tuesdays & Thursdays=2C June 2 - July 16=2C 1pm-3pm (free & open to everyon= e 50 & older)Wilson Park Senior Center2601 W. Howard Ave.Milwaukee=2C WI 53= 221 Jack Collom will lead a series of creative memoir writing workshops with ol= der adults beginning June 2=2C 2009. This exciting project will help nurtur= e and share the voices of older adults through a lively series of writing exercises and playful exploration. Work= shops are open to anyone over 50 and will be held at Wilson Park Senior Cen= ter=2C 2601 W. Howard Avenue in Milwaukee. Don=92t miss this once in a life= time opportunity to tell your story! Jack Collom joined the U.S. Air Force and wrote his first poems in Tripoli= =2C Libya. He returned to the U.S. and worked in factories for twenty years= . He earned a BA and an MA in English on the GI Bill=2C and has taught Crea= tive Writing free-lance for over thirty years. Collom has authored 22 books= and chapbooks. In 2001=2C Tuumba Press issued a more than 500-page-long vo= lume=2C Red Car Goes By=2C as his Selected Poems. His latest books are Exch= anges of Earth & Sky and Situations=2C Sings.=20 Woodland Pattern looks forward to hosting Jack Collom as part of a Creativi= ty and Aging initiative=2C with generous support from the NEA=92s Creativit= y and Aging in America initiative=2C the UWM Center on Age and Community=2C and Interfait= h Milwaukee http://www.woodlandpattern.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DFollow us on Twitter:= http://www.twitter.com/woodlandpatternWe're also on Facebook and MySpace!= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To receive regular messages notifying you of Woodland Patternevents=2C send= a message to us at woodlandpattern@sbcglobal.net with"Join E-List" in the = subject line. To unsubscribe from these mailings send a reply with "unsubscribe"in the su= bject line. PLEASE FORWARD! THANKS!!! http://www.woodlandpattern.org/ Woodland Pattern Book Center 720 E. Locust Street Milwaukee=2C WI 53212 phone 414.263.5001 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto= rial_Storage1_052009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:29:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christina Milletti Subject: &Now: a Conference of Innovative Writing & the Literary Arts In-Reply-To: <817752.83308.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit CALL FOR WORK &Now: a Conference of Innovative Writing and the Literary Arts New Proposal Deadline: June 15, 2009 The 4th Biennial &Now Conference of Innovative Writing & the Literary Arts will be held in Buffalo, NY from October 15-17, 2009. The &Now Festival explores intersections between creative and critical praxes, examines innovative and experimental acts of writing, and advances a serious inquiry into theories of language. Keynote Speakers: Robert Coover, Nathaniel Mackey, & Rikki Ducornet PLEASE SUBMIT…. Critical papers and cross genre work of all kinds: criti-fictional presentations, readings, performance pieces (digital, sound, and otherwise), and digital and multimedia projects. Pieces that address linguistic transgressions, the limits of genre, or works that promote interdisciplinary explorations are particularly encouraged. Proposals can be for individual readings, critical panels, creative panels, and/or roundtable discussions. Please send proposals by email in the following format: *Title of Proposed Reading/Performance/Presentation *Brief Description (no more than 500 words). *Brief Bio (a few sentences) of all participants *Tech needs (if any) Submit all proposals to: andnow4@gmail.com PROPOSAL DEADLINE: June 15, 2009. Please note: Each session will be approximately 75 minutes. Individual presentations/readings should therefore be limited to 15-20 minutes so that grouped sessions that make thematic sense can be arranged. For more information, visit: http://www.english.buffalo.edu/andnow/ Or contact: Dimitri Anastasopoulos at danastas@buffalo.edu or Christina Milletti at milletti@buffalo.edu *************************************************** Links to prior &Now Conferences: &Now 2005: University of Notre Dame, South Bend, Indiana http://www.nd.edu/~andnow/ &Now 2006: Lake Forest College, Chicago http://www.lakeforest.edu/academics/programs/engl/andnow/ &Now 2008: Chapman University, Los Angeles http://andnowfestival.com/ ________________________ Christina Milletti Assistant Professor of English Co-Director: Exhibit X Fiction Series University at Buffalo Office: 533 Clemens Office Phone: 716-645-2575 x1056 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:23:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Brian Clements Subject: Seeking Liz Waldner In-Reply-To: <188EA2FB-DFA6-40CA-BB4A-C026C5A9DDC3@uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Anyone have a current email address for her? bc Prof. Brian Clements, Coordinator MFA in Creative and Professional Writing Western Connecticut State University 203-837-8876 http://www.wcsu.edu/writing/mfa =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:24:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christina Milletti Subject: CFP: &Now Conference of Innovative Writing & the Literary Arts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain CALL FOR WORK &Now: a Conference of Innovative Writing and the Literary Arts New Proposal Deadline: June 15, 2009 The 4th Biennial &Now Conference of Innovative Writing & the Lite= rary Arts will be held in=20 Buffalo, NY from October 15-17, 2009. The &Now Festival explores inte= rsections between=20 creative and critical praxes, examines innovative and experimental acts o= f writing, and=20 advances a serious inquiry into theories of language. Keynote Speakers: Robert Coover, Nathaniel Mackey, Rikki Ducornet PLEASE SUBMIT=85. Critical papers and cross genre work of all kinds: criti-fictional presen= tations, readings,=20 performance pieces (digital, sound, and otherwise), and digital and multi= media projects.