Reading a magazine that I have not yet seen, Tom Fink
notes the containment strategy often imposed by conservative poets with regards
first to langpo & then more broadly to the entire post-avant tradition.
Dear Ron,
When
I got a contributor's copy of the Winter 2002 issue of
Barrow Street, an eclectic
If
we slightly correct Gioseffi and see Ashbery as a synecdoche for the New York
School, Bernstein for the Language Poets – and such synecdoches repress much
difference within those non-schools – and Graham for the recent Iowa Writer's
Workshop trend to fuse mainstream and experimental poetic practices, then
perhaps these 3 "tendencies," combined, may account for half of
what's published in the poetry presses and magazines and e-zines.
But the word "dominate" implies a lot more than half; it demonstrates
the angst that you noticed in Edward Hirsch's claim that there were "too
many" poetic experimentalists: 10,000 practitioners.
Gioseffi
doesn't know or ignores that Language Poets are overtly political. Perhaps
"difficulty" makes her use the label "solipsistic" (without
conscience? apolitical?). Has she encountered the "Language" argument
that the illusion of unmediated communication in "easy" poetry is
itself an ideological construct in need of politicized demystification? Poetry
educators like Juliana Spahr can and do talk with the "average
reader" about politically progressive poetry that disrupts complacent
expectations of transparent mimesis, but have her mainstream sources told her
this? (Also, to read Ashbery as solipsistic is to miss a kind of Bakhtinian dialogism, a carnival where one can read social
conflict into his poems' heteroglossia.)
To Pinsky's
credit, he doesn't quite take Gioseffi's cues. First sounding like a serene,
tolerant pluralist who will admit star experimentalists into his pantheon, he
then exposes his biases:
As you have said, in
every kind [of poetry], some is good and some is bad. In relation to your
concern with social and political materials, it is true that the more cerebral,
self-referential or linguistically complicated the writing is, the safer or
more armored it is. For lesser writers than those you name, an avant-garde
surface is protection from the difficulties and embarrassments of subject
matter. Language poetry of that kind is safe; it cannot sprawl because it holds
its pose behind a protective wall of texture. Abstraction and opacity can be
places to hide from the difficulty or passion of the world or oneself. But what
about examples like Paul Celan – a great writer who is very difficult, often
opaque, and a great writer of the social and political tragedy of modern
Pinsky's concluding question is
very good, but Gioseffi parries it by going on to an unrelated question. When
Pinsky signifies on the usual safe/dangerous binary by making safe literary
forms/modes seem dangerous, some will find it clever. But the implication that
linguistic complexity is an evasion of psychologically difficult confession
("embarrassments") about the self's imperfections and its most
difficult emotions or an evasion of the difficulty of making a determinate
political judgment implies that the tasks being "evaded" are the "true"
tasks of poetry. What if confessional poetry a la Lowell or Sexton is seen as
just plain self-indulgent? What if a poet doesn't want to ignore the
complexities of political theory and praxis and thus refrains from making
"sound-byte" political judgments. The trope of "sprawling"
suggests that LangPo is "uptight," ignoring
how funny it often is, whereas poetry with clearly packaged
"personality" is more relaxed. What if the poetry of "subject
matter" that he implicitly valorizes is a protection against a more
difficult subject matter: relations between areas of linguistic
"experience" that are not immediately recognizable, that do not
easily fit together but have metonymic contact in the multiplicity of the
social spaces that people experience as their daily lives? Pinsky may see in a
Bernstein or an Ashbery that even when language itself is the subject matter, a
large part of the interest in such writing is investigation of the social
functioning of words, but he will not allow that framing assumption to be in
place when he reads "lesser writers" that he considers part of the
Language group. Near the end of the interview, Gioseffi weighs in once more on
the poetry she finds apolitical, this time differentiating between the LangPos and the
The language school of
poetry seems to be about art for art's sake; and the abstract or action poetry
schools, or the
Does action poetry=action
painting? Does she link the visual
All
Best,
Tom