Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:49:35 -0500 (EST) 'DO THINGS THAT MATTER WHEN PURCHASING ORANGES': political poetry, the avant-garde, and the possible return of the subject ---------------------------------- 88'ers: Francesca and Shawn had an exchange about Brian Kim Stefans' poem "Storm Fields" and it caused Shawn to raise an issue about what kind of political poems can be written following the writing experiments that encourage linguistic "disruption" as a form of social opposition. I think this exchange is really important and see here I reprise it a little. Also since Brian Kim Stefans will be on hand for our webcast tomorrow night, it might help us focus some questions for Brian. (I'm also taking a chance that we're imposing on Brian and am sending him a copy of this message. [Brian: I know you're getting this message way out of context but perhaps you will pick up on what we in our class are wrestling with.]) Responding to Francesca's take on "Storm Fields" Shawn made a start on interpreting that poem. First she wrote a little preamble: Stefans' language is difficult, but it is not impossible, and it doesn't quite give you sentences to finish in the same way that Perelman's poem does. If we all take a line, similar to the way we did with Ashbery in the webcast, I'm sure we can work through it. I'll start off... Then she began to 'read' the poem, this way: "Blowzy" with age: sounds like "drowsy" sounds like "blowing it" "Matta Fact": personification of matter of fact "contemplated testicular / violence": thought about castrating himself, or thought about the violence his testicles caused Then Shawn generalized about the tone of the beginning (following my earlier attempt at characterizing the tone): This is a pretty depressing beginning. Facts have become so useless (perhaps because they can be manipulated to serve anyone's ends), that they may as well not exist. Some of you might have other readings. [By the way, "festoons of frankness / had ways" reminds me of Ashbery in his uncharacteristically political poem "Hard Times." Remember that that poem raised problems of experiment and accommodation: it ended with the American Dream narrative of people westering to California where the spent the rest of their days explaining why they were so well settled.] Francesca had responded in her message to my request for 88'ers to say where Brian Kim Stefans' poem stands on the accommodation/opposition scale. Francesca wasn't sure what I meant, quite, and asked: ps. accomodating to what exactly? This may be an obvious question, but I ask it anyhow.... Shawn really got going on this one, using her response to Francesca's question about "accommodation" in poetry to complicate any discussion about the politics of contemporary avant-garde poetry. Read Shawn's remarks slowly and carefully, trying hard to follow what she's saying about the political effectiveness of THE NEW POETIC AVANT-GARDE now 25 years after those first dramatic, even shocking linguistic disruptions took place. For instance, does the relation between traditional narration and status-quo capitalism, which led to poets from O'Hara to Bernstein to create anti- and non-narrative poems, still need to cause us worry? Does narration still mean submitting to social authority and control? What's so perfect, for me, about what Shawn wrote here is that it comes right back to Brian Kim Stefans' poem--to the idea that we should do things that matter when purchasing oranges Here's what Shawn wrote: | This is a great question, Francesca. A lot of it has to do with the idea | of poetry as opposition. The gestures we're reading in language poetry | are oppositional gestures, refusals to participate in the creation of a | well-crafted "product." These are, in some ways, attempts to disrupt the | status quo, to disrupt the inevitable equation of capitalism (the | Narrative will go on, regardless of who it goes over.) | | But now, a quarter century later, it seems that such language disruptions | perhaps don't easily lead to an overthrow of the government and the | establishment of a society based on different (better?) rules. So we have | all this language-play-disruption left over (along with the *very | important* changes it's made in our literary consciousness), and what is | there to do with it? | | 1) Write more and more ineffectual "disruptive" poems. or | 2) Do things that matter. | | But doing things that matter requires a return to some sort of idea of a | subject which is a sort of hero on a daily basis. But didn't we | effectively leave that behind? Where do we recover a sense of effective | responsibility if we can't locate a self that is responsible? Here, then--again--is Brian's poem. After all this about political poetry, I ask all 88'ers this question: does the final line - "Nobody talks of development, anymore" - take on any special political meaning to anyone? What about the "polaroid / as a cheap thrill in Hoboken"? Okay, the poem again: Blowzy with age, Matta Fact contemplated testicular violence; festoons of frankness had ways. Pale as seeds, going gone laughter on the chill chance of recovery, stuck in the effigy, instilled more confidence in hype. Ape a penny, do things that matter when purchasing oranges (hot or cold), lacquered tribute. Connecticut as Kearny, polaroid as a cheap thrill in Hoboken. Nobody talks of development, anymore. --Al