=20 Pieces that address linguistic transgressions, the limits of genre, or wo= rks that promote=20 interdisciplinary explorations are particularly encouraged. Proposals can= be for individual=20 readings, critical panels, creative panels, and/or roundtable discussions= . Please send proposals by email in the following format: *Title of Proposed Reading/Performance/Presentation *Brief Description (no more than 500 words). *Brief Bio (a few sentences) of all participants *Tech needs (if any) Submit all proposals to: andnow4@gmail.com PROPOSAL DEADLINE: June 15, 2009. Please note: Each session will be approximately 75 minutes. Individual=20= presentations/readings should therefore be limited to 15-20 minutes so th= at grouped=20 sessions that make thematic sense can be arranged. For more information, visit: http://www.english.buffalo.edu/andnow/ Or contact: Dimitri Anastasopoulos at danastas@buffalo.edu or Christina Milletti at milletti@buffalo.edu *************************************************** Links to prior &Now Conferences: &Now 2005: University of Notre Dame, South Bend, Indiana http://www.nd.edu/~andnow/ &Now 2006: Lake Forest College, Chicago http://www.lakeforest.edu/academics/programs/engl/andnow/ &Now 2008: Chapman University, Los Angeles http://andnowfestival.com/ ________________________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:39:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christina Milletti Subject: &Now: a Conference of Innovative Writing and the Literary Arts In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit CALL FOR WORK &Now: a Conference of Innovative Writing and the Literary Arts New Proposal Deadline: June 15, 2009 The 4th Biennial &Now Conference of Innovative Writing & the Literary Arts will be held in Buffalo, NY from October 15-17, 2009. The &Now Festival explores intersections between creative and critical praxes, examines innovative and experimental acts of writing, and advances a serious inquiry into theories of language. Keynote Speakers: Robert Coover, Nathaniel Mackey, Rikki Ducornet PLEASE SUBMIT…. Critical papers and cross genre work of all kinds: criti-fictional presentations, readings, performance pieces (digital, sound, and otherwise), and digital and multimedia projects. Pieces that address linguistic transgressions, the limits of genre, or works that promote interdisciplinary explorations are particularly encouraged. Proposals can be for individual readings, critical panels, creative panels, and/or roundtable discussions. Please send proposals by email in the following format: *Title of Proposed Reading/Performance/Presentation *Brief Description (no more than 500 words). *Brief Bio (a few sentences) of all participants *Tech needs (if any) Submit all proposals to: andnow4@gmail.com PROPOSAL DEADLINE: June 15, 2009. Please note: Each session will be approximately 75 minutes. Individual presentations/readings should therefore be limited to 15-20 minutes so that grouped sessions that make thematic sense can be arranged. For more information, visit: http://www.english.buffalo.edu/andnow/ Or contact: Dimitri Anastasopoulos at danastas@buffalo.edu or Christina Milletti at milletti@buffalo.edu *************************************************** Links to prior &Now Conferences: &Now 2005: University of Notre Dame, South Bend, Indiana http://www.nd.edu/~andnow/ &Now 2006: Lake Forest College, Chicago http://www.lakeforest.edu/academics/programs/engl/andnow/ &Now 2008: Chapman University, Los Angeles http://andnowfestival.com/ ________________________ Christina Milletti Assistant Professor of English Co-Director: Exhibit X Fiction Series University at Buffalo Office: 533 Clemens Office Phone: 716-645-2575 x1056 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:00:07 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Allegrezza Subject: new AnPo(APo)/AniPo/POAtry blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i am going to create a new blog dedicated to animated poetry. i'm thinking mostly about animated .gifs, but it really could be any type of animation. (i'm a simple person. i just like to see moving words.) if you have something to add, send it to me at holymerda@moriapoetry.com. the blog will be as unedited as i can let it be, so i'll take just about anything. i'm just going to chunk what is sent onto the blog.** **i know the e-mail address sounds like a spoof, but the blog will be real. i just like imaging a bunch of poets typing holymerda. **if you are an academic lacky, don't take the "unedited" thing to mean feel free to send me vita filler. bill allegrezza p.s. feel free to give me feedback on the idea. hopefully it generates more excitement than the poetry wiki i created (http://innovativeaudiences.pbworks.com/). that was lame. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:40:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Just Buffalo Literary Center Subject: Just Buffalo/CEPA Summer Youth Photo Camps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII 2009 Summer Youth Camps Session 1 (Ages 13-17) July 27-31 1-4 pm Session 2 (Ages 8-12) August 3-7 9am-Noon NEW Writing With Light Workshop: Photography & Writing This multidisciplinary workshop is designed for students that are intereste= d in developing a strong photography portfolio. Taught by professional phot= ographers and writers, students will learn their own unique visual expressi= on as well as an understanding of the technical aspects of film and digital= photography while also developing their creative writing skills. PHOTOGRAPHY: Students will work in group settings and one-on-one with a CEP= A Gallery teaching artist to ensure that each student finishes the workshop= with a high-quality portfolio of portrait, landscape, and documentary imag= es. Students are encouraged to use their own cameras but one can be provide= d if needed. WRITING: Students will also have an opportunity to work with a writer from = Just Buffalo Literary Center to help them compose an Artist Statement about= their body of work. Creative writing exercises will also involve poetry a= nd prose. WORKSHOP FEE: =24200 includes all supplies. Workshop fee is non-refundable. Sign up today=21 Classes will fill up fast=21 For more information please contact Lauren Tent, CEPA Gallery Education Director lauren=40cepagallery.com or 716-856-2717 CEPA Gallery 617 Main Street, Buffalo NY 14203 www.cepagallery.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:54:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Della Watson Subject: Listserv Post: Wunderkammer Call For Submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wunderkammer is seeking innovative new work for its curious collection of art, poetry, and prose. *ABOUT THE NAME:* A wunderkammer, also known as a cabinet of curiosities or a wonder room, is a collection of objects meant to represent the world in miniature. Wunderkammern were popular during the Renaissance, when wealthy men would amass encyclopedic collections that might include fossils, paintings, sculptures, bones, feathers, religious relics, and other oddities. The tradition of the wonder room is believed by some people to be the precursor to the modern museum. *SUBMISSIONS:* Email original writing or art to wunderkammer.poetry@gmail.com and write "Submission" in the subject line of the email. *THEME WEEKS*: If you are submitting work that relates to a particular theme, please indicate the theme in the subject