Robert Grenier and Stephen Ratcliffe In Conversation

1. the open-ended imagination of time in the Cratylus as fictional encounter (6:10): MP3
2. possibility of accord between language and the world via shared/'abstract' acoustic and visual patternings (10:38): MP3
3. RG reading "THAT ONE COYOTE AIEE AIEEE WEIRD EH?" (1:04): MP3
4. predominance of numerical balance and visual/acoustic rhyme structuring drawing poems (7:05): MP3
5. on lettering struggling to imitate coyote sound, then reimagining/performing same via structural relations among elements of language (13:05): MP3
6. SR reading passage about "divine wandering" from the Cratylus (3:17): MP3
7. time and duration in writing as a kind of "divine wandering" (1:57): MP3
8. RG quotes (with approval) Socrates' observation that slight permutations in lettering may effect great changes in meanings of words (1:13): MP3
9. speculation that 'true' naming may be less matter of imitating nature than exploration of formal values in the language itself (3:22): MP3
10. discussing "VT NOV EMBER WOODS," visual symmetry, letters taking on a life of their own, and context of poem (17:03): MP3
11. R.H. Blyth's Haiku as distant/formative influence on RG's drawing poem project (6:30): MP3
12. discussing "RAIN RAINING RAIN RAINING RAIN RAIN," sensing what's going on around one as 'enough', and transforming relations between 'real' words and things in process of writing (16:17): MP3
13. further marveling that naming seems to 'work', not by imitation, but through 'magical' capacities of purely formal properties of language (5:06): MP3
14. SR reads concluding passage of the Cratylus (1:28): MP3

THAT   AIEE    
 ONE AIEEE   
COY  WEIRD 
OTE EH?    

VT
NOV
EMBER
WOODS

RAIN RAIN
RAIN ING 
 ING RAIN
RAIN RAIN