To: forgachf@sas.upenn.edu (Francesca Forgach) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:56:50 -0500 (EST) Cc: 88v@dept.english.upenn.edu Sender: owner-88v@dept.english.upenn.edu Precedence: bulk 88'ers: G'morning on this (at least here) bright and sunny cold November Sunday. Francesca wrote: | It is just that language, as was mentioned before, is a medium no matter | how it is taken. If there's one theoretical lesson from this course that's a key to much else in the course, it's this: language is (or is thought to be by moderns and postmoderns both) a constructed medium; language is never not there (in a poem); language is never transparent, much as some poets attempt to create a transparency of it; it is never the thing it is describing or the thought it is conveying; it is something unto itself (or an extra element in the world) and it always, to some degree, more or less, obscures the referent, the thing to which its words point (the thing or idea being conveyed). The key lesson of modern and postmodern poetry is that so much depends upon is the medium for understanding (and being honest about conveying) the red wheel barrow etc. Williams is sure to include a sign (to us) of his acceptance of the poem as a piece of language--as *not* the thing itself but words about the thing. That's why he is sure to include "so much depends / upon." It's a signal that he knows langauge is not natural. He would not dare to present the red wheelbarrow, rain water and white chickens as if they were in the poem--as if they poem were them, not "about" them. There are moments when--ignoring Williams and following Whitman directly--the Beats felt that what they were producing was as natural as the things of the world that they ecstatically cruised. "Howl" is, at many moments, the red wheelbarrow without so much depends upon --only far more expansive, extensive, inclusive and non-selective than Williams's one thing, the focused-upon single image. --Al