line of your email. In addition to non-themed submissions, Wunderkammer is now seeking creative work that falls into these categories: Collection (deadline--June 14, 2009) Obama (deadline--June 28, 2009) Ecopoetics (deadline--July 12, 2009) *GUEST CURATORS:* If you have an idea for a theme week, please submit a detailed proposal and write "Curator Proposal" in the subject line of your email. *http://www.wunderkammerpoetry.com/* ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:10:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Allegrezza Subject: wiki--call for writers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok, so i still think the idea of a poetics wiki that has space for any type of discussion is a good idea. here is the one i created a few years ago: http://innovativeaudiences.pbworks.com/. it already has some great discussion under the language traditions link from ernesto priego. i encourage you all, especially in light of the recent discussions here, to jump on the site and add your views. since i want to see the discussion myself, i'll sweeten the offer. i'll buy anyone who posts a beer (or a martini, coffee, tea, water, etc).** **deal only valid when the writer visits chicago at a convenient time for me and visits the local bar/cafe/lake within walking distance from my place. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:29:15 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: What is Open? In-Reply-To: <350724.84030.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, Mesey and Berg included Levertov's organic poetry essay in NAKED poetry, but I see no reason open =3D organic On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Paul Nelson wrote: > Open is organic. > > > The Organic poem is not the recor > Catherine, > > Open is organic. > > > The Organic poem is not the record of an event, it is an event, an > occasion of experience, a map of the mind at work in the moment, ear > measuring and mind mediating the crowd of outside voices/impulses and > resonances erring on the side of entelechy for the individual and polis > and culture, in deep connection with dimensions larger than the > pen-holder, enacting =96 not describing =96 the instant rather than the a= ct > of thought about the instant. > > > The Organic poem is allied with velocity and the duende beyond > mere discourse and the function of symbology, imbued with a luminousity > that exists just beyond comprehension of the pen-holder, and ripples > with the silver of a wave in the midnight of Harvest Moonlight, or the > white of alder-filtered September sunlight just beyond the foot of the > morning altar. > > > It is the living apprehension of the underlying form as it > spills out its testimony as only the moment can reveal, never > completely contained in one poem except that poem which is the final > result of a lifetime of an individual poet=92s never fully articulate > striving, a chaotic murmur of soul re-directing self to Self in an > alchemical conjunctio only antepasados fully comprehend. > > > It is the practice divine of ear training, star to mind to > hand to pen to blossoming, a harvesting of forces learned over years, > decades, lifetimes of homage and refined, knows process as its own > inherent reward in a systemless system which chooses recklessly those > who would use speech (at once) at its least careless and least logical, > poet as time mechanic, not embalmer. > > > The Organic poem is the mercy, mercy, mercy of the > intersection of the vastness of outer space with the vastness of the > space inside skull in complete candor, the ordinary mind in discovery > of perceptions eternal in celebration of person (Universe is Person), > not a stream of consciousness, more a coherent splendor, more a field > of first permission to which one is allowed access more often than one > thinks. > > > Paul > > Paul E. Nelson > > Global Voices Radio > SPLAB! > American Sentences > Organic Poetry > Poetry Postcard Blog > > Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Catherine Daly > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:24:22 PM > Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors > > Richard's post, as well as my finding a first edition Naked Poetry > anthology > at the library book sale, made me think of a definition of what we mean b= y > "open poetry" "open poetics" and -- "open discussion". > > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly@gmail.com > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:09:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Paul Nelson Subject: Re: What is Open? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Open means allowing the poem to find its own track. Duncan = Catherine,=0A=0AOpen means allowing the poem to find its own track. Duncan = and Levertov used this language in the early 60's in their correspondence a= nd differentiated Organic from Free Verse and certainly from Conventional p= oetry. You have to be open to let the poem find its way...open to the turns= a poem wants to make for itself. A free verse poem like Howl is not entire= ly organic, because Allen had a sense of what he wanted to say about his fr= iends and acquantences being fucked over by the Military-Industrial mentali= ty and the industry-generated culture which maintains this force.=0A=0ARobi= n Blaser, rest his soul, in the introduction to The Holy Forest suggests:"T= he whole marvellous thing of open form is a traditional and an American pro= blem...the sublime poem (tells) the narrative of the spirit...not simply to= be led to a conclusion, but be taken by such a magical carmen perpetuum to= all the image-nations of this remarkable, revivifying world.=0A=0AIn my me= etings with him in 2005 & 6 (documented here: http://www.goldenhandcuffsrev= iew.com/gh9content/16.html) he was fine with calling it Open, Projective an= d Organic, as if the terms were interchangable. But I think Organic is more= evocative of the cosmology of process, relationship and interdependence al= s Whitehead and the Hua Yen Buddhists. This is why I prefer it.=0A=0APaul= =0A=0A Paul E. Nelson =0A=0AGlobal Voices Radio=0ASPLAB!=0AAmerican Sentenc= es=0AOrganic Poetry=0APoetry Postcard Blog=0A=0AIlalqo, WA 253.735.6328=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Catherine Dal= y =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Friday,= May 29, 2009 11:29:15 AM=0ASubject: Re: What is Open?=0A=0AWell, Mesey and= Berg included Levertov's organic poetry essay in NAKED=0Apoetry, but I see= no reason open =3D organic=0A=0AOn Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Paul Nels= on wrote:=0A=0A> Open is organic.=0A>=0A>=0A> The Orga= nic poem is not the recor=0A> Catherine,=0A>=0A> Open is organic.