To: sara@sldesigns.com (Sara Rabold) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:57:14 -0500 (EST) Cc: 88v@dept.english.upenn.edu Sender: owner-88v@dept.english.upenn.edu Precedence: bulk | question 2... | I think beat language, or rather, the thinking process behind the beat | language is natural. The beat poets don't restrain themselves to a | strict form, instead they let the words and the ideas flow | naturally--stream of consciousness. What is more natural than a person's | thought processes? Ginsberg's "Howl" seems to represent every thought in | his mind at the moment he wrote the poem. He writes down his thoughts as | they come to him, not worrying about rhyme, rhythm, or poetic structure. | He uses everyday language that the common man would use in a | conversation. | Some deconstructions of the natural: 1. Isn't the natural style a style like any other style. There's the surrealist style which we immediately recognize as a style. There's the sonneteer's or ballad-maker's style which we immediatley recognize as a style. Then the Beats come along and use the natural style, but we don't we see it as a style, a stylistic construction, a conscious choice of a medium, just as we see the others as such? There's no such thing as a styleless style. 2. There's a difference between improvising improvisation (on one hand) and planning an improvisation on another. Kerouac wrote manifestos guiding him and other beats as they prepared to improvised; then, following these rules for improvisation, they improvised. Doesn't that suggest to you that improvisation is a consciously constructed style like any other? 3. Thought processes are not already in words. Sure, beats tried to capture thought processes in words, but once they applied words they applied something less improvisational than pure improvisation. There's no pure stream that flows from the mind directly into words. The application of words to thoughts requires thought. 4. It's true that you can *not* worry about rhyme and poetic structure, but it's also true that you can worry about not worrying about it. Ginsberg does the latter: his poems, which are carefully free-Whitmanian, are examples of worrying a lot about not worrying about poetic form. Ginsberg's revisions to the text of "Howl" at least prove that he went back over his writing and worried about making sure that the poems seemed not to worry about form. 5. In a brilliant essay by Susan Sontag called "On Style," she wrote: "[T]he visibility of styles is itself a product of historical consciousness.... The very notion of "style" needs to be approached historically. Awareness of style as a problematic and isolable element in a work of art has emerged in the audience for art only at certain historical moments--as a front behind which other issues, ultimately ethical and political, are being debated." --Al