=0A>=0A>= =0A> The Organic poem is not the record of an event, it is an event, an=0A>= occasion of experience, a map of the mind at work in the moment, ear=0A> m= easuring and mind mediating the crowd of outside voices/impulses and=0A> re= sonances erring on the side of entelechy for the individual and polis=0A> a= nd culture, in deep connection with dimensions larger than the=0A> pen-hold= er, enacting =E2=80=93 not describing =E2=80=93 the instant rather than the= act=0A> of thought about the instant.=0A>=0A>=0A> The Organic poem is alli= ed with velocity and the duende beyond=0A> mere discourse and the function = of symbology, imbued with a luminousity=0A> that exists just beyond compreh= ension of the pen-holder, and ripples=0A> with the silver of a wave in the = midnight of Harvest Moonlight, or the=0A> white of alder-filtered September= sunlight just beyond the foot of the=0A> morning altar.=0A>=0A>=0A> It is = the living apprehension of the underlying form as it=0A> spills out its tes= timony as only the moment can reveal, never=0A> completely contained in one= poem except that poem which is the final=0A> result of a lifetime of an in= dividual poet=E2=80=99s never fully articulate=0A> striving, a chaotic murm= ur of soul re-directing self to Self in an=0A> alchemical conjunctio only a= ntepasados fully comprehend.=0A>=0A>=0A> It is the practice divine of ear t= raining, star to mind to=0A> hand to pen to blossoming, a harvesting of for= ces learned over years,=0A> decades, lifetimes of homage and refined, knows= process as its own=0A> inherent reward in a systemless system which choose= s recklessly those=0A> who would use speech (at once) at its least careless= and least logical,=0A> poet as time mechanic, not embalmer.=0A>=0A>=0A> Th= e Organic poem is the mercy, mercy, mercy of the=0A> intersection of the va= stness of outer space with the vastness of the=0A> space inside skull in co= mplete candor, the ordinary mind in discovery=0A> of perceptions eternal in= celebration of person (Universe is Person),=0A> not a stream of consciousn= ess, more a coherent splendor, more a field=0A> of first permission to whic= h one is allowed access more often than one=0A> thinks.=0A>=0A>=0A> Paul=0A= >=0A> Paul E. Nelson=0A>=0A> Global Voices Radio=0A> SPLAB!=0A> American S= entences=0A> Organic Poetry=0A> Poetry Postcard Blog=0A>=0A> Ilalqo, WA 253= .735.6328=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> ________________________________= =0A> From: Catherine Daly =0A> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.B= UFFALO.EDU=0A> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:24:22 PM=0A> Subject: Re: Ur= gent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors=0A>=0A> Richard's p= ost, as well as my finding a first edition Naked Poetry=0A> anthology=0A> a= t the library book sale, made me think of a definition of what we mean by= =0A> "open poetry" "open poetics" and -- "open discussion".=0A>=0A> --=0A> = All best,=0A> Catherine Daly=0A> c.a.b.daly@gmail.com=0A>=0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all pos= ts. Check guidelines=0A> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/w= elcome.html=0A>=0A>=0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> The Poetics List is= moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines=0A> & sub/unsub in= fo: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A>=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0AAll be= st,=0ACatherine Daly=0Ac.a.b.daly@gmail.com=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=0AThe Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guid= elines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:27:20 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "K. Silem Mohammad" Subject: WEST WIND REVIEW 2009 feat. Rod Smith, Jen Hofer, Kevin Killian, Jennifer Knox, et al. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WEST WIND REVIEW 2009 featuring David Watson, Mel Nichols, Rod Smith, Catherine Meng, Grzegorz Wr=F3blewski= , Eddie Watkins, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Elisabeth Workman, Kathleen Rooney & Elisa Gabbert, Drew Gardner, Andrew Felsinger, Carol Guess, Jen Hofer, Brandon Brown, Stan Apps, Shane Allison, Nico Vassilakis, Noah Eli Gordon, Joshua Marie Wilkinson, Kaia Sand, Brandon Shimoda, Meg Hurtado, Alli Warren, William Knight, Dawn Sueoka, Lanny Quarles, Jim Klein, Michael Magee, Sandra Simonds, Jennifer Knox, Gary Sullivan, Rhoads Stevens, & Kevin Killian Brandon Brown, "Talking's Money": there's a hole in my pocket but I'm talking with my mouth the speech goes out into the arena where sometimes it wields clubs and sometimes tingles (in a good way) most often it returns to me transformed face to face with my own speech in the form of ghoulishly melted ore from the earth. What it says I strain to hear. The sewer inside my neck spits like a dog's mouth but it wipes off clean, easy, shining. $8 + $3 s&h TO ORDER: http://soubookstore.collegestoreonline.com/ePOS?this_category=3D4&store=3D5= 23&item_number=3D9780971008588&form=3Dshared3%2fgm%2fdetail%2ehtml&design= =3D523 WWR BLOG: http://westwindreview.blogspot.com/ --=20 ---- -------- ---------------- K. Silem Mohammad http://lime-tree.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:35:17 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: new AnPo(APo)/AniPo/POAtry blog In-Reply-To: <7ebc05130905291100o44960836kb69db6c0c448c9a3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit isn't it lackey? On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:00 AM, William Allegrezza wrote: > i am going to create a new blog dedicated to animated poetry. i'm > thinking mostly about animated .gifs, but it really could be any type > of animation. (i'm a simple person. i just like to see moving > words.) if you have something to add, send it to me at > holymerda@moriapoetry.com. the blog will be as unedited as i can let > it be, so i'll take just about anything. i'm just going to chunk > what is sent onto the blog.** > > **i know the e-mail address sounds like a spoof, but the blog will be > real. i just like imaging a bunch of poets typing holymerda. > > **if you are an academic lacky, don't take the "unedited" thing to > mean feel free to send me vita filler. > > bill allegrezza > > p.s. feel free to give me feedback on the idea. hopefully it > generates more excitement than the poetry wiki i created > (http://innovativeaudiences.pbworks.com/). that was lame. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:48:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Peter Subject: Dispensational collapse quartet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dispensational collapse quartet -- Peter Ciccariello http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ http://uncommonvision.blogspot.com/ http://poemsfromprovidence.blogspot.com/ http://uncommon-vision.blogspot.com/ *You can find my art and writing updates on Twitter @ciccariello* ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:08:24 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Alexander Subject: Re: What is Open? In-Reply-To: <287694.7034.qm@web111501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Also, I think Duncan and Olson thought the poem was not a "closed" =20 system, i.e. it was open to what is "not" the poem, so that a poem =20 didn't need to feel "finished" and set apart, so that one might think =20= of the field as encompassing more than the single poem, even more =20 than the single poet, a field of relations in which any single poem =20 is partial. I think Blaser touches on this in the quote Paul brings =20 forth here, about where the poem takes the reader, where it takes the =20= poet. I'm not quite so comfortable with "organic" only in that I'm =20 not sure how that might fit with the use of various procedures (a la =20 Mac Low), which I think can (but don't necessarily always) partake of =20= "open" poetry as well. "Organic" as I might understand it would apply =20= various sorts of natural progressions in the poem, and I don't think =20 that "natural" is the only way for the poem to move openly. But quite =20= possibly Blaser had no such sense of "organic" as I do. charles charles alexander chax press chax@theriver.com 411 N 7th ave, suite 103 tucson arizona 85705 520 620 1626 On May 29, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Paul Nelson wrote: > Open means allowing the poem to find its own track. Duncan > Catherine, > > Open means allowing the poem to find its own track. Duncan and =20 > Levertov used this language in the early 60's in their =20 > correspondence and differentiated Organic from Free Verse and =20 > certainly from Conventional poetry. You have to be open to let the =20 > poem find its way...open to the turns a poem wants to make for =20 > itself. A free verse poem like Howl is not entirely organic, =20 > because Allen had a sense of what he wanted to say about his =20 > friends and acquantences being fucked over by the Military-=20 > Industrial mentality and the industry-generated culture which =20 > maintains this force. > > Robin Blaser, rest his soul, in the introduction to The Holy Forest =20= > suggests:"The whole marvellous thing of open form is a traditional =20 > and an American problem...the sublime poem (tells) the narrative of =20= > the spirit...not simply to be led to a conclusion, but be taken by =20 > such a magical carmen perpetuum to all the image-nations of this =20 > remarkable, revivifying world. > > In my meetings with him in 2005 & 6 (documented here: http://=20 > www.goldenhandcuffsreview.com/gh9content/16.html) he was fine with =20 > calling it Open, Projective and Organic, as if the terms were =20 > interchangable. But I think Organic is more evocative of the =20 > cosmology of process, relationship and interdependence als =20 > Whitehead and the Hua Yen Buddhists. This is why I prefer it. > > Paul > > Paul E. Nelson > > Global Voices Radio > SPLAB! > American Sentences > Organic Poetry > Poetry Postcard Blog > > Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Catherine Daly > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:29:15 AM > Subject: Re: What is Open? > > Well, Mesey and Berg included Levertov's organic poetry essay in NAKED > poetry, but I see no reason open =3D organic > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Paul Nelson =20 > wrote: > >> Open is organic. >> >> >> The Organic poem is not the recor >> Catherine, >> >> Open is organic. >> >> >> The Organic poem is not the record of an event, it is an event, an >> occasion of experience, a map of the mind at work in the moment, ear >> measuring and mind mediating the crowd of outside voices/impulses and >> resonances erring on the side of entelechy for the individual and =20 >> polis >> and culture, in deep connection with dimensions larger than the >> pen-holder, enacting =96 not describing =96 the instant rather than =20= >> the act >> of thought about the instant. >> >> >> The Organic poem is allied with velocity and the duende beyond >> mere discourse and the function of symbology, imbued with a =20 >> luminousity >> that exists just beyond comprehension of the pen-holder, and ripples >> with the silver of a wave in the midnight of Harvest Moonlight, or =20= >> the >> white of alder-filtered September sunlight just beyond the foot of =20= >> the >> morning altar. >> >> >> It is the living apprehension of the underlying form as it >> spills out its testimony as only the moment can reveal, never >> completely contained in one poem except that poem which is the final >> result of a lifetime of an individual poet=92s never fully articulate >> striving, a chaotic murmur of soul re-directing self to Self in an >> alchemical conjunctio only antepasados fully comprehend. >> >> >> It is the practice divine of ear training, star to mind to >> hand to pen to blossoming, a harvesting of forces learned over years, >> decades, lifetimes of homage and refined, knows process as its own >> inherent reward in a systemless system which chooses recklessly those >> who would use speech (at once) at its least careless and least =20 >> logical, >> poet as time mechanic, not embalmer. >> >> >> The Organic poem is the mercy, mercy, mercy of the >> intersection of the vastness of outer space with the vastness of the >> space inside skull in complete candor, the ordinary mind in discovery >> of perceptions eternal in celebration of person (Universe is Person), >> not a stream of consciousness, more a coherent splendor, more a field >> of first permission to which one is allowed access more often than =20= >> one >> thinks. >> >> >> Paul >> >> Paul E. Nelson >> >> Global Voices Radio >> SPLAB! >> American Sentences >> Organic Poetry >> Poetry Postcard Blog >> >> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Catherine Daly >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:24:22 PM >> Subject: Re: Urgent Poetics Query --New: Call for Poetics =20 >> Contributors >> >> Richard's post, as well as my finding a first edition Naked Poetry >> anthology >> at the library book sale, made me think of a definition of what we =20= >> mean by >> "open poetry" "open poetics" and -- "open discussion". >> >> -- >> All best, >> Catherine Daly >> c.a.b.daly@gmail.com >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 >> guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 >> guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > > > --=20 > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly@gmail.com > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/=20 > welcome.html > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:32:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: Fear of Poetry/Poetry of Fear --Palfest 2009--Police, Army try shutting down Opening , Closing Nights MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *To Confront the Culture of Power with the Power of Culture--* Edward Said, quoted at Palfest09 after it became, thanks tothe Army and Ploice literaly and literally true-- I sent earlier this week a piece re Fear of Poetry, Poetry of Fear and Poetry FOR Fear--and Fear FOR Poetry-- as "fear of poetry " was at the origin of the long discussion that is most recently re what to do abt about lists/discussions-- I don't know if anyone else has been following it, but from 23 May to 28 has been the 2nd "Palfest"--Palestinian Festival of Literature. The festival is actually a touring one, beginning in Jerusalem and traveling to several different towns and communities before returning to Jerusalem for the Closing Night Events. Jerusalem was chosen because this year it is the rotating Arab Capital of Culture. Every year the Capital is in a different City and country-- Opening Night was set upon by Police and IOF soldiers; the French consulate volunteered their cultural spaces--so to speak- for the night and the Festival proceeded without a hitch. The final night--last night--the same thing occurred--the Army and some police appeared, a paper was nailed to a door--and the planned Theater site was made a Forbidden Zone. This time the British Consulate stepped in and provided the site for the Events. I've been posting a steady stream of the videos the Palfest Photo stream, and also many International reports on the events. (Ha'arretz has a lot f l inks at its site--and very good coverage--most of the reports i have found so far are Israeli and from various Arabic networks. (The only language i checked in so far is English--now on to more--) http://davidbaptistechirot.blogspot.com http://www.palfest.org/ The only mention so far found in the USA media is a tiny note today from USA today. Also haven been posting readings , interviews, articles, reviews of several contemporary Palestinian and Palestinian-American writers and performers and as ever music videos also.Esp of one of my favorite bands, Checkpoint 303--one of the most interesting and original electronic/sampling, unplugged acoustic, uses of recorded documentary sounds in streets and from literally old documentaries. bands around in their uses of sounds, mixes, ,live recordings and techno and "natural" instruments--across three countries and two continents-- Perhaps the "Fear of Poetry" is too evident in the attempted closing downs to be considered an "interesting enough" form of fear these days? On the other hand there is the Fear of reporting about these events and also,of discussing them,--in terms of the discussion here--to really discuss, rather than censoring or attacking-- because this is "not really to do with poetry." does that mean that it really cant be discussed at al in such a relation? or is that simply "yet another reason to rid oneself and language of the troubling obstacles to the purity of the language the tribe--" Or simply in the case of the "conflict," only one side is really permissible to think of and act on in the US. This fear is the one impressed on one in a culture and society which has developed a powerful denial of events in favor of words, and in this way interiorized self censorship regarding many issues, among them quite prominently the Israeli-Palestinian "conflict." To be rid of conflict means that there remain now " no opposing sides"--no contradictory language IT IS ONE it is won Of course it is not a fear or closing down only on the account of Poetry, but oon account and due to al aspects of a culture and people, because any acknowledgement of them is taken to be a criticism of the other side, when it may not be anything other than a simple statement of fact. Which is the most feared of all, these facts, because they do not agree with the discourse which has been created for these situations. In order to keep hidden the US and its Black President supporting an Apartheid Regime, the word "Apartheid" as much as possible must be attacked if mentioned, and the person--as Jimmy Carter found out--writing or saying the word is attacked personally, morally, aesthetically, in every way possible, so as to give an object lessons in what happens unless the repellent word is expunged not only form language, but from thought itself. This is basically the project that Orwell outlines in 1984 and its appendices on the development of Newspeak. The reduction of the lexicon that is permissible and remains in use though every day shrinking a bit, by bit----this reduction of vocabulary creates also a reduction in thinking, and especially thinking of any "critical" kind. Instead, one is trained to dutifully be unquestioning in the acceptance of whatever one is told, even if yesterday one was expected to believe the exact opposite. This "forgetting" via unquestioning belief erases memory also, so another critical faculty is expunged. Over the last couple years--and in this discussion, pronounced by Amy, the term "dumbing down" has become something that is being contended with in re poetics and poetry. Apparently the "dumbing down' is considered a natural casualty of adjustment to quite different times etc, and different technologies, and, ironically, "difficult poetries." (Perhaps the "dumbing down" makes the "difficult poems" much more prevalent and easier to not only create but also constructing itself as a discourse that does not even permit the thought that it is making itself ever more less capable of understanding the "difficult poem," which in itself is being turned into ever more gibberish, as no one really notices--and al that matter is that the "difficult poem" be preserved against the "attack of the dumbed down readers." Now why would an intellectual or a poet, as I read Charles Bernstein also speaking of "dumbing down" being something that the was accused of-and didn't seem to find so bad--, why wd a poet want to speak so casually of the fact that one must accept the dumbing down, as what one "gains from it," is at least for the nonce, more important. Perhaps for the simple reason of taking advantage a situation in order to be advantaged by it and so --making it the only existing "alternative"-- That is, the "dumbing down" of others makes ever more "evident" the difficulty of the poet's "difficult poems." Both the dumbed down and the poets themselves will see very clearly that the difficulty of difficult poems is a matter of a simple and natural occurrence,and fate, of some persons being less dumbed down than other, making them the ones capable of making and understanding the difficult poems so difficult that the vast run of humans may wel not arise to the levels of thought required to "understand" or "process" the difficult poem The debates over the lack of "critical, satiric or negative reviews of books of poetry," are in a sense a barking up the wrong tree. For if only those capable of reading difficult poetry are reading writing and reviewing it, how wds any one out side the circles of of difficult poets ever even know care or be interested if what they are reviewing is good bad or ugly-- The problem is, that after a certain point, the dumbing dow and expunging and erasing of vocabularies, meanings, references, allusions, creates the impossibility of the mind to recover or reverse engineer what it was was dumbed down from. Dumbing down, considered as a process of effects and aims on the "mental state and well being of individuals," iis not unlike the "we had to destroy the village to save it," deformation of thoughts and words that the Vietnam War-and every War-produces. The "fear of poetry" often discussed on this list as in a certain way at times being seen as a "positive sign of its difficulty"--is taken to be a fear of "poetic language" rather than perhaps motivated by class differences, cultural differences, political imperatives or simply that the elite practitioners need to feel that they are in possession of something"too difficult" for the great unwashed to grasp. Indeed, "difficult poetry" is felt to be its own sure sure guarantee of one's elite status in comparison to those weak and hopeless dullards who are the bards of al other poetries-- I wrote previously of many different reasons that a person might fear not poetry, but simply being asked questions that are being "noted down" and counted observed, polled and --what then--by these nosy and snooping individuals from perhaps a secret undercover govt agency?-- This age of Security ,wire tapping, email decoding,library card watching and checking, the time of the monitoring of the destinations one not only flies but drives to-walks to--the stores and public restrooms frequented--in an age like this what is really needed i is not Security on the part of the State, but of the interiorization of the behaviours habits, thoughts and words of the Security States directives and recommendations of "dumbing down" and also of the "attack of the difficult poems"--as a reminder to each particular group of its positioning in the hierarchies of the society vis a vis one another. The Thought Police, the Brain Police--especially now that the Obama Administration is essaying to introduce into US Law the concept that one may "detain indefinitely" a person who MAY IN THE FUTURE THINK OF COMMITTING A CRIME--OR EVEN COMMIT IT. To arrest someone because they have the possibility someday of doing such and such--is a truly disturbing form of instilling fear, because one will have to be ever more carefully monitored by ONESELF--trying to desperately to control and prevent one's inward thoughts and their outward expressions."happening" or "behaving"in any way remotely suggestive of a future criminality- The self censuring citizen will need no censor from above or outside itself, as everything will be censored before leaving the consciousness of the citizen involved.To continually fear not what has happened and being caught, for it, or what is happening and being caught, but to not caught,not charged, not accused, but simply "detained indefinitely" for something one has never done--simply so that one may in fact NEVER DO IT-- basically delivering one over to the authorities via breakdown and the overwhelming sense of guilt----like Winston Smith's in 1984--guilt not for something in the past as Freudian psychology and religions would have one be wary of--but of something which one does not have any idea of which others think one is be capable of doing in the future--so capable that it is better that one is detained indefinitely-- (Why not lock everyone u after being born and nursed long enough to make the transfer to the life time cell-- in a sense this is what a good part of Earth's billions are bron into--not to mention the imnese prison of Gaza--where one is guilty for being Palestinian--because of course one day you wil be a terrorist--if not already being one at a few weeks old-- Is this not what "Homeland Security" is really about? Securing language and minds so that "seldom is heard a discouraging word and the skies are not cloudy al day." Home Homeland on the Range!-- The "fear of Poetry " then is actually cherished by an elite as it designates them as above such toxic situations, and thinking themselves immune, they do not notice that in fact they are among the traffic cops directing the flow of persons thoughts words al into one direction, the one that knows it is "Home Wa/ord Bound"--bound and gagged-- Instead of Fear of Poetry what one is manufacturing is the Poetry of Fear and the Poetry For Fear. A Poetics can be seen as an "attacking entity" like a virus, or parasite as it seeks to attach itself to the body of the subject, and from there to work the way INWO/ARDS--and to create as it travels a wake behind it in which everything previously present "vanishes amid the white froth--" a present absentee- - is now become what it needs to be to fullfll its destiny (as the Israeli reporters are trained to write and speak of a Palestinian killed by the IOF--"they met, or walked into, their destiny"--which came about naturally , and via Kismet, rather than by any human agency which might be forced to take respsonsibality some day. And because one is not supposed to acknowledge that this is happening, , these events, this closing of poetry festivals, Apartheid Walls, denial of 700 students in Gaza to attend the schools and universities including in the us that they have fellowships and grants for--o because of the immense and immensely contradictory, surreal and horrifying gaps between words and things, words and events, words and peoples,--one is ever more constrained to interiorize the imperatives of the society and culture to "remain silent," or to learn, like Winston Smith that Peace is War, 2 +2=5 that is--that loving Big brother one now understands that seeming Opposites are equal, thus ruling out the possibility of the previous elements of the equation ever having existed-- one learns the ineffable joys of denying that one knew ever existed an alternative , or that one ever thought even thought and so, eventually one cannot recall at all what it was that one forgot-- the complete expunging of those irksome questionings doubts, those impure words ideas and actions which are the obstacles between one and Big Brother-- and demonstrating this ineffable joy in the Truth by joining in the attacking bray as loudly and long as one can ,along with the ever more numerous and exactly like minded right thinking crowd, for the longer and more loudly the Big Lie is repeated, the more solid and real and unquestionable is its Truith-- Take for example Frank Geary-designed Simon Wiesenthal Museum of Tolerance in Israel-- which tolerates not a single shred of a thread that would give any evidence that the Palestinians ever existed right there for centuries., and continue to exist right outside the building. The Museum of Tolerance however is a proof that, as Golda Meier said, "There never was such aa thing as a Palestinian." The attempts to close down the Palfest 2009 is perfectly consistent with these attempts to make --"never existing"--be the state of anything Palestinian.. In fact, the Palestinians living inside Israel--who are steadily having al their rights taken away-- are called "present absentees." This is a remarkable phrase--truly a poetic one-- In that a person who is a present absentee--is a reverse refugee, a reverse engineered ghost from the future-- To be an absentee who is "present'__wel isn't that the way that soldiers and prisoners are "hailed" as the man said.' "present," "absent"-- already the prison routine has set in for these beings present awaiting their absentee status to be fulfilled. of course al humans as transient beings on earth are "present absentees" from the point of view of Death-- the efficacy of the phrase is to designate specific persons as already dead-- and being present only by being absentees-- whose time has not yet quite come- don't you see -- like the Indians of the Americas- are very much in the way-- and so their presence needs to be absented as they walk out one day and "meet their destiny" which comes not due to the rocket that kills them and 14 others, but was simply the action of their personal private Kismet-- If one examines the current situations in the US and Israel, and everywhere where the things which words --via difficult poetry--no longer refer to or have any repsonability for-- is it not so that in order to believe in them unquestioningly , one must treat language itself not as a present absentee-- but as an absent present-- a "not there" meaning a never was there-- which however the Govt State sees as "not yet there" whose "indefinite detention" is an effort to ensure--Securely-- that the not yet there never wil be so that the absent present functions even more smoothly than does the present absentee-- and so even in the future--the past and p[resent never were there-are there-and this means that it wilnever happen there never wi be any change from this Steady State of Equilibrium of the Law of Entropy--the Second law of Thermodynamics--again, donning an sense of rationality and normality and happening as though completely "naturally" --so that it never is a there--and no, there never was such a thing--nor wi thever be-- and so like Klaus Kinski's completely Mad Conquistador Arch Fiend of the Most Great Treaons-- Don Lope de Aguirre "The Wrath of God"-- in Werner Herzog's film, --the present has dropped away like al the dead aboard Aguirre's disintegrating raft overrun b small monkeys and in its place is that "difficult poetry " of making absent reality and --creating not an ambiguity of appearance but instead a complete splitting between the appearances and language, appearnces and things, persons-- a splitting in which it is "obvious" that one, in order to believe in the Big Lie now TRUTH which one of Aguirre's men struggles with--a boat in a tree indicating not there is ahaluciontation but instead that there is the new meaning of t"that is not a shoip, that is not a tree, --"the seeing of a doubled world now split asunder and collapsing into that empty space in which al things rare a smooth opacity, a surface of appearances from which never is heard a discouraging word and the skies are not cloudy all day-- a discouraging word is seldom heard and the skies are not cloudy al day-- the search for that perfect El Dorado-- made possible by Mallarme's "purifying of the language of the tribe" which may be taken to mean also by some wags as the purifying of the tribe from language-- hurling any contradictory being thing object word name into that ayss in which there never was such a thing as a Palestinian, in which 2+ 2=5 and in which the US Black President is a supporter of Apartheid. In the forced denial of reality --the Museum of Tolerance and its non present present absentees, who are treated as not even ever having been present let alone absent--that is, they never existed, such things-- in there, the ridding oneself of the contradictions of language creates poetry not difficult but one in which difficulty or ease are no longer questions-- al that is left now is that self same appearing of oneself to oneself as oneself purified in language and tribe into that ultimate trasncendence of the fusion of oneself with Big Brother-- the final closing down of the being of being-and the birth of the empty vessel of the new conceptualsm , which gives i the empty vessel tasks to perform-- copying to be done-- data to be moved about--filed-- and so-- dreaming that absent present is this hallucinatory Virtuality of detached things , detached words sheltering in the Difficult Poem and Museums of Tolerance-- where seldom is heard a discouraging word and the skies are not cloudy all day ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:11:36 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: 6 poets on A SHORT POEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Al Filreis is head of the Kelly Writers House at the University of Pennsylvania (more on Al here: http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis) He invited 6 of us to come and talk to a group of students about a short poem, we each had 18 minutes to make our case. Here's the link, video and/or audio: http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Six-Poets-Teach.html HOPE YOU ENJOY, CAConrad advancedELVIS.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:16:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: check out issue #3! Comments: To: Theory and Writing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.midribpoetry.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html